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  Shocking speed difference, Ubuntu vs. Linux Mint, Snap vs. Flatpak CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-03-18 12:33 -0400
    Re: Shocking speed difference, Ubuntu vs. Linux Mint, Snap vs. Flatpak rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-18 16:58 +0000
      Re: Shocking speed difference, Ubuntu vs. Linux Mint, Snap vs. Flatpak CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-03-18 13:01 -0400
        Re: Shocking speed difference, Ubuntu vs. Linux Mint, Snap vs. Flatpak RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-03-19 05:02 +0000
      Re: Shocking speed difference, Ubuntu vs. Linux Mint, Snap vs. Flatpak RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-03-19 05:00 +0000
        Re: Shocking speed difference, Ubuntu vs. Linux Mint, Snap vs. Flatpak CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-03-19 09:31 -0400
          Re: Shocking speed difference, Ubuntu vs. Linux Mint, Snap vs. Flatpak rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-20 01:21 +0000
            Re: Shocking speed difference, Ubuntu vs. Linux Mint, Snap vs. Flatpak RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-03-20 05:39 +0000
            Re: Shocking speed difference, Ubuntu vs. Linux Mint, Snap vs. Flatpak CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-03-20 08:07 -0400
            Re: Shocking speed difference, Ubuntu vs. Linux Mint, Snap vs. Flatpak pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2025-03-21 02:57 +0000
              Re: Shocking speed difference, Ubuntu vs. Linux Mint, Snap vs. Flatpak CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-03-21 05:50 -0400
                Re: Shocking speed difference, Ubuntu vs. Linux Mint, Snap vs. Flatpak RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-03-21 17:20 +0000
                  Re: Shocking speed difference, Ubuntu vs. Linux Mint, Snap vs. Flatpak CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-03-21 14:41 -0400
                    Re: Shocking speed difference, Ubuntu vs. Linux Mint, Snap vs. Flatpak RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-03-22 03:01 +0000
                      Re: Shocking speed difference, Ubuntu vs. Linux Mint, Snap vs. Flatpak CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-03-22 08:27 -0400
                        Re: Shocking speed difference, Ubuntu vs. Linux Mint, Snap vs. Flatpak RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-03-22 19:48 +0000
                          Re: Shocking speed difference, Ubuntu vs. Linux Mint, Snap vs. Flatpak CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-03-22 21:07 -0400
                            Re: Shocking speed difference, Ubuntu vs. Linux Mint, Snap vs. Flatpak RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-03-23 07:06 +0000
                              Re: Shocking speed difference, Ubuntu vs. Linux Mint, Snap vs. Flatpak CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-03-23 07:17 -0400
                                Re: Shocking speed difference, Ubuntu vs. Linux Mint, Snap vs. Flatpak RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-03-23 19:15 +0000
                                  Re: Shocking speed difference, Ubuntu vs. Linux Mint, Snap vs. Flatpak Adison Vohn Caterson <Adison@Caterson.invalid> - 2025-03-23 19:17 +0000
                                    Re: Shocking speed difference, Ubuntu vs. Linux Mint, Snap vs. Flatpak RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-03-23 20:47 +0000
              Re: Shocking speed difference, Ubuntu vs. Linux Mint, Snap vs. Flatpak RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-03-21 17:15 +0000
                Re: Shocking speed difference, Ubuntu vs. Linux Mint, Snap vs. Flatpak CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-03-21 14:40 -0400
          Re: Shocking speed difference, Ubuntu vs. Linux Mint, Snap vs. Flatpak RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-03-20 05:37 +0000
    Re: Shocking speed difference, Ubuntu vs. Linux Mint, Snap vs. Flatpak RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-03-19 04:58 +0000
      Re: Shocking speed difference, Ubuntu vs. Linux Mint, Snap vs. Flatpak CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-03-19 09:21 -0400
        Re: Shocking speed difference, Ubuntu vs. Linux Mint, Snap vs. Flatpak rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-20 01:12 +0000
          Re: Shocking speed difference, Ubuntu vs. Linux Mint, Snap vs. Flatpak RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-03-20 05:35 +0000
            Re: Shocking speed difference, Ubuntu vs. Linux Mint, Snap vs. Flatpak rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-20 18:28 +0000
          Re: Shocking speed difference, Ubuntu vs. Linux Mint, Snap vs. Flatpak CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-03-20 08:03 -0400
            Re: Shocking speed difference, Ubuntu vs. Linux Mint, Snap vs. Flatpak rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-20 18:18 +0000
              Re: Shocking speed difference, Ubuntu vs. Linux Mint, Snap vs. Flatpak CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-03-20 19:52 -0400
                Re: Shocking speed difference, Ubuntu vs. Linux Mint, Snap vs. Flatpak rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-21 00:06 +0000
                  Re: Shocking speed difference, Ubuntu vs. Linux Mint, Snap vs. Flatpak CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-03-20 20:24 -0400
        Re: Shocking speed difference, Ubuntu vs. Linux Mint, Snap vs. Flatpak RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-03-20 05:34 +0000
          Re: Shocking speed difference, Ubuntu vs. Linux Mint, Snap vs. Flatpak CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-03-20 08:11 -0400
            Re: Shocking speed difference, Ubuntu vs. Linux Mint, Snap vs. Flatpak rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-20 18:31 +0000
              Re: Shocking speed difference, Ubuntu vs. Linux Mint, Snap vs. Flatpak CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-03-20 19:53 -0400
            Re: Shocking speed difference, Ubuntu vs. Linux Mint, Snap vs. Flatpak RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-03-21 02:30 +0000
              Re: Shocking speed difference, Ubuntu vs. Linux Mint, Snap vs. Flatpak CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-03-21 05:49 -0400

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#687626 — Shocking speed difference, Ubuntu vs. Linux Mint, Snap vs. Flatpak

Having discovered that Ubuntu intends to replace the GNU utilities with 
Rust equivalents which may or may not work as well in the coming months, 
I switched over to Linux Mint 22.1 from Ubuntu 24.04 on this old Macbook 
Air 2017. Not only does it bundle the necessary, proprietary wireless 
drivers allowing for a smooth install unlike Ubuntu, but Linux Mint runs 
a _lot_ faster under Cinnamon than Ubuntu's implementation of GNOME. I 
imagine that most of it is due to the use of Snap. For example, 
LibreOffice went from taking about ten seconds to load (on a cold start) 
to one or two.

I can only hope that Linux Mint does not follow Ubuntu in removing the 
GNU utilities in favour of the rewritten Rust ones. They have already 
shown themselves to be less than 100% compatible, so you can imagine 
what kind of chaos will result from the change.

-- 
God be with you,

CrudeSausage
John 14:6

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#687627

On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 12:33:50 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:

> Having discovered that Ubuntu intends to replace the GNU utilities with
> Rust equivalents which may or may not work as well in the coming months,
> I switched over to Linux Mint 22.1 from Ubuntu 24.04 on this old Macbook
> Air 2017. Not only does it bundle the necessary, proprietary wireless
> drivers allowing for a smooth install unlike Ubuntu, but Linux Mint runs
> a _lot_ faster under Cinnamon than Ubuntu's implementation of GNOME. I
> imagine that most of it is due to the use of Snap. For example,
> LibreOffice went from taking about ten seconds to load (on a cold start)
> to one or two.

I don't have a Macbook or a Cinnamon installation but LibreOffice Writer 
comes up in less than 2 seconds on my Ubuntu box. Also, it is not a snap.

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#687628

On 2025-03-18 12:58, rbowman wrote:
> On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 12:33:50 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
> 
>> Having discovered that Ubuntu intends to replace the GNU utilities with
>> Rust equivalents which may or may not work as well in the coming months,
>> I switched over to Linux Mint 22.1 from Ubuntu 24.04 on this old Macbook
>> Air 2017. Not only does it bundle the necessary, proprietary wireless
>> drivers allowing for a smooth install unlike Ubuntu, but Linux Mint runs
>> a _lot_ faster under Cinnamon than Ubuntu's implementation of GNOME. I
>> imagine that most of it is due to the use of Snap. For example,
>> LibreOffice went from taking about ten seconds to load (on a cold start)
>> to one or two.
> 
> I don't have a Macbook or a Cinnamon installation but LibreOffice Writer
> comes up in less than 2 seconds on my Ubuntu box. Also, it is not a snap.

The fact that it isn't a Snap is probably the reason. My experience with 
Snap has always been that it takes time to load the first time around, 
but that it is fast every other time. However, I've never run Ubuntu on 
as slow a laptop as this one is. On this machine, using Snap is 
masochism. Ubuntu itself is also not as fast as you would expect a Linux 
distribution which also caters to older machines would be.

-- 
God be with you,

CrudeSausage
John 14:6

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#687642

On 2025-03-18, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
> On 2025-03-18 12:58, rbowman wrote:
>> On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 12:33:50 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
>> 
>>> Having discovered that Ubuntu intends to replace the GNU utilities with
>>> Rust equivalents which may or may not work as well in the coming months,
>>> I switched over to Linux Mint 22.1 from Ubuntu 24.04 on this old Macbook
>>> Air 2017. Not only does it bundle the necessary, proprietary wireless
>>> drivers allowing for a smooth install unlike Ubuntu, but Linux Mint runs
>>> a _lot_ faster under Cinnamon than Ubuntu's implementation of GNOME. I
>>> imagine that most of it is due to the use of Snap. For example,
>>> LibreOffice went from taking about ten seconds to load (on a cold start)
>>> to one or two.
>> 
>> I don't have a Macbook or a Cinnamon installation but LibreOffice Writer
>> comes up in less than 2 seconds on my Ubuntu box. Also, it is not a snap.
>
> The fact that it isn't a Snap is probably the reason. My experience with 
> Snap has always been that it takes time to load the first time around, 
> but that it is fast every other time. However, I've never run Ubuntu on 
> as slow a laptop as this one is. On this machine, using Snap is 
> masochism. Ubuntu itself is also not as fast as you would expect a Linux 
> distribution which also caters to older machines would be.

I'm guessing there's a good chance that it has something to do with the Snap 
overhead, and maybe Wayland.

-- 
“Evil is not able to create anything new, it can only distort and destroy 
what has been invented or made by the forces of good.”  —J.R.R. Tolkien

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#687641

On 2025-03-18, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 12:33:50 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
>
>> Having discovered that Ubuntu intends to replace the GNU utilities with
>> Rust equivalents which may or may not work as well in the coming months,
>> I switched over to Linux Mint 22.1 from Ubuntu 24.04 on this old Macbook
>> Air 2017. Not only does it bundle the necessary, proprietary wireless
>> drivers allowing for a smooth install unlike Ubuntu, but Linux Mint runs
>> a _lot_ faster under Cinnamon than Ubuntu's implementation of GNOME. I
>> imagine that most of it is due to the use of Snap. For example,
>> LibreOffice went from taking about ten seconds to load (on a cold start)
>> to one or two.
>
> I don't have a Macbook or a Cinnamon installation but LibreOffice Writer 
> comes up in less than 2 seconds on my Ubuntu box. Also, it is not a snap.

I'm definitely not a fan of Snaps. And nothing I've seen about them or 
experienced with them lately is likely to change my mind.

-- 
“Evil is not able to create anything new, it can only distort and destroy 
what has been invented or made by the forces of good.”  —J.R.R. Tolkien

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#687647

On 2025-03-19 01:00, RonB wrote:
> On 2025-03-18, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
>> On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 12:33:50 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
>>
>>> Having discovered that Ubuntu intends to replace the GNU utilities with
>>> Rust equivalents which may or may not work as well in the coming months,
>>> I switched over to Linux Mint 22.1 from Ubuntu 24.04 on this old Macbook
>>> Air 2017. Not only does it bundle the necessary, proprietary wireless
>>> drivers allowing for a smooth install unlike Ubuntu, but Linux Mint runs
>>> a _lot_ faster under Cinnamon than Ubuntu's implementation of GNOME. I
>>> imagine that most of it is due to the use of Snap. For example,
>>> LibreOffice went from taking about ten seconds to load (on a cold start)
>>> to one or two.
>>
>> I don't have a Macbook or a Cinnamon installation but LibreOffice Writer
>> comes up in less than 2 seconds on my Ubuntu box. Also, it is not a snap.
> 
> I'm definitely not a fan of Snaps. And nothing I've seen about them or
> experienced with them lately is likely to change my mind.

If anyone out there is a fan of Snaps, then there is a chance they might 
not be fans of Ubuntu itself. The idea of switching out the GNU tools 
that work perfectly well in favour of rewritten Rust ones is just 
idiotic. I would trust the people who produced the GNU tools decades ago 
a lot more than the filthy hippies who will rewrite them in Rust for a 
theoretical benefit in regards to memory.

-- 
God be with you,

CrudeSausage
John 14:6

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#687666

On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 09:31:45 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:

> If anyone out there is a fan of Snaps, then there is a chance they might
> not be fans of Ubuntu itself. The idea of switching out the GNU tools
> that work perfectly well in favour of rewritten Rust ones is just
> idiotic. I would trust the people who produced the GNU tools decades ago
> a lot more than the filthy hippies who will rewrite them in Rust for a
> theoretical benefit in regards to memory.

I've been running Ubuntu as my main machine. I'm not a fan of GNOME but I 
can live with it.  I can also like with snap, flatpak, and AppImage.  
Brave is the only app that shows up both in the snap and flatpak list. 
There isn't a lot of consistency. Firefox and dotnet are snaps, Vim is a 
flatpak. 

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#687671

On 2025-03-20, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 09:31:45 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
>
>> If anyone out there is a fan of Snaps, then there is a chance they might
>> not be fans of Ubuntu itself. The idea of switching out the GNU tools
>> that work perfectly well in favour of rewritten Rust ones is just
>> idiotic. I would trust the people who produced the GNU tools decades ago
>> a lot more than the filthy hippies who will rewrite them in Rust for a
>> theoretical benefit in regards to memory.
>
> I've been running Ubuntu as my main machine. I'm not a fan of GNOME but I 
> can live with it.  I can also like with snap, flatpak, and AppImage.  
> Brave is the only app that shows up both in the snap and flatpak list. 
> There isn't a lot of consistency. Firefox and dotnet are snaps, Vim is a 
> flatpak. 

I like to deal with Flatpaks in the terminal. Otherwise they tend to update 
too often (at least they do in Linux Mint).

-- 
“Evil is not able to create anything new, it can only distort and destroy 
what has been invented or made by the forces of good.”  —J.R.R. Tolkien

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#687676

On 2025-03-19 21:21, rbowman wrote:
> On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 09:31:45 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
> 
>> If anyone out there is a fan of Snaps, then there is a chance they might
>> not be fans of Ubuntu itself. The idea of switching out the GNU tools
>> that work perfectly well in favour of rewritten Rust ones is just
>> idiotic. I would trust the people who produced the GNU tools decades ago
>> a lot more than the filthy hippies who will rewrite them in Rust for a
>> theoretical benefit in regards to memory.
> 
> I've been running Ubuntu as my main machine. I'm not a fan of GNOME but I
> can live with it.  I can also like with snap, flatpak, and AppImage.
> Brave is the only app that shows up both in the snap and flatpak list.
> There isn't a lot of consistency. Firefox and dotnet are snaps, Vim is a
> flatpak.

That simply means that you can choose which package you use for some of 
those applications. For example, when I enabled Flatpak on Ubuntu, there 
were several instances of Firefox available. One was deb, the other two 
were Flatpak and Snap. I'd go with deb for speed, Snap for security and 
Flatpak as a compromise between both. In the end, I don't really see 
much of a reason for Snap to exist. It does little other than enable 
Canonical to have influence over how applications are distributed. Why 
anyone would need that is beyond me. Unless someone can demonstrate, 
convincingly so, that Canonical is synonymous with stability, and that 
it is the first choice of distribution for workstations, I don't see the 
point.

-- 
God be with you,

CrudeSausage
John 14:6

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#687717

On 2025-03-20, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 09:31:45 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
>
>> If anyone out there is a fan of Snaps, then there is a chance they might
>> not be fans of Ubuntu itself. The idea of switching out the GNU tools
>> that work perfectly well in favour of rewritten Rust ones is just
>> idiotic. I would trust the people who produced the GNU tools decades ago
>> a lot more than the filthy hippies who will rewrite them in Rust for a
>> theoretical benefit in regards to memory.
>
> I've been running Ubuntu as my main machine. I'm not a fan of GNOME but I 
> can live with it.  I can also like with snap, flatpak, and AppImage.  
> Brave is the only app that shows up both in the snap and flatpak list. 
> There isn't a lot of consistency. Firefox and dotnet are snaps, Vim is a 
> flatpak. 

I've been running MXLinux for a long time, years in fact, but I tried out
the latest version of LinuxMint Cinnamon  and on the same hardware it is
much, much faster than MXLinux.
Especially with regards to loading browsers and surfing.
It was painfully slow under MXLinux. Browser didn't matter.
It's not even close.
I wasn't a fan of LinuxMint in the past but I sure am now.

It's come a long way baby! 


-- 
pothead
Filter Free For A While.

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#687728

On 2025-03-20 10:57 p.m., pothead wrote:
> On 2025-03-20, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
>> On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 09:31:45 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
>>
>>> If anyone out there is a fan of Snaps, then there is a chance they might
>>> not be fans of Ubuntu itself. The idea of switching out the GNU tools
>>> that work perfectly well in favour of rewritten Rust ones is just
>>> idiotic. I would trust the people who produced the GNU tools decades ago
>>> a lot more than the filthy hippies who will rewrite them in Rust for a
>>> theoretical benefit in regards to memory.
>>
>> I've been running Ubuntu as my main machine. I'm not a fan of GNOME but I
>> can live with it.  I can also like with snap, flatpak, and AppImage.
>> Brave is the only app that shows up both in the snap and flatpak list.
>> There isn't a lot of consistency. Firefox and dotnet are snaps, Vim is a
>> flatpak.
> 
> I've been running MXLinux for a long time, years in fact, but I tried out
> the latest version of LinuxMint Cinnamon  and on the same hardware it is
> much, much faster than MXLinux.
> Especially with regards to loading browsers and surfing.
> It was painfully slow under MXLinux. Browser didn't matter.
> It's not even close.
> I wasn't a fan of LinuxMint in the past but I sure am now.
> 
> It's come a long way baby!

I'm a fan now. It made the pathetic the old hardware feel relatively 
new. Its 5250U processor wasn't even good at the time, but it at least 
feels adequate eight years later.

-- 
God be with you,

CrudeSausage
John 14:6

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#687747

On 2025-03-21, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
> On 2025-03-20 10:57 p.m., pothead wrote:
>> On 2025-03-20, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
>>> On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 09:31:45 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
>>>
>>>> If anyone out there is a fan of Snaps, then there is a chance they might
>>>> not be fans of Ubuntu itself. The idea of switching out the GNU tools
>>>> that work perfectly well in favour of rewritten Rust ones is just
>>>> idiotic. I would trust the people who produced the GNU tools decades ago
>>>> a lot more than the filthy hippies who will rewrite them in Rust for a
>>>> theoretical benefit in regards to memory.
>>>
>>> I've been running Ubuntu as my main machine. I'm not a fan of GNOME but I
>>> can live with it.  I can also like with snap, flatpak, and AppImage.
>>> Brave is the only app that shows up both in the snap and flatpak list.
>>> There isn't a lot of consistency. Firefox and dotnet are snaps, Vim is a
>>> flatpak.
>> 
>> I've been running MXLinux for a long time, years in fact, but I tried out
>> the latest version of LinuxMint Cinnamon  and on the same hardware it is
>> much, much faster than MXLinux.
>> Especially with regards to loading browsers and surfing.
>> It was painfully slow under MXLinux. Browser didn't matter.
>> It's not even close.
>> I wasn't a fan of LinuxMint in the past but I sure am now.
>> 
>> It's come a long way baby!
>
> I'm a fan now. It made the pathetic the old hardware feel relatively 
> new. Its 5250U processor wasn't even good at the time, but it at least 
> feels adequate eight years later.

The 5250U is faster than the 5300U that's in my Dell Latitude E7450 laptop. 
But they're pretty closely related. I'm happy with the performance of the 
E7450 (I do have 16 GBs of RAM, so that might help.)

-- 
“Evil is not able to create anything new, it can only distort and destroy 
what has been invented or made by the forces of good.”  —J.R.R. Tolkien

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#687750

On 2025-03-21 1:20 p.m., RonB wrote:
> On 2025-03-21, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>> On 2025-03-20 10:57 p.m., pothead wrote:
>>> On 2025-03-20, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 09:31:45 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> If anyone out there is a fan of Snaps, then there is a chance they might
>>>>> not be fans of Ubuntu itself. The idea of switching out the GNU tools
>>>>> that work perfectly well in favour of rewritten Rust ones is just
>>>>> idiotic. I would trust the people who produced the GNU tools decades ago
>>>>> a lot more than the filthy hippies who will rewrite them in Rust for a
>>>>> theoretical benefit in regards to memory.
>>>>
>>>> I've been running Ubuntu as my main machine. I'm not a fan of GNOME but I
>>>> can live with it.  I can also like with snap, flatpak, and AppImage.
>>>> Brave is the only app that shows up both in the snap and flatpak list.
>>>> There isn't a lot of consistency. Firefox and dotnet are snaps, Vim is a
>>>> flatpak.
>>>
>>> I've been running MXLinux for a long time, years in fact, but I tried out
>>> the latest version of LinuxMint Cinnamon  and on the same hardware it is
>>> much, much faster than MXLinux.
>>> Especially with regards to loading browsers and surfing.
>>> It was painfully slow under MXLinux. Browser didn't matter.
>>> It's not even close.
>>> I wasn't a fan of LinuxMint in the past but I sure am now.
>>>
>>> It's come a long way baby!
>>
>> I'm a fan now. It made the pathetic the old hardware feel relatively
>> new. Its 5250U processor wasn't even good at the time, but it at least
>> feels adequate eight years later.
> 
> The 5250U is faster than the 5300U that's in my Dell Latitude E7450 laptop.
> But they're pretty closely related. I'm happy with the performance of the
> E7450 (I do have 16 GBs of RAM, so that might help.)

The Mac's got 8GB with no possibility of upgrading it. I can replace the 
128GB it came with, I even have the adapter for it, but Mint doesn't 
even fill up the 128GB. At 25% wear, I think I can run it for a number 
of years before needing to switch the storage.

-- 
God be with you,

CrudeSausage
John 14:6

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#687778

On 2025-03-21, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
> On 2025-03-21 1:20 p.m., RonB wrote:
>> On 2025-03-21, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>> On 2025-03-20 10:57 p.m., pothead wrote:
>>>> On 2025-03-20, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 09:31:45 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> If anyone out there is a fan of Snaps, then there is a chance they might
>>>>>> not be fans of Ubuntu itself. The idea of switching out the GNU tools
>>>>>> that work perfectly well in favour of rewritten Rust ones is just
>>>>>> idiotic. I would trust the people who produced the GNU tools decades ago
>>>>>> a lot more than the filthy hippies who will rewrite them in Rust for a
>>>>>> theoretical benefit in regards to memory.
>>>>>
>>>>> I've been running Ubuntu as my main machine. I'm not a fan of GNOME but I
>>>>> can live with it.  I can also like with snap, flatpak, and AppImage.
>>>>> Brave is the only app that shows up both in the snap and flatpak list.
>>>>> There isn't a lot of consistency. Firefox and dotnet are snaps, Vim is a
>>>>> flatpak.
>>>>
>>>> I've been running MXLinux for a long time, years in fact, but I tried out
>>>> the latest version of LinuxMint Cinnamon  and on the same hardware it is
>>>> much, much faster than MXLinux.
>>>> Especially with regards to loading browsers and surfing.
>>>> It was painfully slow under MXLinux. Browser didn't matter.
>>>> It's not even close.
>>>> I wasn't a fan of LinuxMint in the past but I sure am now.
>>>>
>>>> It's come a long way baby!
>>>
>>> I'm a fan now. It made the pathetic the old hardware feel relatively
>>> new. Its 5250U processor wasn't even good at the time, but it at least
>>> feels adequate eight years later.
>> 
>> The 5250U is faster than the 5300U that's in my Dell Latitude E7450 laptop.
>> But they're pretty closely related. I'm happy with the performance of the
>> E7450 (I do have 16 GBs of RAM, so that might help.)
>
> The Mac's got 8GB with no possibility of upgrading it. I can replace the 
> 128GB it came with, I even have the adapter for it, but Mint doesn't 
> even fill up the 128GB. At 25% wear, I think I can run it for a number 
> of years before needing to switch the storage.

The MacBook Air that I haven't yet sold (2015 version) is also stuck at 8 
GBs. I can't remember what CPU it uses (it looks like a 5250U like yours) by 
the specs I find online. It's also at 128 GBs. 

-- 
“Evil is not able to create anything new, it can only distort and destroy 
what has been invented or made by the forces of good.”  —J.R.R. Tolkien

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#687792

On 2025-03-21 11:01 p.m., RonB wrote:
> On 2025-03-21, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>> On 2025-03-21 1:20 p.m., RonB wrote:
>>> On 2025-03-21, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>>> On 2025-03-20 10:57 p.m., pothead wrote:
>>>>> On 2025-03-20, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 09:31:45 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If anyone out there is a fan of Snaps, then there is a chance they might
>>>>>>> not be fans of Ubuntu itself. The idea of switching out the GNU tools
>>>>>>> that work perfectly well in favour of rewritten Rust ones is just
>>>>>>> idiotic. I would trust the people who produced the GNU tools decades ago
>>>>>>> a lot more than the filthy hippies who will rewrite them in Rust for a
>>>>>>> theoretical benefit in regards to memory.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've been running Ubuntu as my main machine. I'm not a fan of GNOME but I
>>>>>> can live with it.  I can also like with snap, flatpak, and AppImage.
>>>>>> Brave is the only app that shows up both in the snap and flatpak list.
>>>>>> There isn't a lot of consistency. Firefox and dotnet are snaps, Vim is a
>>>>>> flatpak.
>>>>>
>>>>> I've been running MXLinux for a long time, years in fact, but I tried out
>>>>> the latest version of LinuxMint Cinnamon  and on the same hardware it is
>>>>> much, much faster than MXLinux.
>>>>> Especially with regards to loading browsers and surfing.
>>>>> It was painfully slow under MXLinux. Browser didn't matter.
>>>>> It's not even close.
>>>>> I wasn't a fan of LinuxMint in the past but I sure am now.
>>>>>
>>>>> It's come a long way baby!
>>>>
>>>> I'm a fan now. It made the pathetic the old hardware feel relatively
>>>> new. Its 5250U processor wasn't even good at the time, but it at least
>>>> feels adequate eight years later.
>>>
>>> The 5250U is faster than the 5300U that's in my Dell Latitude E7450 laptop.
>>> But they're pretty closely related. I'm happy with the performance of the
>>> E7450 (I do have 16 GBs of RAM, so that might help.)
>>
>> The Mac's got 8GB with no possibility of upgrading it. I can replace the
>> 128GB it came with, I even have the adapter for it, but Mint doesn't
>> even fill up the 128GB. At 25% wear, I think I can run it for a number
>> of years before needing to switch the storage.
> 
> The MacBook Air that I haven't yet sold (2015 version) is also stuck at 8
> GBs. I can't remember what CPU it uses (it looks like a 5250U like yours) by
> the specs I find online. It's also at 128 GBs.

Tell yourself that if you were a Mac user, you would have no choice but 
to bury that thing next to the family dog because it is officially 
useless. Of course, with something like Linux Mint, it is still good in 
2025.

On the other hand, I know that some Mac users that are still rocking 
their 2012 machines.

-- 
God be with you,

CrudeSausage
John 14:6

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#687808

On 2025-03-22, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
> On 2025-03-21 11:01 p.m., RonB wrote:
>> On 2025-03-21, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>> On 2025-03-21 1:20 p.m., RonB wrote:
>>>> On 2025-03-21, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>>>> On 2025-03-20 10:57 p.m., pothead wrote:
>>>>>> On 2025-03-20, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 09:31:45 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If anyone out there is a fan of Snaps, then there is a chance they might
>>>>>>>> not be fans of Ubuntu itself. The idea of switching out the GNU tools
>>>>>>>> that work perfectly well in favour of rewritten Rust ones is just
>>>>>>>> idiotic. I would trust the people who produced the GNU tools decades ago
>>>>>>>> a lot more than the filthy hippies who will rewrite them in Rust for a
>>>>>>>> theoretical benefit in regards to memory.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I've been running Ubuntu as my main machine. I'm not a fan of GNOME but I
>>>>>>> can live with it.  I can also like with snap, flatpak, and AppImage.
>>>>>>> Brave is the only app that shows up both in the snap and flatpak list.
>>>>>>> There isn't a lot of consistency. Firefox and dotnet are snaps, Vim is a
>>>>>>> flatpak.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've been running MXLinux for a long time, years in fact, but I tried out
>>>>>> the latest version of LinuxMint Cinnamon  and on the same hardware it is
>>>>>> much, much faster than MXLinux.
>>>>>> Especially with regards to loading browsers and surfing.
>>>>>> It was painfully slow under MXLinux. Browser didn't matter.
>>>>>> It's not even close.
>>>>>> I wasn't a fan of LinuxMint in the past but I sure am now.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's come a long way baby!
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm a fan now. It made the pathetic the old hardware feel relatively
>>>>> new. Its 5250U processor wasn't even good at the time, but it at least
>>>>> feels adequate eight years later.
>>>>
>>>> The 5250U is faster than the 5300U that's in my Dell Latitude E7450 laptop.
>>>> But they're pretty closely related. I'm happy with the performance of the
>>>> E7450 (I do have 16 GBs of RAM, so that might help.)
>>>
>>> The Mac's got 8GB with no possibility of upgrading it. I can replace the
>>> 128GB it came with, I even have the adapter for it, but Mint doesn't
>>> even fill up the 128GB. At 25% wear, I think I can run it for a number
>>> of years before needing to switch the storage.
>> 
>> The MacBook Air that I haven't yet sold (2015 version) is also stuck at 8
>> GBs. I can't remember what CPU it uses (it looks like a 5250U like yours) by
>> the specs I find online. It's also at 128 GBs.
>
> Tell yourself that if you were a Mac user, you would have no choice but 
> to bury that thing next to the family dog because it is officially 
> useless. Of course, with something like Linux Mint, it is still good in 
> 2025.
>
> On the other hand, I know that some Mac users that are still rocking 
> their 2012 machines.

The MacBook Air definitely slowed down when I upgraded from Catalina to 
Monterey. (If I had realized how quickly Monterey was going to be EOL'd I 
wouldn't have bothered.) So I tried a Live USB version of Linux Mint 
Cinnamon 22.1 last night (after figuring out I needed to use the Option key 
at boot instead of Command+R). Worked well. If the keyboard wasn't so funky 
I would probably just install Linux Mint and keep it. Maybe I will anyhow, I 
don't know. I do admit that the build on the Apple MacBooks is pretty nice. 
(Although I really got it just to test a few Apple-only applications.)

Even though the WiFi card is Broadcom, Linux Mint has no trouble installing 
a good driver for it — speed was impressive. At least on par with my 
Latitude E7450 (which is pretty good for the MacBook Air since it has half 
the RAM — I don't leave a lot open at once anyhow).

-- 
“Evil is not able to create anything new, it can only distort and destroy 
what has been invented or made by the forces of good.”  —J.R.R. Tolkien

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#687826

On 2025-03-22 3:48 p.m., RonB wrote:
> On 2025-03-22, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>> On 2025-03-21 11:01 p.m., RonB wrote:
>>> On 2025-03-21, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>>> On 2025-03-21 1:20 p.m., RonB wrote:
>>>>> On 2025-03-21, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>>>>> On 2025-03-20 10:57 p.m., pothead wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2025-03-20, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 09:31:45 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If anyone out there is a fan of Snaps, then there is a chance they might
>>>>>>>>> not be fans of Ubuntu itself. The idea of switching out the GNU tools
>>>>>>>>> that work perfectly well in favour of rewritten Rust ones is just
>>>>>>>>> idiotic. I would trust the people who produced the GNU tools decades ago
>>>>>>>>> a lot more than the filthy hippies who will rewrite them in Rust for a
>>>>>>>>> theoretical benefit in regards to memory.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I've been running Ubuntu as my main machine. I'm not a fan of GNOME but I
>>>>>>>> can live with it.  I can also like with snap, flatpak, and AppImage.
>>>>>>>> Brave is the only app that shows up both in the snap and flatpak list.
>>>>>>>> There isn't a lot of consistency. Firefox and dotnet are snaps, Vim is a
>>>>>>>> flatpak.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I've been running MXLinux for a long time, years in fact, but I tried out
>>>>>>> the latest version of LinuxMint Cinnamon  and on the same hardware it is
>>>>>>> much, much faster than MXLinux.
>>>>>>> Especially with regards to loading browsers and surfing.
>>>>>>> It was painfully slow under MXLinux. Browser didn't matter.
>>>>>>> It's not even close.
>>>>>>> I wasn't a fan of LinuxMint in the past but I sure am now.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's come a long way baby!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm a fan now. It made the pathetic the old hardware feel relatively
>>>>>> new. Its 5250U processor wasn't even good at the time, but it at least
>>>>>> feels adequate eight years later.
>>>>>
>>>>> The 5250U is faster than the 5300U that's in my Dell Latitude E7450 laptop.
>>>>> But they're pretty closely related. I'm happy with the performance of the
>>>>> E7450 (I do have 16 GBs of RAM, so that might help.)
>>>>
>>>> The Mac's got 8GB with no possibility of upgrading it. I can replace the
>>>> 128GB it came with, I even have the adapter for it, but Mint doesn't
>>>> even fill up the 128GB. At 25% wear, I think I can run it for a number
>>>> of years before needing to switch the storage.
>>>
>>> The MacBook Air that I haven't yet sold (2015 version) is also stuck at 8
>>> GBs. I can't remember what CPU it uses (it looks like a 5250U like yours) by
>>> the specs I find online. It's also at 128 GBs.
>>
>> Tell yourself that if you were a Mac user, you would have no choice but
>> to bury that thing next to the family dog because it is officially
>> useless. Of course, with something like Linux Mint, it is still good in
>> 2025.
>>
>> On the other hand, I know that some Mac users that are still rocking
>> their 2012 machines.
> 
> The MacBook Air definitely slowed down when I upgraded from Catalina to
> Monterey. (If I had realized how quickly Monterey was going to be EOL'd I
> wouldn't have bothered.) So I tried a Live USB version of Linux Mint
> Cinnamon 22.1 last night (after figuring out I needed to use the Option key
> at boot instead of Command+R). Worked well. If the keyboard wasn't so funky
> I would probably just install Linux Mint and keep it. Maybe I will anyhow, I
> don't know. I do admit that the build on the Apple MacBooks is pretty nice.
> (Although I really got it just to test a few Apple-only applications.)
> 
> Even though the WiFi card is Broadcom, Linux Mint has no trouble installing
> a good driver for it — speed was impressive. At least on par with my
> Latitude E7450 (which is pretty good for the MacBook Air since it has half
> the RAM — I don't leave a lot open at once anyhow).

Installing Linux Mint on the MacBook Air was trouble free whereas doing 
the same with Ubuntu required me to download the proprietary drivers 
through a Bluetooth connection to my phone. For that reason alone, Mint 
gets my vote. The fact that it is so much faster only adds to that.

I have to admit I'm not a fan of its keyboard either. It got good 
reviews, but I find it fairly mushy.

-- 
God be with you,

CrudeSausage
John 14:6

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#687842

On 2025-03-23, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
> On 2025-03-22 3:48 p.m., RonB wrote:
>> On 2025-03-22, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>> On 2025-03-21 11:01 p.m., RonB wrote:
>>>> On 2025-03-21, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>>>> On 2025-03-21 1:20 p.m., RonB wrote:
>>>>>> On 2025-03-21, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2025-03-20 10:57 p.m., pothead wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2025-03-20, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 09:31:45 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> If anyone out there is a fan of Snaps, then there is a chance they might
>>>>>>>>>> not be fans of Ubuntu itself. The idea of switching out the GNU tools
>>>>>>>>>> that work perfectly well in favour of rewritten Rust ones is just
>>>>>>>>>> idiotic. I would trust the people who produced the GNU tools decades ago
>>>>>>>>>> a lot more than the filthy hippies who will rewrite them in Rust for a
>>>>>>>>>> theoretical benefit in regards to memory.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I've been running Ubuntu as my main machine. I'm not a fan of GNOME but I
>>>>>>>>> can live with it.  I can also like with snap, flatpak, and AppImage.
>>>>>>>>> Brave is the only app that shows up both in the snap and flatpak list.
>>>>>>>>> There isn't a lot of consistency. Firefox and dotnet are snaps, Vim is a
>>>>>>>>> flatpak.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I've been running MXLinux for a long time, years in fact, but I tried out
>>>>>>>> the latest version of LinuxMint Cinnamon  and on the same hardware it is
>>>>>>>> much, much faster than MXLinux.
>>>>>>>> Especially with regards to loading browsers and surfing.
>>>>>>>> It was painfully slow under MXLinux. Browser didn't matter.
>>>>>>>> It's not even close.
>>>>>>>> I wasn't a fan of LinuxMint in the past but I sure am now.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It's come a long way baby!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm a fan now. It made the pathetic the old hardware feel relatively
>>>>>>> new. Its 5250U processor wasn't even good at the time, but it at least
>>>>>>> feels adequate eight years later.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The 5250U is faster than the 5300U that's in my Dell Latitude E7450 laptop.
>>>>>> But they're pretty closely related. I'm happy with the performance of the
>>>>>> E7450 (I do have 16 GBs of RAM, so that might help.)
>>>>>
>>>>> The Mac's got 8GB with no possibility of upgrading it. I can replace the
>>>>> 128GB it came with, I even have the adapter for it, but Mint doesn't
>>>>> even fill up the 128GB. At 25% wear, I think I can run it for a number
>>>>> of years before needing to switch the storage.
>>>>
>>>> The MacBook Air that I haven't yet sold (2015 version) is also stuck at 8
>>>> GBs. I can't remember what CPU it uses (it looks like a 5250U like yours) by
>>>> the specs I find online. It's also at 128 GBs.
>>>
>>> Tell yourself that if you were a Mac user, you would have no choice but
>>> to bury that thing next to the family dog because it is officially
>>> useless. Of course, with something like Linux Mint, it is still good in
>>> 2025.
>>>
>>> On the other hand, I know that some Mac users that are still rocking
>>> their 2012 machines.
>> 
>> The MacBook Air definitely slowed down when I upgraded from Catalina to
>> Monterey. (If I had realized how quickly Monterey was going to be EOL'd I
>> wouldn't have bothered.) So I tried a Live USB version of Linux Mint
>> Cinnamon 22.1 last night (after figuring out I needed to use the Option key
>> at boot instead of Command+R). Worked well. If the keyboard wasn't so funky
>> I would probably just install Linux Mint and keep it. Maybe I will anyhow, I
>> don't know. I do admit that the build on the Apple MacBooks is pretty nice.
>> (Although I really got it just to test a few Apple-only applications.)
>> 
>> Even though the WiFi card is Broadcom, Linux Mint has no trouble installing
>> a good driver for it — speed was impressive. At least on par with my
>> Latitude E7450 (which is pretty good for the MacBook Air since it has half
>> the RAM — I don't leave a lot open at once anyhow).
>
> Installing Linux Mint on the MacBook Air was trouble free whereas doing 
> the same with Ubuntu required me to download the proprietary drivers 
> through a Bluetooth connection to my phone. For that reason alone, Mint 
> gets my vote. The fact that it is so much faster only adds to that.
>
> I have to admit I'm not a fan of its keyboard either. It got good 
> reviews, but I find it fairly mushy.

I was thinking more in terms of the Macs key layout (I use the Control key a 
lot). The quality of the 2015 MacBook's keyboard is pretty good. But I have 
read in the past that the 2017 MacBook Air was a bit thinner than the 2015 
(and earlier models) and did have issues with a mushy keyboard.

Here's one of many comments on the 2017 keyboard (this one found on 
Reddit) about it...

   2017 here. Owned mine about a year. Keys stick randomly. Thankfully 
   they’ve always come back eventually. Still frustrating as heck. Easily 
   the worst keyboard Apple has ever released, both in terms of reliability 
   and satisfaction. It’s a total POS to type on. Go find a 2015 and wait 
   until Apple realises thinner isn’t always better if it means sacrificing 
   quality and functionality.

Some of the posters in this particular thread thought it might have 
something to do with too much heat.

https://www.reddit.com/r/apple/comments/8ippga/how_bad_are_the_keyboard_issues_on_the_2017_model/

(Now that I look a little closer I see that these comments were specifically 
about the MacBook Pros, not the Airs so, hopefully, they were worse than 
your Air.) I do think however, that they 2017 keyboards were not well 
received. I think they went to a different keyboard a couple years later.

-- 
“Evil is not able to create anything new, it can only distort and destroy 
what has been invented or made by the forces of good.”  —J.R.R. Tolkien

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#687851

On 2025-03-23 3:06 a.m., RonB wrote:
> On 2025-03-23, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>> On 2025-03-22 3:48 p.m., RonB wrote:
>>> On 2025-03-22, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>>> On 2025-03-21 11:01 p.m., RonB wrote:
>>>>> On 2025-03-21, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>>>>> On 2025-03-21 1:20 p.m., RonB wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2025-03-21, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2025-03-20 10:57 p.m., pothead wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 2025-03-20, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 09:31:45 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> If anyone out there is a fan of Snaps, then there is a chance they might
>>>>>>>>>>> not be fans of Ubuntu itself. The idea of switching out the GNU tools
>>>>>>>>>>> that work perfectly well in favour of rewritten Rust ones is just
>>>>>>>>>>> idiotic. I would trust the people who produced the GNU tools decades ago
>>>>>>>>>>> a lot more than the filthy hippies who will rewrite them in Rust for a
>>>>>>>>>>> theoretical benefit in regards to memory.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I've been running Ubuntu as my main machine. I'm not a fan of GNOME but I
>>>>>>>>>> can live with it.  I can also like with snap, flatpak, and AppImage.
>>>>>>>>>> Brave is the only app that shows up both in the snap and flatpak list.
>>>>>>>>>> There isn't a lot of consistency. Firefox and dotnet are snaps, Vim is a
>>>>>>>>>> flatpak.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I've been running MXLinux for a long time, years in fact, but I tried out
>>>>>>>>> the latest version of LinuxMint Cinnamon  and on the same hardware it is
>>>>>>>>> much, much faster than MXLinux.
>>>>>>>>> Especially with regards to loading browsers and surfing.
>>>>>>>>> It was painfully slow under MXLinux. Browser didn't matter.
>>>>>>>>> It's not even close.
>>>>>>>>> I wasn't a fan of LinuxMint in the past but I sure am now.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It's come a long way baby!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm a fan now. It made the pathetic the old hardware feel relatively
>>>>>>>> new. Its 5250U processor wasn't even good at the time, but it at least
>>>>>>>> feels adequate eight years later.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The 5250U is faster than the 5300U that's in my Dell Latitude E7450 laptop.
>>>>>>> But they're pretty closely related. I'm happy with the performance of the
>>>>>>> E7450 (I do have 16 GBs of RAM, so that might help.)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Mac's got 8GB with no possibility of upgrading it. I can replace the
>>>>>> 128GB it came with, I even have the adapter for it, but Mint doesn't
>>>>>> even fill up the 128GB. At 25% wear, I think I can run it for a number
>>>>>> of years before needing to switch the storage.
>>>>>
>>>>> The MacBook Air that I haven't yet sold (2015 version) is also stuck at 8
>>>>> GBs. I can't remember what CPU it uses (it looks like a 5250U like yours) by
>>>>> the specs I find online. It's also at 128 GBs.
>>>>
>>>> Tell yourself that if you were a Mac user, you would have no choice but
>>>> to bury that thing next to the family dog because it is officially
>>>> useless. Of course, with something like Linux Mint, it is still good in
>>>> 2025.
>>>>
>>>> On the other hand, I know that some Mac users that are still rocking
>>>> their 2012 machines.
>>>
>>> The MacBook Air definitely slowed down when I upgraded from Catalina to
>>> Monterey. (If I had realized how quickly Monterey was going to be EOL'd I
>>> wouldn't have bothered.) So I tried a Live USB version of Linux Mint
>>> Cinnamon 22.1 last night (after figuring out I needed to use the Option key
>>> at boot instead of Command+R). Worked well. If the keyboard wasn't so funky
>>> I would probably just install Linux Mint and keep it. Maybe I will anyhow, I
>>> don't know. I do admit that the build on the Apple MacBooks is pretty nice.
>>> (Although I really got it just to test a few Apple-only applications.)
>>>
>>> Even though the WiFi card is Broadcom, Linux Mint has no trouble installing
>>> a good driver for it — speed was impressive. At least on par with my
>>> Latitude E7450 (which is pretty good for the MacBook Air since it has half
>>> the RAM — I don't leave a lot open at once anyhow).
>>
>> Installing Linux Mint on the MacBook Air was trouble free whereas doing
>> the same with Ubuntu required me to download the proprietary drivers
>> through a Bluetooth connection to my phone. For that reason alone, Mint
>> gets my vote. The fact that it is so much faster only adds to that.
>>
>> I have to admit I'm not a fan of its keyboard either. It got good
>> reviews, but I find it fairly mushy.
> 
> I was thinking more in terms of the Macs key layout (I use the Control key a
> lot). The quality of the 2015 MacBook's keyboard is pretty good. But I have
> read in the past that the 2017 MacBook Air was a bit thinner than the 2015
> (and earlier models) and did have issues with a mushy keyboard.
> 
> Here's one of many comments on the 2017 keyboard (this one found on
> Reddit) about it...
> 
>     2017 here. Owned mine about a year. Keys stick randomly. Thankfully
>     they’ve always come back eventually. Still frustrating as heck. Easily
>     the worst keyboard Apple has ever released, both in terms of reliability
>     and satisfaction. It’s a total POS to type on. Go find a 2015 and wait
>     until Apple realises thinner isn’t always better if it means sacrificing
>     quality and functionality.
> 
> Some of the posters in this particular thread thought it might have
> something to do with too much heat.
> 
> https://www.reddit.com/r/apple/comments/8ippga/how_bad_are_the_keyboard_issues_on_the_2017_model/
> 
> (Now that I look a little closer I see that these comments were specifically
> about the MacBook Pros, not the Airs so, hopefully, they were worse than
> your Air.) I do think however, that they 2017 keyboards were not well
> received. I think they went to a different keyboard a couple years later.

All I can say for sure is that I wouldn't feel comfortable typing on the 
2017 keyboard all day. I gave away a Toshiba laptop from around 2007 
which had a stellar keyboard: it had thick keys that traveled as much as 
a typical Logitech keyboard would. That type, unfortunately, has been 
retired in favour of thin and unreliable. After a decade, the Toshiba 
laptop's keyboard was still operational. Mac keyboards, as well as the 
one on the laptop I'm using at the moment, can't seemingly go longer 
than two or three years.

-- 
God be with you,

CrudeSausage
John 14:6

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#687896

On 2025-03-23, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
> On 2025-03-23 3:06 a.m., RonB wrote:
>> On 2025-03-23, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>> On 2025-03-22 3:48 p.m., RonB wrote:
>>>> On 2025-03-22, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>>>> On 2025-03-21 11:01 p.m., RonB wrote:
>>>>>> On 2025-03-21, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2025-03-21 1:20 p.m., RonB wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2025-03-21, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 2025-03-20 10:57 p.m., pothead wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 2025-03-20, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 09:31:45 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> If anyone out there is a fan of Snaps, then there is a chance they might
>>>>>>>>>>>> not be fans of Ubuntu itself. The idea of switching out the GNU tools
>>>>>>>>>>>> that work perfectly well in favour of rewritten Rust ones is just
>>>>>>>>>>>> idiotic. I would trust the people who produced the GNU tools decades ago
>>>>>>>>>>>> a lot more than the filthy hippies who will rewrite them in Rust for a
>>>>>>>>>>>> theoretical benefit in regards to memory.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I've been running Ubuntu as my main machine. I'm not a fan of GNOME but I
>>>>>>>>>>> can live with it.  I can also like with snap, flatpak, and AppImage.
>>>>>>>>>>> Brave is the only app that shows up both in the snap and flatpak list.
>>>>>>>>>>> There isn't a lot of consistency. Firefox and dotnet are snaps, Vim is a
>>>>>>>>>>> flatpak.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I've been running MXLinux for a long time, years in fact, but I tried out
>>>>>>>>>> the latest version of LinuxMint Cinnamon  and on the same hardware it is
>>>>>>>>>> much, much faster than MXLinux.
>>>>>>>>>> Especially with regards to loading browsers and surfing.
>>>>>>>>>> It was painfully slow under MXLinux. Browser didn't matter.
>>>>>>>>>> It's not even close.
>>>>>>>>>> I wasn't a fan of LinuxMint in the past but I sure am now.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> It's come a long way baby!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'm a fan now. It made the pathetic the old hardware feel relatively
>>>>>>>>> new. Its 5250U processor wasn't even good at the time, but it at least
>>>>>>>>> feels adequate eight years later.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The 5250U is faster than the 5300U that's in my Dell Latitude E7450 laptop.
>>>>>>>> But they're pretty closely related. I'm happy with the performance of the
>>>>>>>> E7450 (I do have 16 GBs of RAM, so that might help.)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The Mac's got 8GB with no possibility of upgrading it. I can replace the
>>>>>>> 128GB it came with, I even have the adapter for it, but Mint doesn't
>>>>>>> even fill up the 128GB. At 25% wear, I think I can run it for a number
>>>>>>> of years before needing to switch the storage.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The MacBook Air that I haven't yet sold (2015 version) is also stuck at 8
>>>>>> GBs. I can't remember what CPU it uses (it looks like a 5250U like yours) by
>>>>>> the specs I find online. It's also at 128 GBs.
>>>>>
>>>>> Tell yourself that if you were a Mac user, you would have no choice but
>>>>> to bury that thing next to the family dog because it is officially
>>>>> useless. Of course, with something like Linux Mint, it is still good in
>>>>> 2025.
>>>>>
>>>>> On the other hand, I know that some Mac users that are still rocking
>>>>> their 2012 machines.
>>>>
>>>> The MacBook Air definitely slowed down when I upgraded from Catalina to
>>>> Monterey. (If I had realized how quickly Monterey was going to be EOL'd I
>>>> wouldn't have bothered.) So I tried a Live USB version of Linux Mint
>>>> Cinnamon 22.1 last night (after figuring out I needed to use the Option key
>>>> at boot instead of Command+R). Worked well. If the keyboard wasn't so funky
>>>> I would probably just install Linux Mint and keep it. Maybe I will anyhow, I
>>>> don't know. I do admit that the build on the Apple MacBooks is pretty nice.
>>>> (Although I really got it just to test a few Apple-only applications.)
>>>>
>>>> Even though the WiFi card is Broadcom, Linux Mint has no trouble installing
>>>> a good driver for it — speed was impressive. At least on par with my
>>>> Latitude E7450 (which is pretty good for the MacBook Air since it has half
>>>> the RAM — I don't leave a lot open at once anyhow).
>>>
>>> Installing Linux Mint on the MacBook Air was trouble free whereas doing
>>> the same with Ubuntu required me to download the proprietary drivers
>>> through a Bluetooth connection to my phone. For that reason alone, Mint
>>> gets my vote. The fact that it is so much faster only adds to that.
>>>
>>> I have to admit I'm not a fan of its keyboard either. It got good
>>> reviews, but I find it fairly mushy.
>> 
>> I was thinking more in terms of the Macs key layout (I use the Control key a
>> lot). The quality of the 2015 MacBook's keyboard is pretty good. But I have
>> read in the past that the 2017 MacBook Air was a bit thinner than the 2015
>> (and earlier models) and did have issues with a mushy keyboard.
>> 
>> Here's one of many comments on the 2017 keyboard (this one found on
>> Reddit) about it...
>> 
>>     2017 here. Owned mine about a year. Keys stick randomly. Thankfully
>>     they’ve always come back eventually. Still frustrating as heck. Easily
>>     the worst keyboard Apple has ever released, both in terms of reliability
>>     and satisfaction. It’s a total POS to type on. Go find a 2015 and wait
>>     until Apple realises thinner isn’t always better if it means sacrificing
>>     quality and functionality.
>> 
>> Some of the posters in this particular thread thought it might have
>> something to do with too much heat.
>> 
>> https://www.reddit.com/r/apple/comments/8ippga/how_bad_are_the_keyboard_issues_on_the_2017_model/
>> 
>> (Now that I look a little closer I see that these comments were specifically
>> about the MacBook Pros, not the Airs so, hopefully, they were worse than
>> your Air.) I do think however, that they 2017 keyboards were not well
>> received. I think they went to a different keyboard a couple years later.
>
> All I can say for sure is that I wouldn't feel comfortable typing on the 
> 2017 keyboard all day. I gave away a Toshiba laptop from around 2007 
> which had a stellar keyboard: it had thick keys that traveled as much as 
> a typical Logitech keyboard would. That type, unfortunately, has been 
> retired in favour of thin and unreliable. After a decade, the Toshiba 
> laptop's keyboard was still operational. Mac keyboards, as well as the 
> one on the laptop I'm using at the moment, can't seemingly go longer 
> than two or three years.
>


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