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  Another study, same outcome -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2016-09-27 19:12 -0700
    Re: Another study, same outcome Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-09-28 08:09 -0400
      Re: Another study, same outcome Jim Polaski <jpolaski@linuxmail.org> - 2016-09-28 14:27 +0000
        Re: Another study, same outcome Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-09-28 11:57 -0400
          Re: Another study, same outcome Jim Polaski <jpolaski@linuxmail.org> - 2016-09-28 16:32 +0000
            Re: Another study, same outcome Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-09-28 14:52 -0400
      Re: Another study, same outcome Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2016-09-28 16:28 +0100
        Re: Another study, same outcome Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-09-28 12:14 -0400
      Re: Another study, same outcome -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2016-09-29 03:47 -0700
        Re: Another study, same outcome Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-09-29 08:01 -0400
          Re: Another study, same outcome -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2016-09-29 07:02 -0700
            Re: Another study, same outcome Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-09-29 12:07 -0400
              Re: Another study, same outcome -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2016-09-29 10:44 -0700
            Re: Once you've used a 4K IPS monitor, on a monitor arm... -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2016-09-29 12:32 -0700

#373081 — Another study, same outcome

Cuss n discuss...

http://www.webpagefx.com/blog/general/iphone-smartphone-market-share/

-hh

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#373102

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On 2016-09-27 10:12 PM, -hh wrote:
> Cuss n discuss...
> 
> http://www.webpagefx.com/blog/general/iphone-smartphone-market-share/

I
> 
think that Apple users are truly turning to their iPhones for every
task traditionally accomplished on a computer whereas Android users
(and others) use the device as a companion of sorts.

All I can say for sure is that when my Lumia 830 Windows Phone decided
that its in-call mic would no longer work, I bought a three-year
refurbished Sony Xperia Z with Android 5.1 on it. I expected it to be
slow, but it is insanely fast. Unlike Cortana which stopped working
correctly on Windows 10 mobile for me, the OK Google features is
insanely accurate and seems to work in more than just the default
music program (I'll have to confirm this). However, even the default
apps are superior to what Windows Phone offers, the security is
amazing (encrypt phone, encrypt e-mails, etc.) and the three year-old
hardware is as good as anyone would ever need IMO. If people can't do
_everything_ they would do on the iPhone on this thing, especially
with newer models, then I have no idea what they're looking for.


- -- 
Silver Slimer
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#373132

On 2016-09-28, Silver Slimer <> wrote:
>
> On 2016-09-27 10:12 PM, -hh wrote:
>> Cuss n discuss...
>> 
>> http://www.webpagefx.com/blog/general/iphone-smartphone-market-share/
>
> I
>> 
> think that Apple users are truly turning to their iPhones for every
> task traditionally accomplished on a computer whereas Android users
> (and others) use the device as a companion of sorts.
>
> All I can say for sure is that when my Lumia 830 Windows Phone decided
> that its in-call mic would no longer work, I bought a three-year
> refurbished Sony Xperia Z with Android 5.1 on it. I expected it to be
> slow, but it is insanely fast. Unlike Cortana which stopped working
> correctly on Windows 10 mobile for me, the OK Google features is
> insanely accurate and seems to work in more than just the default
> music program (I'll have to confirm this). However, even the default
> apps are superior to what Windows Phone offers, the security is
> amazing (encrypt phone, encrypt e-mails, etc.) and the three year-old
> hardware is as good as anyone would ever need IMO. If people can't do
> _everything_ they would do on the iPhone on this thing, especially
> with newer models, then I have no idea what they're looking for.
>
>
> - -- 
> Silver Slimer
> Islam is a disease

Sony makes pretty good phones. They just don't get the press that 
Samsung does. LG is another good phone manufacturer. I think my next 
phone is going to be an Android (I have an iPhone 5s now) and I'm 
looking at a pure Google phone like a Nexus.
I'm tired of Apple and the iPhone and I don't like the iPhone 7 at all.

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#373151

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On 2016-09-28 10:27 AM, Jim Polaski wrote:
> On 2016-09-28, Silver Slimer <> wrote:
>> 
>> On 2016-09-27 10:12 PM, -hh wrote:
>>> Cuss n discuss...
>>> 
>>> http://www.webpagefx.com/blog/general/iphone-smartphone-market-share
/
>>
>>
>>> 
I
>>> 
>> think that Apple users are truly turning to their iPhones for
>> every task traditionally accomplished on a computer whereas
>> Android users (and others) use the device as a companion of
>> sorts.
>> 
>> All I can say for sure is that when my Lumia 830 Windows Phone
>> decided that its in-call mic would no longer work, I bought a
>> three-year refurbished Sony Xperia Z with Android 5.1 on it. I
>> expected it to be slow, but it is insanely fast. Unlike Cortana
>> which stopped working correctly on Windows 10 mobile for me, the
>> OK Google features is insanely accurate and seems to work in more
>> than just the default music program (I'll have to confirm this).
>> However, even the default apps are superior to what Windows Phone
>> offers, the security is amazing (encrypt phone, encrypt e-mails,
>> etc.) and the three year-old hardware is as good as anyone would
>> ever need IMO. If people can't do _everything_ they would do on
>> the iPhone on this thing, especially with newer models, then I
>> have no idea what they're looking for.
>> 
>> 
>> - -- Silver Slimer Islam is a disease
> 
> Sony makes pretty good phones. They just don't get the press that 
> Samsung does. LG is another good phone manufacturer. I think my
> next phone is going to be an Android (I have an iPhone 5s now) and
> I'm looking at a pure Google phone like a Nexus. I'm tired of Apple
> and the iPhone and I don't like the iPhone 7 at all.

The problem with the Nexus phones is that they never come with a
MicroSD slot. That, for me, is a deal breaker. I use a 64GB MicroSD
for all of my music (down from the 128GB I broke in transferring from
one phone to the other) and I can't imagine using the very limited
built-in storage for all of that media.


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#373171

On 2016-09-28, Silver Slimer <> wrote:
>
> On 2016-09-28 10:27 AM, Jim Polaski wrote:
>> On 2016-09-28, Silver Slimer <> wrote:
>>> 
>>> On 2016-09-27 10:12 PM, -hh wrote:
>>>> Cuss n discuss...
>>>> 
>>>> http://www.webpagefx.com/blog/general/iphone-smartphone-market-share
> /
>>>
>>>
>>>> 
> I
>>>> 
>>> think that Apple users are truly turning to their iPhones for
>>> every task traditionally accomplished on a computer whereas
>>> Android users (and others) use the device as a companion of
>>> sorts.
>>> 
>>> All I can say for sure is that when my Lumia 830 Windows Phone
>>> decided that its in-call mic would no longer work, I bought a
>>> three-year refurbished Sony Xperia Z with Android 5.1 on it. I
>>> expected it to be slow, but it is insanely fast. Unlike Cortana
>>> which stopped working correctly on Windows 10 mobile for me, the
>>> OK Google features is insanely accurate and seems to work in more
>>> than just the default music program (I'll have to confirm this).
>>> However, even the default apps are superior to what Windows Phone
>>> offers, the security is amazing (encrypt phone, encrypt e-mails,
>>> etc.) and the three year-old hardware is as good as anyone would
>>> ever need IMO. If people can't do _everything_ they would do on
>>> the iPhone on this thing, especially with newer models, then I
>>> have no idea what they're looking for.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> - -- Silver Slimer Islam is a disease
>> 
>> Sony makes pretty good phones. They just don't get the press that 
>> Samsung does. LG is another good phone manufacturer. I think my
>> next phone is going to be an Android (I have an iPhone 5s now) and
>> I'm looking at a pure Google phone like a Nexus. I'm tired of Apple
>> and the iPhone and I don't like the iPhone 7 at all.
>
> The problem with the Nexus phones is that they never come with a
> MicroSD slot. That, for me, is a deal breaker. I use a 64GB MicroSD
> for all of my music (down from the 128GB I broke in transferring from
> one phone to the other) and I can't imagine using the very limited
> built-in storage for all of that media.
>
>
> - -- 
> Silver Slimer
> Islam is a disease

The lack of a MicroSD slot is a problem for sure. I would just buy the 
biggest model and be done with it. I have an old Android with a 64GB 
card in it that I use to stream music in my car.

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#373215

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On 2016-09-28 12:32 PM, Jim Polaski wrote:
> On 2016-09-28, Silver Slimer <> wrote:
>> 
>> On 2016-09-28 10:27 AM, Jim Polaski wrote:
>>> On 2016-09-28, Silver Slimer <> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> On 2016-09-27 10:12 PM, -hh wrote:
>>>>> Cuss n discuss...
>>>>> 
>>>>> http://www.webpagefx.com/blog/general/iphone-smartphone-market-sha
re
>>
>>>>> 
/
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> 
>> I
>>>>> 
>>>> think that Apple users are truly turning to their iPhones
>>>> for every task traditionally accomplished on a computer
>>>> whereas Android users (and others) use the device as a
>>>> companion of sorts.
>>>> 
>>>> All I can say for sure is that when my Lumia 830 Windows
>>>> Phone decided that its in-call mic would no longer work, I
>>>> bought a three-year refurbished Sony Xperia Z with Android
>>>> 5.1 on it. I expected it to be slow, but it is insanely fast.
>>>> Unlike Cortana which stopped working correctly on Windows 10
>>>> mobile for me, the OK Google features is insanely accurate
>>>> and seems to work in more than just the default music program
>>>> (I'll have to confirm this). However, even the default apps
>>>> are superior to what Windows Phone offers, the security is
>>>> amazing (encrypt phone, encrypt e-mails, etc.) and the three
>>>> year-old hardware is as good as anyone would ever need IMO.
>>>> If people can't do _everything_ they would do on the iPhone
>>>> on this thing, especially with newer models, then I have no
>>>> idea what they're looking for.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> - -- Silver Slimer Islam is a disease
>>> 
>>> Sony makes pretty good phones. They just don't get the press
>>> that Samsung does. LG is another good phone manufacturer. I
>>> think my next phone is going to be an Android (I have an iPhone
>>> 5s now) and I'm looking at a pure Google phone like a Nexus.
>>> I'm tired of Apple and the iPhone and I don't like the iPhone 7
>>> at all.
>> 
>> The problem with the Nexus phones is that they never come with a 
>> MicroSD slot. That, for me, is a deal breaker. I use a 64GB
>> MicroSD for all of my music (down from the 128GB I broke in
>> transferring from one phone to the other) and I can't imagine
>> using the very limited built-in storage for all of that media.
>> 
>> 
>> - -- Silver Slimer Islam is a disease
> 
> The lack of a MicroSD slot is a problem for sure. I would just buy
> the biggest model and be done with it. I have an old Android with a
> 64GB card in it that I use to stream music in my car.

I was planning on doing the same thing with my now-retired Windows
Phone but the streaming on it is shit in Windows 8 mobile (which I
restored onto the phone) and I'd be lacking the phone capabilities
which are sometimes needed when I'm driving. Instead, I just use the
"new" Android phone for everything. I am still impressed with it.

- -- 
Silver Slimer
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#373143

On 28/09/2016 13:09, Silver Slimer wrote:
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> On 2016-09-27 10:12 PM, -hh wrote:
>> Cuss n discuss...
>>
>> http://www.webpagefx.com/blog/general/iphone-smartphone-market-share/
>
> I
>>
> think that Apple users are truly turning to their iPhones for every
> task traditionally accomplished on a computer whereas Android users
> (and others) use the device as a companion of sorts.
>
> All I can say for sure is that when my Lumia 830 Windows Phone decided
> that its in-call mic would no longer work, I bought a three-year
> refurbished Sony Xperia Z with Android 5.1 on it. I expected it to be
> slow, but it is insanely fast. Unlike Cortana which stopped working
> correctly on Windows 10 mobile for me, the OK Google features is
> insanely accurate and seems to work in more than just the default
> music program (I'll have to confirm this). However, even the default
> apps are superior to what Windows Phone offers, the security is
> amazing (encrypt phone, encrypt e-mails, etc.) and the three year-old

Security, Android 5.1? Sounds like an oxymoron.

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#373159

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On 2016-09-28 11:28 AM, Desk Rabbit wrote:
> On 28/09/2016 13:09, Silver Slimer wrote:
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>> 
>> On 2016-09-27 10:12 PM, -hh wrote:
>>> Cuss n discuss...
>>> 
>>> http://www.webpagefx.com/blog/general/iphone-smartphone-market-share
/
>>
>>
>>> 
I
>>> 
>> think that Apple users are truly turning to their iPhones for
>> every task traditionally accomplished on a computer whereas
>> Android users (and others) use the device as a companion of
>> sorts.
>> 
>> All I can say for sure is that when my Lumia 830 Windows Phone
>> decided that its in-call mic would no longer work, I bought a
>> three-year refurbished Sony Xperia Z with Android 5.1 on it. I
>> expected it to be slow, but it is insanely fast. Unlike Cortana
>> which stopped working correctly on Windows 10 mobile for me, the
>> OK Google features is insanely accurate and seems to work in more
>> than just the default music program (I'll have to confirm this).
>> However, even the default apps are superior to what Windows Phone
>> offers, the security is amazing (encrypt phone, encrypt e-mails,
>> etc.) and the three year-old
> 
> Security, Android 5.1? Sounds like an oxymoron.

Well, it's the highest version this almost four year-old device allows
unless I play with CyanogenMod. Is there anything I need to know about
its security issues?

- -- 
Silver Slimer
Islam is a disease
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#373298

Silver Slimer wrote:

> On 2016-09-27 10:12 PM, -hh wrote:
> > Cuss n discuss...
> > 
> > http://www.webpagefx.com/blog/general/iphone-smartphone-market-share/
> 
> I think that Apple users are truly turning to their iPhones for every
> task traditionally accomplished on a computer whereas Android users
> (and others) use the device as a companion of sorts.

Kind of like the difference between a good Admin that helps you get all of 
those important actions done for you in the office ... versus ... a good looking 
who can sit at a typewriter but doesn't get much done?  <g>
 
> ... and the three year-old
> hardware is as good as anyone would ever need IMO. If people can't do
> _everything_ they would do on the iPhone on this thing, especially
> with newer models, then I have no idea what they're looking for.

The hardware performance curve has improved enough such that these
mobile devices are becoming similar to desktops in that there isn't as
much motivation to upgrade because of noticeably better horsepower
to get desired tasks done ... but by the same token, where the puck is
heading is into the software in the background and figuring out just
what it can do which is clearly value-added.  Voice commands are a
simple example; apps with more reach are another - - case in point,
instead of merely a map, an app can not only show you where you're 
at, but also recommend a driving route from A to B, estimate how long
it is going to take based on current traffic conditions, handle road
closures, etc...that's pulling from multiple data sources & integrating.


-hh

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#373304

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On 2016-09-29 6:47 AM, -hh wrote:
> Silver Slimer wrote:
> 
>> On 2016-09-27 10:12 PM, -hh wrote:
>>> Cuss n discuss...
>>> 
>>> http://www.webpagefx.com/blog/general/iphone-smartphone-market-share
/
>>
>>
>>> 
I think that Apple users are truly turning to their iPhones for every
>> task traditionally accomplished on a computer whereas Android
>> users (and others) use the device as a companion of sorts.
> 
> Kind of like the difference between a good Admin that helps you get
> all of those important actions done for you in the office ...
> versus ... a good looking who can sit at a typewriter but doesn't
> get much done?  <g>

You're kidding but I actually see it that way. the iPhone will allow
cretins (a lot of those nowadays) to do what they want to do with
technology like taking selfies, posting them to Facebook, sharing
others' selfies and videos and communicating with other cretins. These
people are not concerned with the idea of encrypting their messages,
going on newsgroups, working on office documents (since they don't
have real jobs) or even storing their music libraries (because they
stream) so the iPhone is fantastic. People with greater needs would
find the iPhone too limiting.

>> ... and the three year-old hardware is as good as anyone would
>> ever need IMO. If people can't do _everything_ they would do on
>> the iPhone on this thing, especially with newer models, then I
>> have no idea what they're looking for.
> 
> The hardware performance curve has improved enough such that these 
> mobile devices are becoming similar to desktops in that there isn't
> as much motivation to upgrade because of noticeably better
> horsepower to get desired tasks done ... but by the same token,
> where the puck is heading is into the software in the background
> and figuring out just what it can do which is clearly value-added.
> Voice commands are a simple example; apps with more reach are
> another - - case in point, instead of merely a map, an app can not
> only show you where you're at, but also recommend a driving route
> from A to B, estimate how long it is going to take based on current
> traffic conditions, handle road closures, etc...that's pulling from
> multiple data sources & integrating.

All I know about horsepower is that the mobile phone in my pocket was
released in 2013 (even though I just got it as a replacement) and it
is very fast for all of the tasks I would expect to do with a mobile
phone. To be frank, it gives me no incentive whatsoever to upgrade to
a newer device which is a credit to the hardware Sony created and to
Android which, to my surprise, is incredibly snappy. I admit that
there might eventually be a must-have task which will require greater
horsepower but computer users and manufacturers have been looking
(wishing) for one for the longest time to sell new hardware and it
just hasn't happened; what we did in 2006 is what we're mostly still
doing in 2016.

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Silver Slimer
Islam is a disease
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#373313

Silver Slimer wrote:
>  -hh wrote:
> > Silver Slimer wrote:
> > 
> >> On 2016-09-27 10:12 PM, -hh wrote:
> >>> Cuss n discuss...
> >>> 
> >>> http://www.webpagefx.com/blog/general/iphone-smartphone-market-share
> >>> 
> >> I think that Apple users are truly turning to their iPhones for every
> >> task traditionally accomplished on a computer whereas Android
> >> users (and others) use the device as a companion of sorts.
> > 
> > Kind of like the difference between a good Admin that helps you get
> > all of those important actions done for you in the office ...
> > versus ... a good looking who can sit at a typewriter but doesn't
> > get much done?  <g>
> 
> You're kidding but I actually see it that way. the iPhone will allow
> cretins (a lot of those nowadays) to do what they want to do with
> technology like taking selfies, posting them to Facebook, sharing
> others' selfies and videos and communicating with other cretins. These
> people are not concerned with the idea of encrypting their messages,
> going on newsgroups, working on office documents (since they don't
> have real jobs) or even storing their music libraries (because they
> stream) so the iPhone is fantastic. People with greater needs would
> find the iPhone too limiting.

Really?  

But then just why is it that the data in the cited article finds 
the reality to be the opposite?   Specifically, that the statistical
trends are that higher education/higher income ---> more iPhone share.

The demographic data shows that Android is the choice for the
less educated & less affluent "cretins" (your term, not mine). 


Case in point, I'm just back from an acceptance test on a ~$700K
component assembly for a new prototype ... there were seven 
engineers going through the qualification tests and everyone had
a smartphone:  the demographics were 7 iPhones & 0 Android/other.  


> > The hardware performance curve has improved enough such that...
> 
> All I know about horsepower is that the mobile phone in
> my pocket was released in 2013...and it is very fast for
> all of the tasks I would expect to do with a mobile phone.

Some of this is also that it is easy for us to forget what
our previous products were like.  

Earlier this month, I broke back out an older (3rd gen) 
iPod Touch that I still choose to use occasionally for 
when going into at-risk environments (eg, onboard a diveboat, 
where electronics can get fried by saltwater/sea spray).
Powering up & logging back into my email accounts, the
next step is to have it download a couple hundred of old
emails as it "catches up", and to then delete them.  This 
simple delete task was a slow, boggy experience, because 
it simply isn't anywhere near as fast as current hardware.  
For example, versus last year's iPhone 6s's Apple A9 CPU,
its Geekbench scores are <280 vs. 2372, which means that 
this 2009 device is a full order of magnitude slower than
a 2015 device:

<https://browser.primatelabs.com/ios-benchmarks>

> To be frank, it gives me no incentive whatsoever to upgrade to
> a newer device ...

Once one drives faster stuff, its hard to go back.  Doesn't
matter if we're talking smartphones, PCs, or automobiles. 

> ... what we did in 2006 is what we're mostly still
> doing in 2016.

Except that it isn't.  As I mentioned (but deleted), stuff
like maps now has a lot more detail, resolution and even
real time data context than what we had/used a decade ago,
and it takes more horsepower today.  


-hh

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#373350

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On 2016-09-29 10:02 AM, -hh wrote:
> Silver Slimer wrote:
>> -hh wrote:
>>> Silver Slimer wrote:
>>> 
>>>> On 2016-09-27 10:12 PM, -hh wrote:
>>>>> Cuss n discuss...
>>>>> 
>>>>> http://www.webpagefx.com/blog/general/iphone-smartphone-market-sha
re
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> 
I think that Apple users are truly turning to their iPhones for every
>>>> task traditionally accomplished on a computer whereas
>>>> Android users (and others) use the device as a companion of
>>>> sorts.
>>> 
>>> Kind of like the difference between a good Admin that helps you
>>> get all of those important actions done for you in the office
>>> ... versus ... a good looking who can sit at a typewriter but
>>> doesn't get much done?  <g>
>> 
>> You're kidding but I actually see it that way. the iPhone will
>> allow cretins (a lot of those nowadays) to do what they want to
>> do with technology like taking selfies, posting them to Facebook,
>> sharing others' selfies and videos and communicating with other
>> cretins. These people are not concerned with the idea of
>> encrypting their messages, going on newsgroups, working on office
>> documents (since they don't have real jobs) or even storing their
>> music libraries (because they stream) so the iPhone is fantastic.
>> People with greater needs would find the iPhone too limiting.
> 
> Really?
> 
> But then just why is it that the data in the cited article finds 
> the reality to be the opposite?   Specifically, that the
> statistical trends are that higher education/higher income --->
> more iPhone share.
> 
> The demographic data shows that Android is the choice for the less
> educated & less affluent "cretins" (your term, not mine).
> 
> 
> Case in point, I'm just back from an acceptance test on a ~$700K 
> component assembly for a new prototype ... there were seven 
> engineers going through the qualification tests and everyone had a
> smartphone:  the demographics were 7 iPhones & 0 Android/other.

That's interesting but I still don't believe that the iPhone is the
platform for the smarter people. For the people who don't want to be
bothered maybe but not the smarter people.

>>> The hardware performance curve has improved enough such
>>> that...
>> 
>> All I know about horsepower is that the mobile phone in my pocket
>> was released in 2013...and it is very fast for all of the tasks I
>> would expect to do with a mobile phone.
> 
> Some of this is also that it is easy for us to forget what our
> previous products were like.
> 
> Earlier this month, I broke back out an older (3rd gen) iPod Touch
> that I still choose to use occasionally for when going into at-risk
> environments (eg, onboard a diveboat, where electronics can get
> fried by saltwater/sea spray). Powering up & logging back into my
> email accounts, the next step is to have it download a couple
> hundred of old emails as it "catches up", and to then delete them.
> This simple delete task was a slow, boggy experience, because it
> simply isn't anywhere near as fast as current hardware. For
> example, versus last year's iPhone 6s's Apple A9 CPU, its Geekbench
> scores are <280 vs. 2372, which means that this 2009 device is a
> full order of magnitude slower than a 2015 device:
> 
> <https://browser.primatelabs.com/ios-benchmarks>

Interesting to hear, thank you.

>> To be frank, it gives me no incentive whatsoever to upgrade to a
>> newer device ...
> 
> Once one drives faster stuff, its hard to go back.  Doesn't matter
> if we're talking smartphones, PCs, or automobiles.

However, the upgrade is only necessary if you feel that you need to do
that specific "new" task. If what you're doing in 2013 is the same as
what you're doing in 2016, chances are that you won't need to upgrade
if you use an Android. An iPhone, however, will be way too slow to
even perform those tasks provided you did the software updates.

>> ... what we did in 2006 is what we're mostly still doing in
>> 2016.
> 
> Except that it isn't.  As I mentioned (but deleted), stuff like
> maps now has a lot more detail, resolution and even real time data
> context than what we had/used a decade ago, and it takes more
> horsepower today.

Alright.


- -- 
Silver Slimer
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#373451

Silver Slimer wrote:
> -hh wrote:
> > Silver Slimer wrote:
> >> -hh wrote:
> >>> Silver Slimer wrote:
> >>> 
> >>>> On 2016-09-27 10:12 PM, -hh wrote:
> >>>>> Cuss n discuss...
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> <http://www.webpagefx.com/blog/general/iphone-smartphone-market-share>
> 
> >>>> I think that Apple users are truly turning to their iPhones for 
> >>>> every task traditionally accomplished on a computer whereas
> >>>> Android users (and others) use the device as a companion of
> >>>> sorts.
> >>> 
> >>> Kind of like the difference between a good Admin that helps you
> >>> get all of those important actions done for you in the office
> >>> ... versus ... a good looking who can sit at a typewriter but
> >>> doesn't get much done?  <g>
> >> 
> >> You're kidding but I actually see it that way. the iPhone will
> >> allow cretins (a lot of those nowadays) to do what they want to
> >> do with technology like taking selfies, posting them to Facebook,
> >> sharing others' selfies and videos and communicating with other
> >> cretins. These people are not concerned with the idea of
> >> encrypting their messages, going on newsgroups, working on office
> >> documents (since they don't have real jobs) or even storing their
> >> music libraries (because they stream) so the iPhone is fantastic.
> >> People with greater needs would find the iPhone too limiting.
> > 
> > Really?
> > 
> > But then just why is it that the data in the cited article finds 
> > the reality to be the opposite?   Specifically, that the
> > statistical trends are that higher education/higher income --->
> > more iPhone share.
> > 
> > The demographic data shows that Android is the choice for the less
> > educated & less affluent "cretins" (your term, not mine)....
> 
> That's interesting but I still don't believe that the iPhone is the
> platform for the smarter people. For the people who don't want to be
> bothered maybe but not the smarter people.

To what degree are smarter people smarter because they're better
at filtering out the BS minutia that's not worth their time?

Case in point:  it is trivially easy for me to do an oil change
on my car, but its been years since I've done one:  rather than 
to do it myself, I've chosen to delegate that task to the service 
technicians to go do.

Corollary:  an old MG joke is that the most powerful tool in
an MG owner's repair kit is ... a quarter, to make the phone
call for a tow truck.  

> >>> The hardware performance curve...
> > [...]
> > Some of this is also that it is easy for us to forget what our
> > previous products were like.
> > .... full order of magnitude slower than a 2015 device:
> > 
> > <https://browser.primatelabs.com/ios-benchmarks>
> 
> Interesting to hear, thank you.

A similar corollary on this is that "having more" will tend
to result in "doing more".  For example, turn back the clock
a couple of decades and the maximum capacity of a floppy 
disk was <1 Megabyte.  These days, we push around files
that are 10x larger without all that much thought about it.  

Case in point:  

1994:  Apple Quicktake 100 camera:  0.3 megapixels (MP) 
2004:  Canon 20D dSLR:  8.2 MP   
2014:  Canon 7D Mark II dSLR: 20.2 MP 

doing the technology change ratios, 

0.3 : 8.2 = 1:27
0.3 : 20.2 = 1:67
and
8.2 : 20.2 = 1:2.5

And that doesn't even address other factors such as 
bit depth, which functionally stack:

QT 100:  8-bit RGB
20D:  12-bit RGB   (+50%)
7Dmk2:  14-bit RGB (+75%; +17%)

8:12 = 1:1.5 (+50%)
8:14 = 1:1.75 (+75%)
and
12:14 = 1:1.17 (+17%)

Broadly speaking, the result has been that our data bandwidth
demand for a "mere photo" in the above examples has increased
by roughly two full orders of magnitude (67x * 1.75x = 117x)

-hh

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#373474 — Re: Once you've used a 4K IPS monitor, on a monitor arm...

Jeff-Relf.Me wrote:
> -hh wrote:
> > Once one drives faster stuff, its hard to go back.
> > Doesn't matter if we're talking smartphones, PCs, 
> > or automobiles. 
> 
> Once you've used a 4K IPS monitor, on a monitor arm,
> Logitech devices ( g600, g110, g35 ), VoIP.MS,
> TeraByte SSD's/ThumbDrives, Windows 10, Bria 4,
> an i7-5775c, a Fanless PowerSupply, etc. ...
> ... you won't want an iPhone.

Never intended to suggest otherwise for a desktop application.

But all of that stuff you listed is also just a tad too
ungainly for effortlessly carrying around in one's shirt pocket.

Particularly since one is also usually limited to however few 
100ft 110VAC extension cords one has laying around. 


-hh

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