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  Steam Machines, another example of Linux inferiority Me Sham <osirus47@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-07 17:13 -0700
    Re: Steam Machines, alpha products need further development, shocker Homer <usenet@slated.org> - 2016-04-08 01:47 +0100
      Re: Steam Machines, alpha products need further development, shocker Me Sham <osirus47@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-07 17:57 -0700
        Microsoft: Champions of viruses and spyware Homer <usenet@slated.org> - 2016-04-08 04:47 +0100
          Microsoft: Champions of viruses and spyware Me Sham <osirus47@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-07 21:17 -0700
          Re: Microsoft: Champions of viruses and spyware DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-04-08 11:28 -0400
            Re: Microsoft: Champions of viruses and spyware Me Sham <osirus47@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-08 08:47 -0700
            Re: Microsoft: Champions of viruses and spyware Omar <omarsayeed@linuxmail.org> - 2016-04-08 11:57 -0400
              Re: Microsoft: Champions of viruses and spyware Me Sham <osirus47@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-08 09:38 -0700
                Re: Microsoft: Champions of viruses and spyware Omar <omarsayeed@linuxmail.org> - 2016-04-08 12:58 -0400
                  Re: Microsoft: Champions of viruses and spyware JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> - 2016-04-12 12:43 -0500
              Re: Microsoft: Champions of viruses and spyware JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> - 2016-04-12 12:42 -0500
                Re: Microsoft: Champions of viruses and spyware Me Sham <osirus47@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-12 11:14 -0700
      Re: Steam Machines, alpha products need further development, shocker JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> - 2016-04-12 12:40 -0500

#348916 — Steam Machines, another example of Linux inferiority

http://www.tomsguide.com/us/steam-machines-dead-on-arrival,news-21818.html

"Testing the system's game performance revealed not only that SteamOS consistently delivered lower frames than Windows 10, but that there was a significant frame rate gap as well."

SteamOS, a Linux distro build specifically for gaming and nothing else, still loses to Windows 10 - a general purpose OS.

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#348921 — Re: Steam Machines, alpha products need further development, shocker

On Friday 08/04/2016 1:13 AM, Me Sham wrote:
> http://www.tomsguide.com/us/steam-machines-dead-on-arrival,news-21818.html
> 
> "Testing the system's game performance revealed not only that SteamOS consistently delivered lower frames than Windows 10, but that there was a significant frame rate gap as well."
> 
> SteamOS, a Linux distro build specifically for gaming and nothing else, still loses to Windows 10 - a general purpose OS.
> 

"early testing ... synthetic benchmarks ... the games Ars used in their
testing are ports"

Etc.

Meanwhile: http://bfy.tw/59rf

So systems in the early stages of development have performance issues?
Shocking.

-- 
K.
http://slated.org

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#348922 — Re: Steam Machines, alpha products need further development, shocker

On Thursday, April 7, 2016 at 7:47:40 PM UTC-5, Homer wrote:
> So systems in the early stages of development have performance issues?
> Shocking.

Oops, this was done the same month Steam Machines went on sale commercially.

Linux products get sold while they are still in the early stages of development? How unethical. No wonder they are a total commercial flop.

Windows 10. Champion over Linux gaming.

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#348925 — Microsoft: Champions of viruses and spyware

On Friday 08/04/2016 1:57 AM, Me Sham wrote:
> On Thursday, April 7, 2016 at 7:47:40 PM UTC-5, Homer wrote:
>> So systems in the early stages of development have performance issues?
>> Shocking.
> 
> Oops, this was done the same month Steam Machines went on sale commercially.

Except those weren't actually the machines being tested:

"To start our tests, we dragged out the dual-boot SteamOS/Windows
machine we first built nearly two years ago ... The hardware on that
bare bones machine is a little out of date now"

http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2015/11/ars-benchmarks-show-significant-performance-hit-for-steamos-gaming/

Maybe you should try actually reading the articles you're commenting on,
before attempting to use them as the basis for your propaganda.

> Linux products get sold while they are still in the early stages of development? How unethical.

The "early access" business model is now very common, as I'm sure
Microsoft would agree, given that this is exactly what it's done with
Windows 10. Whether or not it qualifies as "ethical" depends on your
priorities: early access to unstable, in-development products, or a long
wait for stable, finalised products.

At least early access to SteamOS is purely voluntary, whereas Microsoft
seems to be delivering Windows 10 like a virus to its unwilling and
unsuspecting victims.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/03/17/microsoft_windows_10_upgrade_gwx_vs_humanity

There's even an antivirus tool to remove it:

http://ultimateoutsider.com/downloads

But should you decide to keep the Windows 10 virus, at the very least
you should probably remove Microsoft's spyware:

http://bgr.com/2015/08/14/windows-10-spying-prevention-privacy-tools

> Windows 10. Champion...

Of viruses and spyware, apparently.

-- 
K.
http://slated.org

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#348927 — Microsoft: Champions of viruses and spyware

Hilarious Linux bullshit. Steam Machines are a monumental flop, but try telling yourselves otherwise to help you sleep at night.

Windows 10, higher framerates and better performance than a Linux build made specifically for gaming. How embarassing for you Linux losers.

Linux gaming. Classic oxymoron.

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#348987 — Re: Microsoft: Champions of viruses and spyware

On 4/7/2016 11:47 PM, Homer wrote:
> On Friday 08/04/2016 1:57 AM, Me Sham wrote:
>> On Thursday, April 7, 2016 at 7:47:40 PM UTC-5, Homer wrote:
>>> So systems in the early stages of development have performance issues?
>>> Shocking.
>>
>> Oops, this was done the same month Steam Machines went on sale commercially.
>
> Except those weren't actually the machines being tested:
>
> "To start our tests, we dragged out the dual-boot SteamOS/Windows
> machine we first built nearly two years ago ... The hardware on that
> bare bones machine is a little out of date now"
>
> http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2015/11/ars-benchmarks-show-significant-performance-hit-for-steamos-gaming/
>
> Maybe you should try actually reading the articles you're commenting on,
> before attempting to use them as the basis for your propaganda.


You snipped, Hypocrite:  "...and got all the operating systems and 
drivers up to date."

Maybe YOU should try and quote the article before lying.

They tested 2 year old hardware with the latest software, which is 
better than most people have.

And Linux lost.

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#348994 — Re: Microsoft: Champions of viruses and spyware

On Friday, April 8, 2016 at 10:28:48 AM UTC-5, DFS wrote:
> On 4/7/2016 11:47 PM, Homer wrote:
> > On Friday 08/04/2016 1:57 AM, Me Sham wrote:
> >> On Thursday, April 7, 2016 at 7:47:40 PM UTC-5, Homer wrote:
> >>> So systems in the early stages of development have performance issues?
> >>> Shocking.
> >>
> >> Oops, this was done the same month Steam Machines went on sale commercially.
> >
> > Except those weren't actually the machines being tested:
> >
> > "To start our tests, we dragged out the dual-boot SteamOS/Windows
> > machine we first built nearly two years ago ... The hardware on that
> > bare bones machine is a little out of date now"
> >
> > http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2015/11/ars-benchmarks-show-significant-performance-hit-for-steamos-gaming/
> >
> > Maybe you should try actually reading the articles you're commenting on,
> > before attempting to use them as the basis for your propaganda.
> 
> 
> You snipped, Hypocrite:  "...and got all the operating systems and 
> drivers up to date."
> 
> Maybe YOU should try and quote the article before lying.
> 
> They tested 2 year old hardware with the latest software, which is 
> better than most people have.
> 
> And Linux lost.

2 year old hardware is pretty standard for a gaming PC nowadays. It isn't 2001 anymore. CPUs have only marginally improved since Sandy Bridge and GPUs are on 2 year old architectures right now anyway until Polaris and Pascal come out.

The point is that on the same exact hardware Windows 10 (A general purpose OS) achieved over 50% higher framerates than SteamOS (A Linux OS build SPECIFICALLY for gaming). That's just fucking tragic. After seeing those numbers is no mystery why Steam machines have been a commercial failure and why Linux gaming continues to be an oxymoron.

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#348998 — Re: Microsoft: Champions of viruses and spyware

On Fri, 8 Apr 2016 11:28:41 -0400, DFS wrote:

> On 4/7/2016 11:47 PM, Homer wrote:
>> On Friday 08/04/2016 1:57 AM, Me Sham wrote:
>>> On Thursday, April 7, 2016 at 7:47:40 PM UTC-5, Homer wrote:
>>>> So systems in the early stages of development have performance issues?
>>>> Shocking.
>>>
>>> Oops, this was done the same month Steam Machines went on sale commercially.
>>
>> Except those weren't actually the machines being tested:
>>
>> "To start our tests, we dragged out the dual-boot SteamOS/Windows
>> machine we first built nearly two years ago ... The hardware on that
>> bare bones machine is a little out of date now"
>>
>> http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2015/11/ars-benchmarks-show-significant-performance-hit-for-steamos-gaming/
>>
>> Maybe you should try actually reading the articles you're commenting on,
>> before attempting to use them as the basis for your propaganda.
> 
> 
> You snipped, Hypocrite:  "...and got all the operating systems and 
> drivers up to date."
> 
> Maybe YOU should try and quote the article before lying.
> 
> They tested 2 year old hardware with the latest software, which is 
> better than most people have.
> 
> And Linux lost.

Linux gaming fails for one reason which is Linux users are too cheap
and too few to pay for the games. 

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#349023 — Re: Microsoft: Champions of viruses and spyware

On Friday, April 8, 2016 at 10:57:46 AM UTC-5, Omar wrote:
> On Fri, 8 Apr 2016 11:28:41 -0400, DFS wrote:
> 
> > On 4/7/2016 11:47 PM, Homer wrote:
> >> On Friday 08/04/2016 1:57 AM, Me Sham wrote:
> >>> On Thursday, April 7, 2016 at 7:47:40 PM UTC-5, Homer wrote:
> >>>> So systems in the early stages of development have performance issues?
> >>>> Shocking.
> >>>
> >>> Oops, this was done the same month Steam Machines went on sale commercially.
> >>
> >> Except those weren't actually the machines being tested:
> >>
> >> "To start our tests, we dragged out the dual-boot SteamOS/Windows
> >> machine we first built nearly two years ago ... The hardware on that
> >> bare bones machine is a little out of date now"
> >>
> >> http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2015/11/ars-benchmarks-show-significant-performance-hit-for-steamos-gaming/
> >>
> >> Maybe you should try actually reading the articles you're commenting on,
> >> before attempting to use them as the basis for your propaganda.
> > 
> > 
> > You snipped, Hypocrite:  "...and got all the operating systems and 
> > drivers up to date."
> > 
> > Maybe YOU should try and quote the article before lying.
> > 
> > They tested 2 year old hardware with the latest software, which is 
> > better than most people have.
> > 
> > And Linux lost.
> 
> Linux gaming fails for one reason which is Linux users are too cheap
> and too few to pay for the games.

Exactly. You even have their "leaders" like that disgusting lump of hair-flesh Richard Stallman telling them not to buy games on Linux because "muh free software".

You think top-tier game developers are going to spend $50-100 million developing a game for a platform where all of its 200 users expect to get everything for free?

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#349026 — Re: Microsoft: Champions of viruses and spyware

On Fri, 8 Apr 2016 09:38:53 -0700 (PDT), Me Sham wrote:

> On Friday, April 8, 2016 at 10:57:46 AM UTC-5, Omar wrote:
>> On Fri, 8 Apr 2016 11:28:41 -0400, DFS wrote:
>> 
>>> On 4/7/2016 11:47 PM, Homer wrote:
>>>> On Friday 08/04/2016 1:57 AM, Me Sham wrote:
>>>>> On Thursday, April 7, 2016 at 7:47:40 PM UTC-5, Homer wrote:
>>>>>> So systems in the early stages of development have performance issues?
>>>>>> Shocking.
>>>>>
>>>>> Oops, this was done the same month Steam Machines went on sale commercially.
>>>>
>>>> Except those weren't actually the machines being tested:
>>>>
>>>> "To start our tests, we dragged out the dual-boot SteamOS/Windows
>>>> machine we first built nearly two years ago ... The hardware on that
>>>> bare bones machine is a little out of date now"
>>>>
>>>> http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2015/11/ars-benchmarks-show-significant-performance-hit-for-steamos-gaming/
>>>>
>>>> Maybe you should try actually reading the articles you're commenting on,
>>>> before attempting to use them as the basis for your propaganda.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> You snipped, Hypocrite:  "...and got all the operating systems and 
>>> drivers up to date."
>>> 
>>> Maybe YOU should try and quote the article before lying.
>>> 
>>> They tested 2 year old hardware with the latest software, which is 
>>> better than most people have.
>>> 
>>> And Linux lost.
>> 
>> Linux gaming fails for one reason which is Linux users are too cheap
>> and too few to pay for the games.
> 
> Exactly. You even have their "leaders" like that disgusting lump of
> hair-flesh Richard Stallman telling them not to buy games on Linux
> because "muh free software". 
> 
> You think top-tier game developers are going to spend $50-100
> million developing a game for a platform where all of its 200 users
> expect to get everything for free?

They, the Linux users, certainly are a sick bunch.

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#349557 — Re: Microsoft: Champions of viruses and spyware

On 2016-04-08, Omar <omarsayeed@linuxmail.org> wrote:
> On Fri, 8 Apr 2016 09:38:53 -0700 (PDT), Me Sham wrote:
>
>> On Friday, April 8, 2016 at 10:57:46 AM UTC-5, Omar wrote:
>>> On Fri, 8 Apr 2016 11:28:41 -0400, DFS wrote:
>>> 
>>>> On 4/7/2016 11:47 PM, Homer wrote:
>>>>> On Friday 08/04/2016 1:57 AM, Me Sham wrote:
>>>>>> On Thursday, April 7, 2016 at 7:47:40 PM UTC-5, Homer wrote:
>>>>>>> So systems in the early stages of development have performance issues?
>>>>>>> Shocking.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Oops, this was done the same month Steam Machines went on sale commercially.
>>>>>
>>>>> Except those weren't actually the machines being tested:
>>>>>
>>>>> "To start our tests, we dragged out the dual-boot SteamOS/Windows
>>>>> machine we first built nearly two years ago ... The hardware on that
>>>>> bare bones machine is a little out of date now"
>>>>>
>>>>> http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2015/11/ars-benchmarks-show-significant-performance-hit-for-steamos-gaming/
>>>>>
>>>>> Maybe you should try actually reading the articles you're commenting on,
>>>>> before attempting to use them as the basis for your propaganda.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> You snipped, Hypocrite:  "...and got all the operating systems and 
>>>> drivers up to date."
>>>> 
>>>> Maybe YOU should try and quote the article before lying.
>>>> 
>>>> They tested 2 year old hardware with the latest software, which is 
>>>> better than most people have.
>>>> 
>>>> And Linux lost.
>>> 
>>> Linux gaming fails for one reason which is Linux users are too cheap
>>> and too few to pay for the games.
>> 
>> Exactly. You even have their "leaders" like that disgusting lump of
>> hair-flesh Richard Stallman telling them not to buy games on Linux
>> because "muh free software". 
>> 
>> You think top-tier game developers are going to spend $50-100
>> million developing a game for a platform where all of its 200 users
>> expect to get everything for free?
>
> They, the Linux users, certainly are a sick bunch.

   Your little circle jerk doesn't alter the fact that you're all just
engaging in self-made fantasies.

   Meanwhile, in the real world, the people that actually matter think and
act contrary to your nonsense.

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#349564 — Re: Microsoft: Champions of viruses and spyware

On 2016-04-08, Omar <omarsayeed@linuxmail.org> wrote:
> On Fri, 8 Apr 2016 11:28:41 -0400, DFS wrote:
>
>> On 4/7/2016 11:47 PM, Homer wrote:
>>> On Friday 08/04/2016 1:57 AM, Me Sham wrote:
>>>> On Thursday, April 7, 2016 at 7:47:40 PM UTC-5, Homer wrote:
>>>>> So systems in the early stages of development have performance issues?
>>>>> Shocking.

[deletia]

>> They tested 2 year old hardware with the latest software, which is 
>> better than most people have.
>> 
>> And Linux lost.
>
> Linux gaming fails for one reason which is Linux users are too cheap
> and too few to pay for the games. 

   Nope. The Humble Bundle disproved that quite some time ago.

   Although this is ultimately up to the people that actual make stuff.

   Sad little trolls don't count. They never did.

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#349570 — Re: Microsoft: Champions of viruses and spyware

On Tuesday, April 12, 2016 at 1:00:19 PM UTC-5, JEDIDIAH wrote:
>    Nope. The Humble Bundle disproved that quite some time ago.
> 
>    Although this is ultimately up to the people that actual make stuff.
> 
>    Sad little trolls don't count. They never did.

Humble Bundle. Where Linux gamers wait until they can get games for 50 cents before they will buy them.

That kind of shit isn't going to fund development, which is why most popular games have no Linux release.

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#349566 — Re: Steam Machines, alpha products need further development, shocker

On 2016-04-08, Homer <usenet@slated.org> wrote:
> On Friday 08/04/2016 1:13 AM, Me Sham wrote:
>> http://www.tomsguide.com/us/steam-machines-dead-on-arrival,news-21818.html
>> 
>> "Testing the system's game performance revealed not only that SteamOS consistently delivered lower frames than Windows 10, but that there was a significant frame rate gap as well."
>> 
>> SteamOS, a Linux distro build specifically for gaming and nothing else, still loses to Windows 10 - a general purpose OS.
>> 
>
> "early testing ... synthetic benchmarks ... the games Ars used in their
> testing are ports"

   Steam machines are just PCs.

   They're just hardware.

   Calling steam machines "alpha products" is just moronic.

   The troll has missed his target due to incompetence unbecoming of an actual
Arch user.

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