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| Started by | DFS <nospam@nospam.com> |
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| First post | 2018-08-10 09:15 -0400 |
| Last post | 2018-08-11 01:57 -0700 |
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Trump vs shitv DFS <nospam@nospam.com> - 2018-08-10 09:15 -0400
Re: Trump vs shitv owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-08-10 14:11 +0000
Trump the liar chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-08-10 09:18 -0500
Re: Trump the liar owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-08-10 14:45 +0000
Re: Trump the liar SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-08-10 14:59 +0000
Re: Trump the liar owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-08-10 15:10 +0000
Re: Trump the liar SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-08-10 15:46 +0000
Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-10 08:24 -0700
Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-08-10 08:43 -0700
Re: Trump the liar chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-08-10 10:17 -0500
Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-10 08:21 -0700
Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-08-10 08:28 -0700
Re: Trump the liar owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-08-10 15:29 +0000
Re: Trump the liar SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-08-10 15:48 +0000
Re: Trump the liar owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-08-10 16:47 +0000
Re: Trump the liar chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-08-10 12:46 -0500
Re: Trump the liar owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-08-10 18:11 +0000
Re: Trump the liar chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-08-10 13:24 -0500
Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-08-10 11:35 -0700
Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-08-10 11:51 -0700
Re: Trump the liar owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-08-10 18:53 +0000
Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-08-10 12:22 -0700
Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-10 16:01 -0700
Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-10 16:02 -0700
Re: Trump the liar chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-08-14 07:39 -0500
Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-14 06:52 -0700
Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-08-14 08:15 -0700
Re: Trump the liar vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2018-08-14 15:21 +0000
Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-08-14 09:26 -0700
Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-14 19:32 +0000
Re: Trump the liar Helinka Svoboda <helinkasvoboda@protestant.com> - 2018-08-15 00:35 +0000
Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-08-14 08:44 -0700
Re: Trump the liar chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-08-14 12:07 -0500
Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-08-14 10:21 -0700
Re: Trump the liar chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-08-14 13:19 -0500
Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-08-14 12:29 -0700
Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-14 19:38 +0000
Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-08-14 12:54 -0700
Re: Trump the liar chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-08-16 08:53 -0500
Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-08-16 07:18 -0700
Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-16 08:18 -0700
Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-08-16 08:52 -0700
Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-08-16 08:52 -0700
Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-08-16 08:54 -0700
Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-16 10:56 -0700
Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-08-16 11:14 -0700
Re: Trump the liar Chuck Chop <"butwaitthere is more"@ginsu.org> - 2018-08-16 21:24 -0400
Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-16 19:11 -0700
Re: Trump the liar Chuck Chop <"butwaitthere is more"@ginsu.org> - 2018-08-16 22:38 -0400
Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-16 10:55 -0700
Re: Trump the liar Andrzej Matuch <a.m@vt.ca> - 2018-08-17 12:47 +0000
Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-08-17 06:16 -0700
Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-17 08:51 -0700
Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-08-17 09:06 -0700
Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-14 19:32 +0000
Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-14 19:32 +0000
Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-14 19:32 +0000
Re: Trump the liar -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2018-08-14 11:14 -0700
Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-08-14 12:25 -0700
Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-14 19:38 +0000
Re: Trump the liar -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2018-08-14 14:00 -0700
Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-08-14 14:28 -0700
Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-08-14 15:20 -0700
Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-08-14 15:46 -0700
Re: Trump the liar vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2018-08-15 00:24 +0000
Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-08-14 17:52 -0700
Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-08-14 18:22 -0700
Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-08-14 18:40 -0700
Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-08-14 19:04 -0700
Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-08-14 19:43 -0700
Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-14 19:16 -0700
Re: Trump the liar -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2018-08-14 19:48 -0700
Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-08-14 20:09 -0700
Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-14 20:23 -0700
Re: Trump the liar -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2018-08-15 03:28 -0700
Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-08-15 03:47 -0700
Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-08-15 06:22 -0700
Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-08-15 08:13 -0700
Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-08-15 08:56 -0700
Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-15 09:44 -0700
Re: Trump the liar -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2018-08-15 11:20 -0700
Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-08-15 11:48 -0700
Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-08-15 12:19 -0700
Re: Trump the liar -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2018-08-15 13:17 -0700
Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-08-15 13:54 -0700
Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-08-15 14:07 -0700
Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-15 14:28 -0700
Re: Trump the liar -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2018-08-16 04:11 -0700
Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-08-16 04:27 -0700
Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-16 06:29 -0700
Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-08-16 06:47 -0700
Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-08-16 08:46 -0700
Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-16 08:56 -0700
Re: Trump the liar -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2018-08-16 09:35 -0700
Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-08-16 09:55 -0700
Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-08-16 10:52 -0700
Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-16 12:20 -0700
Re: Trump the liar -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2018-08-16 13:09 -0700
Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-16 13:30 -0700
Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-08-16 13:35 -0700
Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-08-16 13:40 -0700
Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-16 14:04 -0700
Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-08-16 14:22 -0700
Re: Trump the liar -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2018-08-16 15:05 -0700
Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-08-16 15:26 -0700
Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-16 16:17 -0700
Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-08-16 16:30 -0700
Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-16 16:44 -0700
Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-08-16 17:14 -0700
Re: Trump the liar -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2018-08-17 03:57 -0700
Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-17 07:36 -0700
Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-08-17 07:38 -0700
Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-17 09:03 -0700
Re: Trump the liar -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2018-08-20 07:03 -0700
Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-20 07:11 -0700
Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-08-20 08:32 -0700
Re: Trump the liar -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2018-08-20 10:13 -0700
Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-08-20 10:34 -0700
Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-20 10:48 -0700
Re: Trump the liar -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2018-08-20 13:21 -0700
Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-08-20 14:29 -0700
Re: Trump the liar -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2018-08-20 15:22 -0700
Re: Trump the liar Helinka Svoboda <helinkasvoboda@protestant.com> - 2018-08-20 22:30 +0000
Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-08-20 15:43 -0700
Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-08-20 16:34 -0700
Re: Trump the liar Helinka Svoboda <helinkasvoboda@protestant.com> - 2018-08-20 23:46 +0000
Re: Trump the liar Chuck Chop <"butwaitthere is more"@ginsu.org> - 2018-08-20 20:03 -0400
Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-08-20 17:21 -0700
Re: Trump the liar Chuck Chop <"butwaitthere is more"@ginsu.org> - 2018-08-20 20:33 -0400
Re: Trump the liar Helinka Svoboda <helinkasvoboda@protestant.com> - 2018-08-21 00:35 +0000
Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-08-20 18:47 -0700
Re: Trump the liar SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-08-21 11:43 +0000
Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-08-21 05:01 -0700
Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-08-21 08:14 -0700
Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-08-21 08:23 -0700
Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-21 08:25 -0700
Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-21 08:20 -0700
Re: Trump the liar -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2018-08-20 18:48 -0700
Re: Trump the liar Helinka Svoboda <helinkasvoboda@protestant.com> - 2018-08-21 02:29 +0000
Re: Trump the liar -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2018-08-21 03:33 -0700
Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-08-21 03:58 -0700
Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-08-21 04:30 -0700
Re: Trump the liar Helinka Svoboda <helinkasvoboda@protestant.com> - 2018-08-21 14:08 +0000
Re: Trump the liar Chuck Chop <"butwaitthere is more"@ginsu.org> - 2018-08-21 10:11 -0400
Re: Trump the liar Helinka Svoboda <helinkasvoboda@protestant.com> - 2018-08-21 14:14 +0000
Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-08-21 07:37 -0700
Re: Trump the liar SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-08-21 14:30 +0000
Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-08-21 08:03 -0700
Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-21 08:18 -0700
Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-21 08:46 -0700
Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-20 20:03 -0700
Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-08-20 20:05 -0700
Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-20 20:18 -0700
Re: Trump the liar -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2018-08-21 03:56 -0700
Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-08-21 08:03 -0700
Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-21 08:35 -0700
Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-21 08:45 -0700
Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-21 08:52 -0700
Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-20 20:01 -0700
Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-20 19:58 -0700
Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-20 20:11 -0700
Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-20 19:45 -0700
Re: Trump the liar Chuck Chop <"butwaitthere is more"@ginsu.org> - 2018-08-20 22:54 -0400
Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-21 08:49 -0700
Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-20 20:14 -0700
Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-08-20 10:40 -0700
Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-20 10:50 -0700
Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-20 10:51 -0700
Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-08-20 11:18 -0700
Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-20 10:36 -0700
Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-08-20 11:03 -0700
Re: Trump the liar Andrzej Matuch <a.m@vt.ca> - 2018-08-17 12:59 +0000
Re: Trump the liar chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-08-17 10:42 -0500
Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-08-17 09:25 -0700
Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-17 09:35 -0700
Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-08-17 09:53 -0700
Re: Trump the liar Andrzej Matuch <a.m@vt.ca> - 2018-08-17 16:31 +0000
Re: Trump the liar -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2018-08-20 07:15 -0700
Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-20 07:18 -0700
Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-08-20 07:25 -0700
Re: Trump the liar chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-08-20 09:32 -0500
Re: Trump the liar -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2018-08-20 10:25 -0700
Re: Trump the liar chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-08-20 13:00 -0500
Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-08-20 11:24 -0700
Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-20 16:52 -0700
Re: Trump the liar chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-08-21 08:41 -0500
Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-08-20 11:50 -0700
Re: Trump the liar -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2018-08-20 13:43 -0700
Re: Trump the liar SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-08-20 21:32 +0000
Re: Trump the liar Helinka Svoboda <helinkasvoboda@protestant.com> - 2018-08-20 21:47 +0000
Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-08-20 15:12 -0700
Re: Trump the liar SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-08-20 22:49 +0000
Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-08-20 15:59 -0700
Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-08-20 16:14 -0700
Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-08-20 14:40 -0700
Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-08-20 14:56 -0700
Re: Trump the liar chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-08-21 08:08 -0500
Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-21 08:37 -0700
Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-20 20:12 -0700
Re: Trump the liar chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-08-21 08:06 -0500
Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-21 08:38 -0700
Re: Trump the liar -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2018-08-21 14:26 -0700
Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-08-21 14:36 -0700
Re: Trump the liar chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-08-22 07:08 -0500
Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-22 06:50 -0700
Re: Trump the liar DFS <nospam@nospam.com> - 2018-08-22 10:21 -0400
Re: Trump the liar -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2018-08-22 11:33 -0700
Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-17 08:52 -0700
Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-16 11:00 -0700
Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-08-16 11:30 -0700
Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-08-16 13:51 -0700
Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-15 14:14 -0700
Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-08-15 14:25 -0700
Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-15 14:07 -0700
Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-15 11:56 -0700
Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-08-15 08:53 -0700
Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-15 09:49 -0700
Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-15 09:36 -0700
Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-14 20:04 -0700
People who overdosed on drugs, and died. Jeff-Relf.Me @. - 2018-08-14 16:54 -0700
Enertainment comes first and foremost. Jeff-Relf.Me @. - 2018-08-16 16:59 -0700
Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-14 19:32 +0000
Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-08-14 12:45 -0700
Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-08-14 13:10 -0700
Re: Trump the liar -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2018-08-14 14:46 -0700
Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-08-14 15:22 -0700
Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-14 20:06 -0700
Re: Trump the liar Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2018-08-15 04:21 +0000
Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-08-15 04:49 -0700
Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-10 16:05 -0700
Re: Trump the liar SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-08-10 18:11 +0000
Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-08-10 11:20 -0700
Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-10 16:04 -0700
Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-10 16:06 -0700
Re: Trump the liar chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-08-10 10:52 -0500
Re: Trump the liar owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-08-10 16:04 +0000
Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-08-10 09:30 -0700
Re: Trump vs shitv Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-08-10 07:41 -0700
Re: Trump vs shitv SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-08-10 14:52 +0000
Re: Trump vs shitv SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-08-10 14:50 +0000
Re: Trump vs shitv Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-08-10 07:56 -0700
Re: Trump vs shitv Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-10 08:24 -0700
Trump makes people think, and it hurts their heads. Jeff-Relf.Me @. - 2018-08-11 01:22 -0700
Re: Trump makes people think, and it hurts their heads. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-08-11 01:57 -0700
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| From | Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
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| Date | 2018-08-20 20:11 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: Trump the liar |
| Message-ID | <fu1e71F4pabU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #464236 |
On 8/20/18 3:22 PM, -hh wrote: ... >>> Citation missing. >> >> In your opinion, but that Politifact story that's 1/2 true would convince >> any reasonable person that there's definitely some "harm to society". > > Citation still missing. If Carroll were sincere and honest he would just show the damned citation he thinks he has shown and not play meta-debate games. ... > The plural of anecdote still isn't data. It gets even worse. Carroll then starts to focus on the color of the people, noting they are black. THAT is what he ties to their making logical and factual errors. He is getting more desperate and his normal games of trying to be "sly" with his bigotry are slipping. The reality, of course, is people of any race or color can understand that the people with the least power cannot do what those with the most power can. And people of any race or color can make the mistake in thinking otherwise. ... > Mathematically, the number of arrests cannot exceed the number of > border crossings, and better resources logically means a higher > apprehension success rate. > > With triple the budget and more than twice as many "boots on the > ground" border agents (even before also including deployed National > Guard), there is no basis to logically conclude that the CBP force's > effectiveness in capturing crossers has declined by at least 90%, or > to have any decline at all in their performance, yet you've claimed > it is "feeble" without evidence or substantiation. The logical > explanation for 100% more agents apprehending 90% fewer immigrants > is because there's vastly fewer immigrants attempting to cross. Prepare for Carroll to stop this. My suggestion to you... take his bait as rarely as possible and just focus on the facts. As be becomes more desperate, and he will, he will spew more and more insults, side issues, and -- at least in this case -- bigoted crap. It is OK to note those things, especial his bigotry, but focus on the original topic and his original lies, not the lies he piles on non-stop. I will admit he is good at doing what Trump does and getting more and more outrageous to the point even trying to respond to all his BS wears people out. I commend you for your patience. -- Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger. They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again. <https://youtu.be/H4NW-Cqh308>
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| From | Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
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| Date | 2018-08-20 19:45 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: Trump the liar |
| Message-ID | <fu1cn3F4fu2U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #464223 |
On 8/20/18 2:29 PM, Steve Carroll wrote: ... >>>> Oh, so your claim is instead a "harm to society"? >>>> >>>> Prove it. >>> >>> I already have... but... >> >> Citation missing. > > In your opinion, but that Politifact story that's 1/2 true would convince > any reasonable person that there's definitely some "harm to society". This is another sign of your black and white thinking. As even you noted there will not be a solution that works 100%, but from what -hh has shown we have worked to make things much better. Elsewhere I have seen, and shown, that illegal immigration has been going down for years. But you like the idea of a symbolic wall. Well, you also do not like it. You really have no point. >> Oh, and this retort attempt: >> >> "Ask this guy to: >> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sh_TAo1B4T0>" >> >> does not cut it. First off, because he's not the poster >> who made the claim here on COLA. > > Correct, you're the poster who made the dishonest strawman on my > behalf. Funny how you keep trying to ignore realities that get in your > way, isn't it? You repeatedly make idiotic claims such as how -hh is backing open borders even when there is NO reason to think he is, AND he specifically told you he does not. But you lie about his view. You also refused to give simple yes or no answers (or note it is not that simple, which would be fine) but then say OTHERS should be able to figure out what you mean, but here -- as predicted -- you whine others are figuring out what you mean. >> Second, just what does such a link actually prove? > > I didn't post it to "prove" anything to you; He is speaking of LOGIC: what do you think that video is showing to back your point. You change the topic to what it means TO HIM, as though he is asking for something other than logic. No! What do you think it does to back your argument based on LOGIC! Or are you all about emotion here? > that can't be done when > you've set your mind to it. Here's another guy you can ignore: > > <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rI8xDMMNWLE> It is not "ignoring" your links where you ask people to watch videos that not even you can say how they back your claimed views. And the people you point to are looking at those with the LEAST power to blame for the problems that largely come from those with the MOST power. Do you not see how absurd that is? >> That this guy is messed up >> in the head and that's somehow linked? > > Everyone opposing your strawmen and BS is "messed up in the head" THIS IS NOT ABOUT OPPOSITION AND PERSONALITY. THIS IS ABOUT THE LOGIC OF THE ARGUMENTS. Why do you so often run to people and not ideas? > to hear you tell it. Maybe we should get a few of these guys involved > in this thread, you know, for some perspective that may be lacking. You keep point to people who look at those with the least power as the source of their problems... that is not "perspective" others are missing, it is perspective THEY are missing. Clearly. It is not even hard to see... they are very direct about it. >> A link to a guy >> making claims would only work as substantiation if the >> claim was that there's people making claims on the Internet. > > LOL! You took my words and twisted the snot out of them so > excuse me while I laugh at your bizarre idiocy here. BTW it's not > just "a guy", there are plenty to choose from. You are tracking down people who blame those with the least power for the problems tied to those with the most power... and then claiming that since people SAY it that it must be true. Meanwhile, above, you insist that logic should not be the standard used... it is utter madness. >>>>>> , particularly relevant to eighteen >>>>>> years ago, when the rates of immigration were 10x higher despite >>>>>> ~1/3rd as many enforcement resources. >>>>> >>>>> Bull. Elsewhere, I've even pointed to a left leaning source you guys favor >>>>> (Politifact), which could only claim that the spending of 300 billion annually >>>>> on immigration related issues was "half true". The numbers could actually >>>>> be larger than 300 billion once you start looking outward.... >>>> >>>> Even if the numbers are off by as much as 50%, >>> >>> Maybe they're low by more than that. >> >> Or they're higher, which weakens your case even further. > > With the "case" being the strawman you dishonestly created for me. You repeatedly avoid even saying directly what your "case" is.... asking others to guess at it. Then whining when they do. You play victim non-stop. >>>> it is still (a) more staff >>>> & budget, and (b) a huge decline from the 2000 peak. >>>> >>>> BTW, since you started to use Politifact as a reliable source: >>> >>> Nah, I'm using a source you should, were you consistent, accept. >>> >>>> "MOSTLY TRUE: Undocumented immigrants less likely to commit crimes >>>> than U.S. citizens" >>> >>> "less likely"? Can the language get any more wishy washy? >>> >>> No matter, your obvious problem here is I don't believe Politifact >>> (*especially* on this issue) , you do. >>> >>>> <https://www.politifact.com/california/statements/2017/aug/03/antonio-villaraigosa/mostly-true-undocumented-immigrants-less-likely-co/> >> >> No, a source is either trusted, or it is not: one don't get to >> pick & choose based on if you like what a part says. Choose your >> poison: it is either to accept both, or to accept neither. > > That's really weird. My (reality based) position is: Now you want to say it is "reality" that you get to deem a source liberals because they fact check and thus not to be trusted, but then elsewhere say they SHOULD be trusted. It is not as if you say they should generally be trusted but in such-and-such case you think they made a mistake. > A source is either good or bad on a given topic and it depends on what > the actual claims (as opposed to strawmen and wishy washy language) > and evidence are. But you actively reject evidence and speak of fact checking itself as biased (it is a liberal thing, hence why you cannot name any major fact checkers you think do not have a liberal bias). > For example, as to the language, your 'pants on fire' > cite wasn't worded in a way that was very convincing. The point is to explain and support... they cannot "convince" you if you have a bias you cannot see past. > IMO, Politifact > isn't quite as "fact" based as they'd have people believe, but my > opinion aside, I recognize that doesn't mean they're always wrong. You imply they are generally wrong. LOL! > The way you're suggesting, you'll blow through sources and then > you'll probably get stuck adhering to things even you know are silly > (which looks to be happening already). So you want to change topics again to find some claim from a source you think he will disagree with. Oy. >>>>>>> ... you're the guy suggesting it's no longer much of an issue. >>>>>> >>>>>> False. I've merely responded to your claims that there's a huge >>>>>> problem, including your claim that the CBP has been "feeble" in >>>>>> addressing it. >>>>>> >>>>>> I've identified your claims as unsubstantiated & in need of proof. >>>>> >>>>> Who, other than you, would I need to prove it to? >>>> >>>> No one forced you to make you public statement. >>> >>> Regarding that... AGAIN... my first paragraph to this thread: >>> >>> "I initially disagreed with the wall, I'm still not fully convinced. OTOH, >>> once one takes into consideration the annual amount spent on illegal >>> immigration, costs attempting to deal with drugs that are pouring, no >>> **flooding** across the southern border, costs of dealing with drug >>> addiction (including *loss of life, lost productivity, incarceration, etc.) >>> a wall, which we all know won't be 100% effective, looks like it could >>> be at least part of a better solution than our current, feeble attempts." >> >> Claim made: "feeble". > > Notice how you're spending so much time avoiding the *lie* you told > on my behalf, Funny how you CANNOT quote what you call my lies, but when your comments are quoted you deem noting what you said a "lie". You cannot stop playing victim. > only to focus on something that isn't really relevant and > doesn't stand a chance of being settled? Now let's see, why would you > do that? I know it'll come to me... Your view is now not relevant to your view. Wow. Even for you that is bad reasoning. >> Substantiation for claim still missing. >> >> >>> Notably, before I mentioned drugs, I first mentioned (as the bigger, more >>> expensive problem) "illegal immigration", but you went right past that. >> >> Substantiation of this "bigger" claim ... also missing. Cite please. > > The Politifact story about the annual ~$300 billion, a number that, on its > face, exceeds the drug problem. That said, I'm forced to recognize that > the numbers being tossed about in the media can't possibly tell the entire > drug related story. You're lucky, though, apparently you have no such > limitation. Ah, there are things we do not know so you want a wall you do not want but you want others to know if you want it or not or they are lying and it is their fault if they cannot figure out your convoluted contradictions and insults. Oy, part II. >>> Despite my having written a better wall (and, again, I'd be fine with a >>> better fence) "looks like it could be at least part of a better solution" >>> and that it "won't be 100% effective", you flatly lied about what I "said": >>> >>> "You've said that this all will somehow finally be solved simply >>> by throwing even more money at it even though we've already spent >>> $1T (and counting)." - hh >>> >>> Your 'argument' is built on this idiotic straw man. >> >> The only thing that you have to complain about is > > .... the fact that you set up a strawman for me right out the gate? > I wouldn't call it the only thing but it's the main thing. Ah, you are playing victim again. >> the hyperbola >> of "all will...be solved", for its a fact that there's been over >> $1T spent and some metrics have been tracked for decades, such as >> the number of CBP agents and how many arrests they make, etc. >> >>> Despite my having pointed to sources of data regarding U.S. >>> overdose problems, which are *not* limited to fentanyl, you >>> focused on fentanyl... and not just any, the Chinese stuff, >>> to the exclusion of the stuff coming from Mexico (recall the >>> article I pointed to, entitled: "Most fentanyl is seized on >>> the border"). >> >> Over 90% of the world's fentanyl comes from China. > > It might, but you stand a 0% chance of proving that (and it's > not relevant anyway). So you accept it might but you want to build a wall to keep Mexicans out (and not even the drugs, given how the wall would do little about that... heck, the wall is mostly symbolic anyway). But you deny being bigoted, eh? >> Just where >> do you think the Mexican cartels get their fentanyl from? > > Oh, well... then we're safe! YOU can seek help to be safe from your own drug issues. > You know Mexico is bordered with the U.S., or are you *that* far > from reality now? > > (snip BS and rehash) Ah, insults... who could have guessed you would engage in such? -- Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger. They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again. <https://youtu.be/H4NW-Cqh308>
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| From | Chuck Chop <"butwaitthere is more"@ginsu.org> |
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| Date | 2018-08-20 22:54 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: Trump the liar |
| Message-ID | <fu1d6vF4ifqU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #464295 |
On Mon, 20 Aug 2018 19:45:54 -0700, Snit wrote: I,I,I,I,I, Who would have guessed?
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| From | Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
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| Date | 2018-08-21 08:49 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: Trump the liar |
| Message-ID | <fu2qjtFe6g9U6@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #464297 |
On 8/20/18 7:54 PM, Chuck Chop wrote: > On Mon, 20 Aug 2018 19:45:54 -0700, Snit wrote: >> >> On 8/20/18 2:29 PM, Steve Carroll wrote: >> ... >>>>>> Oh, so your claim is instead a "harm to society"? >>>>>> >>>>>> Prove it. >>>>> >>>>> I already have... but... >>>> >>>> Citation missing. >>> >>> In your opinion, but that Politifact story that's 1/2 true would convince >>> any reasonable person that there's definitely some "harm to society". >> >> This is another sign of your black and white thinking. As even you noted there will not be a solution that works 100%, but from what -hh has shown we have worked to make things much better. Elsewhere I have seen, and shown, that illegal immigration has been going down for years. >> >> But you like the idea of a symbolic wall. Well, you also do not like it. You really have no point. >> >>>> Oh, and this retort attempt: >>>> >>>> "Ask this guy to: >>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sh_TAo1B4T0>" >>>> >>>> does not cut it. First off, because he's not the poster >>>> who made the claim here on COLA. >>> >>> Correct, you're the poster who made the dishonest strawman on my >>> behalf. Funny how you keep trying to ignore realities that get in your >>> way, isn't it? >> >> You repeatedly make idiotic claims such as how -hh is backing open borders even when there is NO reason to think he is, AND he specifically told you he does not. But you lie about his view. >> >> You also refused to give simple yes or no answers (or note it is not that simple, which would be fine) but then say OTHERS should be able to figure out what you mean, but here -- as predicted -- you whine others are figuring out what you mean. >> >>>> Second, just what does such a link actually prove? >>> >>> I didn't post it to "prove" anything to you; >> >> He is speaking of LOGIC: what do you think that video is showing to back your point. >> >> You change the topic to what it means TO HIM, as though he is asking for something other than logic. No! What do you think it does to back your argument based on LOGIC! >> >> Or are you all about emotion here? >> >>> that can't be done when >>> you've set your mind to it. Here's another guy you can ignore: >>> >>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rI8xDMMNWLE> >> >> It is not "ignoring" your links where you ask people to watch videos that not even you can say how they back your claimed views. >> >> And the people you point to are looking at those with the LEAST power to blame for the problems that largely come from those with the MOST power. >> >> Do you not see how absurd that is? >> >>>> That this guy is messed up >>>> in the head and that's somehow linked? >>> >>> Everyone opposing your strawmen and BS is "messed up in the head" >> >> THIS IS NOT ABOUT OPPOSITION AND PERSONALITY. >> >> THIS IS ABOUT THE LOGIC OF THE ARGUMENTS. >> >> Why do you so often run to people and not ideas? >> >>> to hear you tell it. Maybe we should get a few of these guys involved >>> in this thread, you know, for some perspective that may be lacking. >> >> You keep point to people who look at those with the least power as the source of their problems... that is not "perspective" others are missing, it is perspective THEY are missing. Clearly. It is not even hard to see... they are very direct about it. >> >>>> A link to a guy >>>> making claims would only work as substantiation if the >>>> claim was that there's people making claims on the Internet. >>> >>> LOL! You took my words and twisted the snot out of them so >>> excuse me while I laugh at your bizarre idiocy here. BTW it's not >>> just "a guy", there are plenty to choose from. >> >> You are tracking down people who blame those with the least power for the problems tied to those with the most power... and then claiming that since people SAY it that it must be true. Meanwhile, above, you insist that logic should not be the standard used... it is utter madness. >> >>>>>>>> , particularly relevant to eighteen >>>>>>>> years ago, when the rates of immigration were 10x higher despite >>>>>>>> ~1/3rd as many enforcement resources. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Bull. Elsewhere, I've even pointed to a left leaning source you guys favor >>>>>>> (Politifact), which could only claim that the spending of 300 billion annually >>>>>>> on immigration related issues was "half true". The numbers could actually >>>>>>> be larger than 300 billion once you start looking outward.... >>>>>> >>>>>> Even if the numbers are off by as much as 50%, >>>>> >>>>> Maybe they're low by more than that. >>>> >>>> Or they're higher, which weakens your case even further. >>> >>> With the "case" being the strawman you dishonestly created for me. >> >> You repeatedly avoid even saying directly what your "case" is.... asking others to guess at it. Then whining when they do. You play victim non-stop. >> >>>>>> it is still (a) more staff >>>>>> & budget, and (b) a huge decline from the 2000 peak. >>>>>> >>>>>> BTW, since you started to use Politifact as a reliable source: >>>>> >>>>> Nah, I'm using a source you should, were you consistent, accept. >>>>> >>>>>> "MOSTLY TRUE: Undocumented immigrants less likely to commit crimes >>>>>> than U.S. citizens" >>>>> >>>>> "less likely"? Can the language get any more wishy washy? >>>>> >>>>> No matter, your obvious problem here is I don't believe Politifact >>>>> (*especially* on this issue) , you do. >>>>> >>>>>> <https://www.politifact.com/california/statements/2017/aug/03/antonio-villaraigosa/mostly-true-undocumented-immigrants-less-likely-co/> >>>> >>>> No, a source is either trusted, or it is not: one don't get to >>>> pick & choose based on if you like what a part says. Choose your >>>> poison: it is either to accept both, or to accept neither. >>> >>> That's really weird. My (reality based) position is: >> >> Now you want to say it is "reality" that you get to deem a source liberals because they fact check and thus not to be trusted, but then elsewhere say they SHOULD be trusted. >> >> It is not as if you say they should generally be trusted but in such-and-such case you think they made a mistake. >> >>> A source is either good or bad on a given topic and it depends on what >>> the actual claims (as opposed to strawmen and wishy washy language) >>> and evidence are. >> >> But you actively reject evidence and speak of fact checking itself as biased (it is a liberal thing, hence why you cannot name any major fact checkers you think do not have a liberal bias). >> >>> For example, as to the language, your 'pants on fire' >>> cite wasn't worded in a way that was very convincing. >> >> The point is to explain and support... they cannot "convince" you if you have a bias you cannot see past. >> >>> IMO, Politifact >>> isn't quite as "fact" based as they'd have people believe, but my >>> opinion aside, I recognize that doesn't mean they're always wrong. >> >> You imply they are generally wrong. LOL! >> >>> The way you're suggesting, you'll blow through sources and then >>> you'll probably get stuck adhering to things even you know are silly >>> (which looks to be happening already). >> >> So you want to change topics again to find some claim from a source you think he will disagree with. Oy. >> >>>>>>>>> ... you're the guy suggesting it's no longer much of an issue. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> False. I've merely responded to your claims that there's a huge >>>>>>>> problem, including your claim that the CBP has been "feeble" in >>>>>>>> addressing it. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I've identified your claims as unsubstantiated & in need of proof. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Who, other than you, would I need to prove it to? >>>>>> >>>>>> No one forced you to make you public statement. >>>>> >>>>> Regarding that... AGAIN... my first paragraph to this thread: >>>>> >>>>> "I initially disagreed with the wall, I'm still not fully convinced. OTOH, >>>>> once one takes into consideration the annual amount spent on illegal >>>>> immigration, costs attempting to deal with drugs that are pouring, no >>>>> **flooding** across the southern border, costs of dealing with drug >>>>> addiction (including *loss of life, lost productivity, incarceration, etc.) >>>>> a wall, which we all know won't be 100% effective, looks like it could >>>>> be at least part of a better solution than our current, feeble attempts." >>>> >>>> Claim made: "feeble". >>> >>> Notice how you're spending so much time avoiding the *lie* you told >>> on my behalf, >> >> Funny how you CANNOT quote what you call my lies, but when your comments are quoted you deem noting what you said a "lie". You cannot stop playing victim. >> >>> only to focus on something that isn't really relevant and >>> doesn't stand a chance of being settled? Now let's see, why would you >>> do that? I know it'll come to me... >> >> Your view is now not relevant to your view. Wow. Even for you that is bad reasoning. >> >>>> Substantiation for claim still missing. >>>> >>>> >>>>> Notably, before I mentioned drugs, I first mentioned (as the bigger, more >>>>> expensive problem) "illegal immigration", but you went right past that. >>>> >>>> Substantiation of this "bigger" claim ... also missing. Cite please. >>> >>> The Politifact story about the annual ~$300 billion, a number that, on its >>> face, exceeds the drug problem. That said, I'm forced to recognize that >>> the numbers being tossed about in the media can't possibly tell the entire >>> drug related story. You're lucky, though, apparently you have no such >>> limitation. >> >> Ah, there are things we do not know so you want a wall you do not want but you want others to know if you want it or not or they are lying and it is their fault if they cannot figure out your convoluted contradictions and insults. Oy, part II. >> >>>>> Despite my having written a better wall (and, again, I'd be fine with a >>>>> better fence) "looks like it could be at least part of a better solution" >>>>> and that it "won't be 100% effective", you flatly lied about what I "said": >>>>> >>>>> "You've said that this all will somehow finally be solved simply >>>>> by throwing even more money at it even though we've already spent >>>>> $1T (and counting)." - hh >>>>> >>>>> Your 'argument' is built on this idiotic straw man. >>>> >>>> The only thing that you have to complain about is >>> >>> .... the fact that you set up a strawman for me right out the gate? >>> I wouldn't call it the only thing but it's the main thing. >> >> Ah, you are playing victim again. >> >>>> the hyperbola >>>> of "all will...be solved", for its a fact that there's been over >>>> $1T spent and some metrics have been tracked for decades, such as >>>> the number of CBP agents and how many arrests they make, etc. >>>> >>>>> Despite my having pointed to sources of data regarding U.S. >>>>> overdose problems, which are *not* limited to fentanyl, you >>>>> focused on fentanyl... and not just any, the Chinese stuff, >>>>> to the exclusion of the stuff coming from Mexico (recall the >>>>> article I pointed to, entitled: "Most fentanyl is seized on >>>>> the border"). >>>> >>>> Over 90% of the world's fentanyl comes from China. >>> >>> It might, but you stand a 0% chance of proving that (and it's >>> not relevant anyway). >> >> So you accept it might but you want to build a wall to keep Mexicans out (and not even the drugs, given how the wall would do little about that... heck, the wall is mostly symbolic anyway). >> >> But you deny being bigoted, eh? >> >>>> Just where >>>> do you think the Mexican cartels get their fentanyl from? >>> >>> Oh, well... then we're safe! >> >> YOU can seek help to be safe from your own drug issues. >> >>> You know Mexico is bordered with the U.S., or are you *that* far >>> from reality now? >>> >>> (snip BS and rehash) >> >> Ah, insults... who could have guessed you would engage in such? > I,I,I,I,I, > Who would have guessed? > What happened to your claim you were not responding to me, Carroll? -- Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger. They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again. <https://youtu.be/H4NW-Cqh308>
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| From | Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
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| Date | 2018-08-20 20:14 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: Trump the liar |
| Message-ID | <fu1ec2F4pabU3@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #464208 |
On 8/20/18 1:21 PM, -hh wrote: ... >> I already have... but... > > Citation missing. > > Oh, and this retort attempt: > > "Ask this guy to: > <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sh_TAo1B4T0>" > > does not cut it. First off, because he's not the poster > who made the claim here on COLA. Second, just what does > such a link actually prove? That this guy is messed up > in the head and that's somehow linked? A link to a guy > making claims would only work as substantiation if the > claim was that there's people making claims on the Internet. Later Carroll blamed this guy being so wrong on the color of his skin. It is sickening beyond belief. ... > Mathematically, the number of arrests cannot exceed the number of > border crossings, and better resources logically means a higher > apprehension success rate. > > With triple the budget and more than twice as many "boots on the > ground" border agents (even before also including deployed National > Guard), there is no basis to logically conclude that the CBP force's > effectiveness in capturing crossers has declined by at least 90%, or > to have any decline at all in their performance, yet you've claimed > it is "feeble" without evidence or substantiation. The logical > explanation for 100% more agents apprehending 90% fewer immigrants > is because there's vastly fewer immigrants attempting to cross. Carroll will snip and run... he cannot face actual reasoning. -- Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger. They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again. <https://youtu.be/H4NW-Cqh308>
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| From | Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-08-20 10:40 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: Trump the liar |
| Message-ID | <6ffe2433-6126-49dc-b5ef-2a7233ca1f2f@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #464183 |
On Monday, August 20, 2018 at 11:13:27 AM UTC-6, -hh wrote: > On Monday, August 20, 2018 at 11:32:21 AM UTC-4, Steve Carroll wrote: > > On Monday, August 20, 2018 at 8:03:37 AM UTC-6, -hh wrote: > > > On Friday, August 17, 2018 at 10:38:25 AM UTC-4, Steve Carroll wrote: > > > > (snip rehash of crap) > > > > > > > > > > > > Bullsh*t. You lied about my claims. Period. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My apologies > > > > > > > > > > > > It's not relevant anyway, you've still lied about what > > > > > > I stated and you're still lying about my motives. > > > > > > > > > > Your motives became clear when you claimed the current > > > > > enforcement to be "feeble" > > > > > > > > LOL! Of course! Anyone who disagrees with the idea that > > > > 'stats are reality' has a nefarious motive, we all know > > > > this <eyeroll>. > > > > > > > > > , despite the indicated 90% reduction > > > > > > > > At least you're now growing a clue towards this reality > > > > (the "indicated"), took you long enough. > > > > > > And yet you've still not quantitatively articulated just how > > > you're being harmed in any way > > > > We're not talking about me here, we're talking about society. > > Oh, so your claim is instead a "harm to society"? > > Prove it. Ask this guy to: <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sh_TAo1B4T0>
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| From | Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
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| Date | 2018-08-20 10:50 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: Trump the liar |
| Message-ID | <fu0dafFs87jU2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #464189 |
On 8/20/18 10:40 AM, Steve Carroll wrote: > On Monday, August 20, 2018 at 11:13:27 AM UTC-6, -hh wrote: >> On Monday, August 20, 2018 at 11:32:21 AM UTC-4, Steve Carroll wrote: >>> On Monday, August 20, 2018 at 8:03:37 AM UTC-6, -hh wrote: >>>> On Friday, August 17, 2018 at 10:38:25 AM UTC-4, Steve Carroll wrote: >>>>> (snip rehash of crap) >>>>> >>>>>>>>> Bullsh*t. You lied about my claims. Period. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> My apologies >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It's not relevant anyway, you've still lied about what >>>>>>> I stated and you're still lying about my motives. >>>>>> >>>>>> Your motives became clear when you claimed the current >>>>>> enforcement to be "feeble" >>>>> >>>>> LOL! Of course! Anyone who disagrees with the idea that >>>>> 'stats are reality' has a nefarious motive, we all know >>>>> this <eyeroll>. >>>>> >>>>>> , despite the indicated 90% reduction >>>>> >>>>> At least you're now growing a clue towards this reality >>>>> (the "indicated"), took you long enough. >>>> >>>> And yet you've still not quantitatively articulated just how >>>> you're being harmed in any way >>> >>> We're not talking about me here, we're talking about society. >> >> Oh, so your claim is instead a "harm to society"? >> >> Prove it. > > Ask this guy to: > > <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sh_TAo1B4T0> > Ah, some guy said it... but he is not even making sense and offered NO evidence. Face it, Carroll, you are in FAR over your head. -- Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger. They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again. <https://youtu.be/H4NW-Cqh308>
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| From | Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2018-08-20 10:51 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: Trump the liar |
| Message-ID | <fu0dd1Fs87jU3@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #464189 |
On 8/20/18 10:40 AM, Steve Carroll wrote: > On Monday, August 20, 2018 at 11:13:27 AM UTC-6, -hh wrote: >> On Monday, August 20, 2018 at 11:32:21 AM UTC-4, Steve Carroll wrote: >>> On Monday, August 20, 2018 at 8:03:37 AM UTC-6, -hh wrote: >>>> On Friday, August 17, 2018 at 10:38:25 AM UTC-4, Steve Carroll wrote: >>>>> (snip rehash of crap) >>>>> >>>>>>>>> Bullsh*t. You lied about my claims. Period. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> My apologies >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It's not relevant anyway, you've still lied about what >>>>>>> I stated and you're still lying about my motives. >>>>>> >>>>>> Your motives became clear when you claimed the current >>>>>> enforcement to be "feeble" >>>>> >>>>> LOL! Of course! Anyone who disagrees with the idea that >>>>> 'stats are reality' has a nefarious motive, we all know >>>>> this <eyeroll>. >>>>> >>>>>> , despite the indicated 90% reduction >>>>> >>>>> At least you're now growing a clue towards this reality >>>>> (the "indicated"), took you long enough. >>>> >>>> And yet you've still not quantitatively articulated just how >>>> you're being harmed in any way >>> >>> We're not talking about me here, we're talking about society. >> >> Oh, so your claim is instead a "harm to society"? >> >> Prove it. > > Ask this guy to: > > <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sh_TAo1B4T0> > Wow... listen to the whole video... what idiocy. And, yes, clearly at least borders on racist crap. -- Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger. They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again. <https://youtu.be/H4NW-Cqh308>
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| From | Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2018-08-20 11:18 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: Trump the liar |
| Message-ID | <7092cba6-a805-4249-b314-e5c99b2e7ef4@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #464193 |
On Monday, August 20, 2018 at 10:51:32 AM UTC-7, Snit wrote:
> On 8/20/18 10:40 AM, Steve Carroll wrote:
> > On Monday, August 20, 2018 at 11:13:27 AM UTC-6, -hh wrote:
> >> On Monday, August 20, 2018 at 11:32:21 AM UTC-4, Steve Carroll wrote:
> >>> On Monday, August 20, 2018 at 8:03:37 AM UTC-6, -hh wrote:
> >>>> On Friday, August 17, 2018 at 10:38:25 AM UTC-4, Steve Carroll wrote:
> >>>>> (snip rehash of crap)
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Bullsh*t. You lied about my claims. Period.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> My apologies
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> It's not relevant anyway, you've still lied about what
> >>>>>>> I stated and you're still lying about my motives.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Your motives became clear when you claimed the current
> >>>>>> enforcement to be "feeble"
> >>>>>
> >>>>> LOL! Of course! Anyone who disagrees with the idea that
> >>>>> 'stats are reality' has a nefarious motive, we all know
> >>>>> this <eyeroll>.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> , despite the indicated 90% reduction
> >>>>>
> >>>>> At least you're now growing a clue towards this reality
> >>>>> (the "indicated"), took you long enough.
> >>>>
> >>>> And yet you've still not quantitatively articulated just how
> >>>> you're being harmed in any way
> >>>
> >>> We're not talking about me here, we're talking about society.
> >>
> >> Oh, so your claim is instead a "harm to society"?
> >>
> >> Prove it.
> >
> > Ask this guy to:
> >
> > <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sh_TAo1B4T0>
> >
>
> Wow... listen to the whole video... what idiocy. And, yes, clearly at
> least borders on racist crap.
>
> --
> Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
> cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
> somehow superior by attacking the messenger.
>
> They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
>
> <https://youtu.be/H4NW-Cqh308>
Facts about Steve "Steven Petruzzellis" Carroll
Steve "Steven Petruzzellis" Carroll will be 60 years old on August 29, 2018 and yet is still single, broke and yet with his skills he has nothing to show for it but flooding Usenet. He blames Doomsdrzej for his loss of his wife and girlfriend and his begging of older women to sleep with him (http://www.seniorpeoplemeet.com/v3/externalsearch/singles?Profile=1AE1BDAAFC6D6F08ACA0C235BB8ED21D&Username=STEVECARROL). Steven is jealous of what Doomsdrzej has and in a narcissistic rage repeatedly works to take it away from him. For over 10 years he has failed at even this. Steve "Steven Petruzzellis" Carroll is an utter failure in life.
Of his online life Steven says
I've been booted off by past providers before because people
complain about me and all my bullshit. I don't want to lose my ISP
*again* but I still need my army of sock puppets so I continually
search usenet for whatever servers I haven't yet been booted
from.
Some examples where Steven has been booted
X10 Hosting booted Steven for inappropriate activity
http://tinyurl.com/z92qmz4
Comcast booted Steven for inappropriate activity
http://tinyurl.com/h75nh9l
FreeHostingEU booted Steven for copyright infringement http://devsite.eu.pn
AwardSpace (atwebpages.com) booted Steven for breaking terms of service
http://demsites.atwebpages.com/pokeman
Imgur took down an image for breaking terms of service http://imgur.com/yv2XppE
Had a GigaNews account which was removed for harassing Doomsdrzej
Stopped posting from his fretwizzen Google account since shortly after I complained. Seems he lost that too.
His wife booted Steven to the curb for cheating on her
Only site Steven Petruzzellis has pointed to that has ever been available
http://web.archive.org/web/20161019062351/http://www.oldneighborhoodrestaurant.net/
https://goo.gl/DMno6J
Made by the Go Daddy Website builder and is utter crap. Later he denied he said he was merely taking credit for someone else's work but Steven is the contact person http://tinyurl.com/hcw6dul
http://web.archive.org/web/20161202192456/http://www.reservationdiary.eu/eng/reservation/d76d1156-e9f7-43c1-b77b-b07189857820
He also bragged he was working on an update and showed it here https://vid.me/u6RK
The business still failed.
He likely went to the Go Daddy Website Builder after he failed to get WordPress installed.
https://mu.wordpress.org/forums/topic/13879
This is why Steve "Steven Petruzzellis" Carroll attacks Doomsdrzej.
Steven Petruzzellis was is divorced on June 22 , 2012 at the Golden Municipal Court House because his wife caught him screwing another woman.
Doomsdrzej is married and by all appearances happily so.
He never complains about his wife in COLA.
Steven Petruzzellis is living on charity of a friend in a single room.
Doomsdrzej does not live in a mansion or even a high end home but has a house and a yard.
Steven Petruzzellis has two kids but no respect. He repeatedly called Ryan his "little screwup" and refers to his son Steve as a "dick" and worse. He says at least one of them likely hacked his computer and is a "mentally deficient child." He mocks his possible future daughter-in-law as someone who takes too many selfies and is focused only on herself
Doomsdrzej has two kids (or more) and never speaks poorly of them in public.
No reason to think they are not a happy family.
Steven Petruzzellis claims to be a stay at home dad who pays thousands of dollars for day care. Steven has no job and no purpose in life. Steven has given up and now seeks a mother-figure to date.
Doomsdrzej has his own business doing technical work and also teaches.
Doomsdrzej offers a true contribution to society.
Teachers are truly under appreciated.
--
E-commerce Simplified!
https://youtu.be/IhOfBmWwCVY
Jonas Eklundh Communication
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| From | Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2018-08-20 10:36 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: Trump the liar |
| Message-ID | <fu0chcFs3vbU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #464164 |
On 8/20/18 8:32 AM, Steve Carroll wrote: ... >> And yet you've still not quantitatively articulated just how >> you're being harmed in any way > > We're not talking about me here, we're talking about society. What specific harm to society do you mean? >> , particularly relevant to eighteen >> years ago, when the rates of immigration were 10x higher despite >> ~1/3rd as many enforcement resources. > > Bull. Elsewhere, I've even pointed to a left leaning source you guys favor > (Politifact) You guys? Left leaning? Why do you think fact checking is "liberal"? > , which could only claim that the spending of 300 billion annually > on immigration related issues was "half true". The numbers could actually > be larger than 300 billion once you start looking outward. But go ahead > and tell me how they're less than that number as based on a '2nd gen' > boost, when only 5-10% of that gen gets a college degree (and stands a > chance of not being a net negative). AHA! This is why you obsess over my college degrees. >>> ... you're the guy suggesting it's no longer much of an issue. >> >> False. I've merely responded to your claims that there's a huge >> problem, including your claim that the CBP has been "feeble" in >> addressing it. >> >> I've identified your claims as unsubstantiated & in need of proof. > > Who, other than you, would I need to prove it to? That is not how logic works. It is not about WHO you prove it to, it is about what evidence you use to back your claims. You play this same game with me, saying that you have the special entitlement of not needing to back your claims. > Even Doty, who's the > only other person to take issue with me challenging stats (in general) isn't > challenging the idea that there is a ton of drugs, fentanyl included, coming > over the border (and that's just what we *know* about, as seen under the > "streetlight"). How is a wall going to stop drones and other methods of bringing drugs across the border? What percent of the current drugs go through the fence. > "Indeed, scientists will often debate whether an experiment's result should > be considered evidence of absence, or if it remains absence of evidence. The > debate is whether the experiment would have detected the phenomenon of > interest if it was there.[3] > > The argument from ignorance for "absence of evidence" isn't necessarily fallacious..." > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evidence_of_absence> But you do not get to claim that your ignorance is evidence of a problem you want to exist to push your bigoted views. > Think, if you can, about the kinds of scenarios it "isn't necessarily fallacious" for. > >> Still waiting. >> >> I've furthermore provided insight into just how much the CBP's budget >> has increased (3x) and how their arrests have still dropped by 90% >> over the past 18 years. > > So what? It's still feeble compared to what's needed, that much is > obvious to anyone without a 'no borders' agenda. What would not be "feeble"? What are you even looking for -- other than to blame others for your own drug problems. >> This data increases the required burden of >> proof upon the original claimant to make their case. > > LOL! Your bizarre idea that number always tell all there is to know has you babbling > like a loon. He uses evidence. You whine that he uses evidence and say your ignorance should not be used against you. >> TL;DR: the party (you) who made the claims of problems & inadequacy >> has not objectively substantiated their claims. > > Hey airhead?! Ah, name calling... you do that a lot when you are insecure about your views. > The U.S. gov't is paying Accenture ~$300 million to help find > border patrol agents because they're having trouble finding the level mandated > by Congress. And yet you want money diverted to a SYMBOLIC wall instead of border agents. > Despite this reality, we're supposed to believe some loon on a > newsgroup that everything is all 'OK' because... 'the numbers told him so'. > You've gone totally batty ;) Ah, put down his evidence because your ignorance should be believed. LOL! -- Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger. They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again. <https://youtu.be/H4NW-Cqh308>
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| From | Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2018-08-20 11:03 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: Trump the liar |
| Message-ID | <4fa9f026-f702-4fe2-98b2-d1e454335e5e@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #464188 |
On Monday, August 20, 2018 at 10:36:48 AM UTC-7, Snit wrote:
> On 8/20/18 8:32 AM, Steve Carroll wrote:
> ...
> >> And yet you've still not quantitatively articulated just how
> >> you're being harmed in any way
> >
> > We're not talking about me here, we're talking about society.
>
> What specific harm to society do you mean?
>
> >> , particularly relevant to eighteen
> >> years ago, when the rates of immigration were 10x higher despite
> >> ~1/3rd as many enforcement resources.
> >
> > Bull. Elsewhere, I've even pointed to a left leaning source you guys favor
> > (Politifact)
>
> You guys? Left leaning? Why do you think fact checking is "liberal"?
>
> > , which could only claim that the spending of 300 billion annually
> > on immigration related issues was "half true". The numbers could actually
> > be larger than 300 billion once you start looking outward. But go ahead
> > and tell me how they're less than that number as based on a '2nd gen'
> > boost, when only 5-10% of that gen gets a college degree (and stands a
> > chance of not being a net negative).
>
> AHA! This is why you obsess over my college degrees.
>
> >>> ... you're the guy suggesting it's no longer much of an issue.
> >>
> >> False. I've merely responded to your claims that there's a huge
> >> problem, including your claim that the CBP has been "feeble" in
> >> addressing it.
> >>
> >> I've identified your claims as unsubstantiated & in need of proof.
> >
> > Who, other than you, would I need to prove it to?
>
> That is not how logic works. It is not about WHO you prove it to, it is
> about what evidence you use to back your claims. You play this same game
> with me, saying that you have the special entitlement of not needing to
> back your claims.
>
> > Even Doty, who's the
> > only other person to take issue with me challenging stats (in general) isn't
> > challenging the idea that there is a ton of drugs, fentanyl included, coming
> > over the border (and that's just what we *know* about, as seen under the
> > "streetlight").
>
> How is a wall going to stop drones and other methods of bringing drugs
> across the border? What percent of the current drugs go through the fence.
>
> > "Indeed, scientists will often debate whether an experiment's result should
> > be considered evidence of absence, or if it remains absence of evidence. The
> > debate is whether the experiment would have detected the phenomenon of
> > interest if it was there.[3]
> >
> > The argument from ignorance for "absence of evidence" isn't necessarily fallacious..."
> > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evidence_of_absence>
>
> But you do not get to claim that your ignorance is evidence of a problem
> you want to exist to push your bigoted views.
>
> > Think, if you can, about the kinds of scenarios it "isn't necessarily fallacious" for.
> >
> >> Still waiting.
> >>
> >> I've furthermore provided insight into just how much the CBP's budget
> >> has increased (3x) and how their arrests have still dropped by 90%
> >> over the past 18 years.
> >
> > So what? It's still feeble compared to what's needed, that much is
> > obvious to anyone without a 'no borders' agenda.
>
> What would not be "feeble"? What are you even looking for -- other than
> to blame others for your own drug problems.
>
> >> This data increases the required burden of
> >> proof upon the original claimant to make their case.
> >
> > LOL! Your bizarre idea that number always tell all there is to know has you babbling
> > like a loon.
>
> He uses evidence. You whine that he uses evidence and say your ignorance
> should not be used against you.
>
> >> TL;DR: the party (you) who made the claims of problems & inadequacy
> >> has not objectively substantiated their claims.
> >
> > Hey airhead?!
>
> Ah, name calling... you do that a lot when you are insecure about your
> views.
>
> > The U.S. gov't is paying Accenture ~$300 million to help find
> > border patrol agents because they're having trouble finding the level mandated
> > by Congress.
>
> And yet you want money diverted to a SYMBOLIC wall instead of border agents.
>
> > Despite this reality, we're supposed to believe some loon on a
> > newsgroup that everything is all 'OK' because... 'the numbers told him so'.
> > You've gone totally batty ;)
>
> Ah, put down his evidence because your ignorance should be believed. LOL!
>
>
>
> --
> Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
> cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
> somehow superior by attacking the messenger.
>
> They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
>
> <https://youtu.be/H4NW-Cqh308>
Facts about Steve "Steven Petruzzellis" Carroll
Steve "Steven Petruzzellis" Carroll is a nearly 60 year old guy who is single, broke and has no skills. He blames Klaus Schadenfreude for his loss of his wife and girlfriend. Steven is jealous of what Klaus Schadenfreude has and in a narcissistic rage repeatedly works to take it away from him. For over 10 years he has failed at even this. Steve "Steven Petruzzellis" Carroll is an utter failure in life.
Of his online life Steven says
I've been booted off by past providers before because people
complain about me and all my bullshit. I don't want to lose my ISP
*again* but I still need my army of sock puppets so I continually
search usenet for whatever servers I haven't yet been booted
from.
Some examples where Steven has been booted
X10 Hosting booted Steven for inappropriate activity
http://tinyurl.com/z92qmz4
Comcast booted Steven for inappropriate activity
http://tinyurl.com/h75nh9l
FreeHostingEU booted Steven for copyright infringement http://devsite.eu.pn
AwardSpace (atwebpages.com) booted Steven for breaking terms of service
http://demsites.atwebpages.com/pokeman
Imgur took down an image for breaking terms of service http://imgur.com/yv2XppE
Had a GigaNews account which was removed for harassing Klaus Schadenfreude
Stopped posting from his fretwizzen Google account since shortly after I complained. Seems he lost that too.
His wife booted Steven to the curb for cheating on her
Only site Steven Petruzzellis has pointed to that has ever been available
http://web.archive.org/web/20161019062351/http://www.oldneighborhoodrestaurant.net/
https://goo.gl/DMno6J
Made by the Go Daddy Website builder and is utter crap. Later he denied he said he was merely taking credit for someone else's work but Steven is the contact person http://tinyurl.com/hcw6dul
http://web.archive.org/web/20161202192456/http://www.reservationdiary.eu/eng/reservation/d76d1156-e9f7-43c1-b77b-b07189857820
He also bragged he was working on an update and showed it here https://vid.me/u6RK
The business still failed.
He likely went to the Go Daddy Website Builder after he failed to get WordPress installed.
https://mu.wordpress.org/forums/topic/13879
This is why Steve "Steven Petruzzellis" Carroll attacks Klaus Schadenfreude.
Steven Petruzzellis was is divorced because his wife caught him screwing another woman.
Klaus Schadenfreude is married and by all appearances happily so.
He never complains about his wife in COLA.
Steven Petruzzellis is living on charity of a friend in a single room.
Klaus Schadenfreude does not live in a mansion or even a high end home but has a house and a yard.
Steven Petruzzellis has two kids but no respect. He repeatedly called Ryan his "little screwup" and refers to his son Steve as a "dick" and worse. He says at least one of them likely hacked his computer and is a "mentally deficient child." He mocks his possible future daughter-in-law as someone who takes too many selfies and is focused only on herself
Klaus Schadenfreude has two kids (or more) and never speaks poorly of them in public.
No reason to think they are not a happy family.
Steven Petruzzellis claims to be a stay at home dad who pays thousands of dollars for day care. Steven has no job and no purpose in life. Steven has given up and now seeks a mother-figure to date.
Klaus Schadenfreude has his own business doing technical work and also teaches.
Klaus Schadenfreude offers a true contribution to society.
Teachers are truly under appreciated.
--
Do not click this link!
https://youtu.be/IhOfBmWwCVY
https://youtu.be/r7wys2JvBD0
Jonas Eklundh
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| From | Andrzej Matuch <a.m@vt.ca> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2018-08-17 12:59 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Trump the liar |
| Message-ID | <sEzdD.158017$Nx7.80056@fx31.iad> |
| In reply to | #463369 |
On Thu, 16 Aug 2018 13:09:33 -0700, -hh wrote: < snipped > Do you _ever_ post anything even remotely related to Linux? -- Andrzej Matuch FSF Contributor / EFF Member / Free speech advocate
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| From | chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2018-08-17 10:42 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: Trump the liar |
| Message-ID | <kuqdndhpg8anobgdked85bc64n8mpvmhnm@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #463502 |
Andrzej Matuch wrote: > -highhorse wrote: >> >>< snipped > > > Do you _ever_ post anything even remotely related to Linux? Occasionally he does, to denigrate it. -- "Linux is what sloppy cheapskates who cut corners prefer to use, rather than a quality product." - lying asshole "-hh"
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| From | Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2018-08-17 09:25 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: Trump the liar |
| Message-ID | <e5fef09a-86b0-4461-ac11-33255ebc3319@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #463552 |
On Friday, August 17, 2018 at 9:42:13 AM UTC-6, chrisv wrote: > Andrzej Matuch wrote: > > > -highhorse wrote: > >> > >>< snipped > > > > > Do you _ever_ post anything even remotely related to Linux? > > Occasionally he does, to denigrate it. Thats's not denigration, that's 'statistical analysis' based on 'facts' that 'prove' all of 'the COLA boys' were 'wrong' on every argument they ever made <eyeroll>. That you were treated to such buffoonery the entire time open source was swallowing the rest of the world is something you weren't supposed to notice ;)
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| From | Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2018-08-17 09:35 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: Trump the liar |
| Message-ID | <ftobr5F2es8U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #463571 |
On 8/17/18 9:25 AM, Steve Carroll wrote: > On Friday, August 17, 2018 at 9:42:13 AM UTC-6, chrisv wrote: >> Andrzej Matuch wrote: >> >>> -highhorse wrote: >>>> >>>> < snipped > >>> >>> Do you _ever_ post anything even remotely related to Linux? >> >> Occasionally he does, to denigrate it. > > Thats's not denigration, that's 'statistical analysis' based on 'facts' > that 'prove' all of 'the COLA boys' were 'wrong' on every argument > they ever made <eyeroll>. That you were treated to such buffoonery > the entire time open source was swallowing the rest of the world is > something you weren't supposed to notice ;) > What the hell are you babbling about? -- Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger. They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again. <https://youtu.be/H4NW-Cqh308>
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| From | Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2018-08-17 09:53 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: Trump the liar |
| Message-ID | <e9a4360d-8562-4d18-abdf-3aa27f27dca3@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #463571 |
On Friday, August 17, 2018 at 9:25:48 AM UTC-7, Steve Carroll wrote: > On Friday, August 17, 2018 at 9:42:13 AM UTC-6, chrisv wrote: > > Andrzej Matuch wrote: > > > > > -highhorse wrote: > > >> > > >>< snipped > > > > > > > Do you _ever_ post anything even remotely related to Linux? > > > > Occasionally he does, to denigrate it. > > Thats's not denigration, that's 'statistical analysis' based on 'facts' > that 'prove' all of 'the COLA boys' were 'wrong' on every argument > they ever made <eyeroll>. That you were treated to such buffoonery > the entire time open source was swallowing the rest of the world is > something you weren't supposed to notice ;) Usenet is an uncontrollable concordat based on virtue. A meaningless discourse by pseudo-experts, magnified by the reciprocal of a limitless imagination, demonstrating the vast nothingness of the main character's so-called thought process. What is the world coming to when a Klaus Schadenfreude flood post can't get any reaction? I have a custom setup I use as well, but it's something you would not understand. You saying something is so does not make it true. Complete bull by an uneducated, misleading, slippery, colluding laughingstock who would not tell the truth even if he swore on his mother's grave. Klaus Schadenfreude should grasp DFS knows he is just being a moron! Thanks to Klaus Schadenfreude and his 'co-trolls' you now need a whitelist. If people start up with him again I will, too... as I promised. I'm referring to good people here, not socks, who he largely controls. -- Live on Kickstarter https://youtu.be/OffkiSAsYo8 https://redd.it/6sfkup Jonas Eklundh
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| From | Andrzej Matuch <a.m@vt.ca> |
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| Date | 2018-08-17 16:31 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Trump the liar |
| Message-ID | <dLCdD.35817$QN.31660@fx19.iad> |
| In reply to | #463552 |
On Fri, 17 Aug 2018 10:42:10 -0500, chrisv wrote: > Andrzej Matuch wrote: > >> -highhorse wrote: >>> >>>< snipped > >> >> Do you _ever_ post anything even remotely related to Linux? > > Occasionally he does, to denigrate it. Seriously, we need to clean up this newsgroup. I am going to be making the first step by doing whatever I can to stay on topic and ignore any of the political talk which causes us to grab at each other's throats. We might post a bunch when we're at odds, but it's a lot more fun when we're actually talking about Linux. Besides, it's seriously becoming clear to me that something big is about to happen to move us toward a war. I can't stand the idea and will gladly swallow my pride to prevent that kind of garbage from happening. -- Andrzej Matuch FSF Contributor / EFF Member / Free speech advocate Proud Catholic
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| From | -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> |
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| Date | 2018-08-20 07:15 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: Trump the liar |
| Message-ID | <5d7df5c7-e293-4b3c-8d03-abed7a17bc4e@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #463552 |
On Friday, August 17, 2018 at 11:42:13 AM UTC-4, chrisv wrote: > Andrzej Matuch wrote: > > -highhorse wrote: > >> > >>< snipped > > > > > Do you _ever_ post anything even remotely related to Linux? > > Occasionally he does, to denigrate it. Most of the time, I've just poked holes in the loud bravado claims of Linux advocates, to reveal their logical flaws. A recent example (June 2018) was to note that despite the advocates' refrain about how Linux is so much better in every way (/S), no-kidding IRL proof seems to always be lacking. "...But the base point (despite your distraction attempt) still holds: if Linux really is so much better than everything else, then why isn't there a gaggle of successfully retired IT Linux geeks relaxing on COLA? Wouldn't there be advocacy mileage to be gained from a "and with Linux, you can do well and retire earlier too!"?" Granted, there is an altruistic element to FOSS volunteerism, but as per Maslow's hierarchy of needs, it doesn't seem that the advocates here get much beyond Physiological & Safety. Plus the poor social behavior regularly exhibited here reveals that 'Social Belonging' is still a work in progress for many. -hh
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| From | Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
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| Date | 2018-08-20 07:18 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: Trump the liar |
| Message-ID | <fu00tuFpaciU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #464147 |
On 8/20/18 7:15 AM, -hh wrote: > On Friday, August 17, 2018 at 11:42:13 AM UTC-4, chrisv wrote: >> Andrzej Matuch wrote: >>> -highhorse wrote: >>>> >>>> < snipped > >>> >>> Do you _ever_ post anything even remotely related to Linux? >> >> Occasionally he does, to denigrate it. > > Most of the time, I've just poked holes in the loud bravado > claims of Linux advocates, to reveal their logical flaws. > > A recent example (June 2018) was to note that despite the > advocates' refrain about how Linux is so much better in > every way (/S), no-kidding IRL proof seems to always be lacking. > > "...But the base point (despite your distraction attempt) still > holds: if Linux really is so much better than everything else, > then why isn't there a gaggle of successfully retired IT Linux > geeks relaxing > on COLA? > > Wouldn't there be advocacy mileage to be gained from a "and with > Linux, you can do well and retire earlier too!"?" > > Granted, there is an altruistic element to FOSS volunteerism, > but as per Maslow's hierarchy of needs, it doesn't seem that > the advocates here get much beyond Physiological & Safety. > Plus the poor social behavior regularly exhibited here reveals > that 'Social Belonging' is still a work in progress for many. > > > -hh > I would be happy with a list of tasks that Linux can handle better. Show videos of how the task is done so much better. -- Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger. They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again. <https://youtu.be/H4NW-Cqh308>
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| From | Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-08-20 07:25 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: Trump the liar |
| Message-ID | <525a72a0-05c3-4109-bcff-f24dd59236a3@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #464147 |
On Monday, August 20, 2018 at 7:15:52 AM UTC-7, -hh wrote: > On Friday, August 17, 2018 at 11:42:13 AM UTC-4, chrisv wrote: > > Andrzej Matuch wrote: > > > -highhorse wrote: > > >> > > >>< snipped > > > > > > > Do you _ever_ post anything even remotely related to Linux? > > > > Occasionally he does, to denigrate it. > > Most of the time, I've just poked holes in the loud bravado > claims of Linux advocates, to reveal their logical flaws. > > A recent example (June 2018) was to note that despite the > advocates' refrain about how Linux is so much better in > every way (/S), no-kidding IRL proof seems to always be lacking. > > "...But the base point (despite your distraction attempt) still > holds: if Linux really is so much better than everything else, > then why isn't there a gaggle of successfully retired IT Linux > geeks relaxing > on COLA? > > Wouldn't there be advocacy mileage to be gained from a "and with > Linux, you can do well and retire earlier too!"?" > > Granted, there is an altruistic element to FOSS volunteerism, > but as per Maslow's hierarchy of needs, it doesn't seem that > the advocates here get much beyond Physiological & Safety. > Plus the poor social behavior regularly exhibited here reveals > that 'Social Belonging' is still a work in progress for many. > > > -hh Sockboy is again seen saying "GOOGLE HAS NOTHING" when it comes to data on a site where information is easy to find... but Sockboy is just too unintelligent and too in over your head to interpret any info he finds. Not long ago I did work on and showed some AppleScript for the front end (only works on Windows) which is the only thing you can do when trying to avoid Sockboy's nonstop crap while reading with Google Groups. Calls it "obsessing" over him, even though he proceeds to elicit that exact reaction. -- This broke the Internet!! https://www.facebook.com/jenny.eklund http://www.5z8.info/boobs_j0v3qo_dont-just-drizzle Jonas Eklundh Communication AB
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