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| Started by | Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
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| First post | 2016-04-22 23:02 -0700 |
| Last post | 2016-04-25 10:21 -0700 |
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A short take on my view of Linux / OSS Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2016-04-22 23:02 -0700
WPF? 7 <7@enemygadgets.com> - 2016-04-23 07:58 +0000
Re: A short take on my view of Linux / OSS Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2016-04-23 12:33 +0200
Re: A short take on my view of Linux / OSS Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2016-04-23 08:07 -0700
Re: A short take on my view of Linux / OSS Fabian Russell <fb@zen.info> - 2016-04-23 13:05 +0000
Who needs a roomful of monkeys banging on a keyboard, when you have Snit? John Gohde <john.h.gohde@gmail.com> - 2016-04-23 07:50 -0700
Re: Who needs a roomful of monkeys banging on a keyboard, when you have Snit? Richard King <kingsley651@webby.org> - 2016-04-23 10:52 -0400
Re: Who needs a roomful of monkeys banging on a keyboard, when you have Snit? Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2016-04-23 16:53 +0200
Re: Who needs a roomful of monkeys banging on a keyboard, when you have Snit? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2016-04-23 08:08 -0700
Re: Who needs a roomful of monkeys banging on a keyboard, when you have Snit? Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2016-04-23 08:14 -0700
Re: Who needs a roomful of monkeys banging on a keyboard, when you have Snit? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2016-04-24 08:10 -0700
Re: Who needs a roomful of monkeys banging on a keyboard, when you have Snit? chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2016-04-25 07:57 -0500
Re: Who needs a roomful of monkeys banging on a keyboard, when you have Snit? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2016-04-25 10:14 -0700
Re: Who needs a roomful of monkeys banging on a keyboard, when you have Snit? Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2016-04-25 10:53 -0700
Re: Who needs a roomful of monkeys banging on a keyboard, when you have Snit? Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2016-04-25 22:28 +0200
Re: Who needs a roomful of monkeys banging on a keyboard, when you have Snit? chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2016-04-26 07:31 -0500
Re: Who needs a roomful of monkeys banging on a keyboard, when you have Snit? Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2016-04-26 07:09 -0700
Re: A short take on my view of Linux / OSS Fabian Russell <fb@zen.info> - 2016-04-24 15:10 +0000
Re: A short take on my view of Linux / OSS Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2016-04-24 09:24 -0700
Re: A short take on my view of Linux / OSS Fabian Russell <fb@zen.info> - 2016-04-24 20:37 +0000
Re: A short take on my view of Linux / OSS Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2016-04-24 14:00 -0700
Re: A short take on my view of Linux / OSS Fabian Russell <fb@zen.info> - 2016-04-24 23:01 +0000
Re: A short take on my view of Linux / OSS owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2016-04-24 23:10 +0000
Re: A short take on my view of Linux / OSS Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2016-04-24 23:34 +0000
Re: A short take on my view of Linux / OSS owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2016-04-25 00:50 +0000
Re: A short take on my view of Linux / OSS Fabian Russell <fb@zen.info> - 2016-04-25 01:54 +0000
Re: A short take on my view of Linux / OSS owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2016-04-25 04:17 +0000
Re: A short take on my view of Linux / OSS Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2016-04-24 21:33 -0700
Re: A short take on my view of Linux / OSS Fabian Russell <fb@zen.info> - 2016-04-25 09:01 +0000
Re: A short take on my view of Linux / OSS Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2016-04-25 10:18 -0700
Re: A short take on my view of Linux / OSS Fabian Russell <fb@zen.info> - 2016-04-25 22:29 +0000
Re: A short take on my view of Linux / OSS Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2016-04-25 16:28 -0700
Re: A short take on my view of Linux / OSS DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-04-25 21:27 -0400
Re: A short take on my view of Linux / OSS Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2016-04-25 18:34 -0700
Re: A short take on my view of Linux / OSS Fabian Russell <fb@zen.info> - 2016-04-26 09:20 +0000
Re: A short take on my view of Linux / OSS Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2016-04-26 07:05 -0700
Re: A short take on my view of Linux / OSS Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2016-04-26 11:54 -0700
Re: A short take on my view of Linux / OSS DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-04-26 13:24 -0400
Re: A short take on my view of Linux / OSS Fabian Russell <fb@zen.info> - 2016-04-26 22:30 +0000
Re: A short take on my view of Linux / OSS Fabian Russell <fb@zen.info> - 2016-04-26 22:45 +0000
Re: A short take on my view of Linux / OSS DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-04-26 20:53 -0400
Re: A short take on my view of Linux / OSS Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2016-04-26 18:06 -0700
Re: A short take on my view of Linux / OSS Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2016-04-27 03:21 +0200
Re: A short take on my view of Linux / OSS Fabian Russell <fb@zen.info> - 2016-04-27 10:44 +0000
Re: A short take on my view of Linux / OSS Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2016-04-27 12:49 +0200
Re: A short take on my view of Linux / OSS Fabian Russell <fb@zen.info> - 2016-04-27 22:14 +0000
Re: A short take on my view of Linux / OSS Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2016-04-28 00:27 +0200
Re: A short take on my view of Linux / OSS Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2016-04-26 11:52 -0700
Re: A short take on my view of Linux / OSS Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2016-04-24 18:00 -0700
Re: A short take on my view of Linux / OSS Fabian Russell <fb@zen.info> - 2016-04-25 01:41 +0000
Re: A short take on my view of Linux / OSS Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2016-04-24 19:18 -0700
Re: A short take on my view of Linux / OSS Fabian Russell <fb@zen.info> - 2016-04-25 10:32 +0000
Re: A short take on my view of Linux / OSS Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2016-04-25 10:49 -0700
Re: A short take on my view of Linux / OSS Fabian Russell <fb@zen.info> - 2016-04-25 10:26 +0000
Re: A short take on my view of Linux / OSS DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-04-25 09:07 -0400
Re: A short take on my view of Linux / OSS Fabian Russell <fb@zen.info> - 2016-04-25 22:31 +0000
Re: A short take on my view of Linux / OSS DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-04-25 21:41 -0400
Re: A short take on my view of Linux / OSS Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2016-04-26 11:54 -0700
Re: A short take on my view of Linux / OSS Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2016-04-27 00:39 +0200
Re: A short take on my view of Linux / OSS Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2016-04-26 18:15 -0700
Re: A short take on my view of Linux / OSS vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2016-04-27 02:42 +0000
Re: A short take on my view of Linux / OSS Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2016-04-25 10:21 -0700
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| From | Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
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| Date | 2016-04-24 14:00 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <D3428208.70CF9%usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
| In reply to | #351661 |
On 4/24/16, 1:37 PM, in article nfjaqg115ph@news6.newsguy.com, "Fabian Russell" <fb@zen.info> wrote: > On Sun, 24 Apr 2016 09:24:19 -0700, Snit wrote: > >> >> But my point is about what *IS*, not what *COULD* be. >> > > Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha! > > After a tiresome spiel about the possibility of various desktop groups > working together to produce a better GUI, you then quickly wave off > my assertion of software vendor incompetence with this ridiculous > excuse. Oh, BOTH are issues: * The UI is not done well... not created as a system. * Failure to entice developers. We can point fingers all we want, but the reality is both of these are significant issues and limit choice on Desktop Linux. >> I noted that Linux could group to be this! It could lead to more >> choice and flexibility. > > I must remind you that Linux is a particular brand of the Unix operating > system, and Unix was initially created to service computer scientists > and other knowledgeable professionals. The market for Unix is NOT > a market of dummies. One: it is Unix-like, not a UNIX. But whatever your excuse the fact is it does not compete well. > I do not perceive the faults with Linux which you imply, most probably > because such faults do not exist. I do not doubt you fail to see these things... but even if you did would you admit it? In general though Desktop Linux users do not know much about UI issues and fail to see how the failures on Linux impact their productivity, efficiency, and error-reduction. I would love to see you show some tasks you do... some relatively common desktop tasks, though they need not be mundane. We can compare these with how these same tasks are done on the competition... and hopefully find examples where Linux shines. If you are looking for some tasks you can take on some of the ones I (and Owl in one case) suggested. His is not actually that common, but it was an interesting exercise.... so I dove in and did it. It was fun for me. :) * From a single online recipe (or art project, lesson plan, whatever) save it and email a PDF version where you add notes to it. Now I know this can be done on Linux; save, open, edit, email. Just curious to see how you people would generally do it and how streamlined the workflow would be. A couple ways I might: <https://youtu.be/NPM_WldEBs0>. * Make a video, as Owl and I have been, but with cursor replacement / resizing (post production), window highlighting, zooming, arbitrary area highlighting. For me these were done just to show something else: <https://youtu.be/aSNpnYpmKag>. I have many other options but picked these because they fit the real-world example I did shortly before coming up with the "challenge". * Getting a WayBackArchive page and getting images of all links, the HTML validation and CSS validation from W3.org, and a active link to the archive page, as I did here (does not have to look the exact same, of course): <http://tmp.gallopinginsanity.com/sandman/sandman-archive.pdf>. * Download as PDFs all the recipes from the homepage of allrecipes.com (Owl is the one who suggested this). I did several versions... here is one: <https://youtu.be/_J4PppWroWY>. Mine not only worked, but the PDF had selectable text and allowed me to do quick searches on ingredients and the like... something Owl was never able to do on Linux. Worked so well that he and Peter Köhlmann insisted it must have been faked. > But your perspective is that of a person devoid of education and > training into computer fundamentals. You simply do not understand > what is happening inside a computer and therefore you cannot effect > any great productivity. Therefore you require some tremendous layer > of abstraction to assist you in what you merely believe is the correct > approach. This has literally NOTHING to do with my view. Actually, a well designed UI helps an experienced person more than it helps a new user (though it helps them as well). > My view is that the purpose of GNU/Linux is NOT to provide such > a useless layer, and my advice is to go elsewhere if you seek one. Again: NOTHING to do with what I am talking about. I am speaking of ways to improve productivity, efficiency, and error-reduction... for experienced users and new. >> And yet Desktop Linux is failing to attack any but a tiny sliver of users. > > There are many commercial packages that have been ported to Linux, > but such packages are almost always highly specialized software for > sophisticated scientific and engineering applications. That was, > and remains, the traditional Unix market. > > Junk applications, like word processors, spreadsheets, and > image organizers tend to stay in the Microshit Windows world > and that's exactly where they belong. Ah, so you are not saying desktop Linux competes well with other desktop solutions. OK. You think it works well elsewhere - which I agree with. > The bottom line is this: > > I know what I am doing, and I can make my GNU/Linux system beat > the living fuck out of any commercial competitor in any realistic > computing scenario -- and I don't mean transplanting heads from > beautiful women to ugly bimbos using Photoshop. Would love to see you show it. Keep in mind, as I prove above, I am happy to do so. And I do so well. But maybe you can take on one or more of those tasks and show how Linux handles them better. That would be GREAT! -- * OS X / Linux: What is a file? <http://youtu.be/_dMbXGLW9PI> * Mint MATE Trash, Panel, Menu: <http://youtu.be/C0y74FIf7uE> * Mint KDE working with folders: <http://youtu.be/7C9nvniOoE0> * Mint KDE creating files: <http://youtu.be/N7-fZJaJUv8> * Mint KDE help: <http://youtu.be/3ikizUd3sa8> * Mint KDE general navigation: <http://youtu.be/t9y14yZtQuI> * Mint KDE bugs or Easter eggs? <http://youtu.be/CU-whJQvtfA> * Easy on OS X / Hard on Linux: <http://youtu.be/D3BPWANQoIk> * OS / Word Processor Comparison: <http://youtu.be/w6Qcl-w7s5c>
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| From | Fabian Russell <fb@zen.info> |
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| Date | 2016-04-24 23:01 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <nfjj7t01cgv@news1.newsguy.com> |
| In reply to | #351663 |
On Sun, 24 Apr 2016 14:00:40 -0700, Snit wrote: > > We can point fingers all we want, but the reality is both of these are > significant issues and limit choice on Desktop Linux. > There is one way to completely solve all the supposed Linux problems and that is for people like you to get the fuck out. Go away. You don't belong here. No GNU/Linux user wants to hear your nonsense. Get out. Stay out. Don't come back. ============== My next project with GNU/Linux is to digitize some of my paper books. I am not going shopping for suitable software. I am going to employ basic GNU/Linux tools to build a scanning and possible OCR translation system. I will just feed paper into my scanner and the pages will be assembled into a digital PDF either as images or as translated text or possibly both. When I am finished, no commercial package will be able to compete with the quality. Yes, quality. I've encountered plenty of digitized books and the quality is terrible. But not my system.
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| From | owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> |
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| Date | 2016-04-24 23:10 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <ghjdow03.aefa@rooftop.invalid> |
| In reply to | #351675 |
Fabian Russell <fb@zen.info> wrote: > On Sun, 24 Apr 2016 14:00:40 -0700, Snit wrote: > >> >> We can point fingers all we want, but the reality is both of these are >> significant issues and limit choice on Desktop Linux. >> > > There is one way to completely solve all the supposed Linux > problems and that is for people like you to get the fuck out. > > Go away. You don't belong here. No GNU/Linux user wants to > hear your nonsense. Get out. Stay out. Don't come back. > > > ============== > > My next project with GNU/Linux is to digitize some of my > paper books. > > I am not going shopping for suitable software. I am going > to employ basic GNU/Linux tools to build a scanning and > possible OCR translation system. > > I will just feed paper into my scanner and the pages will > be assembled into a digital PDF either as images or as > translated text or possibly both. > > When I am finished, no commercial package will be able > to compete with the quality. > > Yes, quality. I've encountered plenty of digitized books > and the quality is terrible. > > But not my system. > Hopefully this is a flatbed scanner and you are not literally going to "feed the pages into" your scanner. Still, sounds like a moronic waste of time even if you aren't destroying your books in the process.
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| From | Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-04-24 23:34 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <do53ffFcfe4U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #351676 |
On Sun, 24 Apr 2016 23:10:32 +0000, owl wrote: > Fabian Russell <fb@zen.info> wrote: >> On Sun, 24 Apr 2016 14:00:40 -0700, Snit wrote: >> >> >>> We can point fingers all we want, but the reality is both of these are >>> significant issues and limit choice on Desktop Linux. >>> >>> >> There is one way to completely solve all the supposed Linux problems >> and that is for people like you to get the fuck out. >> >> Go away. You don't belong here. No GNU/Linux user wants to hear your >> nonsense. Get out. Stay out. Don't come back. >> >> >> ============== >> >> My next project with GNU/Linux is to digitize some of my paper books. >> >> I am not going shopping for suitable software. I am going to employ >> basic GNU/Linux tools to build a scanning and possible OCR translation >> system. >> >> I will just feed paper into my scanner and the pages will be assembled >> into a digital PDF either as images or as translated text or possibly >> both. >> >> When I am finished, no commercial package will be able to compete with >> the quality. >> >> Yes, quality. I've encountered plenty of digitized books and the >> quality is terrible. >> >> But not my system. >> >> > Hopefully this is a flatbed scanner and you are not literally going to > "feed the pages into" your scanner. Still, sounds like a moronic waste > of time even if you aren't destroying your books in the process. You would expect something non-moronic from Fabian? :) -- Lloyd
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| From | owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> |
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| Date | 2016-04-25 00:50 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <ghjdi003af.3@rooftop.invalid> |
| In reply to | #351681 |
Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> wrote: > On Sun, 24 Apr 2016 23:10:32 +0000, owl wrote: > >> Fabian Russell <fb@zen.info> wrote: >>> On Sun, 24 Apr 2016 14:00:40 -0700, Snit wrote: >>> >>> >>>> We can point fingers all we want, but the reality is both of these are >>>> significant issues and limit choice on Desktop Linux. >>>> >>>> >>> There is one way to completely solve all the supposed Linux problems >>> and that is for people like you to get the fuck out. >>> >>> Go away. You don't belong here. No GNU/Linux user wants to hear your >>> nonsense. Get out. Stay out. Don't come back. >>> >>> >>> ============== >>> >>> My next project with GNU/Linux is to digitize some of my paper books. >>> >>> I am not going shopping for suitable software. I am going to employ >>> basic GNU/Linux tools to build a scanning and possible OCR translation >>> system. >>> >>> I will just feed paper into my scanner and the pages will be assembled >>> into a digital PDF either as images or as translated text or possibly >>> both. >>> >>> When I am finished, no commercial package will be able to compete with >>> the quality. >>> >>> Yes, quality. I've encountered plenty of digitized books and the >>> quality is terrible. >>> >>> But not my system. >>> >>> >> Hopefully this is a flatbed scanner and you are not literally going to >> "feed the pages into" your scanner. Still, sounds like a moronic waste >> of time even if you aren't destroying your books in the process. > > You would expect something non-moronic from Fabian? :) > A more sensible approach... http://www.diybookscanner.org/
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| From | Fabian Russell <fb@zen.info> |
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| Date | 2016-04-25 01:54 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <nfjtdj11hjg@news1.newsguy.com> |
| In reply to | #351676 |
On Sun, 24 Apr 2016 23:10:32 +0000, owl wrote: > Still, sounds > like a moronic waste of time even if you aren't destroying > your books in the process. > To a fucking moron everything sounds moronic. These are old and yellowing paperbacks that are slowly being destroyed anyway. The best way to preserve these irreplaceable volumes is to digitize them. I can scan six pages at a time and then slice up the files into six separate pages. What scanner could do that? None. Also, my GNU/Linux descreening and other image processing tools beat anything that is commercially available. Now go back to listening to a moronic world, moron.
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| From | owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> |
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| Date | 2016-04-25 04:17 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <fhja03.af4@rooftop.invalid> |
| In reply to | #351697 |
Fabian Russell <fb@zen.info> wrote: > On Sun, 24 Apr 2016 23:10:32 +0000, owl wrote: > >> Still, sounds >> like a moronic waste of time even if you aren't destroying >> your books in the process. >> > > To a fucking moron everything sounds moronic. > > These are old and yellowing paperbacks that are slowly > being destroyed anyway. The best way to preserve these > irreplaceable volumes is to digitize them. > If they're irreplaceable, why are you destroying them? Why not just observe proper book preservation protocols? Or are you just a hoarder running out of space? > I can scan six pages at a time and then slice up the > files into six separate pages. What scanner could > do that? None. > So you're scanning them without a scanner? How does that work exactly? > Also, my GNU/Linux descreening and other image processing tools > beat anything that is commercially available. > > Now go back to listening to a moronic world, moron. > Get back in the attic. You've got tons of work to do.
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| From | Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
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| Date | 2016-04-24 21:33 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <D342EC23.70D57%usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
| In reply to | #351705 |
On 4/24/16, 9:17 PM, in article fhja03.af4@rooftop.invalid, "owl" <owl@rooftop.invalid> wrote: ... >> I can scan six pages at a time and then slice up the >> files into six separate pages. What scanner could >> do that? None. > > So you're scanning them without a scanner? How does that > work exactly? Yeah, I had that question, too. What the hell is he even trying to say? Seems he wants to be able to combine PDFs and thinks this is something amazingly awesome. When it was noted how mundane this is he started making things up. But if he has something cool to show, even just a cool workflow, I would love to see it. ... -- * OS X / Linux: What is a file? <http://youtu.be/_dMbXGLW9PI> * Mint MATE Trash, Panel, Menu: <http://youtu.be/C0y74FIf7uE> * Mint KDE working with folders: <http://youtu.be/7C9nvniOoE0> * Mint KDE creating files: <http://youtu.be/N7-fZJaJUv8> * Mint KDE help: <http://youtu.be/3ikizUd3sa8> * Mint KDE general navigation: <http://youtu.be/t9y14yZtQuI> * Mint KDE bugs or Easter eggs? <http://youtu.be/CU-whJQvtfA> * Easy on OS X / Hard on Linux: <http://youtu.be/D3BPWANQoIk> * OS / Word Processor Comparison: <http://youtu.be/w6Qcl-w7s5c>
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| From | Fabian Russell <fb@zen.info> |
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| Date | 2016-04-25 09:01 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <nfkmdd01ubd@news1.newsguy.com> |
| In reply to | #351706 |
On Sun, 24 Apr 2016 21:33:23 -0700, Snit wrote: > > But if he has something cool to show, even just a cool workflow, I would > love to see it. > That's your primary motivation for computing. It has to be "cool" or it is not worthwhile. That's why you find fault with GNU/Linux, because the available GUIs are just not "cool" enough. Well, fuck you. There is NO problem with GNU/Linux. The only problem is YOU. So get the fuck out of here and take your raging incompetence back to your fop Apple universe where everything has that acceptable "coolness." Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha! What a lame fucking loser! Cool? I'd say it's more like intellectual frigidity. Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha! Get out. Beat it. Scram. Vamoose. Hit the road. Go far away. Don't come back. No one wants your meaningless criticisms. You are a mental cripple.
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| From | Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
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| Date | 2016-04-25 10:18 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <D3439F7D.70DE0%usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
| In reply to | #351715 |
On 4/25/16, 2:01 AM, in article nfkmdd01ubd@news1.newsguy.com, "Fabian Russell" <fb@zen.info> wrote: > On Sun, 24 Apr 2016 21:33:23 -0700, Snit wrote: > >> >> But if he has something cool to show, even just a cool workflow, I would >> love to see it. >> > > That's your primary motivation for computing. It has to be "cool" > or it is not worthwhile. Cool as in promoting productivity, efficiency, and error-reduction. I suppose. Yes, if you can show something that promotes productivity, efficiency, and error-reduction I would love to see it. > That's why you find fault with GNU/Linux, because the available GUIs > are just not "cool" enough. They do not promote productivity, efficiency, and error-reduction. Agreed. > Well, fuck you. > > There is NO problem with GNU/Linux. The only problem is YOU. If you think there is no problem, then show where it promotes productivity, efficiency, and error-reduction. Would love to see it! > So get the fuck out of here and take your raging incompetence back > to your fop Apple universe where everything has that acceptable > "coolness." > > Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha! What a lame fucking loser! > > Cool? I'd say it's more like intellectual frigidity. So to you promoting productivity, efficiency, and error-reduction is somehow a sign of "intellectual frigidity"? WTF? > Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha! > > Get out. Beat it. Scram. Vamoose. Hit the road. Go far away. > Don't come back. No one wants your meaningless criticisms. > You are a mental cripple. Comes down to you were challenged to show where Linux promotes productivity, efficiency, and error-reduction... and you failed. -- * OS X / Linux: What is a file? <http://youtu.be/_dMbXGLW9PI> * Mint MATE Trash, Panel, Menu: <http://youtu.be/C0y74FIf7uE> * Mint KDE working with folders: <http://youtu.be/7C9nvniOoE0> * Mint KDE creating files: <http://youtu.be/N7-fZJaJUv8> * Mint KDE help: <http://youtu.be/3ikizUd3sa8> * Mint KDE general navigation: <http://youtu.be/t9y14yZtQuI> * Mint KDE bugs or Easter eggs? <http://youtu.be/CU-whJQvtfA> * Easy on OS X / Hard on Linux: <http://youtu.be/D3BPWANQoIk> * OS / Word Processor Comparison: <http://youtu.be/w6Qcl-w7s5c>
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| From | Fabian Russell <fb@zen.info> |
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| Date | 2016-04-25 22:29 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <nfm5or02bpl@news3.newsguy.com> |
| In reply to | #351781 |
On Mon, 25 Apr 2016 10:18:37 -0700, Snit wrote:
>
> {...] promotes productivity, efficiency, and error-reduction
>
> (repeated SIX fucking times)
>
Any problems within GNU/Linux are only the false perceptions of feeble-minded
cretins.
YOU are a feeble-minded cretin.
You blame GNU/Linux for your inability to be productive and efficient.
Ha, ha, ha! You are but a very poor craftsman who places the blame
for his poor craftsmanship on his tools.
I'm so sorry, but tools have nothing whatsoever to do with competency.
I can be extremely productive and efficient with Microshit Windows and
I can be extremely productive and efficient with GNU/Linux. The system
makes no difference whatsoever to my productivity and efficiency.
But for you it DOES make a difference, because you are unproductive and
inefficient in spite of ANY system.
I can be extremely productuctive and efficient anywhere but I choose
GNU/Linux exclusively because GNU/Linux is a system that is made
from the ground up for skilled programmers.
You employ Microshit/Apple and you merely BELIEVE that you are productive
and efficient, but a close inspection of your output, and your overall
understanding, would likely reveal otherwise.
You fool no one but yourself.
There are NO problems within GNU/Linux. The only problem is YOU.
There are NO problems within GNU/Linux. The only problem is YOU.
There are NO problems within GNU/Linux. The only problem is YOU.
There are NO problems within GNU/Linux. The only problem is YOU.
THERE ARE _NO_ FUCKING PROBLEMS WITH GNU/LINUX!!! THE ONLY FUCKING
PROBLEM IS _YOU_!!!
Fucking incompetent cretin.
Now watch as this pathetic fool tries to save face.
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| From | Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
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| Date | 2016-04-25 16:28 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <D343F629.70E9C%usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
| In reply to | #351839 |
On 4/25/16, 3:29 PM, in article nfm5or02bpl@news3.newsguy.com, "Fabian Russell" <fb@zen.info> wrote: > On Mon, 25 Apr 2016 10:18:37 -0700, Snit wrote: > >>> That's your primary motivation for computing. It has to be "cool" or it is >>> not worthwhile. >>> >> Cool as in promoting productivity, efficiency, and error-reduction. I >> suppose. >> >> Yes, if you can show something that promotes productivity, efficiency, and >> error-reduction I would love to see it. >> >>> That's why you find fault with GNU/Linux, because the available GUIs are >>> just not "cool" enough. >>> >> They do not promote productivity, efficiency, and error-reduction. Agreed. >> >>> Well, fuck you. >>> >>> There is NO problem with GNU/Linux. The only problem is YOU. >>> >> If you think there is no problem, then show where it promotes productivity, >> efficiency, and error-reduction. Would love to see it! >> >>> So get the fuck out of here and take your raging incompetence back to your >>> fop Apple universe where everything has that acceptable "coolness." >>> >>> Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha! What a lame fucking loser! >>> >>> Cool? I'd say it's more like intellectual frigidity. >>> >> So to you promoting productivity, efficiency, and error-reduction is somehow >> a sign of "intellectual frigidity"? WTF? >> >>> Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha! >>> >>> Get out. Beat it. Scram. Vamoose. Hit the road. Go far away. Don't come >>> back. No one wants your meaningless criticisms. You are a mental cripple. >>> >> Comes down to you were challenged to show where Linux promotes productivity, >> efficiency, and error-reduction... and you failed. > > Any problems within GNU/Linux are only the false perceptions of feeble-minded > cretins. If this was true then you would show how it promotes productivity, efficiency, and error-reduction. Instead you claim, above, that such a thing, which I note is "cool", is not something you are interested or find valuable. And that is, really, where desktop Linux fails - it is made by and for people who do not care much about productivity, efficiency, and error-reduction. Until and unless that changes it will never gain much of a user base. Below you go off on how you feel bad about yourself and thus have the need to lash out. Not interested. > YOU are a feeble-minded cretin. > > You blame GNU/Linux for your inability to be productive and efficient. > Ha, ha, ha! You are but a very poor craftsman who places the blame > for his poor craftsmanship on his tools. > > I'm so sorry, but tools have nothing whatsoever to do with competency. > > I can be extremely productive and efficient with Microshit Windows and > I can be extremely productive and efficient with GNU/Linux. The system > makes no difference whatsoever to my productivity and efficiency. > > But for you it DOES make a difference, because you are unproductive and > inefficient in spite of ANY system. > > I can be extremely productuctive and efficient anywhere but I choose > GNU/Linux exclusively because GNU/Linux is a system that is made > from the ground up for skilled programmers. > > You employ Microshit/Apple and you merely BELIEVE that you are productive > and efficient, but a close inspection of your output, and your overall > understanding, would likely reveal otherwise. > > You fool no one but yourself. > > There are NO problems within GNU/Linux. The only problem is YOU. > > There are NO problems within GNU/Linux. The only problem is YOU. > > There are NO problems within GNU/Linux. The only problem is YOU. > > There are NO problems within GNU/Linux. The only problem is YOU. > > THERE ARE _NO_ FUCKING PROBLEMS WITH GNU/LINUX!!! THE ONLY FUCKING > PROBLEM IS _YOU_!!! > > Fucking incompetent cretin. > > Now watch as this pathetic fool tries to save face. > -- * OS X / Linux: What is a file? <http://youtu.be/_dMbXGLW9PI> * Mint MATE Trash, Panel, Menu: <http://youtu.be/C0y74FIf7uE> * Mint KDE working with folders: <http://youtu.be/7C9nvniOoE0> * Mint KDE creating files: <http://youtu.be/N7-fZJaJUv8> * Mint KDE help: <http://youtu.be/3ikizUd3sa8> * Mint KDE general navigation: <http://youtu.be/t9y14yZtQuI> * Mint KDE bugs or Easter eggs? <http://youtu.be/CU-whJQvtfA> * Easy on OS X / Hard on Linux: <http://youtu.be/D3BPWANQoIk> * OS / Word Processor Comparison: <http://youtu.be/w6Qcl-w7s5c>
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| From | DFS <nospam@dfs.com> |
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| Date | 2016-04-25 21:27 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <nfmfvd$1sn$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #351839 |
On 4/25/2016 6:29 PM, Fabian Russell wrote: > I can be extremely productive and efficient with Microshit Windows and > I can be extremely productive and efficient with GNU/Linux. The system > makes no difference whatsoever to my productivity and efficiency. Lying clown. You're lost and ignorant on Windows. Fabian Russell on image compression: "On MS Windows, I wouldn't know where to fucking start" Fabian Russell on text manipulation: "If I had to do this in MS Windows, I couldn't do it... couldn't fucking do it...I ain't got no tools" Fabian Russell on music production: "this is impossible to duplicate on MS Windows because that shit system can't handle microtonality." In fact, Windows can handle ALL such tasks superbly, usually with the best software in the world employed.
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| From | Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
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| Date | 2016-04-25 18:34 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <D34413CE.70EC6%usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
| In reply to | #351869 |
On 4/25/16, 6:27 PM, in article nfmfvd$1sn$2@dont-email.me, "DFS" <nospam@dfs.com> wrote: > On 4/25/2016 6:29 PM, Fabian Russell wrote: > > >> I can be extremely productive and efficient with Microshit Windows and >> I can be extremely productive and efficient with GNU/Linux. The system >> makes no difference whatsoever to my productivity and efficiency. > > > Lying clown. You're lost and ignorant on Windows. > > > Fabian Russell on image compression: "On MS Windows, I wouldn't know > where to fucking start" > > Fabian Russell on text manipulation: "If I had to do this in MS Windows, > I couldn't do it... couldn't fucking do it...I ain't got no tools" > > Fabian Russell on music production: "this is impossible to duplicate on > MS Windows because that shit system can't handle microtonality." > > > > In fact, Windows can handle ALL such tasks superbly, usually with the > best software in the world employed. He claims to be efficient but has yet to show any evidence. I, on the other hand, have been happy to. * From a single online recipe (or art project, lesson plan, whatever) save it and email a PDF version where you add notes to it. Now I know this can be done on Linux; save, open, edit, email. Just curious to see how you people would generally do it and how streamlined the workflow would be. A couple ways I might: <https://youtu.be/NPM_WldEBs0>. * Make a video, as Owl and I have been, but with cursor replacement / resizing (post production), window highlighting, zooming, arbitrary area highlighting. For me these were done just to show something else: <https://youtu.be/aSNpnYpmKag>. I have many other options but picked these because they fit the real-world example I did shortly before coming up with the "challenge". * Getting a WayBackArchive page and getting images of all links, the HTML validation and CSS validation from W3.org, and a active link to the archive page, as I did here (does not have to look the exact same, of course): <http://tmp.gallopinginsanity.com/sandman/sandman-archive.pdf>. * Download as PDFs all the recipes from the homepage of allrecipes.com (Owl is the one who suggested this). I did several versions... here is one: <https://youtu.be/_J4PppWroWY>. Mine not only worked, but the PDF had selectable text and allowed me to do quick searches on ingredients and the like... something Owl was never able to do on Linux. Worked so well that he and Peter Köhlmann insisted it must have been faked. So far no other OS / environment has been shown to be able to do comparable work. -- * OS X / Linux: What is a file? <http://youtu.be/_dMbXGLW9PI> * Mint MATE Trash, Panel, Menu: <http://youtu.be/C0y74FIf7uE> * Mint KDE working with folders: <http://youtu.be/7C9nvniOoE0> * Mint KDE creating files: <http://youtu.be/N7-fZJaJUv8> * Mint KDE help: <http://youtu.be/3ikizUd3sa8> * Mint KDE general navigation: <http://youtu.be/t9y14yZtQuI> * Mint KDE bugs or Easter eggs? <http://youtu.be/CU-whJQvtfA> * Easy on OS X / Hard on Linux: <http://youtu.be/D3BPWANQoIk> * OS / Word Processor Comparison: <http://youtu.be/w6Qcl-w7s5c>
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| From | Fabian Russell <fb@zen.info> |
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| Date | 2016-04-26 09:20 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <nfnbt61tba@news7.newsguy.com> |
| In reply to | #351871 |
On Mon, 25 Apr 2016 18:34:54 -0700, Snit wrote: > > He claims to be efficient but has yet to show any evidence. > > I, on the other hand, have been happy to. > > [snip hackneyed and demented crap] > Whew! This motherfucker is seriously demented! He requires that crutch, no, that wheelchair known as Dreamweaver in order to make web sites. If he didn't have Dreamweaver he couldn't do a damned fucking thing. Then, because GNU/Linux doesn't have Dreamweaver, he castigates GNU/Linux for being an inferior desktop environment. This guy is seriously INCOMPETENT. On those infrequent occasions when I am called upon to build a web site I will code the whole thing by hand. That's right, I do it all with hand-crafted HTML. I could use a plain text editor but I choose to use the best tag editor and that is Bluefish: http://bluefish.openoffice.nl/index.html The point is that this motherfucking dumb fuck could NEVER use Bluefish because THAT would require COMPETENCE. He'd just sit and stare at the screen and invent excuses about why he is not stupid, and those excuses would all blame GNU/Linux for not providing an efficient desktop. Fuck you, loser. The fucking cretin needs MAJOR HELP or he can do nothing, and because GNU/Linux fails to provide that MAJOR HELP he moans and whimpers like a lost child while casting meaningless aspersions about desktop inefficiency. Fuck you, cretin. You can only blame your pathetic self for your SERIOUS INCOMPETENCE. > * From a single online recipe (or art project, lesson plan, whatever) save > it and email a PDF version where you add notes to it. Now I know this can be > done on Linux; save, open, edit, email. Just curious to see how you people > would generally do it and how streamlined the workflow would be. A couple > ways I might: <https://youtu.be/NPM_WldEBs0>. > > * Make a video, as Owl and I have been, but with cursor replacement / > resizing (post production), window highlighting, zooming, arbitrary area > highlighting. For me these were done just to show something else: > <https://youtu.be/aSNpnYpmKag>. I have many other options but picked these > because they fit the real-world example I did shortly before coming up with > the "challenge". > > * Getting a WayBackArchive page and getting images of all links, the HTML > validation and CSS validation from W3.org, and a active link to the archive > page, as I did here (does not have to look the exact same, of course): > <http://tmp.gallopinginsanity.com/sandman/sandman-archive.pdf>. > > * Download as PDFs all the recipes from the homepage of allrecipes.com (Owl > is the one who suggested this). I did several versions... here is one: > <https://youtu.be/_J4PppWroWY>. Mine not only worked, but the PDF had > selectable text and allowed me to do quick searches on ingredients and the > like... something Owl was never able to do on Linux. Worked so well that he > and Peter Köhlmann insisted it must have been faked. > > So far no other OS / environment has been shown to be able to do comparable > work.
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| From | Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> |
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| Date | 2016-04-26 07:05 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <l8CdnYiXd65Z6ILKnZ2dnUU7-budnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #351921 |
On 2016-04-26, Fabian Russell <fb@zen.info> wrote: > He requires that crutch, no, that wheelchair known as Dreamweaver > in order to make web sites. If he didn't have Dreamweaver > he couldn't do a damned fucking thing. > > Then, because GNU/Linux doesn't have Dreamweaver, he castigates > GNU/Linux for being an inferior desktop environment. > > This guy is seriously INCOMPETENT. Just look at his site. I wouldn't be hiring him at all. You'd think his own site would show off his skills. Oh wait... That's the problem. His site does show off the extent of his skills. I think the 90s called, they want their design back. Looks like something someone used to do in PageMill 1.0. Yeah, he does need DreamWeaver. Your comment hits the nail right on the head, five by five. -- Marek Novotny https://github.com/marek-novotny
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| From | Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
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| Date | 2016-04-26 11:54 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <D3450759.70FFC%usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
| In reply to | #351945 |
On 4/26/16, 7:05 AM, in article l8CdnYiXd65Z6ILKnZ2dnUU7-budnZ2d@giganews.com, "Marek Novotny" <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> wrote: > On 2016-04-26, Fabian Russell <fb@zen.info> wrote: >> He requires that crutch, no, that wheelchair known as Dreamweaver >> in order to make web sites. If he didn't have Dreamweaver >> he couldn't do a damned fucking thing. >> >> Then, because GNU/Linux doesn't have Dreamweaver, he castigates >> GNU/Linux for being an inferior desktop environment. >> >> This guy is seriously INCOMPETENT. > > Just look at his site. I wouldn't be hiring him at all. You'd think his > own site would show off his skills. Oh wait... That's the problem. His > site does show off the extent of his skills. I think the 90s called, > they want their design back. Looks like something someone used to do in > PageMill 1.0. Irrelevant and unsupported accusation... with a focus on my personal / professional life to avoid speaking of Linux and technology. > Yeah, he does need DreamWeaver. Your comment hits the nail right on the > head, five by five. Unsupported accusation. -- * OS X / Linux: What is a file? <http://youtu.be/_dMbXGLW9PI> * Mint MATE Trash, Panel, Menu: <http://youtu.be/C0y74FIf7uE> * Mint KDE working with folders: <http://youtu.be/7C9nvniOoE0> * Mint KDE creating files: <http://youtu.be/N7-fZJaJUv8> * Mint KDE help: <http://youtu.be/3ikizUd3sa8> * Mint KDE general navigation: <http://youtu.be/t9y14yZtQuI> * Mint KDE bugs or Easter eggs? <http://youtu.be/CU-whJQvtfA> * Easy on OS X / Hard on Linux: <http://youtu.be/D3BPWANQoIk> * OS / Word Processor Comparison: <http://youtu.be/w6Qcl-w7s5c>
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| From | DFS <nospam@dfs.com> |
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| Date | 2016-04-26 13:24 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <nfo82o$m95$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #351921 |
On 4/26/2016 5:20 AM, Fabian Russell wrote: > On Mon, 25 Apr 2016 18:34:54 -0700, Snit wrote: > >> >> He claims to be efficient but has yet to show any evidence. >> >> I, on the other hand, have been happy to. >> >> [snip hackneyed and demented crap] >> > > Whew! This motherfucker is seriously demented! > > This guy is seriously INCOMPETENT. > > Fuck you, loser. > > Fuck you, cretin. > > You can only blame your pathetic self for your SERIOUS > INCOMPETENCE. JHC! You are a sick SOB who clearly has no woman in his life. Does nobody get credit for anything unless it's the language/app/code you approve of?
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| From | Fabian Russell <fb@zen.info> |
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| Date | 2016-04-26 22:30 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <nfoq6k0qok@news1.newsguy.com> |
| In reply to | #352000 |
On Tue, 26 Apr 2016 13:24:53 -0400, DFS wrote: > > Does nobody get credit for anything unless it's the language/app/code > you approve of? > That statement is completely non sequitur (as expected from a dumb-fuck idiot). Also, it is very bad grammar to terminate a sentence with a fucking preposition (but, again, completely expected from a dumb-fuck idiot). But that motherfucker makes me sick. He tries to blame his own inborn incompetence on some illusory shortcomings of GNU/Linux. HE can't be productive. HE can't be efficient. HE can't be error-free. Therefore, according to his fucked up perceptions, it must be GNU/Linux that is responsible for HIS failures. Oh yeah. If were not for the poorly designed and inadequate GNU/Linux he could be doing wonderful, incredible, and magnificent things. Pfffffffft! What a retarded jerk! Who does he think he can convince? But the significance is that he speaks for a lot of people who sub-consciously all share the same twisted belief.
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| From | Fabian Russell <fb@zen.info> |
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| Date | 2016-04-26 22:45 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <nfor1l1qok@news1.newsguy.com> |
| In reply to | #352000 |
On Tue, 26 Apr 2016 13:24:53 -0400, DFS wrote: > > Does nobody get credit for anything unless it's the language/app/code > you approve of? > In the beginning there was C, and it was good. There was absolutely no need for anything else. Then some lazy ass dumb fucks had the "brilliant" idea of creating languages composed of abbreviations and condensations and other things that would take the toil and drudgery out of C programming. The consequence is the hodgepodge of scripting languages that confronts us today, and which attract hordes of lazy ass dumb-fuck incompetent "programmers" that aren't really programmers but like to see themselves as programmers. Ironically, all such languages employ a C engine. Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha! They should have just kept it C. It is C alone that separates the REAL MEN from the lazy ass dumb fucks.
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