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The Vista Upgrade Layer

Started byChris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us>
First post2015-03-31 06:14 -0400
Last post2015-03-31 21:18 -0400
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  The Vista Upgrade Layer Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2015-03-31 06:14 -0400
    Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-03-31 08:39 -0400
      Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-03-31 14:47 +0200
        Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-03-31 08:56 -0400
          Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-03-31 17:02 +0200
            Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-03-31 13:02 -0400
            Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2015-03-31 13:30 -0400
              Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-03-31 13:37 -0400
                Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-03-31 16:19 -0600
                  Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-03-31 21:27 -0400
              Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-03-31 14:14 -0400
              Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-03-31 16:18 -0600
              Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-04-10 10:07 -0400
            At least the Ezekreep likes this shameless, documented liar chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-31 13:02 -0500
              Re: At least the Ezekreep likes this shameless, documented liar DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-03-31 14:29 -0400
                Re: At least the Ezekreep likes this shameless, documented liar GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-03-31 16:18 -0600
        Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-03-31 11:34 -0600
      Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Marti van Lin <ml2mst@nospam.indvalid> - 2015-03-31 18:27 +0200
        Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-03-31 12:33 -0400
          Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Marti van Lin <ml2mst@nospam.indvalid> - 2015-03-31 19:10 +0200
            Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-31 12:50 -0500
              Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-03-31 20:07 +0000
              Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-03-31 16:12 -0400
                Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-03-31 16:16 -0600
              Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Marti van Lin <ml2mst@nospam.indvalid> - 2015-04-01 02:33 +0200
                Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-04-01 11:59 -0600
                  Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2015-04-02 00:57 -0700
                    Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-04-02 06:51 -0500
                      Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2015-04-02 07:55 -0400
                        Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-04-02 12:12 -0500
                          Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2015-04-02 14:08 -0400
                      Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-02 08:26 -0400
                        Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-04-02 14:53 +0200
                          Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2015-04-02 09:05 -0400
                            Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-02 09:44 -0400
                              Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-04-02 16:18 +0200
                                Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-02 10:40 -0400
                                  Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-04-02 16:21 -0600
                                Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2015-04-02 14:04 -0400
                                  Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> - 2015-04-02 13:38 -0500
                                    Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-02 21:24 -0400
                                  Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-04-02 16:19 -0600
                                  Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-02 21:19 -0400
                                    Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-04-03 10:30 -0400
                                      Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-03 13:46 -0400
                                        Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-04-03 18:25 -0400
                                          Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-04 11:51 -0400
                                Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-04-02 16:18 -0600
                            Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> - 2015-04-02 13:23 -0500
                              Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2015-04-02 19:51 -0400
                                Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-04-03 07:05 -0500
                                  Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-03 13:06 -0400
                                  Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-04-03 11:56 -0600
                                    Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-04-03 20:08 +0200
                                      Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-04-04 16:20 -0600
                                        Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-04-05 01:02 +0200
                                          Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-04-05 00:50 +0000
                                            Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-04-05 12:29 -0600
                                          Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-05 11:34 -0400
                                          Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-04-05 12:28 -0600
                                            Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-04-05 22:44 +0200
                                              Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-04-05 15:27 -0600
                                                Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-04-05 23:36 +0200
                                                  Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-04-06 13:07 -0600
                                              Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-04-06 07:30 -0500
                                                Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-04-06 10:39 -0400
                          Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-02 09:15 -0400
                          Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> - 2015-04-02 13:20 -0500
                            Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2015-04-02 19:54 -0400
                              Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-02 22:00 -0400
                            Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-02 21:21 -0400
                          Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-04-02 16:17 -0600
                            Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-04-03 01:05 +0200
                              Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2015-04-02 19:57 -0400
                              Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-04-02 18:53 -0600
                        Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2015-04-02 09:58 -0400
                          Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-02 10:31 -0400
                      Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2015-04-02 12:59 -0700
                        Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer ronb <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2015-04-02 20:54 +0000
                        Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-04-02 16:12 -0600
                    Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-02 08:23 -0400
                      Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-04-02 16:11 -0600
                    Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer ronb <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2015-04-02 13:08 +0000
                      Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-04-02 16:10 -0600
                    Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> - 2015-04-02 13:16 -0500
                      Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2015-04-02 13:09 -0700
                        Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer ronb <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2015-04-02 20:49 +0000
                        Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> - 2015-04-02 15:46 -0500
                          Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer ronb <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2015-04-02 21:22 +0000
                            Just get Mint, Okay? vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2015-04-02 15:59 -0700
                              Re: Just get Mint, Okay? ronb <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2015-04-02 23:32 +0000
                                Re: Just get Mint, Okay? GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-04-02 18:52 -0600
                                Re: Just get Mint, Okay? chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-04-03 12:35 +0000
                                  Re: Just get Mint, Okay? ronb <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2015-04-04 00:38 +0000
                          Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-04-02 16:09 -0600
                      Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-04-02 16:06 -0600
                    Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-04-02 16:04 -0600
                      Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2015-04-02 16:02 -0700
                        Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-04-02 18:51 -0600
                  Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-04-02 08:58 -0400
                    Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-02 09:21 -0400
                      Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-04-02 16:16 +0200
                        Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-04-02 09:32 -0500
                          Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-02 10:41 -0400
                          Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-04-02 16:02 -0600
                        Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-02 10:38 -0400
                          Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-04-02 16:01 -0600
                        Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-04-02 15:59 -0600
                    Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-04-02 15:56 -0600
            Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-04-01 21:02 -0400
              Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-04-02 03:17 +0000
                Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-04-03 09:42 -0400
        Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-03-31 13:34 -0400
          Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Marti van Lin <ml2mst@nospam.indvalid> - 2015-04-01 02:39 +0200
            Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-03-31 21:39 -0400
              Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-04-01 09:18 +0200
                Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-01 09:27 -0400
                  Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-04-01 17:00 +0200
                    Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-01 11:13 -0400
                    Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-04-01 11:56 -0600
                Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer ronb <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2015-04-01 14:06 +0000
                  Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-01 11:07 -0400
                Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-04-01 11:56 -0600
                  Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-04-01 20:00 +0200
                    Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-01 14:27 -0400
                      Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-04-01 16:17 -0600
                    Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer ronb <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2015-04-01 21:13 +0000
                      Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-04-01 16:16 -0600
                    Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-04-01 16:16 -0600
                      Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-04-02 00:26 +0200
                        Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer ronb <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2015-04-01 23:00 +0000
                          Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2015-04-01 20:08 -0400
                            Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2015-04-02 01:10 -0700
                              Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2015-04-02 13:53 +0100
                                Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-04-02 15:15 +0200
                                  Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-04-02 15:53 -0600
                                    Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2015-04-07 12:29 +0100
                                      Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-04-07 10:23 -0600
                              Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-04-02 15:50 -0600
                            Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer cc <scatnubbs@hotmail.com> - 2015-04-02 05:06 -0700
                            Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-04-02 15:44 -0600
                          Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-04-02 15:44 -0600
                            Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-04-03 00:07 +0200
                              Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer William Poaster <wp@dev.null> - 2015-04-02 23:27 +0100
                                Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-04-03 01:02 +0200
                                  Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-04-02 18:47 -0600
                                Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer ronb <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2015-04-02 23:36 +0000
                                  Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer William Poaster <wp@dev.null> - 2015-04-03 09:33 +0100
                                    Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-04-03 11:54 -0600
                                Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-04-02 18:46 -0600
                                Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2015-04-07 12:36 +0100
                                  Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-04-07 10:18 -0600
                              Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-04-02 18:46 -0600
                                Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2015-04-07 12:35 +0100
                                  Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-04-07 10:17 -0600
                                  Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2015-04-07 13:12 -0700
                                    Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-07 17:22 -0400
                                      Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-04-07 23:55 +0200
                                        Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2015-04-07 18:11 -0400
                                          Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-07 18:30 -0400
                                            Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-04-07 19:04 -0600
                                          Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-04-08 00:42 +0200
                                            Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-04-07 19:04 -0600
                                              Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2015-04-08 09:54 +0100
                                                Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-04-08 11:08 +0200
                                                  Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2015-04-08 12:08 -0700
                                                    Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-04-08 15:12 -0600
                                                    Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-08 17:39 -0400
                                                    Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer William Poaster <wp@dev.null> - 2015-04-08 22:38 +0100
                                                      Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2015-04-09 12:35 +0100
                                                    Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2015-04-09 12:30 +0100
                                                      Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-04-09 12:26 -0600
                                                  Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-04-08 15:08 -0600
                                          Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-04-07 19:02 -0600
                                          Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2015-04-08 10:19 +0100
                                        Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-07 18:12 -0400
                                          Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-04-07 19:01 -0600
                                            Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-08 10:25 -0400
                                              Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-04-08 14:59 -0600
                                                Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-04-09 00:40 +0200
                                                  Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-04-09 12:25 -0600
                                        Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer William Poaster <wp@dev.null> - 2015-04-07 23:43 +0100
                                          Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-04-08 00:52 +0200
                                            Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-07 19:16 -0400
                                              Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-04-07 18:58 -0600
                                                Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-08 10:23 -0400
                                                  Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-04-08 12:58 -0400
                                                    Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-08 13:25 -0400
                                                      Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2015-04-08 10:55 -0700
                                                      Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-04-08 14:52 -0600
                                                    Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-04-08 14:51 -0600
                                            Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-04-07 18:57 -0600
                                          Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer ronb <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2015-04-07 22:54 +0000
                                            Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2015-04-08 10:21 +0100
                                          Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-04-07 18:54 -0600
                                        Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-04-07 18:53 -0600
                                          Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-08 10:15 -0400
                                          Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-04-08 18:07 +0200
                                            Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-04-08 14:49 -0600
                                              Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-04-09 00:39 +0200
                                                Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer ronb <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2015-04-08 22:48 +0000
                                                  Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-04-08 16:47 -0700
                                                    Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-04-08 23:57 +0000
                                                      Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-04-08 17:11 -0700
                                                  Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-04-09 12:24 -0600
                                                Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer William Poaster <wp@dev.null> - 2015-04-09 00:01 +0100
                                                  Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2015-04-09 09:44 +0100
                                                    Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-04-09 12:48 +0200
                                                      Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer William Poaster <wp@dev.null> - 2015-04-09 12:37 +0100
                                                        Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-04-09 07:39 -0500
                                                        Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2015-04-09 16:57 +0100
                                                          Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Tomas <tgif9fri@numo.net> - 2015-04-09 12:03 -0400
                                                            Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-04-09 12:22 -0600
                                                              Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-09 14:29 -0400
                                                                Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-04-09 20:36 -0600
                                                            Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2015-04-10 10:10 +0100
                                                              Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-10 11:13 -0400
                                                          Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-09 14:18 -0400
                                                            Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-04-09 20:31 -0600
                                                              Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-10 09:10 -0400
                                                      Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-04-09 12:19 -0600
                                                  Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-04-09 08:51 -0400
                                                Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-04-09 12:17 -0600
                                    Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2015-04-07 18:03 -0400
                                      Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-04-07 18:52 -0600
                                        Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2015-04-08 07:24 -0400
                                          Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2015-04-08 05:37 -0700
                                            Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2015-04-08 09:34 -0400
                                              Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2015-04-08 07:44 -0700
                                            Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2015-04-08 14:58 +0100
                                              Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2015-04-08 15:03 +0100
                                              Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-08 13:14 -0400
                                              Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-04-08 14:47 -0600
                                      Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2015-04-08 10:24 +0100
                                    Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer ronb <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2015-04-07 22:41 +0000
                                    Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-04-07 21:20 -0400
                                      Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2015-04-08 10:27 +0100
                                      Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-08 10:28 -0400
                                      Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-04-08 14:45 -0600
                                    Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2015-04-08 09:50 +0100
                                  Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-04-07 22:35 +0200
                                    Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2015-04-07 13:58 -0700
                                    Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-07 17:31 -0400
                                    Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer ronb <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2015-04-07 22:28 +0000
                                      Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-07 19:14 -0400
                                      Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-04-07 18:50 -0600
                                      Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2015-04-08 10:04 +0100
                                        Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-04-08 11:12 +0200
                                          Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2015-04-08 10:39 +0100
                                          Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer William Poaster <wp@dev.null> - 2015-04-08 12:11 +0100
                                            Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2015-04-08 07:34 -0400
                                            Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2015-04-08 12:36 +0100
                                              Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2015-04-08 07:38 -0400
                                          Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-04-08 07:11 -0500
                                            Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2015-04-08 13:59 +0100
                                              Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-04-08 18:01 +0200
                                                Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2015-04-08 17:22 +0100
                                                  Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-04-08 18:28 +0200
                                                    Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-08 13:01 -0400
                                                    Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-04-08 14:17 -0600
                                                  Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-08 12:52 -0400
                                                    Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2015-04-09 09:39 +0100
                                                      Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-04-09 12:46 +0200
                                                        Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2015-04-09 12:26 +0100
                                                          Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-04-09 12:16 -0600
                                                            Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-09 14:23 -0400
                                                              Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-04-09 20:29 -0600
                                                                Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-04-10 07:51 +0200
                                                                  Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-10 10:48 -0400
                                                                    Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-04-10 12:09 -0600
                                                                  Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-04-10 12:05 -0600
                                                        Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-09 10:19 -0400
                                                          Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-04-09 16:42 +0200
                                                            Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-09 14:15 -0400
                                                              Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2015-04-10 10:13 +0100
                                                                Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-10 11:14 -0400
                                                            Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-04-10 07:22 -0500
                                                              Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2015-04-10 14:44 +0100
                                                                Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-10 11:44 -0400
                                                              Turdv is a Troll that uses windows. GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-04-10 12:01 -0600
                                                        Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer ronb <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2015-04-09 20:35 +0000
                                                          Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-04-09 14:04 -0700
                                                          Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2015-04-10 10:20 +0100
                                                      Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-09 10:19 -0400
                                                        Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Mel <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2015-04-09 17:27 +0200
                                                          Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2015-04-09 11:42 -0400
                                                            Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Mel <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2015-04-09 17:49 +0200
                                                              Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-04-09 18:00 +0200
                                                                Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2015-04-09 18:16 +0200
                                                              Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2015-04-09 12:04 -0400
                                                                Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2015-04-09 12:09 -0400
                                                                  Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2015-04-09 18:53 +0200
                                                                    Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2015-04-09 13:09 -0400
                                                                      Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2015-04-09 19:18 +0200
                                                                        Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2015-04-09 13:48 -0400
                                                                          Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2015-04-09 14:16 -0400
                                                                            Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2015-04-09 11:27 -0700
                                                                              Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2015-04-09 14:48 -0400
                                                                                Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2015-04-09 21:27 +0200
                                                                                  Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2015-04-09 15:35 -0400
                                                                                    Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-04-09 20:27 -0600
                                                                                  Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer ronb <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2015-04-09 20:41 +0000
                                                                                    Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-09 17:24 -0400
                                                                                      Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-04-09 20:22 -0600
                                                                                    Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-04-09 20:20 -0600
                                                                                Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2015-04-09 15:16 -0700
                                                                                  The Zeke dissembling layer Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2015-04-09 19:07 -0400
                                                                                    Re: The Zeke dissembling layer ronb <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2015-04-09 23:09 +0000
                                                                                      Re: The Zeke dissembling layer Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2015-04-10 02:33 +0200
                                                                                        Re: The Zeke dissembling layer DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-04-09 20:40 -0400
                                                                                          Re: The Zeke dissembling layer Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-09 20:46 -0400
                                                                                        Re: The Zeke dissembling layer "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2015-04-09 21:05 -0400
                                                                                        Re: The Zeke dissembling layer GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-04-09 20:19 -0600
                                                                                          Re: The Zeke dissembling layer Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2015-04-10 04:38 +0200
                                                                                            Re: The Zeke dissembling layer ronb <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2015-04-10 02:41 +0000
                                                                                              Re: The Zeke dissembling layer Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2015-04-10 04:51 +0200
                                                                                                Re: The Zeke dissembling layer chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-04-10 06:41 -0500
                                                                                                  Re: The Zeke dissembling layer -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2015-04-10 05:43 -0700
                                                                                                  Re: The Zeke dissembling layer Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-10 11:28 -0400
                                                                                                  Here's a fart for you to sniff, Turdv. GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-04-10 12:00 -0600
                                                                                                Re: The Zeke dissembling layer GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-04-10 12:00 -0600
                                                                                              Re: The Zeke dissembling layer DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-04-10 10:48 -0400
                                                                                              WrongB the LinCultist.  Guffaw!!! GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-04-10 11:59 -0600
                                                                                            Re: The Zeke dissembling layer GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-04-10 11:57 -0600
                                                                                        Re: The Zeke dissembling layer ronb <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2015-04-10 02:37 +0000
                                                                                          Re: The Zeke dissembling layer Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2015-04-10 04:48 +0200
                                                                                          Re: The Zeke dissembling layer Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2015-04-10 06:08 -0400
                                                                                            Re: The Zeke dissembling layer -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2015-04-10 03:50 -0700
                                                                                        Here, it's all wank, no work. Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> - 2015-04-09 19:50 -0700
                                                                                          Re: Here, it's all wank, no work. Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-10 09:14 -0400
                                                                                      Re: The Zeke dissembling layer GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-04-09 20:18 -0600
                                                                                    Re: Christopher John Ahlstrom enjoys the male penis "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2015-04-09 20:07 -0400
                                                                                  Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2015-04-09 20:00 -0400
                                                                                  What's optimal ? ! Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> - 2015-04-09 18:40 -0700
                                                                                    Re: What's optimal ? ! Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-09 22:00 -0400
                                                                                      My 3 year old OCZ Vertex 2 SSD is blazing fast, reliable. Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> - 2015-04-09 19:29 -0700
                                                                                        Re: My 3 year old OCZ Vertex 2 SSD is blazing fast, reliable. DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-04-09 22:33 -0400
                                                                                          My 3 year old OCZ Vertex 2 SSD is blazing fast, reliable. Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> - 2015-04-09 19:40 -0700
                                                                                            Re: My 3 year old OCZ Vertex 2 SSD is blazing fast, reliable. DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-04-09 22:55 -0400
                                                                                              My 3 year old OCZ Vertex 2 SSD is blazing fast, reliable. Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> - 2015-04-09 20:07 -0700
                                                                                                OCZ Vertex 4 SATA III, 256 Gigs. Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> - 2015-04-09 20:14 -0700
                                                                                                  Re: OCZ Vertex 4 SATA III, 256 Gigs. Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-10 10:42 -0400
                                                                                                Re: My 3 year old OCZ Vertex 2 SSD is blazing fast, reliable. DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-04-10 01:21 -0400
                                                                                                  OCZ Vertex 4 SATA III, 256 Gigs, $474. Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> - 2015-04-09 23:00 -0700
                                                                                                    OCZ Vertex 4 SATA III, 256 Gigs. Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> - 2015-04-09 23:10 -0700
                                                                                                    Re: OCZ Vertex 4 SATA III, 256 Gigs, $474. DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-04-10 08:32 -0400
                                                                                                      OCZ Vertex 4 SATA III, 256 Gigs, $474. Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> - 2015-04-10 05:57 -0700
                                                                                                        This "hobo" is doing better than DFS. Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> - 2015-04-10 06:10 -0700
                                                                                                          Re: This "hobo" is doing better than DFS. DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-04-10 09:18 -0400
                                                                                                          Re: This "hobo" is doing better than DFS. Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-10 11:31 -0400
                                                                                                    Re: OCZ Vertex 4 SATA III, 256 Gigs, $474. Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-10 11:12 -0400
                                                                                                  Re: My 3 year old OCZ Vertex 2 SSD is blazing fast, reliable. Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-10 10:46 -0400
                                                                                              Re: My 3 year old OCZ Vertex 2 SSD is blazing fast, reliable. Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-10 09:16 -0400
                                                                                            Re: My 3 year old OCZ Vertex 2 SSD is blazing fast, reliable. Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-10 09:12 -0400
                                                                                        Re: My 3 year old OCZ Vertex 2 SSD is blazing fast, reliable. Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-10 09:09 -0400
                                                                                          I have a OCZ Vertex 4 SATA III, 256 Gigs. Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> - 2015-04-10 06:15 -0700
                                                                                            Re: I have a OCZ Vertex 4 SATA III, 256 Gigs. DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-04-10 09:41 -0400
                                                                                              My (top rated) SSD is 2.54 times faster than DFS'. Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> - 2015-04-10 07:44 -0700
                                                                                                Re: My (top rated) SSD is 2.54 times faster than DFS'. DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-04-12 08:04 -0400
                                                                                                  The Vector 4 remains "top rated". Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> - 2015-04-12 07:13 -0700
                                                                                              Re: I have a OCZ Vertex 4 SATA III, 256 Gigs. Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-10 11:35 -0400
                                                                                                Re: I have a OCZ Vertex 4 SATA III, 256 Gigs. -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2015-04-10 08:59 -0700
                                                                                                I have a OCZ Vertex 4 SATA III, 256 Gigs. Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> - 2015-04-10 09:38 -0700
                                                                                                  Re: I have a OCZ Vertex 4 SATA III, 256 Gigs. Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-10 15:07 -0400
                                                                                                    CrystalDiskMark 3_0_4. Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> - 2015-04-10 17:47 -0700
                                                                                                      Re: CrystalDiskMark 3_0_4. ronb <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2015-04-11 01:27 +0000
                                                                                                      Re: CrystalDiskMark 3_0_4. Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-10 23:04 -0400
                                                                                                        "100% drive life"; no degregation. Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> - 2015-04-11 00:21 -0700
                                                                                                          Re: "100% drive life"; no degregation. Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-11 12:55 -0400
                                                                                                            Cell phones are what keeps your girlfriend entertained. Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> - 2015-04-11 11:05 -0700
                                                                                                          Re: "100% drive life"; no degregation. DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-04-12 07:51 -0400
                                                                                                            The i7-4790S has "HD Graphics 4600" built in. Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> - 2015-04-12 06:02 -0700
                                                                                                              Re: The i7-4790S has "HD Graphics 4600" built in. Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-12 11:35 -0400
                                                                                                                When idle, the i7-4790S consumes less power, 65 Watts. Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> - 2015-04-12 09:31 -0700
                                                                                                                  Re: When idle, the i7-4790S consumes less power, 65 Watts. Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-12 15:37 -0400
                                                                                                                    Thank God for cell phones and laptops. Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> - 2015-04-12 19:23 -0700
                                                                                                                      Re: Thank God for cell phones and laptops. -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2015-04-13 06:06 -0700
                                                                                                                        Re: Thank God for cell phones and laptops. Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-13 10:47 -0400
                                                                                                                          @Slimer is anonymous, ashamed. Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> - 2015-04-13 08:29 -0700
                                                                                                                          Re: Thank God for cell phones and laptops. -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2015-04-13 08:45 -0700
                                                                                                                            I'm the direct opposite of a road warrior. Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> - 2015-04-13 09:12 -0700
                                                                                                                              Re: I'm the direct opposite of a road warrior. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-04-13 09:36 -0700
                                                                                                                            Re: Thank God for cell phones and laptops. Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-13 13:05 -0400
                                                                                                                              Re: Thank God for cell phones and laptops. -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2015-04-13 11:05 -0700
                                                                                                                                Re: Thank God for cell phones and laptops. Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-13 17:42 -0400
                                                                                                                                You couldn't GIVE me a $10,000 gaming laptop. Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> - 2015-04-13 16:48 -0700
                                                                                                                                  Re: You couldn't GIVE me a $10,000 gaming laptop. -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2015-04-13 17:45 -0700
                                                                                                                                    IO operations per second. Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> - 2015-04-13 22:12 -0700
                                                                                                                                    Re: You couldn't GIVE me a $10,000 gaming laptop. Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-14 08:57 -0400
                                                                                                                                      Re: You couldn't GIVE me a $10,000 gaming laptop. -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2015-04-14 08:33 -0700
                                                                                                                                        Re: You couldn't GIVE me a $10,000 gaming laptop. Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-14 12:18 -0400
                                                                                                                                          Re: You couldn't GIVE me a $10,000 gaming laptop. -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2015-04-14 11:15 -0700
                                                                                                                                            Re: You couldn't GIVE me a $10,000 gaming laptop. Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-14 18:23 -0400
                                                                                                                                              Re: You couldn't GIVE me a $10,000 gaming laptop. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-04-14 15:27 -0700
                                                                                                                                        Today, the Mac Mini is a REAL desktop PC. Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> - 2015-04-14 09:56 -0700
                                                                                                                                  Re: You couldn't GIVE me a $10,000 gaming laptop. DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-04-13 22:33 -0400
                                                                                                                                    Re: You couldn't GIVE me a $10,000 gaming laptop. -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2015-04-14 04:08 -0700
                                                                                                                                    Re: You couldn't GIVE me a $10,000 gaming laptop. Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-14 09:00 -0400
                                                                                                                                  Re: You couldn't GIVE me a $10,000 gaming laptop. Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-14 08:47 -0400
                                                                                                                        Road warriors. Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> - 2015-04-13 08:04 -0700
                                                                                                                          Re: Road warriors. -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2015-04-13 08:58 -0700
                                                                                            Re: I have a OCZ Vertex 4 SATA III, 256 Gigs. Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-10 11:32 -0400
                                                                                        Re: My 3 year old OCZ Vertex 2 SSD is blazing fast, reliable. DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-04-10 11:15 -0400
                                                                                          Hour·long, 1080p, surround·sound videos are gigaBytes each. Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> - 2015-04-10 09:15 -0700
                                                                                            Re: Hour·long, 1080p, surround·sound videos are gigaBytes each. Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-10 15:05 -0400
                                                                                    Cell phones are NOTHING compared my 4K IPS monitor... Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> - 2015-04-09 19:15 -0700
                                                                                  Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-04-10 07:07 -0500
                                                                                    Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-04-10 07:27 -0500
                                                                        Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2015-04-09 11:08 -0700
                                                              Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2015-04-09 17:04 +0100
                                                              Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer ronb <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2015-04-09 20:38 +0000
                                                                Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-09 17:17 -0400
                                                                  Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2015-04-10 10:25 +0100
                                                        Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2015-04-09 17:00 +0100
                                                Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-04-08 14:16 -0600
                                          Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer ronb <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2015-04-08 12:59 +0000
                                            Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2015-04-08 14:47 +0100
                                              Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2015-04-08 10:02 -0400
                                                Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-04-08 14:15 -0600
                                              Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-04-08 14:14 -0600
                                            Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2015-04-08 11:48 -0400
                                              Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Tomas <tgif9fri@numo.net> - 2015-04-08 11:56 -0400
                                              Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2015-04-08 17:25 +0100
                                              Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2015-04-08 12:02 -0700
                                              Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-04-08 14:07 -0600
                                              Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer ronb <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2015-04-08 22:09 +0000
                                                Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-08 19:14 -0400
                                            Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-08 13:12 -0400
                                    Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-04-07 18:49 -0600
                            Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-02 21:40 -0400
                              Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2015-04-07 12:39 +0100
                                Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-04-07 17:30 +0200
                                  Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2015-04-07 17:07 +0100
                                    Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-04-07 18:47 -0600
                                  Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-04-07 10:15 -0600
                                  Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer ronb <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2015-04-07 16:21 +0000
                                    Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-07 13:05 -0400
                                    Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-04-07 18:45 -0600
                                Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-04-07 10:48 -0700
                        Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-01 20:46 -0400
                        Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-01 20:48 -0400
                        Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-04-02 15:41 -0600
                          Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-04-03 00:05 +0200
                            Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-04-02 18:45 -0600
                              Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2015-04-07 12:41 +0100
                                Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-04-07 10:13 -0600
                            Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-02 21:46 -0400
                    Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> - 2015-04-02 13:26 -0500
                      Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-04-02 15:40 -0600
                        Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-04-03 00:04 +0200
                          Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-04-02 18:40 -0600
                          Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> - 2015-04-03 11:31 -0500
                            Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-04-03 11:52 -0600
            Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-04-01 11:55 -0600
            Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2015-04-02 13:44 +0100
    Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2015-03-31 13:56 +0100
      Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2015-03-31 09:50 -0400
        Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2015-03-31 14:58 +0100
          Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-03-31 10:18 -0400
          Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2015-03-31 10:39 -0400
            Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2015-03-31 16:46 +0100
      Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-03-31 11:30 -0600
    Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-31 12:37 -0500
      Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-03-31 16:11 -0400
      Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-03-31 20:15 +0000
        Re: The Vista Upgrade Layer Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-03-31 21:18 -0400

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#288587

Fromronb <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com>
Date2015-04-08 22:48 +0000
Message-ID<mg4b82$l6m$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#288582
On Thu, 09 Apr 2015 00:39:06 +0200, Peter Köhlmann wrote:

>> The only one stupid here is you, you liar.
>> You provide no steps or proofs, so ergo you must be a liar.
>> 
>> Eh?
>> 
>> Guffaw!!!!

In other words, "You won't play my trolling game, now I'm going to stamp 
my little feet and cry!" Are you sure, you're not another "Snit," 
GreyCloud? Because you're sounding exactly like him.
 
> Ye gods! It is even worse.
> You claim to have run Suse linux. *if* that were true, you could easily
> see if I tell the truth or not. Instead you want "steps". Which you
> could do yourself if you weren't so incredibly stupid. And if I provided
> the howto step by step, you would still be way too stupid to follow any
> of those

You won't play "Simon says" with them. How rude and unfair! :)

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#288604

FromSnit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>
Date2015-04-08 16:47 -0700
Message-ID<D14B0C21.49CAF%usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>
In reply to#288587
On 4/8/15, 3:48 PM, in article mg4b82$l6m$1@dont-email.me, "ronb"
<ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Thu, 09 Apr 2015 00:39:06 +0200, Peter Köhlmann wrote:
> 
>>> The only one stupid here is you, you liar.
>>> You provide no steps or proofs, so ergo you must be a liar.
>>> 
>>> Eh?
>>> 
>>> Guffaw!!!!
> 
> In other words, "You won't play my trolling game, now I'm going to stamp
> my little feet and cry!" Are you sure, you're not another "Snit,"
> GreyCloud? Because you're sounding exactly like him.

I am the one noting I will not play other's games. Look at how DFS has been
begging me to recently. I play a little but not much.

Heck, look at you YOU... with your iCultist this and iCultist that. Who are
these "iCultists"? You never say but it is your trolling way to try to turn
your obsession with all things Apple into a way to get attention from Mac
users. 

Of course, in the end you are just talking about your imaginary friends. It
is weird.

>> Ye gods! It is even worse.
>> You claim to have run Suse linux. *if* that were true, you could easily
>> see if I tell the truth or not. Instead you want "steps". Which you
>> could do yourself if you weren't so incredibly stupid. And if I provided
>> the howto step by step, you would still be way too stupid to follow any
>> of those
> 
> You won't play "Simon says" with them. How rude and unfair! :)



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#288606

Fromowl <owl@rooftop.invalid>
Date2015-04-08 23:57 +0000
Message-ID<gheut93.ap3v@rooftop.invalid>
In reply to#288604
Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
> On 4/8/15, 3:48 PM, in article mg4b82$l6m$1@dont-email.me, "ronb"
> <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> wrote:

>> On Thu, 09 Apr 2015 00:39:06 +0200, Peter Köhlmann wrote:
>> 
>>>> The only one stupid here is you, you liar.
>>>> You provide no steps or proofs, so ergo you must be a liar.
>>>> 
>>>> Eh?
>>>> 
>>>> Guffaw!!!!
>> 
>> In other words, "You won't play my trolling game, now I'm going to stamp
>> my little feet and cry!" Are you sure, you're not another "Snit,"
>> GreyCloud? Because you're sounding exactly like him.

> I am the one noting I will not play other's games. Look at how DFS has been
> begging me to recently. I play a little but not much.

> Heck, look at you YOU... with your iCultist this and iCultist that. Who are
> these "iCultists"? You never say but it is your trolling way to try to turn
> your obsession with all things Apple into a way to get attention from Mac
> users. 

> Of course, in the end you are just talking about your imaginary friends. It
> is weird.

Better duck before he throws a "Non-problem solved" at you.

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#288614

FromSnit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>
Date2015-04-08 17:11 -0700
Message-ID<D14B11B7.49CC0%usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>
In reply to#288606
On 4/8/15, 4:57 PM, in article gheut93.ap3v@rooftop.invalid, "owl"
<owl@rooftop.invalid> wrote:

> Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>> On 4/8/15, 3:48 PM, in article mg4b82$l6m$1@dont-email.me, "ronb"
>> <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>>> On Thu, 09 Apr 2015 00:39:06 +0200, Peter Köhlmann wrote:
>>> 
>>>>> The only one stupid here is you, you liar.
>>>>> You provide no steps or proofs, so ergo you must be a liar.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Eh?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Guffaw!!!!
>>> 
>>> In other words, "You won't play my trolling game, now I'm going to stamp
>>> my little feet and cry!" Are you sure, you're not another "Snit,"
>>> GreyCloud? Because you're sounding exactly like him.
> 
>> I am the one noting I will not play other's games. Look at how DFS has been
>> begging me to recently. I play a little but not much.
> 
>> Heck, look at you YOU... with your iCultist this and iCultist that. Who are
>> these "iCultists"? You never say but it is your trolling way to try to turn
>> your obsession with all things Apple into a way to get attention from Mac
>> users. 
> 
>> Of course, in the end you are just talking about your imaginary friends. It
>> is weird.
> 
> Better duck before he throws a "Non-problem solved" at you.
> 
LOL!


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#288737

FromGreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com>
Date2015-04-09 12:24 -0600
Message-ID<QIqdndkI4IxcXrvInZ2dnUU7-I2dnZ2d@bresnan.com>
In reply to#288587
ronb wrote:

> On Thu, 09 Apr 2015 00:39:06 +0200, Peter Köhlmann wrote:
> 
>>> The only one stupid here is you, you liar.
>>> You provide no steps or proofs, so ergo you must be a liar.
>>> 
>>> Eh?
>>> 
>>> Guffaw!!!!
> 
> In other words, "You won't play my trolling game, now I'm going to stamp
> my little feet and cry!" Are you sure, you're not another "Snit,"
> GreyCloud? Because you're sounding exactly like him.
>  
>> Ye gods! It is even worse.
>> You claim to have run Suse linux. *if* that were true, you could easily
>> see if I tell the truth or not. Instead you want "steps". Which you
>> could do yourself if you weren't so incredibly stupid. And if I provided
>> the howto step by step, you would still be way too stupid to follow any
>> of those
> 
> You won't play "Simon says" with them. How rude and unfair! :)
> 


Guffaw!!!  You're like Koldturd that does editorial snipping to make your 
stupid point look credible... but it isn't.  You are now a documented liar.

Don't you wish you had the money to buy an iMac?

LOL!!

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#288640

FromWilliam Poaster <wp@dev.null>
Date2015-04-09 00:01 +0100
Message-ID<ejogvb-mkb.ln1@user-1842.linux.individual.net>
In reply to#288582
It was reported that Peter Köhlmann posted:

> GreyCloud wrote:
>
>> Peter Köhlmann wrote:
>> 
>>> GreyCloud wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Peter Köhlmann wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Slimer wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 2015-04-07 4:12 PM, vallor wrote:
>>>>>>> On 04/07/2015 04:35 AM, Desk Rabbit wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 03/04/2015 01:46, GreyCloud wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Peter Köhlmann wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> GreyCloud wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> ronb wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 02 Apr 2015 00:26:59 +0200, Peter Köhlmann wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> How about the update which recently put Windows machines into a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> perpetual reboot? MS had to retract several updates in the last
>>>>>>>>>>>>> months
>>>>>>>>>>>>> because of major problems
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Microsoft knows they have trouble with updates. That's why they
>>>>>>>>>>>> have "Restore Points." Unfortunately these so-called "restore
>>>>>>>>>>>> points" hardly
>>>>>>>>>>>> every work. I think one time one actually worked for me. What it
>>>>>>>>>>>> usually
>>>>>>>>>>>> comes down to is, try to fix it with a Windows tool, reboot, try
>>>>>>>>>>>> again,
>>>>>>>>>>>> reboot, try again, reboot ... reboot, reboot again ... reinstall
>>>>>>>>>>>> from scratch.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Uh... yes the restore point really works.
>>>>>>>>>>> I had to use it to get rid of IE 11.
>>>>>>>>>>> Worked perfectly.
>>>>>>>>>>> Also used restore point after trying out VS2013.
>>>>>>>>>>> Worked perfectly.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Updated OpenSuse 13.2 a while back and it hosed the system due to
>>>>>>>>>>> a bug.
>>>>>>>>>>> Restore point for that one?  Doesn't have one.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Idiot. Naturally "restore points" exist in linux. But since you
>>>>>>>>>> are a demented fool you are unable to find it when it isn't called
>>>>>>>>>> "restore point"
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> How come that you are so incredible incompetent?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Says the guy that has yet to prove anything.  Guffaw!!!
>>>>>>>>> More like a lie from you.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> More typical Peter nonsense. He claims that restore points exist but
>>>>>>>> are called something else but strangely cannot name it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> A quick look at the OpenSuse forums show he is once again talking
>>>>>>>> complete nonsense.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://forums.opensuse.org/showthread.php/486108-Restore-points->
>>>>>>>> Rescue-Recovery-Repair-etc
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Quote "In general using openSUSE and EXT4 partitions, your only
>>>>>>>> options are to use a standard backup utility"
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So in truth OpenSuse does not have restore points in the same way
>>>>>>>> Windows does out of the box.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>   ...because Internet forums are always accurate.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://i.imgur.com/bEZNSXb.jpg
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> He said "out of the box." Whether you tap dance or not, the standard
>>>>>> Linux installation doesn't offer LVM snapshots.
>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> The "standard linux installation" will not offer LVM.
>>>>> That is a user choice.
>>>>> 
>>>>> In short: You are trying to muddy the waters again by changing the
>>>>> topic / goalposts to "LVM snapshots"
>>>>> The topic is "snapshots". And they are provided out of the box
>>>> 
>>>> And where does the installation program offer this snapshot??
>>>> It doesn't, so stop your lying.
>>>> Typical Koldturd.
>>> 
>>> And you actually claim to have used Suse linux? Really? Why are yu unable
>>> to read what "Yast" writes? Are you really *that* stuupid? I thought that
>>> you are stupid like dirt. But that was too high praise for you
>> 
>> The only one stupid here is you, you liar.
>> You provide no steps or proofs, so ergo you must be a liar.
>> 
>> Eh?
>> 
>> Guffaw!!!!
>
> Ye gods! It is even worse.
> You claim to have run Suse linux. *if* that were true, you could easily see 
> if I tell the truth or not. Instead you want "steps". Which you could do 
> yourself if you weren't so incredibly stupid. And if I provided the howto 
> step by step, you would still be way too stupid to follow any of those.

It's typical of a Windows user "Hold my hand, I can't find how to do it by
myself.."
Same with the morons who couldn't find the CERN Linux pages.
Jeezus H. Keerist but these windows lusers are *dumb* bastards.

-- 
openSUSE 13.2 64-bit
KDE 4.14.6
Kernel: 3.19.3-1.1.desktop x86_64 GNU/Linux 2015-3-27

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#288642

FromDesk Rabbit <me@example.com>
Date2015-04-09 09:44 +0100
Message-ID<mg5e36$gj1$2@deskrabbit.motzarella.org>
In reply to#288640
On 09/04/2015 00:01, William Poaster wrote:
> It was reported that Peter Köhlmann posted:
>
>> GreyCloud wrote:
>>
>>> Peter Köhlmann wrote:
>>>
>>>> GreyCloud wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Peter Köhlmann wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Slimer wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 2015-04-07 4:12 PM, vallor wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 04/07/2015 04:35 AM, Desk Rabbit wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 03/04/2015 01:46, GreyCloud wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Peter Köhlmann wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> GreyCloud wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> ronb wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 02 Apr 2015 00:26:59 +0200, Peter Köhlmann wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How about the update which recently put Windows machines into a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> perpetual reboot? MS had to retract several updates in the last
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> months
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because of major problems
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Microsoft knows they have trouble with updates. That's why they
>>>>>>>>>>>>> have "Restore Points." Unfortunately these so-called "restore
>>>>>>>>>>>>> points" hardly
>>>>>>>>>>>>> every work. I think one time one actually worked for me. What it
>>>>>>>>>>>>> usually
>>>>>>>>>>>>> comes down to is, try to fix it with a Windows tool, reboot, try
>>>>>>>>>>>>> again,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> reboot, try again, reboot ... reboot, reboot again ... reinstall
>>>>>>>>>>>>> from scratch.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Uh... yes the restore point really works.
>>>>>>>>>>>> I had to use it to get rid of IE 11.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Worked perfectly.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Also used restore point after trying out VS2013.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Worked perfectly.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Updated OpenSuse 13.2 a while back and it hosed the system due to
>>>>>>>>>>>> a bug.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Restore point for that one?  Doesn't have one.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Idiot. Naturally "restore points" exist in linux. But since you
>>>>>>>>>>> are a demented fool you are unable to find it when it isn't called
>>>>>>>>>>> "restore point"
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> How come that you are so incredible incompetent?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Says the guy that has yet to prove anything.  Guffaw!!!
>>>>>>>>>> More like a lie from you.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> More typical Peter nonsense. He claims that restore points exist but
>>>>>>>>> are called something else but strangely cannot name it.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> A quick look at the OpenSuse forums show he is once again talking
>>>>>>>>> complete nonsense.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://forums.opensuse.org/showthread.php/486108-Restore-points->
>>>>>>>>> Rescue-Recovery-Repair-etc
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Quote "In general using openSUSE and EXT4 partitions, your only
>>>>>>>>> options are to use a standard backup utility"
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> So in truth OpenSuse does not have restore points in the same way
>>>>>>>>> Windows does out of the box.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>    ...because Internet forums are always accurate.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://i.imgur.com/bEZNSXb.jpg
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> He said "out of the box." Whether you tap dance or not, the standard
>>>>>>> Linux installation doesn't offer LVM snapshots.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The "standard linux installation" will not offer LVM.
>>>>>> That is a user choice.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In short: You are trying to muddy the waters again by changing the
>>>>>> topic / goalposts to "LVM snapshots"
>>>>>> The topic is "snapshots". And they are provided out of the box
>>>>>
>>>>> And where does the installation program offer this snapshot??
>>>>> It doesn't, so stop your lying.
>>>>> Typical Koldturd.
>>>>
>>>> And you actually claim to have used Suse linux? Really? Why are yu unable
>>>> to read what "Yast" writes? Are you really *that* stuupid? I thought that
>>>> you are stupid like dirt. But that was too high praise for you
>>>
>>> The only one stupid here is you, you liar.
>>> You provide no steps or proofs, so ergo you must be a liar.
>>>
>>> Eh?
>>>
>>> Guffaw!!!!
>>
>> Ye gods! It is even worse.
>> You claim to have run Suse linux. *if* that were true, you could easily see
>> if I tell the truth or not. Instead you want "steps". Which you could do
>> yourself if you weren't so incredibly stupid. And if I provided the howto
>> step by step, you would still be way too stupid to follow any of those.
>
> It's typical of a Windows user "Hold my hand, I can't find how to do it by
> myself.."

Incorrect analogy. All we were asking for is that thing that is as 
abhorrent to you Linux loonies as soap and water - facts and proof.

> Same with the morons who couldn't find the CERN Linux pages.
> Jeezus H. Keerist but these windows lusers are *dumb* bastards.
>

Oh we found them alright and saw how little Linux was used and was not 
the default OS. Thanks for the reminder.

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#288647

FromPeter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de>
Date2015-04-09 12:48 +0200
Message-ID<mg5lbr$a7k$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#288642
Desk Rabbit wrote:

> On 09/04/2015 00:01, William Poaster wrote:
>> It was reported that Peter Köhlmann posted:
>>
>>> GreyCloud wrote:
>>>
>>>> Peter Köhlmann wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> GreyCloud wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Peter Köhlmann wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Slimer wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 2015-04-07 4:12 PM, vallor wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 04/07/2015 04:35 AM, Desk Rabbit wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 03/04/2015 01:46, GreyCloud wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Peter Köhlmann wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> GreyCloud wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ronb wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 02 Apr 2015 00:26:59 +0200, Peter Köhlmann wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How about the update which recently put Windows machines
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> into a perpetual reboot? MS had to retract several updates
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the last months
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because of major problems
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Microsoft knows they have trouble with updates. That's why
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they have "Restore Points." Unfortunately these so-called
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "restore points" hardly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> every work. I think one time one actually worked for me. What
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it usually
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> comes down to is, try to fix it with a Windows tool, reboot,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> try again,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reboot, try again, reboot ... reboot, reboot again ...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reinstall from scratch.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Uh... yes the restore point really works.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I had to use it to get rid of IE 11.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Worked perfectly.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Also used restore point after trying out VS2013.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Worked perfectly.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Updated OpenSuse 13.2 a while back and it hosed the system due
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to a bug.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Restore point for that one?  Doesn't have one.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Idiot. Naturally "restore points" exist in linux. But since you
>>>>>>>>>>>> are a demented fool you are unable to find it when it isn't
>>>>>>>>>>>> called "restore point"
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> How come that you are so incredible incompetent?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Says the guy that has yet to prove anything.  Guffaw!!!
>>>>>>>>>>> More like a lie from you.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> More typical Peter nonsense. He claims that restore points exist
>>>>>>>>>> but are called something else but strangely cannot name it.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> A quick look at the OpenSuse forums show he is once again talking
>>>>>>>>>> complete nonsense.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> https://forums.opensuse.org/showthread.php/486108-Restore-points->
>>>>>>>>>> Rescue-Recovery-Repair-etc
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Quote "In general using openSUSE and EXT4 partitions, your only
>>>>>>>>>> options are to use a standard backup utility"
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> So in truth OpenSuse does not have restore points in the same way
>>>>>>>>>> Windows does out of the box.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>    ...because Internet forums are always accurate.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> http://i.imgur.com/bEZNSXb.jpg
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> He said "out of the box." Whether you tap dance or not, the
>>>>>>>> standard Linux installation doesn't offer LVM snapshots.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The "standard linux installation" will not offer LVM.
>>>>>>> That is a user choice.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In short: You are trying to muddy the waters again by changing the
>>>>>>> topic / goalposts to "LVM snapshots"
>>>>>>> The topic is "snapshots". And they are provided out of the box
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And where does the installation program offer this snapshot??
>>>>>> It doesn't, so stop your lying.
>>>>>> Typical Koldturd.
>>>>>
>>>>> And you actually claim to have used Suse linux? Really? Why are yu
>>>>> unable to read what "Yast" writes? Are you really *that* stuupid? I
>>>>> thought that you are stupid like dirt. But that was too high praise
>>>>> for you
>>>>
>>>> The only one stupid here is you, you liar.
>>>> You provide no steps or proofs, so ergo you must be a liar.
>>>>
>>>> Eh?
>>>>
>>>> Guffaw!!!!
>>>
>>> Ye gods! It is even worse.
>>> You claim to have run Suse linux. *if* that were true, you could easily
>>> see if I tell the truth or not. Instead you want "steps". Which you
>>> could do yourself if you weren't so incredibly stupid. And if I provided
>>> the howto step by step, you would still be way too stupid to follow any
>>> of those.
>>
>> It's typical of a Windows user "Hold my hand, I can't find how to do it
>> by myself.."
> 
> Incorrect analogy. All we were asking for is that thing that is as
> abhorrent to you Linux loonies as soap and water - facts and proof.

Even when told how it is called, where to find it you still are unable to 
check for yourself that your claims are pure, unadultered bullshit?

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#288655

FromWilliam Poaster <wp@dev.null>
Date2015-04-09 12:37 +0100
Message-ID<0t4ivb-6ei.ln1@user-1842.linux.individual.net>
In reply to#288647
It was reported that Peter Köhlmann posted:

> Desk Rabbit wrote:
>
>> On 09/04/2015 00:01, William Poaster wrote:
>>> It was reported that Peter Köhlmann posted:
>>>
>>>> GreyCloud wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Peter Köhlmann wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> GreyCloud wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Peter Köhlmann wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Slimer wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 2015-04-07 4:12 PM, vallor wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 04/07/2015 04:35 AM, Desk Rabbit wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 03/04/2015 01:46, GreyCloud wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Peter Köhlmann wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> GreyCloud wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ronb wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 02 Apr 2015 00:26:59 +0200, Peter Köhlmann wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How about the update which recently put Windows machines
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> into a perpetual reboot? MS had to retract several updates
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the last months
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because of major problems
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Microsoft knows they have trouble with updates. That's why
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they have "Restore Points." Unfortunately these so-called
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "restore points" hardly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> every work. I think one time one actually worked for me. What
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it usually
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> comes down to is, try to fix it with a Windows tool, reboot,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> try again,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reboot, try again, reboot ... reboot, reboot again ...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reinstall from scratch.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Uh... yes the restore point really works.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I had to use it to get rid of IE 11.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Worked perfectly.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Also used restore point after trying out VS2013.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Worked perfectly.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Updated OpenSuse 13.2 a while back and it hosed the system due
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to a bug.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Restore point for that one?  Doesn't have one.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Idiot. Naturally "restore points" exist in linux. But since you
>>>>>>>>>>>>> are a demented fool you are unable to find it when it isn't
>>>>>>>>>>>>> called "restore point"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> How come that you are so incredible incompetent?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Says the guy that has yet to prove anything.  Guffaw!!!
>>>>>>>>>>>> More like a lie from you.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> More typical Peter nonsense. He claims that restore points exist
>>>>>>>>>>> but are called something else but strangely cannot name it.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> A quick look at the OpenSuse forums show he is once again talking
>>>>>>>>>>> complete nonsense.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> https://forums.opensuse.org/showthread.php/486108-Restore-points->
>>>>>>>>>>> Rescue-Recovery-Repair-etc
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Quote "In general using openSUSE and EXT4 partitions, your only
>>>>>>>>>>> options are to use a standard backup utility"
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> So in truth OpenSuse does not have restore points in the same way
>>>>>>>>>>> Windows does out of the box.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>    ...because Internet forums are always accurate.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> http://i.imgur.com/bEZNSXb.jpg
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> He said "out of the box." Whether you tap dance or not, the
>>>>>>>>> standard Linux installation doesn't offer LVM snapshots.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The "standard linux installation" will not offer LVM.
>>>>>>>> That is a user choice.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In short: You are trying to muddy the waters again by changing the
>>>>>>>> topic / goalposts to "LVM snapshots"
>>>>>>>> The topic is "snapshots". And they are provided out of the box
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And where does the installation program offer this snapshot??
>>>>>>> It doesn't, so stop your lying.
>>>>>>> Typical Koldturd.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And you actually claim to have used Suse linux? Really? Why are yu
>>>>>> unable to read what "Yast" writes? Are you really *that* stuupid? I
>>>>>> thought that you are stupid like dirt. But that was too high praise
>>>>>> for you
>>>>>
>>>>> The only one stupid here is you, you liar.
>>>>> You provide no steps or proofs, so ergo you must be a liar.
>>>>>
>>>>> Eh?
>>>>>
>>>>> Guffaw!!!!
>>>>
>>>> Ye gods! It is even worse.
>>>> You claim to have run Suse linux. *if* that were true, you could easily
>>>> see if I tell the truth or not. Instead you want "steps". Which you
>>>> could do yourself if you weren't so incredibly stupid. And if I provided
>>>> the howto step by step, you would still be way too stupid to follow any
>>>> of those.
>>>
>>> It's typical of a Windows user "Hold my hand, I can't find how to do it
>>> by myself.."
>> 
>> Correct analogy. 

I've corrected DumbRabbit's quote.

>> All we were asking for is that thing that is as abhorrent to you 
>> Linux loonies as soap and water - facts and proof.

Translation: We can google for GNU/LInux faults etc, but cannot find
anything about BtrFS & how it works. 
These dimwit's couldn't find their way out of a paper bag! LOL

FFS, I found a list of BtrFS features (which *includes* snapshots) without
any bother. Why can't they?
J.H.C. these wintrolls are *thicker* than mud.

> Even when told how it is called, where to find it you still are unable to 
> check for yourself that your claims are pure, unadultered bullshit?

And still the DumbRabbit troll replies to me, even though I've had the
moron binned for ages. Shows you how stupid *he* is.

-- 
openSUSE 13.2 64-bit
KDE 4.14.6
Kernel: 3.19.3-1.1.desktop x86_64 GNU/Linux 2015-3-27

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#288663

Fromchrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid>
Date2015-04-09 07:39 -0500
Message-ID<7gscia9k1l9apkv7v79bhkumm8pomj0nto@4ax.com>
In reply to#288655
William Poaster wrote:

>FFS, I found a list of BtrFS features (which *includes* snapshots) without
>any bother. Why can't they?
>J.H.C. these wintrolls are *thicker* than mud.

Indeed.  I can't believe this issue is still going-on.  The worthless
fscking trolls shouldn't be given the honor of a response.

-- 
'More specifically, a company that is coming out with a
netbook/tablet/etc will likely select a platform for their device.
Will it be the "open" Linux kernel or will it be the proprietary one
from Google. If they intend on running Android - it's likely to be the
later.'  -  trolling fsckwit "Ezekiel"

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#288690

FromDesk Rabbit <me@example.com>
Date2015-04-09 16:57 +0100
Message-ID<mg67f5$go7$1@deskrabbit.motzarella.org>
In reply to#288655
On 09/04/2015 12:37, William Poaster wrote:
> It was reported that Peter Köhlmann posted:
>
>> Desk Rabbit wrote:
>>
>>> On 09/04/2015 00:01, William Poaster wrote:
>>>> It was reported that Peter Köhlmann posted:
>>>>
>>>>> GreyCloud wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Peter Köhlmann wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> GreyCloud wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Peter Köhlmann wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Slimer wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 2015-04-07 4:12 PM, vallor wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 04/07/2015 04:35 AM, Desk Rabbit wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 03/04/2015 01:46, GreyCloud wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peter Köhlmann wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> GreyCloud wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ronb wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 02 Apr 2015 00:26:59 +0200, Peter Köhlmann wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How about the update which recently put Windows machines
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> into a perpetual reboot? MS had to retract several updates
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the last months
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because of major problems
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Microsoft knows they have trouble with updates. That's why
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they have "Restore Points." Unfortunately these so-called
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "restore points" hardly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> every work. I think one time one actually worked for me. What
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it usually
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> comes down to is, try to fix it with a Windows tool, reboot,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> try again,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reboot, try again, reboot ... reboot, reboot again ...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reinstall from scratch.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Uh... yes the restore point really works.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I had to use it to get rid of IE 11.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Worked perfectly.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Also used restore point after trying out VS2013.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Worked perfectly.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Updated OpenSuse 13.2 a while back and it hosed the system due
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to a bug.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Restore point for that one?  Doesn't have one.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Idiot. Naturally "restore points" exist in linux. But since you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are a demented fool you are unable to find it when it isn't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> called "restore point"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How come that you are so incredible incompetent?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Says the guy that has yet to prove anything.  Guffaw!!!
>>>>>>>>>>>>> More like a lie from you.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> More typical Peter nonsense. He claims that restore points exist
>>>>>>>>>>>> but are called something else but strangely cannot name it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> A quick look at the OpenSuse forums show he is once again talking
>>>>>>>>>>>> complete nonsense.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> https://forums.opensuse.org/showthread.php/486108-Restore-points->
>>>>>>>>>>>> Rescue-Recovery-Repair-etc
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Quote "In general using openSUSE and EXT4 partitions, your only
>>>>>>>>>>>> options are to use a standard backup utility"
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> So in truth OpenSuse does not have restore points in the same way
>>>>>>>>>>>> Windows does out of the box.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>     ...because Internet forums are always accurate.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> http://i.imgur.com/bEZNSXb.jpg
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> He said "out of the box." Whether you tap dance or not, the
>>>>>>>>>> standard Linux installation doesn't offer LVM snapshots.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The "standard linux installation" will not offer LVM.
>>>>>>>>> That is a user choice.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In short: You are trying to muddy the waters again by changing the
>>>>>>>>> topic / goalposts to "LVM snapshots"
>>>>>>>>> The topic is "snapshots". And they are provided out of the box
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And where does the installation program offer this snapshot??
>>>>>>>> It doesn't, so stop your lying.
>>>>>>>> Typical Koldturd.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And you actually claim to have used Suse linux? Really? Why are yu
>>>>>>> unable to read what "Yast" writes? Are you really *that* stuupid? I
>>>>>>> thought that you are stupid like dirt. But that was too high praise
>>>>>>> for you
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The only one stupid here is you, you liar.
>>>>>> You provide no steps or proofs, so ergo you must be a liar.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Eh?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Guffaw!!!!
>>>>>
>>>>> Ye gods! It is even worse.
>>>>> You claim to have run Suse linux. *if* that were true, you could easily
>>>>> see if I tell the truth or not. Instead you want "steps". Which you
>>>>> could do yourself if you weren't so incredibly stupid. And if I provided
>>>>> the howto step by step, you would still be way too stupid to follow any
>>>>> of those.
>>>>
>>>> It's typical of a Windows user "Hold my hand, I can't find how to do it
>>>> by myself.."
>>>
>>> Correct analogy.
>
> I've corrected DumbRabbit's quote.
>
>>> All we were asking for is that thing that is as abhorrent to you
>>> Linux loonies as soap and water - facts and proof.
>
> Translation: We can google for GNU/LInux faults etc, but cannot find
> anything about BtrFS & how it works.
> These dimwit's couldn't find their way out of a paper bag! LOL
>
> FFS, I found a list of BtrFS features (which *includes* snapshots) without
> any bother. Why can't they?
> J.H.C. these wintrolls are *thicker* than mud.
>
>> Even when told how it is called, where to find it you still are unable to
>> check for yourself that your claims are pure, unadultered bullshit?
>
> And still the DumbRabbit troll replies to me, even though I've had the
> moron binned for ages. Shows you how stupid *he* is.
>

Yet somehow you are seeing my responses and caring enough to comment on 
them ;-)


So as I know you will read this, lets just refresh you faulty memory:

Peter claimed that restore points existed in LINUX.

He couldn't or wouldn't say how or where, he preferred to just call 
everyone an idiot instead of just simply stating the fact of the matter.

Later he came back to say that this feature existed in ONE distro 
(OpenSuse) by virtue of the fact that it now used btrfs.  Up until 
November 2014 OpenSuse used the same file system that pretty much every 
other distro uses which does not have snapshot features that btrfs.

I've already said I wasn't aware of this new development in a distro I 
don't use but Peter says he uses on a daily basis, so why couldn't he 
just mention this feature in his favourite OS instead of being an arse? 
One has to conclude that either he enjoys being a loud mouth or he 
wasn't aware of the function himself until he Googled it.

So far only ONE distro appears to have out of the box Restore Points 
which Windows has had for 15 years.

No other distro has btrfs as default so to claim that Linux in the 
context where we are comparing it to Windows Desktop has Restore Points 
is patently wrong.

Peter further compounded the situation by claiming that btrfs was 
standard on the big/major Linux server operating systems. So far he has 
yet to provide one example to back this claim.


Lastly, there are issues with this system that cause it to eat up disk 
space, something I've never seen Windows Restore Points do.

http://www.nrtm.org/index.php/2012/03/13/the-joys-of-btrfs-and-opensuse-or-no-space-left-on-device/comment-page-1/

Yup I know it's dated 2012, just read the comments. It's a problem that 
was there in 2012 and it's still catching people out in 2015.

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#288695

FromTomas <tgif9fri@numo.net>
Date2015-04-09 12:03 -0400
Message-ID<1wxfnb4ohh9r2.15lnx760wzp9v$.dlg@40tude.net>
In reply to#288690
On Thu, 09 Apr 2015 16:57:13 +0100, Desk Rabbit wrote:

> On 09/04/2015 12:37, William Poaster wrote:
>> It was reported that Peter Köhlmann posted:
>>
>>> Desk Rabbit wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 09/04/2015 00:01, William Poaster wrote:
>>>>> It was reported that Peter Köhlmann posted:
>>>>>
>>>>>> GreyCloud wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Peter Köhlmann wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> GreyCloud wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Peter Köhlmann wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Slimer wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 2015-04-07 4:12 PM, vallor wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 04/07/2015 04:35 AM, Desk Rabbit wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 03/04/2015 01:46, GreyCloud wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peter Köhlmann wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> GreyCloud wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ronb wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 02 Apr 2015 00:26:59 +0200, Peter Köhlmann wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How about the update which recently put Windows machines
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> into a perpetual reboot? MS had to retract several updates
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the last months
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because of major problems
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Microsoft knows they have trouble with updates. That's why
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they have "Restore Points." Unfortunately these so-called
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "restore points" hardly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> every work. I think one time one actually worked for me. What
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it usually
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> comes down to is, try to fix it with a Windows tool, reboot,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> try again,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reboot, try again, reboot ... reboot, reboot again ...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reinstall from scratch.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Uh... yes the restore point really works.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I had to use it to get rid of IE 11.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Worked perfectly.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Also used restore point after trying out VS2013.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Worked perfectly.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Updated OpenSuse 13.2 a while back and it hosed the system due
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to a bug.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Restore point for that one?  Doesn't have one.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Idiot. Naturally "restore points" exist in linux. But since you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are a demented fool you are unable to find it when it isn't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> called "restore point"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How come that you are so incredible incompetent?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Says the guy that has yet to prove anything.  Guffaw!!!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> More like a lie from you.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> More typical Peter nonsense. He claims that restore points exist
>>>>>>>>>>>>> but are called something else but strangely cannot name it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> A quick look at the OpenSuse forums show he is once again talking
>>>>>>>>>>>>> complete nonsense.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://forums.opensuse.org/showthread.php/486108-Restore-points->
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rescue-Recovery-Repair-etc
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Quote "In general using openSUSE and EXT4 partitions, your only
>>>>>>>>>>>>> options are to use a standard backup utility"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> So in truth OpenSuse does not have restore points in the same way
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Windows does out of the box.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>     ...because Internet forums are always accurate.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://i.imgur.com/bEZNSXb.jpg
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> He said "out of the box." Whether you tap dance or not, the
>>>>>>>>>>> standard Linux installation doesn't offer LVM snapshots.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The "standard linux installation" will not offer LVM.
>>>>>>>>>> That is a user choice.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> In short: You are trying to muddy the waters again by changing the
>>>>>>>>>> topic / goalposts to "LVM snapshots"
>>>>>>>>>> The topic is "snapshots". And they are provided out of the box
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> And where does the installation program offer this snapshot??
>>>>>>>>> It doesn't, so stop your lying.
>>>>>>>>> Typical Koldturd.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And you actually claim to have used Suse linux? Really? Why are yu
>>>>>>>> unable to read what "Yast" writes? Are you really *that* stuupid? I
>>>>>>>> thought that you are stupid like dirt. But that was too high praise
>>>>>>>> for you
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The only one stupid here is you, you liar.
>>>>>>> You provide no steps or proofs, so ergo you must be a liar.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Eh?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Guffaw!!!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ye gods! It is even worse.
>>>>>> You claim to have run Suse linux. *if* that were true, you could easily
>>>>>> see if I tell the truth or not. Instead you want "steps". Which you
>>>>>> could do yourself if you weren't so incredibly stupid. And if I provided
>>>>>> the howto step by step, you would still be way too stupid to follow any
>>>>>> of those.
>>>>>
>>>>> It's typical of a Windows user "Hold my hand, I can't find how to do it
>>>>> by myself.."
>>>>
>>>> Correct analogy.
>>
>> I've corrected DumbRabbit's quote.
>>
>>>> All we were asking for is that thing that is as abhorrent to you
>>>> Linux loonies as soap and water - facts and proof.
>>
>> Translation: We can google for GNU/LInux faults etc, but cannot find
>> anything about BtrFS & how it works.
>> These dimwit's couldn't find their way out of a paper bag! LOL
>>
>> FFS, I found a list of BtrFS features (which *includes* snapshots) without
>> any bother. Why can't they?
>> J.H.C. these wintrolls are *thicker* than mud.
>>
>>> Even when told how it is called, where to find it you still are unable to
>>> check for yourself that your claims are pure, unadultered bullshit?
>>
>> And still the DumbRabbit troll replies to me, even though I've had the
>> moron binned for ages. Shows you how stupid *he* is.
>>
> 
> Yet somehow you are seeing my responses and caring enough to comment on 
> them ;-)
> 
> 
> So as I know you will read this, lets just refresh you faulty memory:
> 
> Peter claimed that restore points existed in LINUX.
> 
> He couldn't or wouldn't say how or where, he preferred to just call 
> everyone an idiot instead of just simply stating the fact of the matter.
> 
> Later he came back to say that this feature existed in ONE distro 
> (OpenSuse) by virtue of the fact that it now used btrfs.  Up until 
> November 2014 OpenSuse used the same file system that pretty much every 
> other distro uses which does not have snapshot features that btrfs.
> 
> I've already said I wasn't aware of this new development in a distro I 
> don't use but Peter says he uses on a daily basis, so why couldn't he 
> just mention this feature in his favourite OS instead of being an arse? 
> One has to conclude that either he enjoys being a loud mouth or he 
> wasn't aware of the function himself until he Googled it.
> 
> So far only ONE distro appears to have out of the box Restore Points 
> which Windows has had for 15 years.
> 
> No other distro has btrfs as default so to claim that Linux in the 
> context where we are comparing it to Windows Desktop has Restore Points 
> is patently wrong.
> 
> Peter further compounded the situation by claiming that btrfs was 
> standard on the big/major Linux server operating systems. So far he has 
> yet to provide one example to back this claim.
> 
> 
> Lastly, there are issues with this system that cause it to eat up disk 
> space, something I've never seen Windows Restore Points do.
> 
> http://www.nrtm.org/index.php/2012/03/13/the-joys-of-btrfs-and-opensuse-or-no-space-left-on-device/comment-page-1/
> 
> Yup I know it's dated 2012, just read the comments. It's a problem that 
> was there in 2012 and it's still catching people out in 2015.

Windows restore points work rather well in my opinion. They are not
infallible though and I have had situations where I was unable to
restore to a selected restore point. I simply chose a different one
and it worked fine. 

I have no idea how this works under Opensuse but if it's like the
rest of Opensuse I wouldn't trust it as far as I can toss the DVD.
Just navigating through that travesty yast is painful enough. I
wouldn't wish Opensuse on my worst enemy. Novell totally fucked it up
and it's been going downhill ever since.

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#288735

FromGreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com>
Date2015-04-09 12:22 -0600
Message-ID<QIqdnd4I4Iz-XrvInZ2dnUU7-I2dnZ2d@bresnan.com>
In reply to#288695
Tomas wrote:

>> 
>> 
>> Lastly, there are issues with this system that cause it to eat up disk
>> space, something I've never seen Windows Restore Points do.
>> 
>> http://www.nrtm.org/index.php/2012/03/13/the-joys-of-btrfs-and-opensuse-
or-no-space-left-on-device/comment-page-1/
>> 
>> Yup I know it's dated 2012, just read the comments. It's a problem that
>> was there in 2012 and it's still catching people out in 2015.
> 
> Windows restore points work rather well in my opinion. They are not
> infallible though and I have had situations where I was unable to
> restore to a selected restore point. I simply chose a different one
> and it worked fine.
> 
> I have no idea how this works under Opensuse but if it's like the
> rest of Opensuse I wouldn't trust it as far as I can toss the DVD.
> Just navigating through that travesty yast is painful enough. I
> wouldn't wish Opensuse on my worst enemy. Novell totally fucked it up
> and it's been going downhill ever since.

Agreed.  OpenSuse is mostly poorly designed eye candy and nothing more.
I like RedHat Linux, but it really doens't hold up like Solaris 11 does.
But that is on the bigger systems of course where they have predictive 
failure analysis ongoing and lets you know of a possible upcoming problem.

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#288742

FromSlimer <slvrslmr@lv.c>
Date2015-04-09 14:29 -0400
Message-ID<mg6gcv$n1u$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#288735
On 2015-04-09 2:22 PM, GreyCloud wrote:
> Tomas wrote:
>
>>>
>>>
>>> Lastly, there are issues with this system that cause it to eat up disk
>>> space, something I've never seen Windows Restore Points do.
>>>
>>> http://www.nrtm.org/index.php/2012/03/13/the-joys-of-btrfs-and-opensuse-
> or-no-space-left-on-device/comment-page-1/
>>>
>>> Yup I know it's dated 2012, just read the comments. It's a problem that
>>> was there in 2012 and it's still catching people out in 2015.
>>
>> Windows restore points work rather well in my opinion. They are not
>> infallible though and I have had situations where I was unable to
>> restore to a selected restore point. I simply chose a different one
>> and it worked fine.
>>
>> I have no idea how this works under Opensuse but if it's like the
>> rest of Opensuse I wouldn't trust it as far as I can toss the DVD.
>> Just navigating through that travesty yast is painful enough. I
>> wouldn't wish Opensuse on my worst enemy. Novell totally fucked it up
>> and it's been going downhill ever since.
>
> Agreed.  OpenSuse is mostly poorly designed eye candy and nothing more.
> I like RedHat Linux, but it really doens't hold up like Solaris 11 does.
> But that is on the bigger systems of course where they have predictive
> failure analysis ongoing and lets you know of a possible upcoming problem.

Anyone who's used Novell software on Windows installations knows that 
just about anything they touch turns to Peter Köhlmann. I like your 
comment about eye candy though. It seems to me that most of the energy 
Linux developers have goes into covering the operating system with nifty 
icons and special effects with absolutely no thought going into 
providing the user with a decent, working operating system. There's no 
excuse for the "operating system" making many features available to the 
user in both the third-party software and the desktop environment 
settings themselves which don't actually function. For example, if there 
is a feature to invert the colours on the screen and it doesn't actually 
work, no software other than the Linux toiletware would actually put it 
in a menu. Meanwhile, Linux does this all the time and it is incredibly 
frustrating. No coverage of pretty icons or rotating cubes will distract 
people from the fact that it simply doesn't work.


-- 
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OpenMedia, GreenPeace Supporter & SPCA Paw Partner
Encrypt.

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#288823

FromGreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com>
Date2015-04-09 20:36 -0600
Message-ID<4_-dnWT74OfcqrrInZ2dnUU7-XWdnZ2d@bresnan.com>
In reply to#288742
Slimer wrote:

> On 2015-04-09 2:22 PM, GreyCloud wrote:
>> Tomas wrote:
>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Lastly, there are issues with this system that cause it to eat up disk
>>>> space, something I've never seen Windows Restore Points do.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.nrtm.org/index.php/2012/03/13/the-joys-of-btrfs-and-
opensuse-
>> or-no-space-left-on-device/comment-page-1/
>>>>
>>>> Yup I know it's dated 2012, just read the comments. It's a problem that
>>>> was there in 2012 and it's still catching people out in 2015.
>>>
>>> Windows restore points work rather well in my opinion. They are not
>>> infallible though and I have had situations where I was unable to
>>> restore to a selected restore point. I simply chose a different one
>>> and it worked fine.
>>>
>>> I have no idea how this works under Opensuse but if it's like the
>>> rest of Opensuse I wouldn't trust it as far as I can toss the DVD.
>>> Just navigating through that travesty yast is painful enough. I
>>> wouldn't wish Opensuse on my worst enemy. Novell totally fucked it up
>>> and it's been going downhill ever since.
>>
>> Agreed.  OpenSuse is mostly poorly designed eye candy and nothing more.
>> I like RedHat Linux, but it really doens't hold up like Solaris 11 does.
>> But that is on the bigger systems of course where they have predictive
>> failure analysis ongoing and lets you know of a possible upcoming
>> problem.
> 
> Anyone who's used Novell software on Windows installations knows that
> just about anything they touch turns to Peter Köhlmann. I like your
> comment about eye candy though. It seems to me that most of the energy
> Linux developers have goes into covering the operating system with nifty
> icons and special effects with absolutely no thought going into
> providing the user with a decent, working operating system. There's no
> excuse for the "operating system" making many features available to the
> user in both the third-party software and the desktop environment
> settings themselves which don't actually function. For example, if there
> is a feature to invert the colours on the screen and it doesn't actually
> work, no software other than the Linux toiletware would actually put it
> in a menu. Meanwhile, Linux does this all the time and it is incredibly
> frustrating. No coverage of pretty icons or rotating cubes will distract
> people from the fact that it simply doesn't work.
> 
> 
After you get past the eye candy, it's when you want to do something with 
the system is where the problems come in.  After using IBMs, Primes, VAXes, 
Suns, Wangs, etc., in over the past 30 years, desktop linux is still 
wanting.  It's the apps that make the os become usable.  About the only 
thing that I've used on linux are the compilers... and even then, they break 
a few rules that Sun (Oracle) haven't broken.  But even MS own C compiler 
has broken one of those rules.  Earlier versions of MS C didn't do that.  So 
then it comes down to making changes to your own code, and that isn't fun to 
do.

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#288866

FromDesk Rabbit <me@example.com>
Date2015-04-10 10:10 +0100
Message-ID<mg840p$m0v$1@deskrabbit.motzarella.org>
In reply to#288695
On 09/04/2015 17:03, Tomas wrote:
> On Thu, 09 Apr 2015 16:57:13 +0100, Desk Rabbit wrote:
>
>> On 09/04/2015 12:37, William Poaster wrote:
>>> It was reported that Peter Köhlmann posted:
>>>
>>>> Desk Rabbit wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 09/04/2015 00:01, William Poaster wrote:
>>>>>> It was reported that Peter Köhlmann posted:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> GreyCloud wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Peter Köhlmann wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> GreyCloud wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Peter Köhlmann wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Slimer wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2015-04-07 4:12 PM, vallor wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 04/07/2015 04:35 AM, Desk Rabbit wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 03/04/2015 01:46, GreyCloud wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peter Köhlmann wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> GreyCloud wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ronb wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 02 Apr 2015 00:26:59 +0200, Peter Köhlmann wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How about the update which recently put Windows machines
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> into a perpetual reboot? MS had to retract several updates
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the last months
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because of major problems
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Microsoft knows they have trouble with updates. That's why
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they have "Restore Points." Unfortunately these so-called
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "restore points" hardly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> every work. I think one time one actually worked for me. What
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it usually
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> comes down to is, try to fix it with a Windows tool, reboot,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> try again,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reboot, try again, reboot ... reboot, reboot again ...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reinstall from scratch.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Uh... yes the restore point really works.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I had to use it to get rid of IE 11.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Worked perfectly.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Also used restore point after trying out VS2013.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Worked perfectly.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Updated OpenSuse 13.2 a while back and it hosed the system due
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to a bug.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Restore point for that one?  Doesn't have one.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Idiot. Naturally "restore points" exist in linux. But since you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are a demented fool you are unable to find it when it isn't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> called "restore point"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How come that you are so incredible incompetent?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Says the guy that has yet to prove anything.  Guffaw!!!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> More like a lie from you.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> More typical Peter nonsense. He claims that restore points exist
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but are called something else but strangely cannot name it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A quick look at the OpenSuse forums show he is once again talking
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> complete nonsense.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://forums.opensuse.org/showthread.php/486108-Restore-points->
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rescue-Recovery-Repair-etc
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Quote "In general using openSUSE and EXT4 partitions, your only
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> options are to use a standard backup utility"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So in truth OpenSuse does not have restore points in the same way
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Windows does out of the box.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>      ...because Internet forums are always accurate.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://i.imgur.com/bEZNSXb.jpg
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> He said "out of the box." Whether you tap dance or not, the
>>>>>>>>>>>> standard Linux installation doesn't offer LVM snapshots.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The "standard linux installation" will not offer LVM.
>>>>>>>>>>> That is a user choice.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> In short: You are trying to muddy the waters again by changing the
>>>>>>>>>>> topic / goalposts to "LVM snapshots"
>>>>>>>>>>> The topic is "snapshots". And they are provided out of the box
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> And where does the installation program offer this snapshot??
>>>>>>>>>> It doesn't, so stop your lying.
>>>>>>>>>> Typical Koldturd.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> And you actually claim to have used Suse linux? Really? Why are yu
>>>>>>>>> unable to read what "Yast" writes? Are you really *that* stuupid? I
>>>>>>>>> thought that you are stupid like dirt. But that was too high praise
>>>>>>>>> for you
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The only one stupid here is you, you liar.
>>>>>>>> You provide no steps or proofs, so ergo you must be a liar.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Eh?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Guffaw!!!!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ye gods! It is even worse.
>>>>>>> You claim to have run Suse linux. *if* that were true, you could easily
>>>>>>> see if I tell the truth or not. Instead you want "steps". Which you
>>>>>>> could do yourself if you weren't so incredibly stupid. And if I provided
>>>>>>> the howto step by step, you would still be way too stupid to follow any
>>>>>>> of those.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's typical of a Windows user "Hold my hand, I can't find how to do it
>>>>>> by myself.."
>>>>>
>>>>> Correct analogy.
>>>
>>> I've corrected DumbRabbit's quote.
>>>
>>>>> All we were asking for is that thing that is as abhorrent to you
>>>>> Linux loonies as soap and water - facts and proof.
>>>
>>> Translation: We can google for GNU/LInux faults etc, but cannot find
>>> anything about BtrFS & how it works.
>>> These dimwit's couldn't find their way out of a paper bag! LOL
>>>
>>> FFS, I found a list of BtrFS features (which *includes* snapshots) without
>>> any bother. Why can't they?
>>> J.H.C. these wintrolls are *thicker* than mud.
>>>
>>>> Even when told how it is called, where to find it you still are unable to
>>>> check for yourself that your claims are pure, unadultered bullshit?
>>>
>>> And still the DumbRabbit troll replies to me, even though I've had the
>>> moron binned for ages. Shows you how stupid *he* is.
>>>
>>
>> Yet somehow you are seeing my responses and caring enough to comment on
>> them ;-)
>>
>>
>> So as I know you will read this, lets just refresh you faulty memory:
>>
>> Peter claimed that restore points existed in LINUX.
>>
>> He couldn't or wouldn't say how or where, he preferred to just call
>> everyone an idiot instead of just simply stating the fact of the matter.
>>
>> Later he came back to say that this feature existed in ONE distro
>> (OpenSuse) by virtue of the fact that it now used btrfs.  Up until
>> November 2014 OpenSuse used the same file system that pretty much every
>> other distro uses which does not have snapshot features that btrfs.
>>
>> I've already said I wasn't aware of this new development in a distro I
>> don't use but Peter says he uses on a daily basis, so why couldn't he
>> just mention this feature in his favourite OS instead of being an arse?
>> One has to conclude that either he enjoys being a loud mouth or he
>> wasn't aware of the function himself until he Googled it.
>>
>> So far only ONE distro appears to have out of the box Restore Points
>> which Windows has had for 15 years.
>>
>> No other distro has btrfs as default so to claim that Linux in the
>> context where we are comparing it to Windows Desktop has Restore Points
>> is patently wrong.
>>
>> Peter further compounded the situation by claiming that btrfs was
>> standard on the big/major Linux server operating systems. So far he has
>> yet to provide one example to back this claim.
>>
>>
>> Lastly, there are issues with this system that cause it to eat up disk
>> space, something I've never seen Windows Restore Points do.
>>
>> http://www.nrtm.org/index.php/2012/03/13/the-joys-of-btrfs-and-opensuse-or-no-space-left-on-device/comment-page-1/
>>
>> Yup I know it's dated 2012, just read the comments. It's a problem that
>> was there in 2012 and it's still catching people out in 2015.
>
> Windows restore points work rather well in my opinion. They are not
> infallible though and I have had situations where I was unable to
> restore to a selected restore point. I simply chose a different one
> and it worked fine.

That tends to be most people's experience.

>
> I have no idea how this works under Opensuse but if it's like the
> rest of Opensuse I wouldn't trust it as far as I can toss the DVD.
> Just navigating through that travesty yast is painful enough. I
> wouldn't wish Opensuse on my worst enemy. Novell totally fucked it up
> and it's been going downhill ever since.
>

Windows has a simple point and click interface, just choose the date you 
want to go back to. Even if your system will only get as far as the 
recovery console you can still choose a restore point.

Here's the method with Snapper
http://snapper.io/tutorial.html

To be fair, there is a GUI for it though.

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#288942

FromSlimer <slvrslmr@lv.c>
Date2015-04-10 11:13 -0400
Message-ID<mg8p9q$51e$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#288866
On 2015-04-10 5:10 AM, Desk Rabbit wrote:
> On 09/04/2015 17:03, Tomas wrote:
>> On Thu, 09 Apr 2015 16:57:13 +0100, Desk Rabbit wrote:
>>
>>> On 09/04/2015 12:37, William Poaster wrote:
>>>> It was reported that Peter Köhlmann posted:
>>>>
>>>>> Desk Rabbit wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 09/04/2015 00:01, William Poaster wrote:
>>>>>>> It was reported that Peter Köhlmann posted:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> GreyCloud wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Peter Köhlmann wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> GreyCloud wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Peter Köhlmann wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Slimer wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2015-04-07 4:12 PM, vallor wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 04/07/2015 04:35 AM, Desk Rabbit wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 03/04/2015 01:46, GreyCloud wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peter Köhlmann wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> GreyCloud wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ronb wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 02 Apr 2015 00:26:59 +0200, Peter Köhlmann
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How about the update which recently put Windows
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> machines
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> into a perpetual reboot? MS had to retract several
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> updates
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the last months
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because of major problems
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Microsoft knows they have trouble with updates.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's why
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they have "Restore Points." Unfortunately these
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so-called
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "restore points" hardly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> every work. I think one time one actually worked for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> me. What
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it usually
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> comes down to is, try to fix it with a Windows tool,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reboot,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> try again,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reboot, try again, reboot ... reboot, reboot again ...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reinstall from scratch.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Uh... yes the restore point really works.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I had to use it to get rid of IE 11.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Worked perfectly.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Also used restore point after trying out VS2013.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Worked perfectly.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Updated OpenSuse 13.2 a while back and it hosed the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> system due
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to a bug.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Restore point for that one?  Doesn't have one.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Idiot. Naturally "restore points" exist in linux. But
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> since you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are a demented fool you are unable to find it when it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> isn't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> called "restore point"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How come that you are so incredible incompetent?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Says the guy that has yet to prove anything.  Guffaw!!!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> More like a lie from you.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> More typical Peter nonsense. He claims that restore
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> points exist
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but are called something else but strangely cannot name it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A quick look at the OpenSuse forums show he is once again
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> talking
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> complete nonsense.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://forums.opensuse.org/showthread.php/486108-Restore-points->
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rescue-Recovery-Repair-etc
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Quote "In general using openSUSE and EXT4 partitions,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your only
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> options are to use a standard backup utility"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So in truth OpenSuse does not have restore points in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> same way
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Windows does out of the box.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      ...because Internet forums are always accurate.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://i.imgur.com/bEZNSXb.jpg
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> He said "out of the box." Whether you tap dance or not, the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> standard Linux installation doesn't offer LVM snapshots.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The "standard linux installation" will not offer LVM.
>>>>>>>>>>>> That is a user choice.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> In short: You are trying to muddy the waters again by
>>>>>>>>>>>> changing the
>>>>>>>>>>>> topic / goalposts to "LVM snapshots"
>>>>>>>>>>>> The topic is "snapshots". And they are provided out of the box
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> And where does the installation program offer this snapshot??
>>>>>>>>>>> It doesn't, so stop your lying.
>>>>>>>>>>> Typical Koldturd.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> And you actually claim to have used Suse linux? Really? Why
>>>>>>>>>> are yu
>>>>>>>>>> unable to read what "Yast" writes? Are you really *that*
>>>>>>>>>> stuupid? I
>>>>>>>>>> thought that you are stupid like dirt. But that was too high
>>>>>>>>>> praise
>>>>>>>>>> for you
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The only one stupid here is you, you liar.
>>>>>>>>> You provide no steps or proofs, so ergo you must be a liar.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Eh?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Guffaw!!!!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ye gods! It is even worse.
>>>>>>>> You claim to have run Suse linux. *if* that were true, you could
>>>>>>>> easily
>>>>>>>> see if I tell the truth or not. Instead you want "steps". Which you
>>>>>>>> could do yourself if you weren't so incredibly stupid. And if I
>>>>>>>> provided
>>>>>>>> the howto step by step, you would still be way too stupid to
>>>>>>>> follow any
>>>>>>>> of those.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's typical of a Windows user "Hold my hand, I can't find how to
>>>>>>> do it
>>>>>>> by myself.."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Correct analogy.
>>>>
>>>> I've corrected DumbRabbit's quote.
>>>>
>>>>>> All we were asking for is that thing that is as abhorrent to you
>>>>>> Linux loonies as soap and water - facts and proof.
>>>>
>>>> Translation: We can google for GNU/LInux faults etc, but cannot find
>>>> anything about BtrFS & how it works.
>>>> These dimwit's couldn't find their way out of a paper bag! LOL
>>>>
>>>> FFS, I found a list of BtrFS features (which *includes* snapshots)
>>>> without
>>>> any bother. Why can't they?
>>>> J.H.C. these wintrolls are *thicker* than mud.
>>>>
>>>>> Even when told how it is called, where to find it you still are
>>>>> unable to
>>>>> check for yourself that your claims are pure, unadultered bullshit?
>>>>
>>>> And still the DumbRabbit troll replies to me, even though I've had the
>>>> moron binned for ages. Shows you how stupid *he* is.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Yet somehow you are seeing my responses and caring enough to comment on
>>> them ;-)
>>>
>>>
>>> So as I know you will read this, lets just refresh you faulty memory:
>>>
>>> Peter claimed that restore points existed in LINUX.
>>>
>>> He couldn't or wouldn't say how or where, he preferred to just call
>>> everyone an idiot instead of just simply stating the fact of the matter.
>>>
>>> Later he came back to say that this feature existed in ONE distro
>>> (OpenSuse) by virtue of the fact that it now used btrfs.  Up until
>>> November 2014 OpenSuse used the same file system that pretty much every
>>> other distro uses which does not have snapshot features that btrfs.
>>>
>>> I've already said I wasn't aware of this new development in a distro I
>>> don't use but Peter says he uses on a daily basis, so why couldn't he
>>> just mention this feature in his favourite OS instead of being an arse?
>>> One has to conclude that either he enjoys being a loud mouth or he
>>> wasn't aware of the function himself until he Googled it.
>>>
>>> So far only ONE distro appears to have out of the box Restore Points
>>> which Windows has had for 15 years.
>>>
>>> No other distro has btrfs as default so to claim that Linux in the
>>> context where we are comparing it to Windows Desktop has Restore Points
>>> is patently wrong.
>>>
>>> Peter further compounded the situation by claiming that btrfs was
>>> standard on the big/major Linux server operating systems. So far he has
>>> yet to provide one example to back this claim.
>>>
>>>
>>> Lastly, there are issues with this system that cause it to eat up disk
>>> space, something I've never seen Windows Restore Points do.
>>>
>>> http://www.nrtm.org/index.php/2012/03/13/the-joys-of-btrfs-and-opensuse-or-no-space-left-on-device/comment-page-1/
>>>
>>>
>>> Yup I know it's dated 2012, just read the comments. It's a problem that
>>> was there in 2012 and it's still catching people out in 2015.
>>
>> Windows restore points work rather well in my opinion. They are not
>> infallible though and I have had situations where I was unable to
>> restore to a selected restore point. I simply chose a different one
>> and it worked fine.
>
> That tends to be most people's experience.
>
>>
>> I have no idea how this works under Opensuse but if it's like the
>> rest of Opensuse I wouldn't trust it as far as I can toss the DVD.
>> Just navigating through that travesty yast is painful enough. I
>> wouldn't wish Opensuse on my worst enemy. Novell totally fucked it up
>> and it's been going downhill ever since.
>>
>
> Windows has a simple point and click interface, just choose the date you
> want to go back to. Even if your system will only get as far as the
> recovery console you can still choose a restore point.
>
> Here's the method with Snapper
> http://snapper.io/tutorial.html
>
> To be fair, there is a GUI for it though.

Looks like a total mess to me. I'm sure it's easy to use after you've 
done it a few times but in general, it looks like something which would 
do more to scare people back to Windows than give them any kind of 
confidence about using Linux.

-- 
Slimer
OpenMedia, GreenPeace Supporter & SPCA Paw Partner
Encrypt.

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#288732

FromSlimer <slvrslmr@lv.c>
Date2015-04-09 14:18 -0400
Message-ID<mg6fnu$ki6$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#288690
On 2015-04-09 11:57 AM, Desk Rabbit wrote:
> On 09/04/2015 12:37, William Poaster wrote:
>> It was reported that Peter Köhlmann posted:
>>
>>> Desk Rabbit wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 09/04/2015 00:01, William Poaster wrote:
>>>>> It was reported that Peter Köhlmann posted:
>>>>>
>>>>>> GreyCloud wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Peter Köhlmann wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> GreyCloud wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Peter Köhlmann wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Slimer wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 2015-04-07 4:12 PM, vallor wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 04/07/2015 04:35 AM, Desk Rabbit wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 03/04/2015 01:46, GreyCloud wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peter Köhlmann wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> GreyCloud wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ronb wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 02 Apr 2015 00:26:59 +0200, Peter Köhlmann wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How about the update which recently put Windows machines
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> into a perpetual reboot? MS had to retract several
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> updates
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the last months
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because of major problems
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Microsoft knows they have trouble with updates. That's why
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they have "Restore Points." Unfortunately these so-called
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "restore points" hardly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> every work. I think one time one actually worked for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> me. What
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it usually
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> comes down to is, try to fix it with a Windows tool,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reboot,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> try again,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reboot, try again, reboot ... reboot, reboot again ...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reinstall from scratch.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Uh... yes the restore point really works.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I had to use it to get rid of IE 11.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Worked perfectly.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Also used restore point after trying out VS2013.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Worked perfectly.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Updated OpenSuse 13.2 a while back and it hosed the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> system due
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to a bug.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Restore point for that one?  Doesn't have one.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Idiot. Naturally "restore points" exist in linux. But
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> since you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are a demented fool you are unable to find it when it isn't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> called "restore point"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How come that you are so incredible incompetent?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Says the guy that has yet to prove anything.  Guffaw!!!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> More like a lie from you.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> More typical Peter nonsense. He claims that restore points
>>>>>>>>>>>>> exist
>>>>>>>>>>>>> but are called something else but strangely cannot name it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> A quick look at the OpenSuse forums show he is once again
>>>>>>>>>>>>> talking
>>>>>>>>>>>>> complete nonsense.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://forums.opensuse.org/showthread.php/486108-Restore-points->
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rescue-Recovery-Repair-etc
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Quote "In general using openSUSE and EXT4 partitions, your
>>>>>>>>>>>>> only
>>>>>>>>>>>>> options are to use a standard backup utility"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> So in truth OpenSuse does not have restore points in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> same way
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Windows does out of the box.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>     ...because Internet forums are always accurate.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://i.imgur.com/bEZNSXb.jpg
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> He said "out of the box." Whether you tap dance or not, the
>>>>>>>>>>> standard Linux installation doesn't offer LVM snapshots.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The "standard linux installation" will not offer LVM.
>>>>>>>>>> That is a user choice.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> In short: You are trying to muddy the waters again by changing
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> topic / goalposts to "LVM snapshots"
>>>>>>>>>> The topic is "snapshots". And they are provided out of the box
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> And where does the installation program offer this snapshot??
>>>>>>>>> It doesn't, so stop your lying.
>>>>>>>>> Typical Koldturd.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And you actually claim to have used Suse linux? Really? Why are yu
>>>>>>>> unable to read what "Yast" writes? Are you really *that* stuupid? I
>>>>>>>> thought that you are stupid like dirt. But that was too high praise
>>>>>>>> for you
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The only one stupid here is you, you liar.
>>>>>>> You provide no steps or proofs, so ergo you must be a liar.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Eh?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Guffaw!!!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ye gods! It is even worse.
>>>>>> You claim to have run Suse linux. *if* that were true, you could
>>>>>> easily
>>>>>> see if I tell the truth or not. Instead you want "steps". Which you
>>>>>> could do yourself if you weren't so incredibly stupid. And if I
>>>>>> provided
>>>>>> the howto step by step, you would still be way too stupid to
>>>>>> follow any
>>>>>> of those.
>>>>>
>>>>> It's typical of a Windows user "Hold my hand, I can't find how to
>>>>> do it
>>>>> by myself.."
>>>>
>>>> Correct analogy.
>>
>> I've corrected DumbRabbit's quote.
>>
>>>> All we were asking for is that thing that is as abhorrent to you
>>>> Linux loonies as soap and water - facts and proof.
>>
>> Translation: We can google for GNU/LInux faults etc, but cannot find
>> anything about BtrFS & how it works.
>> These dimwit's couldn't find their way out of a paper bag! LOL
>>
>> FFS, I found a list of BtrFS features (which *includes* snapshots)
>> without
>> any bother. Why can't they?
>> J.H.C. these wintrolls are *thicker* than mud.
>>
>>> Even when told how it is called, where to find it you still are
>>> unable to
>>> check for yourself that your claims are pure, unadultered bullshit?
>>
>> And still the DumbRabbit troll replies to me, even though I've had the
>> moron binned for ages. Shows you how stupid *he* is.
>>
>
> Yet somehow you are seeing my responses and caring enough to comment on
> them ;-)

Humpty Dumpty Poaster thinks himself so important that he believes we 
all take note of who he binned and who he didn't. All of us respond 
because we were addressed like normal human beings. That loser should 
just fall off of the wall and break already.

> So as I know you will read this, lets just refresh you faulty memory:
>
> Peter claimed that restore points existed in LINUX.
>
> He couldn't or wouldn't say how or where, he preferred to just call
> everyone an idiot instead of just simply stating the fact of the matter.
>
> Later he came back to say that this feature existed in ONE distro
> (OpenSuse) by virtue of the fact that it now used btrfs.  Up until
> November 2014 OpenSuse used the same file system that pretty much every
> other distro uses which does not have snapshot features that btrfs.
>
> I've already said I wasn't aware of this new development in a distro I
> don't use but Peter says he uses on a daily basis, so why couldn't he
> just mention this feature in his favourite OS instead of being an arse?
> One has to conclude that either he enjoys being a loud mouth or he
> wasn't aware of the function himself until he Googled it.
>
> So far only ONE distro appears to have out of the box Restore Points
> which Windows has had for 15 years.
>
> No other distro has btrfs as default so to claim that Linux in the
> context where we are comparing it to Windows Desktop has Restore Points
> is patently wrong.
>
> Peter further compounded the situation by claiming that btrfs was
> standard on the big/major Linux server operating systems. So far he has
> yet to provide one example to back this claim.
>
>
> Lastly, there are issues with this system that cause it to eat up disk
> space, something I've never seen Windows Restore Points do.
>
> http://www.nrtm.org/index.php/2012/03/13/the-joys-of-btrfs-and-opensuse-or-no-space-left-on-device/comment-page-1/
>
>
> Yup I know it's dated 2012, just read the comments. It's a problem that
> was there in 2012 and it's still catching people out in 2015.

I'm not the type to encourage this kind of behaviour but let's face it, 
the only thing Peter Klöwnmann offers this newsgroup is a bunch of empty 
claims and insults when we call him out on his stupidity. I don't see 
the point of communicating with him at all. He might as well have his 
ass filtered.

-- 
Slimer
OpenMedia, GreenPeace Supporter & SPCA Paw Partner
Encrypt.

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#288818

FromGreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com>
Date2015-04-09 20:31 -0600
Message-ID<EbWdnZ2KfZN0qLrInZ2dnUU7-cednZ2d@bresnan.com>
In reply to#288732
Slimer wrote:

> On 2015-04-09 11:57 AM, Desk Rabbit wrote:
>> On 09/04/2015 12:37, William Poaster wrote:
>>> It was reported that Peter Köhlmann posted:
>>>
>>>> Desk Rabbit wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 09/04/2015 00:01, William Poaster wrote:
>>>>>> It was reported that Peter Köhlmann posted:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> GreyCloud wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Peter Köhlmann wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> GreyCloud wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Peter Köhlmann wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Slimer wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2015-04-07 4:12 PM, vallor wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 04/07/2015 04:35 AM, Desk Rabbit wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 03/04/2015 01:46, GreyCloud wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peter Köhlmann wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> GreyCloud wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ronb wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 02 Apr 2015 00:26:59 +0200, Peter Köhlmann wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How about the update which recently put Windows machines
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> into a perpetual reboot? MS had to retract several
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> updates
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the last months
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because of major problems
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Microsoft knows they have trouble with updates. That's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> why they have "Restore Points." Unfortunately these
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so-called "restore points" hardly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> every work. I think one time one actually worked for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> me. What
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it usually
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> comes down to is, try to fix it with a Windows tool,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reboot,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> try again,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reboot, try again, reboot ... reboot, reboot again ...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reinstall from scratch.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Uh... yes the restore point really works.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I had to use it to get rid of IE 11.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Worked perfectly.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Also used restore point after trying out VS2013.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Worked perfectly.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Updated OpenSuse 13.2 a while back and it hosed the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> system due
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to a bug.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Restore point for that one?  Doesn't have one.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Idiot. Naturally "restore points" exist in linux. But
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> since you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are a demented fool you are unable to find it when it isn't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> called "restore point"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How come that you are so incredible incompetent?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Says the guy that has yet to prove anything.  Guffaw!!!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> More like a lie from you.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> More typical Peter nonsense. He claims that restore points
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> exist
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but are called something else but strangely cannot name it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A quick look at the OpenSuse forums show he is once again
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> talking
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> complete nonsense.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://forums.opensuse.org/showthread.php/486108-Restore-
points->
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rescue-Recovery-Repair-etc
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Quote "In general using openSUSE and EXT4 partitions, your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> only
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> options are to use a standard backup utility"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So in truth OpenSuse does not have restore points in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> same way
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Windows does out of the box.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>     ...because Internet forums are always accurate.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://i.imgur.com/bEZNSXb.jpg
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> He said "out of the box." Whether you tap dance or not, the
>>>>>>>>>>>> standard Linux installation doesn't offer LVM snapshots.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The "standard linux installation" will not offer LVM.
>>>>>>>>>>> That is a user choice.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> In short: You are trying to muddy the waters again by changing
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> topic / goalposts to "LVM snapshots"
>>>>>>>>>>> The topic is "snapshots". And they are provided out of the box
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> And where does the installation program offer this snapshot??
>>>>>>>>>> It doesn't, so stop your lying.
>>>>>>>>>> Typical Koldturd.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> And you actually claim to have used Suse linux? Really? Why are yu
>>>>>>>>> unable to read what "Yast" writes? Are you really *that* stuupid?
>>>>>>>>> I thought that you are stupid like dirt. But that was too high
>>>>>>>>> praise for you
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The only one stupid here is you, you liar.
>>>>>>>> You provide no steps or proofs, so ergo you must be a liar.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Eh?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Guffaw!!!!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ye gods! It is even worse.
>>>>>>> You claim to have run Suse linux. *if* that were true, you could
>>>>>>> easily
>>>>>>> see if I tell the truth or not. Instead you want "steps". Which you
>>>>>>> could do yourself if you weren't so incredibly stupid. And if I
>>>>>>> provided
>>>>>>> the howto step by step, you would still be way too stupid to
>>>>>>> follow any
>>>>>>> of those.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's typical of a Windows user "Hold my hand, I can't find how to
>>>>>> do it
>>>>>> by myself.."
>>>>>
>>>>> Correct analogy.
>>>
>>> I've corrected DumbRabbit's quote.
>>>
>>>>> All we were asking for is that thing that is as abhorrent to you
>>>>> Linux loonies as soap and water - facts and proof.
>>>
>>> Translation: We can google for GNU/LInux faults etc, but cannot find
>>> anything about BtrFS & how it works.
>>> These dimwit's couldn't find their way out of a paper bag! LOL
>>>
>>> FFS, I found a list of BtrFS features (which *includes* snapshots)
>>> without
>>> any bother. Why can't they?
>>> J.H.C. these wintrolls are *thicker* than mud.
>>>
>>>> Even when told how it is called, where to find it you still are
>>>> unable to
>>>> check for yourself that your claims are pure, unadultered bullshit?
>>>
>>> And still the DumbRabbit troll replies to me, even though I've had the
>>> moron binned for ages. Shows you how stupid *he* is.
>>>
>>
>> Yet somehow you are seeing my responses and caring enough to comment on
>> them ;-)
> 
> Humpty Dumpty Poaster thinks himself so important that he believes we
> all take note of who he binned and who he didn't. All of us respond
> because we were addressed like normal human beings. That loser should
> just fall off of the wall and break already.
> 
>> So as I know you will read this, lets just refresh you faulty memory:
>>
>> Peter claimed that restore points existed in LINUX.
>>
>> He couldn't or wouldn't say how or where, he preferred to just call
>> everyone an idiot instead of just simply stating the fact of the matter.
>>
>> Later he came back to say that this feature existed in ONE distro
>> (OpenSuse) by virtue of the fact that it now used btrfs.  Up until
>> November 2014 OpenSuse used the same file system that pretty much every
>> other distro uses which does not have snapshot features that btrfs.
>>
>> I've already said I wasn't aware of this new development in a distro I
>> don't use but Peter says he uses on a daily basis, so why couldn't he
>> just mention this feature in his favourite OS instead of being an arse?
>> One has to conclude that either he enjoys being a loud mouth or he
>> wasn't aware of the function himself until he Googled it.
>>
>> So far only ONE distro appears to have out of the box Restore Points
>> which Windows has had for 15 years.
>>
>> No other distro has btrfs as default so to claim that Linux in the
>> context where we are comparing it to Windows Desktop has Restore Points
>> is patently wrong.
>>
>> Peter further compounded the situation by claiming that btrfs was
>> standard on the big/major Linux server operating systems. So far he has
>> yet to provide one example to back this claim.
>>
>>
>> Lastly, there are issues with this system that cause it to eat up disk
>> space, something I've never seen Windows Restore Points do.
>>
>> http://www.nrtm.org/index.php/2012/03/13/the-joys-of-btrfs-and-opensuse-
or-no-space-left-on-device/comment-page-1/
>>
>>
>> Yup I know it's dated 2012, just read the comments. It's a problem that
>> was there in 2012 and it's still catching people out in 2015.
> 
> I'm not the type to encourage this kind of behaviour but let's face it,
> the only thing Peter Klöwnmann offers this newsgroup is a bunch of empty
> claims and insults when we call him out on his stupidity. I don't see
> the point of communicating with him at all. He might as well have his
> ass filtered.
> 
Maybe he has aspergers syndrome.  These types won't be caught out in public, 
which qualifies him for his night position as janitor.

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#288906

FromSlimer <slvrslmr@lv.c>
Date2015-04-10 09:10 -0400
Message-ID<mg8i1l$7g8$3@dont-email.me>
In reply to#288818
On 2015-04-09 10:31 PM, GreyCloud wrote:
> Slimer wrote:
>
>> On 2015-04-09 11:57 AM, Desk Rabbit wrote:
>>> On 09/04/2015 12:37, William Poaster wrote:
>>>> It was reported that Peter Köhlmann posted:
>>>>
>>>>> Desk Rabbit wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 09/04/2015 00:01, William Poaster wrote:
>>>>>>> It was reported that Peter Köhlmann posted:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> GreyCloud wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Peter Köhlmann wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> GreyCloud wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Peter Köhlmann wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Slimer wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2015-04-07 4:12 PM, vallor wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 04/07/2015 04:35 AM, Desk Rabbit wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 03/04/2015 01:46, GreyCloud wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peter Köhlmann wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> GreyCloud wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ronb wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 02 Apr 2015 00:26:59 +0200, Peter Köhlmann wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How about the update which recently put Windows machines
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> into a perpetual reboot? MS had to retract several
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> updates
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the last months
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because of major problems
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Microsoft knows they have trouble with updates. That's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> why they have "Restore Points." Unfortunately these
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so-called "restore points" hardly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> every work. I think one time one actually worked for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> me. What
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it usually
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> comes down to is, try to fix it with a Windows tool,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reboot,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> try again,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reboot, try again, reboot ... reboot, reboot again ...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reinstall from scratch.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Uh... yes the restore point really works.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I had to use it to get rid of IE 11.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Worked perfectly.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Also used restore point after trying out VS2013.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Worked perfectly.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Updated OpenSuse 13.2 a while back and it hosed the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> system due
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to a bug.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Restore point for that one?  Doesn't have one.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Idiot. Naturally "restore points" exist in linux. But
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> since you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are a demented fool you are unable to find it when it isn't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> called "restore point"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How come that you are so incredible incompetent?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Says the guy that has yet to prove anything.  Guffaw!!!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> More like a lie from you.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> More typical Peter nonsense. He claims that restore points
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> exist
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but are called something else but strangely cannot name it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A quick look at the OpenSuse forums show he is once again
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> talking
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> complete nonsense.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://forums.opensuse.org/showthread.php/486108-Restore-
> points->
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rescue-Recovery-Repair-etc
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Quote "In general using openSUSE and EXT4 partitions, your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> only
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> options are to use a standard backup utility"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So in truth OpenSuse does not have restore points in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> same way
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Windows does out of the box.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      ...because Internet forums are always accurate.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://i.imgur.com/bEZNSXb.jpg
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> He said "out of the box." Whether you tap dance or not, the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> standard Linux installation doesn't offer LVM snapshots.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The "standard linux installation" will not offer LVM.
>>>>>>>>>>>> That is a user choice.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> In short: You are trying to muddy the waters again by changing
>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>> topic / goalposts to "LVM snapshots"
>>>>>>>>>>>> The topic is "snapshots". And they are provided out of the box
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> And where does the installation program offer this snapshot??
>>>>>>>>>>> It doesn't, so stop your lying.
>>>>>>>>>>> Typical Koldturd.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> And you actually claim to have used Suse linux? Really? Why are yu
>>>>>>>>>> unable to read what "Yast" writes? Are you really *that* stuupid?
>>>>>>>>>> I thought that you are stupid like dirt. But that was too high
>>>>>>>>>> praise for you
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The only one stupid here is you, you liar.
>>>>>>>>> You provide no steps or proofs, so ergo you must be a liar.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Eh?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Guffaw!!!!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ye gods! It is even worse.
>>>>>>>> You claim to have run Suse linux. *if* that were true, you could
>>>>>>>> easily
>>>>>>>> see if I tell the truth or not. Instead you want "steps". Which you
>>>>>>>> could do yourself if you weren't so incredibly stupid. And if I
>>>>>>>> provided
>>>>>>>> the howto step by step, you would still be way too stupid to
>>>>>>>> follow any
>>>>>>>> of those.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's typical of a Windows user "Hold my hand, I can't find how to
>>>>>>> do it
>>>>>>> by myself.."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Correct analogy.
>>>>
>>>> I've corrected DumbRabbit's quote.
>>>>
>>>>>> All we were asking for is that thing that is as abhorrent to you
>>>>>> Linux loonies as soap and water - facts and proof.
>>>>
>>>> Translation: We can google for GNU/LInux faults etc, but cannot find
>>>> anything about BtrFS & how it works.
>>>> These dimwit's couldn't find their way out of a paper bag! LOL
>>>>
>>>> FFS, I found a list of BtrFS features (which *includes* snapshots)
>>>> without
>>>> any bother. Why can't they?
>>>> J.H.C. these wintrolls are *thicker* than mud.
>>>>
>>>>> Even when told how it is called, where to find it you still are
>>>>> unable to
>>>>> check for yourself that your claims are pure, unadultered bullshit?
>>>>
>>>> And still the DumbRabbit troll replies to me, even though I've had the
>>>> moron binned for ages. Shows you how stupid *he* is.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Yet somehow you are seeing my responses and caring enough to comment on
>>> them ;-)
>>
>> Humpty Dumpty Poaster thinks himself so important that he believes we
>> all take note of who he binned and who he didn't. All of us respond
>> because we were addressed like normal human beings. That loser should
>> just fall off of the wall and break already.
>>
>>> So as I know you will read this, lets just refresh you faulty memory:
>>>
>>> Peter claimed that restore points existed in LINUX.
>>>
>>> He couldn't or wouldn't say how or where, he preferred to just call
>>> everyone an idiot instead of just simply stating the fact of the matter.
>>>
>>> Later he came back to say that this feature existed in ONE distro
>>> (OpenSuse) by virtue of the fact that it now used btrfs.  Up until
>>> November 2014 OpenSuse used the same file system that pretty much every
>>> other distro uses which does not have snapshot features that btrfs.
>>>
>>> I've already said I wasn't aware of this new development in a distro I
>>> don't use but Peter says he uses on a daily basis, so why couldn't he
>>> just mention this feature in his favourite OS instead of being an arse?
>>> One has to conclude that either he enjoys being a loud mouth or he
>>> wasn't aware of the function himself until he Googled it.
>>>
>>> So far only ONE distro appears to have out of the box Restore Points
>>> which Windows has had for 15 years.
>>>
>>> No other distro has btrfs as default so to claim that Linux in the
>>> context where we are comparing it to Windows Desktop has Restore Points
>>> is patently wrong.
>>>
>>> Peter further compounded the situation by claiming that btrfs was
>>> standard on the big/major Linux server operating systems. So far he has
>>> yet to provide one example to back this claim.
>>>
>>>
>>> Lastly, there are issues with this system that cause it to eat up disk
>>> space, something I've never seen Windows Restore Points do.
>>>
>>> http://www.nrtm.org/index.php/2012/03/13/the-joys-of-btrfs-and-opensuse-
> or-no-space-left-on-device/comment-page-1/
>>>
>>>
>>> Yup I know it's dated 2012, just read the comments. It's a problem that
>>> was there in 2012 and it's still catching people out in 2015.
>>
>> I'm not the type to encourage this kind of behaviour but let's face it,
>> the only thing Peter Klöwnmann offers this newsgroup is a bunch of empty
>> claims and insults when we call him out on his stupidity. I don't see
>> the point of communicating with him at all. He might as well have his
>> ass filtered.
>>
> Maybe he has aspergers syndrome.  These types won't be caught out in public,
> which qualifies him for his night position as janitor.

Nah, Klöwnmann doesn't work as a janitor. He doesn't have the 
credentials. I really think that he's a clown for a travelling circus. 
Either that or that idiot who guesses your age.


-- 
Slimer
OpenMedia, GreenPeace Supporter & SPCA Paw Partner
Encrypt.

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