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  OT: Sandy Hook "Truther" - what is wrong with people? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-05-12 21:53 -0700
    Re: OT: Sandy Hook "Truther" - what is wrong with people? owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2014-05-13 12:47 +0000
      Re: OT: Sandy Hook "Truther" - what is wrong with people? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-05-13 08:11 -0700
        Re: OT: Sandy Hook "Truther" - what is wrong with people? Steve Carroll <fretwizzen@gmail.com> - 2014-05-13 09:18 -0700
        Re: OT: Sandy Hook "Truther" - what is wrong with people? owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2014-05-13 18:36 +0000
          Re: OT: Sandy Hook "Truther" - what is wrong with people? Silver Slimer <ndr@slvrlps.c> - 2014-05-13 14:41 -0400
            Re: OT: Sandy Hook "Truther" - what is wrong with people? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-05-13 12:01 -0700
            Re: OT: Sandy Hook "Truther" - what is wrong with people? DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2014-05-13 17:30 -0400
              Re: OT: Sandy Hook "Truther" - what is wrong with people? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-05-13 15:00 -0700
              Re: OT: Sandy Hook "Truther" - what is wrong with people? Silver Slimer <ndr@slvrlps.c> - 2014-05-13 18:23 -0400
                Re: OT: Sandy Hook "Truther" - what is wrong with people? Hadron<hadronquark@gmail.com> - 2014-05-14 01:30 +0200
                  Re: OT: Sandy Hook "Truther" - what is wrong with people? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-05-13 16:39 -0700
                  Re: OT: Sandy Hook "Truther" - what is wrong with people? Silver Slimer <ndr@slvrlps.c> - 2014-05-13 20:26 -0400
                    Re: OT: Sandy Hook "Truther" - what is wrong with people? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-05-13 17:43 -0700
                    Re: OT: Sandy Hook "Truther" - what is wrong with people? JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> - 2014-05-14 15:08 -0500
                      Re: OT: Sandy Hook "Truther" - what is wrong with people? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-05-14 13:44 -0700
                      Re: OT: Sandy Hook "Truther" - what is wrong with people? Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2014-05-14 20:44 -0400
                        Re: OT: Sandy Hook "Truther" - what is wrong with people? DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2014-05-14 23:14 -0400
                Re: OT: Sandy Hook "Truther" - what is wrong with people? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-05-13 16:31 -0700
                Re: OT: Sandy Hook "Truther" - what is wrong with people? DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2014-05-14 09:07 -0400
                  Re: OT: Sandy Hook "Truther" - what is wrong with people? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-05-14 08:37 -0700
              Re: OT: Sandy Hook "Truther" - what is wrong with people? owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2014-05-13 23:38 +0000
                Re: OT: Sandy Hook "Truther" - what is wrong with people? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-05-13 16:55 -0700
                  Re: OT: Sandy Hook "Truther" - what is wrong with people? owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2014-05-14 00:30 +0000
                    Re: OT: Sandy Hook "Truther" - what is wrong with people? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-05-13 17:46 -0700
                Re: OT: Sandy Hook "Truther" - what is wrong with people? DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2014-05-14 09:09 -0400
                  Re: OT: Sandy Hook "Truther" - what is wrong with people? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-05-14 08:36 -0700
                    Re: OT: Sandy Hook "Truther" - what is wrong with people? Hadron<hadronquark@gmail.com> - 2014-05-14 17:41 +0200
                      Re: OT: Sandy Hook "Truther" - what is wrong with people? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-05-14 08:49 -0700
                        Re: OT: Sandy Hook "Truther" - what is wrong with people? Steve Carroll <fretwizzen@gmail.com> - 2014-05-14 14:32 -0700
                  Re: OT: Sandy Hook "Truther" - what is wrong with people? owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2014-05-14 23:00 +0000
                    Re: OT: Sandy Hook "Truther" - what is wrong with people? Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2014-05-15 01:10 +0200
                      Re: OT: Sandy Hook "Truther" - what is wrong with people? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-05-14 16:51 -0700
                    Re: OT: Sandy Hook "Truther" - what is wrong with people? DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2014-05-14 19:11 -0400
                      Re: OT: Sandy Hook "Truther" - what is wrong with people? owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2014-05-14 23:24 +0000
                        Re: OT: Sandy Hook "Truther" - what is wrong with people? DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2014-05-14 19:34 -0400
                          Re: OT: Sandy Hook "Truther" - what is wrong with people? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-05-14 16:54 -0700
                        Re: OT: Sandy Hook "Truther" - what is wrong with people? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-05-14 16:51 -0700
                        Re: OT: Sandy Hook "Truther" - what is wrong with people? 	flatfish+++ <phlatphish@yahoo.com> - 2014-05-14 20:04 -0400
                          Re: OT: Sandy Hook "Truther" - what is wrong with people? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-05-14 17:15 -0700
                          Re: OT: Sandy Hook "Truther" - what is wrong with people? Silver Slimer <ndr@slvrlps.c> - 2014-05-14 20:30 -0400
                            Re: OT: Sandy Hook "Truther" - what is wrong with people? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-05-14 17:35 -0700
                              Re: OT: Sandy Hook "Truther" - what is wrong with people? owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2014-05-15 01:07 +0000
                                Re: OT: Sandy Hook "Truther" - what is wrong with people? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-05-14 18:16 -0700
                                  Re: OT: Sandy Hook "Truther" - what is wrong with people? owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2014-05-15 01:41 +0000
                                    Re: OT: Sandy Hook "Truther" - what is wrong with people? Silver Slimer <ndr@slvrlps.c> - 2014-05-14 21:48 -0400
                                      Re: OT: Sandy Hook "Truther" - what is wrong with people? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-05-14 18:52 -0700
                                      Re: OT: Sandy Hook "Truther" - what is wrong with people? 	flatfish+++ <phlatphish@yahoo.com> - 2014-05-14 23:09 -0400
                                        Re: OT: Sandy Hook "Truther" - what is wrong with people? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-05-14 20:17 -0700
                                      Re: OT: Sandy Hook "Truther" - what is wrong with people? owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2014-05-15 12:31 +0000
                                        Re: OT: Sandy Hook "Truther" - what is wrong with people? Hadron<hadronquark@gmail.com> - 2014-05-15 14:51 +0200
                                          Re: OT: Sandy Hook "Truther" - what is wrong with people? Silver Slimer <ndr@slvrlps.c> - 2014-05-15 09:15 -0400
                                            Re: OT: Sandy Hook "Truther" - what is wrong with people? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-05-15 16:55 -0700
                                          Re: OT: Sandy Hook "Truther" - what is wrong with people? owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2014-05-15 13:25 +0000
                                            Re: OT: Sandy Hook "Truther" - what is wrong with people? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-05-15 16:55 -0700
                                          Re: OT: Sandy Hook "Truther" - what is wrong with people? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-05-15 16:53 -0700
                                        Re: OT: Sandy Hook "Truther" - what is wrong with people? Silver Slimer <ndr@slvrlps.c> - 2014-05-15 09:13 -0400
                                          Re: OT: Sandy Hook "Truther" - what is wrong with people? owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2014-05-15 13:32 +0000
                                            Re: OT: Sandy Hook "Truther" - what is wrong with people? Silver Slimer <ndr@slvrlps.c> - 2014-05-15 10:46 -0400
                                              Re: OT: Sandy Hook "Truther" - what is wrong with people? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-05-15 08:27 -0700
                                            Re: OT: Sandy Hook "Truther" - what is wrong with people? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-05-15 16:57 -0700
                                          Re: OT: Sandy Hook "Truther" - what is wrong with people? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-05-15 16:55 -0700
                                        Re: OT: Sandy Hook "Truther" - what is wrong with people? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-05-15 17:01 -0700
                                    Re: OT: Sandy Hook "Truther" - what is wrong with people? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-05-14 18:49 -0700
                            Re: OT: Sandy Hook "Truther" - what is wrong with people? 	flatfish+++ <phlatphish@yahoo.com> - 2014-05-14 23:07 -0400
                              Re: OT: Sandy Hook "Truther" - what is wrong with people? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-05-14 20:27 -0700
                              Re: OT: Sandy Hook "Truther" - what is wrong with people? Silver Slimer <ndr@slvrlps.c> - 2014-05-15 08:53 -0400
                                Re: OT: Sandy Hook "Truther" - what is wrong with people? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-05-15 17:14 -0700
                    Re: OT: Sandy Hook "Truther" - what is wrong with people? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-05-14 16:52 -0700
          Re: OT: Sandy Hook "Truther" - what is wrong with people? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-05-13 11:42 -0700
            Re: OT: Sandy Hook "Truther" - what is wrong with people? owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2014-05-13 19:01 +0000
              Re: OT: Sandy Hook "Truther" - what is wrong with people? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-05-13 12:12 -0700
                Re: OT: Sandy Hook "Truther" - what is wrong with people? owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2014-05-13 19:27 +0000
                  Re: OT: Sandy Hook "Truther" - what is wrong with people? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-05-13 12:42 -0700
                    Re: OT: Sandy Hook "Truther" - what is wrong with people? owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2014-05-13 19:48 +0000
                      Re: OT: Sandy Hook "Truther" - what is wrong with people? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-05-13 13:05 -0700
                        Re: OT: Sandy Hook "Truther" - what is wrong with people? owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2014-05-13 20:15 +0000
                          Re: OT: Sandy Hook "Truther" - what is wrong with people? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-05-13 13:28 -0700
                            Re: OT: Sandy Hook "Truther" - what is wrong with people? owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2014-05-13 20:43 +0000
                              Re: OT: Sandy Hook "Truther" - what is wrong with people? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-05-13 13:57 -0700
                                Re: OT: Sandy Hook "Truther" - what is wrong with people? owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2014-05-13 21:09 +0000
                                  Re: OT: Sandy Hook "Truther" - what is wrong with people? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-05-13 14:12 -0700
                                    Re: OT: Sandy Hook "Truther" - what is wrong with people? owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2014-05-13 21:17 +0000
                                      Re: OT: Sandy Hook "Truther" - what is wrong with people? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-05-13 14:22 -0700
                                        Re: OT: Sandy Hook "Truther" - what is wrong with people? owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2014-05-13 23:45 +0000
                                          Re: OT: Sandy Hook "Truther" - what is wrong with people? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-05-13 16:54 -0700
                                            Re: OT: Sandy Hook "Truther" - what is wrong with people? owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2014-05-14 00:03 +0000
                                              Re: OT: Sandy Hook "Truther" - what is wrong with people? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-05-13 17:10 -0700
                                                Re: OT: Sandy Hook "Truther" - what is wrong with people? owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2014-05-14 00:20 +0000
                                                  Re: OT: Sandy Hook "Truther" - what is wrong with people? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-05-13 17:29 -0700
                                          Re: OT: Sandy Hook "Truther" - what is wrong with people? Silver Slimer <ndr@slvrlps.c> - 2014-05-13 20:30 -0400
                                            Re: OT: Sandy Hook "Truther" - what is wrong with people? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-05-13 17:44 -0700
                      Re: OT: Sandy Hook "Truther" - what is wrong with people? Silver Slimer <ndr@slvrlps.c> - 2014-05-13 17:55 -0400
                        Re: OT: Sandy Hook "Truther" - what is wrong with people? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-05-13 15:05 -0700
          Re: OT: Sandy Hook "Truther" - what is wrong with people? Hadron<hadronquark@gmail.com> - 2014-05-13 22:03 +0200
            Re: OT: Sandy Hook "Truther" - what is wrong with people? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-05-13 13:06 -0700
              Re: OT: Sandy Hook "Truther" - what is wrong with people? owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2014-05-13 20:14 +0000
                Re: OT: Sandy Hook "Truther" - what is wrong with people? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-05-13 13:27 -0700
                Re: OT: Sandy Hook "Truther" - what is wrong with people? Silver Slimer <ndr@slvrlps.c> - 2014-05-13 18:01 -0400
                  Re: OT: Sandy Hook "Truther" - what is wrong with people? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-05-13 15:02 -0700
            Re: OT: Sandy Hook "Truther" - what is wrong with people? owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2014-05-13 20:10 +0000
              Re: OT: Sandy Hook "Truther" - what is wrong with people? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-05-13 13:27 -0700
            Re: OT: Sandy Hook "Truther" - what is wrong with people? Silver Slimer <ndr@slvrlps.c> - 2014-05-13 17:59 -0400
              Re: OT: Sandy Hook "Truther" - what is wrong with people? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-05-13 15:03 -0700
      Re: OT: Sandy Hook "Truther" - what is wrong with people? Steve Carroll <fretwizzen@gmail.com> - 2014-05-13 09:17 -0700
    Re: OT: Sandy Hook "Truther" - what is wrong with people? Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2014-05-14 09:18 -0700

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#243917

On 5/15/14, 6:32 AM, in article ghj0a3wr.3p@rooftop.invalid, "owl"
<owl@rooftop.invalid> wrote:

>>> He's too emotional on this subject to have a reasoned debate anyway.
> 
>> I don't think so, he just can't stand the fact that you stray from what
>> the media believes is the moral and proper stance. He has no opinion of
>> his own, he simply repeats whatever he heard on the Daily Show or ABC
>> News. It's too bad the clown can't afford to buy a book or two to
>> educate himself about his beloved government and the Smiling Black Man.
> 
> Maybe, but all of his "arguments" make reference to the "feelings"
> of these non-existent people.

False accusation and you discount people even existing. That is bizarre and
irrational.

> His "proof" that they existed is the existence of the actors who portrayed
> them.  

False claim.

> Even video clips of their previous thespian endeavors is not enough to
> open his eyes. 

False conclusion.

> It's all about emotion and feeling with Snit.

False claim.

> Logic and reason are foreign concepts to him.

False claim.

Wow... you really suck at making reasoned points. But keep in mind what you
are doing: You glom on to people who have found patterns by looking at drips
of evidence hand-picked from oceans of data.

You connect unrelated dots in much the same way people find constellations
in the stars. 



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#243914

On 5/15/14, 6:13 AM, in article ll2ehk$hgt$1@dont-email.me, "Silver Slimer"
<ndr@slvrlps.c> wrote:

> On 14-05-15 08:31 AM, owl wrote:
>> Silver Slimer <ndr@slvrlps.c> wrote:
>>> On 14-05-14 09:41 PM, owl wrote:
>> 
>>>> 
>>>> No, it's not moving goal posts.  Your boring dismissal of all "conspiracy
>>>> theories" as being rooted in some psychobabble nonsense about needing
>>>> to reconcile "random" events, so one's poor little brain can cope with it
>>>> all, sounds just like Matthews' Kennedy-fanboy dismissal of every JFK-
>>>> assassination investigatory effort outside the Warren Commission.
>> 
>>> Snit is such a monstrous moron that it actually pains me to read his
>>> quoted articles as well. The guy is so content with being a zombie who
>>> believes everything the mainstream media tells him that he'd allow me to
>>> piss on his head if Jon Stewart told him that it was good for him.
>>> Seriously though, stop responding to the guy. The incredible stupidity
>>> he demonstrates is demoralizing.
>> 
>> He's too emotional on this subject to have a reasoned debate anyway.
> 
> I don't think so, he just can't stand the fact that you stray from what
> the media believes is the moral and proper stance. He has no opinion of
> his own, he simply repeats whatever he heard on the Daily Show or ABC
> News. It's too bad the clown can't afford to buy a book or two to
> educate himself about his beloved government and the Smiling Black Man.

Notice your false accusations about me not approving of someone because of
some believe the media is moral and proper. This is a total fabrication on
your part. A lie. You also lie and claim I have no opinion of my own, when
it is you who has glommed to the ideas of others as they find patterns by
looking at drips of evidence hand-picked from oceans of data.

You attack and lash out... where I use evidence and logic and data.


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#243923

On 5/15/14, 5:31 AM, in article 9eo.a34p@rooftop.invalid, "owl"
<owl@rooftop.invalid> wrote:

> Silver Slimer <ndr@slvrlps.c> wrote:
>> On 14-05-14 09:41 PM, owl wrote:
> 
>>> 
>>> No, it's not moving goal posts.  Your boring dismissal of all "conspiracy
>>> theories" as being rooted in some psychobabble nonsense about needing
>>> to reconcile "random" events, so one's poor little brain can cope with it
>>> all, sounds just like Matthews' Kennedy-fanboy dismissal of every JFK-
>>> assassination investigatory effort outside the Warren Commission.
> 
>> Snit is such a monstrous moron that it actually pains me to read his
>> quoted articles as well. The guy is so content with being a zombie who
>> believes everything the mainstream media tells him that he'd allow me to
>> piss on his head if Jon Stewart told him that it was good for him.
>> Seriously though, stop responding to the guy. The incredible stupidity
>> he demonstrates is demoralizing.
> 
> He's too emotional on this subject to have a reasoned debate anyway.

False accusation.


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#243770

On 5/14/14, 6:41 PM, in article tyue002q.453p@rooftop.invalid, "owl"
<owl@rooftop.invalid> wrote:

>>>> None of this excuses your sick denial of the deaths of 20 kids and 6 adults
>>>> just so you can feel special and not as afraid of an unpredictable world.
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> Chris Matthews much?
>> 
>> Never watched the show. I have seen an occasional clip but had to look him
>> up to even know what he looks like.
>> 
>> But let's say I watched his every show? So what? Would not change the facts.
>> You are moving goal posts.
> 
> No, it's not moving goal posts.

Sure it is. The goal post before you moved it was on your irrational
conspiracy theory nonsense and the type of sickness it takes in a person to
believe that type of insanity just so they can feel a bit of comfort.

You moved it to a guy with a talk show who, as far as I know, does not even
focus on the topic of your insane conspiracy theory nonsense. At least when
Silver Slimer focuses on a show it is one that *does* speak about such
insane conspiracy theories.

> Your boring dismissal of all "conspiracy theories" as being rooted in some
> psychobabble nonsense about needing to reconcile "random" events, so one's
> poor little brain can cope with it all, sounds just like Matthews'
> Kennedy-fanboy dismissal of every JFK- assassination investigatory effort
> outside the Warren Commission.

My dismissal of your BS conspiracy theories is boring - but there is no
reason to think it is anything other than accurate. No *reason*. Sure, you
*emotionally* do not want it to be true. I do not care. As far as whatever
conspiracy theory you are now talking about with JFK, I do not care. Let's
stick to one of your insane, self-serving views at a time!

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#243779

On Wed, 14 May 2014 20:30:25 -0400, Silver Slimer wrote:

> On 14-05-14 08:04 PM,  flatfish+++ wrote:
> 
>>> It's sad to see an old bastard like you come off as stupid as some
>>> twenty-something mush-head.
>> 
>> Sandy Hook is real. 
>> 9-11 is real.
>> 
>> Neither are false flag operations.
>> 
>> The various governments are evil, we all know that and we all know
>> that they have been involved in covert operations, cover ups and so
>> forth.
>> Sandy Hook nor the 9-11 (except for extreme incompetence) are not 2
>> of them.
>> 
>> If you want to look at conspiracy, look at TWA 800 which I truly
>> believe is a cover up, for various reasons.
>> 
>> Just my 2 cents.
> 
> I never really believed in any conspiracy theories until I went on
> vacation to Cuba in 2011 and spent most of my time there reading
> political books which documented the lies, manipulations and
> fabrications of the American government over the last century. 
Of course there are military operations. It goes all the way back to
WW2 and Truman and his "secret government".

No arguement from me.

However, 9-11 and Sandy Hook don't apply.

No way.
No how.

Want a conspiracy?
TWA 800.......
Huge....
Start looking.
I lived it.
Right up the street from the "ground zero" operations if you will.
It stinks of conspiracy if you ask me.

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#243786

On 5/14/14, 8:07 PM, in article 245daegb58he$.1uetqz77wtypw$.dlg@40tude.net,
"flatfish+++" <phlatphish@yahoo.com> wrote:

>> I never really believed in any conspiracy theories until I went on
>> vacation to Cuba in 2011 and spent most of my time there reading
>> political books which documented the lies, manipulations and
>> fabrications of the American government over the last century.
 
> Of course there are military operations. It goes all the way back to
> WW2 and Truman and his "secret government".
> 
> No arguement from me.
> 
> However, 9-11 and Sandy Hook don't apply.
> 
> No way.
> No how.

Here is the reasoning:

1) The government does things that are scary and wrong.
2) Something scary and wrong happened.
3) I will assume it is the government so I feel better, no
   matter how offensive this is to those who lost loved
   ones. 

He is basically saying his feelings are more important than the families.

> Want a conspiracy?
> TWA 800.......
> Huge....
> Start looking.
> I lived it.
> Right up the street from the "ground zero" operations if you will.
> It stinks of conspiracy if you ask me.

How so? 


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#243828

On 14-05-14 11:07 PM,  flatfish+++ wrote:
> On Wed, 14 May 2014 20:30:25 -0400, Silver Slimer wrote:
> 
>> On 14-05-14 08:04 PM,  flatfish+++ wrote:
>>
>>>> It's sad to see an old bastard like you come off as stupid as some
>>>> twenty-something mush-head.
>>>
>>> Sandy Hook is real. 
>>> 9-11 is real.
>>>
>>> Neither are false flag operations.
>>>
>>> The various governments are evil, we all know that and we all know
>>> that they have been involved in covert operations, cover ups and so
>>> forth.
>>> Sandy Hook nor the 9-11 (except for extreme incompetence) are not 2
>>> of them.
>>>
>>> If you want to look at conspiracy, look at TWA 800 which I truly
>>> believe is a cover up, for various reasons.
>>>
>>> Just my 2 cents.
>>
>> I never really believed in any conspiracy theories until I went on
>> vacation to Cuba in 2011 and spent most of my time there reading
>> political books which documented the lies, manipulations and
>> fabrications of the American government over the last century. 
> Of course there are military operations. It goes all the way back to
> WW2 and Truman and his "secret government".
> 
> No arguement from me.
> 
> However, 9-11 and Sandy Hook don't apply.
> 
> No way.
> No how.
> 
> Want a conspiracy?
> TWA 800.......
> Huge....
> Start looking.
> I lived it.
> Right up the street from the "ground zero" operations if you will.
> It stinks of conspiracy if you ask me.

My default stance on just about all of the news coming in from the
United States government is that it's bullshit until irrefutable
evidence is shown. I believe absolutely nothing about what they say
until scientists demonstrate clear evidence that none of their
statements are lies. They history precedes them and it would be foolish
to immediately accept a word of what they say. I'm going to be looking
up more on TWA 800 during my period break later on.

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#243932

On 5/15/14, 5:53 AM, in article ll2dcs$9a6$1@dont-email.me, "Silver Slimer"
<ndr@slvrlps.c> wrote:

> On 14-05-14 11:07 PM,  flatfish+++ wrote:
>> On Wed, 14 May 2014 20:30:25 -0400, Silver Slimer wrote:
>> 
>>> On 14-05-14 08:04 PM,  flatfish+++ wrote:
>>> 
>>>>> It's sad to see an old bastard like you come off as stupid as some
>>>>> twenty-something mush-head.
>>>> 
>>>> Sandy Hook is real.
>>>> 9-11 is real.
>>>> 
>>>> Neither are false flag operations.
>>>> 
>>>> The various governments are evil, we all know that and we all know
>>>> that they have been involved in covert operations, cover ups and so
>>>> forth.
>>>> Sandy Hook nor the 9-11 (except for extreme incompetence) are not 2
>>>> of them.
>>>> 
>>>> If you want to look at conspiracy, look at TWA 800 which I truly
>>>> believe is a cover up, for various reasons.
>>>> 
>>>> Just my 2 cents.
>>> 
>>> I never really believed in any conspiracy theories until I went on
>>> vacation to Cuba in 2011 and spent most of my time there reading
>>> political books which documented the lies, manipulations and
>>> fabrications of the American government over the last century.
>> Of course there are military operations. It goes all the way back to
>> WW2 and Truman and his "secret government".
>> 
>> No arguement from me.
>> 
>> However, 9-11 and Sandy Hook don't apply.
>> 
>> No way.
>> No how.
>> 
>> Want a conspiracy?
>> TWA 800.......
>> Huge....
>> Start looking.
>> I lived it.
>> Right up the street from the "ground zero" operations if you will.
>> It stinks of conspiracy if you ask me.
> 
> My default stance on just about all of the news coming in from the
> United States government is that it's bullshit until irrefutable
> evidence is shown.

Right: you start with the assumption that things are false and then look for
evidence to back your views. This is confirmation bias on your part. In
doing so, you glom on to people who have found patterns by looking at drips
of evidence hand-picked from oceans of data.

You connect unrelated dots in much the same way people find constellations
in the stars. 

> I believe absolutely nothing about what they say until scientists demonstrate
> clear evidence that none of their statements are lies.

How would one do this? But your paranoia leads you to accept irrational
conspiracy theories. Note, I am not suggesting you should not be skeptical -
not at all - but in your eagerness to "prove" that you are special and in
the know, you accept the word of even *less* reliable sources such as
InfoWars. Completely irrational of you.

> They history precedes them and it would be foolish to immediately accept a
> word of what they say. I'm going to be looking up more on TWA 800 during my
> period break later on.

You buy into what Infowars says... then belittle others for believing what
the mass of evidence shows.

You would rather feel "safe" with a false boogieman than to accept you
cannot understand a complex and unpredictable world. So be it.


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#243745

On 5/14/14, 4:00 PM, in article hp39.3arp@rooftop.invalid, "owl"
<owl@rooftop.invalid> wrote:

>>>>>> Sandy Hook was a complete hoax, you dumbass.  And so was the Boston
>>>>>> Cherry
>>>>>> Bombing.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Agreed.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Both of you are loser scumbags for saying this.
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> How can you fall for that Yankee propaganda?
>> 
>> 
>> It's not propaganda, moron.  20 children and 6 adults really were murdered.
>> 
> 
> LOL!  You really are gullible!

How so? By not accepting your emotion-filled conclusion that your need to
*feel* more secure in an unpredictable world is more important than the
lives of 26 people (including 20 children) and the people whose lives were
affected by their deaths.

Your claim is irrational.


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#243452

On 5/13/14, 11:36 AM, in article tu39.a34pp@rooftop.invalid, "owl"
<owl@rooftop.invalid> wrote:

> Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>> On 5/13/14, 5:47 AM, in article hgue0.r34a@rooftop.invalid, "owl"
>> <owl@rooftop.invalid> wrote:
>> 
>>> Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>>>> <http://www.rawstory.com/rs/?p=620326>
>>>> 
>>>> Telling a parent of a child who was killed that their child never even
>>>> existed. 
>>>> 
>>>> Really. These people are just insane scum.
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> Fake parent.  Fake child.  No problem.
>> 
>> Ah, so you support the telling of a parent whose child was killed that their
>> child did not even exist - using the baseless accusation that they are not
>> really a parent of this child that did not exist.
>> 
>> You are utter scum as well.
> 
> Sandy Hook was a complete hoax, you dumbass.  And so was the Boston Cherry
> Bombing.

You conspiracy theory nonsense is completely unsupported and, frankly,
grossly offensive to the memories of those who died, their families, and
those who knew them. You have the right, of course, to push your idiotic,
unsupported nonsense, but do not expect reasonable people to not call you
out on your paranoid conspiracy nonsense.



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#243462

Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
> On 5/13/14, 11:36 AM, in article tu39.a34pp@rooftop.invalid, "owl"
> <owl@rooftop.invalid> wrote:
> 
>> Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>>> On 5/13/14, 5:47 AM, in article hgue0.r34a@rooftop.invalid, "owl"
>>> <owl@rooftop.invalid> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>>>>> <http://www.rawstory.com/rs/?p=620326>
>>>>> 
>>>>> Telling a parent of a child who was killed that their child never even
>>>>> existed. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Really. These people are just insane scum.
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Fake parent.  Fake child.  No problem.
>>> 
>>> Ah, so you support the telling of a parent whose child was killed that their
>>> child did not even exist - using the baseless accusation that they are not
>>> really a parent of this child that did not exist.
>>> 
>>> You are utter scum as well.
>> 
>> Sandy Hook was a complete hoax, you dumbass.  And so was the Boston Cherry
>> Bombing.
> 
> You conspiracy theory nonsense is completely unsupported and, frankly,
> grossly offensive to the memories of those who died, their families, and
> those who knew them. You have the right, of course, to push your idiotic,
> unsupported nonsense, but do not expect reasonable people to not call you
> out on your paranoid conspiracy nonsense.
> 

The only reason I can figure for why a faggot like you lives in the great
state of Arizona is that somebody must have dropped your dumb ass out in
the desert hoping you wouldn't make it.

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#243465

On 5/13/14, 12:01 PM, in article gh03.a3@rooftop.invalid, "owl"
<owl@rooftop.invalid> wrote:

> Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>> On 5/13/14, 11:36 AM, in article tu39.a34pp@rooftop.invalid, "owl"
>> <owl@rooftop.invalid> wrote:
>> 
>>> Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>>>> On 5/13/14, 5:47 AM, in article hgue0.r34a@rooftop.invalid, "owl"
>>>> <owl@rooftop.invalid> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>>>>>> <http://www.rawstory.com/rs/?p=620326>
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Telling a parent of a child who was killed that their child never even
>>>>>> existed. 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Really. These people are just insane scum.
>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Fake parent.  Fake child.  No problem.
>>>> 
>>>> Ah, so you support the telling of a parent whose child was killed that
>>>> their
>>>> child did not even exist - using the baseless accusation that they are not
>>>> really a parent of this child that did not exist.
>>>> 
>>>> You are utter scum as well.
>>> 
>>> Sandy Hook was a complete hoax, you dumbass.  And so was the Boston Cherry
>>> Bombing.
>> 
>> You conspiracy theory nonsense is completely unsupported and, frankly,
>> grossly offensive to the memories of those who died, their families, and
>> those who knew them. You have the right, of course, to push your idiotic,
>> unsupported nonsense, but do not expect reasonable people to not call you
>> out on your paranoid conspiracy nonsense.
>> 
> 
> The only reason I can figure for why a faggot like you lives in the great
> state of Arizona is that somebody must have dropped your dumb ass out in
> the desert hoping you wouldn't make it.
> 
> 
See: you lash out in anger. Remember:

  <http://goo.gl/6LV04> [Slate.com]
    -----
    First of all, why do people believe conspiracy theories?

    There are number of factors, but probably one of the most
    important ones in this instance is that, paradoxically, it gives
    people a sense of control. People hate randomness, they dread the
    sort of random occurrences that can destroy their lives, so as a
    mechanism against that dread, it turns out that it¹s much easier
    to believe in a conspiracy. Then you have someone to blame, it¹s
    not just randomness.

    What are the psychological forces at play in conspiracy thinking?

    Basically what¹s happening in any conspiracy theory is that people
    have a need or a motivation to believe in this theory, and it¹s
    psychologically different from evidence-based thinking. A
    conspiracy theory is immune to evidence, and that can pretty well
    serve as the definition of one. If you reject evidence, or
    reinterpret the evidence to be confirmation of your theory, or you
    ignore mountains of evidence to focus on just one thing, you¹re
    probably a conspiracy theorist. We call that a self-sealing nature
    of reasoning.
    -----

That fits you very well. Also Silver Slimer and GreyCloud. Amazing to watch.


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#243466

Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
> On 5/13/14, 12:01 PM, in article gh03.a3@rooftop.invalid, "owl"
> <owl@rooftop.invalid> wrote:
> 
>> Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>>> On 5/13/14, 11:36 AM, in article tu39.a34pp@rooftop.invalid, "owl"
>>> <owl@rooftop.invalid> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>>>>> On 5/13/14, 5:47 AM, in article hgue0.r34a@rooftop.invalid, "owl"
>>>>> <owl@rooftop.invalid> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> <http://www.rawstory.com/rs/?p=620326>
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Telling a parent of a child who was killed that their child never even
>>>>>>> existed. 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Really. These people are just insane scum.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Fake parent.  Fake child.  No problem.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Ah, so you support the telling of a parent whose child was killed that
>>>>> their
>>>>> child did not even exist - using the baseless accusation that they are not
>>>>> really a parent of this child that did not exist.
>>>>> 
>>>>> You are utter scum as well.
>>>> 
>>>> Sandy Hook was a complete hoax, you dumbass.  And so was the Boston Cherry
>>>> Bombing.
>>> 
>>> You conspiracy theory nonsense is completely unsupported and, frankly,
>>> grossly offensive to the memories of those who died, their families, and
>>> those who knew them. You have the right, of course, to push your idiotic,
>>> unsupported nonsense, but do not expect reasonable people to not call you
>>> out on your paranoid conspiracy nonsense.
>>> 
>> 
>> The only reason I can figure for why a faggot like you lives in the great
>> state of Arizona is that somebody must have dropped your dumb ass out in
>> the desert hoping you wouldn't make it.
>> 
>> 
> See: you lash out in anger. Remember:
> 
>  <http://goo.gl/6LV04> [Slate.com]
>    -----
>    First of all, why do people believe conspiracy theories?
> 
>    There are number of factors, but probably one of the most
>    important ones in this instance is that, paradoxically, it gives
>    people a sense of control. People hate randomness, they dread the
>    sort of random occurrences that can destroy their lives, so as a
>    mechanism against that dread, it turns out that it¹s much easier
>    to believe in a conspiracy. Then you have someone to blame, it¹s
>    not just randomness.
> 
>    What are the psychological forces at play in conspiracy thinking?
> 
>    Basically what¹s happening in any conspiracy theory is that people
>    have a need or a motivation to believe in this theory, and it¹s
>    psychologically different from evidence-based thinking. A
>    conspiracy theory is immune to evidence, and that can pretty well
>    serve as the definition of one. If you reject evidence, or
>    reinterpret the evidence to be confirmation of your theory, or you
>    ignore mountains of evidence to focus on just one thing, you¹re
>    probably a conspiracy theorist. We call that a self-sealing nature
>    of reasoning.
>    -----
> 
> That fits you very well. Also Silver Slimer and GreyCloud. Amazing to watch.
> 

I'm sure you'll provide those "mountains of evidence" any minute now...
 

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#243469

On 5/13/14, 12:27 PM, in article hg903.a33p@rooftop.invalid, "owl"
<owl@rooftop.invalid> wrote:

>>> The only reason I can figure for why a faggot like you lives in the great
>>> state of Arizona is that somebody must have dropped your dumb ass out in
>>> the desert hoping you wouldn't make it.
>>> 
>>> 
>> See: you lash out in anger. Remember:
>> 
>>  <http://goo.gl/6LV04> [Slate.com]
>>    -----
>>    First of all, why do people believe conspiracy theories?
>> 
>>    There are number of factors, but probably one of the most
>>    important ones in this instance is that, paradoxically, it gives
>>    people a sense of control. People hate randomness, they dread the
>>    sort of random occurrences that can destroy their lives, so as a
>>    mechanism against that dread, it turns out that it¹s much easier
>>    to believe in a conspiracy. Then you have someone to blame, it¹s
>>    not just randomness.
>> 
>>    What are the psychological forces at play in conspiracy thinking?
>> 
>>    Basically what¹s happening in any conspiracy theory is that people
>>    have a need or a motivation to believe in this theory, and it¹s
>>    psychologically different from evidence-based thinking. A
>>    conspiracy theory is immune to evidence, and that can pretty well
>>    serve as the definition of one. If you reject evidence, or
>>    reinterpret the evidence to be confirmation of your theory, or you
>>    ignore mountains of evidence to focus on just one thing, you¹re
>>    probably a conspiracy theorist. We call that a self-sealing nature
>>    of reasoning.
>>    -----
>> 
>> That fits you very well. Also Silver Slimer and GreyCloud. Amazing to watch.
>> 
> 
> I'm sure you'll provide those "mountains of evidence" any minute now...

For what? For the fact you push insane conspiracy nonsense?


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#243471

Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
> On 5/13/14, 12:27 PM, in article hg903.a33p@rooftop.invalid, "owl"
> <owl@rooftop.invalid> wrote:
> 
>>>> The only reason I can figure for why a faggot like you lives in the great
>>>> state of Arizona is that somebody must have dropped your dumb ass out in
>>>> the desert hoping you wouldn't make it.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> See: you lash out in anger. Remember:
>>> 
>>>  <http://goo.gl/6LV04> [Slate.com]
>>>    -----
>>>    First of all, why do people believe conspiracy theories?
>>> 
>>>    There are number of factors, but probably one of the most
>>>    important ones in this instance is that, paradoxically, it gives
>>>    people a sense of control. People hate randomness, they dread the
>>>    sort of random occurrences that can destroy their lives, so as a
>>>    mechanism against that dread, it turns out that it¹s much easier
>>>    to believe in a conspiracy. Then you have someone to blame, it¹s
>>>    not just randomness.
>>> 
>>>    What are the psychological forces at play in conspiracy thinking?
>>> 
>>>    Basically what¹s happening in any conspiracy theory is that people
>>>    have a need or a motivation to believe in this theory, and it¹s
>>>    psychologically different from evidence-based thinking. A
>>>    conspiracy theory is immune to evidence, and that can pretty well
>>>    serve as the definition of one. If you reject evidence, or
>>>    reinterpret the evidence to be confirmation of your theory, or you
>>>    ignore mountains of evidence to focus on just one thing, you¹re
>>>    probably a conspiracy theorist. We call that a self-sealing nature
>>>    of reasoning.
>>>    -----
>>> 
>>> That fits you very well. Also Silver Slimer and GreyCloud. Amazing to watch.
>>> 
>> 
>> I'm sure you'll provide those "mountains of evidence" any minute now...
> 
> For what? For the fact you push insane conspiracy nonsense?
> 

I see.  Your response to a request for evidence to support your bullshit
theories is simply to decline to provide that evidence.  No surprise there.
(And no suprise that you support Obama).

 

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#243475

On 5/13/14, 12:48 PM, in article 8ie.paer@rooftop.invalid, "owl"
<owl@rooftop.invalid> wrote:

> Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>> On 5/13/14, 12:27 PM, in article hg903.a33p@rooftop.invalid, "owl"
>> <owl@rooftop.invalid> wrote:
>> 
>>>>> The only reason I can figure for why a faggot like you lives in the great
>>>>> state of Arizona is that somebody must have dropped your dumb ass out in
>>>>> the desert hoping you wouldn't make it.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>> See: you lash out in anger. Remember:
>>>> 
>>>>  <http://goo.gl/6LV04> [Slate.com]
>>>>    -----
>>>>    First of all, why do people believe conspiracy theories?
>>>> 
>>>>    There are number of factors, but probably one of the most
>>>>    important ones in this instance is that, paradoxically, it gives
>>>>    people a sense of control. People hate randomness, they dread the
>>>>    sort of random occurrences that can destroy their lives, so as a
>>>>    mechanism against that dread, it turns out that it¹s much easier
>>>>    to believe in a conspiracy. Then you have someone to blame, it¹s
>>>>    not just randomness.
>>>> 
>>>>    What are the psychological forces at play in conspiracy thinking?
>>>> 
>>>>    Basically what¹s happening in any conspiracy theory is that people
>>>>    have a need or a motivation to believe in this theory, and it¹s
>>>>    psychologically different from evidence-based thinking. A
>>>>    conspiracy theory is immune to evidence, and that can pretty well
>>>>    serve as the definition of one. If you reject evidence, or
>>>>    reinterpret the evidence to be confirmation of your theory, or you
>>>>    ignore mountains of evidence to focus on just one thing, you¹re
>>>>    probably a conspiracy theorist. We call that a self-sealing nature
>>>>    of reasoning.
>>>>    -----
>>>> 
>>>> That fits you very well. Also Silver Slimer and GreyCloud. Amazing to
>>>> watch.
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> I'm sure you'll provide those "mountains of evidence" any minute now...
>> 
>> For what? For the fact you push insane conspiracy nonsense?
 
> I see.  Your response to a request for evidence to support your bullshit
> theories is simply to decline to provide that evidence.  No surprise there.
> (And no suprise that you support Obama).

Evidence for what? You already provided the proof that you are pushing an
insane conspiracy theory... you already provided the proof you are utter
scum who backs people who abuse mourning parents. I mean, really, how stupid
can you be to need "support" for your own posts from *today*!

Or maybe you want proof that Sandy Hook happened... as if that is in
question? It is not. If you want to pretend it is you have to show
evidence... extraordinary claims need extraordinary evidence. If you really
need evidence *again* about Sandy Hook I can point you to, literally, dozens
if not hundreds of news stories about it.



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#243479

Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
> On 5/13/14, 12:48 PM, in article 8ie.paer@rooftop.invalid, "owl"
> <owl@rooftop.invalid> wrote:
> 
>> Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>>> On 5/13/14, 12:27 PM, in article hg903.a33p@rooftop.invalid, "owl"
>>> <owl@rooftop.invalid> wrote:
>>> 
>>>>>> The only reason I can figure for why a faggot like you lives in the great
>>>>>> state of Arizona is that somebody must have dropped your dumb ass out in
>>>>>> the desert hoping you wouldn't make it.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>> See: you lash out in anger. Remember:
>>>>> 
>>>>>  <http://goo.gl/6LV04> [Slate.com]
>>>>>    -----
>>>>>    First of all, why do people believe conspiracy theories?
>>>>> 
>>>>>    There are number of factors, but probably one of the most
>>>>>    important ones in this instance is that, paradoxically, it gives
>>>>>    people a sense of control. People hate randomness, they dread the
>>>>>    sort of random occurrences that can destroy their lives, so as a
>>>>>    mechanism against that dread, it turns out that it¹s much easier
>>>>>    to believe in a conspiracy. Then you have someone to blame, it¹s
>>>>>    not just randomness.
>>>>> 
>>>>>    What are the psychological forces at play in conspiracy thinking?
>>>>> 
>>>>>    Basically what¹s happening in any conspiracy theory is that people
>>>>>    have a need or a motivation to believe in this theory, and it¹s
>>>>>    psychologically different from evidence-based thinking. A
>>>>>    conspiracy theory is immune to evidence, and that can pretty well
>>>>>    serve as the definition of one. If you reject evidence, or
>>>>>    reinterpret the evidence to be confirmation of your theory, or you
>>>>>    ignore mountains of evidence to focus on just one thing, you¹re
>>>>>    probably a conspiracy theorist. We call that a self-sealing nature
>>>>>    of reasoning.
>>>>>    -----
>>>>> 
>>>>> That fits you very well. Also Silver Slimer and GreyCloud. Amazing to
>>>>> watch.
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> I'm sure you'll provide those "mountains of evidence" any minute now...
>>> 
>>> For what? For the fact you push insane conspiracy nonsense?
> 
>> I see.  Your response to a request for evidence to support your bullshit
>> theories is simply to decline to provide that evidence.  No surprise there.
>> (And no suprise that you support Obama).
> 
> Evidence for what? You already provided the proof that you are pushing an
> insane conspiracy theory... you already provided the proof you are utter
> scum who backs people who abuse mourning parents. I mean, really, how stupid
> can you be to need "support" for your own posts from *today*!
> 
> Or maybe you want proof that Sandy Hook happened... as if that is in
> question? It is not. If you want to pretend it is you have to show
> evidence... extraordinary claims need extraordinary evidence. If you really
> need evidence *again* about Sandy Hook I can point you to, literally, dozens
> if not hundreds of news stories about it.
> 

So in your mind a news story constitutes evidence?
 

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#243483

On 5/13/14, 1:15 PM, in article hgue00.a34@rooftop.invalid, "owl"
<owl@rooftop.invalid> wrote:

>>>> For what? For the fact you push insane conspiracy nonsense?
>> 
>>> I see.  Your response to a request for evidence to support your bullshit
>>> theories is simply to decline to provide that evidence.  No surprise there.
>>> (And no suprise that you support Obama).
>> 
>> Evidence for what? You already provided the proof that you are pushing an
>> insane conspiracy theory... you already provided the proof you are utter
>> scum who backs people who abuse mourning parents. I mean, really, how stupid
>> can you be to need "support" for your own posts from *today*!
>> 
>> Or maybe you want proof that Sandy Hook happened... as if that is in
>> question? It is not. If you want to pretend it is you have to show
>> evidence... extraordinary claims need extraordinary evidence. If you really
>> need evidence *again* about Sandy Hook I can point you to, literally, dozens
>> if not hundreds of news stories about it.
>> 
> 
> So in your mind a news story constitutes evidence?

The overwhelming mass of evidence with *nothing* to suggest it is in any way
significantly wrong is one thing you are missing. Here is more of what you
are missing:

  <http://goo.gl/6LV04> [Slate.com]
    -----
    First of all, why do people believe conspiracy theories?

    There are number of factors, but probably one of the most
    important ones in this instance is that, paradoxically, it gives
    people a sense of control. People hate randomness, they dread the
    sort of random occurrences that can destroy their lives, so as a
    mechanism against that dread, it turns out that it¹s much easier
    to believe in a conspiracy. Then you have someone to blame, it¹s
    not just randomness.

    What are the psychological forces at play in conspiracy thinking?

    Basically what¹s happening in any conspiracy theory is that people
    have a need or a motivation to believe in this theory, and it¹s
    psychologically different from evidence-based thinking. A
    conspiracy theory is immune to evidence, and that can pretty well
    serve as the definition of one. If you reject evidence, or
    reinterpret the evidence to be confirmation of your theory, or you
    ignore mountains of evidence to focus on just one thing, you¹re
    probably a conspiracy theorist. We call that a self-sealing nature
    of reasoning.
    -----

  <http://goo.gl/f3pqK2> [Psychology Today]
    -----
    Melley proposes that conspiracy thinking arises from a combination
    of two factors, when someone: 1) holds strong individualist values
    and 2) lacks a sense of control. The first attribute refers to
    people who care deeply about an individual's right to make their
    own choices and direct their own lives without interference or
    obligations to a larger system (like the government). But combine
    this with a sense of powerlessness in one's own life, and you get
    what Melley calls agency panic, "intense anxiety about an apparent
    loss of autonomy" to outside forces or regulators.

    When fervent individualists feel that they cannot exercise their
    independence, they experience a crisis and assume that larger
    forces are to blame for usurping this freedom. "For one who
    refuses to relinquish the assumptions of liberal individualism,
    such newly revealed forms of regulation frequently seem so
    unacceptable or unbelievable that they can only be met with
    anxiety, melodrama, or panic."
    ...
    For one thing, conspiracy theories help us cope with distressing
    events and make sense out of them. Conspiracies assure us that bad
    things don't just happen randomly. Conspiracies tell us that
    someone out there is accountable, however unwittingly or secretly
    or incomprehensibly, so it's possible to stop these people and
    punish them and in due course let everyone else re-establish
    control over their own lives. Conspiracies also remind us that we
    shouldn't blame ourselves for our predicaments; it's not our
    fault, it's them! In these ways, believing in conspiracies serves
    many of the same self-protective functions as scapegoating.
    -----
    
  <http://goo.gl/JQ4NV> [Psychology Today]
    -----
    The number sounded wildly inflated. Conspiracy theorists have a
    grandiose view of themselves as heroes "manning the barricades of
    civilization" at an urgent "turning point" in history, Hofstadter
    held. Jones has a "messiah complex," Black contends. Grandiosity
    is often a defense against underlying feelings of powerlessness.

    Even well-grounded skeptics are prone to connect disparate dots
    when they feel disempowered. In a series of studies, Jennifer
    Whitson of the University of Texas and Adam Galinsky of
    Northwestern demonstrated that people primed to feel out of
    control are particularly likely to see patterns in random stimuli.
    -----
    
  <http://goo.gl/v0dU9> [NY Times]
    -----
    "If you know the truth and others don't, that's one way you can
    reassert feelings of having agency," Swami says. It can be
    comforting to do your own research even if that research is
    flawed. It feels good to be the wise old goat in a flock of sheep.

    Surprisingly, Swami's work has also turned up a correlation
    between conspiracy theorizing and strong support of democratic
    principles. But this isn't quite so strange if you consider the
    context. Kathryn Olmsted, a historian at the University of
    California, Davis, says that conspiracy theories wouldn't exist in
    a world in which real conspiracies don't exist. And those
    conspiracies -- Watergate or the Iran-contra Affair -- often involve
    manipulating and circumventing the democratic process. Even people
    who believe that the Sandy Hook shooting was actually a drama
    staged by actors couch their arguments in concern for the
    preservation of the Second Amendment.
    ...
    Psychologists aren¹t sure whether powerlessness causes conspiracy
    theories or vice versa. Either way, the current scientific
    thinking suggests these beliefs are nothing more than an extreme
    form of cynicism, a turning away from politics and traditional
    media ‹ which only perpetuates the problem.
    -----
    
  <http://goo.gl/psXzzr> [Smart Planet]
    -----
    A new article in Scientific American tries to figure that out.
    Michael Shermer outlines in his "Skeptic" column four traits of
    those who believe:

    * patternicity, or a tendency to find meaningful patterns in
      random noise;
    * agenticity, or the bent to believe the world is controlled by
      invisible intentional agent;
    * confirmation bias, or the seeking and finding of confirmatory
      evidence for what we already believe;
    * hindsight bias, or tailoring after-the-fact explanations to what
      we already know happened.
    
    A conspiracy theory takes flight when all of these are concocted
    into a heady mix of conviction. It's called "conspiratorial
    cognition," and it's the fuel driving belief in Bigfoot, Area 51's
    UFOs and the paranormal.
    ...
    Some points from his article:

    * People who believe in one theory are more likely to believe in
      others.
    * There is a strong association between income and belief levels:
      the better-off are less likely to believe in conspiracy
      theories. (Perhaps this can be chalked up to education.)
    * Instability makes most of us uncomfortable; people prefer to
      imagine living in a predictable, safe world. Some conspiracy
      theories offer accounts that feel "safe" or "predictable."
    * Conspiracy theories often mutate over time in light of new or
      contradicting evidence.
    * Conspiracies usually require a big newsworthy event on which to
      peg it.

    But it's Shermer who drives the point home. He writes:

    "The more elaborate a conspiracy theory is, and the more people that
    would need to be involved, the less likely it is true."
    -----
    
  <http://goo.gl/EFn7BG> [LA Times]
    -----
    Conspiracy theories: Why we believe the unbelievable

    Why do so many people refuse to accept this simple and obvious
    conclusion? The answer: psychology.

    There are three psychological effects at work here, starting with
    "cognitive dissonance," or the discomfort felt when holding two
    ideas that are not in harmony. We attempt to reduce the dissonance
    by altering one of the ideas to be in accord with the other.
    ...
    A second psychological effect is the "monological belief system,"
    or "a unitary, closed-off worldview in which beliefs come together
    in a mutually supportive network," in the words of University of
    Kent researchers Michael J. Wood, Karen M. Douglas and Robbie M.
    Sutton in a 2012 paper titled "Dead and Alive: Beliefs in
    Contradictory Conspiracy Theories." A conspiracy theory, they
    wrote, is "a proposed plot by powerful people or organizations
    working together in secret to accomplish some (usually sinister)
    goal." Once you believe that "one massive, sinister conspiracy
    could be successfully executed in near-perfect secrecy [it]
    suggests that many such plots are possible."
    ...
    A third psychological effect is "confirmation bias," or the
    tendency to look for and find confirming evidence for what you
    already believe and to ignore disconfirming evidence. Once you
    believe, say, that 9/11 was an inside job by the Bush
    administration, you focus on the handful of anomalies that fateful
    day and connect them into a seemingly meaningful pattern, while
    ignoring the massive evidence pointing to Al Qaeda.
    -----



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#243491

Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
> On 5/13/14, 1:15 PM, in article hgue00.a34@rooftop.invalid, "owl"
> <owl@rooftop.invalid> wrote:
> 
>>>>> For what? For the fact you push insane conspiracy nonsense?
>>> 
>>>> I see.  Your response to a request for evidence to support your bullshit
>>>> theories is simply to decline to provide that evidence.  No surprise there.
>>>> (And no suprise that you support Obama).
>>> 
>>> Evidence for what? You already provided the proof that you are pushing an
>>> insane conspiracy theory... you already provided the proof you are utter
>>> scum who backs people who abuse mourning parents. I mean, really, how stupid
>>> can you be to need "support" for your own posts from *today*!
>>> 
>>> Or maybe you want proof that Sandy Hook happened... as if that is in
>>> question? It is not. If you want to pretend it is you have to show
>>> evidence... extraordinary claims need extraordinary evidence. If you really
>>> need evidence *again* about Sandy Hook I can point you to, literally, dozens
>>> if not hundreds of news stories about it.
>>> 
>> 
>> So in your mind a news story constitutes evidence?
> 
> The overwhelming mass of evidence with *nothing* to suggest it is in any way
> significantly wrong is one thing you are missing.

What mass of evidence?  "News stories"?  Like this?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V%C3%B6lkischer_Beobachter

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#243494

On 5/13/14, 1:43 PM, in article hgje90.a3@rooftop.invalid, "owl"
<owl@rooftop.invalid> wrote:

> Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>> On 5/13/14, 1:15 PM, in article hgue00.a34@rooftop.invalid, "owl"
>> <owl@rooftop.invalid> wrote:
>> 
>>>>>> For what? For the fact you push insane conspiracy nonsense?
>>>> 
>>>>> I see.  Your response to a request for evidence to support your bullshit
>>>>> theories is simply to decline to provide that evidence.  No surprise
>>>>> there.
>>>>> (And no suprise that you support Obama).
>>>> 
>>>> Evidence for what? You already provided the proof that you are pushing an
>>>> insane conspiracy theory... you already provided the proof you are utter
>>>> scum who backs people who abuse mourning parents. I mean, really, how
>>>> stupid
>>>> can you be to need "support" for your own posts from *today*!
>>>> 
>>>> Or maybe you want proof that Sandy Hook happened... as if that is in
>>>> question? It is not. If you want to pretend it is you have to show
>>>> evidence... extraordinary claims need extraordinary evidence. If you really
>>>> need evidence *again* about Sandy Hook I can point you to, literally,
>>>> dozens
>>>> if not hundreds of news stories about it.
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> So in your mind a news story constitutes evidence?
>> 
>> The overwhelming mass of evidence with *nothing* to suggest it is in any way
>> significantly wrong is one thing you are missing.
> 
> What mass of evidence?  "News stories"?  Like this?
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V%C3%B6lkischer_Beobachter
> 
> 
The mass of evidence that has been, well, everywhere. I already showed you
pictures and names... and explained why it would take thousands upon
thousands of people to push the type of insane conspiracy nonsense you push.
You do not care. You only care that you do not have to deal with a "random"
world where bad things happen in ways you cannot predict or explain.

So be it: you do not care about logic and reason and rationality.


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