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| Started by | Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> |
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| First post | 2024-12-13 19:35 -0500 |
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Intel's co-CEO claims retailers say Qualcomm-powered PCs have high return rates, points to new competitors with Arm chips coming in 2025 Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-13 19:35 -0500
Re: Intel's co-CEO claims retailers say Qualcomm-powered PCs have high return rates, points to new competitors with Arm chips coming in 2025 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-14 00:47 +0000
Re: Intel's co-CEO claims retailers say Qualcomm-powered PCs have high return rates, points to new competitors with Arm chips coming in 2025 Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-13 20:05 -0500
Re: Intel's co-CEO claims retailers say Qualcomm-powered PCs have high return rates, points to new competitors with Arm chips coming in 2025 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-14 06:06 +0000
Re: Intel's co-CEO claims retailers say Qualcomm-powered PCs have high return rates, points to new competitors with Arm chips coming in 2025 Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-14 01:18 -0500
Re: Intel's co-CEO claims retailers say Qualcomm-powered PCs have high return rates, points to new competitors with Arm chips coming in 2025 CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-14 08:27 -0500
Re: Intel's co-CEO claims retailers say Qualcomm-powered PCs have high return rates, points to new competitors with Arm chips coming in 2025 CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-14 08:23 -0500
Re: Intel's co-CEO claims retailers say Qualcomm-powered PCs have high return rates, points to new competitors with Arm chips coming in 2025 -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-12-15 07:07 -0500
Re: Intel's co-CEO claims retailers say Qualcomm-powered PCs have high return rates, points to new competitors with Arm chips coming in 2025 CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-15 10:23 -0500
Re: Intel's co-CEO claims retailers say Qualcomm-powered PCs have high return rates, points to new competitors with Arm chips coming in 2025 CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-14 07:56 -0500
Re: Intel's co-CEO claims retailers say Qualcomm-powered PCs have high return rates, points to new competitors with Arm chips coming in 2025 RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2024-12-14 15:44 +0000
Re: Intel's co-CEO claims retailers say Qualcomm-powered PCs have high return rates, points to new competitors with Arm chips coming in 2025 CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-14 12:55 -0500
Re: Intel's co-CEO claims retailers say Qualcomm-powered PCs have high return rates, points to new competitors with Arm chips coming in 2025 RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2024-12-15 07:23 +0000
Re: Intel's co-CEO claims retailers say Qualcomm-powered PCs have high return rates, points to new competitors with Arm chips coming in 2025 CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-15 10:12 -0500
Re: Intel's co-CEO claims retailers say Qualcomm-powered PCs have high return rates, points to new competitors with Arm chips coming in 2025 RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2024-12-16 10:27 +0000
Re: Intel's co-CEO claims retailers say Qualcomm-powered PCs have high return rates, points to new competitors with Arm chips coming in 2025 CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-16 10:59 -0500
Re: Intel's co-CEO claims retailers say Qualcomm-powered PCs have high return rates, points to new competitors with Arm chips coming in 2025 RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2024-12-17 08:13 +0000
Re: Intel's co-CEO claims retailers say Qualcomm-powered PCs have high return rates, points to new competitors with Arm chips coming in 2025 CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-17 08:57 -0500
Re: Intel's co-CEO claims retailers say Qualcomm-powered PCs have high return rates, points to new competitors with Arm chips coming in 2025 RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2024-12-17 20:30 +0000
Re: Intel's co-CEO claims retailers say Qualcomm-powered PCs have high return rates, points to new competitors with Arm chips coming in 2025 CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-17 18:01 -0500
Re: Intel's co-CEO claims retailers say Qualcomm-powered PCs have high return rates, points to new competitors with Arm chips coming in 2025 Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-12-18 06:00 +0000
Re: Intel's co-CEO claims retailers say Qualcomm-powered PCs have high return rates, points to new competitors with Arm chips coming in 2025 CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-18 08:50 -0500
Re: Intel's co-CEO claims retailers say Qualcomm-powered PCs have high return rates, points to new competitors with Arm chips coming in 2025 Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-12-19 02:04 +0000
Re: Intel's co-CEO claims retailers say Qualcomm-powered PCs have high return rates, points to new competitors with Arm chips coming in 2025 CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-19 08:45 -0500
Re: Intel's co-CEO claims retailers say Qualcomm-powered PCs have high return rates, points to new competitors with Arm chips coming in 2025 Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-12-19 19:53 +0000
Re: Intel's co-CEO claims retailers say Qualcomm-powered PCs have high return rates, points to new competitors with Arm chips coming in 2025 chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2024-12-19 14:34 -0600
Re: Intel's co-CEO claims retailers say Qualcomm-powered PCs have high return rates, points to new competitors with Arm chips coming in 2025 CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-19 17:15 -0500
Re: Intel's co-CEO claims retailers say Qualcomm-powered PCs have high return rates, points to new competitors with Arm chips coming in 2025 chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2024-12-19 18:28 -0600
Re: Intel's co-CEO claims retailers say Qualcomm-powered PCs have high return rates, points to new competitors with Arm chips coming in 2025 CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-19 20:08 -0500
Re: Intel's co-CEO claims retailers say Qualcomm-powered PCs have high return rates, points to new competitors with Arm chips coming in 2025 Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-12-20 01:16 +0000
Re: Intel's co-CEO claims retailers say Qualcomm-powered PCs have high return rates, points to new competitors with Arm chips coming in 2025 CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-20 08:37 -0500
Re: Intel's co-CEO claims retailers say Qualcomm-powered PCs have high return rates, points to new competitors with Arm chips coming in 2025 RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2024-12-20 18:31 +0000
Re: Intel's co-CEO claims retailers say Qualcomm-powered PCs have high return rates, points to new competitors with Arm chips coming in 2025 CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-20 13:42 -0500
Re: Intel's co-CEO claims retailers say Qualcomm-powered PCs have high return rates, points to new competitors with Arm chips coming in 2025 chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2024-12-19 21:03 -0600
Re: Intel's co-CEO claims retailers say Qualcomm-powered PCs have high return rates, points to new competitors with Arm chips coming in 2025 RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2024-12-20 05:56 +0000
Re: Intel's co-CEO claims retailers say Qualcomm-powered PCs have high return rates, points to new competitors with Arm chips coming in 2025 CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-20 08:58 -0500
Re: Intel's co-CEO claims retailers say Qualcomm-powered PCs have high return rates, points to new competitors with Arm chips coming in 2025 RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2024-12-20 18:28 +0000
Re: Intel's co-CEO claims retailers say Qualcomm-powered PCs have high return rates, points to new competitors with Arm chips coming in 2025 CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-20 13:39 -0500
Re: Intel's co-CEO claims retailers say Qualcomm-powered PCs have high return rates, points to new competitors with Arm chips coming in 2025 RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2024-12-21 07:39 +0000
Re: Intel's co-CEO claims retailers say Qualcomm-powered PCs have high return rates, points to new competitors with Arm chips coming in 2025 CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-20 13:56 -0500
Re: Intel's co-CEO claims retailers say Qualcomm-powered PCs have high return rates, points to new competitors with Arm chips coming in 2025 RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2024-12-21 07:45 +0000
Re: Intel's co-CEO claims retailers say Qualcomm-powered PCs have high return rates, points to new competitors with Arm chips coming in 2025 -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-12-21 09:45 -0500
Re: Intel's co-CEO claims retailers say Qualcomm-powered PCs have high return rates, points to new competitors with Arm chips coming in 2025 Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2024-12-20 20:37 +0000
Re: Intel's co-CEO claims retailers say Qualcomm-powered PCs have high return rates, points to new competitors with Arm chips coming in 2025 CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-20 16:51 -0500
Re: Intel's co-CEO claims retailers say Qualcomm-powered PCs have high return rates, points to new competitors with Arm chips coming in 2025 Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2024-12-20 21:57 +0000
Re: Intel's co-CEO claims retailers say Qualcomm-powered PCs have high return rates, points to new competitors with Arm chips coming in 2025 CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-20 17:43 -0500
Re: Intel's co-CEO claims retailers say Qualcomm-powered PCs have high return rates, points to new competitors with Arm chips coming in 2025 RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2024-12-21 07:47 +0000
Re: Intel's co-CEO claims retailers say Qualcomm-powered PCs have high return rates, points to new competitors with Arm chips coming in 2025 CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-21 07:25 -0500
Re: Intel's co-CEO claims retailers say Qualcomm-powered PCs have high return rates, points to new competitors with Arm chips coming in 2025 RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2024-12-21 22:42 +0000
Re: Intel's co-CEO claims retailers say Qualcomm-powered PCs have high return rates, points to new competitors with Arm chips coming in 2025 CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-21 18:19 -0500
Re: Intel's co-CEO claims retailers say Qualcomm-powered PCs have high return rates, points to new competitors with Arm chips coming in 2025 DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> - 2024-12-21 18:26 -0500
Re: Intel's co-CEO claims retailers say Qualcomm-powered PCs have high return rates, points to new competitors with Arm chips coming in 2025 Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-12-22 00:24 +0000
Re: Intel's co-CEO claims retailers say Qualcomm-powered PCs have high return rates, points to new competitors with Arm chips coming in 2025 CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-22 07:12 -0500
Re: Intel's co-CEO claims retailers say Qualcomm-powered PCs have high return rates, points to new competitors with Arm chips coming in 2025 RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2024-12-23 06:31 +0000
Re: Intel's co-CEO claims retailers say Qualcomm-powered PCs have high return rates, points to new competitors with Arm chips coming in 2025 CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-23 11:56 -0500
Re: Intel's co-CEO claims retailers say Qualcomm-powered PCs have high return rates, points to new competitors with Arm chips coming in 2025 RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2024-12-24 09:49 +0000
Re: Intel's co-CEO claims retailers say Qualcomm-powered PCs have high return rates, points to new competitors with Arm chips coming in 2025 Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-24 13:01 -0500
Re: Intel's co-CEO claims retailers say Qualcomm-powered PCs have high return rates, points to new competitors with Arm chips coming in 2025 Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2024-12-27 17:55 -0500
Re: Intel's co-CEO claims retailers say Qualcomm-powered PCs have high return rates, points to new competitors with Arm chips coming in 2025 chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2024-12-21 18:46 -0600
Re: Intel's co-CEO claims retailers say Qualcomm-powered PCs have high return rates, points to new competitors with Arm chips coming in 2025 RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2024-12-22 05:41 +0000
Re: Intel's co-CEO claims retailers say Qualcomm-powered PCs have high return rates, points to new competitors with Arm chips coming in 2025 CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-22 07:27 -0500
Re: Intel's co-CEO claims retailers say Qualcomm-powered PCs have high return rates, points to new competitors with Arm chips coming in 2025 RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2024-12-23 06:44 +0000
Re: Intel's co-CEO claims retailers say Qualcomm-powered PCs have high return rates, points to new competitors with Arm chips coming in 2025 CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-23 11:59 -0500
Re: Intel's co-CEO claims retailers say Qualcomm-powered PCs have high return rates, points to new competitors with Arm chips coming in 2025 -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-12-22 09:24 -0500
Re: Intel's co-CEO claims retailers say Qualcomm-powered PCs have high return rates, points to new competitors with Arm chips coming in 2025 CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-22 11:19 -0500
Re: Intel's co-CEO claims retailers say Qualcomm-powered PCs have high return rates, points to new competitors with Arm chips coming in 2025 -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-12-23 06:18 -0500
Re: Intel's co-CEO claims retailers say Qualcomm-powered PCs have high return rates, points to new competitors with Arm chips coming in 2025 CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-23 12:03 -0500
Re: Intel's co-CEO claims retailers say Qualcomm-powered PCs have high return rates, points to new competitors with Arm chips coming in 2025 -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-12-23 19:14 -0500
Re: Intel's co-CEO claims retailers say Qualcomm-powered PCs have high return rates, points to new competitors with Arm chips coming in 2025 Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2024-12-27 17:16 -0500
Re: Intel's co-CEO claims retailers say Qualcomm-powered PCs have high return rates, points to new competitors with Arm chips coming in 2025 -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-12-29 11:08 -0500
Re: Intel's co-CEO claims retailers say Qualcomm-powered PCs have high return rates, points to new competitors with Arm chips coming in 2025 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-20 01:19 +0000
Re: Intel's co-CEO claims retailers say Qualcomm-powered PCs have high return rates, points to new competitors with Arm chips coming in 2025 RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2024-12-20 05:54 +0000
Re: Intel's co-CEO claims retailers say Qualcomm-powered PCs have high return rates, points to new competitors with Arm chips coming in 2025 CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-20 08:55 -0500
Re: Intel's co-CEO claims retailers say Qualcomm-powered PCs have high return rates, points to new competitors with Arm chips coming in 2025 CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-19 17:14 -0500
Re: Intel's co-CEO claims retailers say Qualcomm-powered PCs have high return rates, points to new competitors with Arm chips coming in 2025 RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2024-12-18 11:09 +0000
Re: Intel's co-CEO claims retailers say Qualcomm-powered PCs have high return rates, points to new competitors with Arm chips coming in 2025 CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-18 09:09 -0500
Re: Intel's co-CEO claims retailers say Qualcomm-powered PCs have high return rates, points to new competitors with Arm chips coming in 2025 RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2024-12-19 08:03 +0000
Re: Intel's co-CEO claims retailers say Qualcomm-powered PCs have high return rates, points to new competitors with Arm chips coming in 2025 CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-19 09:00 -0500
Re: Intel's co-CEO claims retailers say Qualcomm-powered PCs have high return rates, points to new competitors with Arm chips coming in 2025 RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2024-12-20 05:52 +0000
Re: Intel's co-CEO claims retailers say Qualcomm-powered PCs have high return rates, points to new competitors with Arm chips coming in 2025 CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-20 08:54 -0500
Re: Intel's co-CEO claims retailers say Qualcomm-powered PCs have high return rates, points to new competitors with Arm chips coming in 2025 RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2024-12-20 18:20 +0000
Re: Intel's co-CEO claims retailers say Qualcomm-powered PCs have high return rates, points to new competitors with Arm chips coming in 2025 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-18 19:36 +0000
Re: Intel's co-CEO claims retailers say Qualcomm-powered PCs have high return rates, points to new competitors with Arm chips coming in 2025 RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2024-12-19 08:05 +0000
Re: Intel's co-CEO claims retailers say Qualcomm-powered PCs have high return rates, points to new competitors with Arm chips coming in 2025 CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-19 09:02 -0500
Re: Intel's co-CEO claims retailers say Qualcomm-powered PCs have high return rates, points to new competitors with Arm chips coming in 2025 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-19 19:58 +0000
Re: Intel's co-CEO claims retailers say Qualcomm-powered PCs have high return rates, points to new competitors with Arm chips coming in 2025 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-17 20:22 +0000
Re: Intel's co-CEO claims retailers say Qualcomm-powered PCs have high return rates, points to new competitors with Arm chips coming in 2025 RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2024-12-18 11:05 +0000
Re: Intel's co-CEO claims retailers say Qualcomm-powered PCs have high return rates, points to new competitors with Arm chips coming in 2025 CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-18 09:06 -0500
Re: Intel's co-CEO claims retailers say Qualcomm-powered PCs have high return rates, points to new competitors with Arm chips coming in 2025 RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2024-12-19 08:00 +0000
Re: Intel's co-CEO claims retailers say Qualcomm-powered PCs have high return rates, points to new competitors with Arm chips coming in 2025 CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-19 08:59 -0500
Re: Intel's co-CEO claims retailers say Qualcomm-powered PCs have high return rates, points to new competitors with Arm chips coming in 2025 RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2024-12-20 05:51 +0000
Re: Intel's co-CEO claims retailers say Qualcomm-powered PCs have high return rates, points to new competitors with Arm chips coming in 2025 CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-20 08:53 -0500
Re: Intel's co-CEO claims retailers say Qualcomm-powered PCs have high return rates, points to new competitors with Arm chips coming in 2025 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-18 19:43 +0000
Re: Intel's co-CEO claims retailers say Qualcomm-powered PCs have high return rates, points to new competitors with Arm chips coming in 2025 Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2024-12-18 20:01 -0600
Re: Intel's co-CEO claims retailers say Qualcomm-powered PCs have high return rates, points to new competitors with Arm chips coming in 2025 RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2024-12-19 08:02 +0000
Re: Intel's co-CEO claims retailers say Qualcomm-powered PCs have high return rates, points to new competitors with Arm chips coming in 2025 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-19 20:00 +0000
Re: Intel's co-CEO claims retailers say Qualcomm-powered PCs have high return rates, points to new competitors with Arm chips coming in 2025 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-14 20:04 +0000
Re: Intel's co-CEO claims retailers say Qualcomm-powered PCs have high return rates, points to new competitors with Arm chips coming in 2025 CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-15 08:47 -0500
Re: Intel's co-CEO claims retailers say Qualcomm-powered PCs have high return rates, points to new competitors with Arm chips coming in 2025 Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-12-14 22:16 +0000
Re: Intel's co-CEO claims retailers say Qualcomm-powered PCs have high return rates, points to new competitors with Arm chips coming in 2025 CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-15 08:49 -0500
Re: Intel's co-CEO claims retailers say Qualcomm-powered PCs have high return rates, points to new competitors with Arm chips coming in 2025 Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-12-15 22:24 +0000
Re: Intel's co-CEO claims retailers say Qualcomm-powered PCs have high return rates, points to new competitors with Arm chips coming in 2025 CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-15 20:02 -0500
Re: Intel's co-CEO claims retailers say Qualcomm-powered PCs have high return rates, points to new competitors with Arm chips coming in 2025 RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2024-12-16 10:29 +0000
Re: Intel's co-CEO claims retailers say Qualcomm-powered PCs have high return rates, points to new competitors with Arm chips coming in 2025 CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-16 11:02 -0500
Re: Intel's co-CEO claims retailers say Qualcomm-powered PCs have high return rates, points to new competitors with Arm chips coming in 2025 RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2024-12-17 08:19 +0000
Re: Intel's co-CEO claims retailers say Qualcomm-powered PCs have high return rates, points to new competitors with Arm chips coming in 2025 CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-17 09:01 -0500
Re: Intel's co-CEO claims retailers say Qualcomm-powered PCs have high return rates, points to new competitors with Arm chips coming in 2025 RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2024-12-17 20:59 +0000
Re: Intel's co-CEO claims retailers say Qualcomm-powered PCs have high return rates, points to new competitors with Arm chips coming in 2025 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-17 20:20 +0000
Re: Intel's co-CEO claims retailers say Qualcomm-powered PCs have high return rates, points to new competitors with Arm chips coming in 2025 RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2024-12-18 11:03 +0000
Re: Intel's co-CEO claims retailers say Qualcomm-powered PCs have high return rates, points to new competitors with Arm chips coming in 2025 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-18 20:17 +0000
Re: Intel's co-CEO claims retailers say Qualcomm-powered PCs have high return rates, points to new competitors with Arm chips coming in 2025 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-19 05:33 +0000
Re: Intel's co-CEO claims retailers say Qualcomm-powered PCs have high return rates, points to new competitors with Arm chips coming in 2025 RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2024-12-19 07:57 +0000
Re: Intel's co-CEO claims retailers say Qualcomm-powered PCs have high return rates, points to new competitors with Arm chips coming in 2025 RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2024-12-19 07:47 +0000
Re: Intel's co-CEO claims retailers say Qualcomm-powered PCs have high return rates, points to new competitors with Arm chips coming in 2025 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-19 20:01 +0000
Re: Intel's co-CEO claims retailers say Qualcomm-powered PCs have high return rates, points to new competitors with Arm chips coming in 2025 Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2024-12-19 01:53 -0600
Re: Intel's co-CEO claims retailers say Qualcomm-powered PCs have high return rates, points to new competitors with Arm chips coming in 2025 DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> - 2024-12-20 09:29 -0500
Re: Intel's co-CEO claims retailers say Qualcomm-powered PCs have high return rates, points to new competitors with Arm chips coming in 2025 RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2024-12-16 10:28 +0000
Re: Intel's co-CEO claims retailers say Qualcomm-powered PCs have high return rates, points to new competitors with Arm chips coming in 2025 CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-16 11:01 -0500
Re: Intel's co-CEO claims retailers say Qualcomm-powered PCs have high return rates, points to new competitors with Arm chips coming in 2025 RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2024-12-17 08:15 +0000
Re: Intel's co-CEO claims retailers say Qualcomm-powered PCs have high return rates, points to new competitors with Arm chips coming in 2025 CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-17 08:59 -0500
Re: Intel's co-CEO claims retailers say Qualcomm-powered PCs have high return rates, points to new competitors with Arm chips coming in 2025 RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2024-12-17 20:45 +0000
Re: Intel's co-CEO claims retailers say Qualcomm-powered PCs have high return rates, points to new competitors with Arm chips coming in 2025 CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-17 18:03 -0500
Re: Intel's co-CEO claims retailers say Qualcomm-powered PCs have high return rates, points to new competitors with Arm chips coming in 2025 RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2024-12-18 11:20 +0000
Re: Intel's co-CEO claims retailers say Qualcomm-powered PCs have high return rates, points to new competitors with Arm chips coming in 2025 CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-18 09:20 -0500
Re: Intel's co-CEO claims retailers say Qualcomm-powered PCs have high return rates, points to new competitors with Arm chips coming in 2025 -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-12-18 16:27 -0500
Re: Intel's co-CEO claims retailers say Qualcomm-powered PCs have high return rates, points to new competitors with Arm chips coming in 2025 CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-18 19:46 -0500
Re: Intel's co-CEO claims retailers say Qualcomm-powered PCs have high return rates, points to new competitors with Arm chips coming in 2025 pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2024-12-20 01:35 +0000
Re: Intel's co-CEO claims retailers say Qualcomm-powered PCs have high return rates, points to new competitors with Arm chips coming in 2025 RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2024-12-19 08:06 +0000
Re: Intel's co-CEO claims retailers say Qualcomm-powered PCs have high return rates, points to new competitors with Arm chips coming in 2025 CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-14 07:51 -0500
Re: Intel's co-CEO claims retailers say Qualcomm-powered PCs have high return rates, points to new competitors with Arm chips coming in 2025 RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2024-12-14 15:58 +0000
Re: Intel's co-CEO claims retailers say Qualcomm-powered PCs have high return rates, points to new competitors with Arm chips coming in 2025 CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-14 13:01 -0500
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Le 2024-12-22 à 00:41, RonB a écrit : > On 2024-12-21, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote: >> Le 2024-12-21 à 17:42, RonB a écrit : >>> On 2024-12-21, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote: >>>> Le 2024-12-21 à 02:47, RonB a écrit : >>>>> On 2024-12-20, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote: >>>>>> Le 2024-12-20 à 16:57, Stéphane CARPENTIER a écrit : >>>>>>> Le 20-12-2024, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> a écrit : >>>>>>>> Le 2024-12-20 à 15:37, Stéphane CARPENTIER a écrit : >>>>>>>>> Le 20-12-2024, RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> a écrit : >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Open source is not profit driven. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Tell that to Red Hat. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> It's the support not the software that makes Red Hat money. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Not only. With the support comes some tools developed by Red Hat. There >>>>>>> is no clear cut between the part in Red Hat that makes money and the >>>>>>> part in Red Hat that contributes to open source. The part that >>>>>>> contribute to open source help them to make money with the parts that >>>>>>> sell support. And the part that makes money with support help them to >>>>>>> pay for the part that contribute to open source. You wouldn't have one >>>>>>> without the other. >>>>>> >>>>>> You might be right, I'll concede that much. I just know that I would >>>>>> never use anything either IBM or Red Hat makes through the pedophile >>>>>> fruitcakes they employ. >>>>> >>>>> But the "pedophile fruitcakes" are a-okay at Microsoft? >>>> >>>> Microsoft hires progressives, but not pedophiles. Pedophiles are too >>>> busy trying to get dates with 13-year-olds using ElementaryOS to get the >>>> university degrees necessary to get hired at Microsoft. >>> >>> Right. And it's "nice" that you believe that about Microsoft's Woke >>> "progressives." (They're fuzzy and warm, unlike the Woke "progressives" in >>> the Linux world. This transgender crap has one purpose, to give kids the >>> "right" to make their own sexual decisions so pedophile perverts can have >>> sex with kids.) Funny how people can shunt their brains when they become >>> fanboi partisans for a specific product. >> >> I'm not saying that the pedophiles at Microsoft are any more moral than >> the ones in the Linux world; I'm saying that they are at the very least >> university graduates. The work Microsoft demands from them also doesn't >> afford them much time to diddle children whereas open-source developers >> have lots of free time because they usually make their own schedules. > > Bullshit. Universities are where this Woke bullshit brainwashing is > inculcated. If you really think Microsoft is "superior" because they (may) > have more college graduates, then you're more deluded than I thought. That might be true today, but the woke garbage didn't have its place in university when I was there. It was always easy to spot the progressive broad and unless she was very attractive and we wanted to sleep with her, we just ignored everything she had to say as the world should. Progressive women are up there with negroes as the stupidest human beings alive. > And if you think Microsoft's demands on their employees are more intense > than what pressure Open Source developer's put on themselves than I'm > guessing you've never really seen an American corporation "at work." A LOT > of wasted resources. A lot of wasted time, and at a lot of stupid meetings. There are meetings in every field including Education. Part of why meetings are necessary is because anyone working in a place like Microsoft or Google needs to be reminded that they are working with others and that they are sharing resources. As such, if a child-fondler decides that he can write a component alone, not provide any comments and demand that his superiors just "trust him" on the quality of his code, it won't fly. What one does needs to be comprehensible to the other. That's why there is consistency in code like what Apple is selling to consumers. That's why one component in Windows works well with the other. It's not all band-aided together the way that it is in Linux. -- CrudeSausage
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| From | RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2024-12-23 06:44 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <vkb0t6$12pp6$11@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #681064 |
On 2024-12-22, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote: > Le 2024-12-22 à 00:41, RonB a écrit : >> On 2024-12-21, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote: >>> Le 2024-12-21 à 17:42, RonB a écrit : >>>> On 2024-12-21, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote: >>>>> Le 2024-12-21 à 02:47, RonB a écrit : >>>>>> On 2024-12-20, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote: >>>>>>> Le 2024-12-20 à 16:57, Stéphane CARPENTIER a écrit : >>>>>>>> Le 20-12-2024, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> a écrit : >>>>>>>>> Le 2024-12-20 à 15:37, Stéphane CARPENTIER a écrit : >>>>>>>>>> Le 20-12-2024, RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> a écrit : >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Open source is not profit driven. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Tell that to Red Hat. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> It's the support not the software that makes Red Hat money. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Not only. With the support comes some tools developed by Red Hat. There >>>>>>>> is no clear cut between the part in Red Hat that makes money and the >>>>>>>> part in Red Hat that contributes to open source. The part that >>>>>>>> contribute to open source help them to make money with the parts that >>>>>>>> sell support. And the part that makes money with support help them to >>>>>>>> pay for the part that contribute to open source. You wouldn't have one >>>>>>>> without the other. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You might be right, I'll concede that much. I just know that I would >>>>>>> never use anything either IBM or Red Hat makes through the pedophile >>>>>>> fruitcakes they employ. >>>>>> >>>>>> But the "pedophile fruitcakes" are a-okay at Microsoft? >>>>> >>>>> Microsoft hires progressives, but not pedophiles. Pedophiles are too >>>>> busy trying to get dates with 13-year-olds using ElementaryOS to get the >>>>> university degrees necessary to get hired at Microsoft. >>>> >>>> Right. And it's "nice" that you believe that about Microsoft's Woke >>>> "progressives." (They're fuzzy and warm, unlike the Woke "progressives" in >>>> the Linux world. This transgender crap has one purpose, to give kids the >>>> "right" to make their own sexual decisions so pedophile perverts can have >>>> sex with kids.) Funny how people can shunt their brains when they become >>>> fanboi partisans for a specific product. >>> >>> I'm not saying that the pedophiles at Microsoft are any more moral than >>> the ones in the Linux world; I'm saying that they are at the very least >>> university graduates. The work Microsoft demands from them also doesn't >>> afford them much time to diddle children whereas open-source developers >>> have lots of free time because they usually make their own schedules. >> >> Bullshit. Universities are where this Woke bullshit brainwashing is >> inculcated. If you really think Microsoft is "superior" because they (may) >> have more college graduates, then you're more deluded than I thought. > > That might be true today, but the woke garbage didn't have its place in > university when I was there. It was always easy to spot the progressive > broad and unless she was very attractive and we wanted to sleep with > her, we just ignored everything she had to say as the world should. > Progressive women are up there with negroes as the stupidest human > beings alive. It's been true for decades. My uncle was a dissertation short of a PhD and my father rightly made the observation that all his intelligence was "educated out of him." I have no idea about "Progressive" (Woke) women. I never wanted to sleep with anyone I wasn't married to. >> And if you think Microsoft's demands on their employees are more intense >> than what pressure Open Source developer's put on themselves than I'm >> guessing you've never really seen an American corporation "at work." A LOT >> of wasted resources. A lot of wasted time, and at a lot of stupid meetings. > > There are meetings in every field including Education. Part of why > meetings are necessary is because anyone working in a place like > Microsoft or Google needs to be reminded that they are working with > others and that they are sharing resources. As such, if a child-fondler > decides that he can write a component alone, not provide any comments > and demand that his superiors just "trust him" on the quality of his > code, it won't fly. What one does needs to be comprehensible to the > other. That's why there is consistency in code like what Apple is > selling to consumers. That's why one component in Windows works well > with the other. It's not all band-aided together the way that it is in > Linux. Most corporate meetings are a complete waste of time. What they do is enable gutless managers to "pass the buck," and never make a hard decision on their own — or even really know what the hell is going on with those he's supposed to be "managing." As for Microsoft or Apple "quality," I'm guessing whatever quality you're getting is from the engineers who ignore the stupid meetings and other crap the corporate wonks try to saddle them with. I've seen too many of these nepotistic drones to have any faith in corporate management. I'm not a Musk fan, but he basically gutted Twitter of its many corporate wonks. Do you see any major detrimental changes in what's now called X? -- “Evil is not able to create anything new, it can only distort and destroy what has been invented or made by the forces of good.” —J.R.R. Tolkien
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| From | CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> |
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| Date | 2024-12-23 11:59 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <UFgaP.57160$ZAue.55661@fx12.iad> |
| In reply to | #681113 |
Le 2024-12-23 à 01:44, RonB a écrit : > On 2024-12-22, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote: >> Le 2024-12-22 à 00:41, RonB a écrit : >>> On 2024-12-21, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote: >>>> Le 2024-12-21 à 17:42, RonB a écrit : >>>>> On 2024-12-21, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote: >>>>>> Le 2024-12-21 à 02:47, RonB a écrit : >>>>>>> On 2024-12-20, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote: >>>>>>>> Le 2024-12-20 à 16:57, Stéphane CARPENTIER a écrit : >>>>>>>>> Le 20-12-2024, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> a écrit : >>>>>>>>>> Le 2024-12-20 à 15:37, Stéphane CARPENTIER a écrit : >>>>>>>>>>> Le 20-12-2024, RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> a écrit : >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Open source is not profit driven. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Tell that to Red Hat. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> It's the support not the software that makes Red Hat money. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Not only. With the support comes some tools developed by Red Hat. There >>>>>>>>> is no clear cut between the part in Red Hat that makes money and the >>>>>>>>> part in Red Hat that contributes to open source. The part that >>>>>>>>> contribute to open source help them to make money with the parts that >>>>>>>>> sell support. And the part that makes money with support help them to >>>>>>>>> pay for the part that contribute to open source. You wouldn't have one >>>>>>>>> without the other. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> You might be right, I'll concede that much. I just know that I would >>>>>>>> never use anything either IBM or Red Hat makes through the pedophile >>>>>>>> fruitcakes they employ. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> But the "pedophile fruitcakes" are a-okay at Microsoft? >>>>>> >>>>>> Microsoft hires progressives, but not pedophiles. Pedophiles are too >>>>>> busy trying to get dates with 13-year-olds using ElementaryOS to get the >>>>>> university degrees necessary to get hired at Microsoft. >>>>> >>>>> Right. And it's "nice" that you believe that about Microsoft's Woke >>>>> "progressives." (They're fuzzy and warm, unlike the Woke "progressives" in >>>>> the Linux world. This transgender crap has one purpose, to give kids the >>>>> "right" to make their own sexual decisions so pedophile perverts can have >>>>> sex with kids.) Funny how people can shunt their brains when they become >>>>> fanboi partisans for a specific product. >>>> >>>> I'm not saying that the pedophiles at Microsoft are any more moral than >>>> the ones in the Linux world; I'm saying that they are at the very least >>>> university graduates. The work Microsoft demands from them also doesn't >>>> afford them much time to diddle children whereas open-source developers >>>> have lots of free time because they usually make their own schedules. >>> >>> Bullshit. Universities are where this Woke bullshit brainwashing is >>> inculcated. If you really think Microsoft is "superior" because they (may) >>> have more college graduates, then you're more deluded than I thought. >> >> That might be true today, but the woke garbage didn't have its place in >> university when I was there. It was always easy to spot the progressive >> broad and unless she was very attractive and we wanted to sleep with >> her, we just ignored everything she had to say as the world should. >> Progressive women are up there with negroes as the stupidest human >> beings alive. > > It's been true for decades. My uncle was a dissertation short of a PhD and > my father rightly made the observation that all his intelligence was > "educated out of him." > > I have no idea about "Progressive" (Woke) women. I never wanted to sleep > with anyone I wasn't married to. In my 20s, I only cared about looks so it was natural for me to be attracted to _some_ progressive women. They don't usually take care of themselves as well as the conservative women do so they end up being gross fairly quickly though. >>> And if you think Microsoft's demands on their employees are more intense >>> than what pressure Open Source developer's put on themselves than I'm >>> guessing you've never really seen an American corporation "at work." A LOT >>> of wasted resources. A lot of wasted time, and at a lot of stupid meetings. >> >> There are meetings in every field including Education. Part of why >> meetings are necessary is because anyone working in a place like >> Microsoft or Google needs to be reminded that they are working with >> others and that they are sharing resources. As such, if a child-fondler >> decides that he can write a component alone, not provide any comments >> and demand that his superiors just "trust him" on the quality of his >> code, it won't fly. What one does needs to be comprehensible to the >> other. That's why there is consistency in code like what Apple is >> selling to consumers. That's why one component in Windows works well >> with the other. It's not all band-aided together the way that it is in >> Linux. > > Most corporate meetings are a complete waste of time. What they do is enable > gutless managers to "pass the buck," and never make a hard decision on their > own — or even really know what the hell is going on with those he's supposed > to be "managing." I see this in education meetings too. We usually discuss problems and everyone is afraid to offer a solution even though it is obvious what needs to be done. Since I don't care about being liked by my peers, I usually let them speak in circles for a while and then state the obvious. Once I do, the meeting usually ends. > As for Microsoft or Apple "quality," I'm guessing whatever quality you're > getting is from the engineers who ignore the stupid meetings and other crap > the corporate wonks try to saddle them with. I've seen too many of these > nepotistic drones to have any faith in corporate management. > > I'm not a Musk fan, but he basically gutted Twitter of its many corporate > wonks. Do you see any major detrimental changes in what's now called X? I only use Gab. I am a fan of Andrew Torba and his _consistent_ defense of free speech. I will not use a platform which believes in any kind of moderation. -- CrudeSausage
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| From | -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> |
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| Date | 2024-12-22 09:24 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <vk97fr$2ids$4@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #681047 |
On 12/22/24 12:41 AM, RonB wrote: > On 2024-12-21, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote: >> Le 2024-12-21 à 17:42, RonB a écrit : >>> On 2024-12-21, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote: >>>> Le 2024-12-21 à 02:47, RonB a écrit : >>>>> On 2024-12-20, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote: >>>>>> Le 2024-12-20 à 16:57, Stéphane CARPENTIER a écrit : >>>>>>> Le 20-12-2024, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> a écrit : >>>>>>>> Le 2024-12-20 à 15:37, Stéphane CARPENTIER a écrit : >>>>>>>>> Le 20-12-2024, RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> a écrit : >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Open source is not profit driven. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Tell that to Red Hat. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> It's the support not the software that makes Red Hat money. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Not only. With the support comes some tools developed by Red Hat. There >>>>>>> is no clear cut between the part in Red Hat that makes money and the >>>>>>> part in Red Hat that contributes to open source. The part that >>>>>>> contribute to open source help them to make money with the parts that >>>>>>> sell support. And the part that makes money with support help them to >>>>>>> pay for the part that contribute to open source. You wouldn't have one >>>>>>> without the other. >>>>>> >>>>>> You might be right, I'll concede that much. I just know that I would >>>>>> never use anything either IBM or Red Hat makes through the pedophile >>>>>> fruitcakes they employ. >>>>> >>>>> But the "pedophile fruitcakes" are a-okay at Microsoft? >>>> >>>> Microsoft hires progressives, but not pedophiles. Pedophiles are too >>>> busy trying to get dates with 13-year-olds using ElementaryOS to get the >>>> university degrees necessary to get hired at Microsoft. >>> >>> Right. And it's "nice" that you believe that about Microsoft's Woke >>> "progressives." (They're fuzzy and warm, unlike the Woke "progressives" in >>> the Linux world. This transgender crap has one purpose, to give kids the >>> "right" to make their own sexual decisions so pedophile perverts can have >>> sex with kids.) Funny how people can shunt their brains when they become >>> fanboi partisans for a specific product. >> >> I'm not saying that the pedophiles at Microsoft are any more moral than >> the ones in the Linux world; I'm saying that they are at the very least >> university graduates. The work Microsoft demands from them also doesn't >> afford them much time to diddle children whereas open-source developers >> have lots of free time because they usually make their own schedules. > > Bullshit. Universities are where this Woke bullshit brainwashing is > inculcated. If you really think Microsoft is "superior" because they (may) > have more college graduates, then you're more deluded than I thought. Has RonB ever been able to clearly define what 'Woke' actually is? You know ... critical thinking, not propaganda. > And if you think Microsoft's demands on their employees are more intense > than what pressure Open Source developer's put on themselves than I'm > guessing you've never really seen an American corporation "at work." A LOT > of wasted resources. A lot of wasted time, and at a lot of stupid meetings. Big words from a 'retiree' of a dozen random jobs. -hh
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| From | CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> |
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| Date | 2024-12-22 11:19 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <y_W9P.98182$oR74.59838@fx16.iad> |
| In reply to | #681075 |
Le 2024-12-22 à 09:24, -hh a écrit : > On 12/22/24 12:41 AM, RonB wrote: >> On 2024-12-21, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote: >>> Le 2024-12-21 à 17:42, RonB a écrit : >>>> On 2024-12-21, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote: >>>>> Le 2024-12-21 à 02:47, RonB a écrit : >>>>>> On 2024-12-20, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote: >>>>>>> Le 2024-12-20 à 16:57, Stéphane CARPENTIER a écrit : >>>>>>>> Le 20-12-2024, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> a écrit : >>>>>>>>> Le 2024-12-20 à 15:37, Stéphane CARPENTIER a écrit : >>>>>>>>>> Le 20-12-2024, RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> a écrit : >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Open source is not profit driven. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Tell that to Red Hat. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> It's the support not the software that makes Red Hat money. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Not only. With the support comes some tools developed by Red >>>>>>>> Hat. There >>>>>>>> is no clear cut between the part in Red Hat that makes money and >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> part in Red Hat that contributes to open source. The part that >>>>>>>> contribute to open source help them to make money with the parts >>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>> sell support. And the part that makes money with support help >>>>>>>> them to >>>>>>>> pay for the part that contribute to open source. You wouldn't >>>>>>>> have one >>>>>>>> without the other. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You might be right, I'll concede that much. I just know that I would >>>>>>> never use anything either IBM or Red Hat makes through the pedophile >>>>>>> fruitcakes they employ. >>>>>> >>>>>> But the "pedophile fruitcakes" are a-okay at Microsoft? >>>>> >>>>> Microsoft hires progressives, but not pedophiles. Pedophiles are too >>>>> busy trying to get dates with 13-year-olds using ElementaryOS to >>>>> get the >>>>> university degrees necessary to get hired at Microsoft. >>>> >>>> Right. And it's "nice" that you believe that about Microsoft's Woke >>>> "progressives." (They're fuzzy and warm, unlike the Woke >>>> "progressives" in >>>> the Linux world. This transgender crap has one purpose, to give kids >>>> the >>>> "right" to make their own sexual decisions so pedophile perverts can >>>> have >>>> sex with kids.) Funny how people can shunt their brains when they >>>> become >>>> fanboi partisans for a specific product. >>> >>> I'm not saying that the pedophiles at Microsoft are any more moral than >>> the ones in the Linux world; I'm saying that they are at the very least >>> university graduates. The work Microsoft demands from them also doesn't >>> afford them much time to diddle children whereas open-source developers >>> have lots of free time because they usually make their own schedules. >> >> Bullshit. Universities are where this Woke bullshit brainwashing is >> inculcated. If you really think Microsoft is "superior" because they >> (may) >> have more college graduates, then you're more deluded than I thought. > > Has RonB ever been able to clearly define what 'Woke' actually is? The belief that the White man is responsible for all of society's problems, that blacks are not responsible for any of the issues that consistently surround them, that non-White cultures should be allowed free entry into whichever Western nation and be given continuous welfare, that Whites should be dead last in the selection process for promotions or positions, that White as a race should be destroyed through the promotion of interbreeding, that homosexuals are oppressed, that homosexuality should get equal representation in media despite being a minuscule fraction of the population, that equality is not sufficient and that society should instead strive for equity... all of which are meant to destabilize society much like they were during the cultural revolution in China to facilitate entry of Communism. It should also be noted that being reluctant to live in a community with the people mentioned above or their advocates is White supremacy, as is the desire to not be mugged, see your wife raped or your child kidnapped or murdered by those same people. In fact, refusing to allow your taxes to be used to pay for the people above rather than to maintain roads or help out brave men who served your country is also White supremacy. RonB is free to disagree with what I said. Let me just say, however, that I am not interested in any of the dozen links you'll send me as a rebuttal. Communism, Communists and useful progressive idiots and their opinions will not change my mind. The more progressive you are, the closer you are to Corky in Life Goes On, except that he seemed like a fun dude. > You know ... critical thinking, not propaganda. Like the critical thinking you routinely refuse to do by pasting links rather than expressing your opinion in a comprehensible way. You are free to use your barrage of progressive propaganda as a crutch for the opinion they've inserted into your head, but we are also free to refuse to read any of them because we've already seen your shpiel in 1989 <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVcbY3Tf_TE&pp=ygUKY29ya3kgcmFwcw%3D%3D> < snip > -- CrudeSausage
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| From | -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> |
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| Date | 2024-12-23 06:18 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <vkbgun$qaii$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #681079 |
On 12/22/24 11:19 AM, CrudeSausage wrote: > Le 2024-12-22 à 09:24, -hh a écrit : >> On 12/22/24 12:41 AM, RonB wrote: >>> On 2024-12-21, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote: >>>> Le 2024-12-21 à 17:42, RonB a écrit : >>>>> On 2024-12-21, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote: >>>>>> Le 2024-12-21 à 02:47, RonB a écrit : >>>>>>> On 2024-12-20, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote: >>>>>>>> Le 2024-12-20 à 16:57, Stéphane CARPENTIER a écrit : >>>>>>>>> Le 20-12-2024, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> a écrit : >>>>>>>>>> Le 2024-12-20 à 15:37, Stéphane CARPENTIER a écrit : >>>>>>>>>>> Le 20-12-2024, RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> a écrit : >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Open source is not profit driven. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Tell that to Red Hat. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> It's the support not the software that makes Red Hat money. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Not only. With the support comes some tools developed by Red >>>>>>>>> Hat. There >>>>>>>>> is no clear cut between the part in Red Hat that makes money >>>>>>>>> and the >>>>>>>>> part in Red Hat that contributes to open source. The part that >>>>>>>>> contribute to open source help them to make money with the >>>>>>>>> parts that >>>>>>>>> sell support. And the part that makes money with support help >>>>>>>>> them to >>>>>>>>> pay for the part that contribute to open source. You wouldn't >>>>>>>>> have one >>>>>>>>> without the other. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> You might be right, I'll concede that much. I just know that I >>>>>>>> would >>>>>>>> never use anything either IBM or Red Hat makes through the >>>>>>>> pedophile >>>>>>>> fruitcakes they employ. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> But the "pedophile fruitcakes" are a-okay at Microsoft? >>>>>> >>>>>> Microsoft hires progressives, but not pedophiles. Pedophiles are too >>>>>> busy trying to get dates with 13-year-olds using ElementaryOS to >>>>>> get the >>>>>> university degrees necessary to get hired at Microsoft. >>>>> >>>>> Right. And it's "nice" that you believe that about Microsoft's Woke >>>>> "progressives." (They're fuzzy and warm, unlike the Woke >>>>> "progressives" in >>>>> the Linux world. This transgender crap has one purpose, to give >>>>> kids the >>>>> "right" to make their own sexual decisions so pedophile perverts >>>>> can have >>>>> sex with kids.) Funny how people can shunt their brains when they >>>>> become >>>>> fanboi partisans for a specific product. >>>> >>>> I'm not saying that the pedophiles at Microsoft are any more moral than >>>> the ones in the Linux world; I'm saying that they are at the very least >>>> university graduates. The work Microsoft demands from them also doesn't >>>> afford them much time to diddle children whereas open-source developers >>>> have lots of free time because they usually make their own schedules. >>> >>> Bullshit. Universities are where this Woke bullshit brainwashing is >>> inculcated. If you really think Microsoft is "superior" because they >>> (may) >>> have more college graduates, then you're more deluded than I thought. >> >> Has RonB ever been able to clearly define what 'Woke' actually is? > > The belief that the White man is responsible for all of society's > problems, ... Because that posture allows you to play the VICTIM card instead of honestly acknowledging that there's been longstanding systematic advantages to being white (& male) over others...and you want to maintain your status quo of being advantaged. > ...that blacks are not responsible for any of the issues that > consistently surround them, that non-White cultures should be allowed > free entry into whichever Western nation and be given continuous > welfare, ... Which you know are fictitious claims, especially since US immigration policy even since 1964 has highly favored white Europeans over others: see Chinese Exclusion Act. > that Whites should be dead last in the selection process for > promotions or positions, that White as a race should be destroyed > through the promotion of interbreeding, that homosexuals are oppressed, > that homosexuality should get equal representation in media despite > being a minuscule fraction of the population, that equality is not > sufficient and that society should instead strive for equity... Because it wasn't because of Equity that the US got CoVid checks? /s > ...all of which are meant to destabilize society much like they were > during the cultural revolution in China to facilitate entry of Communism. Destabilizes? No, that's not what such a policy does; try again. > It should > also be noted that being reluctant to live in a community with the > people mentioned above or their advocates is White supremacy, as is the > desire to not be mugged, see your wife raped or your child kidnapped or > murdered by those same people. In fact, refusing to allow your taxes to > be used to pay for the people above rather than to maintain roads or > help out brave men who served your country is also White supremacy. Or - you're simply trying to redefine what wealth-based 'class' is, and contriving an excuse for why you shouldn't have to pay a fair share of taxes to society. > RonB is free to disagree with what I said. Let me just say, however, > that I am not interested in any of the dozen links you'll send me as a > rebuttal. Communism, Communists and useful progressive idiots and their > opinions will not change my mind. The more progressive you are, the > closer you are to Corky in Life Goes On, except that he seemed like a > fun dude. Typically, I provide links to preemptively STFU lying assholes and hypocrites; that you're offended by them shows that it works. >> You know ... critical thinking, not propaganda. > > Like the critical thinking you routinely refuse to do by pasting links > rather than expressing your opinion in a comprehensible way. Not my fault that you only comprehend at a 5th grade reading level. > You are > free to use your barrage of progressive propaganda as a crutch for the > opinion they've inserted into your head, but we are also free to refuse > to read any of them because we've already seen your shpiel in 1989 > <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVcbY3Tf_TE&pp=ygUKY29ya3kgcmFwcw%3D%3D> Whatever deluded fantasy lets you get through the day, snowflake. BTW, you inevitably don't know (nor care) that Harvard University's origination of a 'Diversity' policy a century ago was actually an attempt to restore the Status Quo favoritism for the traditional protestant while male Anglo Saxons in student admissions: It was done in response to how an "undesirable minority" had been beating white men on Harvard's --> merits only <-- admissions test, and had risen to ~20% of the student population. I'd provide the cites, but you've claimed to be offended by them... -hh
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| From | CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> |
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| Date | 2024-12-23 12:03 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <yJgaP.38047$DPl.2783@fx13.iad> |
| In reply to | #681119 |
Le 2024-12-23 à 06:18, -hh a écrit : < snipped, unread > Go share your Communist gobbledegook with low-IQ negroes. I have no interest in it. I will only read your posts about technology. -- CrudeSausage
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| From | -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> |
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| Date | 2024-12-23 19:14 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <vkcudf$1bvkd$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #681139 |
On 12/23/24 12:03 PM, CrudeSausage wrote: > Le 2024-12-23 à 06:18, -hh a écrit : > > < snipped, unread > > > Go share your Communist gobbledegook with low-IQ ... That's what I'm doing. > I have no interest in it. Translation: you're a sore loser. > I will only read your posts about technology. Translation: and you know that you're a sore loser too. -hh
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| From | Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> |
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| Date | 2024-12-27 17:16 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <VGFbP.10166$q1_9.4629@fx03.iad> |
| In reply to | #681169 |
On 2024-12-23 19:14, -hh wrote: > On 12/23/24 12:03 PM, CrudeSausage wrote: >> Le 2024-12-23 à 06:18, -hh a écrit : >> >> < snipped, unread > >> >> Go share your Communist gobbledegook with low-IQ ... > > That's what I'm doing. > > >> I have no interest in it. > > Translation: you're a sore loser. > >> I will only read your posts about technology. > > Translation: and you know that you're a sore loser too. Every time I remove you from my filter, I end up regretting it. Back in you go. -- Andrzej (Andre) Matuch Telegram: @AndrzejMatuch
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| From | -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> |
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| Date | 2024-12-29 11:08 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <vkrs6p$12584$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #681397 |
On 12/27/24 5:16 PM, Andrzej Matuch wrote: > On 2024-12-23 19:14, -hh wrote: >> On 12/23/24 12:03 PM, CrudeSausage wrote: >>> Le 2024-12-23 à 06:18, -hh a écrit : >>> >>> < snipped, unread > >>> >>> Go share your Communist gobbledegook with low-IQ ... >> >> That's what I'm doing. >> >> >>> I have no interest in it. >> >> Translation: you're a sore loser. >> >>> I will only read your posts about technology. >> >> Translation: and you know that you're a sore loser too. > > Every time I remove you from my filter, I end up regretting it. Back in > you go. Which is a public admission that you're surrendering to the fact that you can't stand being reminded of how you're a luzer. For as has been noted where you've not stepped up: > The belief that the White man is responsible for all of society's > problems, ... hh> Because that posture allows you to play the VICTIM card instead hh> of honestly acknowledging that there's been longstanding hh> systematic advantages to being white (& male) over others...and hh> you want to maintain your status quo of being advantaged. > ...that blacks are not responsible for any of the issues that > consistently surround them, that non-White cultures should be > allowed free entry into whichever Western nation and be given > continuous welfare, ... hh> Which you know are fictitious claims, especially since US hh> immigration policy even since 1964 has highly favored white hh> Europeans over others: see Chinese Exclusion Act. > that Whites should be dead last in the selection process for > promotions or positions, that White as a race should be destroyed > through the promotion of interbreeding, that homosexuals are > oppressed, that homosexuality should get equal representation in > media despite being a minuscule fraction of the population, that > equality is not sufficient and that society should instead strive > for equity... hh> Because it wasn't because of Equity that the US got CoVid checks? /s > ...all of which are meant to destabilize society much like they > were during the cultural revolution in China to facilitate entry > of Communism. hh> Destabilizes? No, that's not what such a policy does; try again. > It should also be noted that being reluctant to live in a community > with the people mentioned above or their advocates is White supremacy, > as is the desire to not be mugged, see your wife raped or your child > kidnapped or murdered by those same people. In fact, refusing to > allow your taxes to be used to pay for the people above rather than > to maintain roads or help out brave men who served your country is > also White supremacy. hh> Or - you're simply trying to redefine what wealth-based 'class' is, hh> and contriving an excuse for why you shouldn't have to pay a fair hh> share of taxes to society. > RonB is free to disagree with what I said. Let me just say, however, > that I am not interested in any of the dozen links you'll send me > as a rebuttal. Communism, Communists and useful progressive idiots > and their opinions will not change my mind. The more progressive > you are, the closer you are to Corky in Life Goes On, except that > he seemed like a fun dude. hh> Typically, I provide links to preemptively STFU lying assholes hh> and hypocrites; that you're offended by them shows that it works. >> You know ... critical thinking, not propaganda. > > Like the critical thinking you routinely refuse to do by pasting > links rather than expressing your opinion in a comprehensible way. hh> Not my fault that you only comprehend at a 5th grade reading level. > You are free to use your barrage of progressive propaganda as a > crutch for the opinion they've inserted into your head, but we > are also free to refuse to read any of them because we've already > seen your shpiel in 1989 <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVcbY3Tf_TE&pp=ygUKY29ya3kgcmFwcw%3D%3D> hh> Whatever deluded fantasy lets you get through the day, snowflake. hh> BTW, you inevitably don't know (nor care) that Harvard University's hh> origination of a 'Diversity' policy a century ago was actually hh> an attempt to restore the Status Quo favoritism for the hh> traditional protestant while male Anglo Saxons in student hh> admissions: hh> hh> It was done in response to how an "undesirable minority" had hh> been beating white men on Harvard's --> merits only <-- admissions hh> test, and had risen to ~20% of the student population. hh> hh> I'd provide the cites, but you've claimed to be offended by them... Plus this week's update is how Elon and Vivek has prompted a civil war within MAGA on their support for more immigrants on H1-B visas because Americans are lazy and uneducated...and DJT is supporting the Tech Bros over his 'American First' base. Seems that they're shocked that the face eating leopard has chosen to eat their face. And one URL, just in case you've entirely missed this week's news: "Trump sides with tech bosses in Maga fight over immigrant visas" <https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/clyv7gxp02yo> TL;DR: now live with the consequences of who you voted for, MAGA. -hh
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2024-12-20 01:19 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <lsjv0cF3b02U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #680830 |
On Thu, 19 Dec 2024 18:28:07 -0600, chrisv wrote: > CrudeSausage wrote: > >>Le 2024-12-19 à 15:34, chrisv a écrit : >>> Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: >>> >>>> Linux is the only platform that offers a full suite of software >>>> native for both ARM and x86 (both 32- and 64-bit). Nobody else does. >>> >>> Payware vendors can't compete with the efficiency of FOSS. >> >>They can: they eventually implement features that the open-source world >>will copy and implement later in a more rudimentary form. > > So where's the payware OS and software for, say, Raspbarry Pi? Windows 11! Some people with way to much time on their hands kind of, sort of got it to come up. https://all3dp.com/2/install-windows-11-raspberry-pi-5/ I've got the CanaKit pictured and it's well worth the few extra bucks to get the case, fan, power supply, and cables. It comes with Raspberry Pi OS on a microSD which was good enough for me. I've got other projects than see what other distros might work.
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| From | RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2024-12-20 05:54 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <vk30qr$3a4kl$5@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #680822 |
On 2024-12-19, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote: > Le 2024-12-19 à 15:34, chrisv a écrit : >> Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: >> >>> Linux is the only platform that offers a full suite of software native for >>> both ARM and x86 (both 32- and 64-bit). Nobody else does. >> >> Payware vendors can't compete with the efficiency of FOSS. > > They can: they eventually implement features that the open-source world > will copy and implement later in a more rudimentary form. And vice versa. -- “Evil is not able to create anything new, it can only distort and destroy what has been invented or made by the forces of good.” —J.R.R. Tolkien
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| From | CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> |
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| Date | 2024-12-20 08:55 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <IHe9P.31193$0O61.16879@fx15.iad> |
| In reply to | #680855 |
Le 2024-12-20 à 00:54, RonB a écrit : > On 2024-12-19, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote: >> Le 2024-12-19 à 15:34, chrisv a écrit : >>> Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: >>> >>>> Linux is the only platform that offers a full suite of software native for >>>> both ARM and x86 (both 32- and 64-bit). Nobody else does. >>> >>> Payware vendors can't compete with the efficiency of FOSS. >> >> They can: they eventually implement features that the open-source world >> will copy and implement later in a more rudimentary form. > > And vice versa. Admittedly, "rudimentary" is the key word when talking about the Windows Store. You can find software there, but it's rather poor in comparison to the win32 stuff you'll find on the web. To think that Microsoft offers you the option to only obtain software from there in Windows... -- CrudeSausage
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| From | CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> |
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| Date | 2024-12-19 17:14 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <jV09P.18858$DPl.16818@fx13.iad> |
| In reply to | #680807 |
Le 2024-12-19 à 14:53, Lawrence D'Oliveiro a écrit : > On Thu, 19 Dec 2024 08:45:43 -0500, CrudeSausage wrote: > >> Le 2024-12-18 à 21:04, Lawrence D'Oliveiro a écrit : >> >>> On Wed, 18 Dec 2024 08:50:15 -0500, CrudeSausage wrote: >>> >>>> Except that Apple already has a ton of the software running natively >>>> on ARM ... >>> >>> Sure, if Apple stuff is sufficient for you. Linux stuff runs natively >>> on ARM and a bunch of other architectures, as well. >> >> It does, but Linux's stuff is already hard to sell on x86-64 so you can >> imagine how alluring it is on ARM. > > Linux is the only platform that offers a full suite of software native for > both ARM and x86 (both 32- and 64-bit). Nobody else does. Agreed, that's why it is a much better choice for a non-Apple ARM computer than Windows. -- CrudeSausage
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| From | RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2024-12-18 11:09 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <vjuagh$28obp$5@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #680650 |
On 2024-12-17, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote: > Le 2024-12-17 à 15:30, RonB a écrit : >> On 2024-12-17, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote: >>> Le 2024-12-17 à 03:13, RonB a écrit : >>>> On 2024-12-16, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote: >>>>> Le 2024-12-16 à 05:27, RonB a écrit : >>>>>> On 2024-12-15, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote: >>>>>>> Le 2024-12-15 à 02:23, RonB a écrit : >>>>>>>> On 2024-12-14, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote: >>>>>>>>> Le 2024-12-14 à 10:44, RonB a écrit : >>>>>>>>>> On 2024-12-14, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Higher performance per watt which leads to lower power use and therefore >>>>>>>>>>> improved battery life. Whether Intel and AMD want to admit it or not, >>>>>>>>>>> people _do_ want to have a computer which can handle a whole day's work >>>>>>>>>>> on a single charge and which won't increase electrical bills. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> While I agree that most people want longer battery life for their laptops, I >>>>>>>>>> really don't think the cost of charging a laptop is that big of a concern. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Not to a person who lives in an area where electricity is cheap. >>>>>>>>> However, it is only going to become more expensive in places like Europe >>>>>>>>> where its production depend on a resource acquired from Russia. The same >>>>>>>>> way they switched to fuel-efficient or electric cars to lower their >>>>>>>>> reliance on gasoline, they are probably going to switch to >>>>>>>>> energy-efficient machines to reduce their need for electricity altogether. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> If things are getting that dire in Europe they're going to have to learn >>>>>>>> to live without computers at all. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If this were the 80s and Europe were facing these issues, I imagine that >>>>>>> either Atari or Commodore would have produced a very efficient computer >>>>>>> which would only need to be charged once daily. Let's not forget how >>>>>>> popular the ST and the Amiga were over there while they were failing >>>>>>> miserably in North America. Because both companies are dead, the most >>>>>>> likely scenario is that they will move to the efficient machines made by >>>>>>> Apple or equipped with Qualcomm's processors. I do not think that their >>>>>>> energy crisis is going to get better anytime soon. >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm sorry, but I'm skeptical that the electricity needed to charge a laptop >>>>>> is that big of a concern, even in Europe. >>>>> >>>>> In that case, you should look at how Germany's economy is tanking, >>>>> specifically the result of a lack of cheap oil coming in from Russia. >>>>> You can imagine that the smaller supply of oil will result in electrical >>>>> production being more expensive and for the power bills to be much >>>>> higher for the average German. As a result, they are not as likely as >>>>> they once might have been to buy the powerful PC which requires 800W of >>>>> power to play a game every hour. >>>> >>>> I don't have to "imagine" that the lack of cheap Russian gas is hurting >>>> Germany's economy (that's plain to see every day in the international news). >>>> I'm just having trouble imagining that this is resulting in angst about the >>>> amount of electricity required to charge a laptop. >>> >>> If the price you pay for electricity doubles, you are likely to look at >>> the devices in your house and make changes in the kind of machine you >>> buy. The promise of charging once a day rather than keeping a machine >>> plugged is likely to be a benefit to a European. The people of North >>> America probably won't care as much since power is cheap here. >> >> Hypotheticals. I'll remain skeptical that this will be a major issue. >> (Unless, of course, there is no power at all — which may be a reality in >> Europe if they keep going down the destructive paths they've chosen. In that >> case keeping food from spoiling will probably take priority over laptop >> charging — of any kind). > > Only as long as whatever work you do doesn't depend on you having a > computer. > >>>> I purposely use low power laptops and micro desktops because it's all I need >>>> and I don't like the background sound of fans. These all run Intel CPUs >>>> (except for the Wyse 5060 thin client desktop — it uses a low power AMD >>>> CPU). >>>> >>>> And, as usual, the standard disclaimer, I don't play Windows' video games or >>>> use high-end (watt gobbling) GPUs. I'm not sure, though, that ARM chips will >>>> be running these games in the future. (I guess we'll see.) >>> >>> ARM might, but I don't care to stick around to find out. At best, I >>> would imagine that ARM will play today's games as well as today's x86-64 >>> PCs around 2027 or so through some compatibility layer. If it happens >>> sooner, all the better. >> >> I'm guessing the power required to run Windows complex video games will not >> fit in ARM's low-power "wheelhouse." But we'll see. As I've mentioned (many >> times now) I'm not a game player. > > ARM being low-power doesn't mean that it is low-performance. As the > Apple processors have shown, they're a lot more powerful than x86-64 > processors on single-core applications. They're only worse on multi-core > and even then, not by much. ARM basically allows people to have > performance like they currently have but through much less battery power. I'll watch and see what happens. I don't anticipate getting an ARM laptop (or desktop) in the near future — but then I don't anticipate buying any new computers at all in the next ten years (or so). -- “Evil is not able to create anything new, it can only distort and destroy what has been invented or made by the forces of good.” —J.R.R. Tolkien
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| From | CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> |
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| Date | 2024-12-18 09:09 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <aIA8P.27118$Uup4.23646@fx10.iad> |
| In reply to | #680686 |
Le 2024-12-18 à 06:09, RonB a écrit : > On 2024-12-17, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote: >> Le 2024-12-17 à 15:30, RonB a écrit : >>> On 2024-12-17, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote: >>>> Le 2024-12-17 à 03:13, RonB a écrit : >>>>> On 2024-12-16, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote: >>>>>> Le 2024-12-16 à 05:27, RonB a écrit : >>>>>>> On 2024-12-15, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote: >>>>>>>> Le 2024-12-15 à 02:23, RonB a écrit : >>>>>>>>> On 2024-12-14, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> Le 2024-12-14 à 10:44, RonB a écrit : >>>>>>>>>>> On 2024-12-14, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Higher performance per watt which leads to lower power use and therefore >>>>>>>>>>>> improved battery life. Whether Intel and AMD want to admit it or not, >>>>>>>>>>>> people _do_ want to have a computer which can handle a whole day's work >>>>>>>>>>>> on a single charge and which won't increase electrical bills. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> While I agree that most people want longer battery life for their laptops, I >>>>>>>>>>> really don't think the cost of charging a laptop is that big of a concern. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Not to a person who lives in an area where electricity is cheap. >>>>>>>>>> However, it is only going to become more expensive in places like Europe >>>>>>>>>> where its production depend on a resource acquired from Russia. The same >>>>>>>>>> way they switched to fuel-efficient or electric cars to lower their >>>>>>>>>> reliance on gasoline, they are probably going to switch to >>>>>>>>>> energy-efficient machines to reduce their need for electricity altogether. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> If things are getting that dire in Europe they're going to have to learn >>>>>>>>> to live without computers at all. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> If this were the 80s and Europe were facing these issues, I imagine that >>>>>>>> either Atari or Commodore would have produced a very efficient computer >>>>>>>> which would only need to be charged once daily. Let's not forget how >>>>>>>> popular the ST and the Amiga were over there while they were failing >>>>>>>> miserably in North America. Because both companies are dead, the most >>>>>>>> likely scenario is that they will move to the efficient machines made by >>>>>>>> Apple or equipped with Qualcomm's processors. I do not think that their >>>>>>>> energy crisis is going to get better anytime soon. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm sorry, but I'm skeptical that the electricity needed to charge a laptop >>>>>>> is that big of a concern, even in Europe. >>>>>> >>>>>> In that case, you should look at how Germany's economy is tanking, >>>>>> specifically the result of a lack of cheap oil coming in from Russia. >>>>>> You can imagine that the smaller supply of oil will result in electrical >>>>>> production being more expensive and for the power bills to be much >>>>>> higher for the average German. As a result, they are not as likely as >>>>>> they once might have been to buy the powerful PC which requires 800W of >>>>>> power to play a game every hour. >>>>> >>>>> I don't have to "imagine" that the lack of cheap Russian gas is hurting >>>>> Germany's economy (that's plain to see every day in the international news). >>>>> I'm just having trouble imagining that this is resulting in angst about the >>>>> amount of electricity required to charge a laptop. >>>> >>>> If the price you pay for electricity doubles, you are likely to look at >>>> the devices in your house and make changes in the kind of machine you >>>> buy. The promise of charging once a day rather than keeping a machine >>>> plugged is likely to be a benefit to a European. The people of North >>>> America probably won't care as much since power is cheap here. >>> >>> Hypotheticals. I'll remain skeptical that this will be a major issue. >>> (Unless, of course, there is no power at all — which may be a reality in >>> Europe if they keep going down the destructive paths they've chosen. In that >>> case keeping food from spoiling will probably take priority over laptop >>> charging — of any kind). >> >> Only as long as whatever work you do doesn't depend on you having a >> computer. >> >>>>> I purposely use low power laptops and micro desktops because it's all I need >>>>> and I don't like the background sound of fans. These all run Intel CPUs >>>>> (except for the Wyse 5060 thin client desktop — it uses a low power AMD >>>>> CPU). >>>>> >>>>> And, as usual, the standard disclaimer, I don't play Windows' video games or >>>>> use high-end (watt gobbling) GPUs. I'm not sure, though, that ARM chips will >>>>> be running these games in the future. (I guess we'll see.) >>>> >>>> ARM might, but I don't care to stick around to find out. At best, I >>>> would imagine that ARM will play today's games as well as today's x86-64 >>>> PCs around 2027 or so through some compatibility layer. If it happens >>>> sooner, all the better. >>> >>> I'm guessing the power required to run Windows complex video games will not >>> fit in ARM's low-power "wheelhouse." But we'll see. As I've mentioned (many >>> times now) I'm not a game player. >> >> ARM being low-power doesn't mean that it is low-performance. As the >> Apple processors have shown, they're a lot more powerful than x86-64 >> processors on single-core applications. They're only worse on multi-core >> and even then, not by much. ARM basically allows people to have >> performance like they currently have but through much less battery power. > > I'll watch and see what happens. I don't anticipate getting an ARM laptop > (or desktop) in the near future — but then I don't anticipate buying any new > computers at all in the next ten years (or so). I'm trying to hold onto the one I have for as long as possible too, but I know that it's just a matter of time before the keyboard's keys stop working as they should and the parts to fix issue stop being available. When that happens, I'll have no choice but to get another one. -- CrudeSausage
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| From | RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2024-12-19 08:03 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <vk0k17$2osc7$6@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #680702 |
On 2024-12-18, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote: > Le 2024-12-18 à 06:09, RonB a écrit : >> On 2024-12-17, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote: >>> Le 2024-12-17 à 15:30, RonB a écrit : >>>> On 2024-12-17, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote: >>>>> Le 2024-12-17 à 03:13, RonB a écrit : >>>>>> On 2024-12-16, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote: >>>>>>> Le 2024-12-16 à 05:27, RonB a écrit : >>>>>>>> On 2024-12-15, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote: >>>>>>>>> Le 2024-12-15 à 02:23, RonB a écrit : >>>>>>>>>> On 2024-12-14, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> Le 2024-12-14 à 10:44, RonB a écrit : >>>>>>>>>>>> On 2024-12-14, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Higher performance per watt which leads to lower power use and therefore >>>>>>>>>>>>> improved battery life. Whether Intel and AMD want to admit it or not, >>>>>>>>>>>>> people _do_ want to have a computer which can handle a whole day's work >>>>>>>>>>>>> on a single charge and which won't increase electrical bills. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> While I agree that most people want longer battery life for their laptops, I >>>>>>>>>>>> really don't think the cost of charging a laptop is that big of a concern. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Not to a person who lives in an area where electricity is cheap. >>>>>>>>>>> However, it is only going to become more expensive in places like Europe >>>>>>>>>>> where its production depend on a resource acquired from Russia. The same >>>>>>>>>>> way they switched to fuel-efficient or electric cars to lower their >>>>>>>>>>> reliance on gasoline, they are probably going to switch to >>>>>>>>>>> energy-efficient machines to reduce their need for electricity altogether. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> If things are getting that dire in Europe they're going to have to learn >>>>>>>>>> to live without computers at all. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> If this were the 80s and Europe were facing these issues, I imagine that >>>>>>>>> either Atari or Commodore would have produced a very efficient computer >>>>>>>>> which would only need to be charged once daily. Let's not forget how >>>>>>>>> popular the ST and the Amiga were over there while they were failing >>>>>>>>> miserably in North America. Because both companies are dead, the most >>>>>>>>> likely scenario is that they will move to the efficient machines made by >>>>>>>>> Apple or equipped with Qualcomm's processors. I do not think that their >>>>>>>>> energy crisis is going to get better anytime soon. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I'm sorry, but I'm skeptical that the electricity needed to charge a laptop >>>>>>>> is that big of a concern, even in Europe. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> In that case, you should look at how Germany's economy is tanking, >>>>>>> specifically the result of a lack of cheap oil coming in from Russia. >>>>>>> You can imagine that the smaller supply of oil will result in electrical >>>>>>> production being more expensive and for the power bills to be much >>>>>>> higher for the average German. As a result, they are not as likely as >>>>>>> they once might have been to buy the powerful PC which requires 800W of >>>>>>> power to play a game every hour. >>>>>> >>>>>> I don't have to "imagine" that the lack of cheap Russian gas is hurting >>>>>> Germany's economy (that's plain to see every day in the international news). >>>>>> I'm just having trouble imagining that this is resulting in angst about the >>>>>> amount of electricity required to charge a laptop. >>>>> >>>>> If the price you pay for electricity doubles, you are likely to look at >>>>> the devices in your house and make changes in the kind of machine you >>>>> buy. The promise of charging once a day rather than keeping a machine >>>>> plugged is likely to be a benefit to a European. The people of North >>>>> America probably won't care as much since power is cheap here. >>>> >>>> Hypotheticals. I'll remain skeptical that this will be a major issue. >>>> (Unless, of course, there is no power at all — which may be a reality in >>>> Europe if they keep going down the destructive paths they've chosen. In that >>>> case keeping food from spoiling will probably take priority over laptop >>>> charging — of any kind). >>> >>> Only as long as whatever work you do doesn't depend on you having a >>> computer. >>> >>>>>> I purposely use low power laptops and micro desktops because it's all I need >>>>>> and I don't like the background sound of fans. These all run Intel CPUs >>>>>> (except for the Wyse 5060 thin client desktop — it uses a low power AMD >>>>>> CPU). >>>>>> >>>>>> And, as usual, the standard disclaimer, I don't play Windows' video games or >>>>>> use high-end (watt gobbling) GPUs. I'm not sure, though, that ARM chips will >>>>>> be running these games in the future. (I guess we'll see.) >>>>> >>>>> ARM might, but I don't care to stick around to find out. At best, I >>>>> would imagine that ARM will play today's games as well as today's x86-64 >>>>> PCs around 2027 or so through some compatibility layer. If it happens >>>>> sooner, all the better. >>>> >>>> I'm guessing the power required to run Windows complex video games will not >>>> fit in ARM's low-power "wheelhouse." But we'll see. As I've mentioned (many >>>> times now) I'm not a game player. >>> >>> ARM being low-power doesn't mean that it is low-performance. As the >>> Apple processors have shown, they're a lot more powerful than x86-64 >>> processors on single-core applications. They're only worse on multi-core >>> and even then, not by much. ARM basically allows people to have >>> performance like they currently have but through much less battery power. >> >> I'll watch and see what happens. I don't anticipate getting an ARM laptop >> (or desktop) in the near future — but then I don't anticipate buying any new >> computers at all in the next ten years (or so). > > I'm trying to hold onto the one I have for as long as possible too, but > I know that it's just a matter of time before the keyboard's keys stop > working as they should and the parts to fix issue stop being available. > When that happens, I'll have no choice but to get another one. That's another advantage of Dell Latitudes. They made so many of them that parts are widely available and cheap. -- “Evil is not able to create anything new, it can only distort and destroy what has been invented or made by the forces of good.” —J.R.R. Tolkien
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| From | CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> |
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| Date | 2024-12-19 09:00 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <qGV8P.24084$0O61.18884@fx15.iad> |
| In reply to | #680770 |
Le 2024-12-19 à 03:03, RonB a écrit : > On 2024-12-18, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote: >> Le 2024-12-18 à 06:09, RonB a écrit : >>> On 2024-12-17, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote: >>>> Le 2024-12-17 à 15:30, RonB a écrit : >>>>> On 2024-12-17, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote: >>>>>> Le 2024-12-17 à 03:13, RonB a écrit : >>>>>>> On 2024-12-16, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote: >>>>>>>> Le 2024-12-16 à 05:27, RonB a écrit : >>>>>>>>> On 2024-12-15, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> Le 2024-12-15 à 02:23, RonB a écrit : >>>>>>>>>>> On 2024-12-14, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> Le 2024-12-14 à 10:44, RonB a écrit : >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2024-12-14, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Higher performance per watt which leads to lower power use and therefore >>>>>>>>>>>>>> improved battery life. Whether Intel and AMD want to admit it or not, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> people _do_ want to have a computer which can handle a whole day's work >>>>>>>>>>>>>> on a single charge and which won't increase electrical bills. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> While I agree that most people want longer battery life for their laptops, I >>>>>>>>>>>>> really don't think the cost of charging a laptop is that big of a concern. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Not to a person who lives in an area where electricity is cheap. >>>>>>>>>>>> However, it is only going to become more expensive in places like Europe >>>>>>>>>>>> where its production depend on a resource acquired from Russia. The same >>>>>>>>>>>> way they switched to fuel-efficient or electric cars to lower their >>>>>>>>>>>> reliance on gasoline, they are probably going to switch to >>>>>>>>>>>> energy-efficient machines to reduce their need for electricity altogether. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> If things are getting that dire in Europe they're going to have to learn >>>>>>>>>>> to live without computers at all. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> If this were the 80s and Europe were facing these issues, I imagine that >>>>>>>>>> either Atari or Commodore would have produced a very efficient computer >>>>>>>>>> which would only need to be charged once daily. Let's not forget how >>>>>>>>>> popular the ST and the Amiga were over there while they were failing >>>>>>>>>> miserably in North America. Because both companies are dead, the most >>>>>>>>>> likely scenario is that they will move to the efficient machines made by >>>>>>>>>> Apple or equipped with Qualcomm's processors. I do not think that their >>>>>>>>>> energy crisis is going to get better anytime soon. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I'm sorry, but I'm skeptical that the electricity needed to charge a laptop >>>>>>>>> is that big of a concern, even in Europe. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> In that case, you should look at how Germany's economy is tanking, >>>>>>>> specifically the result of a lack of cheap oil coming in from Russia. >>>>>>>> You can imagine that the smaller supply of oil will result in electrical >>>>>>>> production being more expensive and for the power bills to be much >>>>>>>> higher for the average German. As a result, they are not as likely as >>>>>>>> they once might have been to buy the powerful PC which requires 800W of >>>>>>>> power to play a game every hour. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I don't have to "imagine" that the lack of cheap Russian gas is hurting >>>>>>> Germany's economy (that's plain to see every day in the international news). >>>>>>> I'm just having trouble imagining that this is resulting in angst about the >>>>>>> amount of electricity required to charge a laptop. >>>>>> >>>>>> If the price you pay for electricity doubles, you are likely to look at >>>>>> the devices in your house and make changes in the kind of machine you >>>>>> buy. The promise of charging once a day rather than keeping a machine >>>>>> plugged is likely to be a benefit to a European. The people of North >>>>>> America probably won't care as much since power is cheap here. >>>>> >>>>> Hypotheticals. I'll remain skeptical that this will be a major issue. >>>>> (Unless, of course, there is no power at all — which may be a reality in >>>>> Europe if they keep going down the destructive paths they've chosen. In that >>>>> case keeping food from spoiling will probably take priority over laptop >>>>> charging — of any kind). >>>> >>>> Only as long as whatever work you do doesn't depend on you having a >>>> computer. >>>> >>>>>>> I purposely use low power laptops and micro desktops because it's all I need >>>>>>> and I don't like the background sound of fans. These all run Intel CPUs >>>>>>> (except for the Wyse 5060 thin client desktop — it uses a low power AMD >>>>>>> CPU). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> And, as usual, the standard disclaimer, I don't play Windows' video games or >>>>>>> use high-end (watt gobbling) GPUs. I'm not sure, though, that ARM chips will >>>>>>> be running these games in the future. (I guess we'll see.) >>>>>> >>>>>> ARM might, but I don't care to stick around to find out. At best, I >>>>>> would imagine that ARM will play today's games as well as today's x86-64 >>>>>> PCs around 2027 or so through some compatibility layer. If it happens >>>>>> sooner, all the better. >>>>> >>>>> I'm guessing the power required to run Windows complex video games will not >>>>> fit in ARM's low-power "wheelhouse." But we'll see. As I've mentioned (many >>>>> times now) I'm not a game player. >>>> >>>> ARM being low-power doesn't mean that it is low-performance. As the >>>> Apple processors have shown, they're a lot more powerful than x86-64 >>>> processors on single-core applications. They're only worse on multi-core >>>> and even then, not by much. ARM basically allows people to have >>>> performance like they currently have but through much less battery power. >>> >>> I'll watch and see what happens. I don't anticipate getting an ARM laptop >>> (or desktop) in the near future — but then I don't anticipate buying any new >>> computers at all in the next ten years (or so). >> >> I'm trying to hold onto the one I have for as long as possible too, but >> I know that it's just a matter of time before the keyboard's keys stop >> working as they should and the parts to fix issue stop being available. >> When that happens, I'll have no choice but to get another one. > > That's another advantage of Dell Latitudes. They made so many of them that > parts are widely available and cheap. True, but those parts will probably only be found in landfills after a while. The same way that it becomes difficult to find parts for cars after five years, it becomes hard to find parts for laptops after about three. -- CrudeSausage
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| From | RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2024-12-20 05:52 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <vk30nb$3a4kl$4@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #680788 |
On 2024-12-19, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote: > Le 2024-12-19 à 03:03, RonB a écrit : >> On 2024-12-18, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote: >>> Le 2024-12-18 à 06:09, RonB a écrit : >>>> On 2024-12-17, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote: >>>>> Le 2024-12-17 à 15:30, RonB a écrit : >>>>>> On 2024-12-17, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote: >>>>>>> Le 2024-12-17 à 03:13, RonB a écrit : >>>>>>>> On 2024-12-16, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote: >>>>>>>>> Le 2024-12-16 à 05:27, RonB a écrit : >>>>>>>>>> On 2024-12-15, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> Le 2024-12-15 à 02:23, RonB a écrit : >>>>>>>>>>>> On 2024-12-14, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> Le 2024-12-14 à 10:44, RonB a écrit : >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2024-12-14, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Higher performance per watt which leads to lower power use and therefore >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> improved battery life. Whether Intel and AMD want to admit it or not, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> people _do_ want to have a computer which can handle a whole day's work >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on a single charge and which won't increase electrical bills. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> While I agree that most people want longer battery life for their laptops, I >>>>>>>>>>>>>> really don't think the cost of charging a laptop is that big of a concern. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Not to a person who lives in an area where electricity is cheap. >>>>>>>>>>>>> However, it is only going to become more expensive in places like Europe >>>>>>>>>>>>> where its production depend on a resource acquired from Russia. The same >>>>>>>>>>>>> way they switched to fuel-efficient or electric cars to lower their >>>>>>>>>>>>> reliance on gasoline, they are probably going to switch to >>>>>>>>>>>>> energy-efficient machines to reduce their need for electricity altogether. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> If things are getting that dire in Europe they're going to have to learn >>>>>>>>>>>> to live without computers at all. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> If this were the 80s and Europe were facing these issues, I imagine that >>>>>>>>>>> either Atari or Commodore would have produced a very efficient computer >>>>>>>>>>> which would only need to be charged once daily. Let's not forget how >>>>>>>>>>> popular the ST and the Amiga were over there while they were failing >>>>>>>>>>> miserably in North America. Because both companies are dead, the most >>>>>>>>>>> likely scenario is that they will move to the efficient machines made by >>>>>>>>>>> Apple or equipped with Qualcomm's processors. I do not think that their >>>>>>>>>>> energy crisis is going to get better anytime soon. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I'm sorry, but I'm skeptical that the electricity needed to charge a laptop >>>>>>>>>> is that big of a concern, even in Europe. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> In that case, you should look at how Germany's economy is tanking, >>>>>>>>> specifically the result of a lack of cheap oil coming in from Russia. >>>>>>>>> You can imagine that the smaller supply of oil will result in electrical >>>>>>>>> production being more expensive and for the power bills to be much >>>>>>>>> higher for the average German. As a result, they are not as likely as >>>>>>>>> they once might have been to buy the powerful PC which requires 800W of >>>>>>>>> power to play a game every hour. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I don't have to "imagine" that the lack of cheap Russian gas is hurting >>>>>>>> Germany's economy (that's plain to see every day in the international news). >>>>>>>> I'm just having trouble imagining that this is resulting in angst about the >>>>>>>> amount of electricity required to charge a laptop. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If the price you pay for electricity doubles, you are likely to look at >>>>>>> the devices in your house and make changes in the kind of machine you >>>>>>> buy. The promise of charging once a day rather than keeping a machine >>>>>>> plugged is likely to be a benefit to a European. The people of North >>>>>>> America probably won't care as much since power is cheap here. >>>>>> >>>>>> Hypotheticals. I'll remain skeptical that this will be a major issue. >>>>>> (Unless, of course, there is no power at all — which may be a reality in >>>>>> Europe if they keep going down the destructive paths they've chosen. In that >>>>>> case keeping food from spoiling will probably take priority over laptop >>>>>> charging — of any kind). >>>>> >>>>> Only as long as whatever work you do doesn't depend on you having a >>>>> computer. >>>>> >>>>>>>> I purposely use low power laptops and micro desktops because it's all I need >>>>>>>> and I don't like the background sound of fans. These all run Intel CPUs >>>>>>>> (except for the Wyse 5060 thin client desktop — it uses a low power AMD >>>>>>>> CPU). >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> And, as usual, the standard disclaimer, I don't play Windows' video games or >>>>>>>> use high-end (watt gobbling) GPUs. I'm not sure, though, that ARM chips will >>>>>>>> be running these games in the future. (I guess we'll see.) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ARM might, but I don't care to stick around to find out. At best, I >>>>>>> would imagine that ARM will play today's games as well as today's x86-64 >>>>>>> PCs around 2027 or so through some compatibility layer. If it happens >>>>>>> sooner, all the better. >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm guessing the power required to run Windows complex video games will not >>>>>> fit in ARM's low-power "wheelhouse." But we'll see. As I've mentioned (many >>>>>> times now) I'm not a game player. >>>>> >>>>> ARM being low-power doesn't mean that it is low-performance. As the >>>>> Apple processors have shown, they're a lot more powerful than x86-64 >>>>> processors on single-core applications. They're only worse on multi-core >>>>> and even then, not by much. ARM basically allows people to have >>>>> performance like they currently have but through much less battery power. >>>> >>>> I'll watch and see what happens. I don't anticipate getting an ARM laptop >>>> (or desktop) in the near future — but then I don't anticipate buying any new >>>> computers at all in the next ten years (or so). >>> >>> I'm trying to hold onto the one I have for as long as possible too, but >>> I know that it's just a matter of time before the keyboard's keys stop >>> working as they should and the parts to fix issue stop being available. >>> When that happens, I'll have no choice but to get another one. >> >> That's another advantage of Dell Latitudes. They made so many of them that >> parts are widely available and cheap. > > True, but those parts will probably only be found in landfills after a > while. The same way that it becomes difficult to find parts for cars > after five years, it becomes hard to find parts for laptops after about > three. I don't know. I've played with a lot of old Dell Latitudes and I've always managed to find the parts I need. -- “Evil is not able to create anything new, it can only distort and destroy what has been invented or made by the forces of good.” —J.R.R. Tolkien
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| Date | 2024-12-20 08:54 -0500 |
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Le 2024-12-20 à 00:52, RonB a écrit : > On 2024-12-19, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote: >> Le 2024-12-19 à 03:03, RonB a écrit : >>> On 2024-12-18, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote: >>>> Le 2024-12-18 à 06:09, RonB a écrit : >>>>> On 2024-12-17, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote: >>>>>> Le 2024-12-17 à 15:30, RonB a écrit : >>>>>>> On 2024-12-17, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote: >>>>>>>> Le 2024-12-17 à 03:13, RonB a écrit : >>>>>>>>> On 2024-12-16, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> Le 2024-12-16 à 05:27, RonB a écrit : >>>>>>>>>>> On 2024-12-15, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> Le 2024-12-15 à 02:23, RonB a écrit : >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2024-12-14, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Le 2024-12-14 à 10:44, RonB a écrit : >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2024-12-14, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Higher performance per watt which leads to lower power use and therefore >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> improved battery life. Whether Intel and AMD want to admit it or not, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> people _do_ want to have a computer which can handle a whole day's work >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on a single charge and which won't increase electrical bills. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> While I agree that most people want longer battery life for their laptops, I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> really don't think the cost of charging a laptop is that big of a concern. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Not to a person who lives in an area where electricity is cheap. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> However, it is only going to become more expensive in places like Europe >>>>>>>>>>>>>> where its production depend on a resource acquired from Russia. The same >>>>>>>>>>>>>> way they switched to fuel-efficient or electric cars to lower their >>>>>>>>>>>>>> reliance on gasoline, they are probably going to switch to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> energy-efficient machines to reduce their need for electricity altogether. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> If things are getting that dire in Europe they're going to have to learn >>>>>>>>>>>>> to live without computers at all. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> If this were the 80s and Europe were facing these issues, I imagine that >>>>>>>>>>>> either Atari or Commodore would have produced a very efficient computer >>>>>>>>>>>> which would only need to be charged once daily. Let's not forget how >>>>>>>>>>>> popular the ST and the Amiga were over there while they were failing >>>>>>>>>>>> miserably in North America. Because both companies are dead, the most >>>>>>>>>>>> likely scenario is that they will move to the efficient machines made by >>>>>>>>>>>> Apple or equipped with Qualcomm's processors. I do not think that their >>>>>>>>>>>> energy crisis is going to get better anytime soon. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I'm sorry, but I'm skeptical that the electricity needed to charge a laptop >>>>>>>>>>> is that big of a concern, even in Europe. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> In that case, you should look at how Germany's economy is tanking, >>>>>>>>>> specifically the result of a lack of cheap oil coming in from Russia. >>>>>>>>>> You can imagine that the smaller supply of oil will result in electrical >>>>>>>>>> production being more expensive and for the power bills to be much >>>>>>>>>> higher for the average German. As a result, they are not as likely as >>>>>>>>>> they once might have been to buy the powerful PC which requires 800W of >>>>>>>>>> power to play a game every hour. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I don't have to "imagine" that the lack of cheap Russian gas is hurting >>>>>>>>> Germany's economy (that's plain to see every day in the international news). >>>>>>>>> I'm just having trouble imagining that this is resulting in angst about the >>>>>>>>> amount of electricity required to charge a laptop. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> If the price you pay for electricity doubles, you are likely to look at >>>>>>>> the devices in your house and make changes in the kind of machine you >>>>>>>> buy. The promise of charging once a day rather than keeping a machine >>>>>>>> plugged is likely to be a benefit to a European. The people of North >>>>>>>> America probably won't care as much since power is cheap here. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hypotheticals. I'll remain skeptical that this will be a major issue. >>>>>>> (Unless, of course, there is no power at all — which may be a reality in >>>>>>> Europe if they keep going down the destructive paths they've chosen. In that >>>>>>> case keeping food from spoiling will probably take priority over laptop >>>>>>> charging — of any kind). >>>>>> >>>>>> Only as long as whatever work you do doesn't depend on you having a >>>>>> computer. >>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I purposely use low power laptops and micro desktops because it's all I need >>>>>>>>> and I don't like the background sound of fans. These all run Intel CPUs >>>>>>>>> (except for the Wyse 5060 thin client desktop — it uses a low power AMD >>>>>>>>> CPU). >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> And, as usual, the standard disclaimer, I don't play Windows' video games or >>>>>>>>> use high-end (watt gobbling) GPUs. I'm not sure, though, that ARM chips will >>>>>>>>> be running these games in the future. (I guess we'll see.) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ARM might, but I don't care to stick around to find out. At best, I >>>>>>>> would imagine that ARM will play today's games as well as today's x86-64 >>>>>>>> PCs around 2027 or so through some compatibility layer. If it happens >>>>>>>> sooner, all the better. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm guessing the power required to run Windows complex video games will not >>>>>>> fit in ARM's low-power "wheelhouse." But we'll see. As I've mentioned (many >>>>>>> times now) I'm not a game player. >>>>>> >>>>>> ARM being low-power doesn't mean that it is low-performance. As the >>>>>> Apple processors have shown, they're a lot more powerful than x86-64 >>>>>> processors on single-core applications. They're only worse on multi-core >>>>>> and even then, not by much. ARM basically allows people to have >>>>>> performance like they currently have but through much less battery power. >>>>> >>>>> I'll watch and see what happens. I don't anticipate getting an ARM laptop >>>>> (or desktop) in the near future — but then I don't anticipate buying any new >>>>> computers at all in the next ten years (or so). >>>> >>>> I'm trying to hold onto the one I have for as long as possible too, but >>>> I know that it's just a matter of time before the keyboard's keys stop >>>> working as they should and the parts to fix issue stop being available. >>>> When that happens, I'll have no choice but to get another one. >>> >>> That's another advantage of Dell Latitudes. They made so many of them that >>> parts are widely available and cheap. >> >> True, but those parts will probably only be found in landfills after a >> while. The same way that it becomes difficult to find parts for cars >> after five years, it becomes hard to find parts for laptops after about >> three. > > I don't know. I've played with a lot of old Dell Latitudes and I've always > managed to find the parts I need. I guess the Dell Latitude is the Model T of computers. -- CrudeSausage
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