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  Why Linux haters fail chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-09 08:37 -0600
    Re: Why Linux haters fail Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-11-09 07:03 -0800
    Re: Why Linux haters fail nobody <nobodysaysitalldoesntit@nobo.org> - 2018-11-09 11:04 -0500
      Re: Why Linux haters fail Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-11-09 08:20 -0800
      Re: Why Linux haters fail chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-09 10:41 -0600
        Re: Why Linux haters fail -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2018-11-09 09:57 -0800
          Re: Why Linux haters fail Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-11-09 10:24 -0800
          Re: Why Linux haters fail chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-09 14:48 -0600
            Re: Why Linux haters fail Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-11-09 15:18 -0700
            Re: Why Linux haters fail RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2018-11-09 23:14 +0000
              Re: Why Linux haters fail Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-11-09 15:37 -0800
                Re: Why Linux haters fail Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-11-09 18:58 -0800
              Re: Why Linux haters fail Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-11-09 16:50 -0700
              Re: Why Linux haters fail -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2018-11-09 18:29 -0800
                Re: Why Linux haters fail Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-11-09 20:17 -0800
              Re: Why Linux haters fail chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-12 07:09 -0600
                Re: Why Linux haters fail Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-11-12 05:27 -0800
                Re: Why Linux haters fail -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2018-11-12 06:28 -0800
                  Re: Why Linux haters fail Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-11-12 06:59 -0800
                  Re: Why Linux haters fail chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-12 09:21 -0600
                    Re: Why Linux haters fail Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-11-12 07:34 -0800
                      Re: Why Linux haters fail Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-11-12 20:02 -0700
                    Re: Why Linux haters fail -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2018-11-12 08:51 -0800
                      Re: Why Linux haters fail chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-12 11:37 -0600
                        Re: Why Linux haters fail chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-12 12:07 -0600
                          Re: Why Linux haters fail RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2018-11-12 18:40 +0000
                          Re: Why Linux haters fail Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-11-12 12:42 -0800
                        Re: Why Linux haters fail -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2018-11-12 13:06 -0800
                          Re: Why Linux haters fail Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-11-12 20:16 -0800
                            Re: Why Linux haters fail Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-11-13 05:57 -0800
                        Re: Why Linux haters fail Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-11-12 20:01 -0700
                          Re: Why Linux haters fail Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-11-13 04:06 -0800
            Re: Why Linux haters fail -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2018-11-09 18:25 -0800
              Re: Why Linux haters fail Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-11-09 18:43 -0800
        Re: Why Linux haters fail Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-11-09 11:46 -0700
      Re: Why Linux haters fail Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-11-09 11:58 -0700
    Too many of the Linux Supporters in COLA are total fruits Simon bar Sinister <john.h.gohde@gmail.com> - 2018-11-09 08:23 -0800
      Re: Too many of the Linux Supporters in COLA are total fruits Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-11-09 09:21 -0800
    Too many of the Linux Supporters in COLA are total Linux fruits for anyone here to care Simon bar Sinister <john.h.gohde@gmail.com> - 2018-11-12 05:14 -0800

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#476918

On Monday, November 12, 2018 at 8:21:51 AM UTC-7, chrisv wrote:
> -hh wrote:
> 
> >Not to be *too* smug...but it is ironic then that said “idiot” keeps on beating chrisv 
> >such as by pointing out his logical fallacies.  (snipped, unread)
> 
> Hahaha!!!  Look whose talking!  Didn't we recently see you "logically"
> make about a half-dozen incorrect conclusions, based-upon a photo of
> my shoes?
> 
> You really made a jackass of yourself, on that day, -highhorse!

If there was a 'Snit of the year award' that one would probably qualify him ;)

(sorry, hh, but you did step in it waist deep there)

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#477053

On 11/12/18 8:34 AM, Steve Carroll wrote:
> On Monday, November 12, 2018 at 8:21:51 AM UTC-7, chrisv wrote:
>> -hh wrote:
>>
>>> Not to be *too* smug...but it is ironic then that said “idiot” keeps on beating chrisv
>>> such as by pointing out his logical fallacies.  (snipped, unread)
>>
>> Hahaha!!!  Look whose talking!  Didn't we recently see you "logically"
>> make about a half-dozen incorrect conclusions, based-upon a photo of
>> my shoes?
>>
>> You really made a jackass of yourself, on that day, -highhorse!
> 
> If there was a 'Snit of the year award' that one would probably qualify him ;)
> 
> (sorry, hh, but you did step in it waist deep there)
> 
Ah, more of your insults. Are you awaiting your family and police to 
come speak to you again?

-- 
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They 
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel 
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

<https://youtu.be/H4NW-Cqh308>

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#476939

chrisv wrote:
> -hh wrote: 
> > Not to be *too* smug...but it is ironic then that said “idiot” keeps on beating chrisv 
> > such as by pointing out his logical fallacies.  (snipped, unread) 
> 
> Hahaha!!!  Look whose talking!  Didn't we recently see you "logically" 
> make about a half-dozen incorrect conclusions, based-upon a photo of 
> my shoes? 

No, just one.  But it is a convenient attempt for chrisv to try to distract readers 
into forgetting *why* he posted the pic in the first place...

> You really made a jackass of yourself, on that day, -highhorse! 

Yet just who was it again who had showcased ones’s office attire being
of sneakers (not shoes) worn with crumpled, creaseless jeans?  

What was it trying to prove again?  That they aren’t lilac colored anymore?


-hh

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#476949

lying asshole "-hh" wrote:

>chrisv wrote:
>> -hh wrote: 
>> > Not to be *too* smug...but it is ironic then that said “idiot” keeps on beating chrisv 
>> > such as by pointing out his logical fallacies.  (snipped, unread) 
>> 
>> Hahaha!!!  Look whose talking!  Didn't we recently see you "logically" 
>> make about a half-dozen incorrect conclusions, based-upon a photo of 
>> my shoes? 
>
>No, just one.  (snipped, unread)

If you're going to lead-off your post with a lie, I'm going to stop
reading it, -highhorse.

Just as in your previous post, claiming that you've pointed-out
"logical fallaices" from me, which, of course, has never happened.

Back on planet Earth, I have documented your logical fallicies
countless times.

Is critisizing some aspects of a product's design the same as saying
that it will not succeed in the market, -highhorse?  You felt
strongly-enough that the one leads to another, that you accused an
honest man of lying.  That makes you an asshole, as well as an idiot.

You well-documented Photoshop lies also come quickly to mind.  From
our entirely reasonable, value-based opinions, you concluded that we
"globally reject it for all possible consumers", and that we have an
"irrational hate" of it, which demonstrates an "unfortunate
close-mindedness".

One of your biggest laughers was when you argued that Linux users are
more likely to pirate Windows software than Windows users are.  The
sole piece of evidence behind this piece of  "logic" was that Windows
has "more & better software tools".  Err...  People who need those
tools generally just run Windows.

How about your claim that Linux distros decling to spend the money so
that they may legally call their distro a "unix" "logically" results
in a lack of "customer-centric expectations of quality assurance".

How about your claim that using both Windows and Linux is a dilemma,
akin to wanting to wanting to "have your cake and eat it too"?  Funny,
I see no similarities in the two situations.

And on what basis did you conclude that "a healthy segment of the
advocates" use Linux "merely that it is cheap (free)"?  Because it's
not at all true, you know.  You just *constantly* at getting it wrong,
-highhorse.

I could go on and on...

-- 
"I've used Linux for awhile; it failed to be compelling so I moved on.
This really pisses off the COLA boys because their "..but if you were
to just TRY it.." argument has been applied and they still failed."  -
lying asshole "-hh", lying shamelessly

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#476962

chrisv wrote:

>I could go on and on...

Oh, I must remind of the time that -highhorse "logically concluded"
that I have not been as successful in my career as I would have like.

The basis for this "logical" conclusion?  My "bitter" attitude in
cola.

Gosh, couldn't there be *some other* explanation for my being
"bitter"?  Seriously, a 5-year-old could see the massive hole in the
logic!

Pull up a seat and grab your popcorn, everyone.  Hopefully, -highhorse
will put his "logic" skills on display for us, again, and support his
"case".  (I won't read it, though.)

Obviously, you would *never* see me make *any* of these types of
logical errors that -highhorse does *with regularity*.

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#476971

On 2018-11-12, chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> chrisv wrote:
>
>>I could go on and on...
>
> Oh, I must remind of the time that -highhorse "logically concluded"
> that I have not been as successful in my career as I would have like.
>
> The basis for this "logical" conclusion?  My "bitter" attitude in
> cola.
>
> Gosh, couldn't there be *some other* explanation for my being
> "bitter"?  Seriously, a 5-year-old could see the massive hole in the
> logic!
>
> Pull up a seat and grab your popcorn, everyone.  Hopefully, -highhorse
> will put his "logic" skills on display for us, again, and support his
> "case".  (I won't read it, though.)
>
> Obviously, you would *never* see me make *any* of these types of
> logical errors that -highhorse does *with regularity*.

I've met "-highorse" types in real life. They're usually smarmy and smug and 
(strangely enough) no one wants anything to do with them. If we're going to 
play "I know all about your life even though I don't know shit from Shinola" 
than I would guess that "-highhorse" is fundamentally lonely and bitter.

-- 
The more I see of Windows, the more I like Linux.

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#476981

On Monday, November 12, 2018 at 11:07:08 AM UTC-7, chrisv wrote:
> chrisv wrote:
> 
> >I could go on and on...
> 
> Oh, I must remind of the time that -highhorse "logically concluded"
> that I have not been as successful in my career as I would have like.
> 
> The basis for this "logical" conclusion?  My "bitter" attitude in
> cola.
> 
> Gosh, couldn't there be *some other* explanation for my being
> "bitter"?  Seriously, a 5-year-old could see the massive hole in the
> logic!
> 
> Pull up a seat and grab your popcorn, everyone.  Hopefully, -highhorse
> will put his "logic" skills on display for us, again, and support his
> "case".  (I won't read it, though.)
> 
> Obviously, you would *never* see me make *any* of these types of
> logical errors that -highhorse does *with regularity*.



William Poaster and I will destroy LibreOffice with my mind. 

William Poaster's computer has more cores than Jeff 'The Flooder' Relf's. William Poaster wins. Jeff 'The Flooder' Relf loses. So take that, Jeff 'The Flooder' Relf. These posts are clearly NOT automated, they are made by a pill popping pervert with a sick agenda who has way too much time on his hands. HA! You've proven very little. 

Jeff 'The Flooder' Relf gets excited that William Poaster is on the other end. Imagine if Jeff 'The Flooder' Relf walked up to a wall and delivered the punch line. It wouldn't be worth it. William Poaster gave back what he gets from Jeff 'The Flooder' Relf some, big deal. No need to be a whiny jerk about it? 

--
"You'll notice how quickly he loses interest when everything is about him. He clearly wants the attention"
Steve Carroll, making the dumbest comment ever uttered.

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#476984

On Monday, November 12, 2018 at 12:37:17 PM UTC-5, chrisv wrote:
> lying asshole "-hh" wrote:
> 
> >chrisv wrote:
> >> -hh wrote: 
> >> > Not to be *too* smug...but it is ironic then that said “idiot” keeps on beating chrisv 
> >> > such as by pointing out his logical fallacies.  (snipped, unread) 
> >> 
> >> Hahaha!!!  Look whose talking!  Didn't we recently see you "logically" 
> >> make about a half-dozen incorrect conclusions, based-upon a photo of 
> >> my shoes? 
> >
> >No, just one.  (snipped, unread)
> 
> If you're going to lead-off your post with a lie, I'm going to stop
> reading it, -highhorse.

My mistake was to believe that a self-proclaimed Engineer was competent 
enough to take a simple photo.  My bad.


> Just as in your previous post, claiming that you've pointed-out
> "logical fallaices" from me, which, of course, has never happened.
> 
> Back on planet Earth, I have documented your logical fallicies
> countless times.

Sorry, but repeating a lie over & over again still doesn't make it true.
 

> Is critisizing some aspects of a product's design the same as saying
> that it will not succeed in the market, -highhorse?  

Incorrect, for it isn't "some" because a fundamental aspect of FOSS is 
found in the very first word:  "Free".  This is what makes it incompatible 
with the classical tenants of Capitalism's markets.   

Furthermore, the point wasn't if it would "succeed", but if Capitalism's 
"free market" principles that you babble about even apply.  As was noted 
(but "snipped") is that Capitalism's market forces to reward/punish Linux
don't exist:  bad old crappy distro's can (& do!) hang around for years, 
capturing unwary perspective clients just like a ghost net kills fish, never
to be harvested by the fisherman.  


> You felt strongly-enough that the one leads to another, that you accused
> an honest man of lying.  That makes you an asshole, as well as an idiot.

Just who is this alleged "honest man"?  That can't be you, because those
accusations were substantiated, and an honest man doesn't lie.  

 
> You well-documented Photoshop lies also come quickly to mind.  From
> our entirely reasonable, value-based opinions, you concluded that we
> "globally reject it for all possible consumers", and that we have an
> "irrational hate" of it, which demonstrates an "unfortunate
> close-mindedness".

Never mind that I provided cites which showed that that was indeed the
claim which Linux advocates had made!  /S  

And that's not even counting Mister "70,000x better!".


> One of your biggest laughers was when you argued that Linux users are
> more likely to pirate Windows software than Windows users are.  

Got cite for that?  Because I don't recall it being comparative.  And that's
even before noting that your phrasing doesn't deny Linux pirates - just
that they're supposedly "not as bad".  


> The sole piece of evidence behind this piece of  "logic" was that Windows
> has "more & better software tools".  Err...  People who need those
> tools generally just run Windows.

False, for there was also the sales of Linux PCs in India, which then failed 
to show up in their usage stats.  
 
> How about your claim that Linux distros decling to spend the money 
> so that they may legally call their distro a "unix" "logically" results
> in a lack of "customer-centric expectations of quality assurance".

Some customers won't buy anything but certified Unix(TM) because of
the assurances to customers that certification reportedly affords.  And
since it isn't a freebee rubber stamp, very few (if any) Linux distributions
bother with it, and therefore do not compete in that marketplace. 
 
> How about your claim that using both Windows and Linux is a dilemma,
> akin to wanting to wanting to "have your cake and eat it too"?  Funny,
> I see no similarities in the two situations.

Because no Linux person ran Wine ever!  /S


> And on what basis did you conclude that "a healthy segment of the
> advocates" use Linux "merely that it is cheap (free)"?  Because it's
> not at all true, you know. 

 That's nice, but data trumps faith. 
 
As was just cited again last week, the research data found that iOS has a
higher income than Android.  Ditto for Mac vs PC, again in favor of Apple. 
There's also data that says that intelligence is a predictor of success, 
including income: 
 
<https://www.studyfinds.org/survey-iphone-owners-happier-more-money-friends-android/> 

<https://www.forbes.com/sites/adriankingsleyhughes/2012/06/26/mac-users-have-money-to-spare-says-orbitz/> 
<https://www.forbes.com/sites/quora/2015/09/16/is-iq-a-predictor-of-success/> 
<http://vaultfeed.com/study-finds-that-iphone-users-are-smarter-and-wealthier-then-samsung-users/> 

BTW, going by the first of these URL's (and the most recent), it found that 
the income of Apple (iOS) customers is 44% higher than of Linux (Android).   



-hh

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#477064

On Monday, November 12, 2018 at 2:07:02 PM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
> On Monday, November 12, 2018 at 12:37:17 PM UTC-5, chrisv wrote:
> > lying asshole "-hh" wrote:
> > 
> > >chrisv wrote:
> > >> -hh wrote: 
> > >> > Not to be *too* smug...but it is ironic then that said “idiot” keeps on beating chrisv 
> > >> > such as by pointing out his logical fallacies.  (snipped, unread) 
> > >> 
> > >> Hahaha!!!  Look whose talking!  Didn't we recently see you "logically" 
> > >> make about a half-dozen incorrect conclusions, based-upon a photo of 
> > >> my shoes? 
> > >
> > >No, just one.  (snipped, unread)
> > 
> > If you're going to lead-off your post with a lie, I'm going to stop
> > reading it, -highhorse.
> 
> My mistake was to believe that a self-proclaimed Engineer was competent 
> enough to take a simple photo.  My bad.
> 
> 
> > Just as in your previous post, claiming that you've pointed-out
> > "logical fallaices" from me, which, of course, has never happened.
> > 
> > Back on planet Earth, I have documented your logical fallicies
> > countless times.
> 
> Sorry, but repeating a lie over & over again still doesn't make it true.
>  
> 
> > Is critisizing some aspects of a product's design the same as saying
> > that it will not succeed in the market, -highhorse?  
> 
> Incorrect, for it isn't "some" because a fundamental aspect of FOSS is 
> found in the very first word:  "Free".  This is what makes it incompatible 
> with the classical tenants of Capitalism's markets.   
> 
> Furthermore, the point wasn't if it would "succeed", but if Capitalism's 
> "free market" principles that you babble about even apply.  As was noted 
> (but "snipped") is that Capitalism's market forces to reward/punish Linux
> don't exist:  bad old crappy distro's can (& do!) hang around for years, 
> capturing unwary perspective clients just like a ghost net kills fish, never
> to be harvested by the fisherman.  
> 
> 
> > You felt strongly-enough that the one leads to another, that you accused
> > an honest man of lying.  That makes you an asshole, as well as an idiot.
> 
> Just who is this alleged "honest man"?  That can't be you, because those
> accusations were substantiated, and an honest man doesn't lie.  
> 
>  
> > You well-documented Photoshop lies also come quickly to mind.  From
> > our entirely reasonable, value-based opinions, you concluded that we
> > "globally reject it for all possible consumers", and that we have an
> > "irrational hate" of it, which demonstrates an "unfortunate
> > close-mindedness".
> 
> Never mind that I provided cites which showed that that was indeed the
> claim which Linux advocates had made!  /S  
> 
> And that's not even counting Mister "70,000x better!".
> 
> 
> > One of your biggest laughers was when you argued that Linux users are
> > more likely to pirate Windows software than Windows users are.  
> 
> Got cite for that?  Because I don't recall it being comparative.  And that's
> even before noting that your phrasing doesn't deny Linux pirates - just
> that they're supposedly "not as bad".  
> 
> 
> > The sole piece of evidence behind this piece of  "logic" was that Windows
> > has "more & better software tools".  Err...  People who need those
> > tools generally just run Windows.
> 
> False, for there was also the sales of Linux PCs in India, which then failed 
> to show up in their usage stats.  
>  
> > How about your claim that Linux distros decling to spend the money 
> > so that they may legally call their distro a "unix" "logically" results
> > in a lack of "customer-centric expectations of quality assurance".
> 
> Some customers won't buy anything but certified Unix(TM) because of
> the assurances to customers that certification reportedly affords.  And
> since it isn't a freebee rubber stamp, very few (if any) Linux distributions
> bother with it, and therefore do not compete in that marketplace. 
>  
> > How about your claim that using both Windows and Linux is a dilemma,
> > akin to wanting to wanting to "have your cake and eat it too"?  Funny,
> > I see no similarities in the two situations.
> 
> Because no Linux person ran Wine ever!  /S
> 
> 
> > And on what basis did you conclude that "a healthy segment of the
> > advocates" use Linux "merely that it is cheap (free)"?  Because it's
> > not at all true, you know. 
> 
>  That's nice, but data trumps faith. 
>  
> As was just cited again last week, the research data found that iOS has a
> higher income than Android.  Ditto for Mac vs PC, again in favor of Apple. 
> There's also data that says that intelligence is a predictor of success, 
> including income: 
>  
> <https://www.studyfinds.org/survey-iphone-owners-happier-more-money-friends-android/> 
> 
> <https://www.forbes.com/sites/adriankingsleyhughes/2012/06/26/mac-users-have-money-to-spare-says-orbitz/> 
> <https://www.forbes.com/sites/quora/2015/09/16/is-iq-a-predictor-of-success/> 
> <http://vaultfeed.com/study-finds-that-iphone-users-are-smarter-and-wealthier-then-samsung-users/> 
> 
> BTW, going by the first of these URL's (and the most recent), it found that 
> the income of Apple (iOS) customers is 44% higher than of Linux (Android).   
> 
> 
> 
> -hh



BTW, I've already pointed out that his use of "herd" to describe true advocates is insulting, since he's likening them to Mac users. I don't know if there is a encumbered open source program to handle such tasks. Jonas Eklundh has yet to show how MATE does anything above the minimum on Linux. 

That is the problem now and less experienced educators don't care at all; people from earlier generations SHOULD know better than to fall for the New World agenda. And in retaliation you have nothing but a crack to start more flooding. 



--
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https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/comp.os.linux.advocacy/smzXrBhsWf4
http://www.5z8.info/killallimmigrants_t8w8io_asian-brides
Jonas Eklundh

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#477100

On Monday, November 12, 2018 at 9:16:39 PM UTC-7, Steve Carroll wrote:
> On Monday, November 12, 2018 at 2:07:02 PM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
> > On Monday, November 12, 2018 at 12:37:17 PM UTC-5, chrisv wrote:
> > > lying asshole "-hh" wrote:
> > > 
> > > >chrisv wrote:
> > > >> -hh wrote: 
> > > >> > Not to be *too* smug...but it is ironic then that said “idiot” keeps on beating chrisv 
> > > >> > such as by pointing out his logical fallacies.  (snipped, unread) 
> > > >> 
> > > >> Hahaha!!!  Look whose talking!  Didn't we recently see you "logically" 
> > > >> make about a half-dozen incorrect conclusions, based-upon a photo of 
> > > >> my shoes? 
> > > >
> > > >No, just one.  (snipped, unread)
> > > 
> > > If you're going to lead-off your post with a lie, I'm going to stop
> > > reading it, -highhorse.
> > 
> > My mistake was to believe that a self-proclaimed Engineer was competent 
> > enough to take a simple photo.  My bad.
> > 
> > 
> > > Just as in your previous post, claiming that you've pointed-out
> > > "logical fallaices" from me, which, of course, has never happened.
> > > 
> > > Back on planet Earth, I have documented your logical fallicies
> > > countless times.
> > 
> > Sorry, but repeating a lie over & over again still doesn't make it true.
> >  
> > 
> > > Is critisizing some aspects of a product's design the same as saying
> > > that it will not succeed in the market, -highhorse?  
> > 
> > Incorrect, for it isn't "some" because a fundamental aspect of FOSS is 
> > found in the very first word:  "Free".  This is what makes it incompatible 
> > with the classical tenants of Capitalism's markets.   
> > 
> > Furthermore, the point wasn't if it would "succeed", but if Capitalism's 
> > "free market" principles that you babble about even apply.  As was noted 
> > (but "snipped") is that Capitalism's market forces to reward/punish Linux
> > don't exist:  bad old crappy distro's can (& do!) hang around for years, 
> > capturing unwary perspective clients just like a ghost net kills fish, never
> > to be harvested by the fisherman.  
> > 
> > 
> > > You felt strongly-enough that the one leads to another, that you accused
> > > an honest man of lying.  That makes you an asshole, as well as an idiot.
> > 
> > Just who is this alleged "honest man"?  That can't be you, because those
> > accusations were substantiated, and an honest man doesn't lie.  
> > 
> >  
> > > You well-documented Photoshop lies also come quickly to mind.  From
> > > our entirely reasonable, value-based opinions, you concluded that we
> > > "globally reject it for all possible consumers", and that we have an
> > > "irrational hate" of it, which demonstrates an "unfortunate
> > > close-mindedness".
> > 
> > Never mind that I provided cites which showed that that was indeed the
> > claim which Linux advocates had made!  /S  
> > 
> > And that's not even counting Mister "70,000x better!".
> > 
> > 
> > > One of your biggest laughers was when you argued that Linux users are
> > > more likely to pirate Windows software than Windows users are.  
> > 
> > Got cite for that?  Because I don't recall it being comparative.  And that's
> > even before noting that your phrasing doesn't deny Linux pirates - just
> > that they're supposedly "not as bad".  
> > 
> > 
> > > The sole piece of evidence behind this piece of  "logic" was that Windows
> > > has "more & better software tools".  Err...  People who need those
> > > tools generally just run Windows.
> > 
> > False, for there was also the sales of Linux PCs in India, which then failed 
> > to show up in their usage stats.  
> >  
> > > How about your claim that Linux distros decling to spend the money 
> > > so that they may legally call their distro a "unix" "logically" results
> > > in a lack of "customer-centric expectations of quality assurance".
> > 
> > Some customers won't buy anything but certified Unix(TM) because of
> > the assurances to customers that certification reportedly affords.  And
> > since it isn't a freebee rubber stamp, very few (if any) Linux distributions
> > bother with it, and therefore do not compete in that marketplace. 
> >  
> > > How about your claim that using both Windows and Linux is a dilemma,
> > > akin to wanting to wanting to "have your cake and eat it too"?  Funny,
> > > I see no similarities in the two situations.
> > 
> > Because no Linux person ran Wine ever!  /S
> > 
> > 
> > > And on what basis did you conclude that "a healthy segment of the
> > > advocates" use Linux "merely that it is cheap (free)"?  Because it's
> > > not at all true, you know. 
> > 
> >  That's nice, but data trumps faith. 
> >  
> > As was just cited again last week, the research data found that iOS has a
> > higher income than Android.  Ditto for Mac vs PC, again in favor of Apple. 
> > There's also data that says that intelligence is a predictor of success, 
> > including income: 
> >  
> > <https://www.studyfinds.org/survey-iphone-owners-happier-more-money-friends-android/> 
> > 
> > <https://www.forbes.com/sites/adriankingsleyhughes/2012/06/26/mac-users-have-money-to-spare-says-orbitz/> 
> > <https://www.forbes.com/sites/quora/2015/09/16/is-iq-a-predictor-of-success/> 
> > <http://vaultfeed.com/study-finds-that-iphone-users-are-smarter-and-wealthier-then-samsung-users/> 
> > 
> > BTW, going by the first of these URL's (and the most recent), it found that 
> > the income of Apple (iOS) customers is 44% higher than of Linux (Android).   
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > -hh
> 
> 
> 
> BTW, I've already pointed out that his use of "herd" to describe true advocates is insulting, since he's likening them to Mac users. I don't know if there is a encumbered open source program to handle such tasks. Jonas Eklundh has yet to show how MATE does anything above the minimum on Linux. 
> 
> That is the problem now and less experienced educators don't care at all; people from earlier generations SHOULD know better than to fall for the New World agenda. And in retaliation you have nothing but a crack to start more flooding. 
> 
> 
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Having to suffer the use of System76 is not what most want to do. 

iOS runs on the System76 kernel. So yeah, System76 is mobile. System76 is a super computer. System76 is a server. System76 is a desktop. System76 is growing in market share. Everyone is Troll Master Steve Carroll -- the oldest gag in the book. Requesting Troll Master Steve Carroll to apologize, as fruitless as it is, is distinct from quoting his trolling. My bottom line was that honest people arrive here to assail trolls. It's not as if most do not know what this place is, Klaus Schadenfreude included. Pull up a background check on Troll Master Steve Carroll and you will see that he was in gaol last year. Anyone know what for? The online reports don't go into that degree of detail and public lists are private unless subpoenaed. No no hell no. He never agreed to stop flooding. He lied about his trolling and that was that. 

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#477052

On 11/12/18 10:37 AM, chrisv wrote:
> lying asshole "-hh" wrote:
> 
>> chrisv wrote:
>>> -hh wrote:
>>>> Not to be *too* smug...but it is ironic then that said “idiot” keeps on beating chrisv
>>>> such as by pointing out his logical fallacies.  (snipped, unread)
>>>
>>> Hahaha!!!  Look whose talking!  Didn't we recently see you "logically"
>>> make about a half-dozen incorrect conclusions, based-upon a photo of
>>> my shoes?
>>
>> No, just one.  (snipped, unread)
> 
> If you're going to lead-off your post with a lie, I'm going to stop
> reading it, -highhorse.
> 
> Just as in your previous post, claiming that you've pointed-out
> "logical fallaices" from me, which, of course, has never happened.
> 
> Back on planet Earth, I have documented your logical fallicies
> countless times.
> 
> Is critisizing some aspects of a product's design the same as saying
> that it will not succeed in the market, -highhorse?  You felt
> strongly-enough that the one leads to another, that you accused an
> honest man of lying.  That makes you an asshole, as well as an idiot.
> 
> You well-documented Photoshop lies also come quickly to mind.  From
> our entirely reasonable, value-based opinions, you concluded that we
> "globally reject it for all possible consumers", and that we have an
> "irrational hate" of it, which demonstrates an "unfortunate
> close-mindedness".
> 
> One of your biggest laughers was when you argued that Linux users are
> more likely to pirate Windows software than Windows users are.  The
> sole piece of evidence behind this piece of  "logic" was that Windows
> has "more & better software tools".  Err...  People who need those
> tools generally just run Windows.
> 
> How about your claim that Linux distros decling to spend the money so
> that they may legally call their distro a "unix" "logically" results
> in a lack of "customer-centric expectations of quality assurance".
> 
> How about your claim that using both Windows and Linux is a dilemma,
> akin to wanting to wanting to "have your cake and eat it too"?  Funny,
> I see no similarities in the two situations.
> 
> And on what basis did you conclude that "a healthy segment of the
> advocates" use Linux "merely that it is cheap (free)"?  Because it's
> not at all true, you know.  You just *constantly* at getting it wrong,
> -highhorse.
> 
> I could go on and on...
> 

Quotes! Context!

If you can back your claims this might be fun.

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#477090

On Monday, November 12, 2018 at 8:01:10 PM UTC-7, Snit wrote:
> On 11/12/18 10:37 AM, chrisv wrote:
> > lying asshole "-hh" wrote:
> > 
> >> chrisv wrote:
> >>> -hh wrote:
> >>>> Not to be *too* smug...but it is ironic then that said “idiot” keeps on beating chrisv
> >>>> such as by pointing out his logical fallacies.  (snipped, unread)
> >>>
> >>> Hahaha!!!  Look whose talking!  Didn't we recently see you "logically"
> >>> make about a half-dozen incorrect conclusions, based-upon a photo of
> >>> my shoes?
> >>
> >> No, just one.  (snipped, unread)
> > 
> > If you're going to lead-off your post with a lie, I'm going to stop
> > reading it, -highhorse.
> > 
> > Just as in your previous post, claiming that you've pointed-out
> > "logical fallaices" from me, which, of course, has never happened.
> > 
> > Back on planet Earth, I have documented your logical fallicies
> > countless times.
> > 
> > Is critisizing some aspects of a product's design the same as saying
> > that it will not succeed in the market, -highhorse?  You felt
> > strongly-enough that the one leads to another, that you accused an
> > honest man of lying.  That makes you an asshole, as well as an idiot.
> > 
> > You well-documented Photoshop lies also come quickly to mind.  From
> > our entirely reasonable, value-based opinions, you concluded that we
> > "globally reject it for all possible consumers", and that we have an
> > "irrational hate" of it, which demonstrates an "unfortunate
> > close-mindedness".
> > 
> > One of your biggest laughers was when you argued that Linux users are
> > more likely to pirate Windows software than Windows users are.  The
> > sole piece of evidence behind this piece of  "logic" was that Windows
> > has "more & better software tools".  Err...  People who need those
> > tools generally just run Windows.
> > 
> > How about your claim that Linux distros decling to spend the money so
> > that they may legally call their distro a "unix" "logically" results
> > in a lack of "customer-centric expectations of quality assurance".
> > 
> > How about your claim that using both Windows and Linux is a dilemma,
> > akin to wanting to wanting to "have your cake and eat it too"?  Funny,
> > I see no similarities in the two situations.
> > 
> > And on what basis did you conclude that "a healthy segment of the
> > advocates" use Linux "merely that it is cheap (free)"?  Because it's
> > not at all true, you know.  You just *constantly* at getting it wrong,
> > -highhorse.
> > 
> > I could go on and on...
> > 
> 
> Quotes! Context!
> 
> If you can back your claims this might be fun.
> 
> -- 
> Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They 
> cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel 
> somehow superior by attacking the messenger.
> 
> They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
> 
> <https://youtu.be/H4NW-Cqh308>



By being taught by 'experts' like that you get concepts like 'equal rights'. Carried to its (im)moral progression, the media position that it's 'gross' for a heterosexual human to not wish to marry a dead body is born. 

Snit can create a virtual machine. Of course that is not possible on anything but Linux! I am a total devotee of macOS, because that's where all the exciting ingenuity is happening. 

Being self-governed as it is, the email infrastructure will never go away but it'll never be known by the general public. 

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#476498

On Friday, November 9, 2018 at 3:48:39 PM UTC-5, chrisv wrote:
> -hh wrote:
> 
> > These read much more cautionary
> 
> Free advice:  Beware of "cautionary tales" from from people who think
> that they know better than the free market.  i.e. idiots

And free advice is worth what you paid for it too...especially when it
is coming from victim(s) of the Dunning-Kruger Effect, which are quite
readily identified by their constant dour grousing about 'fsking idiots.' /S


-hh

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#476503

On Friday, November 9, 2018 at 7:25:29 PM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
> On Friday, November 9, 2018 at 3:48:39 PM UTC-5, chrisv wrote:
> > -hh wrote:
> > 
> > > These read much more cautionary
> > 
> > Free advice:  Beware of "cautionary tales" from from people who think
> > that they know better than the free market.  i.e. idiots
> 
> And free advice is worth what you paid for it too...especially when it
> is coming from victim(s) of the Dunning-Kruger Effect, which are quite
> readily identified by their constant dour grousing about 'fsking idiots.' /S
> 
> 
> -hh



Perhaps you use it incorrectly. Do you not comprehend the use of encryption? 

I bet ronB thinks his wife's life was hard. 

ronB would have to be suffering from intense madness to be unsure of whether or not he "never had" built a website with Klaus Schadenfreude. Gee, who could it be? When a guy can't keep his lies straight and exercises bogus, face saving garbage later, it's extremely obvious what his ploy is. Sandman trolls ronB. Here is a list of names Jonas Eklundh has admitted he attributes to ronB "Cactus Pete", "Donald", "Donald Miller", "Horace McSwain", "Hymen", "meat", "Mike Weaver", "Modena IV Drid", "Omar Murad Asfour", "Rhino Plastee", "Soapy", "SopwithCamel", "Sunny Day", "Takuya Saitoh", "The Letter Q", "tmelmosfire", "zevon". And the herd is stupid enough to believe him. 

Contrary to ronB's claim that he has "no experience in making enemies" (a lie as illustrated by the fact that he hacked Klaus Schadenfreude's Gmail account) he was quoted asking programmers how they would take down a website. 

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#476408

On 11/9/18 9:41 AM, chrisv wrote:
> nobody wrote:
> 
>> (snip)
> 
> There was nothing in there about Linux advocacy.
> 
> There was some anti-choice idiocy.
> 
> There was some stuff about fictional "zealots".  I have never
> encountered such people as described.  If they exist, they must be
> extraordinarily rare.
> 
> It finished-off with a ridiculous assertion that fictional "zealots"
> have somehow given Linux a bad name.
> 
> Of course, the reality is that freedom and choice have given Linux a
> great name.
> 

If you were sincere about what you say you would not have snipped the 
comments. You demonstrate fear of them.

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#476411

On 11/9/18 9:04 AM, nobody wrote:
> On Fri, 09 Nov 2018 08:37:25 -0600, chrisv wrote:
> 
> snipped unread.
> 
> Here is the text from the article.
> 
> http://naturalhealthperspective.com/web/linux/Linux-zealots-adversely-desktop.html
> 
> Linux Zealots Are Adversely Affecting the Success of the Linux Desktop
> Zealots have given the Linux® desktop a bad name. Moderation is critical to
> every worthwhile endeavor. All zealots always manage to take an extreme
> position, and are, therefore, always wrong.
> 
> The extremes of any position are always incorrect. The correct approach
> will always be found somewhere in the middle of both possible extreme
> positions. Windows zealots claim that Microsoft Windows can do no wrong.
> Linux zealots claim that having Linux distros that are extremely diverse
> and incompatible with each other is a highly desirable feature of Linux.
> 
> Just because you can, does not mean that you should. Just because a person
> likes to use a Linux desktop does NOT mean that they should advocate hatred
> and exclusion against those who do not.

Absolutely agreed. I use Linux, macOS, and Windows... and each has pros 
and cons. These stupid religious wars are insane.

> Linux Software Restriction Can Be Good
> Linux zealots have given the Linux desktop a bad name.
> In this stunt, Richard Stallman presents himself as Saint Ignucius of the
> Church of Emacs (Oslo, Norway, 2009).
> Just because you feel like it, does not mean that you should. Just because
> you physically can murder someone does not mean that you should kill
> people.
> 
> All Linux DE Distros Conforming To Certain Minimal Standards Would Be A
> Good Thing
> Just because you can change an apple pie recipe, does not mean that you
> should. Not all cooks are master chefs. Some chefs know what they are
> doing, while others are hopelessly inept. Too much salt will make your
> apple pie taste terrible. Leave out the apples and you wont end up with an
> apple pie.

We see this a lot in COLA, people who think that having 1,000 choices 
for their GUI, for example, makes them a GUI expert and allows them to 
understand how all those choices work together to increase or decrease 
productivity and even enjoyment of the system.

The end result is they HAVE to spend a lot of time to even understand 
what these features are and how to get to them, AND they end up making 
less than optimal choices.

On the other side, systems such as macOS or Windows which are based on a 
lot of research and community feedback can go too far in not offering 
customization which would be beneficial to a SPECIFIC person.

Both ways have pros and cons.

> Just because you can change a Linux distro, does not mean that you should.
> Not all programmers are equal. Amateur teenage programmers are pervasive in
> far too many minor Linux DE distros. Teenagers in general cannot deal with
> the concepts of no, programming standards, and good programming style. They
> think that they know everything, yet know absolutely nothing about issues
> that concern most academically trained and seasoned programmers.[1],[6],[7]
> Have you ever met a teenage programmer who did not think that they were
> awesome geniuses? These know it all teenagers view any criticism of their
> horrible programming styles as a restriction upon their software freedoms.
> Yeah, that loudmouth obnoxious creature giving you so much grief on the
> Web, often turns out to be just a snot nose teenager.

Or one of the "herd" members. :)

> Just because you can change a text editor[2] program, does not mean that
> you should. You can make a change to a program that introduces a new bug.
> Make the wrong program change. And, your program just might stop working.
> The gedit text editor[3] developers once upon a time achieved perfection.
> They however kept on making changes to the point where the result in the
> eyes of many was horrible. That could be why the Pluma text editor[4] was
> started in order to restore the glory that once belonged to gedit.

Reminds me of Owl with his sc work. He shows no signs of understanding 
the dangers of what he does. For his own use that is fine, but he 
presents it as stable and usable by people who would actually make use 
of the rows and columns he added.

> Just because you can change a desktop GUI, does not mean that you should.
> The Gnome[5] desktop environment is a great example. Many believed that
> perfection was obtained in Gnome 2. Nevertheless, as all Linux zealots like
> to do the Gnome developers kept on making changes in Gnome 3, which in the
> opinion of many were horrible.
> 
> Just because you can do anything with a Linux distro or application, does
> not mean that you should. There appears to be a few Linux distros and open
> source programs out there that cater to the criminal element. A few Linux
> hackers would like to be able to muck around with Web sites in both privacy
> and safety. Just because you can does not mean that you should.
> 
> Just because you can create Linux distros that are incompatible with each
> other, does not mean that you should. Linux zealots refuse in their zeal to
> consider the viewpoints of other people, such as computer hardware
> manufacturers and application developers, for example. While Linux Zealots
> often crave extremely diverse distros, manufacturers of computer hardware
> and application developers crave conformity. Why should any commercial
> company ever choose to support Linux when so many distros are incompatible
> with each other? While Linux distros can be different superficially, at
> certain fundamental levels all Linux distributions should confirm to each
> other. Otherwise, computer manufacturers, application developers, and major
> corporations will continue to refuse to support Linux.

Say I wrote a great program... I make a Windows version and a macOS 
version. Should I then make a version that fits in with the KDE UI? The 
GNOME UI?

> Richard Stallman as the Original Linux Zealot
> 
> In the above video you can see Richard Stallman's mind numbing avalanche of
> verbiage in action. While he does make some good philosophical points, it
> is very easy to get lost in his nonsense. Notice how he calls all distros,
> GNU/Linux. Notice how he claims that most of them are ethically flawed and
> impure. Ubuntu Linux just happens to be the 3rd most popular distribution
> of Linux, currently available.

He wants fame. He wants to push his ideas of sexual harassment and abuse 
of minors as being acceptable.

> Never forget that it is a working Linux distro, like Ubuntu, that can give
> new life to your computers rather than Stallman's lofty software freedom
> ideas. There is absolutely no freedom offered by dead computer hardware
> that remains a pile of junk on your desk without a working Linux DE distro
> installed on it.
> How wrong can these Linux zealots be? Linux zealots are directly
> responsible for the Linux desktop failing to be accepted in the
> marketplace.

Their refusal to speak of the weaknesses holds it back. No doubt.

> Who is a Linux zealot? A Linux zealot is any Linux person who insists upon
> doing something with Linux, even though they clearly should not, just
> because they can. Linux zealots cannot deal with "no." A Linux zealot
> always ends up taking an extreme position, and refuses in their religious
> like zeal to compromise. Because of the unchecked proliferation of Linux
> zealots, the entire Linux desktop environment community is suffering. Why
> should a Linux zealot be different from any other zealot? Linux zealots are
> not different. Zealots never compromise and they never consider the view
> points of other people. Thus, they are always wrong. The extreme extremism
> of Linux zealots have given the Linux desktop a bad name.

Absolutely correct.


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#476389 — Too many of the Linux Supporters in COLA are total fruits

On Friday, November 9, 2018 at 9:37:28 AM UTC-5, chrisv wrote:
> Linux-haters come-across as losers, amazingly stupid and shitty.  Only
> other idiots are fooled by their "there's too much choice" arguments.
> 
> Anyone who cares knows the real reasons why M$ has retained control of
> the (declining) desktop market, and that it's got nothing to do with
> the quality or value of their products.  They also know why M$ fails
> in every market where they cannot leverage their desktop monopoly.



Too many of the Linux Supporters in COLA, like fr31 and Russell, are total fruits for any here to care, Paco!

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#476399 — Re: Too many of the Linux Supporters in COLA are total fruits

On Friday, November 9, 2018 at 9:23:37 AM UTC-7, Simon bar Sinister wrote:
> On Friday, November 9, 2018 at 9:37:28 AM UTC-5, chrisv wrote:
> > Linux-haters come-across as losers, amazingly stupid and shitty.  Only
> > other idiots are fooled by their "there's too much choice" arguments.
> > 
> > Anyone who cares knows the real reasons why M$ has retained control of
> > the (declining) desktop market, and that it's got nothing to do with
> > the quality or value of their products.  They also know why M$ fails
> > in every market where they cannot leverage their desktop monopoly.
> 
> 
> 
> Too many of the Linux Supporters in COLA, like fr31 and Russell, are total fruits for any here to care, Paco!



What is the world coming to when a Troll Master Steve Carroll flood post can not get any responses? What Wayland looks like matters little and of no concern, especially if it's FOSS. If Troll Master Steve Carroll calls being busted using socks day in and day out by everyone (and completely ruining his reputation and any reason for me to give credence to anything he has to say - for the rest of time) good 'trolling', then whatever... he is a fine troll. I do not personally subscribe to that view, I use another term. I call that person an out-and-out peabrain. 

Ha! Right, Troll Master Steve Carroll is seeking to market a WordPress reference, which Sandman can get from torrent sites, that I taught myself. If he wasn't so lost he would figure out how ignorant he looks ;) 

I think the point is more than to get Sandman to listen to him. The point is likely to piss me off for trolling outside groups he knows I frequent. 



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#476894 — Too many of the Linux Supporters in COLA are total Linux fruits for anyone here to care

On Friday, November 9, 2018 at 9:37:28 AM UTC-5, chrisv wrote:
> Linux-haters come-across as losers, amazingly stupid and shitty.  Only
> other idiots are fooled by their "there's too much choice" arguments.
> 
> Anyone who cares knows the real reasons why M$ has retained control of
> the (declining) desktop market, and that it's got nothing to do with
> the quality or value of their products.  They also know why M$ fails
> in every market where they cannot leverage their desktop monopoly.





Too many of the Linux Supporters in COLA, like fr31 and Russell, are total Linux fruits for anyone here to care, Paco! 

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