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  Quotes from anti-Linux folks Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2016-04-28 15:11 -0700
    Re: Quotes from anti-Linux folks Fabian Russell <fb@zen.info> - 2016-04-28 22:36 +0000
      Re: Quotes from anti-Linux folks Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2016-04-28 15:59 -0700
      Re: Quotes from anti-Linux folks Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2016-04-29 11:15 +0100
        Re: Quotes from anti-Linux folks Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2016-04-29 10:25 -0700
        Re: Quotes from anti-Linux folks vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2016-04-29 17:52 +0000
    Quotes from Linux folks 7 <7@enemygadgets.com> - 2016-04-28 23:48 +0000
      Re: Quotes from Linux folks Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2016-04-28 16:04 -0700
        Re: Quotes from Linux folks 7 <7@enemygadgets.com> - 2016-04-29 00:35 +0000
          Re: Quotes from Linux folks Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2016-04-29 11:18 +0100
            Re: Quotes from Linux folks 7 <7@enemygadgets.com> - 2016-04-29 10:57 +0000
              Re: Quotes from Linux folks Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2016-04-29 12:15 +0100
    Re: Quotes from anti-Linux folks Me Sham <osirus47@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-28 16:48 -0700

#352543 — Quotes from anti-Linux folks

Sharing these same types of ideas in COLA gets one labeled a Linux hater by
the herd... so the following *must* be Linux haters... right?

  Linus Torvalds: 
    ----- 
    Any program is only as good as it is useful.
    ----- 
    I never felt that the naming issue was all that important,
    but I was obviously wrong, judging by how many people felt. I
    tell people to call it just plain Linux and nothing more.
    ----- 
    I'm generally a very pragmatic person: that which works,
    works. 
    ----- 
    In many cases, the user interface to a program is the most
    important part for a commercial company: whether the programs
    works correctly or not seems to be secondary.
    ----- 
    Microsoft isn't evil
    ----- 
    An infinite number of monkeys typing into GNU emacs would
    never make a good program.
    ----- 
    Anybody who tells me I can't use a program because it's not
    open source, go suck on rms. I'm not interested. 99% of that
    I run tends to be open source, but that's my choice, dammit.
    ----- 
    ... even if the Hurd didn't depend on Linux code (and as far
    as I know, it does, but since I think they have their design
    heads firmly up their *sses anyway with that whole
    microkernel thing, I've never felt it was worth my time even
    looking at their code), I don't believe a religiously
    motivated development community can ever generate as good
    code except by pure chance.
    ----- 
    Your problem has nothing to do with git, and everything to do
    with emacs. And then you have the gall to talk about "Unix
    design" and not gumming programs together, when you yourself
    use the most gummed-up piece of absolute sh*t there is!
    ----- 
    I may make jokes about Microsoft at times, but at the same
    time, I think the Microsoft hatred is a disease.
    ----- 
    There are "extremists" in the free software world, but that's
    one major reason why I don't call what I do "free software"
    any more. I don't want to be associated with the people for
    whom it's about exclusion and hatred.
    ----- 
    Let's put it this way: if you need to ask a lawyer whether
    what you do is "right" or not, you are morally corrupt. Let's
    not go there. We don't base our morality on law.
    ----- 

  Mark Shuttleworth:
    ----- 
    I think we don't yet deliver a good enough user experience. I
    think we deliver a user experience for people that have a
    reason to want to be on the Linux platform, either because of
    price or because of freedom. If that was your primary reason,
    Linux is the right answer.
    But if you are somebody who is not too concerned about price,
    who is not too concerned about freedom, I don't think we can
    say the Linux desktop offers the very best experience. And
    that's something we have to change, that's something I'm
    committed to work on, focusing increasing amounts of
    resources of Canonical on figuring out on how we actually
    move the desktop experience forward to compete with Mac OS X.
    ... 
    Second thing is, we just can't do this only on GNOME or just
    on KDE, we need to figure out on how to move the whole Linux
    desktop platform forward. I suspect if we hire a bunch of
    upstream developers they will be across both GNOME and KDE.
    I think the Apple guys have a very good point when they say
    we should let designers lead the definition of the user
    experience. 
    ----- 
    But I see the lack of consistency as both a weakness (GNOME,
    OpenOffice and Firefox all have different UI toolkits, and
    it¹s very difficult to make them seamless) and as a strength
    - people are free to innovate, and the results are
    world-leading. 
    -----     

  Jim Zemlin: 
    ----- 
    Yeah, their stuff's pretty good. [points at a MacBook Air]
    That's a pretty sweet laptop there. That's the difference. I
    get asked a lot, "Why does Apple get a bye?" from the open
    source guys. When you're downstairs I'm sure you'll see a lot
    more Macs. The reason why they get a bit more of a bye is
    because the stuff is really innovative. It's not the stuff
    where you say "Not only is it crap but..."
    ----- 
    I'll tell you who's great with the desktop market, it's those
    guys, Apple, with I think more than 20 per cent share. But if
    you look at things like the Kindle Fire, Android, the
    ChromeBook, at all the alternative means of accessing what's
    important and what you probably spend 90 per cent of your
    time doing, accessing the internet through a web browser,
    then I think there's plenty of room for a Linux desktop
    there. 
    ----- 
    > What's one application would you like to see for Linux
    > that doesn't exist currently?
    iTunes. And Microsoft Office.
    ----- 
    Open source is a development methodology, and choice is not
    guaranteed by a development methodology."
    ----- 
    One of the big things that's difficult is consistency, and
    that's Window's biggest strength.
    ----- 
    This certification lab will increase the number of Linux
    applications and ensure that Linux does not fragment.
    ----- 
    As the standards are provided and then adopted, the Linux
    desktop will snowball. Microsoft can compete with a Sun, a
    Red Hat or a Novell, but they won't be able to compete with
    an ecosystem of Linux desktops...
    ----- 
    What our standards will do is enable desktop application
    vendors to easily target the Linux ecosystem, not just a
    single vendor, to make sure they run across all the different
    distributions...
    ----- 
    [The new LSB desktop group will be dealing with more than
    just KDE and GNOME issues though. It will be dealing with]
    all issues dealing with interoperability, ... everyone at the
    table, and motivated to make the Linux desktop a success,
    everyone will be seeking a consensus. This may not [mean]
    making developers choose between KDE and GNOME, but instead
    finding a way to make it easier for ISVs to create
    applications that can easily work with both.
    ----- 

When I share my similar beliefs the herd thinks it means I am anti-Linux.
So how are the above people *not* "anti-Linux" for sharing similar ideas as
me? 



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#352552

On Thu, 28 Apr 2016 15:11:07 -0700, Snit wrote:

> Sharing these same types of ideas
>

Why are you even here?  Linux is not for you.  Linux requires
talent to make it work effectively, and you haven't got that
talent.

So get out.  Go to your thumb-sucker Microshit/Apple paradise.
No one wants to hear your BORING nonsensical drones about
illusory shortcomings.

You are a tiresome idiotic oaf.

Beat it.  Scram.  Vamoose.

In the real world you'd be tarred and feathered or probably
much worse.

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#352556

On 4/28/16, 3:36 PM, in article nfu39l02ujl@news3.newsguy.com, "Fabian
Russell" <fb@zen.info> wrote:

> On Thu, 28 Apr 2016 15:11:07 -0700, Snit wrote:
> 
>> Sharing these same types of ideas
>> 
> 
> Why 

If you cannot even quote an entire sentence of mine you do not deserve a
response of any sort. Still, I give you the gift of one. As far as your
comments below... you do not give ANY evidence of anything or really make
any points. Not interested.


> are you even here?  Linux is not for you.  Linux requires
> talent to make it work effectively, and you haven't got that
> talent.
> 
> So get out.  Go to your thumb-sucker Microshit/Apple paradise.
> No one wants to hear your BORING nonsensical drones about
> illusory shortcomings.
> 
> You are a tiresome idiotic oaf.
> 
> Beat it.  Scram.  Vamoose.
> 
> In the real world you'd be tarred and feathered or probably
> much worse.
> 



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* OS X / Linux: What is a file?     <http://youtu.be/_dMbXGLW9PI>
* Mint MATE Trash, Panel, Menu:     <http://youtu.be/C0y74FIf7uE>
* Mint KDE working with folders:    <http://youtu.be/7C9nvniOoE0>
* Mint KDE creating files:          <http://youtu.be/N7-fZJaJUv8>
* Mint KDE help:                    <http://youtu.be/3ikizUd3sa8>
* Mint KDE general navigation:      <http://youtu.be/t9y14yZtQuI>
* Mint KDE bugs or Easter eggs?     <http://youtu.be/CU-whJQvtfA>
* Easy on OS X / Hard on Linux:     <http://youtu.be/D3BPWANQoIk>
* OS / Word Processor Comparison:   <http://youtu.be/w6Qcl-w7s5c>

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#352633

On 28/04/2016 23:36, Fabian Russell wrote:
> On Thu, 28 Apr 2016 15:11:07 -0700, Snit wrote:
>
>> Sharing these same types of ideas
>>
>
> Why are you even here?  Linux is not for you.  Linux requires
> talent to make it work effectively, and you haven't got that
> talent.

So it's a really hard and difficult OS to use? No wonder it's only on 
supercomputers, web servers, hidden in embedded devices and completely 
useless and impotent on the desktop.

You really don't get how Linux advocacy is supposed to work do you?

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#352691

On 4/29/16, 3:15 AM, in article nfvc1k$n8n$2@deskrabbit.motzarella.org,
"Desk Rabbit" <me@example.com> wrote:

> On 28/04/2016 23:36, Fabian Russell wrote:
>> On Thu, 28 Apr 2016 15:11:07 -0700, Snit wrote:
>> 
>>> Sharing these same types of ideas
>>> 
>> 
>> Why are you even here?  Linux is not for you.  Linux requires
>> talent to make it work effectively, and you haven't got that
>> talent.
> 
> So it's a really hard and difficult OS to use? No wonder it's only on
> supercomputers, web servers, hidden in embedded devices and completely
> useless and impotent on the desktop.
> 
> You really don't get how Linux advocacy is supposed to work do you?

Exactly... the "advocates" pretend those of us whom use Linux and know its
weaknesses are wrong, yet they "promote" Linux by noting we are right.


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* Mint KDE working with folders:    <http://youtu.be/7C9nvniOoE0>
* Mint KDE creating files:          <http://youtu.be/N7-fZJaJUv8>
* Mint KDE help:                    <http://youtu.be/3ikizUd3sa8>
* Mint KDE general navigation:      <http://youtu.be/t9y14yZtQuI>
* Mint KDE bugs or Easter eggs?     <http://youtu.be/CU-whJQvtfA>
* Easy on OS X / Hard on Linux:     <http://youtu.be/D3BPWANQoIk>
* OS / Word Processor Comparison:   <http://youtu.be/w6Qcl-w7s5c>

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#352706

On Fri, 29 Apr 2016 11:15:32 +0100, Desk Rabbit wrote:

> On 28/04/2016 23:36, Fabian Russell wrote:
>> On Thu, 28 Apr 2016 15:11:07 -0700, Snit wrote:
>>
>>> Sharing these same types of ideas
>>>
>>>
>> Why are you even here?  Linux is not for you.  Linux requires talent to
>> make it work effectively, and you haven't got that talent.
> 
> So it's a really hard and difficult OS to use? No wonder it's only on
> supercomputers, web servers, hidden in embedded devices and completely
> useless and impotent on the desktop.
> 
> You really don't get how Linux advocacy is supposed to work do you?

You haven't figured out that he's a troll yet?

I can't believe that...which means you're being disingenuous.

-- 
 -v
"Desktops, workstations and servers are and Microsoft
is doing very well. AS well as Linux." -"Slimer"

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#352554 — Quotes from Linux folks

Snit wrote:

> Sharing 

Avoid the negativity troll.

I share with you how to make money from Linux:


Making money with Linux
-----------------------

The whole idea of making money with Linux has always been you can set up 
your own distros and own markets add content and charge what you want.

You don't need permission from anyone.

Evidently google and many other companies are adept at it.
They have put Linux into their server farms and their smartphones,
streaming sticks, laptops. If google made routers, IPWebcams, audio, cameras
(which exist with Android), with Linux then they will be immensely 
successful with it again because Linux makes tons of money
for everyone who invest their time.

Google already exceeded Appil valuation twice this year
to become the most valuable company in the world using
Linux. Its sensible to switch to Linux.
And its looking like Linux has taken half of Appil's
lunch these 2 quarters. Sales are down 50% and orders for
supplies are down 30% with inventory pile up.

So Linux has great rewards for all those
who use it and expand their products with Linux
embedded inside. Those who stick with proprietary 
continue to loose market share.

Most new ARM PC board makers start with Linux
as their distro of choice and do kickstarter
funding. There is so much demand for innovative
stuff now and Linux is free, that no one
needs to look left or look right to get to market.

In China, maker fares and seed companies seem to have merged
into one hot housing ideas factory where products
are born by the hour and turn into large companies
in days with Linux to power their gadgets.

This is where Europe should be going.
Set up large fairly open space offices in large hanger
for makers and seed companies to rent space 
at minimalist price so that they can make
and sell products to visitors, to each other,
and once a day or so, a new product will be born
suitable for crowd funding, which raises
enough money to pay all the taxes for this
kind of funding and hot housing to take place.

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#352557 — Re: Quotes from Linux folks

On 4/28/16, 4:48 PM, in article dofiadFoeg0U1@mid.individual.net, "7"
<7@enemygadgets.com> wrote:

> Snit wrote:
> 
>> Sharing these same types of ideas in COLA gets one labeled a Linux hater by
>> the herd... so the following *must* be Linux haters... right?
>> 
>>   Linus Torvalds:
>>     ----- 
... 
>> 
>>   Mark Shuttleworth:
... 
>> 
>>   Jim Zemlin: 
... 
>> 
>> When I share my similar beliefs the herd thinks it means I am anti-Linux.
>> So how are the above people *not* "anti-Linux" for sharing similar ideas as
>> me? 
> 
> Avoid the negativity troll.

For crying out loud... you think Torvalds, Shuttleworth, and Zemlin are
negative trolls!

Insane. Really... please look up who they are. LOL!


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* OS X / Linux: What is a file?     <http://youtu.be/_dMbXGLW9PI>
* Mint MATE Trash, Panel, Menu:     <http://youtu.be/C0y74FIf7uE>
* Mint KDE working with folders:    <http://youtu.be/7C9nvniOoE0>
* Mint KDE creating files:          <http://youtu.be/N7-fZJaJUv8>
* Mint KDE help:                    <http://youtu.be/3ikizUd3sa8>
* Mint KDE general navigation:      <http://youtu.be/t9y14yZtQuI>
* Mint KDE bugs or Easter eggs?     <http://youtu.be/CU-whJQvtfA>
* Easy on OS X / Hard on Linux:     <http://youtu.be/D3BPWANQoIk>
* OS / Word Processor Comparison:   <http://youtu.be/w6Qcl-w7s5c>

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#352562 — Re: Quotes from Linux folks

Snit wrote:


>>> When I share my similar beliefs the herd thinks it means I am
>>> anti-Linux. So how are the above people *not* "anti-Linux" for sharing
>>> similar ideas as me?
>> 
>> Avoid the negativity troll.
> 
> For crying out loud..

Stop crying and do as you are told for once!

Avoid the negativity troll.

I share with you how to make money from Linux:



Making money with Linux
-----------------------

The whole idea of making money with Linux has always been you can set up 
your own distros and own markets add content and charge what you want.

You don't need permission from anyone.

Evidently google and many other companies are adept at it.
They have put Linux into their server farms and their smartphones,
streaming sticks, laptops. If google made routers, IPWebcams, audio, cameras
(which exist with Android), with Linux then they will be immensely 
successful with it again because Linux makes tons of money
for everyone who invest their time.

Google already exceeded Appil valuation twice this year
to become the most valuable company in the world using
Linux. Its sensible to switch to Linux.
And its looking like Linux has taken half of Appil's
lunch these 2 quarters. Sales are down 50% and orders for
supplies are down 30% with inventory pile up.

So Linux has great rewards for all those
who use it and expand their products with Linux
embedded inside. Those who stick with proprietary 
continue to loose market share.

Most new ARM PC board makers start with Linux
as their distro of choice and do kickstarter
funding. There is so much demand for innovative
stuff now and Linux is free, that no one
needs to look left or look right to get to market.

In China, maker fares and seed companies seem to have merged
into one hot housing ideas factory where products
are born by the hour and turn into large companies
in days with Linux to power their gadgets.

This is where Europe should be going.
Set up large fairly open space offices in large hanger
for makers and seed companies to rent space 
at minimalist price so that they can make
and sell products to visitors, to each other,
and once a day or so, a new product will be born
suitable for crowd funding, which raises
enough money to pay all the taxes for this
kind of funding and hot housing to take place.

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#352634 — Re: Quotes from Linux folks

On 29/04/2016 01:35, 7 wrote:

> In China, maker fares and seed companies seem to have merged
> into one hot housing ideas factory where products
> are born by the hour and turn into large companies
> in days with Linux to power their gadgets.

Still looking for some evidence of this from you. You found a few same 
old same old crowd funded projects but nothing to back up your wild claim.

Why do you continue to make "facts" up?

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#352638 — Re: Quotes from Linux folks

Desk Rabbit wrote:

 
>> In China, maker fares and seed companies seem to have merged
>> into one hot housing ideas factory where products
>> are born by the hour and turn into large companies
>> in days with Linux to power their gadgets.
> 
> Still looking 

microshat appil trolls still looking?

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#352642 — Re: Quotes from Linux folks

On 29/04/2016 11:57, 7 wrote:
> Desk Rabbit wrote:
>
>
>>> In China, maker fares and seed companies seem to have merged
>>> into one hot housing ideas factory where products
>>> are born by the hour and turn into large companies
>>> in days with Linux to power their gadgets.
>>
>> Still looking
>
> microshat appil trolls still looking?
>
>

Yup still looking for you to back up your claim. Here's the post again

----------------------------
Still looking for some evidence of this from you. You found a few same 
old same old crowd funded projects but nothing to back up your wild claim.

Why do you continue to make "facts" up?
----------------------------

Just provide your link to the data to back up your claim or just admit 
you are making stuff up to suit your agenda.

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#352566

The Linux community would be so much more pleasant if they listened to Linus Torvalds more.

But no, instead they all gravitate towards GNU and the disgusting Richard Stallman with his extremist software religion.

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