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| First post | 2016-10-10 15:40 -0700 |
| Last post | 2016-10-11 17:51 +0200 |
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Why do you guys use Linux? ebinsageman@gmail.com - 2016-10-10 15:40 -0700
Re: Why do you guys use Linux? Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-10-10 18:54 -0400
Re: Why do you guys use Linux? ebinsageman@gmail.com - 2016-10-10 16:09 -0700
Re: Why do you guys use Linux? Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-10-10 19:26 -0400
Re: Why do you guys use Linux? ebinsageman@gmail.com - 2016-10-10 16:58 -0700
Re: Why do you guys use Linux? Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-10-11 09:10 -0400
Re: Why do you guys use Linux? Jim Polaski <jpolaski@linuxmail.org> - 2016-10-11 00:08 +0000
Re: Why do you guys use Linux? GreyCloud <Cumulus@mist.com> - 2016-10-10 22:05 -0600
Re: Why do you guys use Linux? Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-10-11 09:13 -0400
Re: Why do you guys use Linux? Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2016-10-11 15:33 +0200
Re: Why do you guys use Linux? Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2016-10-11 15:45 +0200
Re: Why do you guys use Linux? chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-11 09:09 -0500
Re: Why do you guys use Linux? Jim Polaski <jpolaski@linuxmail.org> - 2016-10-11 14:12 +0000
Re: Why do you guys use Linux? Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-10-11 10:27 -0400
Re: Why do you guys use Linux? Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-10-11 10:24 -0400
Re: Why do you guys use Linux? chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-11 09:24 -0500
Re: Why do you guys use Linux? Jim Polaski <jpolaski@linuxmail.org> - 2016-10-11 15:14 +0000
Re: Why do you guys use Linux? Jim Polaski <jpolaski@linuxmail.org> - 2016-10-11 15:22 +0000
Re: Why do you guys use Linux? Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-10-11 11:28 -0400
Re: Why do you guys use Linux? Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2016-10-11 11:23 -0400
Re: Why do you guys use Linux? Jim Polaski <jpolaski@linuxmail.org> - 2016-10-11 13:44 +0000
Re: Why do you guys use Linux? Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2016-10-11 11:19 -0400
Re: Why do you guys use Linux? Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2016-10-11 08:29 -0700
Re: Why do you guys use Linux? Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2016-10-11 11:39 -0400
Re: Why do you guys use Linux? Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-10-11 11:42 -0400
Re: Why do you guys use Linux? Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2016-10-11 17:54 +0200
Re: Why do you guys use Linux? chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-11 11:02 -0500
Re: Why do you guys use Linux? Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-10-11 16:09 -0400
Re: Why do you guys use Linux? William Poaster <wp@dev.null> - 2016-10-11 23:10 +0100
Re: Why do you guys use Linux? Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2016-10-11 12:01 -0400
Re: Why do you guys use Linux? chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-11 11:29 -0500
Re: Why do you guys use Linux? Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2016-10-11 12:48 -0400
Re: Why do you guys use Linux? William Poaster <wp@dev.null> - 2016-10-11 23:13 +0100
Re: Why do you guys use Linux? Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-10-11 16:12 -0400
Re: Why do you guys use Linux? Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2016-10-11 16:58 -0400
Re: Why do you guys use Linux? Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-10-11 17:11 -0400
Re: Why do you guys use Linux? Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2016-10-11 18:00 -0400
Re: Why do you guys use Linux? Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-10-11 19:05 -0400
Re: Why do you guys use Linux? Jim Polaski <jpolaski@linuxmail.org> - 2016-10-11 23:32 +0000
Re: Why do you guys use Linux? Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-10-12 08:15 -0400
Re: Why do you guys use Linux? Alexander Suvorov <axr.suvorov@yandex.ru> - 2016-10-12 12:10 +0300
Re: Why do you guys use Linux? Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2016-10-12 13:30 +0200
Re: Why do you guys use Linux? Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2016-10-12 13:56 +0200
Re: Why do you guys use Linux? Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2016-10-12 15:27 +0200
Re: Why do you guys use Linux? Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-10-12 10:18 -0400
Re: Why do you guys use Linux? Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2016-10-12 17:18 +0200
Re: Why do you guys use Linux? Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2016-10-12 17:46 +0200
Re: Why do you guys use Linux? Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2016-10-12 11:53 -0400
Re: Why do you guys use Linux? Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2016-10-12 20:36 -0400
Re: Why do you guys use Linux? Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-10-12 12:04 -0400
Re: Why do you guys use Linux? "Octavian W. Lagrange" <olagrang@perch.invalid> - 2016-10-12 18:21 +0000
Re: Why do you guys use Linux? Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2016-10-12 20:28 +0200
Re: Why do you guys use Linux? "Octavian W. Lagrange" <olagrang@perch.invalid> - 2016-10-12 18:50 +0000
Re: Why do you guys use Linux?? Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-10-12 15:38 -0400
Re: Why do you guys use Linux? Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-10-12 15:37 -0400
Re: Why do you guys use Linux? Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2016-10-12 21:55 +0200
Re: Why do you guys use Linux? Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-10-12 16:15 -0400
Re: Why do you guys use Linux? Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2016-10-12 22:30 +0200
Re: Why do you guys use Linux? Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-10-12 16:41 -0400
Re: Why do you guys use Linux? Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2016-10-12 22:49 +0200
Re: Why do you guys use Linux? tmelmosfire <tmelmosfire@gmail.com> - 2016-10-12 13:53 -0700
Re: Why do you guys use Linux? tmelmosfire <tmelmosfire@gmail.com> - 2016-10-12 13:54 -0700
Re: Why do you guys use Linux? Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2016-10-12 17:19 -0400
Re: Why do you guys use Linux? William Poaster <wp@dev.null> - 2016-10-12 23:04 +0100
Re: Why do you guys use Linux? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2016-11-01 10:10 -0700
Re: Why do you guys use Linux? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2016-11-01 10:09 -0700
Re: Why do you guys use Linux? Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-10-12 08:27 -0400
Re: Why do you guys use Linux? Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2016-10-12 10:12 -0400
Re: Why do you guys use Linux? William Poaster <wp@dev.null> - 2016-10-12 15:27 +0100
Re: Why do you guys use Linux? Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-10-12 11:56 -0400
Re: Why do you guys use Linux? Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2016-10-12 12:07 -0400
Re: Why do you guys use Linux? ronb <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2016-10-12 20:21 +0000
Re: Why do you guys use Linux? chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-12 07:05 -0500
Re: Why do you guys use Linux? Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-10-12 08:25 -0400
Re: Why do you guys use Linux? Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2016-10-12 10:11 -0400
Re: Why do you guys use Linux? Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-10-12 11:54 -0400
Re: Why do you guys use Linux? Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2016-10-12 12:04 -0400
Re: Why do you guys use Linux? Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-10-12 12:15 -0400
Re: Why do you guys use Linux? Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2016-10-12 12:27 -0400
Re: Why do you guys use Linux? tmelmosfire <tmelmosfire@gmail.com> - 2016-10-12 09:56 -0700
Re: Why do you guys use Linux? Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2016-10-12 20:09 +0200
Re: Why do you guys use Linux? Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-10-12 15:33 -0400
Re: Why do you guys use Linux? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2016-11-01 10:10 -0700
Re: Why do you guys use Linux? Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-10-12 14:53 -0400
Re: Why do you guys use Linux? Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2016-10-12 15:50 -0400
Re: Why do you guys use Linux? Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-10-12 16:12 -0400
Re: Why do you guys use Linux? Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2016-10-12 16:35 -0400
Re: Why do you guys use Linux? Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-10-12 16:46 -0400
Re: Why do you guys use Linux? Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2016-10-12 17:40 -0400
Re: Why do you guys use Linux? Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-10-12 17:47 -0400
Re: Why do you guys use Linux? ronb <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2016-10-12 20:23 +0000
Re: Why do you guys use Linux? ronb <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2016-10-12 20:19 +0000
Re: Why do you guys use Linux? Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-10-12 16:28 -0400
Re: Why do you guys use Linux? Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2016-10-12 17:18 -0400
Re: Why do you guys use Linux? Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2016-10-12 23:25 +0200
Re: Why do you guys use Linux? William Poaster <wp@dev.null> - 2016-10-11 23:15 +0100
Re: Why do you guys use Linux? Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-10-11 11:39 -0400
Re: Why do you guys use Linux? Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2016-10-11 09:41 -0700
Re: Why do you guys use Linux? Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-10-11 16:21 -0400
Re: Why do you guys use Linux? Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2016-10-11 05:54 +0000
Re: Why do you guys use Linux? tmelmosfire <tmelmosfire@gmail.com> - 2016-10-10 23:12 -0700
Re: Why do you guys use Linux? chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-11 07:09 -0500
You are a hypocrite and Liar. GreyCloud <Cumulus@mist.com> - 2016-10-11 12:42 -0600
Re: Why do you guys use Linux? Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-10-11 09:20 -0400
Re: Why do you guys use Linux? Jim Polaski <jpolaski@linuxmail.org> - 2016-10-11 00:07 +0000
Re: Why do you guys use Linux? ebinsageman@gmail.com - 2016-10-10 17:13 -0700
Re: Why do you guys use Linux? Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2016-10-10 21:44 -0400
Re: Why do you guys use Linux? GreyCloud <Cumulus@mist.com> - 2016-10-10 22:07 -0600
Re: Why do you guys use Linux? Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2016-10-11 06:50 +0000
Re: Why do you guys use Linux? ronb <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2016-10-11 00:42 +0000
Re: Why do you guys use Linux? GreyCloud <Cumulus@mist.com> - 2016-10-10 22:07 -0600
Re: Why do you guys use Linux? chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-11 07:37 -0500
Re: Why do you guys use Linux? Takuya Saitoh <taka0038@gmail.com> - 2016-10-11 00:17 -0700
Re: Why do you guys use Linux? chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-11 06:54 -0500
Why do you guys use Linux? Alexander Suvorov <axr.suvorov@yandex.ru> - 2016-10-11 17:50 +0300
Re: Why do you guys use Linux? Jim Polaski <jpolaski@linuxmail.org> - 2016-10-11 15:17 +0000
Re: Why do you guys use Linux? Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2016-10-11 17:51 +0200
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| From | Jim Polaski <jpolaski@linuxmail.org> |
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| Date | 2016-10-11 13:44 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <e648mdF3674U2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #375921 |
On 2016-10-11, Silver Slimer <> wrote: > > On 2016-10-10 8:08 PM, Jim Polaski wrote: >> On 2016-10-10, Silver Slimer <> wrote: >>> >>> On 2016-10-10 7:09 PM, ebinsageman@gmail.com wrote: >>>> On Monday, October 10, 2016 at 6:54:57 PM UTC-4, Silver Slimer >>>> wrote: On 2016-10-10 6:40 PM, ebins....@gmail.com wrote: >>>>>>> I honestly cannot figure out why anyone would use such a >>>>>>> shit OS. Nothing works on it, why not just buy a Mac? >>>> >>>> Looks like the Prescott Parasite needs attention. >>>> >>>> >>>> Prescot Parasite? What is that? I just want to know why you >>>> would use such a backwards, incomprehensible operating system. >>>> Seriously, Macs are so much easier to use and better all >>>> around. Just look at iMessage. There is no 3rd party >>>> alternative to that. >>> >>> Not all of us are Linux users. As for iMessage though, there are >>> tons of alternatives to that. Skype and ooVoo are two, both of >>> which are cross-platform unlike iMessage. The open-source ones >>> are different in that they don't provide video but they also >>> don't log your messages to provide them to the cops the way that >>> iMessage does. >>> >>> - -- Silver Slimer Islam is a disease Gab.AI: @silverslimer >> >> From what I'm reading most of the so called Linux users in this >> group work at jobs where they use Windows software. And some of the >> most vocal of the bunch don't even appear to use Linux to post. > > I don't think they really have a choice but to use Windows at work; > Linux jobs are usually exclusively administrative work from what I've > seen. No company is hiring to produce Linux software other than RedHat > as far as I can tell since there is no money to be made selling such > stuff on the platform. > > > - -- > Silver Slimer > Islam is a disease > Gab.AI: @silverslimer I have no problem whatsoever with people having to use other software at their job. That is one area where I disagree with Stallman. Putting food on the table is more important than some idealogy. Also it's tough to get a good paying job. I don't consider that hypocrisy at all.
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| From | Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> |
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| Date | 2016-10-11 11:19 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <qdadnUBtXOdsn2DKnZ2dnUU7-WXNnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #375921 |
On 2016-10-11, Silver Slimer <> wrote: // snip > No company is hiring to produce Linux software other than RedHat > as far as I can tell since there is no money to be made selling such > stuff on the platform. Incorrect. Any distribution that pays any employee is producing software for Linux. If you're hired by Canonical to work on Ubuntu, you're a paid Linux software developer. Does intel pay their kernel developers? Of course they do. That's a paid Linux developer. And just look at the top 20 contributors. Even Microsoft has paid Linux developers. They too contribute to the Linux kernel. What about the people working on bring the Linux environment to Microsoft windows? They are not Linux software developers? Of course they are. -- Marek Novotny https://github.com/marek-novotny
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| From | Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-10-11 08:29 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <1b1a5f4c-b7ff-417e-9e10-8146842d009c@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #375943 |
On Tuesday, October 11, 2016 at 9:19:19 AM UTC-6, Marek Novotny wrote: > On 2016-10-11, Silver Slimer <> wrote: > > // snip > > > No company is hiring to produce Linux software other than RedHat > > as far as I can tell since there is no money to be made selling such > > stuff on the platform. > > Incorrect. Any distribution that pays any employee is producing software > for Linux. If you're hired by Canonical to work on Ubuntu, you're a paid > Linux software developer. > > Does intel pay their kernel developers? Of course they do. That's a paid > Linux developer. And just look at the top 20 contributors. Even > Microsoft has paid Linux developers. They too contribute to the Linux > kernel. What about the people working on bring the Linux environment to > Microsoft windows? They are not Linux software developers? Of course > they are. The arstechnica.com site recently published an article entitled: "Google and Samsung soar into list of top 10 Linux contributors." "And Microsoft's days of major Linux contributions have come to a halt." I knew it was big and getting bigger but this line really stuck out to me: "Most Linux developers contribute to the kernel as part of their employment." <http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/09/google-and-samsung-soar-into-list-of-top-10-linux-contributors/>
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| From | Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> |
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| Date | 2016-10-11 11:39 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <3cednYZ_XIs2mmDKnZ2dnUU7-aPNnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #375950 |
On 2016-10-11, Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> wrote: > On Tuesday, October 11, 2016 at 9:19:19 AM UTC-6, Marek Novotny wrote: >> On 2016-10-11, Silver Slimer <> wrote: >> >> // snip >> >> > No company is hiring to produce Linux software other than RedHat >> > as far as I can tell since there is no money to be made selling such >> > stuff on the platform. >> >> Incorrect. Any distribution that pays any employee is producing software >> for Linux. If you're hired by Canonical to work on Ubuntu, you're a paid >> Linux software developer. >> >> Does intel pay their kernel developers? Of course they do. That's a paid >> Linux developer. And just look at the top 20 contributors. Even >> Microsoft has paid Linux developers. They too contribute to the Linux >> kernel. What about the people working on bring the Linux environment to >> Microsoft windows? They are not Linux software developers? Of course >> they are. > > The arstechnica.com site recently published an article entitled: > > "Google and Samsung soar into list of top 10 Linux contributors." > "And Microsoft's days of major Linux contributions have come to a halt." > > I knew it was big and getting bigger but this line really stuck out to me: > > "Most Linux developers contribute to the kernel as part of their employment." > > ><http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/09/google-and-samsung-soar-into-list-of-top-10-linux-contributors/> Yes, I had provided a link from the Linux Foundation some time back. I do that from time to time. The Linux Foundation publishes a lot of research in this particular area. Linux jobs are plentiful. There is so much Linux infrastructure. Just look at Docker. Look at Ansible, Puppet, Chef, Juju. Look at the volume of work going into OpenStack and related file systems. How about IBM's push into Linux with the LinuxOne Main Frame. It's frankly everywhere you look. Look at the job opportunities from Apple or Pixar. Both want Linux developers. Apple's push with Swift, which is open source and released for Linux. Who developed it? Apple. It didn't appear from thin air. Someone had to develop that for Linux. Microsoft releasing SQLserver for Linux. I could go on and on. -- Marek Novotny https://github.com/marek-novotny
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| From | Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> |
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| Date | 2016-10-11 11:42 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <ntj17o$c2b$6@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #375954 |
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On 2016-10-11 11:39 AM, Marek Novotny wrote: > On 2016-10-11, Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> wrote: >> On Tuesday, October 11, 2016 at 9:19:19 AM UTC-6, Marek Novotny >> wrote: >>> On 2016-10-11, Silver Slimer <> wrote: >>> >>> // snip >>> >>>> No company is hiring to produce Linux software other than >>>> RedHat as far as I can tell since there is no money to be >>>> made selling such stuff on the platform. >>> >>> Incorrect. Any distribution that pays any employee is producing >>> software for Linux. If you're hired by Canonical to work on >>> Ubuntu, you're a paid Linux software developer. >>> >>> Does intel pay their kernel developers? Of course they do. >>> That's a paid Linux developer. And just look at the top 20 >>> contributors. Even Microsoft has paid Linux developers. They >>> too contribute to the Linux kernel. What about the people >>> working on bring the Linux environment to Microsoft windows? >>> They are not Linux software developers? Of course they are. >> >> The arstechnica.com site recently published an article entitled: >> >> "Google and Samsung soar into list of top 10 Linux >> contributors." "And Microsoft's days of major Linux contributions >> have come to a halt." >> >> I knew it was big and getting bigger but this line really stuck >> out to me: >> >> "Most Linux developers contribute to the kernel as part of their >> employment." >> >> >> <http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/09/google-and-sam sung-soar-into-list-of-top-10-linux-contributors/> > >> > Yes, I had provided a link from the Linux Foundation some time > back. I do that from time to time. The Linux Foundation publishes a > lot of research in this particular area. Linux jobs are plentiful. > There is so much Linux infrastructure. Just look at Docker. Look at > Ansible, Puppet, Chef, Juju. Look at the volume of work going into > OpenStack and related file systems. How about IBM's push into Linux > with the LinuxOne Main Frame. It's frankly everywhere you look. > Look at the job opportunities from Apple or Pixar. Both want Linux > developers. Apple's push with Swift, which is open source and > released for Linux. Who developed it? Apple. It didn't appear from > thin air. Someone had to develop that for Linux. Microsoft > releasing SQLserver for Linux. I could go on and on. I'm still wondering when any of you will respond to the fact that developers don't make money selling software _on_ the Linux platform. Everyone is so adamant about misreading what I wrote. - -- Silver Slimer Islam is a disease Gab.AI: @silverslimer -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iQEcBAEBCAAGBQJX/QhJAAoJEIwFfgf/rr+u3LYH/iBnutMu1C+UlPZqVQDk9nVW IIOLwhZ2rMDQ3ajhtgKdbd3ZXZorkyoxlsv38M2KuPa1SPG1Gjlwr1jngGjaGf0H Js16CnfjZmbMU9EkpuZLnD7KdbURrbymmgMWsWi4gZ/vj4NImM6Kf0KAK5nuafs3 vl8rAr2+QRlPQSVICveJoXUWy243qAz1uiA4XlfiTp1WuBV9/mhAUFSA3MjC86up gRrdJluZbz94A+MebMIsZaTJzt0WzIrW9cNXlS3VRQOGxNwUpT4kGOzcZS8sZZeW E7zsoNJ1vkl8T7xsiyu4jDSc7f4xgE4S4PvztlmIOgUpxHMqyBY7ZIz72CMmI/w= =Wj1t -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
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| From | Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> |
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| Date | 2016-10-11 17:54 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <ntj1ug$hch$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #375957 |
Silver Slimer wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA256 > > On 2016-10-11 11:39 AM, Marek Novotny wrote: >> On 2016-10-11, Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> wrote: >>> On Tuesday, October 11, 2016 at 9:19:19 AM UTC-6, Marek Novotny >>> wrote: >>>> On 2016-10-11, Silver Slimer <> wrote: >>>> >>>> // snip >>>> >>>>> No company is hiring to produce Linux software other than >>>>> RedHat as far as I can tell since there is no money to be >>>>> made selling such stuff on the platform. >>>> >>>> Incorrect. Any distribution that pays any employee is producing >>>> software for Linux. If you're hired by Canonical to work on >>>> Ubuntu, you're a paid Linux software developer. >>>> >>>> Does intel pay their kernel developers? Of course they do. >>>> That's a paid Linux developer. And just look at the top 20 >>>> contributors. Even Microsoft has paid Linux developers. They >>>> too contribute to the Linux kernel. What about the people >>>> working on bring the Linux environment to Microsoft windows? >>>> They are not Linux software developers? Of course they are. >>> >>> The arstechnica.com site recently published an article entitled: >>> >>> "Google and Samsung soar into list of top 10 Linux >>> contributors." "And Microsoft's days of major Linux contributions >>> have come to a halt." >>> >>> I knew it was big and getting bigger but this line really stuck >>> out to me: >>> >>> "Most Linux developers contribute to the kernel as part of their >>> employment." >>> >>> >>> <http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/09/google-and-sam > sung-soar-into-list-of-top-10-linux-contributors/> >> >>> >> Yes, I had provided a link from the Linux Foundation some time >> back. I do that from time to time. The Linux Foundation publishes a >> lot of research in this particular area. Linux jobs are plentiful. >> There is so much Linux infrastructure. Just look at Docker. Look at >> Ansible, Puppet, Chef, Juju. Look at the volume of work going into >> OpenStack and related file systems. How about IBM's push into Linux >> with the LinuxOne Main Frame. It's frankly everywhere you look. >> Look at the job opportunities from Apple or Pixar. Both want Linux >> developers. Apple's push with Swift, which is open source and >> released for Linux. Who developed it? Apple. It didn't appear from >> thin air. Someone had to develop that for Linux. Microsoft >> releasing SQLserver for Linux. I could go on and on. > > I'm still wondering when any of you will respond to the fact that > developers don't make money selling software _on_ the Linux platform. > Everyone is so adamant about misreading what I wrote. > Thew problem is that you are way too stupid to understand something about linux. Or how to make money using or programming linux You are way dumber than a demented brick
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| From | chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2016-10-11 11:02 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <603qvb90sjkqn6tohh7us1qafgqrn3vfk9@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #375959 |
Peter Köhlmann wrote: > slime wrote: >> >> I'm still wondering when any of you will respond to the fact that >> developers don't make money selling software _on_ the Linux platform. I'm still wondering when you will stop lying, because I've responded to that "fact" multiple times. >> Everyone is so adamant about misreading what I wrote. Nope. The problem is that your "since there is no money to be made selling such stuff on the platform" does not make your "no company is hiring to produce Linux software other than RedHat" correct, dipshit. >Thew problem is that you are way too stupid to understand something about >linux. Or how to make money using or programming linux > >You are way dumber than a demented brick It's not slime's a lying idiot, it's that we "misread" what he writes. (rolling eyes). -- "having market share doesn't do any good if it doesn't result in commensurate net profits." - lying asshole "-hh"
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| From | Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> |
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| Date | 2016-10-11 16:09 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <ntjgt9$bcn$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #375959 |
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On 2016-10-11 11:54 AM, Peter Köhlmann wrote: > Silver Slimer wrote: > >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 >> >> On 2016-10-11 11:39 AM, Marek Novotny wrote: >>> On 2016-10-11, Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> On Tuesday, October 11, 2016 at 9:19:19 AM UTC-6, Marek >>>> Novotny wrote: >>>>> On 2016-10-11, Silver Slimer <> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> // snip >>>>> >>>>>> No company is hiring to produce Linux software other >>>>>> than RedHat as far as I can tell since there is no money >>>>>> to be made selling such stuff on the platform. >>>>> >>>>> Incorrect. Any distribution that pays any employee is >>>>> producing software for Linux. If you're hired by Canonical >>>>> to work on Ubuntu, you're a paid Linux software developer. >>>>> >>>>> Does intel pay their kernel developers? Of course they do. >>>>> That's a paid Linux developer. And just look at the top 20 >>>>> contributors. Even Microsoft has paid Linux developers. >>>>> They too contribute to the Linux kernel. What about the >>>>> people working on bring the Linux environment to Microsoft >>>>> windows? They are not Linux software developers? Of course >>>>> they are. >>>> >>>> The arstechnica.com site recently published an article >>>> entitled: >>>> >>>> "Google and Samsung soar into list of top 10 Linux >>>> contributors." "And Microsoft's days of major Linux >>>> contributions have come to a halt." >>>> >>>> I knew it was big and getting bigger but this line really >>>> stuck out to me: >>>> >>>> "Most Linux developers contribute to the kernel as part of >>>> their employment." >>>> >>>> >>>> <http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/09/google-and-s am >> >>>> sung-soar-into-list-of-top-10-linux-contributors/> >>> >>>> >>> Yes, I had provided a link from the Linux Foundation some time >>> back. I do that from time to time. The Linux Foundation >>> publishes a lot of research in this particular area. Linux jobs >>> are plentiful. There is so much Linux infrastructure. Just look >>> at Docker. Look at Ansible, Puppet, Chef, Juju. Look at the >>> volume of work going into OpenStack and related file systems. >>> How about IBM's push into Linux with the LinuxOne Main Frame. >>> It's frankly everywhere you look. Look at the job opportunities >>> from Apple or Pixar. Both want Linux developers. Apple's push >>> with Swift, which is open source and released for Linux. Who >>> developed it? Apple. It didn't appear from thin air. Someone >>> had to develop that for Linux. Microsoft releasing SQLserver >>> for Linux. I could go on and on. >> >> I'm still wondering when any of you will respond to the fact >> that developers don't make money selling software _on_ the Linux >> platform. Everyone is so adamant about misreading what I wrote. >> > Thew problem is that you are way too stupid to understand something > about linux. Or how to make money using or programming linux > > You are way dumber than a demented brick And back to the filter you go. It's not my problem if you guys will only read the first two words of an eight-word sentence. I never mentioned that I wanted to make money using Linux or that I wanted to program in it; I commented on how _others_ don't develop software for it in the hope of ever getting paid. Since you guys can't read, I am not surprised that you answered a question I never asked. - -- Silver Slimer Islam is a disease Gab.AI: @silverslimer -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iQEcBAEBCAAGBQJX/Ub5AAoJEIwFfgf/rr+uDjwH/2WFHjD3ONfIR4AC8vTpytVg 6+toHJnUjuOaW0w0xRcJQDe8o+yUvFSC3hy3Q4ZKkVn4M7YzMUdXfYnlrgqg11pW 6k65eFmuJoKuhmLI+u9ggOBwmjDRFqZshKcTsj55H8mT2E6jn7izanxI4o3XJsIZ 96VU68ONYaTTqotG7sr6Ef8buGsRpgiXLazQIF2Me6gk8/66VfaKXvdUpdXakj16 436UkYSyju4FgxZXS9p0yaDoM/xhkzhSV9nyN1ldTCXwneBmWVqIfI0Q6UWH9AUF jjl12QPDfMJJ6HTynVRZ3fmFoBhiZHIqx/brlADix8mupHleCMm5U4KwF6MaYg4= =67+Z -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
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| From | William Poaster <wp@dev.null> |
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| Date | 2016-10-11 23:10 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <aj40dd-a02.ln1@debian.machineone.org> |
| In reply to | #375959 |
On 11/10/2016 16:54 in comp.os.linux.advocacy, Peter Köhlmann posted: > Silver Slimer wrote: > >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> Hash: SHA256 >> >> On 2016-10-11 11:39 AM, Marek Novotny wrote: >>> On 2016-10-11, Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> On Tuesday, October 11, 2016 at 9:19:19 AM UTC-6, Marek Novotny >>>> wrote: >>>>> On 2016-10-11, Silver Slimer <> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> // snip >>>>> >>>>>> No company is hiring to produce Linux software other than >>>>>> RedHat as far as I can tell since there is no money to be >>>>>> made selling such stuff on the platform. >>>>> >>>>> Incorrect. Any distribution that pays any employee is producing >>>>> software for Linux. If you're hired by Canonical to work on >>>>> Ubuntu, you're a paid Linux software developer. >>>>> >>>>> Does intel pay their kernel developers? Of course they do. >>>>> That's a paid Linux developer. And just look at the top 20 >>>>> contributors. Even Microsoft has paid Linux developers. They >>>>> too contribute to the Linux kernel. What about the people >>>>> working on bring the Linux environment to Microsoft windows? >>>>> They are not Linux software developers? Of course they are. >>>> >>>> The arstechnica.com site recently published an article entitled: >>>> >>>> "Google and Samsung soar into list of top 10 Linux >>>> contributors." "And Microsoft's days of major Linux contributions >>>> have come to a halt." >>>> >>>> I knew it was big and getting bigger but this line really stuck >>>> out to me: >>>> >>>> "Most Linux developers contribute to the kernel as part of their >>>> employment." >>>> >>>> >>>> <http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/09/google-and-sam >> sung-soar-into-list-of-top-10-linux-contributors/> >>> >>>> >>> Yes, I had provided a link from the Linux Foundation some time >>> back. I do that from time to time. The Linux Foundation publishes a >>> lot of research in this particular area. Linux jobs are plentiful. >>> There is so much Linux infrastructure. Just look at Docker. Look at >>> Ansible, Puppet, Chef, Juju. Look at the volume of work going into >>> OpenStack and related file systems. How about IBM's push into Linux >>> with the LinuxOne Main Frame. It's frankly everywhere you look. >>> Look at the job opportunities from Apple or Pixar. Both want Linux >>> developers. Apple's push with Swift, which is open source and >>> released for Linux. Who developed it? Apple. It didn't appear from >>> thin air. Someone had to develop that for Linux. Microsoft >>> releasing SQLserver for Linux. I could go on and on. >> >> I'm still wondering when any of you will respond to the fact that >> developers don't make money selling software _on_ the Linux platform. >> Everyone is so adamant about misreading what I wrote. >> > Thew problem is that you are way too stupid to understand something about > linux. Or how to make money using or programming linux > > You are way dumber than a demented brick I'm surprised his pal "Jim Polaski" hasn't explained it to him yet. -- What IS remarkable, is that a well developed ape has come to realise that he lives on a planet, circling a sun, in a planetary system, within a galaxy, within a universe. - Professor Michio Kaku - Theoretical Physicist -
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| From | Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> |
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| Date | 2016-10-11 12:01 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <KvOdnUv6c6tykWDKnZ2dnUU7-dnNnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #375957 |
On 2016-10-11, Silver Slimer <> wrote: > > On 2016-10-11 11:39 AM, Marek Novotny wrote: >> On 2016-10-11, Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> wrote: >>> On Tuesday, October 11, 2016 at 9:19:19 AM UTC-6, Marek Novotny >>> wrote: >>>> On 2016-10-11, Silver Slimer <> wrote: >>>> >>>> // snip >>>> >>>>> No company is hiring to produce Linux software other than >>>>> RedHat as far as I can tell since there is no money to be >>>>> made selling such stuff on the platform. >>>> >>>> Incorrect. Any distribution that pays any employee is producing >>>> software for Linux. If you're hired by Canonical to work on >>>> Ubuntu, you're a paid Linux software developer. >>>> >>>> Does intel pay their kernel developers? Of course they do. >>>> That's a paid Linux developer. And just look at the top 20 >>>> contributors. Even Microsoft has paid Linux developers. They >>>> too contribute to the Linux kernel. What about the people >>>> working on bring the Linux environment to Microsoft windows? >>>> They are not Linux software developers? Of course they are. >>> >>> The arstechnica.com site recently published an article entitled: >>> >>> "Google and Samsung soar into list of top 10 Linux >>> contributors." "And Microsoft's days of major Linux contributions >>> have come to a halt." >>> >>> I knew it was big and getting bigger but this line really stuck >>> out to me: >>> >>> "Most Linux developers contribute to the kernel as part of their >>> employment." >>> >>> >>> <http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/09/google-and-sam > sung-soar-into-list-of-top-10-linux-contributors/> >> >>> >> Yes, I had provided a link from the Linux Foundation some time >> back. I do that from time to time. The Linux Foundation publishes a >> lot of research in this particular area. Linux jobs are plentiful. >> There is so much Linux infrastructure. Just look at Docker. Look at >> Ansible, Puppet, Chef, Juju. Look at the volume of work going into >> OpenStack and related file systems. How about IBM's push into Linux >> with the LinuxOne Main Frame. It's frankly everywhere you look. >> Look at the job opportunities from Apple or Pixar. Both want Linux >> developers. Apple's push with Swift, which is open source and >> released for Linux. Who developed it? Apple. It didn't appear from >> thin air. Someone had to develop that for Linux. Microsoft >> releasing SQLserver for Linux. I could go on and on. > > I'm still wondering when any of you will respond to the fact that > developers don't make money selling software _on_ the Linux platform. > Everyone is so adamant about misreading what I wrote. You're back to same old broken record again. Clion, the IDE I like to use for C is published by jetBrains. Look them up. I pay for that software. I Paid for Qoppa PDFStudio Pro. Zimbra has both an open source and an enhanced version which is paid for. I used Zimbra for more than a year as my mail server and client. Look at all those games in Steam catalog. Those are being sold for money and there are more than a thousand of them. I am assume you've heard of VMWare? Isn't DropBox software as well as a service? I'm paying for it and it runs on my Majaro laptop as I speak. That's paid for software on Linux. Remember those codecs I mentioned from Fluendo? One Play, the media player, the DVD player, the media codecs... All of these are paid for software. Is Microsoft not publishing SQLServer for Linux? Autodesk sells Maya for rhel do they not? -- Marek Novotny https://github.com/marek-novotny
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| From | chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2016-10-11 11:29 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <g54qvbtd6pm2btihjqck0fstutvbmk5qjq@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #375961 |
Marek Novotny wrote: >You're back to same old broken record again. Trying to tar FOSS advocates as anti-corporation, anti-capitalism, anti-success, is a central goal of the lying corporate shills who troll in here. It's not that Micro$oft abused their market power to exclude competition, you see. We just don't like successful people or successful corporations. (Unless they are using Linux, which makes us "hypocrites".) Sheesh. These Linux-haters are so shitty, so extremely dishonest, they should be in politics. -- "Many people using other Free licenses claim that the GPL is nothing more than a badge of hate brought about by petty jealousy and a desire to see professionals fail by Stallman and others." - "True Linux advocate" Hadron Quark
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| From | Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> |
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| Date | 2016-10-11 12:48 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <4-2dnXYhppxdimDKnZ2dnUU7-K2dnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #375966 |
On 2016-10-11, chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote: > Marek Novotny wrote: > >>You're back to same old broken record again. > > Trying to tar FOSS advocates as anti-corporation, anti-capitalism, > anti-success, is a central goal of the lying corporate shills who > troll in here. > > It's not that Micro$oft abused their market power to exclude > competition, you see. We just don't like successful people or > successful corporations. (Unless they are using Linux, which makes us > "hypocrites".) > > Sheesh. These Linux-haters are so shitty, so extremely dishonest, > they should be in politics. Ouch! I have a special place in my heart for politics. You could burn them all at the stake and I'd feel like you're being way too kind. -- Marek Novotny https://github.com/marek-novotny
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| From | William Poaster <wp@dev.null> |
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| Date | 2016-10-11 23:13 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <vp40dd-p02.ln1@debian.machineone.org> |
| In reply to | #375971 |
On 11/10/2016 17:48 in comp.os.linux.advocacy, Marek Novotny posted: > On 2016-10-11, chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote: >> Marek Novotny wrote: >> >>>You're back to same old broken record again. >> >> Trying to tar FOSS advocates as anti-corporation, anti-capitalism, >> anti-success, is a central goal of the lying corporate shills who >> troll in here. >> >> It's not that Micro$oft abused their market power to exclude >> competition, you see. We just don't like successful people or >> successful corporations. (Unless they are using Linux, which makes us >> "hypocrites".) >> >> Sheesh. These Linux-haters are so shitty, so extremely dishonest, >> they should be in politics. > > Ouch! I have a special place in my heart for politics. You could burn > them all at the stake and I'd feel like you're being way too kind. I have a soft spot for politicians, it's a large bog in the west of Ireland! -- What IS remarkable, is that a well developed ape has come to realise that he lives on a planet, circling a sun, in a planetary system, within a galaxy, within a universe. - Professor Michio Kaku - Theoretical Physicist -
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| From | Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> |
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| Date | 2016-10-11 16:12 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <ntjh3o$bcn$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #375961 |
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On 2016-10-11 12:01 PM, Marek Novotny wrote: > On 2016-10-11, Silver Slimer <> wrote: >> >> On 2016-10-11 11:39 AM, Marek Novotny wrote: >>> On 2016-10-11, Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> On Tuesday, October 11, 2016 at 9:19:19 AM UTC-6, Marek >>>> Novotny wrote: >>>>> On 2016-10-11, Silver Slimer <> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> // snip >>>>> >>>>>> No company is hiring to produce Linux software other than >>>>>> RedHat as far as I can tell since there is no money to be >>>>>> made selling such stuff on the platform. >>>>> >>>>> Incorrect. Any distribution that pays any employee is >>>>> producing software for Linux. If you're hired by Canonical >>>>> to work on Ubuntu, you're a paid Linux software developer. >>>>> >>>>> Does intel pay their kernel developers? Of course they do. >>>>> That's a paid Linux developer. And just look at the top 20 >>>>> contributors. Even Microsoft has paid Linux developers. >>>>> They too contribute to the Linux kernel. What about the >>>>> people working on bring the Linux environment to Microsoft >>>>> windows? They are not Linux software developers? Of course >>>>> they are. >>>> >>>> The arstechnica.com site recently published an article >>>> entitled: >>>> >>>> "Google and Samsung soar into list of top 10 Linux >>>> contributors." "And Microsoft's days of major Linux >>>> contributions have come to a halt." >>>> >>>> I knew it was big and getting bigger but this line really >>>> stuck out to me: >>>> >>>> "Most Linux developers contribute to the kernel as part of >>>> their employment." >>>> >>>> >>>> <http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/09/google-and-s am >> >>>> >>>> sung-soar-into-list-of-top-10-linux-contributors/> >>> >>>> >>> Yes, I had provided a link from the Linux Foundation some time >>> back. I do that from time to time. The Linux Foundation >>> publishes a lot of research in this particular area. Linux >>> jobs are plentiful. There is so much Linux infrastructure. Just >>> look at Docker. Look at Ansible, Puppet, Chef, Juju. Look at >>> the volume of work going into OpenStack and related file >>> systems. How about IBM's push into Linux with the LinuxOne Main >>> Frame. It's frankly everywhere you look. Look at the job >>> opportunities from Apple or Pixar. Both want Linux developers. >>> Apple's push with Swift, which is open source and released for >>> Linux. Who developed it? Apple. It didn't appear from thin air. >>> Someone had to develop that for Linux. Microsoft releasing >>> SQLserver for Linux. I could go on and on. >> >> I'm still wondering when any of you will respond to the fact that >> developers don't make money selling software _on_ the Linux >> platform. Everyone is so adamant about misreading what I wrote. > > You're back to same old broken record again. Whatever rocks your boat. > Clion, the IDE I like to use for C is published by jetBrains. Look > them up. I pay for that software. I Paid for Qoppa PDFStudio Pro. > Zimbra has both an open source and an enhanced version which is > paid for. I used Zimbra for more than a year as my mail server and > client. Look at all those games in Steam catalog. Those are being > sold for money and there are more than a thousand of them. I am > assume you've heard of VMWare? Isn't DropBox software as well as a > service? I'm paying for it and it runs on my Majaro laptop as I > speak. That's paid for software on Linux. Remember those codecs I > mentioned from Fluendo? One Play, the media player, the DVD > player, the media codecs... All of these are paid for software. Is > Microsoft not publishing SQLServer for Linux? Autodesk sells Maya > for rhel do they not? I can only comment on Steam since I didn't try any of the other programs you mentioned. In Steam, most of the huge library of games currently available are either developed to look like games from the 16-bit era or actually come from there. If they're bigger games, they are only released out of the goodness of the developer's heart and not because they expect to sell a large number of copies in Linux. In fact, you'll notice that most developers have already given up on the idea since SteamOS and the SteamBox were both disasters. - -- Silver Slimer Islam is a disease Gab.AI: @silverslimer -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iQEcBAEBCAAGBQJX/UfIAAoJEIwFfgf/rr+uAcEH/jwKwle6nWqfLxedQCAmmdAq ryJMG4dJtInsDhYiHWiduQlYdRPqGu/wboLEggSm3/fd1ZASBGIlE5Nq/iL3PbiU ND1h4sL3L95ceufHqgibyKlR5hngsn2Z+I/Na/N2GGETPdCbzVe3QjDqHUycXCjD +vDSbApTf6fKBjnpcuA13Dd86Gl4LJUCXf+qFVNppjVgVjGcAsZeTmxPcf1/ELIW 560lWUI3B7UJETODfqfdJ/ab+Rttq1Xi6oh55QAFKi702/SSrDv6ApPlB544Nnwr 29Mulj2LKvUPNLhX0QLEL9f6x0cmsTjeT66gr2/kn0hm0TSPW4H6GBZy0+KgvIQ= =10rL -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
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| From | Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> |
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| Date | 2016-10-11 16:58 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <6LednQrsncP-z2DKnZ2dnUU7-XfNnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #375995 |
On 2016-10-11, Silver Slimer <> wrote: > > On 2016-10-11 12:01 PM, Marek Novotny wrote: >> On 2016-10-11, Silver Slimer <> wrote: >>> >>> On 2016-10-11 11:39 AM, Marek Novotny wrote: >>>> On 2016-10-11, Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> On Tuesday, October 11, 2016 at 9:19:19 AM UTC-6, Marek >>>>> Novotny wrote: >>>>>> On 2016-10-11, Silver Slimer <> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> // snip >>>>>> >>>>>>> No company is hiring to produce Linux software other than >>>>>>> RedHat as far as I can tell since there is no money to be >>>>>>> made selling such stuff on the platform. >>>>>> >>>>>> Incorrect. Any distribution that pays any employee is >>>>>> producing software for Linux. If you're hired by Canonical >>>>>> to work on Ubuntu, you're a paid Linux software developer. >>>>>> >>>>>> Does intel pay their kernel developers? Of course they do. >>>>>> That's a paid Linux developer. And just look at the top 20 >>>>>> contributors. Even Microsoft has paid Linux developers. >>>>>> They too contribute to the Linux kernel. What about the >>>>>> people working on bring the Linux environment to Microsoft >>>>>> windows? They are not Linux software developers? Of course >>>>>> they are. >>>>> >>>>> The arstechnica.com site recently published an article >>>>> entitled: >>>>> >>>>> "Google and Samsung soar into list of top 10 Linux >>>>> contributors." "And Microsoft's days of major Linux >>>>> contributions have come to a halt." >>>>> >>>>> I knew it was big and getting bigger but this line really >>>>> stuck out to me: >>>>> >>>>> "Most Linux developers contribute to the kernel as part of >>>>> their employment." >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> <http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/09/google-and-s > am >>> >>>>> >>>>> > sung-soar-into-list-of-top-10-linux-contributors/> >>>> >>>>> >>>> Yes, I had provided a link from the Linux Foundation some time >>>> back. I do that from time to time. The Linux Foundation >>>> publishes a lot of research in this particular area. Linux >>>> jobs are plentiful. There is so much Linux infrastructure. Just >>>> look at Docker. Look at Ansible, Puppet, Chef, Juju. Look at >>>> the volume of work going into OpenStack and related file >>>> systems. How about IBM's push into Linux with the LinuxOne Main >>>> Frame. It's frankly everywhere you look. Look at the job >>>> opportunities from Apple or Pixar. Both want Linux developers. >>>> Apple's push with Swift, which is open source and released for >>>> Linux. Who developed it? Apple. It didn't appear from thin air. >>>> Someone had to develop that for Linux. Microsoft releasing >>>> SQLserver for Linux. I could go on and on. >>> >>> I'm still wondering when any of you will respond to the fact that >>> developers don't make money selling software _on_ the Linux >>> platform. Everyone is so adamant about misreading what I wrote. >> >> You're back to same old broken record again. > > Whatever rocks your boat. > >> Clion, the IDE I like to use for C is published by jetBrains. Look >> them up. I pay for that software. I Paid for Qoppa PDFStudio Pro. >> Zimbra has both an open source and an enhanced version which is >> paid for. I used Zimbra for more than a year as my mail server and >> client. Look at all those games in Steam catalog. Those are being >> sold for money and there are more than a thousand of them. I am >> assume you've heard of VMWare? Isn't DropBox software as well as a >> service? I'm paying for it and it runs on my Majaro laptop as I >> speak. That's paid for software on Linux. Remember those codecs I >> mentioned from Fluendo? One Play, the media player, the DVD >> player, the media codecs... All of these are paid for software. Is >> Microsoft not publishing SQLServer for Linux? Autodesk sells Maya >> for rhel do they not? > > I can only comment on Steam since I didn't try any of the other > programs you mentioned. In Steam, most of the huge library of games > currently available are either developed to look like games from the > 16-bit era or actually come from there. If they're bigger games, they > are only released out of the goodness of the developer's heart and not > because they expect to sell a large number of copies in Linux. In > fact, you'll notice that most developers have already given up on the > idea since SteamOS and the SteamBox were both disasters. Have you spoken to most Steam developers? -- Marek Novotny https://github.com/marek-novotny
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| From | Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> |
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| Date | 2016-10-11 17:11 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <ntjki8$p5o$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #375999 |
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On 2016-10-11 4:58 PM, Marek Novotny wrote: > On 2016-10-11, Silver Slimer <> wrote: >> >> On 2016-10-11 12:01 PM, Marek Novotny wrote: >>> On 2016-10-11, Silver Slimer <> wrote: >>>> >>>> On 2016-10-11 11:39 AM, Marek Novotny wrote: >>>>> On 2016-10-11, Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> On Tuesday, October 11, 2016 at 9:19:19 AM UTC-6, Marek >>>>>> Novotny wrote: >>>>>>> On 2016-10-11, Silver Slimer <> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> // snip >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> No company is hiring to produce Linux software other >>>>>>>> than RedHat as far as I can tell since there is no >>>>>>>> money to be made selling such stuff on the platform. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Incorrect. Any distribution that pays any employee is >>>>>>> producing software for Linux. If you're hired by >>>>>>> Canonical to work on Ubuntu, you're a paid Linux >>>>>>> software developer. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Does intel pay their kernel developers? Of course they >>>>>>> do. That's a paid Linux developer. And just look at the >>>>>>> top 20 contributors. Even Microsoft has paid Linux >>>>>>> developers. They too contribute to the Linux kernel. >>>>>>> What about the people working on bring the Linux >>>>>>> environment to Microsoft windows? They are not Linux >>>>>>> software developers? Of course they are. >>>>>> >>>>>> The arstechnica.com site recently published an article >>>>>> entitled: >>>>>> >>>>>> "Google and Samsung soar into list of top 10 Linux >>>>>> contributors." "And Microsoft's days of major Linux >>>>>> contributions have come to a halt." >>>>>> >>>>>> I knew it was big and getting bigger but this line really >>>>>> stuck out to me: >>>>>> >>>>>> "Most Linux developers contribute to the kernel as part >>>>>> of their employment." >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> <http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/09/google-and - -s >> >>>>>> am >>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >> sung-soar-into-list-of-top-10-linux-contributors/> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> Yes, I had provided a link from the Linux Foundation some >>>>> time back. I do that from time to time. The Linux >>>>> Foundation publishes a lot of research in this particular >>>>> area. Linux jobs are plentiful. There is so much Linux >>>>> infrastructure. Just look at Docker. Look at Ansible, >>>>> Puppet, Chef, Juju. Look at the volume of work going into >>>>> OpenStack and related file systems. How about IBM's push >>>>> into Linux with the LinuxOne Main Frame. It's frankly >>>>> everywhere you look. Look at the job opportunities from >>>>> Apple or Pixar. Both want Linux developers. Apple's push >>>>> with Swift, which is open source and released for Linux. >>>>> Who developed it? Apple. It didn't appear from thin air. >>>>> Someone had to develop that for Linux. Microsoft releasing >>>>> SQLserver for Linux. I could go on and on. >>>> >>>> I'm still wondering when any of you will respond to the fact >>>> that developers don't make money selling software _on_ the >>>> Linux platform. Everyone is so adamant about misreading what >>>> I wrote. >>> >>> You're back to same old broken record again. >> >> Whatever rocks your boat. >> >>> Clion, the IDE I like to use for C is published by jetBrains. >>> Look them up. I pay for that software. I Paid for Qoppa >>> PDFStudio Pro. Zimbra has both an open source and an enhanced >>> version which is paid for. I used Zimbra for more than a year >>> as my mail server and client. Look at all those games in Steam >>> catalog. Those are being sold for money and there are more than >>> a thousand of them. I am assume you've heard of VMWare? Isn't >>> DropBox software as well as a service? I'm paying for it and it >>> runs on my Majaro laptop as I speak. That's paid for software >>> on Linux. Remember those codecs I mentioned from Fluendo? One >>> Play, the media player, the DVD player, the media codecs... All >>> of these are paid for software. Is Microsoft not publishing >>> SQLServer for Linux? Autodesk sells Maya for rhel do they not? >> >> I can only comment on Steam since I didn't try any of the other >> programs you mentioned. In Steam, most of the huge library of >> games currently available are either developed to look like games >> from the 16-bit era or actually come from there. If they're >> bigger games, they are only released out of the goodness of the >> developer's heart and not because they expect to sell a large >> number of copies in Linux. In fact, you'll notice that most >> developers have already given up on the idea since SteamOS and >> the SteamBox were both disasters. > > Have you spoken to most Steam developers? A very dumb response in light of the evidence: <https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Steam-Linux-May-201 6-Stats> "The May 2016 stats from Valve show the Steam Linux marketshare falling by another 0.06%, or down to 0.84%. For May last year, the market-share was at 0.88% while last month was obviously at 0.90%. " "The indicated OS X usage for May was 3.67% and Windows was at 95.39%. " Gee, I wonder where the developers will go. - -- Silver Slimer Islam is a disease Gab.AI: @silverslimer -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iQEcBAEBCAAGBQJX/VWXAAoJEIwFfgf/rr+uHR0H/R7QiFHQnOg1HZ4f4gkVrvu5 uDG7Sy1kBbcu/ivIT5OtDr22A+YPuIBCCDHWUqsD59kMWiPoi7ldwMsBUNYVx4OU ZydWIrMWZY8OIMlDo6vna/F8FKz98me6chby+T1HEBF1jXkWQiwYQM9HGPeTNzNu fGLUE4zwPUDJDrTO64C4rgwgWmDNKMkU9pqHX5IOXtOZEhMG2Hhc1O5z2Y8puryI 42lHrGVKZ3vcIF3g7ZEBho4mA4Kuh42yFeJh9T+9ZRa+aj/YnvS3NwcaoBUhEHrz STevXBSWUcCzcwvW5Y+dNyMTkSli9emvNBZrp4iMzQ9jdYakFcjKTt6nS0blIPU= =MkQ1 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
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| From | Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> |
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| Date | 2016-10-11 18:00 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <QMSdnb6LMpt-_WDKnZ2dnUU7-dWdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #376001 |
On 2016-10-11, Silver Slimer <> wrote: > > On 2016-10-11 4:58 PM, Marek Novotny wrote: >> On 2016-10-11, Silver Slimer <> wrote: >>> >>> On 2016-10-11 12:01 PM, Marek Novotny wrote: >>>> On 2016-10-11, Silver Slimer <> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> On 2016-10-11 11:39 AM, Marek Novotny wrote: >>>>>> On 2016-10-11, Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> On Tuesday, October 11, 2016 at 9:19:19 AM UTC-6, Marek >>>>>>> Novotny wrote: >>>>>>>> On 2016-10-11, Silver Slimer <> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> // snip >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> No company is hiring to produce Linux software other >>>>>>>>> than RedHat as far as I can tell since there is no >>>>>>>>> money to be made selling such stuff on the platform. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Incorrect. Any distribution that pays any employee is >>>>>>>> producing software for Linux. If you're hired by >>>>>>>> Canonical to work on Ubuntu, you're a paid Linux >>>>>>>> software developer. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Does intel pay their kernel developers? Of course they >>>>>>>> do. That's a paid Linux developer. And just look at the >>>>>>>> top 20 contributors. Even Microsoft has paid Linux >>>>>>>> developers. They too contribute to the Linux kernel. >>>>>>>> What about the people working on bring the Linux >>>>>>>> environment to Microsoft windows? They are not Linux >>>>>>>> software developers? Of course they are. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The arstechnica.com site recently published an article >>>>>>> entitled: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "Google and Samsung soar into list of top 10 Linux >>>>>>> contributors." "And Microsoft's days of major Linux >>>>>>> contributions have come to a halt." >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I knew it was big and getting bigger but this line really >>>>>>> stuck out to me: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "Most Linux developers contribute to the kernel as part >>>>>>> of their employment." >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> <http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/09/google-and > - -s >>> >>>>>>> > am >>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>> sung-soar-into-list-of-top-10-linux-contributors/> >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> Yes, I had provided a link from the Linux Foundation some >>>>>> time back. I do that from time to time. The Linux >>>>>> Foundation publishes a lot of research in this particular >>>>>> area. Linux jobs are plentiful. There is so much Linux >>>>>> infrastructure. Just look at Docker. Look at Ansible, >>>>>> Puppet, Chef, Juju. Look at the volume of work going into >>>>>> OpenStack and related file systems. How about IBM's push >>>>>> into Linux with the LinuxOne Main Frame. It's frankly >>>>>> everywhere you look. Look at the job opportunities from >>>>>> Apple or Pixar. Both want Linux developers. Apple's push >>>>>> with Swift, which is open source and released for Linux. >>>>>> Who developed it? Apple. It didn't appear from thin air. >>>>>> Someone had to develop that for Linux. Microsoft releasing >>>>>> SQLserver for Linux. I could go on and on. >>>>> >>>>> I'm still wondering when any of you will respond to the fact >>>>> that developers don't make money selling software _on_ the >>>>> Linux platform. Everyone is so adamant about misreading what >>>>> I wrote. >>>> >>>> You're back to same old broken record again. >>> >>> Whatever rocks your boat. >>> >>>> Clion, the IDE I like to use for C is published by jetBrains. >>>> Look them up. I pay for that software. I Paid for Qoppa >>>> PDFStudio Pro. Zimbra has both an open source and an enhanced >>>> version which is paid for. I used Zimbra for more than a year >>>> as my mail server and client. Look at all those games in Steam >>>> catalog. Those are being sold for money and there are more than >>>> a thousand of them. I am assume you've heard of VMWare? Isn't >>>> DropBox software as well as a service? I'm paying for it and it >>>> runs on my Majaro laptop as I speak. That's paid for software >>>> on Linux. Remember those codecs I mentioned from Fluendo? One >>>> Play, the media player, the DVD player, the media codecs... All >>>> of these are paid for software. Is Microsoft not publishing >>>> SQLServer for Linux? Autodesk sells Maya for rhel do they not? >>> >>> I can only comment on Steam since I didn't try any of the other >>> programs you mentioned. In Steam, most of the huge library of >>> games currently available are either developed to look like games >>> from the 16-bit era or actually come from there. If they're >>> bigger games, they are only released out of the goodness of the >>> developer's heart and not because they expect to sell a large >>> number of copies in Linux. In fact, you'll notice that most >>> developers have already given up on the idea since SteamOS and >>> the SteamBox were both disasters. >> >> Have you spoken to most Steam developers? > > A very dumb response in light of the evidence: > ><https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Steam-Linux-May-201 > 6-Stats> > > "The May 2016 stats from Valve show the Steam Linux marketshare > falling by another 0.06%, or down to 0.84%. For May last year, the > market-share was at 0.88% while last month was obviously at 0.90%. " > > "The indicated OS X usage for May was 3.67% and Windows was at 95.39%. " > > Gee, I wonder where the developers will go. Where indeed?? If they make it simple to cross develop, what's the problem? And what did you expect at this early stage? A runaway success that smashes Windows right off the bat? -- Marek Novotny https://github.com/marek-novotny
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| From | Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> |
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| Date | 2016-10-11 19:05 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <ntjr71$dcu$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #376004 |
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On 2016-10-11 6:00 PM, Marek Novotny wrote: > On 2016-10-11, Silver Slimer <> wrote: >> >> On 2016-10-11 4:58 PM, Marek Novotny wrote: >>> On 2016-10-11, Silver Slimer <> wrote: >>>> >>>> On 2016-10-11 12:01 PM, Marek Novotny wrote: >>>>> On 2016-10-11, Silver Slimer <> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> On 2016-10-11 11:39 AM, Marek Novotny wrote: >>>>>>> On 2016-10-11, Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> On Tuesday, October 11, 2016 at 9:19:19 AM UTC-6, >>>>>>>> Marek Novotny wrote: >>>>>>>>> On 2016-10-11, Silver Slimer <> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> // snip >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> No company is hiring to produce Linux software >>>>>>>>>> other than RedHat as far as I can tell since >>>>>>>>>> there is no money to be made selling such stuff >>>>>>>>>> on the platform. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Incorrect. Any distribution that pays any employee >>>>>>>>> is producing software for Linux. If you're hired >>>>>>>>> by Canonical to work on Ubuntu, you're a paid >>>>>>>>> Linux software developer. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Does intel pay their kernel developers? Of course >>>>>>>>> they do. That's a paid Linux developer. And just >>>>>>>>> look at the top 20 contributors. Even Microsoft has >>>>>>>>> paid Linux developers. They too contribute to the >>>>>>>>> Linux kernel. What about the people working on >>>>>>>>> bring the Linux environment to Microsoft windows? >>>>>>>>> They are not Linux software developers? Of course >>>>>>>>> they are. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The arstechnica.com site recently published an >>>>>>>> article entitled: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "Google and Samsung soar into list of top 10 Linux >>>>>>>> contributors." "And Microsoft's days of major Linux >>>>>>>> contributions have come to a halt." >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I knew it was big and getting bigger but this line >>>>>>>> really stuck out to me: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "Most Linux developers contribute to the kernel as >>>>>>>> part of their employment." >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> <http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/09/google-a nd >> >>>>>>>> - - -s >>>> >>>>>>>> >> am >>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> sung-soar-into-list-of-top-10-linux-contributors/> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> Yes, I had provided a link from the Linux Foundation >>>>>>> some time back. I do that from time to time. The Linux >>>>>>> Foundation publishes a lot of research in this >>>>>>> particular area. Linux jobs are plentiful. There is so >>>>>>> much Linux infrastructure. Just look at Docker. Look at >>>>>>> Ansible, Puppet, Chef, Juju. Look at the volume of work >>>>>>> going into OpenStack and related file systems. How >>>>>>> about IBM's push into Linux with the LinuxOne Main >>>>>>> Frame. It's frankly everywhere you look. Look at the >>>>>>> job opportunities from Apple or Pixar. Both want Linux >>>>>>> developers. Apple's push with Swift, which is open >>>>>>> source and released for Linux. Who developed it? Apple. >>>>>>> It didn't appear from thin air. Someone had to develop >>>>>>> that for Linux. Microsoft releasing SQLserver for >>>>>>> Linux. I could go on and on. >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm still wondering when any of you will respond to the >>>>>> fact that developers don't make money selling software >>>>>> _on_ the Linux platform. Everyone is so adamant about >>>>>> misreading what I wrote. >>>>> >>>>> You're back to same old broken record again. >>>> >>>> Whatever rocks your boat. >>>> >>>>> Clion, the IDE I like to use for C is published by >>>>> jetBrains. Look them up. I pay for that software. I Paid >>>>> for Qoppa PDFStudio Pro. Zimbra has both an open source and >>>>> an enhanced version which is paid for. I used Zimbra for >>>>> more than a year as my mail server and client. Look at all >>>>> those games in Steam catalog. Those are being sold for >>>>> money and there are more than a thousand of them. I am >>>>> assume you've heard of VMWare? Isn't DropBox software as >>>>> well as a service? I'm paying for it and it runs on my >>>>> Majaro laptop as I speak. That's paid for software on >>>>> Linux. Remember those codecs I mentioned from Fluendo? One >>>>> Play, the media player, the DVD player, the media codecs... >>>>> All of these are paid for software. Is Microsoft not >>>>> publishing SQLServer for Linux? Autodesk sells Maya for >>>>> rhel do they not? >>>> >>>> I can only comment on Steam since I didn't try any of the >>>> other programs you mentioned. In Steam, most of the huge >>>> library of games currently available are either developed to >>>> look like games from the 16-bit era or actually come from >>>> there. If they're bigger games, they are only released out of >>>> the goodness of the developer's heart and not because they >>>> expect to sell a large number of copies in Linux. In fact, >>>> you'll notice that most developers have already given up on >>>> the idea since SteamOS and the SteamBox were both disasters. >>> >>> Have you spoken to most Steam developers? >> >> A very dumb response in light of the evidence: >> >> <https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Steam-Linux-May- 201 >> >> 6-Stats> >> >> "The May 2016 stats from Valve show the Steam Linux marketshare >> falling by another 0.06%, or down to 0.84%. For May last year, >> the market-share was at 0.88% while last month was obviously at >> 0.90%. " >> >> "The indicated OS X usage for May was 3.67% and Windows was at >> 95.39%. " >> >> Gee, I wonder where the developers will go. > > Where indeed?? If they make it simple to cross develop, what's the > problem? And what did you expect at this early stage? A runaway > success that smashes Windows right off the bat? The only hope for Linux (and the Mac, ironically) is if the Vulkan development platform becomes popular. As it is, companies seem to prefer DirectX which makes porting a difficult process. If, however, they consider their options and realize how much smarter using Vulkan would be, then Linux might actually have a chance to get gaming users and therefore to become a much more viable platform for whichever developer resists at first. It won't happen though. I've already seen Mantle fail in a short period of time so there's no reason to believe Vulkan will fare better. Besides, Linux doesn't do its users many favours in having certain things not work in one version and then working again in the next only to become completely non-functional in the one after that. That's how Ubuntu seems to work at least. - -- Silver Slimer Islam is a disease Gab.AI: @silverslimer -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iQEcBAEBCAAGBQJX/XAxAAoJEIwFfgf/rr+u/gwH+wT1D7TTKLr/MW8smh0sGOl4 g7SIuEPmI/rkRttVKMXnIFkuOcC79tv/yfw9STtd/lcjKZ+bfJTGRVr6flE8ooLC EiRwe2nD2F8wWCL4f8+FemkM5F6LOu1aQuVLWsu5+qWpQUKKTzzfgxeQ4sVahzY0 YLzG7F3eIT195POmbfgpsWr9s/eHDfLjE4mdYVQeyN0JY+Pr97qdo+CoT8BmfLf7 4eHJIzBqc/tmv8tV+sdOjEF27p/PQBncTuYjiONhHcwZBF87MBdjknZFQHdk+6W8 on7iW4rIYqDRnjTFcR0xnUNtbGoMdyIi/AyYdLpZEbJPZ9JuaYfjzf1ytQU8QiE= =EB/0 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
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| From | Jim Polaski <jpolaski@linuxmail.org> |
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| Date | 2016-10-11 23:32 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <e65b3qFbg24U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #376011 |
On 2016-10-11, Silver Slimer <> wrote: > > On 2016-10-11 6:00 PM, Marek Novotny wrote: >> On 2016-10-11, Silver Slimer <> wrote: >>> >>> On 2016-10-11 4:58 PM, Marek Novotny wrote: >>>> On 2016-10-11, Silver Slimer <> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> On 2016-10-11 12:01 PM, Marek Novotny wrote: >>>>>> On 2016-10-11, Silver Slimer <> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 2016-10-11 11:39 AM, Marek Novotny wrote: >>>>>>>> On 2016-10-11, Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, October 11, 2016 at 9:19:19 AM UTC-6, >>>>>>>>> Marek Novotny wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On 2016-10-11, Silver Slimer <> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> // snip >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> No company is hiring to produce Linux software >>>>>>>>>>> other than RedHat as far as I can tell since >>>>>>>>>>> there is no money to be made selling such stuff >>>>>>>>>>> on the platform. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Incorrect. Any distribution that pays any employee >>>>>>>>>> is producing software for Linux. If you're hired >>>>>>>>>> by Canonical to work on Ubuntu, you're a paid >>>>>>>>>> Linux software developer. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Does intel pay their kernel developers? Of course >>>>>>>>>> they do. That's a paid Linux developer. And just >>>>>>>>>> look at the top 20 contributors. Even Microsoft has >>>>>>>>>> paid Linux developers. They too contribute to the >>>>>>>>>> Linux kernel. What about the people working on >>>>>>>>>> bring the Linux environment to Microsoft windows? >>>>>>>>>> They are not Linux software developers? Of course >>>>>>>>>> they are. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The arstechnica.com site recently published an >>>>>>>>> article entitled: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> "Google and Samsung soar into list of top 10 Linux >>>>>>>>> contributors." "And Microsoft's days of major Linux >>>>>>>>> contributions have come to a halt." >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I knew it was big and getting bigger but this line >>>>>>>>> really stuck out to me: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> "Most Linux developers contribute to the kernel as >>>>>>>>> part of their employment." >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> <http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/09/google-a > nd >>> >>>>>>>>> > - - -s >>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>> am >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>> sung-soar-into-list-of-top-10-linux-contributors/> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Yes, I had provided a link from the Linux Foundation >>>>>>>> some time back. I do that from time to time. The Linux >>>>>>>> Foundation publishes a lot of research in this >>>>>>>> particular area. Linux jobs are plentiful. There is so >>>>>>>> much Linux infrastructure. Just look at Docker. Look at >>>>>>>> Ansible, Puppet, Chef, Juju. Look at the volume of work >>>>>>>> going into OpenStack and related file systems. How >>>>>>>> about IBM's push into Linux with the LinuxOne Main >>>>>>>> Frame. It's frankly everywhere you look. Look at the >>>>>>>> job opportunities from Apple or Pixar. Both want Linux >>>>>>>> developers. Apple's push with Swift, which is open >>>>>>>> source and released for Linux. Who developed it? Apple. >>>>>>>> It didn't appear from thin air. Someone had to develop >>>>>>>> that for Linux. Microsoft releasing SQLserver for >>>>>>>> Linux. I could go on and on. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm still wondering when any of you will respond to the >>>>>>> fact that developers don't make money selling software >>>>>>> _on_ the Linux platform. Everyone is so adamant about >>>>>>> misreading what I wrote. >>>>>> >>>>>> You're back to same old broken record again. >>>>> >>>>> Whatever rocks your boat. >>>>> >>>>>> Clion, the IDE I like to use for C is published by >>>>>> jetBrains. Look them up. I pay for that software. I Paid >>>>>> for Qoppa PDFStudio Pro. Zimbra has both an open source and >>>>>> an enhanced version which is paid for. I used Zimbra for >>>>>> more than a year as my mail server and client. Look at all >>>>>> those games in Steam catalog. Those are being sold for >>>>>> money and there are more than a thousand of them. I am >>>>>> assume you've heard of VMWare? Isn't DropBox software as >>>>>> well as a service? I'm paying for it and it runs on my >>>>>> Majaro laptop as I speak. That's paid for software on >>>>>> Linux. Remember those codecs I mentioned from Fluendo? One >>>>>> Play, the media player, the DVD player, the media codecs... >>>>>> All of these are paid for software. Is Microsoft not >>>>>> publishing SQLServer for Linux? Autodesk sells Maya for >>>>>> rhel do they not? >>>>> >>>>> I can only comment on Steam since I didn't try any of the >>>>> other programs you mentioned. In Steam, most of the huge >>>>> library of games currently available are either developed to >>>>> look like games from the 16-bit era or actually come from >>>>> there. If they're bigger games, they are only released out of >>>>> the goodness of the developer's heart and not because they >>>>> expect to sell a large number of copies in Linux. In fact, >>>>> you'll notice that most developers have already given up on >>>>> the idea since SteamOS and the SteamBox were both disasters. >>>> >>>> Have you spoken to most Steam developers? >>> >>> A very dumb response in light of the evidence: >>> >>> <https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Steam-Linux-May- > 201 >>> >>> > 6-Stats> >>> >>> "The May 2016 stats from Valve show the Steam Linux marketshare >>> falling by another 0.06%, or down to 0.84%. For May last year, >>> the market-share was at 0.88% while last month was obviously at >>> 0.90%. " >>> >>> "The indicated OS X usage for May was 3.67% and Windows was at >>> 95.39%. " >>> >>> Gee, I wonder where the developers will go. >> >> Where indeed?? If they make it simple to cross develop, what's the >> problem? And what did you expect at this early stage? A runaway >> success that smashes Windows right off the bat? > > The only hope for Linux (and the Mac, ironically) is if the Vulkan > development platform becomes popular. As it is, companies seem to > prefer DirectX which makes porting a difficult process. If, however, > they consider their options and realize how much smarter using Vulkan > would be, then Linux might actually have a chance to get gaming users > and therefore to become a much more viable platform for whichever > developer resists at first. > > It won't happen though. I've already seen Mantle fail in a short > period of time so there's no reason to believe Vulkan will fare > better. Besides, Linux doesn't do its users many favours in having > certain things not work in one version and then working again in the > next only to become completely non-functional in the one after that. > That's how Ubuntu seems to work at least. > > - -- > Silver Slimer > Islam is a disease > Gab.AI: @silverslimer The game market is overloaded already. It's the same thing smartphone manufacturers will run into trying to break into the market. Even Microsoft got killed with their Windows phone. Too many players already so they were doomed from the start.
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| From | Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> |
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| Date | 2016-10-12 08:15 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <ntl9gh$2ai$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #376018 |
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On 2016-10-11 7:32 PM, Jim Polaski wrote: > On 2016-10-11, Silver Slimer <> wrote: >> >> On 2016-10-11 6:00 PM, Marek Novotny wrote: >>> On 2016-10-11, Silver Slimer <> wrote: >>>> >>>> On 2016-10-11 4:58 PM, Marek Novotny wrote: >>>>> On 2016-10-11, Silver Slimer <> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> On 2016-10-11 12:01 PM, Marek Novotny wrote: >>>>>>> On 2016-10-11, Silver Slimer <> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 2016-10-11 11:39 AM, Marek Novotny wrote: >>>>>>>>> On 2016-10-11, Steve Carroll >>>>>>>>> <fretwizzer@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, October 11, 2016 at 9:19:19 AM >>>>>>>>>> UTC-6, Marek Novotny wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> On 2016-10-11, Silver Slimer <> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> // snip >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> No company is hiring to produce Linux >>>>>>>>>>>> software other than RedHat as far as I can >>>>>>>>>>>> tell since there is no money to be made >>>>>>>>>>>> selling such stuff on the platform. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Incorrect. Any distribution that pays any >>>>>>>>>>> employee is producing software for Linux. If >>>>>>>>>>> you're hired by Canonical to work on Ubuntu, >>>>>>>>>>> you're a paid Linux software developer. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Does intel pay their kernel developers? Of >>>>>>>>>>> course they do. That's a paid Linux developer. >>>>>>>>>>> And just look at the top 20 contributors. Even >>>>>>>>>>> Microsoft has paid Linux developers. They too >>>>>>>>>>> contribute to the Linux kernel. What about the >>>>>>>>>>> people working on bring the Linux environment >>>>>>>>>>> to Microsoft windows? They are not Linux >>>>>>>>>>> software developers? Of course they are. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The arstechnica.com site recently published an >>>>>>>>>> article entitled: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> "Google and Samsung soar into list of top 10 >>>>>>>>>> Linux contributors." "And Microsoft's days of >>>>>>>>>> major Linux contributions have come to a halt." >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I knew it was big and getting bigger but this >>>>>>>>>> line really stuck out to me: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> "Most Linux developers contribute to the kernel >>>>>>>>>> as part of their employment." >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> <http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/09/google - -a >> >>>>>>>>>> nd >>>> >>>>>>>>>> >> - - -s >>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>> am >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> sung-soar-into-list-of-top-10-linux-contributors/> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Yes, I had provided a link from the Linux >>>>>>>>> Foundation some time back. I do that from time to >>>>>>>>> time. The Linux Foundation publishes a lot of >>>>>>>>> research in this particular area. Linux jobs are >>>>>>>>> plentiful. There is so much Linux infrastructure. >>>>>>>>> Just look at Docker. Look at Ansible, Puppet, Chef, >>>>>>>>> Juju. Look at the volume of work going into >>>>>>>>> OpenStack and related file systems. How about IBM's >>>>>>>>> push into Linux with the LinuxOne Main Frame. It's >>>>>>>>> frankly everywhere you look. Look at the job >>>>>>>>> opportunities from Apple or Pixar. Both want Linux >>>>>>>>> developers. Apple's push with Swift, which is open >>>>>>>>> source and released for Linux. Who developed it? >>>>>>>>> Apple. It didn't appear from thin air. Someone had >>>>>>>>> to develop that for Linux. Microsoft releasing >>>>>>>>> SQLserver for Linux. I could go on and on. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I'm still wondering when any of you will respond to >>>>>>>> the fact that developers don't make money selling >>>>>>>> software _on_ the Linux platform. Everyone is so >>>>>>>> adamant about misreading what I wrote. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You're back to same old broken record again. >>>>>> >>>>>> Whatever rocks your boat. >>>>>> >>>>>>> Clion, the IDE I like to use for C is published by >>>>>>> jetBrains. Look them up. I pay for that software. I >>>>>>> Paid for Qoppa PDFStudio Pro. Zimbra has both an open >>>>>>> source and an enhanced version which is paid for. I >>>>>>> used Zimbra for more than a year as my mail server and >>>>>>> client. Look at all those games in Steam catalog. Those >>>>>>> are being sold for money and there are more than a >>>>>>> thousand of them. I am assume you've heard of VMWare? >>>>>>> Isn't DropBox software as well as a service? I'm paying >>>>>>> for it and it runs on my Majaro laptop as I speak. >>>>>>> That's paid for software on Linux. Remember those >>>>>>> codecs I mentioned from Fluendo? One Play, the media >>>>>>> player, the DVD player, the media codecs... All of >>>>>>> these are paid for software. Is Microsoft not >>>>>>> publishing SQLServer for Linux? Autodesk sells Maya >>>>>>> for rhel do they not? >>>>>> >>>>>> I can only comment on Steam since I didn't try any of >>>>>> the other programs you mentioned. In Steam, most of the >>>>>> huge library of games currently available are either >>>>>> developed to look like games from the 16-bit era or >>>>>> actually come from there. If they're bigger games, they >>>>>> are only released out of the goodness of the developer's >>>>>> heart and not because they expect to sell a large number >>>>>> of copies in Linux. In fact, you'll notice that most >>>>>> developers have already given up on the idea since >>>>>> SteamOS and the SteamBox were both disasters. >>>>> >>>>> Have you spoken to most Steam developers? >>>> >>>> A very dumb response in light of the evidence: >>>> >>>> <https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Steam-Linux-Ma y- >> >>>> 201 >>>> >>>> >> 6-Stats> >>>> >>>> "The May 2016 stats from Valve show the Steam Linux >>>> marketshare falling by another 0.06%, or down to 0.84%. For >>>> May last year, the market-share was at 0.88% while last month >>>> was obviously at 0.90%. " >>>> >>>> "The indicated OS X usage for May was 3.67% and Windows was >>>> at 95.39%. " >>>> >>>> Gee, I wonder where the developers will go. >>> >>> Where indeed?? If they make it simple to cross develop, what's >>> the problem? And what did you expect at this early stage? A >>> runaway success that smashes Windows right off the bat? >> >> The only hope for Linux (and the Mac, ironically) is if the >> Vulkan development platform becomes popular. As it is, companies >> seem to prefer DirectX which makes porting a difficult process. >> If, however, they consider their options and realize how much >> smarter using Vulkan would be, then Linux might actually have a >> chance to get gaming users and therefore to become a much more >> viable platform for whichever developer resists at first. >> >> It won't happen though. I've already seen Mantle fail in a short >> period of time so there's no reason to believe Vulkan will fare >> better. Besides, Linux doesn't do its users many favours in >> having certain things not work in one version and then working >> again in the next only to become completely non-functional in the >> one after that. That's how Ubuntu seems to work at least. >> >> - -- Silver Slimer Islam is a disease Gab.AI: @silverslimer > > The game market is overloaded already. It's the same thing > smartphone manufacturers will run into trying to break into the > market. Even Microsoft got killed with their Windows phone. Too > many players already so they were doomed from the start. The problem with the Windows Phone is that while it had good idea (sandboxed applications), Microsoft was unable to get its bundled software to work properly. Take my experience as an example: Cortana worked fine in Windows 8.1, it suddenly didn't work well at all in 10. Bluetooth streaming in Windows 8.1 worked but cut off the music from time to time, it suddenly worked fine in 10. 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