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| Started by | vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> |
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| First post | 2016-04-16 01:41 +0000 |
| Last post | 2016-04-16 07:09 -0700 |
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[Meta] Another modest proposal vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2016-04-16 01:41 +0000
Re: [Meta] Another modest proposal Omar <omarsayeed@linuxmail.org> - 2016-04-15 21:47 -0400
Re: [Meta] Another modest proposal DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-04-16 18:27 -0400
Re: [Meta] Another modest proposal -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2016-04-15 19:03 -0700
Re: [Meta] Another modest proposal owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2016-04-16 02:19 +0000
Re: [Meta] Another modest proposal vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2016-04-16 02:37 +0000
Re: [Meta] Another modest proposal owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2016-04-16 02:42 +0000
Re: [Meta] Another modest proposal vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2016-04-16 02:54 +0000
Re: [Meta] Another modest proposal owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2016-04-16 03:01 +0000
Re: [Meta] Another modest proposal Omar <omarsayeed@linuxmail.org> - 2016-04-15 23:05 -0400
Re: [Meta] Another modest proposal "\"Fakey's\" dogwhistle holder living at 5907 Stanton Ave., Pittsburgh, PA (aka Teh Mop Jockey), socked up as 5907 Stanton Avenue, Pittsburgh, PA 15206-2117" <root@127.0.0.1> - 2016-04-15 23:06 -0400
Re: [Meta] Another modest proposal Omar <omarsayeed@linuxmail.org> - 2016-04-15 23:07 -0400
Re: [Meta] Another modest proposal "\"Fakey's\" dogwhistle holder living at 5907 Stanton Ave., Pittsburgh, PA (aka Teh Mop Jockey), socked up as 5907 Stanton Avenue, Pittsburgh, PA 15206-2117" <root@127.0.0.1> - 2016-04-15 23:18 -0400
Re: [Meta] Another modest proposal owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2016-04-16 03:15 +0000
Re: [Meta] Another modest proposal "\"Fakey's\" dogwhistle holder living at 5907 Stanton Ave., Pittsburgh, PA (aka Teh Mop Jockey), socked up as 5907 Stanton Avenue, Pittsburgh, PA 15206-2117" <root@127.0.0.1> - 2016-04-15 23:20 -0400
Re: [Meta] Another modest proposal owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2016-04-16 03:32 +0000
Re: [Meta] Another modest proposal Rick Sabian's Allstar Canadian Assworm Zydeco Band <Lunatic.Fringe@The.Edge> - 2016-04-15 23:28 -0700
Re: [Meta] Another modest proposal Silver Slimer <ahlstrom's_manhood@void.ca> - 2016-04-16 11:05 -0400
Re: [Meta] Another modest proposal Nadegda <nad318b404@gmail.invalid> - 2016-04-19 21:46 +0000
Re: [Meta] Another modest proposal Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-19 17:05 -0700
Re: [Meta] Another modest proposal Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2016-04-19 20:42 -0400
Re: [Meta] Another modest proposal vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2016-04-16 03:06 +0000
Re: [Meta] Another modest proposal owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2016-04-16 03:12 +0000
Re: [Meta] Another modest proposal vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2016-04-16 03:32 +0000
Re: [Meta] Another modest proposal owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2016-04-16 03:41 +0000
Re: [Meta] Another modest proposal Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2016-04-16 10:33 -0700
Re: [Meta] Another modest proposal Rick Sabian's Allstar Canadian Assworm Zydeco Band <Lunatic.Fringe@The.Edge> - 2016-04-15 23:46 -0700
Re: [Meta] Another modest proposal Rick Sabian's Allstar Canadian Assworm Zydeco Band <Lunatic.Fringe@The.Edge> - 2016-04-15 23:36 -0700
Re: [Meta] Another modest proposal Omar <omarsayeed@linuxmail.org> - 2016-04-15 23:03 -0400
Re: [Meta] Another modest proposal "\"Fakey's\" dogwhistle holder living at 5907 Stanton Ave., Pittsburgh, PA (aka Teh Mop Jockey), socked up as 5907 Stanton Avenue, Pittsburgh, PA 15206-2117" <root@127.0.0.1> - 2016-04-15 23:06 -0400
Re: [Meta] Another modest proposal Omar <omarsayeed@linuxmail.org> - 2016-04-15 23:08 -0400
Re: [Meta] Another modest proposal "\"Fakey's\" dogwhistle holder living at 5907 Stanton Ave., Pittsburgh, PA (aka Teh Mop Jockey), socked up as 5907 Stanton Avenue, Pittsburgh, PA 15206-2117" <root@127.0.0.1> - 2016-04-15 23:19 -0400
Re: [Meta] Another modest proposal Omar <omarsayeed@linuxmail.org> - 2016-04-15 23:24 -0400
Re: [Meta] Another modest proposal owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2016-04-16 03:43 +0000
Re: [Meta] Another modest proposal buzzard <buzz@nospam.invalid> - 2016-04-15 23:10 -0400
Re: [Meta] Another modest proposal vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2016-04-16 03:16 +0000
Re: [Meta] Another modest proposal Omar <omarsayeed@linuxmail.org> - 2016-04-15 23:23 -0400
Re: [Meta] Another modest proposal vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2016-04-16 03:48 +0000
Re: [Meta] Another modest proposal Omar <omarsayeed@linuxmail.org> - 2016-04-16 00:04 -0400
Re: [Meta] Another modest proposal vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2016-04-16 04:15 +0000
Re: [Meta] Another modest proposal Rick Sabian's Allstar Canadian Assworm Zydeco Band <Lunatic.Fringe@The.Edge> - 2016-04-15 23:48 -0700
Re: [Meta] Another modest proposal buzzard <buzz@nospam.invalid> - 2016-04-16 03:06 -0400
Re: [Meta] Another modest proposal Rick Sabian's Allstar Canadian Assworm Zydeco Band <Lunatic.Fringe@The.Edge> - 2016-04-16 00:19 -0700
Re: [Meta] Another modest proposal buzzard <buzz@nospam.invalid> - 2016-04-16 03:26 -0400
Re: [Meta] Another modest proposal Omar <omarsayeed@linuxmail.org> - 2016-04-16 09:06 -0400
Re: [Meta] Another modest proposal chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2016-04-18 08:14 -0500
Re: [Meta] Another modest proposal Nadegda <nad318b404@gmail.invalid> - 2016-04-16 09:41 +0000
Re: [Meta] Another modest proposal Omar <omarsayeed@linuxmail.org> - 2016-04-15 22:48 -0400
Re: [Meta] Another modest proposal Ron House <rhouse@smartchat.net.au> - 2016-04-16 15:35 +1000
Re: [Meta] Another modest proposal vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2016-04-16 15:26 +0000
Re: [Meta] Another modest proposal Omar <omarsayeed@linuxmail.org> - 2016-04-16 11:35 -0400
Re: [Meta] Another modest proposal John Gohde <john.h.gohde@gmail.com> - 2016-04-16 07:09 -0700
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| From | Rick Sabian's Allstar Canadian Assworm Zydeco Band <Lunatic.Fringe@The.Edge> |
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| Date | 2016-04-15 23:48 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <MPG.317b80311c791f9898ce5b@news.altopia.com> |
| In reply to | #350237 |
In article <nesb17$n4d$1@dont-email.me>, omarsayeed@linuxmail.org says... > > On 16 Apr 2016 03:16:51 GMT, vallor wrote: > > > On Fri, 15 Apr 2016 23:03:27 -0400, Omar wrote: > > > >> On 16 Apr 2016 02:54:10 GMT, vallor wrote: > >> > >>> On Sat, 16 Apr 2016 02:42:02 +0000, owl wrote: > >>> > >>>> vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> wrote: > >>>>> On Sat, 16 Apr 2016 02:19:48 +0000, owl wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> wrote: > >>>>>>> You know, this _is_ a "big 8" newsgroup. Some news admins take big > >>>>>>> 8 group charters more seriously than an alt.* group charter. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> What would happen if folks who wanted to clean up the group went > >>>>>>> full-on netcop on the troll's kkkreepy asses? > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> I suspect there is not the political will to commit to such a > >>>>>>> course of action, but thought I'd bring it up, if only to troll the > >>>>>>> trolls. Ha! > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> Are you trying for kook of the month yourself? > >>>>> > >>>>> I don't follow, please explain yourself. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> Well, I haven't looked at AUK in about 15 years, but back then it was > >>>> always one netcop or another getting the awards. Have things changed? > >>> > >>> There is some of that, but there also has to be an element of > >>> kookishness. > >>> > >>> Like Wollmann. He was always netkkkopping...and would get more and > >>> more frustrated when people didn't take him seriously. Once was in > >>> regard to the famous "pantihed" banner ad, with him wearing a badly > >>> 'shopped pair of panties on his head. Ah, memories. > >>> > >>> But no, I don't think there's anything particularly kooky about opening > >>> a discussion of enforcing a big-8 group's charter. A serious argument > >>> could be had one way or the other. > >>> > >>> But if it were an alt.* group, that would probably be cuckoo. > >>> > >>> Finally, I'll point out that vv down there vv in the snubbery, you'll > >>> find one of the longest-standing trolls in the group responded with > >>> threats. > >>> > >>> Must've put the fear of God in him -- and he wears his fear on his > >>> sleeve. > >> > >> You take life too seriously Bloaty. > >> You need to relax. > > > > I am relaxed. I've been having a pleasant evening gardening. > > Your posts don't indicate that. > > > You, on the other hand, were just faced with your life being turned > > upside-down. > > lol. > You overestimate your capabilities and you grossly underestimate the > power of social media when it comes down to focusing on corporations. > > > How will you get your "fix" if you can't troll COLA anymore? > > Again, the power of the press. > > Fact is you are a kook who, for some odd reason, is obsessed with > alt.usenet.kooks which is why you started the xposts there. > > Odd behavior for sure, but then so is an obsession with Star Wars. > Right OB_Bloaty_One? "I am NOT a ko0k!" -- Rick Sabian's Allstar Canadian Assworm Zydeco Band
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| From | buzzard <buzz@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2016-04-16 03:06 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <5711e47f$0$27660$c3e8da3$fdf4f6af@news.astraweb.com> |
| In reply to | #350261 |
On 4/16/2016 2:48 AM, Rick Sabian's Allstar Canadian Assworm Zydeco Band wrote: <..> > "I am NOT a ko0k!" > Tricky Dicky. (Rick) -- buZZard, AUK DoW #7
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| From | Rick Sabian's Allstar Canadian Assworm Zydeco Band <Lunatic.Fringe@The.Edge> |
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| Date | 2016-04-16 00:19 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <MPG.317b875f7ae2e11f98ce60@news.altopia.com> |
| In reply to | #350263 |
In article <5711e47f$0$27660$c3e8da3$fdf4f6af@news.astraweb.com>, buzz@nospam.invalid says... > > On 4/16/2016 2:48 AM, Rick Sabian's Allstar Canadian Assworm Zydeco Band > wrote: > <..> > > "I am NOT a ko0k!" > > > Tricky Dicky. (Rick) My name ees Mustaffa Sheboygan. I am from France. -- Rick Sabian's Allstar Canadian Assworm Zydeco Band
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| From | buzzard <buzz@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2016-04-16 03:26 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <5711e930$0$23258$b1db1813$65575428@news.astraweb.com> |
| In reply to | #350264 |
On 4/16/2016 3:19 AM, Rick Sabian's Allstar Canadian Assworm Zydeco Band wrote: > In article <5711e47f$0$27660$c3e8da3$fdf4f6af@news.astraweb.com>, > buzz@nospam.invalid says... > > >> >> On 4/16/2016 2:48 AM, Rick Sabian's Allstar Canadian Assworm Zydeco Band >> wrote: >> <..> >>> "I am NOT a ko0k!" >>> >> Tricky Dicky. (Rick) > > My name ees Mustaffa Sheboygan. I am from France. > Well, when the President does it that means that it is not illegal. Tricky Dicky - May 19, 1977
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| From | Omar <omarsayeed@linuxmail.org> |
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| Date | 2016-04-16 09:06 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <netd61$nsj$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #350264 |
On Sat, 16 Apr 2016 00:19:32 -0700, Rick Sabian's Allstar Canadian Assworm Zydeco Band wrote: > In article <5711e47f$0$27660$c3e8da3$fdf4f6af@news.astraweb.com>, > buzz@nospam.invalid says... > > >> >> On 4/16/2016 2:48 AM, Rick Sabian's Allstar Canadian Assworm Zydeco Band >> wrote: >> <..> >>> "I am NOT a ko0k!" >>> >> Tricky Dicky. (Rick) > > My name ees Mustaffa Sheboygan. I am from France. You ever listen to Buckwheat Zydeco?
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| From | chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2016-04-18 08:14 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <3mm9hbdsb5ea0mmhin4gguhige7ns1j23u@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #350233 |
vallor wrote: > I've been having a pleasant evening gardening. > >You, on the other hand, were just faced with your life being turned >upside-down. That OK with the troll, because everything is upside-down, in their world. Take the Ezekreep, who quotes me saying 100% correct, and proven correct, statements in his sig, as if this should somehow embarrass me. That tells you a lot, when that's the best that he can do, to attack me. -- "It's the presence of negative feedback that maintains the stability." - trolling fsckwit "Ezekiel", putting his ignorance on display
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| From | Nadegda <nad318b404@gmail.invalid> |
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| Date | 2016-04-16 09:41 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <net1c4$819$11@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #350218 |
On Sat, 16 Apr 2016 02:54:10 +0000, vallor wrote: > On Sat, 16 Apr 2016 02:42:02 +0000, owl wrote: > >> vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> wrote: >>> On Sat, 16 Apr 2016 02:19:48 +0000, owl wrote: >>> >>>> vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> wrote: >>>>> You know, this _is_ a "big 8" newsgroup. Some news admins take big >>>>> 8 group charters more seriously than an alt.* group charter. >>>>> >>>>> What would happen if folks who wanted to clean up the group went >>>>> full-on netcop on the troll's kkkreepy asses? >>>>> >>>>> I suspect there is not the political will to commit to such a course >>>>> of action, but thought I'd bring it up, if only to troll the trolls. >>>>> Ha! >>>>> >>>>> >>>> Are you trying for kook of the month yourself? >>> >>> I don't follow, please explain yourself. >>> >>> >> Well, I haven't looked at AUK in about 15 years, but back then it was >> always one netcop or another getting the awards. Have things changed? > > There is some of that, but there also has to be an element of > kookishness. > > Like Wollmann. He was always netkkkopping...and would get more and more > frustrated when people didn't take him seriously. Once was in regard to > the famous "pantihed" banner ad, with him wearing a badly 'shopped pair > of panties on his head. Ah, memories. There will always be another Wollmann. In fact, there has been a murphy: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/comp.lang.lisp/s40UEbEFHTo/ ViTFKucaxoQJ Netkkkopping: check. Rant when nobody would take him seriously: check. Kooky: Ohhh yes indeed, my friend, spamming out a dozen copies of the above, each crossposted to three or four groups, and full of goofy spelling and grammar errors as well as all manner of crazy. That's the same kook now posting in afn as TOSEM, by the way. He's been reduced from the goofy but relatively legible blather in the 2011 post archived above to the drooling, frothing lunatic that is writing TOSEM's barely-legible dribbles in 2016. Five short years and he's become one of the meltiest kooks in the history of melty kooks. All because NSP admins refuse to the last one to TOS a net.dead ghost that already doesn't post through any of their servers. <snicker> > But no, I don't think there's anything particularly kooky about opening > a discussion of enforcing a big-8 group's charter. A serious argument > could be had one way or the other. > > But if it were an alt.* group, that would probably be cuckoo. With the state of usenet these days, it's likely cuckoo anyway. What will decide your fate vis-a-vis kook awards is how you take it if you try and fail: will you accept it and move on, and be judged sane, or get increasingly melty like Wollmann and Murphy and win that KotM? (Murphy eventually won several, and his subsequent meltdowns in AUK were so spectacular he won Kook of the Year 2012 as well.) > Finally, I'll point out that vv down there vv in the snubbery, you'll > find one of the longest-standing trolls in the group responded with > threats. > > Must've put the fear of God in him -- and he wears his fear on his > sleeve. That's always a good sign of a candidate for Coward of the Month. Think you can get him to xpost into AUK?
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| From | Omar <omarsayeed@linuxmail.org> |
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| Date | 2016-04-15 22:48 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <nes90b$iif$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #350213 |
On 16 Apr 2016 02:37:12 GMT, vallor wrote: > On Sat, 16 Apr 2016 02:19:48 +0000, owl wrote: > >> vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> wrote: >>> You know, this _is_ a "big 8" newsgroup. Some news admins take big 8 >>> group charters more seriously than an alt.* group charter. >>> >>> What would happen if folks who wanted to clean up the group went >>> full-on netcop on the troll's kkkreepy asses? >>> >>> I suspect there is not the political will to commit to such a course of >>> action, but thought I'd bring it up, if only to troll the trolls. Ha! >>> >>> >> Are you trying for kook of the month yourself? > > I don't follow, please explain yourself. Loser netkops frequently win.
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| From | Ron House <rhouse@smartchat.net.au> |
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| Date | 2016-04-16 15:35 +1000 |
| Message-ID | <5711CF37.3050305@smartchat.net.au> |
| In reply to | #350189 |
On 16/04/16 11:41, vallor wrote: > ObLinuxMetaNote: I format the Obligatory Linux(tm) man pages with a > terminal width of 65. If that doesn't work for some folks, I can make it > smaller. The linux man pages on my machine are whatever width my window is. Didn't do anything to get it that way, it just works out of the box. So I have no idea what you are trying to imply with the above remark. -- Ron House Building Peace: http://peacelegacy.org Australian Birds: http://wingedhearts.org Principle of Goodness academic site: http://principleofgoodness.net
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| From | vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> |
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| Date | 2016-04-16 15:26 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <dnf3stFddd5U25@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #350254 |
On Sat, 16 Apr 2016 15:35:51 +1000, Ron House wrote:
> On 16/04/16 11:41, vallor wrote:
>
>> ObLinuxMetaNote: I format the Obligatory Linux(tm) man pages with a
>> terminal width of 65. If that doesn't work for some folks, I can make
>> it smaller.
>
> The linux man pages on my machine are whatever width my window is.
> Didn't do anything to get it that way, it just works out of the box. So
> I have no idea what you are trying to imply with the above remark.
I'll explain.
In the far reaches of the USENET of yore, people would want to discuss
this and that in a newsgroup with a specific topic. In order for the
post to remain "on topic", they would include and "obligatory" bit of
text that might be of interest to the newsgroup.
That part of the post would be labeled "ObX", where "X" is the topic.
"Ob" is short for "obligatory".
So I have, from time to time, posted an "ObLinux", usually (but not
always) with the man page of something people may not have known resides
on their systems. I've also done it for useful software that people may
not realize is available for Linux. This keeps the post on-topic -- and
furthermore, annoys the hell out of creepy trolls.
When I post the man page sections, I format them with a 65-character
width, which has been a good value for posting fully-justified text to
Usenet.
ObLinux:
ZGZ(1) zgz ZGZ(1)
NAME
zgz - Frankenstein's compressor
SYNOPSIS
zgz [options] < file > file.gz
DESCRIPTION
This program is an unholy combination of the BSD gzip
program, a modified GNU gzip that supports setting an
arbitrary file name and timestamp, and an old, rotting
version of bzip2 that we dug up somewhere at midnight.
Only the bits to do with file compression were kept.
There are many arcane options which aid pristine-gz(1)
in re-animating files. Use --help to see all the gory
details.
--
-v
"Desktops, workstations and servers are and Microsoft
is doing very well. AS well as Linux." -"Slimer"
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| From | Omar <omarsayeed@linuxmail.org> |
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| Date | 2016-04-16 11:35 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <netltp$l5h$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #350324 |
On 16 Apr 2016 15:26:21 GMT, vallor wrote: > On Sat, 16 Apr 2016 15:35:51 +1000, Ron House wrote: > >> On 16/04/16 11:41, vallor wrote: >> >>> ObLinuxMetaNote: I format the Obligatory Linux(tm) man pages with a >>> terminal width of 65. If that doesn't work for some folks, I can make >>> it smaller. >> >> The linux man pages on my machine are whatever width my window is. >> Didn't do anything to get it that way, it just works out of the box. So >> I have no idea what you are trying to imply with the above remark. > > I'll explain. > > In the far reaches of the USENET of yore, people would want to discuss > this and that in a newsgroup with a specific topic. In order for the > post to remain "on topic", they would include and "obligatory" bit of > text that might be of interest to the newsgroup. > > That part of the post would be labeled "ObX", where "X" is the topic. > "Ob" is short for "obligatory". > > So I have, from time to time, posted an "ObLinux", usually (but not > always) with the man page of something people may not have known resides > on their systems. I've also done it for useful software that people may > not realize is available for Linux. This keeps the post on-topic -- and > furthermore, annoys the hell out of creepy trolls. > > When I post the man page sections, I format them with a 65-character > width, which has been a good value for posting fully-justified text to > Usenet. > > ObLinux: > > ZGZ(1) zgz ZGZ(1) > > NAME > zgz - Frankenstein's compressor > > SYNOPSIS > zgz [options] < file > file.gz > > DESCRIPTION > This program is an unholy combination of the BSD gzip > program, a modified GNU gzip that supports setting an > arbitrary file name and timestamp, and an old, rotting > version of bzip2 that we dug up somewhere at midnight. > Only the bits to do with file compression were kept. > > There are many arcane options which aid pristine-gz(1) > in re-animating files. Use --help to see all the gory > details. Is it over? Wake me up when it is.
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| From | John Gohde <john.h.gohde@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-04-16 07:09 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <372d6e73-4dba-4494-b55e-02ac86e58b14@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #350189 |
On Friday, April 15, 2016 at 9:41:13 PM UTC-4, vallor wrote: > You know, this _is_ a "big 8" newsgroup. Some news admins take big 8 > group charters more seriously than an alt.* group charter. > > What would happen if folks who wanted to clean up the group went full-on > netcop on the troll's kkkreepy asses? > > I suspect there is not the political will to commit to such a course of > action, but thought I'd bring it up, if only to troll the trolls. Ha! > > ObLinuxMetaNote: I format the Obligatory Linux(tm) man pages with a > terminal width of 65. If that doesn't work for some folks, I can make it > smaller. > > ObLinux: > $ man tcpdmatch > TCPDMATCH(8) System Manager's Manual TCPDMATCH(8) > > NAME > tcpdmatch - tcp wrapper oracle > [...] > vallor should be the first cretin to be kicked off COLA. What a fool that vallor be.
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