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Kernel 4.19

Started byMelzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com>
First post2018-09-02 06:43 +0000
Last post2018-09-04 07:21 -0700
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  Kernel 4.19 Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2018-09-02 06:43 +0000
    Re: Kernel 4.19 Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-09-02 00:01 -0700
      Re: Kernel 4.19 Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-09-02 07:33 -0700
    Re: Kernel 4.19 Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-09-02 02:53 -0700
    Re: Kernel 4.19 "F. Russell" <fr@random.info> - 2018-09-02 12:34 +0000
      Re: Kernel 4.19 Nobody you know <nobody@nowhere.com> - 2018-09-02 10:36 -0400
        Re: Kernel 4.19 Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-09-02 07:49 -0700
          Re: Kernel 4.19 Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-09-02 13:31 -0700
      Re: Kernel 4.19 Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2018-09-02 19:23 +0000
        Re: Kernel 4.19 Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-09-02 12:44 -0700
        Re: Kernel 4.19 Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-09-02 13:50 -0700
          Re: Kernel 4.19 Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2018-09-02 21:13 +0000
            Re: Kernel 4.19 Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-09-02 14:33 -0700
            Re: Kernel 4.19 vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2018-09-02 21:52 +0000
              Re: Kernel 4.19 Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2018-09-02 21:58 +0000
                Re: Kernel 4.19 Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-09-02 15:33 -0700
                  Re: Kernel 4.19 Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2018-09-02 22:41 +0000
                    Re: Kernel 4.19 Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2018-09-02 19:07 -0400
                      Re: Kernel 4.19 Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-09-02 19:29 -0700
                      Re: Kernel 4.19 chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-09-04 07:33 -0500
                        Re: Kernel 4.19 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-09-04 06:37 -0700
                          Re: Kernel 4.19 Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-09-04 06:40 -0700
                          Re: Kernel 4.19 William Barnes <idonthvanemaildou@mail.com> - 2018-09-04 10:05 -0400
                            Re: Kernel 4.19 chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-09-04 09:14 -0500
                            Re: Kernel 4.19 SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-09-04 15:58 +0000
                              Re: Kernel 4.19 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-09-04 11:48 -0700
                                Re: Kernel 4.19 William Barnes <idonthvanemaildou@mail.com> - 2018-09-04 18:59 -0400
                                  Re: Kernel 4.19 Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-09-04 16:21 -0700
                                  Re: Kernel 4.19 RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2018-09-04 23:49 +0000
                                    Re: Kernel 4.19 Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-09-04 17:08 -0700
                                    Re: Kernel 4.19 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-09-04 17:24 -0700
                                      Re: Kernel 4.19 Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-09-04 17:54 -0700
                                      Re: Kernel 4.19 William Barnes <idonthvanemaildou@mail.com> - 2018-09-04 22:26 -0400
                                        Re: Kernel 4.19 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-09-04 21:39 -0700
                                          Re: Kernel 4.19 Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-09-04 22:03 -0700
                                        Re: Kernel 4.19 chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-09-05 07:03 -0500
                                          Re: Kernel 4.19 chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-09-05 07:09 -0500
                                          Re: Kernel 4.19 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-09-05 07:36 -0700
                                            Re: Kernel 4.19 Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-09-05 07:55 -0700
                                        Re: Kernel 4.19 SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-09-05 16:47 +0000
                                          crApple products chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-09-05 12:15 -0500
                                            Re: crApple products SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-09-06 01:03 +0000
                                              Re: crApple products Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-09-05 18:20 -0700
                                              Re: crApple products Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-09-06 07:17 -0700
                                              Re: crApple products chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-09-06 09:47 -0500
                                                Re: crApple products Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-09-06 08:06 -0700
                                                Re: crApple products Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-09-06 14:36 -0700
                                                  Re: crApple products Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-09-06 14:51 -0700
                                            Re: crApple products Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-09-05 21:30 -0700
                                            Re: crApple products DFS <nospam@nospam.com> - 2018-09-06 12:44 -0400
                                              Re: crApple products Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-09-06 11:28 -0700
                                              Re: crApple products Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-09-06 14:35 -0700
                                            Re: crApple products RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2018-09-06 23:57 +0000
                                              Re: crApple products SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-09-07 00:17 +0000
                                                Re: crApple products William Barnes <idonthvanemaildou@mail.com> - 2018-09-06 21:25 -0400
                                                  Re: crApple products RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2018-09-07 03:51 +0000
                                                    Re: crApple products Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-09-06 22:00 -0700
                                                    Re: crApple products SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-09-07 20:44 +0000
                                                      Re: crApple products RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2018-09-07 23:15 +0000
                                                        Re: crApple products SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-09-07 23:34 +0000
                                                          Re: crApple products William Barnes <idonthvanemaildou@mail.com> - 2018-09-07 19:42 -0400
                                                        Re: crApple products Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-09-08 09:11 -0700
                                                      Re: crApple products Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-09-07 18:43 -0700
                                                  Re: crApple products SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-09-07 20:40 +0000
                                                    Re: crApple products William Barnes <idonthvanemaildou@mail.com> - 2018-09-07 17:53 -0400
                                                      Re: crApple products RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2018-09-07 23:12 +0000
                                                        Re: crApple products William Barnes <idonthvanemaildou@mail.com> - 2018-09-07 19:20 -0400
                                                          Re: crApple products Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-09-08 09:22 -0700
                                                          Re: crApple products RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2018-09-08 21:21 +0000
                                                            Re: crApple products SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-09-08 21:39 +0000
                                                              Re: crApple products Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-09-08 14:56 -0700
                                                                Re: crApple products Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-09-08 23:55 -0700
                                                              Re: crApple products Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-09-09 09:12 -0700
                                                                Re: crApple products Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-09-09 09:32 -0700
                                                                Re: crApple products "F. Russell" <fr@random.info> - 2018-09-09 21:37 +0000
                                                                  Re: crApple products Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-09-09 14:47 -0700
                                                                    Re: crApple products "F. Russell" <fr@random.info> - 2018-09-09 22:12 +0000
                                                                      Re: crApple products Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-09-09 15:29 -0700
                                                                        Re: crApple products Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-09-09 15:47 -0700
                                                                        Re: crApple products "F. Russell" <fr@random.info> - 2018-09-09 22:48 +0000
                                                                          Re: crApple products Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-09-09 15:57 -0700
                                                                            Re: crApple products "F. Russell" <fr@random.info> - 2018-09-09 23:26 +0000
                                                                        Re: crApple products Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-09-09 16:00 -0700
                                                                          Re: crApple products Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-09-09 16:50 -0700
                                                                      Re: crApple products Lenny Dignman <dingmansferryboat3@dingman.org> - 2018-09-09 19:43 -0400
                                                                        Re: crApple products Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-09-09 17:05 -0700
                                                                        "Gain" is the _ input volume. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2018-09-09 18:57 -0700
                                                                          Re: "Gain" is the _ input volume. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-09-09 19:26 -0700
                                                            Re: crApple products Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-09-08 14:53 -0700
                                                              Re: crApple products Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-09-08 15:04 -0700
                                                              Re: crApple products Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-09-08 15:19 -0700
                                                      Re: crApple products SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-09-07 23:28 +0000
                                                        Re: crApple products William Barnes <idonthvanemaildou@mail.com> - 2018-09-07 19:39 -0400
                                                          Re: crApple products SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-09-08 14:06 +0000
                                                            Re: crApple products Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-09-08 09:39 -0700
                                                        Re: crApple products Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-09-08 09:29 -0700
                                                      Re: crApple products Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-09-08 09:10 -0700
                                                    Re: crApple products Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-09-07 18:42 -0700
                                                Re: crApple products Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-09-06 21:52 -0700
                                          Re: Kernel 4.19 Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-09-05 10:15 -0700
                                          Re: Kernel 4.19 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-09-05 21:29 -0700
                                      Re: Kernel 4.19 Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-09-04 21:47 -0700
                                    Re: Kernel 4.19 SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-09-05 16:44 +0000
                                      Re: Kernel 4.19 Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-09-05 09:59 -0700
                                      Re: Kernel 4.19 William Barnes <idonthvanemaildou@mail.com> - 2018-09-05 13:34 -0400
                                        Re: Kernel 4.19 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-09-05 21:31 -0700
                                          Re: Kernel 4.19 William Barnes <idonthvanemaildou@mail.com> - 2018-09-06 08:13 -0400
                                            Re: Kernel 4.19 SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-09-06 12:42 +0000
                                              Re: Kernel 4.19 Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-09-06 06:00 -0700
                                              Re: Kernel 4.19 William Barnes <idonthvanemaildou@mail.com> - 2018-09-06 09:06 -0400
                                                Re: Kernel 4.19 Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-09-06 06:33 -0700
                                                Re: Kernel 4.19 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-09-06 07:30 -0700
                                                Re: Kernel 4.19 William Poaster <noemail@lutenorg.com> - 2018-09-06 23:23 +0000
                                                  Re: Kernel 4.19 SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-09-06 23:48 +0000
                                                    Re: Kernel 4.19 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-09-06 21:51 -0700
                                                  Re: Kernel 4.19 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-09-06 21:50 -0700
                                              Re: Kernel 4.19 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-09-06 07:26 -0700
                                                Re: Kernel 4.19 Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-09-06 07:51 -0700
                                              Re: Kernel 4.19 Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2018-09-06 22:39 +0200
                                                Re: Kernel 4.19 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-09-06 13:54 -0700
                                                Re: Kernel 4.19 Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-09-06 14:05 -0700
                                                Re: Kernel 4.19 William Barnes <idonthvanemaildou@mail.com> - 2018-09-06 18:26 -0400
                                                  Re: Kernel 4.19 Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-09-06 15:53 -0700
                                                Re: Kernel 4.19 SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-09-06 23:26 +0000
                                                  Re: Kernel 4.19 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-09-06 21:50 -0700
                                                Re: Kernel 4.19 William Poaster <noemail@lutenorg.com> - 2018-09-06 23:29 +0000
                                                  Re: Kernel 4.19 William Barnes <idonthvanemaildou@mail.com> - 2018-09-06 19:39 -0400
                                                    Re: Kernel 4.19 William Poaster <noemail@lutenorg.com> - 2018-09-06 23:47 +0000
                                                      Re: Kernel 4.19 Lenny Dignman <dingmansferryboat3@dingman.org> - 2018-09-06 19:50 -0400
                                                        Re: Kernel 4.19 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-09-06 21:52 -0700
                                                      Re: Kernel 4.19 Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-09-06 17:26 -0700
                                                  Re: Kernel 4.19 SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-09-06 23:48 +0000
                                                    Re: Kernel 4.19 Lenny Dignman <dingmansferryboat3@dingman.org> - 2018-09-06 19:53 -0400
                                                    Re: Kernel 4.19 Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-09-06 17:10 -0700
                                                    Re: Kernel 4.19 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-09-06 21:51 -0700
                                                  Re: Kernel 4.19 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-09-06 21:51 -0700
                                            Re: Kernel 4.19 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-09-06 07:22 -0700
                                      Re: Kernel 4.19 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-09-05 21:29 -0700
                                  Re: Kernel 4.19 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-09-04 16:54 -0700
                            Re: Kernel 4.19 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-09-04 11:25 -0700
                              Re: Kernel 4.19 Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-09-04 11:54 -0700
                            Re: Kernel 4.19 RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2018-09-04 23:46 +0000
                              Re: Kernel 4.19 DFS <nospam@nospam.com> - 2018-09-07 10:58 -0400
                                Re: Kernel 4.19 fr314159@gmail.com - 2018-09-07 09:16 -0700
                                Re: Kernel 4.19 SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-09-07 20:50 +0000
                                  Re: Kernel 4.19 RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2018-09-07 23:16 +0000
                                    Re: Kernel 4.19 SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-09-07 23:35 +0000
                                      Re: Kernel 4.19 William Barnes <idonthvanemaildou@mail.com> - 2018-09-07 19:44 -0400
                                        Re: Kernel 4.19 SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-09-08 14:07 +0000
                                          Re: Kernel 4.19 Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2018-09-08 14:14 +0000
                                            Re: Kernel 4.19 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-09-08 10:06 -0700
                                          Re: Kernel 4.19 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-09-08 09:39 -0700
                                          Re: Kernel 4.19 chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-09-10 07:25 -0500
                                            Re: Kernel 4.19 Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-09-10 05:53 -0700
                                            Re: Kernel 4.19 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-09-10 06:37 -0700
                                            Re: Kernel 4.19 SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-09-10 15:45 +0000
                                              Re: Kernel 4.19 chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-09-10 11:05 -0500
                                                Re: Kernel 4.19 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-09-10 12:46 -0700
                                                Re: Kernel 4.19 SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-09-10 23:25 +0000
                                              Re: Kernel 4.19 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-09-10 12:23 -0700
                                      Re: Kernel 4.19 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-09-08 09:32 -0700
                  Re: Kernel 4.19 "F. Russell" <fr@random.info> - 2018-09-02 22:48 +0000
                    Re: Kernel 4.19 Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2018-09-02 22:57 +0000
                    Re: Kernel 4.19 Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-09-02 16:27 -0700
              Re: Kernel 4.19 Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-09-02 15:20 -0700
            Re: Kernel 4.19 Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2018-09-02 19:06 -0400
              Re: Kernel 4.19 Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-09-02 17:56 -0700
          Re: Kernel 4.19 Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-09-02 14:17 -0700
        Re: Kernel 4.19 Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2018-09-02 19:05 -0400
        Frankly, I don't notice [any] difference [in the Kernel] Simon bar Sinister <john.h.gohde@gmail.com> - 2018-09-04 07:21 -0700

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#465814

FromSnit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>
Date2018-09-04 06:37 -0700
Message-ID<fv7g4fF4q6U3@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#465804
On 9/4/18 5:33 AM, chrisv wrote:
> Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
> 
>> Melzzzzz wrote:
>>>
>>> Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> JS has more than its share of warts but they can be avoided. This is like
>>>> Php, which has also been called crap because there's been so much
>>>> garbage code written in it... any language can be misused.
>>>
>>> Exactly. That is why it is bad idea to run it in browser. Heck, M$ had
>>> even better idea: download binary from internet and run it on local
>>> machine ;)
>>
>> How'd that work out?  :-D
> 
> It worked-out quite well!  M$ is, of course, so much better at their
> jobs than everyone else on the planet, that they *deserve* nintey
> fscking percent of the desktop market.
> 
> According to the "logic" of trolling idiots, anyway.

If you want desktop Linux to compete better help it improve instead of 
making excuses for it.


-- 
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They 
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel 
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

<https://youtu.be/H4NW-Cqh308>

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#465815

FromSteve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com>
Date2018-09-04 06:40 -0700
Message-ID<7a114f23-5c48-4dd7-826d-d3251af003bb@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#465814
On Tuesday, September 4, 2018 at 6:37:22 AM UTC-7, Snit wrote:
> On 9/4/18 5:33 AM, chrisv wrote:
> > Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
> > 
> >> Melzzzzz wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> JS has more than its share of warts but they can be avoided. This is like
> >>>> Php, which has also been called crap because there's been so much
> >>>> garbage code written in it... any language can be misused.
> >>>
> >>> Exactly. That is why it is bad idea to run it in browser. Heck, M$ had
> >>> even better idea: download binary from internet and run it on local
> >>> machine ;)
> >>
> >> How'd that work out?  :-D
> > 
> > It worked-out quite well!  M$ is, of course, so much better at their
> > jobs than everyone else on the planet, that they *deserve* nintey
> > fscking percent of the desktop market.
> > 
> > According to the "logic" of trolling idiots, anyway.
> 
> If you want desktop Linux to compete better help it improve instead of 
> making excuses for it.
> 
> 
> -- 
> Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They 
> cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel 
> somehow superior by attacking the messenger.
> 
> They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
> 
> <https://youtu.be/H4NW-Cqh308>



I shall not ask chrisv how any part of RonB's body tastes no matter how many times chrisv licks it. 

And given how regularly it is clear that chrisv's post is some skew of  an observation RonB made which had been a beating on chrisv for something he did which was crazy/wrong/etc... its undoubtedly a common gesture of chrisv's lingering butthurt for having been so often humiliated: chrisv is demonstrably incapable of facing his own actions. Lots of advocates keep responding to chrisv. To be honest, I can not denounce RonB for his hissy fit but I can not understand why he posts here at all. RonB is expecting dialog as found in a non-trolling environment and advocacy environments simply suck for that. Lots of jerks are now talking about the Arch Linux "desktop" as if something like that even potentially could happen. I could respond to chrisv at once but he is a blockhead who distorts your words to implement his desire to call everyone a cheat. 

chrisv's toned down the hundreds of self promoting, insane threads he used to create but he's surely not much different in the morality dept. He uses socks more to create those attacks. Did he think that was clever? 

--
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#465820

FromWilliam Barnes <idonthvanemaildou@mail.com>
Date2018-09-04 10:05 -0400
Message-ID<fv7hp0FfejU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#465814
On Tue, 4 Sep 2018 06:37:19 -0700, Snit wrote:

> On 9/4/18 5:33 AM, chrisv wrote:
>> Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>> 
>>> Melzzzzz wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> JS has more than its share of warts but they can be avoided. This is like
>>>>> Php, which has also been called crap because there's been so much
>>>>> garbage code written in it... any language can be misused.
>>>>
>>>> Exactly. That is why it is bad idea to run it in browser. Heck, M$ had
>>>> even better idea: download binary from internet and run it on local
>>>> machine ;)
>>>
>>> How'd that work out?  :-D
>> 
>> It worked-out quite well!  M$ is, of course, so much better at their
>> jobs than everyone else on the planet, that they *deserve* nintey
>> fscking percent of the desktop market.
>> 
>> According to the "logic" of trolling idiots, anyway.
> 
> If you want desktop Linux to compete better help it improve instead of 
> making excuses for it.

Where do you feel Linux is lacking?
Be specific and market share != lacking.

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#465822

Fromchrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid>
Date2018-09-04 09:14 -0500
Message-ID<ko4todh9b1nbskn03508eormhk08c0p8d9@4ax.com>
In reply to#465820
William Barnes wrote:

>On Tue, 4 Sep 2018 06:37:19 -0700, Snit wrote:

*plonk*

-- 
'The results (http://tinyurl.com/DumFSck) from last year prove, once
again, that "choice!" isn't nearly as important to Linux users as
(chrisv) and RonG and others claim it is.'  -  DumFSck, lying
shamelessly

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#465838

FromSilverSlimer <silver@slim.er>
Date2018-09-04 15:58 +0000
Message-ID<wYxjD.22647$3L2.15681@fx44.iad>
In reply to#465820
On Tue, 04 Sep 2018 10:05:19 -0400, William Barnes wrote:

> On Tue, 4 Sep 2018 06:37:19 -0700, Snit wrote:
> 
>> On 9/4/18 5:33 AM, chrisv wrote:
>>> Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Melzzzzz wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> JS has more than its share of warts but they can be avoided. This
>>>>>> is like Php, which has also been called crap because there's been
>>>>>> so much garbage code written in it... any language can be misused.
>>>>>
>>>>> Exactly. That is why it is bad idea to run it in browser. Heck, M$
>>>>> had even better idea: download binary from internet and run it on
>>>>> local machine ;)
>>>>
>>>> How'd that work out?  :-D
>>> 
>>> It worked-out quite well!  M$ is, of course, so much better at their
>>> jobs than everyone else on the planet, that they *deserve* nintey
>>> fscking percent of the desktop market.
>>> 
>>> According to the "logic" of trolling idiots, anyway.
>> 
>> If you want desktop Linux to compete better help it improve instead of
>> making excuses for it.
> 
> Where do you feel Linux is lacking?
> Be specific and market share != lacking.

I'll be the first to say that it might have lacked in the past but now 
provides a pretty stellar experience.



-- 
SilverSlimer
FSF Contributor / EFF Member / Free speech advocate
Absolute centrist, proud Catholic

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#465858

FromSnit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>
Date2018-09-04 11:48 -0700
Message-ID<fv82btF3qr4U1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#465838
On 9/4/18 8:58 AM, SilverSlimer wrote:
> On Tue, 04 Sep 2018 10:05:19 -0400, William Barnes wrote:
> 
>> On Tue, 4 Sep 2018 06:37:19 -0700, Snit wrote:
>>
>>> On 9/4/18 5:33 AM, chrisv wrote:
>>>> Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Melzzzzz wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> JS has more than its share of warts but they can be avoided. This
>>>>>>> is like Php, which has also been called crap because there's been
>>>>>>> so much garbage code written in it... any language can be misused.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Exactly. That is why it is bad idea to run it in browser. Heck, M$
>>>>>> had even better idea: download binary from internet and run it on
>>>>>> local machine ;)
>>>>>
>>>>> How'd that work out?  :-D
>>>>
>>>> It worked-out quite well!  M$ is, of course, so much better at their
>>>> jobs than everyone else on the planet, that they *deserve* nintey
>>>> fscking percent of the desktop market.
>>>>
>>>> According to the "logic" of trolling idiots, anyway.
>>>
>>> If you want desktop Linux to compete better help it improve instead of
>>> making excuses for it.
>>
>> Where do you feel Linux is lacking?
>> Be specific and market share != lacking.
> 
> I'll be the first to say that it might have lacked in the past but now
> provides a pretty stellar experience.
> 
> 
> 
Would love to see you revisit some of the past tasks that have been 
talked about. Here is my list... and notice in some Linux does show 
itself well. In others, not so much.

* From a single online recipe (or art project, lesson plan, online map,
whatever) save and email a PDF version with annotations. Now I know this
can be done on Linux; save, open, annotate, email. Just curious to see
how you people would generally do it and how streamlined the workflow
would be. A couple ways I might: <https://youtu.be/NPM_WldEBs0>.

* Make a screencast with cursor replacement / resizing (post
production), window highlighting, zooming, arbitrary area highlighting.
For me these were done just to show something else:
<https://youtu.be/aSNpnYpmKag>. I have many other options but picked
these because they fit the real-world example I did shortly before
coming up with the task.

* From an image of a forest, automate creation of lines showing borders 
of where the trees are. Example of what I was able to do here: 
<http://imgur.com/a/xdOpx>. No solution was shown for Linux.

* Getting a WayBackArchive page and getting images of all links, the
HTML validation and CSS validation from W3.org, and a active link to
the archive page, as I did here (does not have to look the exact same,
of course):
<http://tmp.gallopinginsanity.com/sandman/sandman-archive.pdf>.

* Starting with a spreadsheet 3D chart, have it be animated, including
with the top range expanding as needed and a color change with the
bar. More details here: <http://tmp.gallopinginsanity.com/bar512>
(also shows Owl's solution). Marek tried but gave up and tried on a 
competing system. And still failed.

* Make a video with an image appears to stay still even as the video
bounces some, and have the image disappear in a come-and-go fashion
sort of like seen on Doctor Who, and add multiple layers of sound. My
end result here: <https://youtu.be/jYqMGjGiqHg>.

* Write a script that monitors VPN connections: if the connection 
terminates the applications using that connection also terminate. Also 
have the script detect apps not wanted to go over the VPN and end the 
connection when appropriate. Challenge from Marek -- few took it on, but 
Marek says he pays about $2000/year for VPN services, so makes sense why 
others have not done it! I did end up with a VPN service and once I had 
that the challenge was pretty trivial: <https://youtu.be/CSJ_NgWE_ro>. 
There are, of course, much better ways to achieve the goals Marek states.

* Do a search for a number of names (or other terms) and each letter of
the alphabet to see suggested searches are for each letter. My results
are here: <https://youtu.be/QmUPMhiyIKE>. Owl also presented a solution
for Linux (lost the link but it worked). Peter Köhlmann failed to
recognize it as a repetitive / scripting challenge and thought it was
about special search results per OS. Weird.

* Create a bunch of folders as a general user would (GUI and no
scripting) <https://youtu.be/r-Web_U_HeU>. Nobody else in COLA
provided a solution: both Owl and Marek showed scripts (they could not
find a good method).

* Download as PDFs all the recipes from the homepage of allrecipes.com
(Owl is the one who suggested this). Here is one of several versions I
did: <https://youtu.be/_J4PppWroWY>. Mine not only worked, but the PDF
had selectable text and allowed me to do quick searches on ingredients
and the like... something Owl was never able to do on Linux. Worked so
well that he and Peter Köhlmann insisted it must have been faked.

* Owl created a similar challenge: script multiple-folder creation and
include some questions. Owl's solution: <https://vid.me/BjHo>. Snit's
solution: <https://youtu.be/ZIm1-X-ZugM>.

* Owl's: Open terminal windows with colors to match the current
background image, but which are not the same as each other. Owl created
52K launchers which are tied to colors, and then selects a launcher
(color) manually with the idea this let him avoid manually selecting
colors (?!): <https://vid.me/Ifdo>. I automated my solution -- can use
exact colors from images or approximate for more variability (and sets
text color based on brightness), fully automated -- video shows creation
of 50 with changing background: <http://youtu.be/B5pQlJNWnWM>

* Rename / move an open word processor file:
Snit's <https://youtu.be/7BnKhLuW8nM?t=32s> (quick and elegant)
Owl's: <http://youtu.be/W15g0TwA_E0> (leads to loss of data!)

* This was specifically for Owl (something I do not do often). I 
challenged Owl that I can "show" anything in Numbers that he can show SC 
doing. Owl showed this: <https://vid.me/Kf0cq>. I showed the same thing, 
but in Numbers: <https://youtu.be/ho18yLx_HIg>. This was clearly a 
sucker's bet... just having some fun given how Owl had been playing word 
games and showing deep insecurity over SC not being able to do what 
Numbers can, even though they hardly overlap in their capabilities 
(other than to both be spreadsheets).

-- 
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They 
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel 
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

<https://youtu.be/H4NW-Cqh308>

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#465879

FromWilliam Barnes <idonthvanemaildou@mail.com>
Date2018-09-04 18:59 -0400
Message-ID<fv8h1lF6nhnU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#465858
On Tue, 4 Sep 2018 11:48:29 -0700, Snit wrote:

> On 9/4/18 8:58 AM, SilverSlimer wrote:
>> On Tue, 04 Sep 2018 10:05:19 -0400, William Barnes wrote:
>> 
>>> On Tue, 4 Sep 2018 06:37:19 -0700, Snit wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 9/4/18 5:33 AM, chrisv wrote:
>>>>> Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Melzzzzz wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> JS has more than its share of warts but they can be avoided. This
>>>>>>>> is like Php, which has also been called crap because there's been
>>>>>>>> so much garbage code written in it... any language can be misused.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Exactly. That is why it is bad idea to run it in browser. Heck, M$
>>>>>>> had even better idea: download binary from internet and run it on
>>>>>>> local machine ;)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How'd that work out?  :-D
>>>>>
>>>>> It worked-out quite well!  M$ is, of course, so much better at their
>>>>> jobs than everyone else on the planet, that they *deserve* nintey
>>>>> fscking percent of the desktop market.
>>>>>
>>>>> According to the "logic" of trolling idiots, anyway.
>>>>
>>>> If you want desktop Linux to compete better help it improve instead of
>>>> making excuses for it.
>>>
>>> Where do you feel Linux is lacking?
>>> Be specific and market share != lacking.
>> 
>> I'll be the first to say that it might have lacked in the past but now
>> provides a pretty stellar experience.
>> 
>> 
>> 
> Would love to see you revisit some of the past tasks that have been 
> talked about. Here is my list... and notice in some Linux does show 
> itself well. In others, not so much.
> 
> * From a single online recipe (or art project, lesson plan, online map,
> whatever) save and email a PDF version with annotations. Now I know this
> can be done on Linux; save, open, annotate, email. Just curious to see
> how you people would generally do it and how streamlined the workflow
> would be. A couple ways I might: <https://youtu.be/NPM_WldEBs0>.
> 
> * Make a screencast with cursor replacement / resizing (post
> production), window highlighting, zooming, arbitrary area highlighting.
> For me these were done just to show something else:
> <https://youtu.be/aSNpnYpmKag>. I have many other options but picked
> these because they fit the real-world example I did shortly before
> coming up with the task.
> 
> * From an image of a forest, automate creation of lines showing borders 
> of where the trees are. Example of what I was able to do here: 
> <http://imgur.com/a/xdOpx>. No solution was shown for Linux.
> 
> * Getting a WayBackArchive page and getting images of all links, the
> HTML validation and CSS validation from W3.org, and a active link to
> the archive page, as I did here (does not have to look the exact same,
> of course):
> <http://tmp.gallopinginsanity.com/sandman/sandman-archive.pdf>.
> 
> * Starting with a spreadsheet 3D chart, have it be animated, including
> with the top range expanding as needed and a color change with the
> bar. More details here: <http://tmp.gallopinginsanity.com/bar512>
> (also shows Owl's solution). Marek tried but gave up and tried on a 
> competing system. And still failed.
> 
> * Make a video with an image appears to stay still even as the video
> bounces some, and have the image disappear in a come-and-go fashion
> sort of like seen on Doctor Who, and add multiple layers of sound. My
> end result here: <https://youtu.be/jYqMGjGiqHg>.
> 
> * Write a script that monitors VPN connections: if the connection 
> terminates the applications using that connection also terminate. Also 
> have the script detect apps not wanted to go over the VPN and end the 
> connection when appropriate. Challenge from Marek -- few took it on, but 
> Marek says he pays about $2000/year for VPN services, so makes sense why 
> others have not done it! I did end up with a VPN service and once I had 
> that the challenge was pretty trivial: <https://youtu.be/CSJ_NgWE_ro>. 
> There are, of course, much better ways to achieve the goals Marek states.
> 
> * Do a search for a number of names (or other terms) and each letter of
> the alphabet to see suggested searches are for each letter. My results
> are here: <https://youtu.be/QmUPMhiyIKE>. Owl also presented a solution
> for Linux (lost the link but it worked). Peter Köhlmann failed to
> recognize it as a repetitive / scripting challenge and thought it was
> about special search results per OS. Weird.
> 
> * Create a bunch of folders as a general user would (GUI and no
> scripting) <https://youtu.be/r-Web_U_HeU>. Nobody else in COLA
> provided a solution: both Owl and Marek showed scripts (they could not
> find a good method).
> 
> * Download as PDFs all the recipes from the homepage of allrecipes.com
> (Owl is the one who suggested this). Here is one of several versions I
> did: <https://youtu.be/_J4PppWroWY>. Mine not only worked, but the PDF
> had selectable text and allowed me to do quick searches on ingredients
> and the like... something Owl was never able to do on Linux. Worked so
> well that he and Peter Köhlmann insisted it must have been faked.
> 
> * Owl created a similar challenge: script multiple-folder creation and
> include some questions. Owl's solution: <https://vid.me/BjHo>. Snit's
> solution: <https://youtu.be/ZIm1-X-ZugM>.
> 
> * Owl's: Open terminal windows with colors to match the current
> background image, but which are not the same as each other. Owl created
> 52K launchers which are tied to colors, and then selects a launcher
> (color) manually with the idea this let him avoid manually selecting
> colors (?!): <https://vid.me/Ifdo>. I automated my solution -- can use
> exact colors from images or approximate for more variability (and sets
> text color based on brightness), fully automated -- video shows creation
> of 50 with changing background: <http://youtu.be/B5pQlJNWnWM>
> 
> * Rename / move an open word processor file:
> Snit's <https://youtu.be/7BnKhLuW8nM?t=32s> (quick and elegant)
> Owl's: <http://youtu.be/W15g0TwA_E0> (leads to loss of data!)
> 
> * This was specifically for Owl (something I do not do often). I 
> challenged Owl that I can "show" anything in Numbers that he can show SC 
> doing. Owl showed this: <https://vid.me/Kf0cq>. I showed the same thing, 
> but in Numbers: <https://youtu.be/ho18yLx_HIg>. This was clearly a 
> sucker's bet... just having some fun given how Owl had been playing word 
> games and showing deep insecurity over SC not being able to do what 
> Numbers can, even though they hardly overlap in their capabilities 
> (other than to both be spreadsheets).

Clearly you are looking for Linux to imitate a Mac and you carefully
crafted your tests to show that.
A pair of snowshoes is excellent for hiking the Rockies during winter
months but not so great during the summer months.
I have to say in 40 years in the computer field I have not had a situation
where I have had to perform even one of your list of tasks. 
Ever.
I'm sure an experienced Linux user could design a similar list of tasks
that your Mac would trip over as well.

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#465880

FromSteve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com>
Date2018-09-04 16:21 -0700
Message-ID<ed2e8323-4801-4f6b-9c53-c2a9f93d592e@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#465879
On Tuesday, September 4, 2018 at 3:59:04 PM UTC-7, William Barnes wrote:
> On Tue, 4 Sep 2018 11:48:29 -0700, Snit wrote:
> 
> > On 9/4/18 8:58 AM, SilverSlimer wrote:
> >> On Tue, 04 Sep 2018 10:05:19 -0400, William Barnes wrote:
> >> 
> >>> On Tue, 4 Sep 2018 06:37:19 -0700, Snit wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> On 9/4/18 5:33 AM, chrisv wrote:
> >>>>> Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Melzzzzz wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> JS has more than its share of warts but they can be avoided. This
> >>>>>>>> is like Php, which has also been called crap because there's been
> >>>>>>>> so much garbage code written in it... any language can be misused.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Exactly. That is why it is bad idea to run it in browser. Heck, M$
> >>>>>>> had even better idea: download binary from internet and run it on
> >>>>>>> local machine ;)
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> How'd that work out?  :-D
> >>>>>
> >>>>> It worked-out quite well!  M$ is, of course, so much better at their
> >>>>> jobs than everyone else on the planet, that they *deserve* nintey
> >>>>> fscking percent of the desktop market.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> According to the "logic" of trolling idiots, anyway.
> >>>>
> >>>> If you want desktop Linux to compete better help it improve instead of
> >>>> making excuses for it.
> >>>
> >>> Where do you feel Linux is lacking?
> >>> Be specific and market share != lacking.
> >> 
> >> I'll be the first to say that it might have lacked in the past but now
> >> provides a pretty stellar experience.
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> > Would love to see you revisit some of the past tasks that have been 
> > talked about. Here is my list... and notice in some Linux does show 
> > itself well. In others, not so much.
> > 
> > * From a single online recipe (or art project, lesson plan, online map,
> > whatever) save and email a PDF version with annotations. Now I know this
> > can be done on Linux; save, open, annotate, email. Just curious to see
> > how you people would generally do it and how streamlined the workflow
> > would be. A couple ways I might: <https://youtu.be/NPM_WldEBs0>.
> > 
> > * Make a screencast with cursor replacement / resizing (post
> > production), window highlighting, zooming, arbitrary area highlighting.
> > For me these were done just to show something else:
> > <https://youtu.be/aSNpnYpmKag>. I have many other options but picked
> > these because they fit the real-world example I did shortly before
> > coming up with the task.
> > 
> > * From an image of a forest, automate creation of lines showing borders 
> > of where the trees are. Example of what I was able to do here: 
> > <http://imgur.com/a/xdOpx>. No solution was shown for Linux.
> > 
> > * Getting a WayBackArchive page and getting images of all links, the
> > HTML validation and CSS validation from W3.org, and a active link to
> > the archive page, as I did here (does not have to look the exact same,
> > of course):
> > <http://tmp.gallopinginsanity.com/sandman/sandman-archive.pdf>.
> > 
> > * Starting with a spreadsheet 3D chart, have it be animated, including
> > with the top range expanding as needed and a color change with the
> > bar. More details here: <http://tmp.gallopinginsanity.com/bar512>
> > (also shows Owl's solution). Marek tried but gave up and tried on a 
> > competing system. And still failed.
> > 
> > * Make a video with an image appears to stay still even as the video
> > bounces some, and have the image disappear in a come-and-go fashion
> > sort of like seen on Doctor Who, and add multiple layers of sound. My
> > end result here: <https://youtu.be/jYqMGjGiqHg>.
> > 
> > * Write a script that monitors VPN connections: if the connection 
> > terminates the applications using that connection also terminate. Also 
> > have the script detect apps not wanted to go over the VPN and end the 
> > connection when appropriate. Challenge from Marek -- few took it on, but 
> > Marek says he pays about $2000/year for VPN services, so makes sense why 
> > others have not done it! I did end up with a VPN service and once I had 
> > that the challenge was pretty trivial: <https://youtu.be/CSJ_NgWE_ro>. 
> > There are, of course, much better ways to achieve the goals Marek states.
> > 
> > * Do a search for a number of names (or other terms) and each letter of
> > the alphabet to see suggested searches are for each letter. My results
> > are here: <https://youtu.be/QmUPMhiyIKE>. Owl also presented a solution
> > for Linux (lost the link but it worked). Peter Köhlmann failed to
> > recognize it as a repetitive / scripting challenge and thought it was
> > about special search results per OS. Weird.
> > 
> > * Create a bunch of folders as a general user would (GUI and no
> > scripting) <https://youtu.be/r-Web_U_HeU>. Nobody else in COLA
> > provided a solution: both Owl and Marek showed scripts (they could not
> > find a good method).
> > 
> > * Download as PDFs all the recipes from the homepage of allrecipes.com
> > (Owl is the one who suggested this). Here is one of several versions I
> > did: <https://youtu.be/_J4PppWroWY>. Mine not only worked, but the PDF
> > had selectable text and allowed me to do quick searches on ingredients
> > and the like... something Owl was never able to do on Linux. Worked so
> > well that he and Peter Köhlmann insisted it must have been faked.
> > 
> > * Owl created a similar challenge: script multiple-folder creation and
> > include some questions. Owl's solution: <https://vid.me/BjHo>. Snit's
> > solution: <https://youtu.be/ZIm1-X-ZugM>.
> > 
> > * Owl's: Open terminal windows with colors to match the current
> > background image, but which are not the same as each other. Owl created
> > 52K launchers which are tied to colors, and then selects a launcher
> > (color) manually with the idea this let him avoid manually selecting
> > colors (?!): <https://vid.me/Ifdo>. I automated my solution -- can use
> > exact colors from images or approximate for more variability (and sets
> > text color based on brightness), fully automated -- video shows creation
> > of 50 with changing background: <http://youtu.be/B5pQlJNWnWM>
> > 
> > * Rename / move an open word processor file:
> > Snit's <https://youtu.be/7BnKhLuW8nM?t=32s> (quick and elegant)
> > Owl's: <http://youtu.be/W15g0TwA_E0> (leads to loss of data!)
> > 
> > * This was specifically for Owl (something I do not do often). I 
> > challenged Owl that I can "show" anything in Numbers that he can show SC 
> > doing. Owl showed this: <https://vid.me/Kf0cq>. I showed the same thing, 
> > but in Numbers: <https://youtu.be/ho18yLx_HIg>. This was clearly a 
> > sucker's bet... just having some fun given how Owl had been playing word 
> > games and showing deep insecurity over SC not being able to do what 
> > Numbers can, even though they hardly overlap in their capabilities 
> > (other than to both be spreadsheets).
> 
> Clearly you are looking for Linux to imitate a Mac and you carefully
> crafted your tests to show that.
> A pair of snowshoes is excellent for hiking the Rockies during winter
> months but not so great during the summer months.
> I have to say in 40 years in the computer field I have not had a situation
> where I have had to perform even one of your list of tasks. 
> Ever.
> I'm sure an experienced Linux user could design a similar list of tasks
> that your Mac would trip over as well.



It won't matter because the name on a post means nothing, we know it is from the flooder anyway. Klaus Schadenfreude owns Flooder Steve Carroll in every way possible. And what did Flooder Steve Carroll have to say about this miraculous, years long string of oddities? Most of the time he would try to push the reader to believe they're real people who just happened to have a detailed understanding of the history of the group. LOL! How did Flooder Steve Carroll get _so_ narcissistic he believes everything is about him?? Why do you keep rephrasing Klaus Schadenfreude? 



--
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#465884

FromRonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com>
Date2018-09-04 23:49 +0000
Message-ID<pmn5mg$tei$3@dont-email.me>
In reply to#465879
On 2018-09-04, William Barnes <idonthvanemaildou@mail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 4 Sep 2018 11:48:29 -0700, Snit wrote:
>
>> On 9/4/18 8:58 AM, SilverSlimer wrote:
>>> On Tue, 04 Sep 2018 10:05:19 -0400, William Barnes wrote:
>>> 
>>>> On Tue, 4 Sep 2018 06:37:19 -0700, Snit wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 9/4/18 5:33 AM, chrisv wrote:
>>>>>> Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Melzzzzz wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> JS has more than its share of warts but they can be avoided. This
>>>>>>>>> is like Php, which has also been called crap because there's been
>>>>>>>>> so much garbage code written in it... any language can be misused.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Exactly. That is why it is bad idea to run it in browser. Heck, M$
>>>>>>>> had even better idea: download binary from internet and run it on
>>>>>>>> local machine ;)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> How'd that work out?  :-D
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It worked-out quite well!  M$ is, of course, so much better at their
>>>>>> jobs than everyone else on the planet, that they *deserve* nintey
>>>>>> fscking percent of the desktop market.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> According to the "logic" of trolling idiots, anyway.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you want desktop Linux to compete better help it improve instead of
>>>>> making excuses for it.
>>>>
>>>> Where do you feel Linux is lacking?
>>>> Be specific and market share != lacking.
>>> 
>>> I'll be the first to say that it might have lacked in the past but now
>>> provides a pretty stellar experience.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>> Would love to see you revisit some of the past tasks that have been 
>> talked about. Here is my list... and notice in some Linux does show 
>> itself well. In others, not so much.
>> 
>> * From a single online recipe (or art project, lesson plan, online map,
>> whatever) save and email a PDF version with annotations. Now I know this
>> can be done on Linux; save, open, annotate, email. Just curious to see
>> how you people would generally do it and how streamlined the workflow
>> would be. A couple ways I might: <https://youtu.be/NPM_WldEBs0>.
>> 
>> * Make a screencast with cursor replacement / resizing (post
>> production), window highlighting, zooming, arbitrary area highlighting.
>> For me these were done just to show something else:
>> <https://youtu.be/aSNpnYpmKag>. I have many other options but picked
>> these because they fit the real-world example I did shortly before
>> coming up with the task.
>> 
>> * From an image of a forest, automate creation of lines showing borders 
>> of where the trees are. Example of what I was able to do here: 
>> <http://imgur.com/a/xdOpx>. No solution was shown for Linux.
>> 
>> * Getting a WayBackArchive page and getting images of all links, the
>> HTML validation and CSS validation from W3.org, and a active link to
>> the archive page, as I did here (does not have to look the exact same,
>> of course):
>> <http://tmp.gallopinginsanity.com/sandman/sandman-archive.pdf>.
>> 
>> * Starting with a spreadsheet 3D chart, have it be animated, including
>> with the top range expanding as needed and a color change with the
>> bar. More details here: <http://tmp.gallopinginsanity.com/bar512>
>> (also shows Owl's solution). Marek tried but gave up and tried on a 
>> competing system. And still failed.
>> 
>> * Make a video with an image appears to stay still even as the video
>> bounces some, and have the image disappear in a come-and-go fashion
>> sort of like seen on Doctor Who, and add multiple layers of sound. My
>> end result here: <https://youtu.be/jYqMGjGiqHg>.
>> 
>> * Write a script that monitors VPN connections: if the connection 
>> terminates the applications using that connection also terminate. Also 
>> have the script detect apps not wanted to go over the VPN and end the 
>> connection when appropriate. Challenge from Marek -- few took it on, but 
>> Marek says he pays about $2000/year for VPN services, so makes sense why 
>> others have not done it! I did end up with a VPN service and once I had 
>> that the challenge was pretty trivial: <https://youtu.be/CSJ_NgWE_ro>. 
>> There are, of course, much better ways to achieve the goals Marek states.
>> 
>> * Do a search for a number of names (or other terms) and each letter of
>> the alphabet to see suggested searches are for each letter. My results
>> are here: <https://youtu.be/QmUPMhiyIKE>. Owl also presented a solution
>> for Linux (lost the link but it worked). Peter Köhlmann failed to
>> recognize it as a repetitive / scripting challenge and thought it was
>> about special search results per OS. Weird.
>> 
>> * Create a bunch of folders as a general user would (GUI and no
>> scripting) <https://youtu.be/r-Web_U_HeU>. Nobody else in COLA
>> provided a solution: both Owl and Marek showed scripts (they could not
>> find a good method).
>> 
>> * Download as PDFs all the recipes from the homepage of allrecipes.com
>> (Owl is the one who suggested this). Here is one of several versions I
>> did: <https://youtu.be/_J4PppWroWY>. Mine not only worked, but the PDF
>> had selectable text and allowed me to do quick searches on ingredients
>> and the like... something Owl was never able to do on Linux. Worked so
>> well that he and Peter Köhlmann insisted it must have been faked.
>> 
>> * Owl created a similar challenge: script multiple-folder creation and
>> include some questions. Owl's solution: <https://vid.me/BjHo>. Snit's
>> solution: <https://youtu.be/ZIm1-X-ZugM>.
>> 
>> * Owl's: Open terminal windows with colors to match the current
>> background image, but which are not the same as each other. Owl created
>> 52K launchers which are tied to colors, and then selects a launcher
>> (color) manually with the idea this let him avoid manually selecting
>> colors (?!): <https://vid.me/Ifdo>. I automated my solution -- can use
>> exact colors from images or approximate for more variability (and sets
>> text color based on brightness), fully automated -- video shows creation
>> of 50 with changing background: <http://youtu.be/B5pQlJNWnWM>
>> 
>> * Rename / move an open word processor file:
>> Snit's <https://youtu.be/7BnKhLuW8nM?t=32s> (quick and elegant)
>> Owl's: <http://youtu.be/W15g0TwA_E0> (leads to loss of data!)
>> 
>> * This was specifically for Owl (something I do not do often). I 
>> challenged Owl that I can "show" anything in Numbers that he can show SC 
>> doing. Owl showed this: <https://vid.me/Kf0cq>. I showed the same thing, 
>> but in Numbers: <https://youtu.be/ho18yLx_HIg>. This was clearly a 
>> sucker's bet... just having some fun given how Owl had been playing word 
>> games and showing deep insecurity over SC not being able to do what 
>> Numbers can, even though they hardly overlap in their capabilities 
>> (other than to both be spreadsheets).
>
> Clearly you are looking for Linux to imitate a Mac and you carefully
> crafted your tests to show that.
> A pair of snowshoes is excellent for hiking the Rockies during winter
> months but not so great during the summer months.
> I have to say in 40 years in the computer field I have not had a situation
> where I have had to perform even one of your list of tasks. 
> Ever.
> I'm sure an experienced Linux user could design a similar list of tasks
> that your Mac would trip over as well.

"Snit" is nothing if not monotonous. Don't worry, he'll remind you again 
(and again) that Linux not working like a Mac is a "bug."

-- 
The more I see of Windows, the more I like Linux.

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#465886

FromSteve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com>
Date2018-09-04 17:08 -0700
Message-ID<a38ad313-9639-4ae3-900b-aba5b690fbf7@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#465884
On Tuesday, September 4, 2018 at 4:49:39 PM UTC-7, RonB wrote:
> On 2018-09-04, William Barnes <idonthvanemaildou@mail.com> wrote:
> > On Tue, 4 Sep 2018 11:48:29 -0700, Snit wrote:
> >
> >> On 9/4/18 8:58 AM, SilverSlimer wrote:
> >>> On Tue, 04 Sep 2018 10:05:19 -0400, William Barnes wrote:
> >>> 
> >>>> On Tue, 4 Sep 2018 06:37:19 -0700, Snit wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> On 9/4/18 5:33 AM, chrisv wrote:
> >>>>>> Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Melzzzzz wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> JS has more than its share of warts but they can be avoided. This
> >>>>>>>>> is like Php, which has also been called crap because there's been
> >>>>>>>>> so much garbage code written in it... any language can be misused.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Exactly. That is why it is bad idea to run it in browser. Heck, M$
> >>>>>>>> had even better idea: download binary from internet and run it on
> >>>>>>>> local machine ;)
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> How'd that work out?  :-D
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> It worked-out quite well!  M$ is, of course, so much better at their
> >>>>>> jobs than everyone else on the planet, that they *deserve* nintey
> >>>>>> fscking percent of the desktop market.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> According to the "logic" of trolling idiots, anyway.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> If you want desktop Linux to compete better help it improve instead of
> >>>>> making excuses for it.
> >>>>
> >>>> Where do you feel Linux is lacking?
> >>>> Be specific and market share != lacking.
> >>> 
> >>> I'll be the first to say that it might have lacked in the past but now
> >>> provides a pretty stellar experience.
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >> Would love to see you revisit some of the past tasks that have been 
> >> talked about. Here is my list... and notice in some Linux does show 
> >> itself well. In others, not so much.
> >> 
> >> * From a single online recipe (or art project, lesson plan, online map,
> >> whatever) save and email a PDF version with annotations. Now I know this
> >> can be done on Linux; save, open, annotate, email. Just curious to see
> >> how you people would generally do it and how streamlined the workflow
> >> would be. A couple ways I might: <https://youtu.be/NPM_WldEBs0>.
> >> 
> >> * Make a screencast with cursor replacement / resizing (post
> >> production), window highlighting, zooming, arbitrary area highlighting.
> >> For me these were done just to show something else:
> >> <https://youtu.be/aSNpnYpmKag>. I have many other options but picked
> >> these because they fit the real-world example I did shortly before
> >> coming up with the task.
> >> 
> >> * From an image of a forest, automate creation of lines showing borders 
> >> of where the trees are. Example of what I was able to do here: 
> >> <http://imgur.com/a/xdOpx>. No solution was shown for Linux.
> >> 
> >> * Getting a WayBackArchive page and getting images of all links, the
> >> HTML validation and CSS validation from W3.org, and a active link to
> >> the archive page, as I did here (does not have to look the exact same,
> >> of course):
> >> <http://tmp.gallopinginsanity.com/sandman/sandman-archive.pdf>.
> >> 
> >> * Starting with a spreadsheet 3D chart, have it be animated, including
> >> with the top range expanding as needed and a color change with the
> >> bar. More details here: <http://tmp.gallopinginsanity.com/bar512>
> >> (also shows Owl's solution). Marek tried but gave up and tried on a 
> >> competing system. And still failed.
> >> 
> >> * Make a video with an image appears to stay still even as the video
> >> bounces some, and have the image disappear in a come-and-go fashion
> >> sort of like seen on Doctor Who, and add multiple layers of sound. My
> >> end result here: <https://youtu.be/jYqMGjGiqHg>.
> >> 
> >> * Write a script that monitors VPN connections: if the connection 
> >> terminates the applications using that connection also terminate. Also 
> >> have the script detect apps not wanted to go over the VPN and end the 
> >> connection when appropriate. Challenge from Marek -- few took it on, but 
> >> Marek says he pays about $2000/year for VPN services, so makes sense why 
> >> others have not done it! I did end up with a VPN service and once I had 
> >> that the challenge was pretty trivial: <https://youtu.be/CSJ_NgWE_ro>. 
> >> There are, of course, much better ways to achieve the goals Marek states.
> >> 
> >> * Do a search for a number of names (or other terms) and each letter of
> >> the alphabet to see suggested searches are for each letter. My results
> >> are here: <https://youtu.be/QmUPMhiyIKE>. Owl also presented a solution
> >> for Linux (lost the link but it worked). Peter Köhlmann failed to
> >> recognize it as a repetitive / scripting challenge and thought it was
> >> about special search results per OS. Weird.
> >> 
> >> * Create a bunch of folders as a general user would (GUI and no
> >> scripting) <https://youtu.be/r-Web_U_HeU>. Nobody else in COLA
> >> provided a solution: both Owl and Marek showed scripts (they could not
> >> find a good method).
> >> 
> >> * Download as PDFs all the recipes from the homepage of allrecipes.com
> >> (Owl is the one who suggested this). Here is one of several versions I
> >> did: <https://youtu.be/_J4PppWroWY>. Mine not only worked, but the PDF
> >> had selectable text and allowed me to do quick searches on ingredients
> >> and the like... something Owl was never able to do on Linux. Worked so
> >> well that he and Peter Köhlmann insisted it must have been faked.
> >> 
> >> * Owl created a similar challenge: script multiple-folder creation and
> >> include some questions. Owl's solution: <https://vid.me/BjHo>. Snit's
> >> solution: <https://youtu.be/ZIm1-X-ZugM>.
> >> 
> >> * Owl's: Open terminal windows with colors to match the current
> >> background image, but which are not the same as each other. Owl created
> >> 52K launchers which are tied to colors, and then selects a launcher
> >> (color) manually with the idea this let him avoid manually selecting
> >> colors (?!): <https://vid.me/Ifdo>. I automated my solution -- can use
> >> exact colors from images or approximate for more variability (and sets
> >> text color based on brightness), fully automated -- video shows creation
> >> of 50 with changing background: <http://youtu.be/B5pQlJNWnWM>
> >> 
> >> * Rename / move an open word processor file:
> >> Snit's <https://youtu.be/7BnKhLuW8nM?t=32s> (quick and elegant)
> >> Owl's: <http://youtu.be/W15g0TwA_E0> (leads to loss of data!)
> >> 
> >> * This was specifically for Owl (something I do not do often). I 
> >> challenged Owl that I can "show" anything in Numbers that he can show SC 
> >> doing. Owl showed this: <https://vid.me/Kf0cq>. I showed the same thing, 
> >> but in Numbers: <https://youtu.be/ho18yLx_HIg>. This was clearly a 
> >> sucker's bet... just having some fun given how Owl had been playing word 
> >> games and showing deep insecurity over SC not being able to do what 
> >> Numbers can, even though they hardly overlap in their capabilities 
> >> (other than to both be spreadsheets).
> >
> > Clearly you are looking for Linux to imitate a Mac and you carefully
> > crafted your tests to show that.
> > A pair of snowshoes is excellent for hiking the Rockies during winter
> > months but not so great during the summer months.
> > I have to say in 40 years in the computer field I have not had a situation
> > where I have had to perform even one of your list of tasks. 
> > Ever.
> > I'm sure an experienced Linux user could design a similar list of tasks
> > that your Mac would trip over as well.
> 
> "Snit" is nothing if not monotonous. Don't worry, he'll remind you again 
> (and again) that Linux not working like a Mac is a "bug."
> 
> -- 
> The more I see of Windows, the more I like Linux.



Sadly this is what results when acutely poor self-respect takes over Takuya 'The Flooder' Saitoh's life. Klaus Schadenfreude just wiped his ass with Takuya 'The Flooder' Saitoh. 

Nobody gets it, I don't get it. 

Can you get over it? I have worked in the computer industry for almost 20 years. I have had a contract with multinational companies working with the robotics industry and the health industry. Never, not even once, were we instructed not to pre-install any OS the customer wanted. We sold AIX, Amiga, Red Hat, among others alongside MS OSs very successfully. Takuya 'The Flooder' Saitoh can only understand from the perspective of a psychopath. 

With all the gloating Takuya 'The Flooder' Saitoh has done on this topic, the 'Information Architect' doesn't understand how to do this. It literally takes a couple seconds to click and drag across text and 'reverse' it. Takuya 'The Flooder' Saitoh calls it "obsessing" over him, even though he proceeds to trigger that selfsame response. 

- 
This Trick Gets Women Hot For You
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/comp.os.linux.advocacy/tzMH39QmAmU
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#465888

FromSnit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>
Date2018-09-04 17:24 -0700
Message-ID<fv8m1vF7i1fU8@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#465884
On 9/4/18 4:49 PM, RonB wrote:
> On 2018-09-04, William Barnes <idonthvanemaildou@mail.com> wrote:
>> On Tue, 4 Sep 2018 11:48:29 -0700, Snit wrote:
>>
>>> On 9/4/18 8:58 AM, SilverSlimer wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 04 Sep 2018 10:05:19 -0400, William Barnes wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, 4 Sep 2018 06:37:19 -0700, Snit wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 9/4/18 5:33 AM, chrisv wrote:
>>>>>>> Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Melzzzzz wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> JS has more than its share of warts but they can be avoided. This
>>>>>>>>>> is like Php, which has also been called crap because there's been
>>>>>>>>>> so much garbage code written in it... any language can be misused.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Exactly. That is why it is bad idea to run it in browser. Heck, M$
>>>>>>>>> had even better idea: download binary from internet and run it on
>>>>>>>>> local machine ;)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> How'd that work out?  :-D
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It worked-out quite well!  M$ is, of course, so much better at their
>>>>>>> jobs than everyone else on the planet, that they *deserve* nintey
>>>>>>> fscking percent of the desktop market.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> According to the "logic" of trolling idiots, anyway.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you want desktop Linux to compete better help it improve instead of
>>>>>> making excuses for it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Where do you feel Linux is lacking?
>>>>> Be specific and market share != lacking.
>>>>
>>>> I'll be the first to say that it might have lacked in the past but now
>>>> provides a pretty stellar experience.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Would love to see you revisit some of the past tasks that have been
>>> talked about. Here is my list... and notice in some Linux does show
>>> itself well. In others, not so much.
>>>
>>> * From a single online recipe (or art project, lesson plan, online map,
>>> whatever) save and email a PDF version with annotations. Now I know this
>>> can be done on Linux; save, open, annotate, email. Just curious to see
>>> how you people would generally do it and how streamlined the workflow
>>> would be. A couple ways I might: <https://youtu.be/NPM_WldEBs0>.
>>>
>>> * Make a screencast with cursor replacement / resizing (post
>>> production), window highlighting, zooming, arbitrary area highlighting.
>>> For me these were done just to show something else:
>>> <https://youtu.be/aSNpnYpmKag>. I have many other options but picked
>>> these because they fit the real-world example I did shortly before
>>> coming up with the task.
>>>
>>> * From an image of a forest, automate creation of lines showing borders
>>> of where the trees are. Example of what I was able to do here:
>>> <http://imgur.com/a/xdOpx>. No solution was shown for Linux.
>>>
>>> * Getting a WayBackArchive page and getting images of all links, the
>>> HTML validation and CSS validation from W3.org, and a active link to
>>> the archive page, as I did here (does not have to look the exact same,
>>> of course):
>>> <http://tmp.gallopinginsanity.com/sandman/sandman-archive.pdf>.
>>>
>>> * Starting with a spreadsheet 3D chart, have it be animated, including
>>> with the top range expanding as needed and a color change with the
>>> bar. More details here: <http://tmp.gallopinginsanity.com/bar512>
>>> (also shows Owl's solution). Marek tried but gave up and tried on a
>>> competing system. And still failed.
>>>
>>> * Make a video with an image appears to stay still even as the video
>>> bounces some, and have the image disappear in a come-and-go fashion
>>> sort of like seen on Doctor Who, and add multiple layers of sound. My
>>> end result here: <https://youtu.be/jYqMGjGiqHg>.
>>>
>>> * Write a script that monitors VPN connections: if the connection
>>> terminates the applications using that connection also terminate. Also
>>> have the script detect apps not wanted to go over the VPN and end the
>>> connection when appropriate. Challenge from Marek -- few took it on, but
>>> Marek says he pays about $2000/year for VPN services, so makes sense why
>>> others have not done it! I did end up with a VPN service and once I had
>>> that the challenge was pretty trivial: <https://youtu.be/CSJ_NgWE_ro>.
>>> There are, of course, much better ways to achieve the goals Marek states.
>>>
>>> * Do a search for a number of names (or other terms) and each letter of
>>> the alphabet to see suggested searches are for each letter. My results
>>> are here: <https://youtu.be/QmUPMhiyIKE>. Owl also presented a solution
>>> for Linux (lost the link but it worked). Peter Köhlmann failed to
>>> recognize it as a repetitive / scripting challenge and thought it was
>>> about special search results per OS. Weird.
>>>
>>> * Create a bunch of folders as a general user would (GUI and no
>>> scripting) <https://youtu.be/r-Web_U_HeU>. Nobody else in COLA
>>> provided a solution: both Owl and Marek showed scripts (they could not
>>> find a good method).
>>>
>>> * Download as PDFs all the recipes from the homepage of allrecipes.com
>>> (Owl is the one who suggested this). Here is one of several versions I
>>> did: <https://youtu.be/_J4PppWroWY>. Mine not only worked, but the PDF
>>> had selectable text and allowed me to do quick searches on ingredients
>>> and the like... something Owl was never able to do on Linux. Worked so
>>> well that he and Peter Köhlmann insisted it must have been faked.
>>>
>>> * Owl created a similar challenge: script multiple-folder creation and
>>> include some questions. Owl's solution: <https://vid.me/BjHo>. Snit's
>>> solution: <https://youtu.be/ZIm1-X-ZugM>.
>>>
>>> * Owl's: Open terminal windows with colors to match the current
>>> background image, but which are not the same as each other. Owl created
>>> 52K launchers which are tied to colors, and then selects a launcher
>>> (color) manually with the idea this let him avoid manually selecting
>>> colors (?!): <https://vid.me/Ifdo>. I automated my solution -- can use
>>> exact colors from images or approximate for more variability (and sets
>>> text color based on brightness), fully automated -- video shows creation
>>> of 50 with changing background: <http://youtu.be/B5pQlJNWnWM>
>>>
>>> * Rename / move an open word processor file:
>>> Snit's <https://youtu.be/7BnKhLuW8nM?t=32s> (quick and elegant)
>>> Owl's: <http://youtu.be/W15g0TwA_E0> (leads to loss of data!)
>>>
>>> * This was specifically for Owl (something I do not do often). I
>>> challenged Owl that I can "show" anything in Numbers that he can show SC
>>> doing. Owl showed this: <https://vid.me/Kf0cq>. I showed the same thing,
>>> but in Numbers: <https://youtu.be/ho18yLx_HIg>. This was clearly a
>>> sucker's bet... just having some fun given how Owl had been playing word
>>> games and showing deep insecurity over SC not being able to do what
>>> Numbers can, even though they hardly overlap in their capabilities
>>> (other than to both be spreadsheets).
>>
>> Clearly you are looking for Linux to imitate a Mac and you carefully
>> crafted your tests to show that.
>> A pair of snowshoes is excellent for hiking the Rockies during winter
>> months but not so great during the summer months.
>> I have to say in 40 years in the computer field I have not had a situation
>> where I have had to perform even one of your list of tasks.
>> Ever.
>> I'm sure an experienced Linux user could design a similar list of tasks
>> that your Mac would trip over as well.
> 
> "Snit" is nothing if not monotonous. Don't worry, he'll remind you again
> (and again) that Linux not working like a Mac is a "bug."
> 

Why would you want Linux to work like a Mac? Do you think how macOS 
handles things is the only good way? Just seems bizarre to me.

-- 
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They 
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel 
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

<https://youtu.be/H4NW-Cqh308>

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#465890

FromSteve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com>
Date2018-09-04 17:54 -0700
Message-ID<ce0a9659-d55f-4cff-8184-8a5ce4386970@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#465888
On Tuesday, September 4, 2018 at 5:24:34 PM UTC-7, Snit wrote:
> On 9/4/18 4:49 PM, RonB wrote:
> > On 2018-09-04, William Barnes <idonthvanemaildou@mail.com> wrote:
> >> On Tue, 4 Sep 2018 11:48:29 -0700, Snit wrote:
> >>
> >>> On 9/4/18 8:58 AM, SilverSlimer wrote:
> >>>> On Tue, 04 Sep 2018 10:05:19 -0400, William Barnes wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Tue, 4 Sep 2018 06:37:19 -0700, Snit wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On 9/4/18 5:33 AM, chrisv wrote:
> >>>>>>> Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Melzzzzz wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> JS has more than its share of warts but they can be avoided. This
> >>>>>>>>>> is like Php, which has also been called crap because there's been
> >>>>>>>>>> so much garbage code written in it... any language can be misused.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Exactly. That is why it is bad idea to run it in browser. Heck, M$
> >>>>>>>>> had even better idea: download binary from internet and run it on
> >>>>>>>>> local machine ;)
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> How'd that work out?  :-D
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> It worked-out quite well!  M$ is, of course, so much better at their
> >>>>>>> jobs than everyone else on the planet, that they *deserve* nintey
> >>>>>>> fscking percent of the desktop market.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> According to the "logic" of trolling idiots, anyway.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> If you want desktop Linux to compete better help it improve instead of
> >>>>>> making excuses for it.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Where do you feel Linux is lacking?
> >>>>> Be specific and market share != lacking.
> >>>>
> >>>> I'll be the first to say that it might have lacked in the past but now
> >>>> provides a pretty stellar experience.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>> Would love to see you revisit some of the past tasks that have been
> >>> talked about. Here is my list... and notice in some Linux does show
> >>> itself well. In others, not so much.
> >>>
> >>> * From a single online recipe (or art project, lesson plan, online map,
> >>> whatever) save and email a PDF version with annotations. Now I know this
> >>> can be done on Linux; save, open, annotate, email. Just curious to see
> >>> how you people would generally do it and how streamlined the workflow
> >>> would be. A couple ways I might: <https://youtu.be/NPM_WldEBs0>.
> >>>
> >>> * Make a screencast with cursor replacement / resizing (post
> >>> production), window highlighting, zooming, arbitrary area highlighting.
> >>> For me these were done just to show something else:
> >>> <https://youtu.be/aSNpnYpmKag>. I have many other options but picked
> >>> these because they fit the real-world example I did shortly before
> >>> coming up with the task.
> >>>
> >>> * From an image of a forest, automate creation of lines showing borders
> >>> of where the trees are. Example of what I was able to do here:
> >>> <http://imgur.com/a/xdOpx>. No solution was shown for Linux.
> >>>
> >>> * Getting a WayBackArchive page and getting images of all links, the
> >>> HTML validation and CSS validation from W3.org, and a active link to
> >>> the archive page, as I did here (does not have to look the exact same,
> >>> of course):
> >>> <http://tmp.gallopinginsanity.com/sandman/sandman-archive.pdf>.
> >>>
> >>> * Starting with a spreadsheet 3D chart, have it be animated, including
> >>> with the top range expanding as needed and a color change with the
> >>> bar. More details here: <http://tmp.gallopinginsanity.com/bar512>
> >>> (also shows Owl's solution). Marek tried but gave up and tried on a
> >>> competing system. And still failed.
> >>>
> >>> * Make a video with an image appears to stay still even as the video
> >>> bounces some, and have the image disappear in a come-and-go fashion
> >>> sort of like seen on Doctor Who, and add multiple layers of sound. My
> >>> end result here: <https://youtu.be/jYqMGjGiqHg>.
> >>>
> >>> * Write a script that monitors VPN connections: if the connection
> >>> terminates the applications using that connection also terminate. Also
> >>> have the script detect apps not wanted to go over the VPN and end the
> >>> connection when appropriate. Challenge from Marek -- few took it on, but
> >>> Marek says he pays about $2000/year for VPN services, so makes sense why
> >>> others have not done it! I did end up with a VPN service and once I had
> >>> that the challenge was pretty trivial: <https://youtu.be/CSJ_NgWE_ro>.
> >>> There are, of course, much better ways to achieve the goals Marek states.
> >>>
> >>> * Do a search for a number of names (or other terms) and each letter of
> >>> the alphabet to see suggested searches are for each letter. My results
> >>> are here: <https://youtu.be/QmUPMhiyIKE>. Owl also presented a solution
> >>> for Linux (lost the link but it worked). Peter Köhlmann failed to
> >>> recognize it as a repetitive / scripting challenge and thought it was
> >>> about special search results per OS. Weird.
> >>>
> >>> * Create a bunch of folders as a general user would (GUI and no
> >>> scripting) <https://youtu.be/r-Web_U_HeU>. Nobody else in COLA
> >>> provided a solution: both Owl and Marek showed scripts (they could not
> >>> find a good method).
> >>>
> >>> * Download as PDFs all the recipes from the homepage of allrecipes.com
> >>> (Owl is the one who suggested this). Here is one of several versions I
> >>> did: <https://youtu.be/_J4PppWroWY>. Mine not only worked, but the PDF
> >>> had selectable text and allowed me to do quick searches on ingredients
> >>> and the like... something Owl was never able to do on Linux. Worked so
> >>> well that he and Peter Köhlmann insisted it must have been faked.
> >>>
> >>> * Owl created a similar challenge: script multiple-folder creation and
> >>> include some questions. Owl's solution: <https://vid.me/BjHo>. Snit's
> >>> solution: <https://youtu.be/ZIm1-X-ZugM>.
> >>>
> >>> * Owl's: Open terminal windows with colors to match the current
> >>> background image, but which are not the same as each other. Owl created
> >>> 52K launchers which are tied to colors, and then selects a launcher
> >>> (color) manually with the idea this let him avoid manually selecting
> >>> colors (?!): <https://vid.me/Ifdo>. I automated my solution -- can use
> >>> exact colors from images or approximate for more variability (and sets
> >>> text color based on brightness), fully automated -- video shows creation
> >>> of 50 with changing background: <http://youtu.be/B5pQlJNWnWM>
> >>>
> >>> * Rename / move an open word processor file:
> >>> Snit's <https://youtu.be/7BnKhLuW8nM?t=32s> (quick and elegant)
> >>> Owl's: <http://youtu.be/W15g0TwA_E0> (leads to loss of data!)
> >>>
> >>> * This was specifically for Owl (something I do not do often). I
> >>> challenged Owl that I can "show" anything in Numbers that he can show SC
> >>> doing. Owl showed this: <https://vid.me/Kf0cq>. I showed the same thing,
> >>> but in Numbers: <https://youtu.be/ho18yLx_HIg>. This was clearly a
> >>> sucker's bet... just having some fun given how Owl had been playing word
> >>> games and showing deep insecurity over SC not being able to do what
> >>> Numbers can, even though they hardly overlap in their capabilities
> >>> (other than to both be spreadsheets).
> >>
> >> Clearly you are looking for Linux to imitate a Mac and you carefully
> >> crafted your tests to show that.
> >> A pair of snowshoes is excellent for hiking the Rockies during winter
> >> months but not so great during the summer months.
> >> I have to say in 40 years in the computer field I have not had a situation
> >> where I have had to perform even one of your list of tasks.
> >> Ever.
> >> I'm sure an experienced Linux user could design a similar list of tasks
> >> that your Mac would trip over as well.
> > 
> > "Snit" is nothing if not monotonous. Don't worry, he'll remind you again
> > (and again) that Linux not working like a Mac is a "bug."
> > 
> 
> Why would you want Linux to work like a Mac? Do you think how macOS 
> handles things is the only good way? Just seems bizarre to me.
> 
> -- 
> Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They 
> cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel 
> somehow superior by attacking the messenger.
> 
> They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
> 
> <https://youtu.be/H4NW-Cqh308>



Facts about Steve "Steven Petruzzellis" Carroll

Steve "Steven Petruzzellis" Carroll is a nearly 60 year old guy who is single, broke and has no skills. He blames Peter the Cöwardly Liön for his loss of his wife and girlfriend. Steven is jealous of what Peter the Cöwardly Liön has and in a narcissistic rage repeatedly works to take it away from him. For over 10 years he has failed at even this. Steve "Steven Petruzzellis" Carroll is an utter failure in life.

Of his online life Steven says

    I've been booted off by past providers before because people
    complain about me and all my bullshit. I don't want to lose my ISP
    *again* but I still need my army of sock puppets so I continually
    search usenet for whatever servers I haven't yet been booted
    from.
    
Some examples where Steven has been booted

X10 Hosting booted Steven for inappropriate activity
http://tinyurl.com/z92qmz4

Comcast booted Steven for inappropriate activity 
http://tinyurl.com/h75nh9l

FreeHostingEU booted Steven for copyright infringement http://devsite.eu.pn

AwardSpace (atwebpages.com) booted Steven for breaking terms of service
http://demsites.atwebpages.com/pokeman

Imgur took down an image for breaking terms of service http://imgur.com/yv2XppE

Had a GigaNews account which was removed for harassing Peter the Cöwardly Liön

Stopped posting from his fretwizzen Google account since shortly after I complained. Seems he lost that too.

His wife booted Steven to the curb for cheating on her


    
Only site Steven Petruzzellis has pointed to that has ever been available
http://web.archive.org/web/20161019062351/http://www.oldneighborhoodrestaurant.net/
https://goo.gl/DMno6J

Made by the Go Daddy Website builder and is utter crap. Later he denied he said he was merely taking credit for someone else's work but Steven is the contact person http://tinyurl.com/hcw6dul
http://web.archive.org/web/20161202192456/http://www.reservationdiary.eu/eng/reservation/d76d1156-e9f7-43c1-b77b-b07189857820

He also bragged he was working on an update and showed it here https://vid.me/u6RK

The business still failed.

He likely went to the Go Daddy Website Builder after he failed to get WordPress installed.

https://mu.wordpress.org/forums/topic/13879


This is why Steve "Steven Petruzzellis" Carroll attacks Peter the Cöwardly Liön. 


Steven Petruzzellis was is divorced because his wife caught him screwing another woman.

Peter the Cöwardly Liön is married and by all appearances happily so. 
He never complains about his wife in COLA.


Steven Petruzzellis is living on charity of a friend in a single room.

Peter the Cöwardly Liön does not live in a mansion or even a high end home but has a house and a yard.


Steven Petruzzellis has two kids but no respect. He repeatedly called Ryan his "little screwup" and refers to his son Steve as a "dick" and worse. He says at least one of them likely hacked his computer and is a "mentally deficient child." He mocks his possible future daughter-in-law as someone who takes too many selfies and is focused only on herself

Peter the Cöwardly Liön has two kids (or more) and never speaks poorly of them in public. 
No reason to think they are not a happy family.


Steven Petruzzellis claims to be a stay at home dad who pays thousands of dollars for day care. Steven has no job and no purpose in life. Steven has given up and now seeks a mother-figure to date. 

Peter the Cöwardly Liön has his own business doing technical work and also teaches. 
Peter the Cöwardly Liön offers a true contribution to society. 
Teachers are truly under appreciated.

-- 
This Trick Gets Women Hot For You!
http://www.5z8.info/yourdick_v1o3ww_manhunter
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#465894

FromWilliam Barnes <idonthvanemaildou@mail.com>
Date2018-09-04 22:26 -0400
Message-ID<fv8t6tF8v5kU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#465888
On Tue, 4 Sep 2018 17:24:31 -0700, Snit wrote:

> On 9/4/18 4:49 PM, RonB wrote:
>> On 2018-09-04, William Barnes <idonthvanemaildou@mail.com> wrote:
>>> On Tue, 4 Sep 2018 11:48:29 -0700, Snit wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 9/4/18 8:58 AM, SilverSlimer wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 04 Sep 2018 10:05:19 -0400, William Barnes wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, 4 Sep 2018 06:37:19 -0700, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 9/4/18 5:33 AM, chrisv wrote:
>>>>>>>> Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Melzzzzz wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> JS has more than its share of warts but they can be avoided. This
>>>>>>>>>>> is like Php, which has also been called crap because there's been
>>>>>>>>>>> so much garbage code written in it... any language can be misused.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Exactly. That is why it is bad idea to run it in browser. Heck, M$
>>>>>>>>>> had even better idea: download binary from internet and run it on
>>>>>>>>>> local machine ;)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> How'd that work out?  :-D
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It worked-out quite well!  M$ is, of course, so much better at their
>>>>>>>> jobs than everyone else on the planet, that they *deserve* nintey
>>>>>>>> fscking percent of the desktop market.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> According to the "logic" of trolling idiots, anyway.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If you want desktop Linux to compete better help it improve instead of
>>>>>>> making excuses for it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Where do you feel Linux is lacking?
>>>>>> Be specific and market share != lacking.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'll be the first to say that it might have lacked in the past but now
>>>>> provides a pretty stellar experience.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Would love to see you revisit some of the past tasks that have been
>>>> talked about. Here is my list... and notice in some Linux does show
>>>> itself well. In others, not so much.
>>>>
>>>> * From a single online recipe (or art project, lesson plan, online map,
>>>> whatever) save and email a PDF version with annotations. Now I know this
>>>> can be done on Linux; save, open, annotate, email. Just curious to see
>>>> how you people would generally do it and how streamlined the workflow
>>>> would be. A couple ways I might: <https://youtu.be/NPM_WldEBs0>.
>>>>
>>>> * Make a screencast with cursor replacement / resizing (post
>>>> production), window highlighting, zooming, arbitrary area highlighting.
>>>> For me these were done just to show something else:
>>>> <https://youtu.be/aSNpnYpmKag>. I have many other options but picked
>>>> these because they fit the real-world example I did shortly before
>>>> coming up with the task.
>>>>
>>>> * From an image of a forest, automate creation of lines showing borders
>>>> of where the trees are. Example of what I was able to do here:
>>>> <http://imgur.com/a/xdOpx>. No solution was shown for Linux.
>>>>
>>>> * Getting a WayBackArchive page and getting images of all links, the
>>>> HTML validation and CSS validation from W3.org, and a active link to
>>>> the archive page, as I did here (does not have to look the exact same,
>>>> of course):
>>>> <http://tmp.gallopinginsanity.com/sandman/sandman-archive.pdf>.
>>>>
>>>> * Starting with a spreadsheet 3D chart, have it be animated, including
>>>> with the top range expanding as needed and a color change with the
>>>> bar. More details here: <http://tmp.gallopinginsanity.com/bar512>
>>>> (also shows Owl's solution). Marek tried but gave up and tried on a
>>>> competing system. And still failed.
>>>>
>>>> * Make a video with an image appears to stay still even as the video
>>>> bounces some, and have the image disappear in a come-and-go fashion
>>>> sort of like seen on Doctor Who, and add multiple layers of sound. My
>>>> end result here: <https://youtu.be/jYqMGjGiqHg>.
>>>>
>>>> * Write a script that monitors VPN connections: if the connection
>>>> terminates the applications using that connection also terminate. Also
>>>> have the script detect apps not wanted to go over the VPN and end the
>>>> connection when appropriate. Challenge from Marek -- few took it on, but
>>>> Marek says he pays about $2000/year for VPN services, so makes sense why
>>>> others have not done it! I did end up with a VPN service and once I had
>>>> that the challenge was pretty trivial: <https://youtu.be/CSJ_NgWE_ro>.
>>>> There are, of course, much better ways to achieve the goals Marek states.
>>>>
>>>> * Do a search for a number of names (or other terms) and each letter of
>>>> the alphabet to see suggested searches are for each letter. My results
>>>> are here: <https://youtu.be/QmUPMhiyIKE>. Owl also presented a solution
>>>> for Linux (lost the link but it worked). Peter Köhlmann failed to
>>>> recognize it as a repetitive / scripting challenge and thought it was
>>>> about special search results per OS. Weird.
>>>>
>>>> * Create a bunch of folders as a general user would (GUI and no
>>>> scripting) <https://youtu.be/r-Web_U_HeU>. Nobody else in COLA
>>>> provided a solution: both Owl and Marek showed scripts (they could not
>>>> find a good method).
>>>>
>>>> * Download as PDFs all the recipes from the homepage of allrecipes.com
>>>> (Owl is the one who suggested this). Here is one of several versions I
>>>> did: <https://youtu.be/_J4PppWroWY>. Mine not only worked, but the PDF
>>>> had selectable text and allowed me to do quick searches on ingredients
>>>> and the like... something Owl was never able to do on Linux. Worked so
>>>> well that he and Peter Köhlmann insisted it must have been faked.
>>>>
>>>> * Owl created a similar challenge: script multiple-folder creation and
>>>> include some questions. Owl's solution: <https://vid.me/BjHo>. Snit's
>>>> solution: <https://youtu.be/ZIm1-X-ZugM>.
>>>>
>>>> * Owl's: Open terminal windows with colors to match the current
>>>> background image, but which are not the same as each other. Owl created
>>>> 52K launchers which are tied to colors, and then selects a launcher
>>>> (color) manually with the idea this let him avoid manually selecting
>>>> colors (?!): <https://vid.me/Ifdo>. I automated my solution -- can use
>>>> exact colors from images or approximate for more variability (and sets
>>>> text color based on brightness), fully automated -- video shows creation
>>>> of 50 with changing background: <http://youtu.be/B5pQlJNWnWM>
>>>>
>>>> * Rename / move an open word processor file:
>>>> Snit's <https://youtu.be/7BnKhLuW8nM?t=32s> (quick and elegant)
>>>> Owl's: <http://youtu.be/W15g0TwA_E0> (leads to loss of data!)
>>>>
>>>> * This was specifically for Owl (something I do not do often). I
>>>> challenged Owl that I can "show" anything in Numbers that he can show SC
>>>> doing. Owl showed this: <https://vid.me/Kf0cq>. I showed the same thing,
>>>> but in Numbers: <https://youtu.be/ho18yLx_HIg>. This was clearly a
>>>> sucker's bet... just having some fun given how Owl had been playing word
>>>> games and showing deep insecurity over SC not being able to do what
>>>> Numbers can, even though they hardly overlap in their capabilities
>>>> (other than to both be spreadsheets).
>>>
>>> Clearly you are looking for Linux to imitate a Mac and you carefully
>>> crafted your tests to show that.
>>> A pair of snowshoes is excellent for hiking the Rockies during winter
>>> months but not so great during the summer months.
>>> I have to say in 40 years in the computer field I have not had a situation
>>> where I have had to perform even one of your list of tasks.
>>> Ever.
>>> I'm sure an experienced Linux user could design a similar list of tasks
>>> that your Mac would trip over as well.
>> 
>> "Snit" is nothing if not monotonous. Don't worry, he'll remind you again
>> (and again) that Linux not working like a Mac is a "bug."
>> 
> 
> Why would you want Linux to work like a Mac? Do you think how macOS 
> handles things is the only good way? Just seems bizarre to me.

That's not what Ronb is saying.
He is saying that anything on another OS that doesn't work like a Mac is a
bug.
You seem fixated on things the Mac does well and that's fine but you ignore
the things other OS do well that the Mac can't.
Example, upgrades and newer hardware.
Soldered in memory and so forth.
Macs are tied to Thunderbolt.
Good luck.

Nice attempt at spin though.

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#465901

FromSnit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>
Date2018-09-04 21:39 -0700
Message-ID<fv94vnFacrqU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#465894
On 9/4/18 7:26 PM, William Barnes wrote:
> On Tue, 4 Sep 2018 17:24:31 -0700, Snit wrote:
> 
>> On 9/4/18 4:49 PM, RonB wrote:
>>> On 2018-09-04, William Barnes <idonthvanemaildou@mail.com> wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 4 Sep 2018 11:48:29 -0700, Snit wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 9/4/18 8:58 AM, SilverSlimer wrote:
>>>>>> On Tue, 04 Sep 2018 10:05:19 -0400, William Barnes wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, 4 Sep 2018 06:37:19 -0700, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 9/4/18 5:33 AM, chrisv wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Melzzzzz wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> JS has more than its share of warts but they can be avoided. This
>>>>>>>>>>>> is like Php, which has also been called crap because there's been
>>>>>>>>>>>> so much garbage code written in it... any language can be misused.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Exactly. That is why it is bad idea to run it in browser. Heck, M$
>>>>>>>>>>> had even better idea: download binary from internet and run it on
>>>>>>>>>>> local machine ;)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> How'd that work out?  :-D
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It worked-out quite well!  M$ is, of course, so much better at their
>>>>>>>>> jobs than everyone else on the planet, that they *deserve* nintey
>>>>>>>>> fscking percent of the desktop market.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> According to the "logic" of trolling idiots, anyway.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If you want desktop Linux to compete better help it improve instead of
>>>>>>>> making excuses for it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Where do you feel Linux is lacking?
>>>>>>> Be specific and market share != lacking.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'll be the first to say that it might have lacked in the past but now
>>>>>> provides a pretty stellar experience.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> Would love to see you revisit some of the past tasks that have been
>>>>> talked about. Here is my list... and notice in some Linux does show
>>>>> itself well. In others, not so much.
>>>>>
>>>>> * From a single online recipe (or art project, lesson plan, online map,
>>>>> whatever) save and email a PDF version with annotations. Now I know this
>>>>> can be done on Linux; save, open, annotate, email. Just curious to see
>>>>> how you people would generally do it and how streamlined the workflow
>>>>> would be. A couple ways I might: <https://youtu.be/NPM_WldEBs0>.
>>>>>
>>>>> * Make a screencast with cursor replacement / resizing (post
>>>>> production), window highlighting, zooming, arbitrary area highlighting.
>>>>> For me these were done just to show something else:
>>>>> <https://youtu.be/aSNpnYpmKag>. I have many other options but picked
>>>>> these because they fit the real-world example I did shortly before
>>>>> coming up with the task.
>>>>>
>>>>> * From an image of a forest, automate creation of lines showing borders
>>>>> of where the trees are. Example of what I was able to do here:
>>>>> <http://imgur.com/a/xdOpx>. No solution was shown for Linux.
>>>>>
>>>>> * Getting a WayBackArchive page and getting images of all links, the
>>>>> HTML validation and CSS validation from W3.org, and a active link to
>>>>> the archive page, as I did here (does not have to look the exact same,
>>>>> of course):
>>>>> <http://tmp.gallopinginsanity.com/sandman/sandman-archive.pdf>.
>>>>>
>>>>> * Starting with a spreadsheet 3D chart, have it be animated, including
>>>>> with the top range expanding as needed and a color change with the
>>>>> bar. More details here: <http://tmp.gallopinginsanity.com/bar512>
>>>>> (also shows Owl's solution). Marek tried but gave up and tried on a
>>>>> competing system. And still failed.
>>>>>
>>>>> * Make a video with an image appears to stay still even as the video
>>>>> bounces some, and have the image disappear in a come-and-go fashion
>>>>> sort of like seen on Doctor Who, and add multiple layers of sound. My
>>>>> end result here: <https://youtu.be/jYqMGjGiqHg>.
>>>>>
>>>>> * Write a script that monitors VPN connections: if the connection
>>>>> terminates the applications using that connection also terminate. Also
>>>>> have the script detect apps not wanted to go over the VPN and end the
>>>>> connection when appropriate. Challenge from Marek -- few took it on, but
>>>>> Marek says he pays about $2000/year for VPN services, so makes sense why
>>>>> others have not done it! I did end up with a VPN service and once I had
>>>>> that the challenge was pretty trivial: <https://youtu.be/CSJ_NgWE_ro>.
>>>>> There are, of course, much better ways to achieve the goals Marek states.
>>>>>
>>>>> * Do a search for a number of names (or other terms) and each letter of
>>>>> the alphabet to see suggested searches are for each letter. My results
>>>>> are here: <https://youtu.be/QmUPMhiyIKE>. Owl also presented a solution
>>>>> for Linux (lost the link but it worked). Peter Köhlmann failed to
>>>>> recognize it as a repetitive / scripting challenge and thought it was
>>>>> about special search results per OS. Weird.
>>>>>
>>>>> * Create a bunch of folders as a general user would (GUI and no
>>>>> scripting) <https://youtu.be/r-Web_U_HeU>. Nobody else in COLA
>>>>> provided a solution: both Owl and Marek showed scripts (they could not
>>>>> find a good method).
>>>>>
>>>>> * Download as PDFs all the recipes from the homepage of allrecipes.com
>>>>> (Owl is the one who suggested this). Here is one of several versions I
>>>>> did: <https://youtu.be/_J4PppWroWY>. Mine not only worked, but the PDF
>>>>> had selectable text and allowed me to do quick searches on ingredients
>>>>> and the like... something Owl was never able to do on Linux. Worked so
>>>>> well that he and Peter Köhlmann insisted it must have been faked.
>>>>>
>>>>> * Owl created a similar challenge: script multiple-folder creation and
>>>>> include some questions. Owl's solution: <https://vid.me/BjHo>. Snit's
>>>>> solution: <https://youtu.be/ZIm1-X-ZugM>.
>>>>>
>>>>> * Owl's: Open terminal windows with colors to match the current
>>>>> background image, but which are not the same as each other. Owl created
>>>>> 52K launchers which are tied to colors, and then selects a launcher
>>>>> (color) manually with the idea this let him avoid manually selecting
>>>>> colors (?!): <https://vid.me/Ifdo>. I automated my solution -- can use
>>>>> exact colors from images or approximate for more variability (and sets
>>>>> text color based on brightness), fully automated -- video shows creation
>>>>> of 50 with changing background: <http://youtu.be/B5pQlJNWnWM>
>>>>>
>>>>> * Rename / move an open word processor file:
>>>>> Snit's <https://youtu.be/7BnKhLuW8nM?t=32s> (quick and elegant)
>>>>> Owl's: <http://youtu.be/W15g0TwA_E0> (leads to loss of data!)
>>>>>
>>>>> * This was specifically for Owl (something I do not do often). I
>>>>> challenged Owl that I can "show" anything in Numbers that he can show SC
>>>>> doing. Owl showed this: <https://vid.me/Kf0cq>. I showed the same thing,
>>>>> but in Numbers: <https://youtu.be/ho18yLx_HIg>. This was clearly a
>>>>> sucker's bet... just having some fun given how Owl had been playing word
>>>>> games and showing deep insecurity over SC not being able to do what
>>>>> Numbers can, even though they hardly overlap in their capabilities
>>>>> (other than to both be spreadsheets).
>>>>
>>>> Clearly you are looking for Linux to imitate a Mac and you carefully
>>>> crafted your tests to show that.
>>>> A pair of snowshoes is excellent for hiking the Rockies during winter
>>>> months but not so great during the summer months.
>>>> I have to say in 40 years in the computer field I have not had a situation
>>>> where I have had to perform even one of your list of tasks.
>>>> Ever.
>>>> I'm sure an experienced Linux user could design a similar list of tasks
>>>> that your Mac would trip over as well.
>>>
>>> "Snit" is nothing if not monotonous. Don't worry, he'll remind you again
>>> (and again) that Linux not working like a Mac is a "bug."
>>>
>>
>> Why would you want Linux to work like a Mac? Do you think how macOS
>> handles things is the only good way? Just seems bizarre to me.
> 
> That's not what Ronb is saying.

Well, he thought of the idea of Linux being like a Mac and then 
projected it onto me. He tried to speak for me... but the fact is HE is 
the one who came up with the idea that Linux not working like a Mac is a 
"bug". And that is an absurd thought.

> He is saying that anything on another OS that doesn't work like a Mac is a
> bug.

He is... but then projecting it onto me.

> You seem fixated on things the Mac does well and that's fine but you ignore
> the things other OS do well that the Mac can't.

Such as? I have listed some and would LOVE to see example tasks.

> Example, upgrades and newer hardware.

Sure... and older hardware.

> Soldered in memory and so forth.

Sure... and cost of acquisition. Also *many* number crunching tasks, and 
most things best handled by the command line. Notice I speak not just of 
hardware but software... and task completion. Linux kicks macOS's bug in 
many such tasks.

> Macs are tied to Thunderbolt.
> Good luck.
> 
> Nice attempt at spin though.

I am noting how RonB came up with the idea of Linux not being like a Mac 
being a "bug". And he did.




-- 
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They 
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel 
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

<https://youtu.be/H4NW-Cqh308>

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#465903

FromSteve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com>
Date2018-09-04 22:03 -0700
Message-ID<712624b6-7b08-467e-b56b-ce674946b08b@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#465901
On Tuesday, September 4, 2018 at 9:39:23 PM UTC-7, Snit wrote:
> On 9/4/18 7:26 PM, William Barnes wrote:
> > On Tue, 4 Sep 2018 17:24:31 -0700, Snit wrote:
> > 
> >> On 9/4/18 4:49 PM, RonB wrote:
> >>> On 2018-09-04, William Barnes <idonthvanemaildou@mail.com> wrote:
> >>>> On Tue, 4 Sep 2018 11:48:29 -0700, Snit wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> On 9/4/18 8:58 AM, SilverSlimer wrote:
> >>>>>> On Tue, 04 Sep 2018 10:05:19 -0400, William Barnes wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Tue, 4 Sep 2018 06:37:19 -0700, Snit wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On 9/4/18 5:33 AM, chrisv wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Melzzzzz wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> JS has more than its share of warts but they can be avoided. This
> >>>>>>>>>>>> is like Php, which has also been called crap because there's been
> >>>>>>>>>>>> so much garbage code written in it... any language can be misused.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Exactly. That is why it is bad idea to run it in browser. Heck, M$
> >>>>>>>>>>> had even better idea: download binary from internet and run it on
> >>>>>>>>>>> local machine ;)
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> How'd that work out?  :-D
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> It worked-out quite well!  M$ is, of course, so much better at their
> >>>>>>>>> jobs than everyone else on the planet, that they *deserve* nintey
> >>>>>>>>> fscking percent of the desktop market.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> According to the "logic" of trolling idiots, anyway.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> If you want desktop Linux to compete better help it improve instead of
> >>>>>>>> making excuses for it.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Where do you feel Linux is lacking?
> >>>>>>> Be specific and market share != lacking.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I'll be the first to say that it might have lacked in the past but now
> >>>>>> provides a pretty stellar experience.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> Would love to see you revisit some of the past tasks that have been
> >>>>> talked about. Here is my list... and notice in some Linux does show
> >>>>> itself well. In others, not so much.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> * From a single online recipe (or art project, lesson plan, online map,
> >>>>> whatever) save and email a PDF version with annotations. Now I know this
> >>>>> can be done on Linux; save, open, annotate, email. Just curious to see
> >>>>> how you people would generally do it and how streamlined the workflow
> >>>>> would be. A couple ways I might: <https://youtu.be/NPM_WldEBs0>.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> * Make a screencast with cursor replacement / resizing (post
> >>>>> production), window highlighting, zooming, arbitrary area highlighting.
> >>>>> For me these were done just to show something else:
> >>>>> <https://youtu.be/aSNpnYpmKag>. I have many other options but picked
> >>>>> these because they fit the real-world example I did shortly before
> >>>>> coming up with the task.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> * From an image of a forest, automate creation of lines showing borders
> >>>>> of where the trees are. Example of what I was able to do here:
> >>>>> <http://imgur.com/a/xdOpx>. No solution was shown for Linux.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> * Getting a WayBackArchive page and getting images of all links, the
> >>>>> HTML validation and CSS validation from W3.org, and a active link to
> >>>>> the archive page, as I did here (does not have to look the exact same,
> >>>>> of course):
> >>>>> <http://tmp.gallopinginsanity.com/sandman/sandman-archive.pdf>.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> * Starting with a spreadsheet 3D chart, have it be animated, including
> >>>>> with the top range expanding as needed and a color change with the
> >>>>> bar. More details here: <http://tmp.gallopinginsanity.com/bar512>
> >>>>> (also shows Owl's solution). Marek tried but gave up and tried on a
> >>>>> competing system. And still failed.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> * Make a video with an image appears to stay still even as the video
> >>>>> bounces some, and have the image disappear in a come-and-go fashion
> >>>>> sort of like seen on Doctor Who, and add multiple layers of sound. My
> >>>>> end result here: <https://youtu.be/jYqMGjGiqHg>.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> * Write a script that monitors VPN connections: if the connection
> >>>>> terminates the applications using that connection also terminate. Also
> >>>>> have the script detect apps not wanted to go over the VPN and end the
> >>>>> connection when appropriate. Challenge from Marek -- few took it on, but
> >>>>> Marek says he pays about $2000/year for VPN services, so makes sense why
> >>>>> others have not done it! I did end up with a VPN service and once I had
> >>>>> that the challenge was pretty trivial: <https://youtu.be/CSJ_NgWE_ro>.
> >>>>> There are, of course, much better ways to achieve the goals Marek states.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> * Do a search for a number of names (or other terms) and each letter of
> >>>>> the alphabet to see suggested searches are for each letter. My results
> >>>>> are here: <https://youtu.be/QmUPMhiyIKE>. Owl also presented a solution
> >>>>> for Linux (lost the link but it worked). Peter Köhlmann failed to
> >>>>> recognize it as a repetitive / scripting challenge and thought it was
> >>>>> about special search results per OS. Weird.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> * Create a bunch of folders as a general user would (GUI and no
> >>>>> scripting) <https://youtu.be/r-Web_U_HeU>. Nobody else in COLA
> >>>>> provided a solution: both Owl and Marek showed scripts (they could not
> >>>>> find a good method).
> >>>>>
> >>>>> * Download as PDFs all the recipes from the homepage of allrecipes.com
> >>>>> (Owl is the one who suggested this). Here is one of several versions I
> >>>>> did: <https://youtu.be/_J4PppWroWY>. Mine not only worked, but the PDF
> >>>>> had selectable text and allowed me to do quick searches on ingredients
> >>>>> and the like... something Owl was never able to do on Linux. Worked so
> >>>>> well that he and Peter Köhlmann insisted it must have been faked.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> * Owl created a similar challenge: script multiple-folder creation and
> >>>>> include some questions. Owl's solution: <https://vid.me/BjHo>. Snit's
> >>>>> solution: <https://youtu.be/ZIm1-X-ZugM>.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> * Owl's: Open terminal windows with colors to match the current
> >>>>> background image, but which are not the same as each other. Owl created
> >>>>> 52K launchers which are tied to colors, and then selects a launcher
> >>>>> (color) manually with the idea this let him avoid manually selecting
> >>>>> colors (?!): <https://vid.me/Ifdo>. I automated my solution -- can use
> >>>>> exact colors from images or approximate for more variability (and sets
> >>>>> text color based on brightness), fully automated -- video shows creation
> >>>>> of 50 with changing background: <http://youtu.be/B5pQlJNWnWM>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> * Rename / move an open word processor file:
> >>>>> Snit's <https://youtu.be/7BnKhLuW8nM?t=32s> (quick and elegant)
> >>>>> Owl's: <http://youtu.be/W15g0TwA_E0> (leads to loss of data!)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> * This was specifically for Owl (something I do not do often). I
> >>>>> challenged Owl that I can "show" anything in Numbers that he can show SC
> >>>>> doing. Owl showed this: <https://vid.me/Kf0cq>. I showed the same thing,
> >>>>> but in Numbers: <https://youtu.be/ho18yLx_HIg>. This was clearly a
> >>>>> sucker's bet... just having some fun given how Owl had been playing word
> >>>>> games and showing deep insecurity over SC not being able to do what
> >>>>> Numbers can, even though they hardly overlap in their capabilities
> >>>>> (other than to both be spreadsheets).
> >>>>
> >>>> Clearly you are looking for Linux to imitate a Mac and you carefully
> >>>> crafted your tests to show that.
> >>>> A pair of snowshoes is excellent for hiking the Rockies during winter
> >>>> months but not so great during the summer months.
> >>>> I have to say in 40 years in the computer field I have not had a situation
> >>>> where I have had to perform even one of your list of tasks.
> >>>> Ever.
> >>>> I'm sure an experienced Linux user could design a similar list of tasks
> >>>> that your Mac would trip over as well.
> >>>
> >>> "Snit" is nothing if not monotonous. Don't worry, he'll remind you again
> >>> (and again) that Linux not working like a Mac is a "bug."
> >>>
> >>
> >> Why would you want Linux to work like a Mac? Do you think how macOS
> >> handles things is the only good way? Just seems bizarre to me.
> > 
> > That's not what Ronb is saying.
> 
> Well, he thought of the idea of Linux being like a Mac and then 
> projected it onto me. He tried to speak for me... but the fact is HE is 
> the one who came up with the idea that Linux not working like a Mac is a 
> "bug". And that is an absurd thought.
> 
> > He is saying that anything on another OS that doesn't work like a Mac is a
> > bug.
> 
> He is... but then projecting it onto me.
> 
> > You seem fixated on things the Mac does well and that's fine but you ignore
> > the things other OS do well that the Mac can't.
> 
> Such as? I have listed some and would LOVE to see example tasks.
> 
> > Example, upgrades and newer hardware.
> 
> Sure... and older hardware.
> 
> > Soldered in memory and so forth.
> 
> Sure... and cost of acquisition. Also *many* number crunching tasks, and 
> most things best handled by the command line. Notice I speak not just of 
> hardware but software... and task completion. Linux kicks macOS's bug in 
> many such tasks.
> 
> > Macs are tied to Thunderbolt.
> > Good luck.
> > 
> > Nice attempt at spin though.
> 
> I am noting how RonB came up with the idea of Linux not being like a Mac 
> being a "bug". And he did.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They 
> cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel 
> somehow superior by attacking the messenger.
> 
> They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
> 
> <https://youtu.be/H4NW-Cqh308>



You've proven only what a moron you are. Of course my first statement stands sincere and correct. 

Sockboy has yet to show how any Linux program does anything above the basics on Linux. No one who isn't just using you for criminal advantage (isn't a sock) sees you as anything remotely close to honest. You have no one but yourself to point to for that. 



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#465929

Fromchrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid>
Date2018-09-05 07:03 -0500
Message-ID<nrgvodp82goes38m7ma7aes8nhkij3q6gn@4ax.com>
In reply to#465894
William Barnes wrote:

> some thing wrote:
>>
>> RonB wrote:
>>> 
>>> "Snit" is nothing if not monotonous. Don't worry, he'll remind you again
>>> (and again) that Linux not working like a Mac is a "bug."
>> 
>> Why would you want Linux to work like a Mac? Do you think how macOS 
>> handles things is the only good way? Just seems bizarre to me.
>
>That's not what Ronb is saying.

Duh.  Some of us think that attacking someone with such blatant,
ridiculous dishonesty warrants immediate plonking.

>Nice attempt at spin though.

No.  A rather pathetic trolling attempt, actually.  I don't know why
many seemingly reasonable people, over the years, have been willing to
engage with it.

-- 
"your herd insisted Linus Torvalds invented the computer."  -  some
thing, lying shamelessly (but no one can quote it lying)

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#465931

Fromchrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid>
Date2018-09-05 07:09 -0500
Message-ID<cmhvod9psvj3l6r4oii89r0abo0n0jaii3@4ax.com>
In reply to#465929
chrisv wrote:

>No.

Hmm...  Apparently I forgot to actually KF "William" yesterday.

-- 
"Of course they'll always say they use kill files, but how can they if
they are using windows?"  -  some stupid POS that called itself
"GreyCloud"

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#465942

FromSnit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>
Date2018-09-05 07:36 -0700
Message-ID<fva7vvFhaqiU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#465929
On 9/5/18 5:03 AM, chrisv wrote:
> William Barnes wrote:
> 
>> some thing wrote:
>>>
>>> RonB wrote:
>>>>
>>>> "Snit" is nothing if not monotonous. Don't worry, he'll remind you again
>>>> (and again) that Linux not working like a Mac is a "bug."
>>>
>>> Why would you want Linux to work like a Mac? Do you think how macOS
>>> handles things is the only good way? Just seems bizarre to me.
>>
>> That's not what Ronb is saying.
> 
> Duh.  Some of us think that attacking someone with such blatant,
> ridiculous dishonesty warrants immediate plonking.
> 
>> Nice attempt at spin though.
> 
> No.  A rather pathetic trolling attempt, actually.  I don't know why
> many seemingly reasonable people, over the years, have been willing to
> engage with it.

It is simply a fact that RonB is the one who brought up the bizarre idea 
that Linux not acting like a Mac is a "bug". It is an absurd claim. The 
fact he falsely attributed it to me does not in any way change the fact 
that it is HIS idea.

If you really think such "blatant, ridiculous dishonesty warrants 
immediate plonking" then by all means plonk RonB. I will continue to 
feel free to respond to his lies and his obsession with me.

-- 
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They 
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel 
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

<https://youtu.be/H4NW-Cqh308>

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#465945

FromSteve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com>
Date2018-09-05 07:55 -0700
Message-ID<668e1eed-f5b6-4441-a2f0-90a84e7906d5@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#465942
On Wednesday, September 5, 2018 at 7:36:51 AM UTC-7, Snit wrote:
> On 9/5/18 5:03 AM, chrisv wrote:
> > William Barnes wrote:
> > 
> >> some thing wrote:
> >>>
> >>> RonB wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> "Snit" is nothing if not monotonous. Don't worry, he'll remind you again
> >>>> (and again) that Linux not working like a Mac is a "bug."
> >>>
> >>> Why would you want Linux to work like a Mac? Do you think how macOS
> >>> handles things is the only good way? Just seems bizarre to me.
> >>
> >> That's not what Ronb is saying.
> > 
> > Duh.  Some of us think that attacking someone with such blatant,
> > ridiculous dishonesty warrants immediate plonking.
> > 
> >> Nice attempt at spin though.
> > 
> > No.  A rather pathetic trolling attempt, actually.  I don't know why
> > many seemingly reasonable people, over the years, have been willing to
> > engage with it.
> 
> It is simply a fact that RonB is the one who brought up the bizarre idea 
> that Linux not acting like a Mac is a "bug". It is an absurd claim. The 
> fact he falsely attributed it to me does not in any way change the fact 
> that it is HIS idea.
> 
> If you really think such "blatant, ridiculous dishonesty warrants 
> immediate plonking" then by all means plonk RonB. I will continue to 
> feel free to respond to his lies and his obsession with me.
> 
> -- 
> Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They 
> cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel 
> somehow superior by attacking the messenger.
> 
> They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
> 
> <https://youtu.be/H4NW-Cqh308>



Ha, ha! So, yeah, I buy into my own fiction, fully knowing it is not real, because it makes me reconsider my program, improving it. Frankly I do not really think you understand. The entire farce is full of ridiculous gaps and leans heavily on Klaus 'The Flooder' Schadenfreude's 'many certificates' nonsense. 

But Klaus 'The Flooder' Schadenfreude feels the need to please the herd. So be it. Besides Klaus 'The Flooder' Schadenfreude, who doesn't know what I'm doing? 

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#465956

FromSilverSlimer <silver@slim.er>
Date2018-09-05 16:47 +0000
Message-ID<GMTjD.57073$Vl2.51539@fx46.iad>
In reply to#465894
On Tue, 04 Sep 2018 22:26:36 -0400, William Barnes wrote:

> On Tue, 4 Sep 2018 17:24:31 -0700, Snit wrote:
> 
>> On 9/4/18 4:49 PM, RonB wrote:
>>> On 2018-09-04, William Barnes <idonthvanemaildou@mail.com> wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 4 Sep 2018 11:48:29 -0700, Snit wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 9/4/18 8:58 AM, SilverSlimer wrote:
>>>>>> On Tue, 04 Sep 2018 10:05:19 -0400, William Barnes wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, 4 Sep 2018 06:37:19 -0700, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 9/4/18 5:33 AM, chrisv wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Melzzzzz wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> JS has more than its share of warts but they can be avoided.
>>>>>>>>>>>> This is like Php, which has also been called crap because
>>>>>>>>>>>> there's been so much garbage code written in it... any
>>>>>>>>>>>> language can be misused.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Exactly. That is why it is bad idea to run it in browser.
>>>>>>>>>>> Heck, M$
>>>>>>>>>>> had even better idea: download binary from internet and run it
>>>>>>>>>>> on local machine ;)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> How'd that work out?  :-D
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It worked-out quite well!  M$ is, of course, so much better at
>>>>>>>>> their jobs than everyone else on the planet, that they *deserve*
>>>>>>>>> nintey fscking percent of the desktop market.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> According to the "logic" of trolling idiots, anyway.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If you want desktop Linux to compete better help it improve
>>>>>>>> instead of making excuses for it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Where do you feel Linux is lacking?
>>>>>>> Be specific and market share != lacking.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'll be the first to say that it might have lacked in the past but
>>>>>> now provides a pretty stellar experience.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> Would love to see you revisit some of the past tasks that have been
>>>>> talked about. Here is my list... and notice in some Linux does show
>>>>> itself well. In others, not so much.
>>>>>
>>>>> * From a single online recipe (or art project, lesson plan, online
>>>>> map, whatever) save and email a PDF version with annotations. Now I
>>>>> know this can be done on Linux; save, open, annotate, email. Just
>>>>> curious to see how you people would generally do it and how
>>>>> streamlined the workflow would be. A couple ways I might:
>>>>> <https://youtu.be/NPM_WldEBs0>.
>>>>>
>>>>> * Make a screencast with cursor replacement / resizing (post
>>>>> production), window highlighting, zooming, arbitrary area
>>>>> highlighting. For me these were done just to show something else:
>>>>> <https://youtu.be/aSNpnYpmKag>. I have many other options but picked
>>>>> these because they fit the real-world example I did shortly before
>>>>> coming up with the task.
>>>>>
>>>>> * From an image of a forest, automate creation of lines showing
>>>>> borders of where the trees are. Example of what I was able to do
>>>>> here: <http://imgur.com/a/xdOpx>. No solution was shown for Linux.
>>>>>
>>>>> * Getting a WayBackArchive page and getting images of all links, the
>>>>> HTML validation and CSS validation from W3.org, and a active link to
>>>>> the archive page, as I did here (does not have to look the exact
>>>>> same, of course):
>>>>> <http://tmp.gallopinginsanity.com/sandman/sandman-archive.pdf>.
>>>>>
>>>>> * Starting with a spreadsheet 3D chart, have it be animated,
>>>>> including with the top range expanding as needed and a color change
>>>>> with the bar. More details here:
>>>>> <http://tmp.gallopinginsanity.com/bar512>
>>>>> (also shows Owl's solution). Marek tried but gave up and tried on a
>>>>> competing system. And still failed.
>>>>>
>>>>> * Make a video with an image appears to stay still even as the video
>>>>> bounces some, and have the image disappear in a come-and-go fashion
>>>>> sort of like seen on Doctor Who, and add multiple layers of sound.
>>>>> My end result here: <https://youtu.be/jYqMGjGiqHg>.
>>>>>
>>>>> * Write a script that monitors VPN connections: if the connection
>>>>> terminates the applications using that connection also terminate.
>>>>> Also have the script detect apps not wanted to go over the VPN and
>>>>> end the connection when appropriate. Challenge from Marek -- few
>>>>> took it on, but Marek says he pays about $2000/year for VPN
>>>>> services, so makes sense why others have not done it! I did end up
>>>>> with a VPN service and once I had that the challenge was pretty
>>>>> trivial: <https://youtu.be/CSJ_NgWE_ro>. There are, of course, much
>>>>> better ways to achieve the goals Marek states.
>>>>>
>>>>> * Do a search for a number of names (or other terms) and each letter
>>>>> of the alphabet to see suggested searches are for each letter. My
>>>>> results are here: <https://youtu.be/QmUPMhiyIKE>. Owl also presented
>>>>> a solution for Linux (lost the link but it worked). Peter Köhlmann
>>>>> failed to recognize it as a repetitive / scripting challenge and
>>>>> thought it was about special search results per OS. Weird.
>>>>>
>>>>> * Create a bunch of folders as a general user would (GUI and no
>>>>> scripting) <https://youtu.be/r-Web_U_HeU>. Nobody else in COLA
>>>>> provided a solution: both Owl and Marek showed scripts (they could
>>>>> not find a good method).
>>>>>
>>>>> * Download as PDFs all the recipes from the homepage of
>>>>> allrecipes.com (Owl is the one who suggested this). Here is one of
>>>>> several versions I did: <https://youtu.be/_J4PppWroWY>. Mine not
>>>>> only worked, but the PDF had selectable text and allowed me to do
>>>>> quick searches on ingredients and the like... something Owl was
>>>>> never able to do on Linux. Worked so well that he and Peter Köhlmann
>>>>> insisted it must have been faked.
>>>>>
>>>>> * Owl created a similar challenge: script multiple-folder creation
>>>>> and include some questions. Owl's solution: <https://vid.me/BjHo>.
>>>>> Snit's solution: <https://youtu.be/ZIm1-X-ZugM>.
>>>>>
>>>>> * Owl's: Open terminal windows with colors to match the current
>>>>> background image, but which are not the same as each other. Owl
>>>>> created 52K launchers which are tied to colors, and then selects a
>>>>> launcher (color) manually with the idea this let him avoid manually
>>>>> selecting colors (?!): <https://vid.me/Ifdo>. I automated my
>>>>> solution -- can use exact colors from images or approximate for more
>>>>> variability (and sets text color based on brightness), fully
>>>>> automated -- video shows creation of 50 with changing background:
>>>>> <http://youtu.be/B5pQlJNWnWM>
>>>>>
>>>>> * Rename / move an open word processor file:
>>>>> Snit's <https://youtu.be/7BnKhLuW8nM?t=32s> (quick and elegant)
>>>>> Owl's: <http://youtu.be/W15g0TwA_E0> (leads to loss of data!)
>>>>>
>>>>> * This was specifically for Owl (something I do not do often). I
>>>>> challenged Owl that I can "show" anything in Numbers that he can
>>>>> show SC doing. Owl showed this: <https://vid.me/Kf0cq>. I showed the
>>>>> same thing, but in Numbers: <https://youtu.be/ho18yLx_HIg>. This was
>>>>> clearly a sucker's bet... just having some fun given how Owl had
>>>>> been playing word games and showing deep insecurity over SC not
>>>>> being able to do what Numbers can, even though they hardly overlap
>>>>> in their capabilities (other than to both be spreadsheets).
>>>>
>>>> Clearly you are looking for Linux to imitate a Mac and you carefully
>>>> crafted your tests to show that.
>>>> A pair of snowshoes is excellent for hiking the Rockies during winter
>>>> months but not so great during the summer months.
>>>> I have to say in 40 years in the computer field I have not had a
>>>> situation where I have had to perform even one of your list of tasks.
>>>> Ever.
>>>> I'm sure an experienced Linux user could design a similar list of
>>>> tasks that your Mac would trip over as well.
>>> 
>>> "Snit" is nothing if not monotonous. Don't worry, he'll remind you
>>> again (and again) that Linux not working like a Mac is a "bug."
>>> 
>>> 
>> Why would you want Linux to work like a Mac? Do you think how macOS
>> handles things is the only good way? Just seems bizarre to me.
> 
> That's not what Ronb is saying.
> He is saying that anything on another OS that doesn't work like a Mac is
> a bug.
> You seem fixated on things the Mac does well and that's fine but you
> ignore the things other OS do well that the Mac can't.
> Example, upgrades and newer hardware.
> Soldered in memory and so forth.

Soldered-on memory should have died with the 1980s. It's very sad that 
the Communists at Apple still think that the inability to upgrade or 
remove faulty memory in exchange for a thinner design is a great deal.

> Macs are tied to Thunderbolt.
> Good luck.
> 
> Nice attempt at spin though.

Thunderbolt is a fantastic format that nobody other than Apple is 
interested in supporting...



-- 
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