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  Linux provides software to study the Bible, out of the box CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-04-15 19:57 -0400
    Re: Linux provides software to study the Bible, out of the box rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-16 01:05 +0000
      Re: Linux provides software to study the Bible, out of the box CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-04-15 21:15 -0400
        Re: Linux provides software to study the Bible, out of the box rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-16 06:00 +0000
          Re: Linux provides software to study the Bible, out of the box vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-04-16 11:05 +0000
            Re: Linux provides software to study the Bible, out of the box rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-16 18:24 +0000
              Re: Linux provides software to study the Bible, out of the box vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-04-16 22:13 +0000
                Re: Linux provides software to study the Bible, out of the box rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-16 23:41 +0000
                  Re: Linux provides software to study the Bible, out of the box CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-04-16 19:48 -0400
                    Re: Linux provides software to study the Bible, out of the box snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2025-04-17 01:06 +0100
                      Re: Linux provides software to study the Bible, out of the box CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-04-17 08:44 -0400
                    Re: Linux provides software to study the Bible, out of the box rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-17 04:13 +0000
                      Re: Linux provides software to study the Bible, out of the box CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-04-17 08:49 -0400
                        Re: Linux provides software to study the Bible, out of the box Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-04-17 13:58 +0000
                          Re: Linux provides software to study the Bible, out of the box CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-04-17 10:11 -0400
                          Re: Linux provides software to study the Bible, out of the box rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-17 23:25 +0000
          Re: Linux provides software to study the Bible, out of the box vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-04-16 11:09 +0000
            Re: Linux provides software to study the Bible, out of the box vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-04-17 11:35 +0000
              Re: Linux provides software to study the Bible, out of the box rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-17 14:21 +0000
              Re: Linux provides software to study the Bible, out of the box % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2025-04-17 08:13 -0700
                Re: Linux provides software to study the Bible, out of the box rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-17 23:28 +0000
          Re: Linux provides software to study the Bible, out of the box CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-04-16 08:50 -0400
            Re: Linux provides software to study the Bible, out of the box RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-04-17 08:19 +0000
              Re: Linux provides software to study the Bible, out of the box CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-04-17 08:57 -0400
        Re: Linux provides software to study the Bible, out of the box RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-04-16 12:50 +0000
          Re: Linux provides software to study the Bible, out of the box CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-04-16 09:03 -0400
            Re: Linux provides software to study the Bible, out of the box snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2025-04-16 14:55 +0100
              Re: Linux provides software to study the Bible, out of the box CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-04-16 10:07 -0400
            Re: Linux provides software to study the Bible, out of the box rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-16 19:01 +0000
              Re: Linux provides software to study the Bible, out of the box Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> - 2025-04-16 21:14 +0000
                Re: Linux provides software to study the Bible, out of the box vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-04-16 22:19 +0000
            Re: Linux provides software to study the Bible, out of the box RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-04-17 08:50 +0000
              Re: Linux provides software to study the Bible, out of the box CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-04-17 09:00 -0400
                Re: Linux provides software to study the Bible, out of the box Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-04-17 13:56 +0000
                  Re: Linux provides software to study the Bible, out of the box CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-04-17 10:08 -0400
                    Re: Linux provides software to study the Bible, out of the box RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-04-18 00:11 +0000
                  Re: Linux provides software to study the Bible, out of the box rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-17 23:19 +0000
                    Re: Linux provides software to study the Bible, out of the box Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-04-18 20:50 +0000
                      Re: Linux provides software to study the Bible, out of the box RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-04-18 21:20 +0000
                      Re: Linux provides software to study the Bible, out of the box rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-19 00:24 +0000
                  Re: Linux provides software to study the Bible, out of the box RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-04-18 00:05 +0000
                Re: Linux provides software to study the Bible, out of the box rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-17 14:30 +0000
                  Re: Linux provides software to study the Bible, out of the box CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-04-17 12:20 -0400
                    Re: Linux provides software to study the Bible, out of the box Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> - 2025-04-17 19:17 +0000
                    Re: Linux provides software to study the Bible, out of the box rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-18 00:11 +0000
                Re: Linux provides software to study the Bible, out of the box RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-04-17 23:37 +0000
          Re: Linux provides software to study the Bible, out of the box rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-16 18:42 +0000
            Re: Linux provides software to study the Bible, out of the box RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-04-17 09:02 +0000
              Re: Linux provides software to study the Bible, out of the box rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-17 14:16 +0000
                Re: Linux provides software to study the Bible, out of the box RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-04-18 00:15 +0000
    Re: Linux provides software to study the Bible, out of the box Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-04-16 22:10 -0400
    Re: Linux provides software to study the Bible, out of the box Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-04-17 19:26 +0000
      Re: Linux provides software to study the Bible, out of the box CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-04-17 17:36 -0400
    Re: Linux provides software to study the Bible, out of the box Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-04-18 20:54 -0400

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#689003 — Linux provides software to study the Bible, out of the box

I know that it probably won't interest most people, but I thought that 
was pretty cool. Knowing that a distribution provides not only the Bible 
but notes to help you study the content is neat. Maybe if our resident 
homosexual gets acquainted with it, he will have a chance of avoiding Hell.

-- 
God be with you,

CrudeSausage
John 14:6

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#689008

On Tue, 15 Apr 2025 19:57:01 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:

> I know that it probably won't interest most people, but I thought that
> was pretty cool. Knowing that a distribution provides not only the Bible
> but notes to help you study the content is neat. Maybe if our resident
> homosexual gets acquainted with it, he will have a chance of avoiding
> Hell.

Are you talking about UbuntuCE?  If you're looking for enlightenment out 
of the box:

https://www.bodhilinux.com/

Bodhi Linux appears to be more of a minimalist philosophical statement 
rather than any specific Buddhist content. 

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#689011

On 4/15/25 21:05, rbowman wrote:
> On Tue, 15 Apr 2025 19:57:01 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
> 
>> I know that it probably won't interest most people, but I thought that
>> was pretty cool. Knowing that a distribution provides not only the Bible
>> but notes to help you study the content is neat. Maybe if our resident
>> homosexual gets acquainted with it, he will have a chance of avoiding
>> Hell.
> 
> Are you talking about UbuntuCE?  If you're looking for enlightenment out
> of the box:
> 
> https://www.bodhilinux.com/
> 
> Bodhi Linux appears to be more of a minimalist philosophical statement
> rather than any specific Buddhist content.

Actually, I was referring to Xiphos which allows you to download your 
choice of Bible version from within the software.

-- 
God be with you,

CrudeSausage
LibreOffice supporter
John 14:6

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#689017

On Tue, 15 Apr 2025 21:15:23 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:

> On 4/15/25 21:05, rbowman wrote:
>> On Tue, 15 Apr 2025 19:57:01 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
>> 
>>> I know that it probably won't interest most people, but I thought that
>>> was pretty cool. Knowing that a distribution provides not only the
>>> Bible but notes to help you study the content is neat. Maybe if our
>>> resident homosexual gets acquainted with it, he will have a chance of
>>> avoiding Hell.
>> 
>> Are you talking about UbuntuCE?  If you're looking for enlightenment
>> out of the box:
>> 
>> https://www.bodhilinux.com/
>> 
>> Bodhi Linux appears to be more of a minimalist philosophical statement
>> rather than any specific Buddhist content.
> 
> Actually, I was referring to Xiphos which allows you to download your
> choice of Bible version from within the software.

UbuntuCE does include Xiphos but it is a third party application that is 
also available for Windows and Unix. I'm not sure about MacOS. Other than 
UbuntuCE it isn't included in any distribution 'out of the box'. That's 
like saying Linux provides 'John the Ripper'.  That also runs on Linux, 
Windows, and other OSs. As far as 'out of the box', iirc you have to 
select one of the packages even in Kali.

Other than the CE build, not out of the box on Ubuntu. You have to add a 
PPA since some of the prerequisites aren't in the standard Ubuntu 
packages.

https://launchpad.net/~pkgcrosswire/+archive/ubuntu/ppa


"One does well to put on gloves when reading the New Testament. The 
proximity of so much uncleanliness almost forces one to do this."

Friedrich Nietzsche

As far as the Old Testament, Marcion had the right idea. No reason to be 
concerned with the Jews and their genocidal tribal god. New day, new 
covenant. 

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#689019

On 16 Apr 2025 06:00:58 GMT, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote in
<m68vcpFn125U1@mid.individual.net>:

> On Tue, 15 Apr 2025 21:15:23 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
> 
>> On 4/15/25 21:05, rbowman wrote:
>>> On Tue, 15 Apr 2025 19:57:01 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I know that it probably won't interest most people, but I thought
>>>> that was pretty cool. Knowing that a distribution provides not only
>>>> the Bible but notes to help you study the content is neat. Maybe if
>>>> our resident homosexual gets acquainted with it, he will have a
>>>> chance of avoiding Hell.
>>> 
>>> Are you talking about UbuntuCE?  If you're looking for enlightenment
>>> out of the box:
>>> 
>>> https://www.bodhilinux.com/
>>> 
>>> Bodhi Linux appears to be more of a minimalist philosophical statement
>>> rather than any specific Buddhist content.
>> 
>> Actually, I was referring to Xiphos which allows you to download your
>> choice of Bible version from within the software.
> 
> UbuntuCE does include Xiphos but it is a third party application that is
> also available for Windows and Unix. I'm not sure about MacOS. Other
> than UbuntuCE it isn't included in any distribution 'out of the box'.
> That's like saying Linux provides 'John the Ripper'.  That also runs on
> Linux, Windows, and other OSs. As far as 'out of the box', iirc you have
> to select one of the packages even in Kali.
> 
> Other than the CE build, not out of the box on Ubuntu. You have to add a
> PPA since some of the prerequisites aren't in the standard Ubuntu
> packages.
> 
> https://launchpad.net/~pkgcrosswire/+archive/ubuntu/ppa
> 
> 
> "One does well to put on gloves when reading the New Testament. The
> proximity of so much uncleanliness almost forces one to do this."
> 
> Friedrich Nietzsche
> 
> As far as the Old Testament, Marcion had the right idea. No reason to be
> concerned with the Jews and their genocidal tribal god. New day, new
> covenant.

Ubuntu (and derivatives) have the classic package "bible-kjv", which
gives you a bible(1) command:

$ bible
bible: Debian/BRS Release 4.36
Hit '?' for help.

Genesis 1

  1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
bible(KJV) [Gen1:1]> ??light
  Searching for 'light'... [235 refs]
bible(KJV) [Gen1:1]> ?and darkness
  Searching for 'darkness'... [142 refs]
  [55 refs in combined list]
bible(KJV) [Gen1:1]> ?list
  References [55]:  Gen1:4 Gen1:5 Gen1:18 Ex14:20 Job3:4 Job10:22 Job12:22
Job17:12 Job18:18 Job29:3 Job30:26 Job38:19 Ps18:28 Ps112:4 Ps139:11 Ps139:12
Ec2:13 Is5:20 Is5:30 Is9:2 Is42:16 Is45:7 Is50:10 Is58:10 Is59:9 Je13:16 Lam3:2
Da2:22 Am5:18 Am5:20 Mi7:8 Mt4:16 Mt6:23 Mt10:27 Lu1:79 Lu11:34 Lu11:35 Lu12:3
Jn1:5 Jn3:19 Jn8:12 Jn12:35 Jn12:46 Ac26:18 Ro2:19 Ro13:12 1Co4:5 2Co4:6
2Co6:14 Ep5:8 1Th5:5 1Pe2:9 1Jn1:5 1Jn2:8 1Jn2:9
bible(KJV) [Gen1:1]> mt6:22-23

Matthew 6

  22 The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy
whole body shall be full of light.
  23 But if thine eye be evil, thy whole body shall be full of darkness. If
therefore the light that is in thee be darkness, how great is that darkness!
bible(KJV) [Mt6:23]> 
 _ _ _ _ _ _ _

But https://biblegateway.com is better, with quite a few translations.
bible(1) is just easier for quick quotes for c/p.

-- 
-v System76 Thelio Mega v1.1 x86_64 NVIDIA RTX 3090 Ti
   OS: Linux 6.14.2 Release: Mint 22.1 Mem: 258G
   ""Ummm, Trouble with grammar have I! Yes!" -Yoda-"

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#689039

On 16 Apr 2025 11:05:06 GMT, vallor wrote:

> Ubuntu (and derivatives) have the classic package "bible-kjv", which
> gives you a bible(1) command:

~$ bible
Command 'bible' not found, but can be installed with:
sudo apt install bible-kjv


It's not in the default install nor is it anything special to Linux. I 
have

amazon.com/Modern-Liturgy-Hours-2025-Contemporary-ebook/dp/B0DM94P5QF

on my Kindle. That certainly doesn't imply any special relationship of 
Amazon or Kindle to Christianity.

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#689044

On 16 Apr 2025 18:24:03 GMT, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote in
<m6aau2Ftqq0U1@mid.individual.net>:

> On 16 Apr 2025 11:05:06 GMT, vallor wrote:
> 
>> Ubuntu (and derivatives) have the classic package "bible-kjv", which
>> gives you a bible(1) command:
> 
> ~$ bible
> Command 'bible' not found, but can be installed with:
> sudo apt install bible-kjv
> 
> 
> It's not in the default install nor is it anything special to Linux.

I didn't say either, I meant it was in the repos for easy installation.
You can also get the raw text, as well as the concordance-creating tools,
 with "apt source bible-kjv".  The Bible text looks like the following:

$ head -3 bible.rawtext
Holy Bible, Authorized (King James) Version.  Textfile 930105.
Ge1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
Ge1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the 
face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

However, I saw in another post that you don't prefer the kjv, so I guess
this won't be much use to you.

> I 
> have
> 
> amazon.com/Modern-Liturgy-Hours-2025-Contemporary-ebook/dp/B0DM94P5QF
> 
> on my Kindle. That certainly doesn't imply any special relationship of 
> Amazon or Kindle to Christianity.

I didn't think there was such a relationship with Ubuntu, just pointing
out that you can get a helpful tool from the default repos.

(However, one might consider that the gift culture of the "spirit
of Ubuntu" could be compared to the early Christian communities.)

-- 
-v System76 Thelio Mega v1.1 x86_64 NVIDIA RTX 3090 Ti
   OS: Linux 6.14.2 Release: Mint 22.1 Mem: 258G
   "Artificial Intelligence is no match for natural stupidity."

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#689051

On 16 Apr 2025 22:13:59 GMT, vallor wrote:


> However, I saw in another post that you don't prefer the kjv, so I guess
> this won't be much use to you.

I'm not a fan of James VI and I, and the fruit of the poisoned tree. James 
and Robert Bellarmine SJ had a pre-usenet heated discussion over the 
divine right of kings. Bellarmine found justification in Thomas Aquinas 
for regicide in the case of tyrants, not that he was suggesting James be 
beheaded like his mother :)
 
> I didn't think there was such a relationship with Ubuntu, just pointing
> out that you can get a helpful tool from the default repos.

No, it goes back to Sausage's original post and the title of the thread. 
He seemed to be implying something special about Linux.  Every OS has one 
or more bible applications should you desire to install them.

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#689052

On 4/16/25 19:41, rbowman wrote:
> On 16 Apr 2025 22:13:59 GMT, vallor wrote:
> 
> 
>> However, I saw in another post that you don't prefer the kjv, so I guess
>> this won't be much use to you.
> 
> I'm not a fan of James VI and I, and the fruit of the poisoned tree. James
> and Robert Bellarmine SJ had a pre-usenet heated discussion over the
> divine right of kings. Bellarmine found justification in Thomas Aquinas
> for regicide in the case of tyrants, not that he was suggesting James be
> beheaded like his mother :)
>   
>> I didn't think there was such a relationship with Ubuntu, just pointing
>> out that you can get a helpful tool from the default repos.
> 
> No, it goes back to Sausage's original post and the title of the thread.
> He seemed to be implying something special about Linux.  Every OS has one
> or more bible applications should you desire to install them.

It's special because Linux holds this software in its repositories and 
allows you to install it with one command. Under Windows or MacOS, the 
software will only be installed if you search for it on the web and 
download it. The fact that it is so readily and easily available does 
indeed imply something special about Linux.

-- 
God be with you,

CrudeSausage
LibreOffice supporter
John 14:6

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#689055

CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:

> On 4/16/25 19:41, rbowman wrote:
> > On 16 Apr 2025 22:13:59 GMT, vallor wrote:
> > 
> > 
> >> However, I saw in another post that you don't prefer the kjv, so I guess
> >> this won't be much use to you.
> > 
> > I'm not a fan of James VI and I, and the fruit of the poisoned tree. James
> > and Robert Bellarmine SJ had a pre-usenet heated discussion over the
> > divine right of kings. Bellarmine found justification in Thomas Aquinas
> > for regicide in the case of tyrants, not that he was suggesting James be
> > beheaded like his mother :)
> >   
> >> I didn't think there was such a relationship with Ubuntu, just pointing
> >> out that you can get a helpful tool from the default repos.
> > 
> > No, it goes back to Sausage's original post and the title of the thread.
> > He seemed to be implying something special about Linux.  Every OS has one
> > or more bible applications should you desire to install them.
> 
> It's special because Linux holds this software in its repositories and
> allows you to install it with one command. Under Windows or MacOS, the
> software will only be installed if you search for it on the web and 
> download it. The fact that it is so readily and easily available does
> indeed imply something special about Linux.

The Tuxites of Linux are indeed the Chosen Tribe.  The Windowsites and
the Macosites are heretics, they must be smitten (or smited, even).

-- 
^Ï^.      Sn!pe, PTB, FIBS        My pet rock Gordon just is.

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#689076

On 2025-04-16 20:06, Sn!pe wrote:
> CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
> 
>> On 4/16/25 19:41, rbowman wrote:
>>> On 16 Apr 2025 22:13:59 GMT, vallor wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> However, I saw in another post that you don't prefer the kjv, so I guess
>>>> this won't be much use to you.
>>>
>>> I'm not a fan of James VI and I, and the fruit of the poisoned tree. James
>>> and Robert Bellarmine SJ had a pre-usenet heated discussion over the
>>> divine right of kings. Bellarmine found justification in Thomas Aquinas
>>> for regicide in the case of tyrants, not that he was suggesting James be
>>> beheaded like his mother :)
>>>    
>>>> I didn't think there was such a relationship with Ubuntu, just pointing
>>>> out that you can get a helpful tool from the default repos.
>>>
>>> No, it goes back to Sausage's original post and the title of the thread.
>>> He seemed to be implying something special about Linux.  Every OS has one
>>> or more bible applications should you desire to install them.
>>
>> It's special because Linux holds this software in its repositories and
>> allows you to install it with one command. Under Windows or MacOS, the
>> software will only be installed if you search for it on the web and
>> download it. The fact that it is so readily and easily available does
>> indeed imply something special about Linux.
> 
> The Tuxites of Linux are indeed the Chosen Tribe.  The Windowsites and
> the Macosites are heretics, they must be smitten (or smited, even).

The users of one operating system have no greater chance of going to 
Hell than the users of another. However, I do think that the users have 
no excuse for consciously supporting proprietary formats when suitable 
open ones exist. It's one thing to say that Excel can do some advanced 
thing that Calc is incapable of doing. However, if what you do is basic 
and can be done by both applications, there is no good reason to choose 
XLS to save with.

-- 
God be with you,

CrudeSausage
LibreOffice supporter
John 14:6

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#689061

On Wed, 16 Apr 2025 19:48:25 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:

> It's special because Linux holds this software in its repositories and
> allows you to install it with one command. Under Windows or MacOS, the
> software will only be installed if you search for it on the web and
> download it. The fact that it is so readily and easily available does
> indeed imply something special about Linux.

Okay, let's suppose I never heard of xiphos, which is indeed the case, but 
I wanted to find bible study software for Linux.

https://www.linuxlinks.com/biblesoftware/

Back to searching. Perhaps I'm running Ubuntu with snap.

https://snapcraft.io/store?q=bible+study

8 hits, no xiphos. Or I'm on the Fedora box with flatpak.

https://flathub.org/apps/search?q=bible+study

9 results, and it even has xiphos.

https://apps.microsoft.com/search?query=bible+study&hl=en-US&gl=US

They don't give a count but I never knew there were so many video bible 
studies in the world, let alone the apps.

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#689078

On 2025-04-17 00:13, rbowman wrote:
> On Wed, 16 Apr 2025 19:48:25 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
> 
>> It's special because Linux holds this software in its repositories and
>> allows you to install it with one command. Under Windows or MacOS, the
>> software will only be installed if you search for it on the web and
>> download it. The fact that it is so readily and easily available does
>> indeed imply something special about Linux.
> 
> Okay, let's suppose I never heard of xiphos, which is indeed the case, but
> I wanted to find bible study software for Linux.
> 
> https://www.linuxlinks.com/biblesoftware/
> 
> Back to searching. Perhaps I'm running Ubuntu with snap.
> 
> https://snapcraft.io/store?q=bible+study
> 
> 8 hits, no xiphos. Or I'm on the Fedora box with flatpak.
> 
> https://flathub.org/apps/search?q=bible+study
> 
> 9 results, and it even has xiphos.
> 
> https://apps.microsoft.com/search?query=bible+study&hl=en-US&gl=US
> 
> They don't give a count but I never knew there were so many video bible
> studies in the world, let alone the apps.

To most people, the availability of such software won't sway them one 
way or another. For my part, I'm convinced that there is a spiritual 
awakening happening in society and that a lot of people looking to 
follow God will be convinced to migrate to Linux. The fact that it will 
then be easy for them to install software to study Scripture will only 
confirm their decision.

-- 
God be with you,

CrudeSausage
LibreOffice supporter
John 14:6

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#689084

On 2025-04-17, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
> On 2025-04-17 00:13, rbowman wrote:
>> On Wed, 16 Apr 2025 19:48:25 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
>> 
>>> It's special because Linux holds this software in its repositories and
>>> allows you to install it with one command. Under Windows or MacOS, the
>>> software will only be installed if you search for it on the web and
>>> download it. The fact that it is so readily and easily available does
>>> indeed imply something special about Linux.
>> 
>> Okay, let's suppose I never heard of xiphos, which is indeed the case, but
>> I wanted to find bible study software for Linux.
>> 
>> https://www.linuxlinks.com/biblesoftware/
>> 
>> Back to searching. Perhaps I'm running Ubuntu with snap.
>> 
>> https://snapcraft.io/store?q=bible+study
>> 
>> 8 hits, no xiphos. Or I'm on the Fedora box with flatpak.
>> 
>> https://flathub.org/apps/search?q=bible+study
>> 
>> 9 results, and it even has xiphos.
>> 
>> https://apps.microsoft.com/search?query=bible+study&hl=en-US&gl=US
>> 
>> They don't give a count but I never knew there were so many video bible
>> studies in the world, let alone the apps.
>
> To most people, the availability of such software won't sway them one 
> way or another. For my part, I'm convinced that there is a spiritual 
> awakening happening in society and that a lot of people looking to 
> follow God will be convinced to migrate to Linux. The fact that it will 
> then be easy for them to install software to study Scripture will only 
> confirm their decision.
>

Why do you think people wanting to follow God will be convinced to
migrate to Linux?  The two things seem unrelated to me, and I can't see
how installing GNU/Linux follows from finding God.  Wouldn't using
TempleOS be more apropos?

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#689088

On 2025-04-17 09:58, Borax Man wrote:
> On 2025-04-17, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>> On 2025-04-17 00:13, rbowman wrote:
>>> On Wed, 16 Apr 2025 19:48:25 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
>>>
>>>> It's special because Linux holds this software in its repositories and
>>>> allows you to install it with one command. Under Windows or MacOS, the
>>>> software will only be installed if you search for it on the web and
>>>> download it. The fact that it is so readily and easily available does
>>>> indeed imply something special about Linux.
>>>
>>> Okay, let's suppose I never heard of xiphos, which is indeed the case, but
>>> I wanted to find bible study software for Linux.
>>>
>>> https://www.linuxlinks.com/biblesoftware/
>>>
>>> Back to searching. Perhaps I'm running Ubuntu with snap.
>>>
>>> https://snapcraft.io/store?q=bible+study
>>>
>>> 8 hits, no xiphos. Or I'm on the Fedora box with flatpak.
>>>
>>> https://flathub.org/apps/search?q=bible+study
>>>
>>> 9 results, and it even has xiphos.
>>>
>>> https://apps.microsoft.com/search?query=bible+study&hl=en-US&gl=US
>>>
>>> They don't give a count but I never knew there were so many video bible
>>> studies in the world, let alone the apps.
>>
>> To most people, the availability of such software won't sway them one
>> way or another. For my part, I'm convinced that there is a spiritual
>> awakening happening in society and that a lot of people looking to
>> follow God will be convinced to migrate to Linux. The fact that it will
>> then be easy for them to install software to study Scripture will only
>> confirm their decision.
>>
> 
> Why do you think people wanting to follow God will be convinced to
> migrate to Linux?  The two things seem unrelated to me, and I can't see
> how installing GNU/Linux follows from finding God.  Wouldn't using
> TempleOS be more apropos?

I'm sure that some people actually did migrate over to TempleOS. 
Nevertheless, I think Linux is the more obvious choice because it 
effectively breaks all barriers between users. Every Linux user has the 
potential to contribute to the project and the equal potential to 
benefit from it. Everyone can play a role or choose not to, but everyone 
is an equal one way or another. That is not the case with proprietary 
software where you can be locked out of data because you can't afford 
the software to load the content or can't complete the project as well 
as your neighbour because you prefer to eat and pay your rent than pay a 
continuous monthly fee. It's the equality aspect that I, as a teacher, 
am very fond of. I don't believe in equity, but I do believe in equality.


-- 
God be with you,

CrudeSausage
LibreOffice supporter
John 14:6

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#689122

On Thu, 17 Apr 2025 13:58:38 -0000 (UTC), Borax Man wrote:

> Why do you think people wanting to follow God will be convinced to
> migrate to Linux?  The two things seem unrelated to me, and I can't see
> how installing GNU/Linux follows from finding God.  Wouldn't using
> TempleOS be more apropos?

Before this all drifted into theology that was my question. I don't see 
the connection. Perhaps I'm biased since most of the Linux users I know 
IRL hardly chose it for access to religious software, even the ones who 
were actually religious. Unfortunately those two are dead and I can't ask 
them.

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#689020

On 16 Apr 2025 06:00:58 GMT, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote in
<m68vcpFn125U1@mid.individual.net>:

> 
> https://launchpad.net/~pkgcrosswire/+archive/ubuntu/ppa

BTW, thought about adding this ppa -- just looked, and they
have cmake in there.  tsk, tsk -- why would they do that?

-- 
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   OS: Linux 6.14.2 Release: Mint 22.1 Mem: 258G

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#689073

On 16 Apr 2025 11:09:55 GMT, vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> wrote in
<m69hg3Fk9skU3@mid.individual.net>:

> On 16 Apr 2025 06:00:58 GMT, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote in
> <m68vcpFn125U1@mid.individual.net>:
> 
> 
>> https://launchpad.net/~pkgcrosswire/+archive/ubuntu/ppa
> 
> BTW, thought about adding this ppa -- just looked, and they have cmake
> in there.  tsk, tsk -- why would they do that?

Investigated this further.  Couldn't add the ppa because it doesn't support
Ubuntu Noble -- /plus/, it turns out Xiphos is already in Ubuntu Noble.

So on Linux Mint 22.1, I just needed to sudo apt install xiphos.

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   OS: Linux 6.14.2 Release: Mint 22.1 Mem: 258G
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#689091

On 17 Apr 2025 11:35:51 GMT, vallor wrote:

> On 16 Apr 2025 11:09:55 GMT, vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> wrote in
> <m69hg3Fk9skU3@mid.individual.net>:
> 
>> On 16 Apr 2025 06:00:58 GMT, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote in
>> <m68vcpFn125U1@mid.individual.net>:
>> 
>> 
>>> https://launchpad.net/~pkgcrosswire/+archive/ubuntu/ppa
>> 
>> BTW, thought about adding this ppa -- just looked, and they have cmake
>> in there.  tsk, tsk -- why would they do that?
> 
> Investigated this further.  Couldn't add the ppa because it doesn't
> support Ubuntu Noble -- /plus/, it turns out Xiphos is already in Ubuntu
> Noble.
> 
> So on Linux Mint 22.1, I just needed to sudo apt install xiphos.

I didn't install it so I can't certifiy it works but on Ubuntu 24.10

sudo apt install xiphos
[sudo] password for rbowman: 
Installing:                     
  xiphos

Installing dependencies:
  imagemagick        libbiblesync1.1  libsword-common   netpbm
  imagemagick-6.q16  libnetpbm11t64   libsword1.9.0t64  xiphos-data

Suggested packages:
  imagemagick-6-doc  ffmpeg   hp2xx       mplayer   texlive-base-bin  
sword-text
  autotrace          gnuplot  html2ps     povray    transfig          
festival
  enscript           grads    libwmf-bin  radiance  libraw-bin

Summary:
  Upgrading: 0, Installing: 9, Removing: 0, Not Upgrading: 8
  Download size: 8,239 kB
  Space needed: 23.3 MB / 320 GB available

Continue? [Y/n] 

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#689094

vallor wrote:
> On 16 Apr 2025 11:09:55 GMT, vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> wrote in
> <m69hg3Fk9skU3@mid.individual.net>:
> 
>> On 16 Apr 2025 06:00:58 GMT, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote in
>> <m68vcpFn125U1@mid.individual.net>:
>>
>>
>>> https://launchpad.net/~pkgcrosswire/+archive/ubuntu/ppa
>>
>> BTW, thought about adding this ppa -- just looked, and they have cmake
>> in there.  tsk, tsk -- why would they do that?
> 
> Investigated this further.  Couldn't add the ppa because it doesn't support
> Ubuntu Noble -- /plus/, it turns out Xiphos is already in Ubuntu Noble.
> 
> So on Linux Mint 22.1, I just needed to sudo apt install xiphos.
> 
that's  not all you need

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