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Advantage, Linux

Started byChris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us>
First post2015-11-18 06:09 -0500
Last post2015-11-18 12:49 -0500
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  Advantage, Linux Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2015-11-18 06:09 -0500
    Re: Advantage, Linux Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2015-11-18 12:01 +0000
      Re: Advantage, Linux "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2015-11-18 07:32 -0500
        Re: Advantage, Linux Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2015-11-18 12:51 +0000
          Re: Advantage, Linux "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2015-11-18 08:01 -0500
            Re: Advantage, Linux Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2015-11-18 14:06 +0000
              Re: Advantage, Linux Justin <justin@nobecauseihatespam.edu> - 2015-11-18 16:07 -0500
                Re: Advantage, Linux Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2015-11-19 10:34 +0000
                  Re: Advantage, Linux Justin <justin@nobecauseihatespam.edu> - 2015-11-19 09:19 -0500
                    Re: Advantage, Linux Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-11-19 10:42 -0500
                    Re: Advantage, Linux Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-11-19 09:02 -0700
                      Re: Advantage, Linux Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2015-11-19 17:08 +0100
                        Re: Advantage, Linux Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-11-19 09:19 -0700
                          Re: Advantage, Linux Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2015-11-19 17:55 +0100
                          Re: Advantage, Linux Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-11-19 18:39 +0100
                            Re: Advantage, Linux Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-11-19 13:20 -0500
                            Re: Advantage, Linux chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-11-19 12:38 -0600
                              Re: Advantage, Linux Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-11-19 14:43 -0500
                            Re: Advantage, Linux Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-11-19 16:06 -0700
                              Re: Advantage, Linux Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-11-20 00:46 +0100
                                Re: Advantage, Linux Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-11-19 16:52 -0700
                                  Re: Advantage, Linux Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-11-20 01:01 +0100
                                    Re: Advantage, Linux Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-11-19 17:06 -0700
                                      Re: Advantage, Linux Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-11-20 01:15 +0100
                                        Re: Advantage, Linux Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-11-19 18:57 -0700
                                        Re: Advantage, Linux Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-11-20 08:13 -0500
                                Re: Advantage, Linux chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-11-20 06:48 -0600
                                Re: Advantage, Linux JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> - 2015-11-20 14:05 -0600
                                  Re: Advantage, Linux Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-11-20 13:53 -0700
                            Re: Advantage, Linux Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2015-11-20 17:14 +0000
                        Re: Advantage, Linux Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-11-19 12:04 -0500
                    Re: Advantage, Linux Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2015-11-19 16:37 +0000
                      Re: Advantage, Linux Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2015-11-19 08:54 -0800
                        Re: Advantage, Linux Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-11-19 13:18 -0500
                          Re: Advantage, Linux Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-11-19 12:06 -0700
                        Re: Advantage, Linux Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2015-11-20 09:22 +0000
                          Re: Advantage, Linux Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-11-20 11:52 +0100
                            Re: Advantage, Linux Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-11-20 08:41 -0700
                            Re: Advantage, Linux Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2015-11-20 17:19 +0000
                          Re: Advantage, Linux Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-11-20 09:09 -0700
                            Re: Advantage, Linux Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-11-20 17:14 +0100
                              Re: Advantage, Linux Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-11-20 09:33 -0700
                              Re: Advantage, Linux Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2015-11-20 08:46 -0800
                              Re: Advantage, Linux Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2015-11-20 17:22 +0000
                          Re: Advantage, Linux Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2015-11-20 08:42 -0800
                            Re: Advantage, Linux Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2015-11-20 17:24 +0000
                              Re: Advantage, Linux Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-11-20 10:34 -0700
                              Re: Advantage, Linux Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2015-11-20 11:31 -0800
                                Re: Advantage, Linux Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2015-11-23 09:30 +0000
            My home folder is "C:\\__", but I don't let Windows know that. Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> - 2015-11-18 14:19 -0800
              Re: My home folder is "C:\\__", but I don't let Windows know that. "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2015-11-22 08:10 -0500
                99.99% of the time, mental health can't be bought. Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> - 2015-11-22 05:46 -0800
                  Re: 99.99% of the time, mental health can't be bought. "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2015-11-22 08:54 -0500
                    Some are "poor" because they do _not_ stress over money. Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> - 2015-11-22 06:38 -0800
                      Re: Some are "poor" because they do _not_ stress over money. "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2015-11-22 10:04 -0500
                        I have a vasectomy, I'm stress free. Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> - 2015-11-22 07:35 -0800
                          Re: I have a vasectomy, I'm stress free. "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2015-11-22 10:44 -0500
                            How many wives/kids do you have ? Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> - 2015-11-22 15:29 -0800
                              Re: How many wives/kids do you have ? benj <none@gmail.com> - 2015-11-23 03:15 -0500
        Re: Advantage, Linux Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-11-18 09:43 -0500
      Re: Advantage, Linux DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-11-18 12:48 -0500
        Re: Advantage, Linux Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-11-18 13:04 -0500
          Re: Advantage, Linux DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-11-18 13:10 -0500
            Re: Advantage, Linux owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-11-18 18:22 +0000
              Re: Advantage, Linux Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-11-18 13:23 -0500
                Re: Advantage, Linux Justin <justin@nobecauseihatespam.edu> - 2015-11-18 14:04 -0500
                Re: Advantage, Linux DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-11-22 17:04 -0500
              Re: Advantage, Linux DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-11-18 17:18 -0500
                Re: Advantage, Linux owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-11-18 23:47 +0000
            Re: Advantage, Linux Justin <justin@nobecauseihatespam.edu> - 2015-11-18 13:56 -0500
              Re: Advantage, Linux owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-11-18 19:13 +0000
                Re: Advantage, Linux Justin <justin@nobecauseihatespam.edu> - 2015-11-18 15:56 -0500
                  Re: Advantage, Linux owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-11-18 21:14 +0000
                    Re: Advantage, Linux Justin <justin@nobecauseihatespam.edu> - 2015-11-18 19:03 -0500
                      Re: Advantage, Linux owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-11-19 00:59 +0000
                        Re: Advantage, Linux Justin <justin@nobecauseihatespam.edu> - 2015-11-19 09:51 -0500
                          Re: Advantage, Linux owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-11-19 19:32 +0000
                Re: Advantage, Linux DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-11-18 17:20 -0500
                Re: Advantage, Linux DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-11-18 17:26 -0500
                  Re: Advantage, Linux owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-11-18 23:50 +0000
              Re: Advantage, Linux JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> - 2015-11-18 14:06 -0600
                Re: Advantage, Linux Justin <justin@nobecauseihatespam.edu> - 2015-11-18 16:04 -0500
                  Re: Advantage, Linux Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-11-18 23:02 +0100
                  Re: Advantage, Linux JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> - 2015-11-18 19:12 -0600
                    Re: Advantage, Linux Justin <justin@nobecauseihatespam.edu> - 2015-11-19 09:17 -0500
                      Re: Advantage, Linux Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-11-19 15:38 +0100
                        Re: Advantage, Linux Justin <justin@nobecauseihatespam.edu> - 2015-11-19 09:50 -0500
                          Re: Advantage, Linux JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> - 2015-11-19 10:26 -0600
                            Re: Advantage, Linux Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-11-19 18:10 +0100
                              Re: Advantage, Linux Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2015-11-19 15:41 -0500
                                Re: Advantage, Linux JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> - 2015-11-19 15:15 -0600
                                Re: Advantage, Linux owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-11-19 22:54 +0000
              Re: Advantage, Linux Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2015-11-18 15:51 -0500
              Re: Advantage, Linux "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2015-11-18 20:52 -0500
    Re: Advantage, Linux Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-11-18 09:38 -0500
      Re: Advantage, Linux Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-11-18 14:44 +0000
        Re: Advantage, Linux Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-11-18 09:54 -0500
          Re: Advantage, Linux Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-11-18 15:16 +0000
            Re: Advantage, Linux Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-11-18 11:23 -0500
      Re: Advantage, Linux DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-11-18 13:07 -0500
        Re: Advantage, Linux Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-11-18 13:22 -0500
      Re: Advantage, Linux Marti van Lin <ml2mst@dontevenbother.invalid> - 2015-11-19 18:54 +0100
        Re: Advantage, Linux Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2015-11-19 15:47 -0500
          Re: Advantage, Linux Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-11-19 18:01 -0500
    Re: Advantage, Linux Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2015-11-18 15:15 +0000
      Re: Advantage, Linux Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2015-11-18 16:27 +0100
        Re: Advantage, Linux Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2015-11-18 10:41 -0500
          Re: Advantage, Linux Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2015-11-18 16:45 +0100
            Re: Advantage, Linux Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-11-18 15:51 +0000
            Re: Advantage, Linux Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2015-11-18 15:48 -0500
              Re: Advantage, Linux Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-11-18 23:01 +0100
                Re: Advantage, Linux Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2015-11-19 14:18 +0000
                  Re: Advantage, Linux Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-11-19 15:37 +0100
                    Re: Advantage, Linux Lloyd Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2015-11-19 08:47 -0600
                    Re: Advantage, Linux Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2015-11-19 07:40 -0800
                    Re: Advantage, Linux Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2015-11-19 22:59 +0000
                      Re: Advantage, Linux Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-11-20 00:43 +0100
                        Re: Advantage, Linux Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2015-11-20 10:05 +0000
                          Re: Advantage, Linux Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-11-20 11:50 +0100
                            Re: Advantage, Linux Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2015-11-20 13:09 +0000
                            Re: Advantage, Linux DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-11-20 09:30 -0500
                            Re: Advantage, Linux JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> - 2015-11-20 13:58 -0600
                              Re: Advantage, Linux Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2015-11-20 15:41 -0500
                          Re: Advantage, Linux ronb <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2015-11-21 02:49 +0000
                            Re: Advantage, Linux Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2015-11-21 09:31 +0000
                              Re: Advantage, Linux vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2015-11-21 22:17 +0000
                                Re: Advantage, Linux Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2015-11-22 09:07 +0000
                      Re: Advantage, Linux Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-11-20 08:09 -0500
                        Re: Advantage, Linux Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2015-11-20 13:32 +0000
                          Re: Advantage, Linux chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-11-20 07:43 -0600
                            Re: Advantage, Linux Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-11-20 08:58 -0500
                          Re: Advantage, Linux Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-11-20 08:57 -0500
                            Re: Advantage, Linux Lloyd Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2015-11-20 08:15 -0600
                              Re: Advantage, Linux Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-11-20 12:51 -0500
                          Re: Advantage, Linux Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2015-11-20 14:01 +0000
                          Re: Advantage, Linux ronb <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2015-11-21 02:48 +0000
                            Re: Advantage, Linux Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2015-11-21 09:30 +0000
              Re: Advantage, Linux JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> - 2015-11-18 19:11 -0600
              Re: Advantage, Linux Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2015-11-19 14:19 +0000
          Re: Advantage, Linux Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-11-18 15:50 +0000
            Re: Advantage, Linux Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-11-18 11:25 -0500
          Re: Advantage, Linux Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2015-11-19 08:21 +0000
            Re: Advantage, Linux Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-11-19 08:18 -0500
        Re: Advantage, Linux Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-11-18 15:49 +0000
          Re: Advantage, Linux Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2015-11-18 16:51 +0100
            Re: Advantage, Linux Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-11-18 15:53 +0000
        Re: Advantage, Linux Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2015-11-19 08:19 +0000
    Re: Advantage, Linux DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-11-18 12:49 -0500

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#333578

FromJEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet>
Date2015-11-18 14:06 -0600
Message-ID<slrnn4pmin.1ii.jedi@nomad.mishnet>
In reply to#333565
On 2015-11-18, Justin <justin@nobecauseihatespam.edu> wrote:
> On Wed, 18 Nov 2015 13:10:37 -0500
> DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:
>
>> On 11/18/2015 1:04 PM, Slimer wrote:
>> > On 2015-11-18 12:48 PM, DFS wrote:
>> >> On 11/18/2015 7:01 AM, Desk Rabbit wrote:
>> >>> On 18/11/2015 11:09, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>> >>>> Run aptitude, refresh the package status, see over 1 Gb of
>> >>>> updates (this is
>> >>>> Debian unstable), start the timer....

[deletia]

>> "I use a Unix-based OS, which means I get laid about as often as I
>> have to reboot my computer."
>> 
>> http://jeffhoogland.blogspot.com/2010/11/i-am-linux-geek-and-proud-of-it.html
>> 
>> 
>> ps except for owl, who claims he bedded tons of hot babes.
>
>
> http://postimg.org/image/6lgxnjfy9/
>
> bash-3.2$ 
> bash-3.2$ uname -a
> Darwin Justins-MacBook-Pro 14.5.0 Darwin Kernel Version 14.5.0: Tue
> Sep  1 21:23:09 PDT 2015; root:xnu-2782.50.1~1/RELEASE_X86_64 x86_64
> bash-3.2$
>
> OSX FTW!  as usual.
> Name one thing Linux can do OSX can't.  Maybe I'll make a new

    System updates without reboots.

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#333589

FromJustin <justin@nobecauseihatespam.edu>
Date2015-11-18 16:04 -0500
Message-ID<20151118160442.3809b364@Justins-MacBook-Pro>
In reply to#333578
On Wed, 18 Nov 2015 14:06:47 -0600
JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> wrote:

> On 2015-11-18, Justin <justin@nobecauseihatespam.edu> wrote:
> > On Wed, 18 Nov 2015 13:10:37 -0500
> > DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On 11/18/2015 1:04 PM, Slimer wrote:
> >> > On 2015-11-18 12:48 PM, DFS wrote:
> >> >> On 11/18/2015 7:01 AM, Desk Rabbit wrote:
> >> >>> On 18/11/2015 11:09, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
> >> >>>> Run aptitude, refresh the package status, see over 1 Gb of
> >> >>>> updates (this is
> >> >>>> Debian unstable), start the timer....
> 
> [deletia]
> 
> >> "I use a Unix-based OS, which means I get laid about as often as I
> >> have to reboot my computer."
> >> 
> >> http://jeffhoogland.blogspot.com/2010/11/i-am-linux-geek-and-proud-of-it.html
> >> 
> >> 
> >> ps except for owl, who claims he bedded tons of hot babes.
> >
> >
> > http://postimg.org/image/6lgxnjfy9/
> >
> > bash-3.2$ 
> > bash-3.2$ uname -a
> > Darwin Justins-MacBook-Pro 14.5.0 Darwin Kernel Version 14.5.0: Tue
> > Sep  1 21:23:09 PDT 2015; root:xnu-2782.50.1~1/RELEASE_X86_64 x86_64
> > bash-3.2$
> >
> > OSX FTW!  as usual.
> > Name one thing Linux can do OSX can't.  Maybe I'll make a new
> 
>     System updates without reboots.
> 

Wow, you mean a feature thats only been around since version 4.0?  two
months?
Come on, you can do better!  How about a fundamental security advantage?

-- 
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#333599

FromPeter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de>
Date2015-11-18 23:02 +0100
Message-ID<n2isci$aus$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#333589
Justin wrote:

> On Wed, 18 Nov 2015 14:06:47 -0600
> JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> wrote:
> 
>> On 2015-11-18, Justin <justin@nobecauseihatespam.edu> wrote:
>> > On Wed, 18 Nov 2015 13:10:37 -0500
>> > DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> On 11/18/2015 1:04 PM, Slimer wrote:
>> >> > On 2015-11-18 12:48 PM, DFS wrote:
>> >> >> On 11/18/2015 7:01 AM, Desk Rabbit wrote:
>> >> >>> On 18/11/2015 11:09, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>> >> >>>> Run aptitude, refresh the package status, see over 1 Gb of
>> >> >>>> updates (this is
>> >> >>>> Debian unstable), start the timer....
>> 
>> [deletia]
>> 
>> >> "I use a Unix-based OS, which means I get laid about as often as I
>> >> have to reboot my computer."
>> >> 
>> >> http://jeffhoogland.blogspot.com/2010/11/i-am-linux-geek-and-proud-of-it.html
>> >> 
>> >> 
>> >> ps except for owl, who claims he bedded tons of hot babes.
>> >
>> >
>> > http://postimg.org/image/6lgxnjfy9/
>> >
>> > bash-3.2$
>> > bash-3.2$ uname -a
>> > Darwin Justins-MacBook-Pro 14.5.0 Darwin Kernel Version 14.5.0: Tue
>> > Sep  1 21:23:09 PDT 2015; root:xnu-2782.50.1~1/RELEASE_X86_64 x86_64
>> > bash-3.2$
>> >
>> > OSX FTW!  as usual.
>> > Name one thing Linux can do OSX can't.  Maybe I'll make a new
>> 
>>     System updates without reboots.
>> 
> 
> Wow, you mean a feature thats only been around since version 4.0?  two
> months?
> Come on, you can do better!  How about a fundamental security advantage?
> 

It is longer around than that. Much longer

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#333645

FromJEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet>
Date2015-11-18 19:12 -0600
Message-ID<slrnn4q8fq.kt4.jedi@nomad.mishnet>
In reply to#333589
On 2015-11-18, Justin <justin@nobecauseihatespam.edu> wrote:
> On Wed, 18 Nov 2015 14:06:47 -0600
> JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> wrote:
>
>> On 2015-11-18, Justin <justin@nobecauseihatespam.edu> wrote:
>> > On Wed, 18 Nov 2015 13:10:37 -0500
>> > DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> On 11/18/2015 1:04 PM, Slimer wrote:
>> >> > On 2015-11-18 12:48 PM, DFS wrote:
>> >> >> On 11/18/2015 7:01 AM, Desk Rabbit wrote:
>> >> >>> On 18/11/2015 11:09, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>> >> >>>> Run aptitude, refresh the package status, see over 1 Gb of
>> >> >>>> updates (this is
>> >> >>>> Debian unstable), start the timer....
>> 
>> [deletia]
>> 
>> >> "I use a Unix-based OS, which means I get laid about as often as I
>> >> have to reboot my computer."
>> >> 
>> >> http://jeffhoogland.blogspot.com/2010/11/i-am-linux-geek-and-proud-of-it.html
>> >> 
>> >> 
>> >> ps except for owl, who claims he bedded tons of hot babes.
>> >
>> >
>> > http://postimg.org/image/6lgxnjfy9/
>> >
>> > bash-3.2$ 
>> > bash-3.2$ uname -a
>> > Darwin Justins-MacBook-Pro 14.5.0 Darwin Kernel Version 14.5.0: Tue
>> > Sep  1 21:23:09 PDT 2015; root:xnu-2782.50.1~1/RELEASE_X86_64 x86_64
>> > bash-3.2$
>> >
>> > OSX FTW!  as usual.
>> > Name one thing Linux can do OSX can't.  Maybe I'll make a new
>> 
>>     System updates without reboots.
>> 
>
> Wow, you mean a feature thats only been around since version 4.0?  two

  Nope. Been there, done that. You can't bullshit me.

  Try someone else that hasn't actually owned Macs.

[deletia]
   

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#333677

FromJustin <justin@nobecauseihatespam.edu>
Date2015-11-19 09:17 -0500
Message-ID<n2klhn$ml4$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#333645
On Wed, 18 Nov 2015 19:12:26 -0600
JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> wrote:

> On 2015-11-18, Justin <justin@nobecauseihatespam.edu> wrote:
> > On Wed, 18 Nov 2015 14:06:47 -0600
> > JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> wrote:
> >
> >> On 2015-11-18, Justin <justin@nobecauseihatespam.edu> wrote:
> >> > On Wed, 18 Nov 2015 13:10:37 -0500
> >> > DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> On 11/18/2015 1:04 PM, Slimer wrote:
> >> >> > On 2015-11-18 12:48 PM, DFS wrote:
> >> >> >> On 11/18/2015 7:01 AM, Desk Rabbit wrote:
> >> >> >>> On 18/11/2015 11:09, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
> >> >> >>>> Run aptitude, refresh the package status, see over 1 Gb of
> >> >> >>>> updates (this is
> >> >> >>>> Debian unstable), start the timer....
> >> 
> >> [deletia]
> >> 
> >> >> "I use a Unix-based OS, which means I get laid about as often
> >> >> as I have to reboot my computer."
> >> >> 
> >> >> http://jeffhoogland.blogspot.com/2010/11/i-am-linux-geek-and-proud-of-it.html
> >> >> 
> >> >> 
> >> >> ps except for owl, who claims he bedded tons of hot babes.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > http://postimg.org/image/6lgxnjfy9/
> >> >
> >> > bash-3.2$ 
> >> > bash-3.2$ uname -a
> >> > Darwin Justins-MacBook-Pro 14.5.0 Darwin Kernel Version 14.5.0:
> >> > Tue Sep  1 21:23:09 PDT 2015;
> >> > root:xnu-2782.50.1~1/RELEASE_X86_64 x86_64 bash-3.2$
> >> >
> >> > OSX FTW!  as usual.
> >> > Name one thing Linux can do OSX can't.  Maybe I'll make a new
> >> 
> >>     System updates without reboots.
> >> 
> >
> > Wow, you mean a feature thats only been around since version 4.0?
> > two
> 
>   Nope. Been there, done that. You can't bullshit me.
> 
>   Try someone else that hasn't actually owned Macs.
> 
> [deletia]
>    


You bullshit yourself, no need for me to assist.  But, if you believe
in something hard enough, eventually it becomes true!  There are four
lights.

-- 
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#333683

FromPeter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de>
Date2015-11-19 15:38 +0100
Message-ID<n2kmoi$r4a$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#333677
Justin wrote:

> On Wed, 18 Nov 2015 19:12:26 -0600
> JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> wrote:
> 
>> On 2015-11-18, Justin <justin@nobecauseihatespam.edu> wrote:
>> > On Wed, 18 Nov 2015 14:06:47 -0600
>> > JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> wrote:
>> >
>> >> On 2015-11-18, Justin <justin@nobecauseihatespam.edu> wrote:
>> >> > On Wed, 18 Nov 2015 13:10:37 -0500
>> >> > DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> On 11/18/2015 1:04 PM, Slimer wrote:
>> >> >> > On 2015-11-18 12:48 PM, DFS wrote:
>> >> >> >> On 11/18/2015 7:01 AM, Desk Rabbit wrote:
>> >> >> >>> On 18/11/2015 11:09, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>> >> >> >>>> Run aptitude, refresh the package status, see over 1 Gb of
>> >> >> >>>> updates (this is
>> >> >> >>>> Debian unstable), start the timer....
>> >> 
>> >> [deletia]
>> >> 
>> >> >> "I use a Unix-based OS, which means I get laid about as often
>> >> >> as I have to reboot my computer."
>> >> >> 
>> >> >> http://jeffhoogland.blogspot.com/2010/11/i-am-linux-geek-and-proud-of-it.html
>> >> >> 
>> >> >> 
>> >> >> ps except for owl, who claims he bedded tons of hot babes.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > http://postimg.org/image/6lgxnjfy9/
>> >> >
>> >> > bash-3.2$
>> >> > bash-3.2$ uname -a
>> >> > Darwin Justins-MacBook-Pro 14.5.0 Darwin Kernel Version 14.5.0:
>> >> > Tue Sep  1 21:23:09 PDT 2015;
>> >> > root:xnu-2782.50.1~1/RELEASE_X86_64 x86_64 bash-3.2$
>> >> >
>> >> > OSX FTW!  as usual.
>> >> > Name one thing Linux can do OSX can't.  Maybe I'll make a new
>> >> 
>> >>     System updates without reboots.
>> >> 
>> >
>> > Wow, you mean a feature thats only been around since version 4.0?
>> > two
>> 
>>   Nope. Been there, done that. You can't bullshit me.
>> 
>>   Try someone else that hasn't actually owned Macs.
>> 
>> [deletia]
>>    
> 
> 
> You bullshit yourself, no need for me to assist.  But, if you believe
> in something hard enough, eventually it becomes true!  There are four
> lights.
> 

Macs require a reboot most of the time after updates. Linux only when a 
kernel is replaced, and with KSplice even then not really

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#333688

FromJustin <justin@nobecauseihatespam.edu>
Date2015-11-19 09:50 -0500
Message-ID<n2kng1$ml4$7@dont-email.me>
In reply to#333683
On Thu, 19 Nov 2015 15:38:22 +0100
Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> wrote:

> Justin wrote:
> 
> > On Wed, 18 Nov 2015 19:12:26 -0600
> > JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> wrote:
> > 
> >> On 2015-11-18, Justin <justin@nobecauseihatespam.edu> wrote:
> >> > On Wed, 18 Nov 2015 14:06:47 -0600
> >> > JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> On 2015-11-18, Justin <justin@nobecauseihatespam.edu> wrote:
> >> >> > On Wed, 18 Nov 2015 13:10:37 -0500
> >> >> > DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> On 11/18/2015 1:04 PM, Slimer wrote:
> >> >> >> > On 2015-11-18 12:48 PM, DFS wrote:
> >> >> >> >> On 11/18/2015 7:01 AM, Desk Rabbit wrote:
> >> >> >> >>> On 18/11/2015 11:09, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
> >> >> >> >>>> Run aptitude, refresh the package status, see over 1 Gb
> >> >> >> >>>> of updates (this is
> >> >> >> >>>> Debian unstable), start the timer....
> >> >> 
> >> >> [deletia]
> >> >> 
> >> >> >> "I use a Unix-based OS, which means I get laid about as often
> >> >> >> as I have to reboot my computer."
> >> >> >> 
> >> >> >> http://jeffhoogland.blogspot.com/2010/11/i-am-linux-geek-and-proud-of-it.html
> >> >> >> 
> >> >> >> 
> >> >> >> ps except for owl, who claims he bedded tons of hot babes.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > http://postimg.org/image/6lgxnjfy9/
> >> >> >
> >> >> > bash-3.2$
> >> >> > bash-3.2$ uname -a
> >> >> > Darwin Justins-MacBook-Pro 14.5.0 Darwin Kernel Version
> >> >> > 14.5.0: Tue Sep  1 21:23:09 PDT 2015;
> >> >> > root:xnu-2782.50.1~1/RELEASE_X86_64 x86_64 bash-3.2$
> >> >> >
> >> >> > OSX FTW!  as usual.
> >> >> > Name one thing Linux can do OSX can't.  Maybe I'll make a new
> >> >> 
> >> >>     System updates without reboots.
> >> >> 
> >> >
> >> > Wow, you mean a feature thats only been around since version 4.0?
> >> > two
> >> 
> >>   Nope. Been there, done that. You can't bullshit me.
> >> 
> >>   Try someone else that hasn't actually owned Macs.
> >> 
> >> [deletia]
> >>    
> > 
> > 
> > You bullshit yourself, no need for me to assist.  But, if you
> > believe in something hard enough, eventually it becomes true!
> > There are four lights.
> > 
> 
> Macs require a reboot most of the time after updates. Linux only when
> a kernel is replaced, and with KSplice even then not really

and even after the reboot, they still can't read FAT64.
However, I'm screwing around with UDF per somebody's post on here.

$ sudo newfs_udf -v "Corsair64GB" -b 2048 /dev/disk2 --wipefs yes
write to block device: /dev/disk2  last written block address: 30249983

UDF does seem slow writing a 50GB file.  Yes, I regularly have to
transfer 50GB+.  Mostly CAD.

-- 
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#333708

FromJEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet>
Date2015-11-19 10:26 -0600
Message-ID<slrnn4ru0o.t0o.jedi@nomad.mishnet>
In reply to#333688
On 2015-11-19, Justin <justin@nobecauseihatespam.edu> wrote:
> On Thu, 19 Nov 2015 15:38:22 +0100
> Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> wrote:
>
>> Justin wrote:
>> 
>> > On Wed, 18 Nov 2015 19:12:26 -0600
>> > JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> wrote:
>> > 
>> >> On 2015-11-18, Justin <justin@nobecauseihatespam.edu> wrote:
>> >> > On Wed, 18 Nov 2015 14:06:47 -0600
>> >> > JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> On 2015-11-18, Justin <justin@nobecauseihatespam.edu> wrote:
>> >> >> > On Wed, 18 Nov 2015 13:10:37 -0500
>> >> >> > DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> On 11/18/2015 1:04 PM, Slimer wrote:
>> >> >> >> > On 2015-11-18 12:48 PM, DFS wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> On 11/18/2015 7:01 AM, Desk Rabbit wrote:
>> >> >> >> >>> On 18/11/2015 11:09, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>> >> >> >> >>>> Run aptitude, refresh the package status, see over 1 Gb
>> >> >> >> >>>> of updates (this is
>> >> >> >> >>>> Debian unstable), start the timer....
>> >> >> 
>> >> >> [deletia]
>> >> >> 
>> >> >> >> "I use a Unix-based OS, which means I get laid about as often
>> >> >> >> as I have to reboot my computer."
>> >> >> >> 
>> >> >> >> http://jeffhoogland.blogspot.com/2010/11/i-am-linux-geek-and-proud-of-it.html
>> >> >> >> 
>> >> >> >> 
>> >> >> >> ps except for owl, who claims he bedded tons of hot babes.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > http://postimg.org/image/6lgxnjfy9/
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > bash-3.2$
>> >> >> > bash-3.2$ uname -a
>> >> >> > Darwin Justins-MacBook-Pro 14.5.0 Darwin Kernel Version
>> >> >> > 14.5.0: Tue Sep  1 21:23:09 PDT 2015;
>> >> >> > root:xnu-2782.50.1~1/RELEASE_X86_64 x86_64 bash-3.2$
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > OSX FTW!  as usual.
>> >> >> > Name one thing Linux can do OSX can't.  Maybe I'll make a new
>> >> >> 
>> >> >>     System updates without reboots.
>> >> >> 
>> >> >
>> >> > Wow, you mean a feature thats only been around since version 4.0?
>> >> > two
>> >> 
>> >>   Nope. Been there, done that. You can't bullshit me.
>> >> 
>> >>   Try someone else that hasn't actually owned Macs.
>> >> 
>> >> [deletia]
>> >>    
>> > 
>> > 
>> > You bullshit yourself, no need for me to assist.  But, if you
>> > believe in something hard enough, eventually it becomes true!
>> > There are four lights.
>> > 
>> 
>> Macs require a reboot most of the time after updates. Linux only when
>> a kernel is replaced, and with KSplice even then not really
>
> and even after the reboot, they still can't read FAT64.

...isn't this all just a smokescreen to distract from the lack of sufficient
NTFS support in MacOS?

[deletia]

   Linux desktops have no problems with exFAT.

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#333720

FromPeter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de>
Date2015-11-19 18:10 +0100
Message-ID<n2kvlq$kd$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#333708
JEDIDIAH wrote:

> On 2015-11-19, Justin <justin@nobecauseihatespam.edu> wrote:
>> On Thu, 19 Nov 2015 15:38:22 +0100
>> Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> wrote:
>>
>>> Justin wrote:
>>> 
>>> > On Wed, 18 Nov 2015 19:12:26 -0600
>>> > JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> wrote:
>>> > 
>>> >> On 2015-11-18, Justin <justin@nobecauseihatespam.edu> wrote:
>>> >> > On Wed, 18 Nov 2015 14:06:47 -0600
>>> >> > JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> wrote:
>>> >> >
>>> >> >> On 2015-11-18, Justin <justin@nobecauseihatespam.edu> wrote:
>>> >> >> > On Wed, 18 Nov 2015 13:10:37 -0500
>>> >> >> > DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >> On 11/18/2015 1:04 PM, Slimer wrote:
>>> >> >> >> > On 2015-11-18 12:48 PM, DFS wrote:
>>> >> >> >> >> On 11/18/2015 7:01 AM, Desk Rabbit wrote:
>>> >> >> >> >>> On 18/11/2015 11:09, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>>> >> >> >> >>>> Run aptitude, refresh the package status, see over 1 Gb
>>> >> >> >> >>>> of updates (this is
>>> >> >> >> >>>> Debian unstable), start the timer....
>>> >> >> 
>>> >> >> [deletia]
>>> >> >> 
>>> >> >> >> "I use a Unix-based OS, which means I get laid about as often
>>> >> >> >> as I have to reboot my computer."
>>> >> >> >> 
>>> >> >> >> http://jeffhoogland.blogspot.com/2010/11/i-am-linux-geek-and-proud-of-it.html
>>> >> >> >> 
>>> >> >> >> 
>>> >> >> >> ps except for owl, who claims he bedded tons of hot babes.
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> > http://postimg.org/image/6lgxnjfy9/
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> > bash-3.2$
>>> >> >> > bash-3.2$ uname -a
>>> >> >> > Darwin Justins-MacBook-Pro 14.5.0 Darwin Kernel Version
>>> >> >> > 14.5.0: Tue Sep  1 21:23:09 PDT 2015;
>>> >> >> > root:xnu-2782.50.1~1/RELEASE_X86_64 x86_64 bash-3.2$
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> > OSX FTW!  as usual.
>>> >> >> > Name one thing Linux can do OSX can't.  Maybe I'll make a new
>>> >> >> 
>>> >> >>     System updates without reboots.
>>> >> >> 
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Wow, you mean a feature thats only been around since version 4.0?
>>> >> > two
>>> >> 
>>> >>   Nope. Been there, done that. You can't bullshit me.
>>> >> 
>>> >>   Try someone else that hasn't actually owned Macs.
>>> >> 
>>> >> [deletia]
>>> >>    
>>> > 
>>> > 
>>> > You bullshit yourself, no need for me to assist.  But, if you
>>> > believe in something hard enough, eventually it becomes true!
>>> > There are four lights.
>>> > 
>>> 
>>> Macs require a reboot most of the time after updates. Linux only when
>>> a kernel is replaced, and with KSplice even then not really
>>
>> and even after the reboot, they still can't read FAT64.

Maybe *you* can't. Because you were born stupid and from that point on it 
went steeply downhill
Normal linux users have no problems reading FAT64 (exFAT) volumes

> ...isn't this all just a smokescreen to distract from the lack of
> sufficient NTFS support in MacOS?
> 

You mean that horrible shitty "support" which does not even come out of the 
box? Those poor dimbulbs on OSX have to buy a NTFS driver which isn't half 
as good as the NTFS driver which is part of linux
Well, after all, even their native FS (HFS+) sucks donkey dicks, so those 
morons are used to third rate "solutions"

> [deletia]
> 
>    Linux desktops have no problems with exFAT.

And hasn't had for a long time.

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#333738

FromChris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us>
Date2015-11-19 15:41 -0500
Message-ID<n2lc3o$khs$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#333720
Peter Köhlmann wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

> JEDIDIAH wrote:
>
>> On 2015-11-19, Justin <justin@nobecauseihatespam.edu> wrote:
>>>> >> >> > DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:
>>>> >> >> >> On 11/18/2015 1:04 PM, Slimer wrote:

Aw, how cute.  The 3 little pigs.

>> [deletia]
>> 
>>    Linux desktops have no problems with exFAT.
>
> And hasn't had for a long time.

I just got this 64 Gb SanDisk USB drive.  Plugged it in, mounted it up,
good to go.

But it turns out it is formatted as FAT32 (vfat).

I guess SanDisk figures it can sell its dongles cheaper if they
don't pay Microsoft's patent tax for exFAT?

-- 
Mind!  I don't mean to say that I know, of my own knowledge, what there is
particularly dead about a door-nail.  I might have been inclined, myself,
to regard a coffin-nail as the deadest piece of ironmongery in the trade.
But the wisdom of our ancestors is in the simile; and my unhallowed hands
shall not disturb it, or the Country's done for.  You will therefore permit
me to repeat, emphatically, that Marley was as dead as a door-nail.
		-- Charles Dickens, "A Christmas Carol"

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#333744

FromJEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet>
Date2015-11-19 15:15 -0600
Message-ID<slrnn4sevr.9ci.jedi@nomad.mishnet>
In reply to#333738
On 2015-11-19, Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote:
> Peter Köhlmann wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>
>> JEDIDIAH wrote:
>>
>>> On 2015-11-19, Justin <justin@nobecauseihatespam.edu> wrote:
>>>>> >> >> > DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:
>>>>> >> >> >> On 11/18/2015 1:04 PM, Slimer wrote:
>
> Aw, how cute.  The 3 little pigs.
>
>>> [deletia]
>>> 
>>>    Linux desktops have no problems with exFAT.
>>
>> And hasn't had for a long time.
>
> I just got this 64 Gb SanDisk USB drive.  Plugged it in, mounted it up,
> good to go.
>
> But it turns out it is formatted as FAT32 (vfat).
>
> I guess SanDisk figures it can sell its dongles cheaper if they
> don't pay Microsoft's patent tax for exFAT?
>

  Their 200G card is supposed to be formated exFAT. I will see how it
does by itself before I plug it into the phone.

  The funny thing is that anything I have that might be too big for FAT32
would get re-compressed anyways. I also wouldn't want BD sized home video
files either. 64G or even 512G are both pretty small to be putting huge
files onto. Plus with a mobile device, conserving space quickly becomes
an overridding consideration.

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#333755

Fromowl <owl@rooftop.invalid>
Date2015-11-19 22:54 +0000
Message-ID<fhnmcif03.a@rooftop.invalid>
In reply to#333738
Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote:
> Peter Köhlmann wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
> 
>> JEDIDIAH wrote:
>>
>>> On 2015-11-19, Justin <justin@nobecauseihatespam.edu> wrote:
>>>>> >> >> > DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:
>>>>> >> >> >> On 11/18/2015 1:04 PM, Slimer wrote:
> 
> Aw, how cute.  The 3 little pigs.
> 
>>> [deletia]
>>> 
>>>    Linux desktops have no problems with exFAT.
>>
>> And hasn't had for a long time.
> 
> I just got this 64 Gb SanDisk USB drive.  Plugged it in, mounted it up,
> good to go.
> 
> But it turns out it is formatted as FAT32 (vfat).
> 
> I guess SanDisk figures it can sell its dongles cheaper if they
> don't pay Microsoft's patent tax for exFAT?
> 

Dongles.

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#333586

FromChris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us>
Date2015-11-18 15:51 -0500
Message-ID<n2io9u$qbq$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#333565
Justin wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

> On Wed, 18 Nov 2015 13:10:37 -0500
> DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:
>> On 11/18/2015 1:04 PM, Slimer wrote:
>> > On 2015-11-18 12:48 PM, DFS wrote:
>> >> On 11/18/2015 7:01 AM, Desk Rabbit wrote:
>
> <idiocy snipped unread>
>
> bash-3.2$ 
> bash-3.2$ uname -a
> Darwin Justins-MacBook-Pro 14.5.0 Darwin Kernel Version 14.5.0: Tue
> Sep  1 21:23:09 PDT 2015; root:xnu-2782.50.1~1/RELEASE_X86_64 x86_64
> bash-3.2$
>
> OSX FTW!  as usual.
> Name one thing Linux can do OSX can't.

Be installed on as many computers as you want, without cost.

> Maybe I'll make a new
> thread about that very subject.

Really, who cares if one platform has "something" you "can't do" on
another platform?  It's like saying "Name one thing a Ford can do that
a Chevy can't."  Too diffuse to admit of an answer.

-- 
Beware of a tall blond man with one black shoe.

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#333648

From"Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com>
Date2015-11-18 20:52 -0500
Message-ID<n2j9so$psk$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#333565
"Justin" <justin@nobecauseihatespam.edu> wrote in message 
news:20151118135632.4749fc6b@Justins-MacBook-Pro...
> On Wed, 18 Nov 2015 13:10:37 -0500
> DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:
>
>> On 11/18/2015 1:04 PM, Slimer wrote:
>> > On 2015-11-18 12:48 PM, DFS wrote:
>> >> On 11/18/2015 7:01 AM, Desk Rabbit wrote:
>> >>> On 18/11/2015 11:09, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>> >>>> Run aptitude, refresh the package status, see over 1 Gb of
>> >>>> updates (this is
>> >>>> Debian unstable), start the timer....
>> >>>>
>> >>>> .... 11 minutes later, update done.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I shudder to think how long this update would take on
>> >>>> <laughing> Windows.
>> >>>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Why does it even matter, who sits looking at their machine doing
>> >>> updates? I bet you love sitting and watching paint dry as well.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> It matters to them because so much of the FOSS hobbyware is
>> >> released in a half-ass state, and is updated every Sunday night
>> >> after Mom's basement is cleaned to her satisfaction.
>> >
>> > ROFLMAO, awesome.
>> >
>> >> Example: over a year ago, the "production" version of LibreOffice
>> >> included a feature called 'Expert Configuration' (Tools | Options |
>> >> LibreOffice | Advanced | Expert Configuration).  It was a list of
>> >> nearly 15,000 (wtf?) system properties and configuration options.
>> >> You could edit about 2/3 of them, but the list couldn't be sorted
>> >> or searched or filtered, and there was no documentation behind it
>> >> whatsoever.  Total and complete hobby shit released well before it
>> >> was ready.
>> >
>> > If the Linux losers had their way, they'd release contraception
>> > which required you to RTFM just to rip the wrapper and where
>> > deciding not to read one of the manual's 15,000 pages would result
>> > in a guaranteed pregnancy.
>>
>>
>> "I use a Unix-based OS, which means I get laid about as often as I
>> have to reboot my computer."
>>
>> http://jeffhoogland.blogspot.com/2010/11/i-am-linux-geek-and-proud-of-it.html
>>
>>
>> ps except for owl, who claims he bedded tons of hot babes.
>
>
> http://postimg.org/image/6lgxnjfy9/
>
> bash-3.2$
> bash-3.2$ uname -a
> Darwin Justins-MacBook-Pro 14.5.0 Darwin Kernel Version 14.5.0: Tue
> Sep  1 21:23:09 PDT 2015; root:xnu-2782.50.1~1/RELEASE_X86_64 x86_64
> bash-3.2$
>

You need to update your OS:

ZekeMac:~ zeke$ uname -a
Darwin ZekeMac 15.0.0 Darwin Kernel Version 15.0.0: Sat Sep 19 15:53:46 PDT 
2015;
root:xnu-3247.10.11~1/RELEASE_X86_64 x86_64

On a Macbook. Not Air, not Pro. Simply a Macbook.

-- 
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#333487

FromSlimer <.m@nsn.s>
Date2015-11-18 09:38 -0500
Message-ID<n2i2cn$qcn$4@dont-email.me>
In reply to#333473
On 2015-11-18 6:09 AM, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
> Run aptitude, refresh the package status, see over 1 Gb of updates (this is
> Debian unstable), start the timer....
> 
> .... 11 minutes later, update done.
> 
> I shudder to think how long this update would take on
> <laughing> Windows.

My wife received a new laptop yesterday, a Yoga Pro 3 with Windows 10. I
performed the updates for her - one of which was major - and it was done
in about 15 minutes.

So what, exactly, is the problem?
-- 
Slimer
EFF & OpenMedia Member / IFAW and PETA Supporter
Death to those who would abuse and kill in the name of Islam.

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#333490

FromLloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com>
Date2015-11-18 14:44 +0000
Message-ID<db3h6iFps2qU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#333487
On Wed, 18 Nov 2015 09:38:29 -0500, Slimer wrote:

> On 2015-11-18 6:09 AM, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>> Run aptitude, refresh the package status, see over 1 Gb of updates
>> (this is Debian unstable), start the timer....
>> 
>> .... 11 minutes later, update done.
>> 
>> I shudder to think how long this update would take on <laughing>
>> Windows.
> 
> My wife received a new laptop yesterday, a Yoga Pro 3 with Windows 10. I
> performed the updates for her - one of which was major - and it was done
> in about 15 minutes.
> 
> So what, exactly, is the problem?

She must not have gotten this last update yet.  It is about 4gb from what 
I read.  I got it and it took a little over an hour if I count the 
download time, and actual update time took about 1/2 hour.

Windows updates are slow, but most are done in the background with no 
more than a restart when it notifies.

BTW, mine was on a Yoga 2 Pro, i7/8GB/256Gb machine with a 100/10 internet 
speed.



-- 
Lloyd

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#333493

FromSlimer <.m@nsn.s>
Date2015-11-18 09:54 -0500
Message-ID<n2i3bj$hm$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#333490
On 2015-11-18 9:44 AM, Lloyd Parsons wrote:
> On Wed, 18 Nov 2015 09:38:29 -0500, Slimer wrote:
> 
>> On 2015-11-18 6:09 AM, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>>> Run aptitude, refresh the package status, see over 1 Gb of updates
>>> (this is Debian unstable), start the timer....
>>>
>>> .... 11 minutes later, update done.
>>>
>>> I shudder to think how long this update would take on <laughing>
>>> Windows.
>>
>> My wife received a new laptop yesterday, a Yoga Pro 3 with Windows 10. I
>> performed the updates for her - one of which was major - and it was done
>> in about 15 minutes.
>>
>> So what, exactly, is the problem?
> 
> She must not have gotten this last update yet.  It is about 4gb from what 
> I read.  I got it and it took a little over an hour if I count the 
> download time, and actual update time took about 1/2 hour.

That might have been what it was to be honest. The one issue that I did
face was that it almost refused to install. Windows was aware that an
update needed to be installed but refused to apply it for whatever
reason. I managed to force it to update by using a little trick I came
up with (remove IE and WMP, restart, reinstall, restart, apply updates).
I'm not too sure what caused the loop on the brand new machine but it
wasn't a big deal either way.

> Windows updates are slow, but most are done in the background with no 
> more than a restart when it notifies.

Absolutely. I don't even notice them on my laptop at all. It is a
transparent process which, to date on my computer, hasn't caused a
single issue. Additionally, it ensures that I have a constantly secure
machine which gives me no reason to install an anti-virus of any kind.

> BTW, mine was on a Yoga 2 Pro, i7/8GB/256Gb machine with a 100/10 internet 
> speed.

I have 50/50 on my side, I'm not sure what took so much time for you. I
like the Yoga Pro 3 so far though: I was worried that the hinges holding
the LED panel to the computer would easily break (which is what happened
with my wife's previous Lenovo) but they fixed the problem by using
metal hinges similar to what the Microsoft SurfaceBook uses. It's a
nifty little machine either way but its specs are lower than yours are
(it uses a Core M running at 1.2GHz).

-- 
Slimer
EFF & OpenMedia Member / IFAW and PETA Supporter
Death to those who would abuse and kill in the name of Islam.

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#333497

FromLloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com>
Date2015-11-18 15:16 +0000
Message-ID<db3j31Fps2qU2@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#333493
On Wed, 18 Nov 2015 09:54:57 -0500, Slimer wrote:

> On 2015-11-18 9:44 AM, Lloyd Parsons wrote:
>> On Wed, 18 Nov 2015 09:38:29 -0500, Slimer wrote:
>> 
>>> On 2015-11-18 6:09 AM, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>>>> Run aptitude, refresh the package status, see over 1 Gb of updates
>>>> (this is Debian unstable), start the timer....
>>>>
>>>> .... 11 minutes later, update done.
>>>>
>>>> I shudder to think how long this update would take on <laughing>
>>>> Windows.
>>>
>>> My wife received a new laptop yesterday, a Yoga Pro 3 with Windows 10.
>>> I performed the updates for her - one of which was major - and it was
>>> done in about 15 minutes.
>>>
>>> So what, exactly, is the problem?
>> 
>> She must not have gotten this last update yet.  It is about 4gb from
>> what I read.  I got it and it took a little over an hour if I count the
>> download time, and actual update time took about 1/2 hour.
> 
> That might have been what it was to be honest. The one issue that I did
> face was that it almost refused to install. Windows was aware that an
> update needed to be installed but refused to apply it for whatever
> reason. I managed to force it to update by using a little trick I came
> up with (remove IE and WMP, restart, reinstall, restart, apply updates).
> I'm not too sure what caused the loop on the brand new machine but it
> wasn't a big deal either way.
>
I've seen that on numerous occasions when I was bouncing between W8.1/W10 
Preview a bit back.  The other trick that works is to not worry about it 
and it will complete them all over a few days.
 
>> Windows updates are slow, but most are done in the background with no
>> more than a restart when it notifies.
> 
> Absolutely. I don't even notice them on my laptop at all. It is a
> transparent process which, to date on my computer, hasn't caused a
> single issue. Additionally, it ensures that I have a constantly secure
> machine which gives me no reason to install an anti-virus of any kind.
> 
You'll notice this latest one.  It literally looks like a new/upgrade 
install of w10.

>> BTW, mine was on a Yoga 2 Pro, i7/8GB/256Gb machine with a 100/10
>> internet speed.
> 
> I have 50/50 on my side, I'm not sure what took so much time for you. I
> like the Yoga Pro 3 so far though: I was worried that the hinges holding
> the LED panel to the computer would easily break (which is what happened
> with my wife's previous Lenovo) but they fixed the problem by using
> metal hinges similar to what the Microsoft SurfaceBook uses. It's a
> nifty little machine either way but its specs are lower than yours are
> (it uses a Core M running at 1.2GHz).

You don't have the latest one I think, which explains the difference.

Originally I bought a Yoga 3 Pro because it was on sale at the time, 
cheaper than the Yoga 2 Por, it was lighter and I just liked it better, 
or so I thought.  But the performance was off-putting for me, just a 
little too laggy, so I took it back and got the Yoga 2 Pro.

The hinges on the Yoga 3 Pro are a slick design and I suspect they will 
hold up quite well over time.

IMO, while the Core M machines are becoming more prevalent these days, 
they are a bit disappointing.  The idea was that you'd get this very 
reasonable performance with fanless designs and longer battery life.  
Well they have improved the performance quite a bit which is good.  But 
battery life hasn't been much better though it is improved over some of 
the earlier designs.



-- 
Lloyd

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#333512

FromSlimer <.m@nsn.s>
Date2015-11-18 11:23 -0500
Message-ID<n2i8hj$ljs$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#333497
On 2015-11-18 10:16 AM, Lloyd Parsons wrote:
> On Wed, 18 Nov 2015 09:54:57 -0500, Slimer wrote:
> 
>> On 2015-11-18 9:44 AM, Lloyd Parsons wrote:
>>> On Wed, 18 Nov 2015 09:38:29 -0500, Slimer wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2015-11-18 6:09 AM, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>>>>> Run aptitude, refresh the package status, see over 1 Gb of updates
>>>>> (this is Debian unstable), start the timer....
>>>>>
>>>>> .... 11 minutes later, update done.
>>>>>
>>>>> I shudder to think how long this update would take on <laughing>
>>>>> Windows.
>>>>
>>>> My wife received a new laptop yesterday, a Yoga Pro 3 with Windows 10.
>>>> I performed the updates for her - one of which was major - and it was
>>>> done in about 15 minutes.
>>>>
>>>> So what, exactly, is the problem?
>>>
>>> She must not have gotten this last update yet.  It is about 4gb from
>>> what I read.  I got it and it took a little over an hour if I count the
>>> download time, and actual update time took about 1/2 hour.
>>
>> That might have been what it was to be honest. The one issue that I did
>> face was that it almost refused to install. Windows was aware that an
>> update needed to be installed but refused to apply it for whatever
>> reason. I managed to force it to update by using a little trick I came
>> up with (remove IE and WMP, restart, reinstall, restart, apply updates).
>> I'm not too sure what caused the loop on the brand new machine but it
>> wasn't a big deal either way.
>>
> I've seen that on numerous occasions when I was bouncing between W8.1/W10 
> Preview a bit back.  The other trick that works is to not worry about it 
> and it will complete them all over a few days.

I just did the update my wife had to do last night on my own machine. It
completed with no issues whatsoever though I had to remove the backup of
the previous installation myself since the update process didn't do it
on its own.

>> Absolutely. I don't even notice them on my laptop at all. It is a
>> transparent process which, to date on my computer, hasn't caused a
>> single issue. Additionally, it ensures that I have a constantly secure
>> machine which gives me no reason to install an anti-virus of any kind.
>>
> You'll notice this latest one.  It literally looks like a new/upgrade 
> install of w10.

I noticed that a few icons changed but other than that, it seems more or
less the same.

>>> BTW, mine was on a Yoga 2 Pro, i7/8GB/256Gb machine with a 100/10
>>> internet speed.
>>
>> I have 50/50 on my side, I'm not sure what took so much time for you. I
>> like the Yoga Pro 3 so far though: I was worried that the hinges holding
>> the LED panel to the computer would easily break (which is what happened
>> with my wife's previous Lenovo) but they fixed the problem by using
>> metal hinges similar to what the Microsoft SurfaceBook uses. It's a
>> nifty little machine either way but its specs are lower than yours are
>> (it uses a Core M running at 1.2GHz).
> 
> You don't have the latest one I think, which explains the difference.
> 
> Originally I bought a Yoga 3 Pro because it was on sale at the time, 
> cheaper than the Yoga 2 Por, it was lighter and I just liked it better, 
> or so I thought.  But the performance was off-putting for me, just a 
> little too laggy, so I took it back and got the Yoga 2 Pro.
> 
> The hinges on the Yoga 3 Pro are a slick design and I suspect they will 
> hold up quite well over time.
> 
> IMO, while the Core M machines are becoming more prevalent these days, 
> they are a bit disappointing.  The idea was that you'd get this very 
> reasonable performance with fanless designs and longer battery life.  
> Well they have improved the performance quite a bit which is good.  But 
> battery life hasn't been much better though it is improved over some of 
> the earlier designs.

It's a 4-cell battery, I have to admit that I was disappointed to
discover that when I did. Oh well, my wife doesn't care and will hold
onto it for a while.


-- 
Slimer
EFF & OpenMedia Member / IFAW and PETA Supporter
Death to those who would abuse and kill in the name of Islam.

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#333548

FromDFS <nospam@dfs.com>
Date2015-11-18 13:07 -0500
Message-ID<n2iejq$fuk$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#333487
On 11/18/2015 9:38 AM, Slimer wrote:
> On 2015-11-18 6:09 AM, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>> Run aptitude, refresh the package status, see over 1 Gb of updates (this is
>> Debian unstable), start the timer....
>>
>> .... 11 minutes later, update done.
>>
>> I shudder to think how long this update would take on
>> <laughing> Windows.
>
> My wife received a new laptop yesterday, a Yoga Pro 3 with Windows 10. I
> performed the updates for her - one of which was major - and it was done
> in about 15 minutes.
>
> So what, exactly, is the problem?


The problem is Debian cost $175 billion to develop, but Creepy refuses 
to pay $1.75 for it...



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