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  Basic question about Linux versions - 3D Linux x <x@x.org> - 2025-03-14 15:57 -0700
    Re: Basic question about Linux versions - 3D Linux vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-03-15 02:13 +0000
    Re: Basic question about Linux versions - 3D Linux RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-03-15 06:40 +0000
      Re: Basic question about Linux versions - 3D Linux pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2025-03-15 15:05 +0000
        Re: Basic question about Linux versions - 3D Linux vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-03-15 15:38 +0000
          Re: Basic question about Linux versions - 3D Linux pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2025-03-15 20:42 +0000
    Re: Basic question about Linux versions - 3D Linux Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-03-15 09:26 +0000
      Re: Basic question about Linux versions - 3D Linux vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-03-15 09:38 +0000
        Re: Basic question about Linux versions - 3D Linux rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-15 19:54 +0000
          Re: Basic question about Linux versions - 3D Linux Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> - 2025-03-15 20:55 +0000
    Re: Basic question about Linux versions - 3D Linux Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> - 2025-03-15 10:38 +0000
      Re: Basic question about Linux versions - 3D Linux vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-03-15 11:13 +0000
        Re: Basic question about Linux versions - 3D Linux vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-03-15 11:25 +0000
      Re: Basic question about Linux versions - 3D Linux chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2025-03-16 08:47 -0500
        Re: Basic question about Linux versions - 3D Linux vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-03-16 13:53 +0000
          Re: Basic question about Linux versions - 3D Linux chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2025-03-18 06:57 -0500
            Re: Basic question about Linux versions - 3D Linux Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-18 17:33 -0400
        Re: Basic question about Linux versions - 3D Linux RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-03-17 07:11 +0000
          Re: Basic question about Linux versions - 3D Linux CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-03-17 08:43 -0400
            Re: Basic question about Linux versions - 3D Linux Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-21 15:41 -0400

#687459 — Basic question about Linux versions - 3D Linux

Probably this has been asked an infinite number of times before
in this usenet group but I do not have an infinite number of times
to surf through an infinite number of posts.

A long time ago the Graphical User Interface came into existence
and this was early on placed upon text operating systems (like
CP/M) often to control program input from storage devices.
(DOS and Windows are examples but there were others.)

People see upon generally two dimensional retinas but it
is often seeing in a three dimensional space.

A lot of operating systems have two dimensional objects
that can be 'on top' or behind other two dimensional
screen spaces, but they are not quite three dimensional
in a virtual 3D space.  The most I can think of at the
moment is how once upon a time one could 'wave a paper'
around slightly on open SUSE a while back, and that
was mostly another 2D image.

Now Windows is only one OS that is generally with
stifled innovation because it does not have a 'free
and open source' license.  Linux however is not
crippled and stifled in that way.  What add ons and
operating systems now exist with 3 dimensional
space as its GUI rather than a 2D one (like most
GUIs)?

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#687468

On Fri, 14 Mar 2025 15:57:14 -0700, x <x@x.org> wrote in
<vr2c8a$27ero$2@dont-email.me>:

> Probably this has been asked an infinite number of times before in this
> usenet group but I do not have an infinite number of times to surf
> through an infinite number of posts.
> 
> A long time ago the Graphical User Interface came into existence and
> this was early on placed upon text operating systems (like CP/M) often
> to control program input from storage devices.
> (DOS and Windows are examples but there were others.)
> 
> People see upon generally two dimensional retinas but it is often seeing
> in a three dimensional space.
> 
> A lot of operating systems have two dimensional objects that can be 'on
> top' or behind other two dimensional screen spaces, but they are not
> quite three dimensional in a virtual 3D space.  The most I can think of
> at the moment is how once upon a time one could 'wave a paper'
> around slightly on open SUSE a while back, and that was mostly another
> 2D image.
> 
> Now Windows is only one OS that is generally with stifled innovation
> because it does not have a 'free and open source' license.  Linux
> however is not crippled and stifled in that way.  What add ons and
> operating systems now exist with 3 dimensional space as its GUI rather
> than a 2D one (like most GUIs)?

Compiz (and Beryl before that) has the ability to "float" windows above
a rotating cube.  Not sure how many people use compiz as their desktop
daily-driver.

Someone has also ported the 3D file manager "fsn" (as seen in
_Jurassic Park_) to Linux -- not sure how stable it is.

I just googled for 3D window managers for Linux, looks like there's
some experiments in this field.  Not much to go on, though.

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#687475

On 2025-03-14, x <x@x.org> wrote:
> Probably this has been asked an infinite number of times before
> in this usenet group but I do not have an infinite number of times
> to surf through an infinite number of posts.
>
> A long time ago the Graphical User Interface came into existence
> and this was early on placed upon text operating systems (like
> CP/M) often to control program input from storage devices.
> (DOS and Windows are examples but there were others.)
>
> People see upon generally two dimensional retinas but it
> is often seeing in a three dimensional space.
>
> A lot of operating systems have two dimensional objects
> that can be 'on top' or behind other two dimensional
> screen spaces, but they are not quite three dimensional
> in a virtual 3D space.  The most I can think of at the
> moment is how once upon a time one could 'wave a paper'
> around slightly on open SUSE a while back, and that
> was mostly another 2D image.
>
> Now Windows is only one OS that is generally with
> stifled innovation because it does not have a 'free
> and open source' license.  Linux however is not
> crippled and stifled in that way.  What add ons and
> operating systems now exist with 3 dimensional
> space as its GUI rather than a 2D one (like most
> GUIs)?

About the only use of 3D in the Linux Desktop that I've seen is the 3D cube. 
I played around with it once. I didn't see much point in it, it seemed more 
like a gimmick than anything else.

But I'm guessing you're speaking of something more complex than that 3D 
cube. 

-- 
“Evil is not able to create anything new, it can only distort and destroy 
what has been invented or made by the forces of good.”  —J.R.R. Tolkien

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#687490

On 2025-03-15, RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 2025-03-14, x <x@x.org> wrote:
>> Probably this has been asked an infinite number of times before
>> in this usenet group but I do not have an infinite number of times
>> to surf through an infinite number of posts.
>>
>> A long time ago the Graphical User Interface came into existence
>> and this was early on placed upon text operating systems (like
>> CP/M) often to control program input from storage devices.
>> (DOS and Windows are examples but there were others.)
>>
>> People see upon generally two dimensional retinas but it
>> is often seeing in a three dimensional space.
>>
>> A lot of operating systems have two dimensional objects
>> that can be 'on top' or behind other two dimensional
>> screen spaces, but they are not quite three dimensional
>> in a virtual 3D space.  The most I can think of at the
>> moment is how once upon a time one could 'wave a paper'
>> around slightly on open SUSE a while back, and that
>> was mostly another 2D image.
>>
>> Now Windows is only one OS that is generally with
>> stifled innovation because it does not have a 'free
>> and open source' license.  Linux however is not
>> crippled and stifled in that way.  What add ons and
>> operating systems now exist with 3 dimensional
>> space as its GUI rather than a 2D one (like most
>> GUIs)?
>
> About the only use of 3D in the Linux Desktop that I've seen is the 3D cube. 
> I played around with it once. I didn't see much point in it, it seemed more 
> like a gimmick than anything else.

I remember trying out that one. Kind of interesting but it tended to get me dizzy
for some reason.
Like you say, a gimmick.

> But I'm guessing you're speaking of something more complex than that 3D 
> cube. 
That's how I read it.


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Filter Free For A While.

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#687492

On Sat, 15 Mar 2025 15:05:22 -0000 (UTC), pothead <pothead@snakebite.com>
wrote in <vr44vi$3o7e1$1@dont-email.me>:

> On 2025-03-15, RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 2025-03-14, x <x@x.org> wrote:
>>> Probably this has been asked an infinite number of times before in
>>> this usenet group but I do not have an infinite number of times to
>>> surf through an infinite number of posts.
>>>
>>> A long time ago the Graphical User Interface came into existence and
>>> this was early on placed upon text operating systems (like CP/M) often
>>> to control program input from storage devices.
>>> (DOS and Windows are examples but there were others.)
>>>
>>> People see upon generally two dimensional retinas but it is often
>>> seeing in a three dimensional space.
>>>
>>> A lot of operating systems have two dimensional objects that can be
>>> 'on top' or behind other two dimensional screen spaces, but they are
>>> not quite three dimensional in a virtual 3D space.  The most I can
>>> think of at the moment is how once upon a time one could 'wave a
>>> paper'
>>> around slightly on open SUSE a while back, and that was mostly another
>>> 2D image.
>>>
>>> Now Windows is only one OS that is generally with stifled innovation
>>> because it does not have a 'free and open source' license.  Linux
>>> however is not crippled and stifled in that way.  What add ons and
>>> operating systems now exist with 3 dimensional space as its GUI rather
>>> than a 2D one (like most GUIs)?
>>
>> About the only use of 3D in the Linux Desktop that I've seen is the 3D
>> cube.
>> I played around with it once. I didn't see much point in it, it seemed
>> more like a gimmick than anything else.
> 
> I remember trying out that one. Kind of interesting but it tended to get
> me dizzy for some reason.
> Like you say, a gimmick.
> 
>> But I'm guessing you're speaking of something more complex than that 3D
>> cube.
> That's how I read it.

Well, at least there's a 3D file manager out there, though
it isn't being maintained.

The "Jurassic Park file manager" (fsn) was cloned into a new
tool for Linux, "fsv".

https://github.com/mcuelenaere/fsv

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#687502

On 2025-03-15, vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> wrote:
> On Sat, 15 Mar 2025 15:05:22 -0000 (UTC), pothead <pothead@snakebite.com>
> wrote in <vr44vi$3o7e1$1@dont-email.me>:
>
>> On 2025-03-15, RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On 2025-03-14, x <x@x.org> wrote:
>>>> Probably this has been asked an infinite number of times before in
>>>> this usenet group but I do not have an infinite number of times to
>>>> surf through an infinite number of posts.
>>>>
>>>> A long time ago the Graphical User Interface came into existence and
>>>> this was early on placed upon text operating systems (like CP/M) often
>>>> to control program input from storage devices.
>>>> (DOS and Windows are examples but there were others.)
>>>>
>>>> People see upon generally two dimensional retinas but it is often
>>>> seeing in a three dimensional space.
>>>>
>>>> A lot of operating systems have two dimensional objects that can be
>>>> 'on top' or behind other two dimensional screen spaces, but they are
>>>> not quite three dimensional in a virtual 3D space.  The most I can
>>>> think of at the moment is how once upon a time one could 'wave a
>>>> paper'
>>>> around slightly on open SUSE a while back, and that was mostly another
>>>> 2D image.
>>>>
>>>> Now Windows is only one OS that is generally with stifled innovation
>>>> because it does not have a 'free and open source' license.  Linux
>>>> however is not crippled and stifled in that way.  What add ons and
>>>> operating systems now exist with 3 dimensional space as its GUI rather
>>>> than a 2D one (like most GUIs)?
>>>
>>> About the only use of 3D in the Linux Desktop that I've seen is the 3D
>>> cube.
>>> I played around with it once. I didn't see much point in it, it seemed
>>> more like a gimmick than anything else.
>> 
>> I remember trying out that one. Kind of interesting but it tended to get
>> me dizzy for some reason.
>> Like you say, a gimmick.
>> 
>>> But I'm guessing you're speaking of something more complex than that 3D
>>> cube.
>> That's how I read it.
>
> Well, at least there's a 3D file manager out there, though
> it isn't being maintained.
>
> The "Jurassic Park file manager" (fsn) was cloned into a new
> tool for Linux, "fsv".
>
> https://github.com/mcuelenaere/fsv
>
It's nice to have so many choices. 

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Filter Free For A While.

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#687477

Le 14-03-2025, x <x@x.org> a écrit :
> What add ons and
> operating systems now exist with 3 dimensional
> space as its GUI rather than a 2D one (like most
> GUIs)?

In fact, each time you have transparency, you have 3D.

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#687478

On 15 Mar 2025 09:26:07 GMT, Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> wrote
in <67d547af$0$29714$426a74cc@news.free.fr>:

> Le 14-03-2025, x <x@x.org> a écrit :
>> What add ons and operating systems now exist with 3 dimensional space
>> as its GUI rather than a 2D one (like most GUIs)?
> 
> In fact, each time you have transparency, you have 3D.

Compositing does sort of have that effect, but I think he
was looking for something more like "lawnmower man" (I think).

https://github.com/capisce/mazecompositor

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#687498

On 15 Mar 2025 09:38:04 GMT, vallor wrote:

> On 15 Mar 2025 09:26:07 GMT, Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr>
> wrote in <67d547af$0$29714$426a74cc@news.free.fr>:
> 
>> Le 14-03-2025, x <x@x.org> a écrit :
>>> What add ons and operating systems now exist with 3 dimensional space
>>> as its GUI rather than a 2D one (like most GUIs)?
>> 
>> In fact, each time you have transparency, you have 3D.
> 
> Compositing does sort of have that effect, but I think he was looking
> for something more like "lawnmower man" (I think).
> 
> https://github.com/capisce/mazecompositor

When the thread started I was thinking more in lines of a Linux distro 
that required you to wear funny glasses with red and green lenses rather 
than using perspective and shadowing to give a depth effect like artists 
have been doing for centuries.

As for rotating desktops, quivering windows, and all the rest of the 
stuff, I can live without it.

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#687503

On 15 Mar 2025 19:54:21 GMT, rbowman wrote:

> 
> As for rotating desktops, quivering windows, and all the rest of the 
> stuff, I can live without it.
>

Until your distro says that they are going 3D then you will have to live
with it just as you are now living with systemd and wayland.

There is no choice for a lackey.


-- 
Systemd: made by assholes for assholes.

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#687479

On Fri, 14 Mar 2025 15:57:14 -0700, x wrote:

>  Linux however is not
> crippled and stifled in that way.  What add ons and
> operating systems now exist with 3 dimensional
> space as its GUI rather than a 2D one (like most
> GUIs)?
>

After a minute of searching, I found this on Reddit:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXv8VlpoK_g

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Looking_Glass


This 3D desktop project is now defunct and it never caught
on.

I can see why.  3D GUIs are a stupid idea.  They are not an
answer looking for a question, but more like a hallucination
looking for a schizophrenic.

Accept the reality.  The ultimate GUI, that of 2D windows,
keyboard, and mouse, is already with us.  It will never get
any better despite many vain attempts to make it better.

It's just like a car.  With the steering wheel, brake and
accelerator pedals, and shift lever, we have attained the
ultimate driver UI.  It can never get any better despite
idiotic attempts to do so.



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#687481

On Sat, 15 Mar 2025 10:38:02 +0000, Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> wrote in
<pan$30006$d20223f3$f7e49a4f$9fbc0d5@linux.rocks>:

> On Fri, 14 Mar 2025 15:57:14 -0700, x wrote:
> 
>>  Linux however is not
>> crippled and stifled in that way.  What add ons and operating systems
>> now exist with 3 dimensional space as its GUI rather than a 2D one
>> (like most GUIs)?
>>
>>
> After a minute of searching, I found this on Reddit:
> 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXv8VlpoK_g
> 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Looking_Glass
> 
> 
> This 3D desktop project is now defunct and it never caught on.
> 
> I can see why.  3D GUIs are a stupid idea.  They are not an answer
> looking for a question, but more like a hallucination looking for a
> schizophrenic.
> 
> Accept the reality.  The ultimate GUI, that of 2D windows, keyboard, and
> mouse, is already with us.  It will never get any better despite many
> vain attempts to make it better.
> 
> It's just like a car.  With the steering wheel, brake and accelerator
> pedals, and shift lever, we have attained the ultimate driver UI.  It
> can never get any better despite idiotic attempts to do so.

I watched the video with interest.

I'm sort of agreeing with you (for a change!), but there are some ideas
from the presentation that both made it in to Beryl/compiz, as well as
could enhance the current desktop experience.

Regarding the latter, I thought that flipping a window around
for annotations made sense -- or generally, annotated bookmarks
of some sort, in a browser-independent fashion.  Also, I was
intrigued by the CD picker application.  I think I would rather it show
album covers, rather than CD's, but that's just me -- also, maybe better
organization, since I have hundreds of music albums, and I can't imagine
what that would look like in a carousel arrangement.

Regarding the former, I remember using Beryl to play a video with
mplayer fullscreen, then rotating the cube to see the video playing
on one face of the cube.  That's a cute trick, but it doesn't really help
with much of anything -- but being able to push a video off to the side
makes some sort of sense, if you have only one monitor.

Of course, if you have two monitors, you can just fullscreen your video
on the second monitor.  (And on that note:  it's a shame that Linux's
NVIDIA DP/HDMI audio drivers will only address one DP/HDMI port at
a time, which means you can only drive one set of monitor-embedded
speakers at a time.)

Finally, there's the fact that Beryl (and I assume, compiz) can have
windows "float" over cube surfaces while rotating, which does give some
3D structure to the whole thing -- you can "see under" windows.  But
nowadays -- with compositing window managers like xfce -- one can have
a window be translucent while dragging it, so you can "see through" a
window at what's underneath.  (I suppose one could call that a
"2.5D window manager".)

Thank you for your post, Farley, that was good advocacy. :)

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#687482

On 15 Mar 2025 11:13:20 GMT, vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> wrote in
<m3l5mgFnvrtU1@mid.individual.net>:

> On Sat, 15 Mar 2025 10:38:02 +0000, Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> wrote
> in <pan$30006$d20223f3$f7e49a4f$9fbc0d5@linux.rocks>:
> 
>> On Fri, 14 Mar 2025 15:57:14 -0700, x wrote:
>> 
>>>  Linux however is not
>>> crippled and stifled in that way.  What add ons and operating systems
>>> now exist with 3 dimensional space as its GUI rather than a 2D one
>>> (like most GUIs)?
>>>
>>>
>> After a minute of searching, I found this on Reddit:
>> 
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXv8VlpoK_g
>> 
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Looking_Glass
>> 
>> 
>> This 3D desktop project is now defunct and it never caught on.
>> 
>> I can see why.  3D GUIs are a stupid idea.  They are not an answer
>> looking for a question, but more like a hallucination looking for a
>> schizophrenic.
>> 
>> Accept the reality.  The ultimate GUI, that of 2D windows, keyboard,
>> and mouse, is already with us.  It will never get any better despite
>> many vain attempts to make it better.
>> 
>> It's just like a car.  With the steering wheel, brake and accelerator
>> pedals, and shift lever, we have attained the ultimate driver UI.  It
>> can never get any better despite idiotic attempts to do so.
> 
> I watched the video with interest.
> 
> I'm sort of agreeing with you (for a change!), but there are some ideas
> from the presentation that both made it in to Beryl/compiz, as well as
> could enhance the current desktop experience.
> 
> Regarding the latter, I thought that flipping a window around for
> annotations made sense -- or generally, annotated bookmarks of some
> sort, in a browser-independent fashion.  Also, I was intrigued by the CD
> picker application.  I think I would rather it show album covers, rather
> than CD's, but that's just me -- also, maybe better organization, since
> I have hundreds of music albums, and I can't imagine what that would
> look like in a carousel arrangement.
> 
> Regarding the former, I remember using Beryl to play a video with
> mplayer fullscreen, then rotating the cube to see the video playing on
> one face of the cube.  That's a cute trick, but it doesn't really help
> with much of anything -- but being able to push a video off to the side
> makes some sort of sense, if you have only one monitor.
> 
> Of course, if you have two monitors, you can just fullscreen your video
> on the second monitor.  (And on that note:  it's a shame that Linux's
> NVIDIA DP/HDMI audio drivers will only address one DP/HDMI port at a
> time, which means you can only drive one set of monitor-embedded
> speakers at a time.)
> 
> Finally, there's the fact that Beryl (and I assume, compiz) can have
> windows "float" over cube surfaces while rotating, which does give some
> 3D structure to the whole thing -- you can "see under" windows.  But
> nowadays -- with compositing window managers like xfce -- one can have a
> window be translucent while dragging it, so you can "see through" a
> window at what's underneath.  (I suppose one could call that a "2.5D
> window manager".)
> 
> Thank you for your post, Farley, that was good advocacy. :)

Also found this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6xDqNhGeEM

https://github.com/collinalexbell/HackMatrix

Apparently prone to crashes, but there if someone wants
to play with it.  (The name sort of puts me in mind
of something that might not be "production" quality...)

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#687542

Farley Flud wrote:

>This 3D desktop project is now defunct and it never caught
>on.
>
>I can see why.  3D GUIs are a stupid idea.  They are not an
>answer looking for a question, but more like a hallucination
>looking for a schizophrenic.
>
>Accept the reality.  The ultimate GUI, that of 2D windows,
>keyboard, and mouse, is already with us.  It will never get
>any better despite many vain attempts to make it better.

Decktop GUI's are certainly a mature technology, with little to
improve upon.  Witness the abject failure of recent attempts to change
it radically.

-- 
"Microsoft is not now nor has it ever been a monopoly. At every point
in Microsoft's existence there was an alternative OS." -  John "mono
means one" Slade

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#687543

On Sun, 16 Mar 2025 08:47:37 -0500, chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote
in <q5ldtjlu7jmb3cho8ocofgc20pk26mcac3@4ax.com>:

> "Microsoft is not now nor has it ever been a monopoly. At every point in
> Microsoft's existence there was an alternative OS." -  John "mono means
> one" Slade

I know you're being ironic, but lest we forget:  it was
once adjudicated as a monopoly.

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#687620

vallor wrote:

> chrisv wrote:
>>
>> "Microsoft is not now nor has it ever been a monopoly. At every point in
>> Microsoft's existence there was an alternative OS." -  John "mono means
>> one" Slade
>
>I know you're being ironic, but lest we forget:  it was
>once adjudicated as a monopoly.

Well, apparently you have not been swayed by the arguments of
fscktarded trolls, many of whom have argued that the existence of any
alternative product, no matter how expensive or obscure, means that
there is no monopoly.

-- 
"How can someone have a monopoly when there is a FREE competitor
freely downloadable and easier to install?"  -  "True Linux advocate"
Hadron Quark

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#687631

chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>vallor wrote:
>> chrisv wrote:
>>>
>>> "Microsoft is not now nor has it ever been a monopoly. At every point in
>>> Microsoft's existence there was an alternative OS." -  John "mono means
>>> one" Slade
>>
>>I know you're being ironic, but lest we forget:  it was
>>once adjudicated as a monopoly.
>
>Well, apparently you have not been swayed by the arguments of
>fscktarded trolls, many of whom have argued that the existence of any
>alternative product, no matter how expensive or obscure, means that
>there is no monopoly.


Even GNU/Linux could be in this context a monopoly, no one's done
other than perhaps Apple's Unix stuff the same thing for an
alternative to the classical Unix, Linux is the kind of platform that
rules by default, claiming an elite status even above and beyond
anything M$ can create.  Apple and Microsoft will talk big about the
latest high-end use factor, but the hands-down winner in every real
respect is Linux.

-- 
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent.  States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

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#687579

On 2025-03-16, chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> Farley Flud wrote:
>
>>This 3D desktop project is now defunct and it never caught
>>on.
>>
>>I can see why.  3D GUIs are a stupid idea.  They are not an
>>answer looking for a question, but more like a hallucination
>>looking for a schizophrenic.
>>
>>Accept the reality.  The ultimate GUI, that of 2D windows,
>>keyboard, and mouse, is already with us.  It will never get
>>any better despite many vain attempts to make it better.
>
> Decktop GUI's are certainly a mature technology, with little to
> improve upon.  Witness the abject failure of recent attempts to change
> it radically.

I never liked change for change sake. Always seemed counter-productive. 
Windows 8 is kind of proof of that.

-- 
“Evil is not able to create anything new, it can only distort and destroy 
what has been invented or made by the forces of good.”  —J.R.R. Tolkien

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#687582

On 3/17/25 03:11, RonB wrote:
> On 2025-03-16, chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>> Farley Flud wrote:
>>
>>> This 3D desktop project is now defunct and it never caught
>>> on.
>>>
>>> I can see why.  3D GUIs are a stupid idea.  They are not an
>>> answer looking for a question, but more like a hallucination
>>> looking for a schizophrenic.
>>>
>>> Accept the reality.  The ultimate GUI, that of 2D windows,
>>> keyboard, and mouse, is already with us.  It will never get
>>> any better despite many vain attempts to make it better.
>>
>> Decktop GUI's are certainly a mature technology, with little to
>> improve upon.  Witness the abject failure of recent attempts to change
>> it radically.
> 
> I never liked change for change sake. Always seemed counter-productive.
> Windows 8 is kind of proof of that.

Everything Windows 8 added was awful, but you could ignore most of it 
and just use 8 the way you would 7. Still, it was a forgettable release.

-- 
God be with you,

CrudeSausage
John 14:6

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#687756

CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:

>Everything Windows 8 added was awful, but you could ignore most of it 
>and just use 8 the way you would 7. Still, it was a forgettable release.


When I got buzzed and on a whim went back to 7 from 8.1, in 2014, I
regretted it.

-- 
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent.  States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

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