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  Obamacare premiums didn't go up except... Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-10-20 20:45 -0400
    Re: Obamacare premiums didn't go up except... Jim Polaski <jpolaski@linuxmail.org> - 2016-10-21 14:17 +0000
      Re: Obamacare premiums didn't go up except... Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-10-21 10:23 -0400
        Re: Obamacare premiums didn't go up except... Jim Polaski <jpolaski@linuxmail.org> - 2016-10-21 14:45 +0000
          Re: Obamacare premiums didn't go up except... Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-10-21 11:53 -0400
            Re: Obamacare premiums didn't go up except... Jim Polaski <jpolaski@linuxmail.org> - 2016-10-21 16:15 +0000
              Re: Obamacare premiums didn't go up except... tmelmosfire <tmelmosfire@gmail.com> - 2016-10-21 09:30 -0700
              Re: Obamacare premiums didn't go up except... Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-10-21 12:51 -0400
                Re: Obamacare premiums didn't go up except... tmelmosfire <tmelmosfire@gmail.com> - 2016-10-21 09:55 -0700
              Re: Obamacare premiums didn't go up except... GreyCloud <Cumulus@mist.com> - 2016-10-21 12:57 -0600
                Re: Obamacare premiums didn't go up except... Jim Polaski <jpolaski@linuxmail.org> - 2016-10-21 20:12 +0000
          Re: Obamacare premiums didn't go up except... Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2016-10-21 09:04 -0700
            Re: Obamacare premiums didn't go up except... tmelmosfire <tmelmosfire@gmail.com> - 2016-10-21 09:27 -0700
      Re: Obamacare premiums didn't go up except... tmelmosfire <tmelmosfire@gmail.com> - 2016-10-21 09:30 -0700

#377085 — Obamacare premiums didn't go up except...

... they did, substantially.

<http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/10/20/nothing-obama-dodges-blame-skyrocketing-premiums/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+breitbart+%28Breitbart+News%29>

-- 
Silver Slimer
Islam is a disease
Gab.ai: @silverslimer

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#377140

On 2016-10-21, Silver Slimer <> wrote:
> ... they did, substantially.
>
><http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/10/20/nothing-obama-dodges-blame-skyrocketing-premiums/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+breitbart+%28Breitbart+News%29>

The Affordable Health Care Act is a travesty and especially for those 
who are working hard at jobs not paying enough money to live on.

My friends in the health care profession are all 100 percent against 
Obamacare.

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#377145

On 2016-10-21 10:17 AM, Jim Polaski wrote:
> On 2016-10-21, Silver Slimer <> wrote:
>> ... they did, substantially.
>>
>> <http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/10/20/nothing-obama-dodges-blame-skyrocketing-premiums/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+breitbart+%28Breitbart+News%29>
> 
> The Affordable Health Care Act is a travesty and especially for those 
> who are working hard at jobs not paying enough money to live on.
> 
> My friends in the health care profession are all 100 percent against 
> Obamacare.

I'm not in the United States to experience it first-hand but from what
I've read, extensively I might add, it almost seems like a scam to
impoverish both employees and employers in favour of those who are
already dirt poor.

-- 
Silver Slimer
Islam is a disease
Gab.ai: @silverslimer

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#377150

On 2016-10-21, Silver Slimer <> wrote:
> On 2016-10-21 10:17 AM, Jim Polaski wrote:
>> On 2016-10-21, Silver Slimer <> wrote:
>>> ... they did, substantially.
>>>
>>> <http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/10/20/nothing-obama-dodges-blame-skyrocketing-premiums/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+breitbart+%28Breitbart+News%29>
>> 
>> The Affordable Health Care Act is a travesty and especially for those 
>> who are working hard at jobs not paying enough money to live on.
>> 
>> My friends in the health care profession are all 100 percent against 
>> Obamacare.
>
> I'm not in the United States to experience it first-hand but from what
> I've read, extensively I might add, it almost seems like a scam to
> impoverish both employees and employers in favour of those who are
> already dirt poor.

The insurance companies are are dropping out of the plan.
The only people it seems to be helping are those who have no intention 
of ever working at a job.
And it even encourages them to not work.

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#377160

On 2016-10-21 10:45 AM, Jim Polaski wrote:
> On 2016-10-21, Silver Slimer <> wrote:
>> On 2016-10-21 10:17 AM, Jim Polaski wrote:
>>> On 2016-10-21, Silver Slimer <> wrote:
>>>> ... they did, substantially.
>>>>
>>>> <http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/10/20/nothing-obama-dodges-blame-skyrocketing-premiums/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+breitbart+%28Breitbart+News%29>
>>>
>>> The Affordable Health Care Act is a travesty and especially for those 
>>> who are working hard at jobs not paying enough money to live on.
>>>
>>> My friends in the health care profession are all 100 percent against 
>>> Obamacare.
>>
>> I'm not in the United States to experience it first-hand but from what
>> I've read, extensively I might add, it almost seems like a scam to
>> impoverish both employees and employers in favour of those who are
>> already dirt poor.
> 
> The insurance companies are are dropping out of the plan.
> The only people it seems to be helping are those who have no intention 
> of ever working at a job.
> And it even encourages them to not work.

So for years I've been reading articles on Infowars and listening to
Alex Jones and his associates speak about what is happening. Every year,
whatever they say is laughed at by the mainstream media or called a
conspiracy theory. Meanwhile, I see most of what he said was going to
happen actually happening. Several years ago, they claimed that
Obamacare was designed to impoverish the population. How is their
prediction incorrect? It wasn't. So far, they've been a LOT more
accurate than the hacks in the mainstream media.

-- 
Silver Slimer
Islam is a disease
Gab.ai: @silverslimer

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#377165

On 2016-10-21, Silver Slimer <> wrote:
> On 2016-10-21 10:45 AM, Jim Polaski wrote:
>> On 2016-10-21, Silver Slimer <> wrote:
>>> On 2016-10-21 10:17 AM, Jim Polaski wrote:
>>>> On 2016-10-21, Silver Slimer <> wrote:
>>>>> ... they did, substantially.
>>>>>
>>>>> <http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/10/20/nothing-obama-dodges-blame-skyrocketing-premiums/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+breitbart+%28Breitbart+News%29>
>>>>
>>>> The Affordable Health Care Act is a travesty and especially for those 
>>>> who are working hard at jobs not paying enough money to live on.
>>>>
>>>> My friends in the health care profession are all 100 percent against 
>>>> Obamacare.
>>>
>>> I'm not in the United States to experience it first-hand but from what
>>> I've read, extensively I might add, it almost seems like a scam to
>>> impoverish both employees and employers in favour of those who are
>>> already dirt poor.
>> 
>> The insurance companies are are dropping out of the plan.
>> The only people it seems to be helping are those who have no intention 
>> of ever working at a job.
>> And it even encourages them to not work.
>
> So for years I've been reading articles on Infowars and listening to
> Alex Jones and his associates speak about what is happening. Every year,
> whatever they say is laughed at by the mainstream media or called a
> conspiracy theory. Meanwhile, I see most of what he said was going to
> happen actually happening. Several years ago, they claimed that
> Obamacare was designed to impoverish the population. How is their
> prediction incorrect? It wasn't. So far, they've been a LOT more
> accurate than the hacks in the mainstream media.
>
Alex Jones is a little off the charts for me but the basic premise is 
certainly coming true. The powers controlling the economy want to have 2 
classes: ultra rich and ultra poor.

And anyone with a brain can easily see how this is coming to pass.

The problem in the USA is that for many, it doesn't pay to work. They 
get better healthcare, higher take home pay, staying on welfare than 
they do working at a job.
So why work just to make less money?

That is what the problem is.

It used to be the USA had manufacturing type jobs where skilled trades 
people could earn a very good living. Not anymore.
Not everyone is college material.
Some people work very well with skilled labor like machinists and so 
forth.
Those jobs barely exist anymore because they have been off-shored.

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#377171

On Friday, 21 October 2016 09:15:09 UTC-7, Jim Polaski  wrote:

> > So for years I've been reading articles on Infowars and listening to
> > Alex Jones and his associates speak about what is happening. Every year,
> > whatever they say is laughed at by the mainstream media or called a
> > conspiracy theory. Meanwhile, I see most of what he said was going to
> > happen actually happening. Several years ago, they claimed that
> > Obamacare was designed to impoverish the population. How is their
> > prediction incorrect? It wasn't. So far, they've been a LOT more
> > accurate than the hacks in the mainstream media.
> >
> Alex Jones is a little off the charts for me but the basic premise is 
> certainly coming true. The powers controlling the economy want to have 2 
> classes: ultra rich and ultra poor.

The libertarian ideal.

> And anyone with a brain can easily see how this is coming to pass.

Conservatives. Sure.

> The problem in the USA is that for many, it doesn't pay to work. They 
> get better healthcare, higher take home pay, staying on welfare than 
> they do working at a job.

Clearly you have never worked with people on welfare. 

> So why work just to make less money?
> 
> That is what the problem is.
> 
> It used to be the USA had manufacturing type jobs where skilled trades 
> people could earn a very good living. Not anymore.

Conservative trade deals and socializing of the rich.

> Not everyone is college material.
> Some people work very well with skilled labor like machinists and so 
> forth.
> Those jobs barely exist anymore because they have been off-shored.

Yet Trump said wages are too high.

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#377178

On 2016-10-21 12:15 PM, Jim Polaski wrote:
> On 2016-10-21, Silver Slimer <> wrote:
>> On 2016-10-21 10:45 AM, Jim Polaski wrote:
>>> On 2016-10-21, Silver Slimer <> wrote:
>>>> On 2016-10-21 10:17 AM, Jim Polaski wrote:
>>>>> On 2016-10-21, Silver Slimer <> wrote:
>>>>>> ... they did, substantially.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/10/20/nothing-obama-dodges-blame-skyrocketing-premiums/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+breitbart+%28Breitbart+News%29>
>>>>>
>>>>> The Affordable Health Care Act is a travesty and especially for those 
>>>>> who are working hard at jobs not paying enough money to live on.
>>>>>
>>>>> My friends in the health care profession are all 100 percent against 
>>>>> Obamacare.
>>>>
>>>> I'm not in the United States to experience it first-hand but from what
>>>> I've read, extensively I might add, it almost seems like a scam to
>>>> impoverish both employees and employers in favour of those who are
>>>> already dirt poor.
>>>
>>> The insurance companies are are dropping out of the plan.
>>> The only people it seems to be helping are those who have no intention 
>>> of ever working at a job.
>>> And it even encourages them to not work.
>>
>> So for years I've been reading articles on Infowars and listening to
>> Alex Jones and his associates speak about what is happening. Every year,
>> whatever they say is laughed at by the mainstream media or called a
>> conspiracy theory. Meanwhile, I see most of what he said was going to
>> happen actually happening. Several years ago, they claimed that
>> Obamacare was designed to impoverish the population. How is their
>> prediction incorrect? It wasn't. So far, they've been a LOT more
>> accurate than the hacks in the mainstream media.
>>
> Alex Jones is a little off the charts for me but the basic premise is 
> certainly coming true. The powers controlling the economy want to have 2 
> classes: ultra rich and ultra poor.

To be honest, I have a lot of trouble following him directly. His rants
get annoying after a while, he digresses quite a bit and interrupts
anyone he is talking to incessantly. I prefer people like Kit Daniels
and Paul Joseph Watson who are the true stars there.

> And anyone with a brain can easily see how this is coming to pass.
> 
> The problem in the USA is that for many, it doesn't pay to work. They 
> get better healthcare, higher take home pay, staying on welfare than 
> they do working at a job.
> So why work just to make less money?
> 
> That is what the problem is.

It's the same problem in the European Union actually. I visited the
Azores a while ago. It's a small but proud area and the people there had
a proud tradition of farming and living a modest life. Once Portugal
became a part of the EU, it became more profitable to let the family
farm rot and do nothing. The kids are on drugs and welfare and those who
used to produce fruits and vegetables are essentially sitting on their
butts and watching TV. It's a sad reality.

> It used to be the USA had manufacturing type jobs where skilled trades 
> people could earn a very good living. Not anymore.
> Not everyone is college material.
> Some people work very well with skilled labor like machinists and so 
> forth.
> Those jobs barely exist anymore because they have been off-shored.

Which is why Trump makes a lot of sense. One thing I would be very happy
to do, for instance, is buy American cars. The problem is that the cars
produced by American car companies are absolute garbage for two reasons:
they parts themselves are crap and the people working on them have no
pride in their work or the company they work for. A lot of it has to do
with the fact that they feel their job can be off-shored at any moment.
With Trump there, not only would he forced those American corporations
to return the labour to the United States through tariffs, but he would
provide greater job security which also leads to greater pride and
greater salaries. The companies might continue to use terrible parts,
but at least those parts will be assembled properly.

-- 
Silver Slimer
Islam is a disease
Gab.ai: @silverslimer

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#377179

On Friday, 21 October 2016 09:51:38 UTC-7, Silver Slimer  wrote:

> Which is why Trump makes a lot of sense. 

What a fucking moron you are.

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#377203

Jim Polaski wrote:

> On 2016-10-21, Silver Slimer <> wrote:
>> On 2016-10-21 10:45 AM, Jim Polaski wrote:
>>> On 2016-10-21, Silver Slimer <> wrote:
>>>> On 2016-10-21 10:17 AM, Jim Polaski wrote:
>>>>> On 2016-10-21, Silver Slimer <> wrote:
>>>>>> ... they did, substantially.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/10/20/nothing-obama-dodges-blame-skyrocketing-premiums/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+breitbart+%28Breitbart+News%29>
>>>>>
>>>>> The Affordable Health Care Act is a travesty and especially for those
>>>>> who are working hard at jobs not paying enough money to live on.
>>>>>
>>>>> My friends in the health care profession are all 100 percent against
>>>>> Obamacare.
>>>>
>>>> I'm not in the United States to experience it first-hand but from what
>>>> I've read, extensively I might add, it almost seems like a scam to
>>>> impoverish both employees and employers in favour of those who are
>>>> already dirt poor.
>>> 
>>> The insurance companies are are dropping out of the plan.
>>> The only people it seems to be helping are those who have no intention
>>> of ever working at a job.
>>> And it even encourages them to not work.
>>
>> So for years I've been reading articles on Infowars and listening to
>> Alex Jones and his associates speak about what is happening. Every year,
>> whatever they say is laughed at by the mainstream media or called a
>> conspiracy theory. Meanwhile, I see most of what he said was going to
>> happen actually happening. Several years ago, they claimed that
>> Obamacare was designed to impoverish the population. How is their
>> prediction incorrect? It wasn't. So far, they've been a LOT more
>> accurate than the hacks in the mainstream media.
>>
> Alex Jones is a little off the charts for me but the basic premise is
> certainly coming true. The powers controlling the economy want to have 2
> classes: ultra rich and ultra poor.
> 
> And anyone with a brain can easily see how this is coming to pass.
> 
> The problem in the USA is that for many, it doesn't pay to work. They
> get better healthcare, higher take home pay, staying on welfare than
> they do working at a job.
> So why work just to make less money?
> 
> That is what the problem is.
> 
> It used to be the USA had manufacturing type jobs where skilled trades
> people could earn a very good living. Not anymore.
> Not everyone is college material.
> Some people work very well with skilled labor like machinists and so
> forth.
> Those jobs barely exist anymore because they have been off-shored.

You can blame that one on NAFTA, and GATT.
After these were formed, then the regulations were piled on deeply to force 
manufacturers to go to some other country, destroying jobs at home.
This then becomes a segue into the elites NWO program where they offer a 
solution to the problems that they've originally created.
The NWO idea is good, but who is going to lead them?  Corruption is the head of 
the snake and it won't be good for anybody.

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#377206

On 2016-10-21, GreyCloud <Cumulus@mist.com> wrote:
> Jim Polaski wrote:
>
>> On 2016-10-21, Silver Slimer <> wrote:
>>> On 2016-10-21 10:45 AM, Jim Polaski wrote:
>>>> On 2016-10-21, Silver Slimer <> wrote:
>>>>> On 2016-10-21 10:17 AM, Jim Polaski wrote:
>>>>>> On 2016-10-21, Silver Slimer <> wrote:
>>>>>>> ... they did, substantially.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> <http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/10/20/nothing-obama-dodges-blame-skyrocketing-premiums/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+breitbart+%28Breitbart+News%29>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Affordable Health Care Act is a travesty and especially for those
>>>>>> who are working hard at jobs not paying enough money to live on.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My friends in the health care profession are all 100 percent against
>>>>>> Obamacare.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm not in the United States to experience it first-hand but from what
>>>>> I've read, extensively I might add, it almost seems like a scam to
>>>>> impoverish both employees and employers in favour of those who are
>>>>> already dirt poor.
>>>> 
>>>> The insurance companies are are dropping out of the plan.
>>>> The only people it seems to be helping are those who have no intention
>>>> of ever working at a job.
>>>> And it even encourages them to not work.
>>>
>>> So for years I've been reading articles on Infowars and listening to
>>> Alex Jones and his associates speak about what is happening. Every year,
>>> whatever they say is laughed at by the mainstream media or called a
>>> conspiracy theory. Meanwhile, I see most of what he said was going to
>>> happen actually happening. Several years ago, they claimed that
>>> Obamacare was designed to impoverish the population. How is their
>>> prediction incorrect? It wasn't. So far, they've been a LOT more
>>> accurate than the hacks in the mainstream media.
>>>
>> Alex Jones is a little off the charts for me but the basic premise is
>> certainly coming true. The powers controlling the economy want to have 2
>> classes: ultra rich and ultra poor.
>> 
>> And anyone with a brain can easily see how this is coming to pass.
>> 
>> The problem in the USA is that for many, it doesn't pay to work. They
>> get better healthcare, higher take home pay, staying on welfare than
>> they do working at a job.
>> So why work just to make less money?
>> 
>> That is what the problem is.
>> 
>> It used to be the USA had manufacturing type jobs where skilled trades
>> people could earn a very good living. Not anymore.
>> Not everyone is college material.
>> Some people work very well with skilled labor like machinists and so
>> forth.
>> Those jobs barely exist anymore because they have been off-shored.
>
> You can blame that one on NAFTA, and GATT.
> After these were formed, then the regulations were piled on deeply to force 
> manufacturers to go to some other country, destroying jobs at home.
> This then becomes a segue into the elites NWO program where they offer a 
> solution to the problems that they've originally created.
> The NWO idea is good, but who is going to lead them?  Corruption is the head of 
> the snake and it won't be good for anybody.

NAFTA = Bill Clinton.

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#377163

On Friday, October 21, 2016 at 8:45:28 AM UTC-6, Jim Polaski wrote:
> On 2016-10-21, Silver Slimer <> wrote:
> > On 2016-10-21 10:17 AM, Jim Polaski wrote:
> >> On 2016-10-21, Silver Slimer <> wrote:
> >>> ... they did, substantially.
> >>>
> >>> <http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/10/20/nothing-obama-dodges-blame-skyrocketing-premiums/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+breitbart+%28Breitbart+News%29>
> >> 
> >> The Affordable Health Care Act is a travesty and especially for those 
> >> who are working hard at jobs not paying enough money to live on.
> >> 
> >> My friends in the health care profession are all 100 percent against 
> >> Obamacare.
> >
> > I'm not in the United States to experience it first-hand but from what
> > I've read, extensively I might add, it almost seems like a scam to
> > impoverish both employees and employers in favour of those who are
> > already dirt poor.
> 
> The insurance companies are are dropping out of the plan.

That was exactly the goal and they couldn't have done it any better.

> The only people it seems to be helping are those who have no intention 
> of ever working at a job.
> And it even encourages them to not work.

That's an issue, no question... but the larger issue is that the push, from day one, of a 100% government healthcare system. They should have just gone straight to it instead of losing tons of money. I suppose that wouldn't fly, though, there had to be the appearance of 'Well, we tried' in order to get people to go along without rioting in the streets.

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#377170

On Friday, 21 October 2016 09:04:18 UTC-7, Steve Carroll  wrote:

> > > I'm not in the United States to experience it first-hand but from what
> > > I've read, extensively I might add, it almost seems like a scam to
> > > impoverish both employees and employers in favour of those who are
> > > already dirt poor.
> > 
> > The insurance companies are are dropping out of the plan.
> 
> That was exactly the goal and they couldn't have done it any better.

Yet you offer no support for this. 

> > The only people it seems to be helping are those who have no intention 
> > of ever working at a job.
> > And it even encourages them to not work.
> 
> That's an issue, no question... but the larger issue is that the push, from day one, of a 100% government healthcare system. They should have just gone straight to it instead of losing tons of money.

Yet assholes conservatives such as yourself would not allow for that.

> I suppose that wouldn't fly, though, there had to be the appearance of 'Well, we tried' in order to get people to go along without rioting in the streets.

Single payer is the way to go. No question. Works for patients and doctors and cuts out the middle man insurance companies siphoning huge profits but providing no service. 

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#377172

On Friday, 21 October 2016 07:17:38 UTC-7, Jim Polaski  wrote:
> On 2016-10-21, Silver Slimer <> wrote:
> > ... they did, substantially.
> >
> ><http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/10/20/nothing-obama-dodges-blame-skyrocketing-premiums/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+breitbart+%28Breitbart+News%29>
> 
> The Affordable Health Care Act is a travesty and especially for those 
> who are working hard at jobs not paying enough money to live on.
> 
> My friends in the health care profession are all 100 percent against 
> Obamacare.

Prove you have friends.

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