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  For the right money, Linux advocates will work 4MS in 2ms DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-04-22 10:06 -0400
    Re: For the right money, Linux advocates will work 4MS in 2ms Fabian Russell <fb@zen.info> - 2016-04-22 22:14 +0000
      For the right money, anti-Linux trolls will work 4MS in 2ms Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2016-04-22 19:35 -0400
        Chris Ahlstrom making an ass of himself again. Richard King <kingsley651@webby.org> - 2016-04-22 21:05 -0400
      Re: For the right money, Linux advocates will work 4MS in 2ms 7 <7@enemygadgets.com> - 2016-04-23 10:39 +0000
        Re: For the right money, Linux advocates will work 4MS in 2ms Fabian Russell <fb@zen.info> - 2016-04-23 13:22 +0000
          Re: For the right money, Linux advocates will work 4MS in 2ms Me Sham <osirus47@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-23 07:08 -0700
        Re: For the right money, Linux advocates will work 4MS in 2ms DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-04-23 17:02 -0400
        Re: For the right money, Linux advocates will work 4MS in 2ms DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-04-23 22:45 -0400
    Re: For the right money, Linux advocates will work 4MS in 2ms Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2016-04-22 19:34 -0400
      Re: For the right money, Linux advocates will work 4MS in 2ms DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-04-22 20:07 -0400
        Re: For the right money, Linux advocates will work 4MS in 2ms Me Sham <osirus47@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-22 17:34 -0700
        Re: For the right money, Linux advocates will work 4MS in 2ms Fabian Russell <fb@zen.info> - 2016-04-23 14:45 +0000
          Re: For the right money, Linux advocates will work 4MS in 2ms Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2016-04-23 14:20 -0400
            Re: For the right money, Linux advocates will work 4MS in 2ms Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2016-04-23 11:31 -0700
              Re: For the right money, Linux advocates will work 4MS in 2ms Fabian Russell <fb@zen.info> - 2016-04-23 18:45 +0000
                Re: For the right money, Linux advocates will work 4MS in 2ms Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2016-04-23 12:34 -0700
                Re: For the right money, Linux advocates will work 4MS in 2ms Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2016-04-23 15:35 -0400
                Re: For the right money, Linux advocates will work 4MS in 2ms DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-04-25 21:40 -0400
              sdlbasic vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2016-04-26 21:41 +0000
                Re: sdlbasic Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2016-04-26 14:56 -0700
                Re: sdlbasic ronb <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2016-04-26 22:59 +0000
            Re: For the right money, Linux advocates will work 4MS in 2ms DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-04-26 12:48 -0400
              Re: For the right money, Linux advocates will work 4MS in 2ms Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2016-04-26 09:55 -0700
                Re: For the right money, Linux advocates will work 4MS in 2ms DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-04-26 12:59 -0400
                  Re: For the right money, Linux advocates will work 4MS in 2ms Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2016-04-26 10:28 -0700
                    Re: For the right money, Linux advocates will work 4MS in 2ms Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2016-04-26 14:54 -0400
                      Re: For the right money, Linux advocates will work 4MS in 2ms chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2016-04-26 14:21 -0500
                        Re: For the right money, Linux advocates will work 4MS in 2ms Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2016-04-27 00:26 +0200
                          Re: For the right money, Linux advocates will work 4MS in 2ms DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-04-26 20:53 -0400
                      Re: For the right money, Linux advocates will work 4MS in 2ms William Poaster <wp@dev.null> - 2016-04-26 22:32 +0100
                    Re: For the right money, Linux advocates will work 4MS in 2ms Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2016-04-26 19:52 -0400
                      Re: For the right money, Linux advocates will work 4MS in 2ms Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2016-04-26 17:27 -0700
                        Re: For the right money, Linux advocates will work 4MS in 2ms Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2016-04-26 20:36 -0400
                        Re: For the right money, Linux advocates will work 4MS in 2ms DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-04-27 10:48 -0400
                Re: For the right money, Linux advocates will work 4MS in 2ms Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2016-04-26 13:14 -0400
                  Re: For the right money, Linux advocates will work 4MS in 2ms DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-04-26 13:28 -0400
        K00k DFS rides again! Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2016-04-23 14:16 -0400
          Re: For the right money, Linux advocates will work 4MS in 2ms DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-04-23 16:57 -0400
      Re: For the right money, Linux advocates will work 4MS in 2ms JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> - 2016-04-22 20:49 -0500
    For the right money, microshaft appile trolls will go get a job 7 <7@enemygadgets.com> - 2016-04-23 10:27 +0000
      Re: For the right money, microshaft appile trolls will go get a job chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2016-04-25 07:51 -0500
        Re: For the right money, microshaft appile trolls will go get a job DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-04-25 08:58 -0400

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#351255 — For the right money, Linux advocates will work 4MS in 2ms

all except for Creepy Chris Ahlstrom; he has "principles"/

"I wouldn't work for Microsoft for a billion dollars" - the high and 
mighty Chris Ahlstrom, who will develop on and for Windows for 25 years 
for a tiny fraction of $1 billion.

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#351318

On Fri, 22 Apr 2016 10:06:24 -0400, DFS wrote:

> "I wouldn't work for Microsoft for a billion dollars"
>

Working for Microshit is like spoon feeding a deaf and blind
paraplegic with Alzheimer's disease -- for eight hours day.

Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha!

Microshit is in the business of making crutches -- nay wheelchairs --
for brain-dead and intellectually comatose computer users.

It's not a matter of principle; it's a matter of stomach.

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#351350 — For the right money, anti-Linux trolls will work 4MS in 2ms

Fabian Russell wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

> On Fri, 22 Apr 2016 10:06:24 -0400, DFS wrote:
>
>> "I wouldn't work for Microsoft for a billion dollars"
>>
>
> Working for Microshit is like spoon feeding a deaf and blind
> paraplegic with Alzheimer's disease -- for eight hours day.
>
> Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha!
>
> Microshit is in the business of making crutches -- nay wheelchairs --
> for brain-dead and intellectually comatose computer users.
>
> It's not a matter of principle; it's a matter of stomach.

Well, that's part of it, too. :-)

No need to laugh so much, by the way.  It's obvious troll-sign.

-- 
Debian Hint #13: If you don't like the default options used in a Debian
package, you can download the source and build a version which uses the
options you prefer. See http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-pkg_basics.html
(sections 6.13 and 6.14) for more information.
 
However, bear in mind that most options in most packages can be configured
at runtime, and do not require recompiling the package.

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#351378 — Chris Ahlstrom making an ass of himself again.

On Fri, 22 Apr 2016 19:35:43 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

> Fabian Russell wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
> 
>> On Fri, 22 Apr 2016 10:06:24 -0400, DFS wrote:
>>
>>> "I wouldn't work for Microsoft for a billion dollars"
>>>
>>
>> Working for Microshit is like spoon feeding a deaf and blind
>> paraplegic with Alzheimer's disease -- for eight hours day.
>>
>> Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha!
>>
>> Microshit is in the business of making crutches -- nay wheelchairs --
>> for brain-dead and intellectually comatose computer users.
>>
>> It's not a matter of principle; it's a matter of stomach.
> 
> Well, that's part of it, too. :-)
> 
> No need to laugh so much, by the way.  It's obvious troll-sign.

The joke is on you Chris Ahlstrom.

Your desire to support anything pro-Linux, no matter how ludicrous and
false has labeled you as a complete asshole, right alongside the
resident janitor William Poaster.

Have you no shame?

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#351426

Fabian Russell wrote:

> On Fri, 22 Apr 2016 10:06:24 -0400, DFS wrote:
> 
>> "I wouldn't work for Microsoft for a billion dollars"
>>
> 
> Working for Microshit is like spoon feeding a deaf and blind
> paraplegic with Alzheimer's disease -- for eight hours day.
> 
> Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha!
> 
> Microshit is in the business of making crutches -- nay wheelchairs --
> for brain-dead and intellectually comatose computer users.
> 
> It's not a matter of principle; it's a matter of stomach.


Microshaft is in the business of catering to non-techies.

A job techies suck at.

There is still untold fortunes to be made by techies catering
to non-techies by giving them more choices, monitoring which
things work and then including those things as standard choices
in every distro.

I like my desktop to be translucent cube.
I want one button to do this:

(This is what I need to do in Ubuntu 14.04)



    Right click desktop > Change desktop background > Theme > Radiance 
(otherwise the borders on windows will be dar in the next steps)
        Also set the desktop timeout to avoid PC screen lock every 5 minutes
        If have internet then easier to set up firefox to log into this web 
page for all the commands and guidance 
    sudo apt-get install gnome-session-fallback
    reboot
    Log back in under with gnome-compiz - click on the small round icon 
above the login box to select the gnome-compiz window manager
    sudo apt-get install compizconfig-settings-manager compiz-plugins-extra
    The following commands are very risky - please wait and react slowly
        NOTE after clicking, the software updates the settings - but there 
is a lag. Clicking during the update lag could cause compiz to crash and to 
completely wipe all the good settings 
    Set General Options > Desktop Size > Horizontal Virtual screen size 7 or 
more (high definition screens with low graphics RAM cannot have more than 
couple of windows)
    Click on the Back button
    Disable the Desktop Wall
    Enable Desktop Cube
        Desktop Cube > Transparent Cube > Opacity during rotation 27%
        Desktop Cube > Transparent Cube > Non rotating opacity 33%
        Desktop Cube > Appearance > Skydome > Skydome - set check mark
        Desktop Cube > Appearance > Skydome > skydome gradient start colour 
yellow #FEFFC7
        Desktop Cube > Appearance > Skydome > skydome gradient end colour 
blue #0DB1FD 
    Enable Rotate Cube
    Enable Wobbly Windows effect
        At this point the software may crash - reboot PC and log back in - 
if it has worked then the transparent cube should be showing 
    Enable window decoration
    Enable Animation
    Enable Fading Windows
    Enable Move window
    Enable Resize window
    Enable Grid
    Enable place windows
    Enable Scale
    Enable Viewport Switcher
        Viewport Switcher > Desktop-based Viewport Switching
        move left = Button 4
        move right = Button 5 

    If the screen hasn't changed to translucent, reboot PC. 

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#351447

On Sat, 23 Apr 2016 10:39:08 +0000, 7 wrote:

> 
> Microshaft is in the business of catering to non-techies.
> 
> A job techies suck at.
> 

Absolutely, unequivocally, and indisputable true!

But the Microshit business model has not been without
serious consequences.  Computer viruses, malware, and
digital eavesdropping (spying) are ALL the result of
the junk software that Microshit has foisted on the world.

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#351454

On Saturday, April 23, 2016 at 8:23:21 AM UTC-5, Fabian Russell wrote:
> Computer viruses, malware, and
> digital eavesdropping (spying)

Android described to a T.

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#351544

On 4/23/2016 6:39 AM, 7 wrote:


> Microshaft is in the business of catering to non-techies.

And since most of the world is non-techies, MS owns it.


> A job techies suck at.

No doubt.  I was looking into using Grub to boot multiple distros + 
Windows.  It's way, way more hassle than it should be.

Contrast it with EasyBCD.

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#351574

On 4/23/2016 6:39 AM, 7 wrote:

> I like my desktop to be translucent cube.
>
> (This is what I need to do in Ubuntu 14.04)
>
> ...sudo apt-get install gnome-session-fallback
> ...reboot
> ...could cause compiz to crash
> ...the software may crash - reboot PC
> ...If the screen hasn't changed to translucent, reboot PC.


Clearly, it was developed in a "pervasive culture of quality and design, 
thoughtful usability and great technology".

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Brand

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#351348

DFS wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

> all except for Creepy Chris Ahlstrom; he has "principles"/

Principles?  It has nothing to do with that.  It has to do with what kind of
place Microsoft is to work at.  I work in a pleasant environment with a lot
fewer assholes than you'll find a most places.

And what's that "Creepy" nonsense?  What's "Creepy" is calling me "Creepy"
in part because... get this... I drive a Fiesta, a fairly racy version of
that model line that was pretty popular in Europe.

What a k00k!

> "I wouldn't work for Microsoft for a billion dollars" - the high and 
> mighty Chris Ahlstrom, who will develop on and for Windows for 25 years 
> for a tiny fraction of $1 billion.

Idiot.  Windows is incidental, as I've said before.  What's substantive is
the *language*, which I write using standard calls, eschewing most
platform-specific calls.

Oh how it must eat at the so-called heart of DFS, that someone can enjoy
Linux so much, spend so much time in it, and yet write code that deploys on
both systems.

By the way, would *you* (the audience) work for a billion dollars, knowing
what a yoke that would put on your shoulders?  Knowing that "the love of
money is the root of all evil"?

No thanks.  My life is happy.  I get to use Linux all day.  I can go home
and enjoy life.  I can go home and write Free software.

-- 
Many changes of mind and mood; do not hesitate too long.

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#351364

On 4/22/2016 7:34 PM, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
> DFS wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>
>> all except for Creepy Chris Ahlstrom; he has "principles"/
>
> Principles?  It has nothing to do with that.  It has to do with what kind of
> place Microsoft is to work at.  I work in a pleasant environment with a lot
> fewer assholes than you'll find a most places.

Fact is, you wouldn't work for MS for any wage because you can't handle 
the pressure and competition and the skillbase required to stay in such 
a demanding environment.


> And what's that "Creepy" nonsense?  What's "Creepy" is calling me "Creepy"
> in part because... get this... I drive a Fiesta, a fairly racy version of
> that model line that was pretty popular in Europe.

It's a tiny car for college-freshman girls.


> What a k00k!

What's creepy is your weenie personality and behavior [1]



>> "I wouldn't work for Microsoft for a billion dollars" - the high and
>> mighty Chris Ahlstrom, who will develop on and for Windows for 25 years
>> for a tiny fraction of $1 billion.
>
> Idiot.  Windows is incidental, as I've said before.

Riggghhht...

Incidentally, you've been developing for Windows for 20+ years straight.



> What's substantive is the *language*, which I write using standard calls, eschewing most
> platform-specific calls.

"most"

You know and I know and everyone knows every line of code you deploy for 
Windows helps MS maintain their dominance.  At night you come to cola to 
whine and lie about them.



> Oh how it must eat at the so-called heart of DFS, that someone can enjoy
> Linux so much, spend so much time in it, and yet write code that deploys on
> both systems.

You don't enjoy Linux enough to get a job doing it full-time, so what 
are you blabbing about?



> By the way, would *you* (the audience) work for a billion dollars, knowing
> what a yoke that would put on your shoulders?  Knowing that "the love of
> money is the root of all evil"?

Fuck yeah I would.  I'd work myself to the bone every day for that kind 
of money... because I could take care of every family member and friend 
I have, forever and beyond.



> No thanks.  My life is happy.  I get to use Linux all day.  I can go home
> and enjoy life.  I can go home and write Free software.

I can only imagine how bad your hobby code is, given that they won't let 
you write production code at the office:

"And, frankly, the majority of the work our group does is requirements, 
design and testing, not coding.  The coding is a small treat, with 
desirable (to the coders) features not getting done because of time 
pressure.  So those off-hours coding are when I get to do things the 
Right Way -- my way!"







[1] Everything you always wanted to know about Christopher John Ahlstrom 
but were afraid to ask

=========================================================================
Is he really pussy-whipped?  Yes

"My wife used to dole out my weekly allowance, $20, and then quiz me
about where I spent it, as she didn't expect me to buy snacks and such.
  She's a lot more tolerant now, and it took years of resistance.  I can
buy a $120 UPS when I need to."

-------------------------------------------------------------

Q. "How much does a Mac with the same specs cost?"

Ahlstrom reply: "About three months worth of grovelling and whining,
                 'But honey!!!!!'"

-------------------------------------------------------------

"As I said, after 30 years of marriage to a woman who is not only far
more ethical than these trolls, but more intelligent and witty, and
funny, and fun to be with, and -- get this -- probably physically
*stronger* than any of these trolls, we've come to quite a sound
agreement about things."

=========================================================================
Does he really talk about pee-pees?  Yes

"I am not worthy to wipe your pee-pee <grin>"

"Bailiff!  Whack his pee-pee!"

=========================================================================
Does he really giggle like a schoolgirl?  Yes

"Anyway, don't look a gift penguin in the mouth
<grin> <tee hee> <giggle>..."

"Oh my!  <giggle>"

"Men giggle, too"

"I can't help giggling when DFS craps himself in public."

"How do we know /you/ aren't trolling?  <giggle>"

"(Inane giggling issues forth from the Linonut.)"

"And here was the exchange <giggle>"

""Sound" advice, eh?  <giggle>"

=========================================================================
Is he really 57 and still immature?  Yes

"I refuse to grow up"

"Man I love Mad magazine"

uses "Billy Butt-Crust" to refer to Bill Gates

laughs at a dongle on a laptop as if it's "exposing itself"

Google+ quote used to be: "If at first you don't suck seed, keep on
suckin' 'til you do suck seed"
=========================================================================
Is he really an outrageous hypocrite?  Yes.  One of the worst.

"Windows is garbage", "Microsoft is evil", then he turns around and
develops only proprietary Microsoft\Windows code for 20+ years

"I've never bought anything but Windows laptops.  For years now."

=========================================================================
Is he really a pretentious douchebag?  In the extreme

reads cola with an online thesaurus open and uses big or obscure words
like amanuensis, lagniappe, ratiocination and stultiloquence.  Actually
posted the word 'rhodomontade' to a Debian mailing list.

subscribes to New Yorker magazine

=========================================================================
Is he really a physically small dweeb?  Yes

He and wife drove Honda Fit, Toyota Yaris, and Ford Fiesta autos

=========================================================================
Does he really admire Richard Stallman (who is skeptical that 'voluntary
pedophilia' is harmful)?   Yes, very much.

"It would be an honor to attend a party and converse with him."

"I'm hoping my daughter is so motivated, forthright, and socially
conscious."

=========================================================================
Is he really a blatant liar?  Yes.

Jul 9 2012:   "Windows is garbage."
9 days later: "I don't lie, and I don't trash Windows"

"I wouldn't work for Microsoft for a billion dollars."  (but he'll help
deploy Windows code for 20 years for a tiny fraction of it?)

=========================================================================
Was he raised to be a wimp?  Yes

"I was not raised in a competitive environment, and I
would have wilted under Bill [Gates'] sarcasm."

=========================================================================
Does he really play soccer?  Yes

"I'm 55 and still holding my own on the soccer field with people half my
age."

=========================================================================
Why did he use the creepy CB handle "Little Beaver"?

"Actually, it was my dad, who said that my friend and I, who were
setting up traps in his cars, were 'little beavers busily making
mischief, and they're going to be punished'."

=========================================================================
Did he really drop out of grad. school?  Yes

(he admitted to dropping out of a Masters in Physics program because he 
was "losing my mind")

=========================================================================
Is he a low-income IT tester and documenter?  Yes

"And, frankly, the majority of the work our group does is requirements,
design and testing, not coding."

------------------------------------

"I make a sum that is satisfactory (i.e. "plenty") to me, and I
said so. But it is a relatively small salary by industry standards, and
rightly so, since I got into computer programming by a rather
round-about route."

(he's been programming since 1974)

=========================================================================

ugh

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#351372

None of these Linux fucks could even land an interview.

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#351462

On Fri, 22 Apr 2016 20:07:22 -0400, DFS wrote:

> 
> Fact is, you wouldn't work for MS for any wage because you can't handle 
> the pressure and competition and the skillbase required to stay in such 
> a demanding environment.
> 

As if you actually know what goes on within such an environment.

"Pressure."  "Competition."  "Demanding."

Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha!

It's more like sitting through boring meetings until 9:30pm
listening to some incompetent idiot suggest what "canned"
package can be dropped into the code base, while no one
else wants to challenge for fear of revealing his own
disgusting incompetence.

But have no fear.  When the final "product" gets shipped
no one will notice the inexcusably shoddy workmanship because
of the overlying dazzle and glitz.  It's amazing what a shiny
coat of paint can cover up.

Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha!  THAT'S your idealism reduced to reality.

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#351512

Fabian Russell wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

> On Fri, 22 Apr 2016 20:07:22 -0400, DFS wrote:
>
>> <bullshit snippled>
>
> As if you actually know what goes on within such an environment.
>
> "Pressure."  "Competition."  "Demanding."
>
> Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha!
>
> It's more like sitting through boring meetings until 9:30pm
> listening to some incompetent idiot suggest what "canned"
> package can be dropped into the code base, while no one
> else wants to challenge for fear of revealing his own
> disgusting incompetence.
>
> But have no fear.  When the final "product" gets shipped
> no one will notice the inexcusably shoddy workmanship because
> of the overlying dazzle and glitz.  It's amazing what a shiny
> coat of paint can cover up.

Maybe somebody can tell me how Visual Studio 2013, a supposedly
great product from a great company, can be brought to its knees
by *hovering over a variable in the debugger*.  And no, they
won't patch it in that version.  You have to buy a new version
to get that fix.

And why does a Tomcat container get to its up-and-running state
*twice as fast* in Linux as in Windows?

-- 
Have a place for everything and keep the thing somewhere else; this is not
advice, it is merely custom.
		-- Mark Twain

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#351516

On 2016-04-23, Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote:
> Maybe somebody can tell me how Visual Studio 2013, a supposedly
> great product from a great company, can be brought to its knees
> by *hovering over a variable in the debugger*.  And no, they
> won't patch it in that version.  You have to buy a new version
> to get that fix.
>
> And why does a Tomcat container get to its up-and-running state
> *twice as fast* in Linux as in Windows?

I think the first user of both Visual Studio Pro and Xcode would be
surprised at how much gets loaded with it. Though it's been around three
years since I installed it I'd be willing be $20 that the install is
larger than my entire Ubuntu live install. 

Now as I think about it, I think I can install a full Ubuntu with dev
tools faster than one can install Visual Studio in its entirety. 


It's been a while since i used xcode. Correct me if I am wrong, but I'm
pretty sure they didn't offer a delta upgrade either. So with each
update I would get this massive 1.1 GiB upgrade to deal with. 

One of the things I really like about Linux is how simple it is to
starting writing code. Reminds me of the old days when right after
power up, you have basic right there. You know if Linux came with a
printed manual that would be cool to include. A small manual on C right
in getting started guide. Just like the old days. 

-- 
Marek Novotny
https://github.com/marek-novotny

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#351521

On Sat, 23 Apr 2016 11:31:51 -0700, Marek Novotny wrote:

>
> I'd be willing be $20 that the install is
> larger than my entire Ubuntu live install. 
> 

Not to mention the SEVERAL HOURS wasted during installation
while Microshit goes through its who-knows-what routines.
That is correct.  It requires SEVERAL HOURS to install
Visual Studio.

And if you ever want to UNINSTALL it, well just forget
about it.

Visual Studio is the most disorganized and chaotic pile
of files that exists on Microshit.  I fucked up my entire
system attempting to get rid of it.  It would be simpler
to just start again with a fresh install of MS Windows --
and that's exactly what I had to do.

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#351525

On 2016-04-23, Fabian Russell <fb@zen.info> wrote:
> On Sat, 23 Apr 2016 11:31:51 -0700, Marek Novotny wrote:
>
>>
>> I'd be willing be $20 that the install is
>> larger than my entire Ubuntu live install. 

I meant to say "BET" above. Sorry for the typo.

> Not to mention the SEVERAL HOURS wasted during installation
> while Microshit goes through its who-knows-what routines.
> That is correct.  It requires SEVERAL HOURS to install
> Visual Studio.
>
> And if you ever want to UNINSTALL it, well just forget
> about it.
>
> Visual Studio is the most disorganized and chaotic pile
> of files that exists on Microshit.  I fucked up my entire
> system attempting to get rid of it.  It would be simpler
> to just start again with a fresh install of MS Windows --
> and that's exactly what I had to do.

Well in Windows 10 I think you can essentially roll back the clock now
to undo it. 

In Red Hat everything you do with yum is a transaction. And you can pull
up the transaction log, get the transaction ID and just undo that
transaction. It will be as if it never happened. Again, proving to me
Linux is just so much better, easier to deal with. 

The whole Visual Studio install is a good example of how bad the
experience can be installing software on Windows. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhLikb6VPWU

http://preview.tinyurl.com/3d3hbbs

I can't tell you how many times I just used Google to find something on
Microsoft. I also personally feel like it says something about them as a
company. If they can't even clean their own house why would you want
them in yours? They have no concept of being organized.

-- 
Marek Novotny
https://github.com/marek-novotny

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#351526

Fabian Russell wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

> On Sat, 23 Apr 2016 11:31:51 -0700, Marek Novotny wrote:
>
>> I'd be willing be $20 that the install is
>> larger than my entire Ubuntu live install. 

It's pretty damn big.

> Not to mention the SEVERAL HOURS wasted during installation
> while Microshit goes through its who-knows-what routines.
> That is correct.  It requires SEVERAL HOURS to install
> Visual Studio.

You're full of it.  It takes about an hour.  Even if you uncheck
that <laughing> Windows Store crap, and the <OMG!> Office developer
bullshit.  That's still too long though.

Then you have to find and install the latest big-ass patch.
Hope it fixes the bugs in VS.

You might also need to install additional versions of .NET
Framework.

> And if you ever want to UNINSTALL it, well just forget
> about it.
>
> Visual Studio is the most disorganized and chaotic pile
> of files that exists on Microshit.  I fucked up my entire
> system attempting to get rid of it.  It would be simpler
> to just start again with a fresh install of MS Windows --
> and that's exactly what I had to do.

Really, you're better off sequestering your Windows installs
in a virtual machine, keeping backups or snapshots before installing
each major package.  Unless you like crossing your fingers and waiting
for a "restore point" to operate.

-- 
Q:	Why did the chicken cross the road?
A:	He was giving it last rites.

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#351872

On 4/23/2016 2:45 PM, Fabian Russell wrote:

> Not to mention the SEVERAL HOURS wasted during installation
> while Microshit goes through its who-knows-what routines.
> That is correct.  It requires SEVERAL HOURS to install
> Visual Studio.


That is incorrect.

When posting your bullshit lies, it's best you specify exactly which 
version and options you're choosing.  Then someone can do it themselves 
and prove you're a lying jagoff (which you are).

Start here:
https://www.visualstudio.com/downloads/download-visual-studio-vs


1. it took 1 minute to download and install Visual Studio Code. It
took 5 seconds to cleanly uninstall it.

2. it took 20 minutes to download and install 'Visual Studio Community 
2015 with Updates' using the defaults.

start install : 7:53pm
finish install: 8:13pm
http://i.imgur.com/Ea0Zf7L.jpg


It took 17 minutes to uninstall.  No issues whatsoever.

start removal : 9:16pm
finish removal: 9:33pm
http://i.imgur.com/FPguJOZ.jpg



I didn't try to install the Enterprise Trial version, but I'm sure it 
will work as well as the others.



> And if you ever want to UNINSTALL it, well just forget
> about it.


I just did 2 clean, perfect installs and uninstalls of Visual Studio 
products.  Just a few mouse clicks.  Not a single error or hesitation. 
Flawless.

That Fabian Russell incompetence rears its head again.




> Visual Studio is the most disorganized and chaotic pile
> of files that exists on Microshit.  I fucked up my entire
> system attempting to get rid of it.  It would be simpler
> to just start again with a fresh install of MS Windows --
> and that's exactly what I had to do.

That's because you're a fucking dumbass.

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#352038 — sdlbasic

On Sat, 23 Apr 2016 11:31:51 -0700, Marek Novotny wrote:

> On 2016-04-23, Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote:
>> Maybe somebody can tell me how Visual Studio 2013, a supposedly great
>> product from a great company, can be brought to its knees by *hovering
>> over a variable in the debugger*.  And no, they won't patch it in that
>> version.  You have to buy a new version to get that fix.
>>
>> And why does a Tomcat container get to its up-and-running state *twice
>> as fast* in Linux as in Windows?
> 
> I think the first user of both Visual Studio Pro and Xcode would be
> surprised at how much gets loaded with it. Though it's been around three
> years since I installed it I'd be willing be $20 that the install is
> larger than my entire Ubuntu live install.
> 
> Now as I think about it, I think I can install a full Ubuntu with dev
> tools faster than one can install Visual Studio in its entirety.
> 
> 
> It's been a while since i used xcode. Correct me if I am wrong, but I'm
> pretty sure they didn't offer a delta upgrade either. So with each
> update I would get this massive 1.1 GiB upgrade to deal with.
> 
> One of the things I really like about Linux is how simple it is to
> starting writing code. Reminds me of the old days when right after power
> up, you have basic right there. You know if Linux came with a printed
> manual that would be cool to include. A small manual on C right in
> getting started guide. Just like the old days.

If you're feeling nostalgic for the days of old-timey basic tinkering:

# apt-get install sdlbasic

 ...and have fun. :)

-- 
 -v
"Desktops, workstations and servers are and Microsoft
is doing very well. AS well as Linux." -"Slimer"

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