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| Started by | Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> |
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| First post | 2015-09-02 03:00 +0200 |
| Last post | 2015-09-01 18:46 -0700 |
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Better breakdown of OS/browser share Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2015-09-02 03:00 +0200
Re: Better breakdown of OS/browser share owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-09-02 01:35 +0000
Re: Better breakdown of OS/browser share "A.M" <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-09-02 09:11 -0400
Re: Better breakdown of OS/browser share owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-09-02 14:52 +0000
Re: Better breakdown of OS/browser share Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2015-09-02 16:53 +0200
Re: Better breakdown of OS/browser share "A.M" <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-09-02 11:43 -0400
Re: Better breakdown of OS/browser share Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-09-02 17:53 +0200
Re: Better breakdown of OS/browser share owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-09-02 15:59 +0000
Re: Better breakdown of OS/browser share Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2015-09-02 18:07 +0200
Re: Better breakdown of OS/browser share "A.M" <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-09-02 13:10 -0400
Re: Better breakdown of OS/browser share owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-09-02 17:16 +0000
Re: Better breakdown of OS/browser share "A.M" <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-09-02 13:20 -0400
Re: Better breakdown of OS/browser share owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-09-02 17:24 +0000
Re: Better breakdown of OS/browser share Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-09-02 19:17 +0200
Re: Better breakdown of OS/browser share chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-09-02 11:21 -0500
Re: Better breakdown of OS/browser share ronb <ronbNOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2015-09-02 16:36 +0000
Re: Better breakdown of OS/browser share owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-09-02 15:56 +0000
Re: Better breakdown of OS/browser share Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2015-09-02 18:05 +0200
Re: Better breakdown of OS/browser share DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-09-02 20:46 -0400
Re: Better breakdown of OS/browser share "A.M" <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-09-03 09:08 -0400
Re: Better breakdown of OS/browser share Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2015-09-03 15:53 +0200
Re: Better breakdown of OS/browser share chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-09-03 09:08 -0500
Re: Better breakdown of OS/browser share DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-09-03 10:24 -0400
DumFSck's idiocy chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-09-03 09:40 -0500
Re: DumFSck's idiocy Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-09-03 15:02 +0000
Re: Better breakdown of OS/browser share GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-09-03 12:28 -0600
Re: Better breakdown of OS/browser share Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2015-09-04 00:24 +0200
Re: Better breakdown of OS/browser share "A.M" <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-09-02 13:09 -0400
Re: Better breakdown of OS/browser share owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-09-02 17:22 +0000
Re: Better breakdown of OS/browser share "A.M" <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-09-02 17:45 -0400
Re: Better breakdown of OS/browser share owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-09-03 10:03 +0000
Re: Better breakdown of OS/browser share "A.M" <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-09-03 09:17 -0400
Re: Better breakdown of OS/browser share owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-09-03 13:35 +0000
Re: Better breakdown of OS/browser share "A.M" <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-09-03 10:42 -0400
Re: Better breakdown of OS/browser share owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-09-03 15:25 +0000
Re: Better breakdown of OS/browser share "A.M" <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-09-03 12:55 -0400
Re: Better breakdown of OS/browser share Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-09-03 09:31 -0700
Re: Better breakdown of OS/browser share Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-09-03 16:42 +0000
Re: Better breakdown of OS/browser share DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-09-03 09:26 -0400
Re: Better breakdown of OS/browser share "A.M" <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-09-03 10:39 -0400
Re: Better breakdown of OS/browser share Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-09-03 15:04 +0000
Re: Better breakdown of OS/browser share "A.M" <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-09-03 12:52 -0400
Re: Better breakdown of OS/browser share Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-09-03 17:02 +0000
Re: Better breakdown of OS/browser share "A.M" <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-09-03 17:00 -0400
Re: Better breakdown of OS/browser share "A.M" <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-09-03 20:56 -0400
Re: Better breakdown of OS/browser share DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-09-04 08:53 -0400
Re: Better breakdown of OS/browser share "A.M" <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-09-04 10:20 -0400
Re: Better breakdown of OS/browser share cc <scatnubbs@hotmail.com> - 2015-09-04 07:39 -0700
Re: Better breakdown of OS/browser share "A.M" <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-09-04 10:49 -0400
Re: Better breakdown of OS/browser share cc <scatnubbs@hotmail.com> - 2015-09-04 08:55 -0700
Re: Better breakdown of OS/browser share Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-09-04 09:19 -0700
Re: Better breakdown of OS/browser share "A.M" <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-09-04 12:58 -0400
Re: Better breakdown of OS/browser share Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-09-04 10:11 -0700
Re: Better breakdown of OS/browser share "A.M" <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-09-04 12:57 -0400
Re: Better breakdown of OS/browser share Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-09-04 10:03 -0700
Re: Better breakdown of OS/browser share "A.M" <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-09-04 15:44 -0400
Re: Better breakdown of OS/browser share Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-09-04 19:50 +0000
Re: Better breakdown of OS/browser share Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-09-04 12:58 -0700
Re: Better breakdown of OS/browser share Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-09-04 20:11 +0000
Re: Better breakdown of OS/browser share Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-09-04 13:17 -0700
Re: Better breakdown of OS/browser share Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-09-04 20:27 +0000
Re: Better breakdown of OS/browser share Hoppy Hopkins <hopster86u4me@surferb.net> - 2015-09-04 18:28 -0400
Re: Better breakdown of OS/browser share Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2015-09-04 13:21 -0700
Re: Better breakdown of OS/browser share Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-09-04 20:33 +0000
Re: Better breakdown of OS/browser share Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2015-09-04 13:46 -0700
Re: Better breakdown of OS/browser share Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2015-09-04 14:49 -0700
Re: Better breakdown of OS/browser share Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2015-09-04 16:34 -0700
Re: Better breakdown of OS/browser share Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2015-09-04 16:37 -0700
Re: Better breakdown of OS/browser share DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-09-04 20:18 -0400
Re: Better breakdown of OS/browser share Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2015-09-04 17:40 -0700
Re: Better breakdown of OS/browser share "A.M" <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-09-04 21:18 -0400
Re: Better breakdown of OS/browser share "A.M" <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-09-05 09:53 -0400
Re: Better breakdown of OS/browser share Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-09-05 11:11 -0700
Re: Better breakdown of OS/browser share DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-09-05 10:21 -0400
Re: Better breakdown of OS/browser share Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2015-09-05 08:09 -0700
Re: Better breakdown of OS/browser share DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-09-05 11:42 -0400
Re: Better breakdown of OS/browser share Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2015-09-05 08:46 -0700
Re: Better breakdown of OS/browser share DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-09-05 11:54 -0400
Re: Better breakdown of OS/browser share "A.M" <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-09-05 16:05 -0400
Re: Better breakdown of OS/browser share hifye <hifye@humanoid.net> - 2015-09-05 11:58 -0400
Re: Better breakdown of OS/browser share Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-09-05 11:10 -0700
Re: Better breakdown of OS/browser share "A.M" <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-09-05 16:02 -0400
Re: Better breakdown of OS/browser share Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2015-09-05 14:20 -0700
Re: Better breakdown of OS/browser share "A.M" <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-09-05 16:00 -0400
Re: Better breakdown of OS/browser share -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2015-09-05 13:51 -0700
Re: Better breakdown of OS/browser share Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2015-09-05 14:12 -0700
Re: Better breakdown of OS/browser share Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2015-09-04 13:11 -0700
Re: Better breakdown of OS/browser share Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-09-04 20:20 +0000
Re: Better breakdown of OS/browser share Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-09-04 13:24 -0700
Re: Better breakdown of OS/browser share Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-09-04 20:30 +0000
Re: Better breakdown of OS/browser share Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2015-09-04 13:36 -0700
Re: Better breakdown of OS/browser share Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2015-09-04 13:28 -0700
Re: Better breakdown of OS/browser share Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-09-04 20:38 +0000
Re: Better breakdown of OS/browser share Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2015-09-04 13:49 -0700
Re: Better breakdown of OS/browser share Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-09-04 14:00 -0700
Re: Better breakdown of OS/browser share Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-09-04 12:56 -0700
Re: Better breakdown of OS/browser share "A.M" <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-09-04 16:29 -0400
Re: Better breakdown of OS/browser share Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-09-04 20:35 +0000
Re: Better breakdown of OS/browser share "A.M" <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-09-04 18:24 -0400
Re: Better breakdown of OS/browser share "A.M" <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-09-04 18:42 -0400
Re: Better breakdown of OS/browser share "A.M" <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-09-04 18:43 -0400
Re: Better breakdown of OS/browser share "A.M" <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-09-04 21:17 -0400
Re: Better breakdown of OS/browser share "A.M" <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-09-04 21:50 -0400
Re: Better breakdown of OS/browser share "A.M" <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-09-05 09:51 -0400
Re: Better breakdown of OS/browser share Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-09-05 10:12 -0700
Re: Better breakdown of OS/browser share Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2015-09-05 11:24 -0700
Re: Better breakdown of OS/browser share "A.M" <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-09-05 16:09 -0400
Re: Better breakdown of OS/browser share "A.M" <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-09-04 21:57 -0400
Re: Better breakdown of OS/browser share Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2015-09-04 14:28 -0700
Re: Better breakdown of OS/browser share cc <scatnubbs@hotmail.com> - 2015-09-10 05:16 -0700
Re: Better breakdown of OS/browser share "A.M" <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-09-10 10:26 -0400
Re: Better breakdown of OS/browser share "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2015-09-10 11:38 -0400
Re: Better breakdown of OS/browser share "A.M" <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-09-10 12:02 -0400
Re: Better breakdown of OS/browser share cc <scatnubbs@hotmail.com> - 2015-09-10 09:16 -0700
Re: Better breakdown of OS/browser share "A.M" <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-09-10 14:53 -0400
Re: Better breakdown of OS/browser share Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2015-09-01 18:46 -0700
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| From | Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-09-03 15:04 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <d4r5rpF71k4U2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #318796 |
On Thu, 03 Sep 2015 10:39:49 -0400, A.M wrote: > On 2015-09-03 9:26 AM, DFS wrote: >> On 9/2/2015 11:56 AM, owl wrote: >>> A.M <.m@nsn.s> wrote: >>>> On 2015-09-02 10:52 AM, owl wrote: >>>>> A.M <.m@nsn.s> wrote: >>>>>> On 2015-09-01 9:35 PM, owl wrote: >>>>>>> Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> It happened that I didn't catch all IE signatures so lot of that >>>>>>>> went to others. Now corrected. >>>>>>>> Better breakdown of OS'es too with introducing BlackBerry and >>>>>>>> ChromeOS share. >>>>>>>> Eliminated empty useragent strings from calculation. >>>>>>>> Also top 20 of "others" displayed. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Linux 284309 0.30 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Linux at 30 percent! Oo-rah! >>>>> >>>>>> Actually, it's less than 1%. >>>>> >>>>> Dude, in American math, 0.30 is 30 percent. Yes! >>> >>>> Actually no, it isn't. 0.30 is 30% of 1. The only way it represents >>>> 30% >>>> is it we've all come to the agreement that market share in general is >>>> represented by the number 1. >>> >>> Actually it is. America is number 1. >> >> Yes. > > Your cars are shit (ALL of them, only Buick manages even slightly > respectable reliability scores), your education system is shit, your > level of freedom is shit, your agricultural system is shit (GMO, > pesticides, crops doused in recycled oil water), your citizens are > mostly morons (Mark Dice keeps proving this) and your journalistic > freedom is shit as well. I'm not sure what you believe makes you guys > number 1. because we don't believe all that crap you just posted. -- Lloyd
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| From | "A.M" <.m@nsn.s> |
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| Date | 2015-09-03 12:52 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <ms9tp0$tla$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #318801 |
On 2015-09-03 11:04 AM, Lloyd Parsons wrote: > On Thu, 03 Sep 2015 10:39:49 -0400, A.M wrote: > >> On 2015-09-03 9:26 AM, DFS wrote: >>> On 9/2/2015 11:56 AM, owl wrote: >>>> A.M <.m@nsn.s> wrote: >>>>> On 2015-09-02 10:52 AM, owl wrote: >>>>>> A.M <.m@nsn.s> wrote: >>>>>>> On 2015-09-01 9:35 PM, owl wrote: >>>>>>>> Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> It happened that I didn't catch all IE signatures so lot of that >>>>>>>>> went to others. Now corrected. >>>>>>>>> Better breakdown of OS'es too with introducing BlackBerry and >>>>>>>>> ChromeOS share. >>>>>>>>> Eliminated empty useragent strings from calculation. >>>>>>>>> Also top 20 of "others" displayed. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Linux 284309 0.30 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Linux at 30 percent! Oo-rah! >>>>>> >>>>>>> Actually, it's less than 1%. >>>>>> >>>>>> Dude, in American math, 0.30 is 30 percent. Yes! >>>> >>>>> Actually no, it isn't. 0.30 is 30% of 1. The only way it represents >>>>> 30% >>>>> is it we've all come to the agreement that market share in general is >>>>> represented by the number 1. >>>> >>>> Actually it is. America is number 1. >>> >>> Yes. >> >> Your cars are shit (ALL of them, only Buick manages even slightly >> respectable reliability scores), your education system is shit, your >> level of freedom is shit, your agricultural system is shit (GMO, >> pesticides, crops doused in recycled oil water), your citizens are >> mostly morons (Mark Dice keeps proving this) and your journalistic >> freedom is shit as well. I'm not sure what you believe makes you guys >> number 1. > > because we don't believe all that crap you just posted. Let's prove them all then: Buick: <http://www.autosaur.com/most-reliable-cars/> Only Buick appears in the most reliable category. Education system: <http://www.ibtimes.com/us-17th-global-education-ranking-finland-south-korea-claim-top-spots-901538> (17th) Freedom level: <https://freedom.press/blog/2014/02/united-states-plummets-global-press-freedom-rankings> (46th) Agricultural system: GMO are already a well-known problem but you didn't know about recycled water being used for crops <http://www.vcstar.com/news/recycled-water-touted-for-landscaping-crops> <http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/09/130909104708.htm> Citizens being morons: <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wfSms5PUbo> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wfSms5PUbo> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYhTFz_SGw0> As for the journalists, their lack of freedom is the reason for the freedom level, but here's one article. <http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2012/01/09/homeland-security-monitoring-journalists/> I ALWAYS prove my points. -- A.M
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| From | Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-09-03 17:02 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <d4rcpiF8j96U2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #318818 |
On Thu, 03 Sep 2015 12:52:30 -0400, A.M wrote: > On 2015-09-03 11:04 AM, Lloyd Parsons wrote: >> On Thu, 03 Sep 2015 10:39:49 -0400, A.M wrote: >> >>> On 2015-09-03 9:26 AM, DFS wrote: >>>> On 9/2/2015 11:56 AM, owl wrote: >>>>> A.M <.m@nsn.s> wrote: >>>>>> On 2015-09-02 10:52 AM, owl wrote: >>>>>>> A.M <.m@nsn.s> wrote: >>>>>>>> On 2015-09-01 9:35 PM, owl wrote: >>>>>>>>> Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> It happened that I didn't catch all IE signatures so lot of >>>>>>>>>> that went to others. Now corrected. >>>>>>>>>> Better breakdown of OS'es too with introducing BlackBerry and >>>>>>>>>> ChromeOS share. >>>>>>>>>> Eliminated empty useragent strings from calculation. >>>>>>>>>> Also top 20 of "others" displayed. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Linux 284309 0.30 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Linux at 30 percent! Oo-rah! >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Actually, it's less than 1%. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Dude, in American math, 0.30 is 30 percent. Yes! >>>>> >>>>>> Actually no, it isn't. 0.30 is 30% of 1. The only way it represents >>>>>> 30% >>>>>> is it we've all come to the agreement that market share in general >>>>>> is represented by the number 1. >>>>> >>>>> Actually it is. America is number 1. >>>> >>>> Yes. >>> >>> Your cars are shit (ALL of them, only Buick manages even slightly >>> respectable reliability scores), your education system is shit, your >>> level of freedom is shit, your agricultural system is shit (GMO, >>> pesticides, crops doused in recycled oil water), your citizens are >>> mostly morons (Mark Dice keeps proving this) and your journalistic >>> freedom is shit as well. I'm not sure what you believe makes you guys >>> number 1. >> >> because we don't believe all that crap you just posted. > > Let's prove them all then: > > Buick: <http://www.autosaur.com/most-reliable-cars/> Only Buick appears > in the most reliable category. > A site I never heard of with a report based on Consumer Reports. Hardly a reliable source at all. CR has been jap happy for so many years that I often wonder why they don't just move to Tokyo! US cars these days are every bit as good or better than anything coming from foreign shores. And the reason is that ALL of them are sourcing parts internationally if not completely building them that way. > Education system: > <http://www.ibtimes.com/us-17th-global-education-ranking-finland-south- korea-claim-top-spots-901538> > (17th) > Much better source and yes US schools have issues. > Freedom level: > <https://freedom.press/blog/2014/02/united-states-plummets-global-press- freedom-rankings> > (46th) > Not a bad article though it is primarily made up of reporters opinions not necessarily all fact based. > Agricultural system: GMO are already a well-known problem but you didn't > know about recycled water being used for crops > <http://www.vcstar.com/news/recycled-water-touted-for-landscaping-crops> > <http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/09/130909104708.htm> > I have no problem with GMO even though most of Europe is horrified by it. When they start running out of food they will change that tune. As to recycled water, so what? No problem using that as far as I'm concerned. Hell they've been using recycled human shit all over the world for decades. > Citizens being morons: <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wfSms5PUbo> > <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wfSms5PUbo> > <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYhTFz_SGw0> > I won't even bother looking at what will be some really funny shit. > As for the journalists, their lack of freedom is the reason for the > freedom level, but here's one article. > <http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2012/01/09/homeland-security- monitoring-journalists/> > The Blaze?? You must be joking! > I ALWAYS prove my points. But not always very well.... :) -- Lloyd
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| From | "A.M" <.m@nsn.s> |
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| Date | 2015-09-03 17:00 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <msaca3$sdl$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #318827 |
On 2015-09-03 1:02 PM, Lloyd Parsons wrote: >>>> Your cars are shit (ALL of them, only Buick manages even slightly >>>> respectable reliability scores), your education system is shit, your >>>> level of freedom is shit, your agricultural system is shit (GMO, >>>> pesticides, crops doused in recycled oil water), your citizens are >>>> mostly morons (Mark Dice keeps proving this) and your journalistic >>>> freedom is shit as well. I'm not sure what you believe makes you guys >>>> number 1. >>> >>> because we don't believe all that crap you just posted. >> >> Let's prove them all then: >> >> Buick: <http://www.autosaur.com/most-reliable-cars/> Only Buick appears >> in the most reliable category. >> > A site I never heard of with a report based on Consumer Reports. Hardly > a reliable source at all. CR has been jap happy for so many years that I > often wonder why they don't just move to Tokyo! Deny the source. You might as well be a Linux advocate. > US cars these days are every bit as good or better than anything coming > from foreign shores. And the reason is that ALL of them are sourcing > parts internationally if not completely building them that way. Bullshit. My brother's girlfriend always had American cars, Chevrolet in particular, and they broke down all the time. The most current one had her car's motor just go up in flames all of a sudden actually. A Chevrolet Aveo, still under warranty, about 1 year of age. My own Jeep Patriot has a decent motor, but the ball joints on there are good for about 30,000 kilometres. It's a miracle I had mine for 50,000 before the vehicle became dangerous. Most of the time, they last 160,000km so it's quite telling. I didn't believe that American cars were shit either until I owned one and I guarantee you that I will never buy one again. I refuse your attempt to discount the source's credibility. >> Education system: >> <http://www.ibtimes.com/us-17th-global-education-ranking-finland-south- > korea-claim-top-spots-901538> >> (17th) >> > Much better source and yes US schools have issues. They don't have issues, they're pathetic and the reason why the general citizen is so stupid. >> Freedom level: >> <https://freedom.press/blog/2014/02/united-states-plummets-global-press- > freedom-rankings> >> (46th) >> > Not a bad article though it is primarily made up of reporters opinions > not necessarily all fact based. There are others, here's one: <http://www.heritage.org/index/country/unitedstates> . US is 12th, Canada is 6th. However, we don't claim to be the "land of the free" the way that you do. >> Agricultural system: GMO are already a well-known problem but you didn't >> know about recycled water being used for crops >> <http://www.vcstar.com/news/recycled-water-touted-for-landscaping-crops> >> <http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/09/130909104708.htm> >> > I have no problem with GMO even though most of Europe is horrified by > it. GMOs and the pesticides used on them caused my wife and I to have allergic reactions. Since we remove them from the diet (and replaced them with organic equivalents), our allergies are gone and we lost weight. As it is, GMO-producing companies have suppressed many studies which also showed a link to liver and kidney damage (pesticides) and tumor growth (GMO). I'm sure that they're glad that you have no problem with them though. > When they start running out of food they will change that tune. As > to recycled water, so what? There is _zero_ evidence _anywhere_ that GMO agriculture increases yield which is why a great amount of farmers are rejecting them. Additionally, the chemicals used as pesticides and fertilizers cause irreparable damage to the soil and come from finite resources themselves (petrol). Organic agriculture, meanwhile, sustains the soil and allows it to be full of nutrients of all kinds in addition to costing less for the farmer since they can save the seeds. As well, organic agriculture doesn't cause the growth of superweeds for which even more pesticides need to be used (so the food is even more poisonous than it already was) and superbugs which insecticides can no longer destroy. Only an American can ignore all of the evidence that synthetic cultivation is the worst horror on the planet and convince themselves that it's somehow good. > No problem using that as far as I'm > concerned. Hell they've been using recycled human shit all over the > world for decades. There's a difference between cow/sheep dung and the by-product of turning oil into gasoline. Once again, only an American can convince themselves that gasoline is something they don't mind having in the soil which produces the fruits and vegetables they consume. Everyone else has a lot more sense than that. >> Citizens being morons: <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wfSms5PUbo> >> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wfSms5PUbo> >> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYhTFz_SGw0> >> > I won't even bother looking at what will be some really funny shit. > >> As for the journalists, their lack of freedom is the reason for the >> freedom level, but here's one article. >> <http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2012/01/09/homeland-security- > monitoring-journalists/> >> > The Blaze?? You must be joking! > >> I ALWAYS prove my points. > > But not always very well.... :) You don't like the Blaze, fine. You have the right to do a search for journalistic freedom and find the same information repeated by more "credible" sources <http://www.dailydot.com/news/america-uk-press-freedom-drop-2014/> ... if that one is laughable for you too, consider how you laughed off the information I just gave you about GMOs and ask yourself whether I might have a point and that you might be denying way too many things. -- A.M
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| From | "A.M" <.m@nsn.s> |
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| Date | 2015-09-03 20:56 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <msaq46$cun$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #318849 |
On 2015-09-03 6:15 PM, Lloyd Parsons wrote: > On Thu, 03 Sep 2015 17:00:33 -0400, A.M wrote: > >> On 2015-09-03 1:02 PM, Lloyd Parsons wrote: >>>>>> Your cars are shit (ALL of them, only Buick manages even slightly >>>>>> respectable reliability scores), your education system is shit, your >>>>>> level of freedom is shit, your agricultural system is shit (GMO, >>>>>> pesticides, crops doused in recycled oil water), your citizens are >>>>>> mostly morons (Mark Dice keeps proving this) and your journalistic >>>>>> freedom is shit as well. I'm not sure what you believe makes you >>>>>> guys number 1. >>>>> >>>>> because we don't believe all that crap you just posted. >>>> >>>> Let's prove them all then: >>>> >>>> Buick: <http://www.autosaur.com/most-reliable-cars/> Only Buick >>>> appears in the most reliable category. >>>> >>> A site I never heard of with a report based on Consumer Reports. >>> Hardly a reliable source at all. CR has been jap happy for so many >>> years that I often wonder why they don't just move to Tokyo! >> >> Deny the source. You might as well be a Linux advocate. >> >>> US cars these days are every bit as good or better than anything coming >>> from foreign shores. And the reason is that ALL of them are sourcing >>> parts internationally if not completely building them that way. >> >> Bullshit. My brother's girlfriend always had American cars, Chevrolet in >> particular, and they broke down all the time. The most current one had >> her car's motor just go up in flames all of a sudden actually. A >> Chevrolet Aveo, still under warranty, about 1 year of age. My own Jeep >> Patriot has a decent motor, but the ball joints on there are good for >> about 30,000 kilometres. It's a miracle I had mine for 50,000 before the >> vehicle became dangerous. Most of the time, they last 160,000km so it's >> quite telling. I didn't believe that American cars were shit either >> until I owned one and I guarantee you that I will never buy one again. >> >> I refuse your attempt to discount the source's credibility. >> > The source is not good as their source is not good. CR doesn't do any > real testing on cars these days, or at least not much. Almost everything > they report is anecdotal evidence at best. I doubt that very strongly. > My experience with American designed cars, as well as some actually built > here since 1960 when I started driving does not mirror yours in any way. > From Chevy to Studebaker and many in between I got good service out of > all but Chrysler products. My Jeep is a Chrysler and I have to admit it's a piece of shit underneath. > So my anecdotal version is as valid as is yours. BTW, who the hell would > buy an Aveo? I got one as a loaner when I had some body work a number of > years ago. The only place I wanted to drive it was back to the rental > company. Total piece of shit. > > Now I drive a German designed, built in Korea, American branded vehicle > and couldn't be happier. Great little Buick and follows a line of Buicks > I've owned since '96. All great cars. Buick being the one brand considered reliable from the United States. I drove around a Ford while my BMW and my Jeep were both painted (people insist on running into us) and let me just tell you that that piece of shit, coupled with the Jeep's ball joint being shot so quickly, had a lot to do with my decision to never buy American again. >> GMOs and the pesticides used on them caused my wife and I to have >> allergic reactions. Since we remove them from the diet (and replaced >> them with organic equivalents), our allergies are gone and we lost >> weight. As it is, GMO-producing companies have suppressed many studies >> which also showed a link to liver and kidney damage (pesticides) and >> tumor growth (GMO). I'm sure that they're glad that you have no problem >> with them though. >> > Again with your anecdotal evidence. I've been eating since 1943 and > haven't ever watched my diet. Now I'm 71 and very active with only a few > health issues, both pretty much from my genes. Then there's no convincing you regardless of how much evidence I throw your way. < snip > >> You don't like the Blaze, fine. You have the right to do a search for >> journalistic freedom and find the same information repeated by more >> "credible" sources >> <http://www.dailydot.com/news/america-uk-press-freedom-drop-2014/> ... >> if that one is laughable for you too, consider how you laughed off the >> information I just gave you about GMOs and ask yourself whether I might >> have a point and that you might be denying way too many things. > > The Blaze is owned and run by a certifiable nut job, hence the total lack > of credibility. He was so fucking nutty even Fox News fired him. > > You do have some points, but I think as with others of the nearly PC > persuasion you stretch them a bit. Whatever makes your life worth living, I suppose. -- A.M
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| From | DFS <nospam@dfs.com> |
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| Date | 2015-09-04 08:53 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <msc45p$aut$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #318818 |
On 9/3/2015 12:52 PM, A.M wrote: > On 2015-09-03 11:04 AM, Lloyd Parsons wrote: >> On Thu, 03 Sep 2015 10:39:49 -0400, A.M wrote: >> >>> On 2015-09-03 9:26 AM, DFS wrote: >>>> On 9/2/2015 11:56 AM, owl wrote: >>>>> A.M <.m@nsn.s> wrote: >>>>>> On 2015-09-02 10:52 AM, owl wrote: >>>>>>> A.M <.m@nsn.s> wrote: >>>>>>>> On 2015-09-01 9:35 PM, owl wrote: >>>>>>>>> Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> It happened that I didn't catch all IE signatures so lot of that >>>>>>>>>> went to others. Now corrected. >>>>>>>>>> Better breakdown of OS'es too with introducing BlackBerry and >>>>>>>>>> ChromeOS share. >>>>>>>>>> Eliminated empty useragent strings from calculation. >>>>>>>>>> Also top 20 of "others" displayed. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Linux 284309 0.30 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Linux at 30 percent! Oo-rah! >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Actually, it's less than 1%. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Dude, in American math, 0.30 is 30 percent. Yes! >>>>> >>>>>> Actually no, it isn't. 0.30 is 30% of 1. The only way it represents >>>>>> 30% >>>>>> is it we've all come to the agreement that market share in general is >>>>>> represented by the number 1. >>>>> >>>>> Actually it is. America is number 1. >>>> >>>> Yes. >>> >>> Your cars are shit (ALL of them, only Buick manages even slightly >>> respectable reliability scores), your education system is shit, your >>> level of freedom is shit, your agricultural system is shit (GMO, >>> pesticides, crops doused in recycled oil water), your citizens are >>> mostly morons (Mark Dice keeps proving this) and your journalistic >>> freedom is shit as well. I'm not sure what you believe makes you guys >>> number 1. >> >> because we don't believe all that crap you just posted. > > Let's prove them all then: > > Buick: <http://www.autosaur.com/most-reliable-cars/> Only Buick appears > in the most reliable category. Top 10 Most Reliable Cars of 2015 (by category) http://rmautobuzz.com/top-10-reliable-cars-2015/ Toyota Corolla Chevy Camaro Chevy Malibu Buick LaCrosse Lexus ES Lexus GX 460 GMC Sierra Kia Sportage Nissan Murano GMC Yukon 5 out of 10 are American. > Education system: > <http://www.ibtimes.com/us-17th-global-education-ranking-finland-south-korea-claim-top-spots-901538> > (17th) "The study, carried out by the Economist Intelligence Unit (EIU), combines international test results and data such as literacy rates and graduation rates between 2006 and 2010." You HAVE to remove low black and Hispanic results to get a fair comparison. Also, US is #1 in higher education http://www.universitas21.com/article/projects/details/152/u21-ranking-of-national-higher-education-systems It's the envy of the world. > Freedom level: > <https://freedom.press/blog/2014/02/united-states-plummets-global-press-freedom-rankings> > (46th) What kind of dishonest person says "freedom" then links to "freedom of press"? I'm real sick of your US-hating inanity. Worst of all, it comes from someone who believes in astrology. > Agricultural system: GMO are already a well-known problem but you didn't > know about recycled water being used for crops > <http://www.vcstar.com/news/recycled-water-touted-for-landscaping-crops> > <http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/09/130909104708.htm> GMOs are a problem for YOU and other skeptics, but not for educated and informed people. http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/science/2015/07/are_gmos_safe_yes_the_case_against_them_is_full_of_fraud_lies_and_errors.html > Citizens being morons: <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wfSms5PUbo> > <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wfSms5PUbo> > <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYhTFz_SGw0> Rob Ford. Canada gets one in the L column for supporting that obese, crack-smoking, drunk, Jamaica-patois-babbling nutjob. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rob_Ford What a mess. And: "The week that proved most Canadians are idiots" http://www.therebel.media/the_week_that_proved_most_canadians_are_idiots > As for the journalists, their lack of freedom is the reason for the > freedom level, but here's one article. > <http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2012/01/09/homeland-security-monitoring-journalists/> > > I ALWAYS prove my points. You didn't prove anything with those shitty sources.
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| From | "A.M" <.m@nsn.s> |
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| Date | 2015-09-04 10:20 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <msc978$udc$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #318926 |
On 2015-09-04 8:53 AM, DFS wrote: > On 9/3/2015 12:52 PM, A.M wrote: >> On 2015-09-03 11:04 AM, Lloyd Parsons wrote: >>> On Thu, 03 Sep 2015 10:39:49 -0400, A.M wrote: >>> >>>> On 2015-09-03 9:26 AM, DFS wrote: >>>>> On 9/2/2015 11:56 AM, owl wrote: >>>>>> A.M <.m@nsn.s> wrote: >>>>>>> On 2015-09-02 10:52 AM, owl wrote: >>>>>>>> A.M <.m@nsn.s> wrote: >>>>>>>>> On 2015-09-01 9:35 PM, owl wrote: >>>>>>>>>> Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> It happened that I didn't catch all IE signatures so lot of that >>>>>>>>>>> went to others. Now corrected. >>>>>>>>>>> Better breakdown of OS'es too with introducing BlackBerry and >>>>>>>>>>> ChromeOS share. >>>>>>>>>>> Eliminated empty useragent strings from calculation. >>>>>>>>>>> Also top 20 of "others" displayed. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Linux 284309 0.30 >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Linux at 30 percent! Oo-rah! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Actually, it's less than 1%. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Dude, in American math, 0.30 is 30 percent. Yes! >>>>>> >>>>>>> Actually no, it isn't. 0.30 is 30% of 1. The only way it represents >>>>>>> 30% >>>>>>> is it we've all come to the agreement that market share in >>>>>>> general is >>>>>>> represented by the number 1. >>>>>> >>>>>> Actually it is. America is number 1. >>>>> >>>>> Yes. >>>> >>>> Your cars are shit (ALL of them, only Buick manages even slightly >>>> respectable reliability scores), your education system is shit, your >>>> level of freedom is shit, your agricultural system is shit (GMO, >>>> pesticides, crops doused in recycled oil water), your citizens are >>>> mostly morons (Mark Dice keeps proving this) and your journalistic >>>> freedom is shit as well. I'm not sure what you believe makes you guys >>>> number 1. >>> >>> because we don't believe all that crap you just posted. >> >> Let's prove them all then: >> >> Buick: <http://www.autosaur.com/most-reliable-cars/> Only Buick appears >> in the most reliable category. > > > Top 10 Most Reliable Cars of 2015 (by category) > > http://rmautobuzz.com/top-10-reliable-cars-2015/ > > Toyota Corolla > Chevy Camaro > Chevy Malibu > Buick LaCrosse > Lexus ES > Lexus GX 460 > GMC Sierra > Kia Sportage > Nissan Murano > GMC Yukon > > 5 out of 10 are American. Well, I definitely don't reject a study made by JD Power and Associates. If they tell me that American cars are decent (as long as they're not Chryslers), I'll listen. I'm surprised by the Malibu though. Good job, thanks for that. >> Education system: >> <http://www.ibtimes.com/us-17th-global-education-ranking-finland-south-korea-claim-top-spots-901538> >> >> (17th) > > "The study, carried out by the Economist Intelligence Unit (EIU), > combines international test results and data such as literacy rates and > graduation rates between 2006 and 2010." > > You HAVE to remove low black and Hispanic results to get a fair comparison. > > Also, US is #1 in higher education > http://www.universitas21.com/article/projects/details/152/u21-ranking-of-national-higher-education-systems > > It's the envy of the world. Well, higher education is not a fair representation for me since higher education in the United States involves places like Harvard and Yale which are very exclusive to the best of the best from every country. They charge a fortune but also pay the best possible professors a great salary which means that you have the greatest students and the greatest teachers. Universities in other countries such as mine respond very strongly to the public's desire for things such as free tuition which also ensures that people without incredible results have a right to a decent education. In the United States, you have the great schools and you have the Community Colleges. In other places, Community Colleges don't exist and therefore don't weed out the worst form the results. The reason people look at high school results is because EVERYONE goes to high school and you therefore have a better idea of how the general population is. If the results in other countries like Canada didn't remove the Black and Hispanic results, the Americans can't either. The results, as they are, stand. >> Freedom level: >> <https://freedom.press/blog/2014/02/united-states-plummets-global-press-freedom-rankings> >> >> (46th) > > What kind of dishonest person says "freedom" then links to "freedom of > press"? > > I'm real sick of your US-hating inanity. Worst of all, it comes from > someone who believes in astrology. Freedom of the press is an extension of personal freedom. If journalists are censored, it is because the society they operate in isn't as free as it claims to be. I don't see how you can reject a correlation. >> Agricultural system: GMO are already a well-known problem but you didn't >> know about recycled water being used for crops >> <http://www.vcstar.com/news/recycled-water-touted-for-landscaping-crops> >> <http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/09/130909104708.htm> > > GMOs are a problem for YOU and other skeptics, but not for educated and > informed people. > > http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/science/2015/07/are_gmos_safe_yes_the_case_against_them_is_full_of_fraud_lies_and_errors.html I've done the research and reject the propaganda made by journalists who were PAID to say good things about it. If you want to eat it, go ahead. However, the variety of research I've laid eyes on has demonstrated that the GMO itself is associated with tumors whereas the pesticides used on them are associated with kidney and liver damage even in small amounts. Meanwhile, the people growing GMO don't use small amounts because the glyphosate used in GMO agriculture cause superweeds and superbugs resistant to the chemicals. VICE News demonstrated this already, ad nauseum. Besides, if they're so safe, why are American policians and Obama himself who promised to, AGAINST labeling? Let the "smart" American citizens learn about the "wonders" of GMO and choose to buy them. >> Citizens being morons: <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wfSms5PUbo> >> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wfSms5PUbo> >> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYhTFz_SGw0> > > Rob Ford. Canada gets one in the L column for supporting that obese, > crack-smoking, drunk, Jamaica-patois-babbling nutjob. > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rob_Ford > > What a mess. > > > And: > > "The week that proved most Canadians are idiots" > http://www.therebel.media/the_week_that_proved_most_canadians_are_idiots How is Rob Ford different from the American politicians routinely caught for the exact same thing like Marion Barry? Your political system also houses a number of sexual deviants and they get caught on a regular basis. >> As for the journalists, their lack of freedom is the reason for the >> freedom level, but here's one article. >> <http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2012/01/09/homeland-security-monitoring-journalists/> >> >> >> I ALWAYS prove my points. > > You didn't prove anything with those shitty sources. You're the one who used <http://www.therebel.media> though. -- A.M
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| From | cc <scatnubbs@hotmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-09-04 07:39 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <7933f397-f794-4aa0-a6ee-5afa22b3afd1@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #318939 |
On Friday, September 4, 2015 at 10:20:09 AM UTC-4, A.M wrote: > On 2015-09-04 8:53 AM, DFS wrote: > > > > Also, US is #1 in higher education > > http://www.universitas21.com/article/projects/details/152/u21-ranking-of-national-higher-education-systems > > > > It's the envy of the world. > > Well, higher education is not a fair representation for me since higher > education in the United States involves places like Harvard and Yale > which are very exclusive to the best of the best from every country. And also involves places like Kaplan University and everything in between. Even the not so best of the best can attend. In the US roughly 70% of people at least enroll in a college after high school currently. Not all are able to finish of course, but the opportunity is there. That's hardly exclusive. > > GMOs are a problem for YOU and other skeptics, but not for educated and > > informed people. +1billion > > > > http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/science/2015/07/are_gmos_safe_yes_the_case_against_them_is_full_of_fraud_lies_and_errors.html > > I've done the research and reject the propaganda made by journalists who > were PAID to say good things about it. Every journalist is now in on it?
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| From | "A.M" <.m@nsn.s> |
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| Date | 2015-09-04 10:49 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <mscau3$5mf$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #318943 |
On 2015-09-04 10:39 AM, cc wrote: > On Friday, September 4, 2015 at 10:20:09 AM UTC-4, A.M wrote: >> On 2015-09-04 8:53 AM, DFS wrote: >>> >>> Also, US is #1 in higher education >>> http://www.universitas21.com/article/projects/details/152/u21-ranking-of-national-higher-education-systems >>> >>> It's the envy of the world. >> >> Well, higher education is not a fair representation for me since higher >> education in the United States involves places like Harvard and Yale >> which are very exclusive to the best of the best from every country. > > And also involves places like Kaplan University and everything in > between. Even the not so best of the best can attend. In the US roughly > 70% of people at least enroll in a college after high school currently. > Not all are able to finish of course, but the opportunity is there. > That's hardly exclusive. Not everyone can afford the tuition that Harvard and Yale demand so yeah, it's pretty exclusive. It's either people whose families are already rich or people who performed so well that they got scholarships which paid for everything. I somehow doubt that Community Colleges are included in that list. >>> GMOs are a problem for YOU and other skeptics, but not for educated and >>> informed people. > > +1billion Even if they were safe, they're covered in pesticides linked to kidney and liver damage. If you want that in your system, be my guest. >>> http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/science/2015/07/are_gmos_safe_yes_the_case_against_them_is_full_of_fraud_lies_and_errors.html >> >> I've done the research and reject the propaganda made by journalists who >> were PAID to say good things about it. > > Every journalist is now in on it? Not every journalist makes articles promoting GMO. -- A.M
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| From | cc <scatnubbs@hotmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-09-04 08:55 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <f683ec4b-bbe3-44f7-bdac-b00c55cbf510@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #318946 |
On Friday, September 4, 2015 at 10:49:23 AM UTC-4, A.M wrote: > On 2015-09-04 10:39 AM, cc wrote: > > On Friday, September 4, 2015 at 10:20:09 AM UTC-4, A.M wrote: > >> On 2015-09-04 8:53 AM, DFS wrote: > >>> > >>> Also, US is #1 in higher education > >>> http://www.universitas21.com/article/projects/details/152/u21-ranking-of-national-higher-education-systems > >>> > >>> It's the envy of the world. > >> > >> Well, higher education is not a fair representation for me since higher > >> education in the United States involves places like Harvard and Yale > >> which are very exclusive to the best of the best from every country. > > > > And also involves places like Kaplan University and everything in > > between. Even the not so best of the best can attend. In the US roughly > > 70% of people at least enroll in a college after high school currently. > > Not all are able to finish of course, but the opportunity is there. > > That's hardly exclusive. > > Not everyone can afford the tuition that Harvard and Yale demand so > yeah, it's pretty exclusive. Harvard and Yale are, yes. But higher education itself, is not. > It's either people whose families are > already rich or people who performed so well that they got scholarships > which paid for everything. I somehow doubt that Community Colleges are > included in that list. I don't think they are, but there are about 5000 universities and colleges in the U.S. and those are included in "higher education" and 70% of high schoolers enroll in "higher education", although a much lower percentage actually get a degree. But like I said, the opportunity is there for most to get a degree, and most are actually enrolling, which means in the US "higher education" is not exclusive at all. > >>> GMOs are a problem for YOU and other skeptics, but not for educated and > >>> informed people. > > > > +1billion > > Even if they were safe, they're covered in pesticides linked to kidney > and liver damage. If you want that in your system, be my guest. > > >>> http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/science/2015/07/are_gmos_safe_yes_the_case_against_them_is_full_of_fraud_lies_and_errors.html > >> > >> I've done the research and reject the propaganda made by journalists who > >> were PAID to say good things about it. > > > > Every journalist is now in on it? > > Not every journalist makes articles promoting GMO. > There's a difference between promoting GMO and pointing out the scientific flaws of the opponents who won't (can't) link to valid research supporting the dangers of GMOs when asked.
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| From | Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
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| Date | 2015-09-04 09:19 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <D20F12BD.59EE2%usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
| In reply to | #318948 |
On 9/4/15, 8:55 AM, in article f683ec4b-bbe3-44f7-bdac-b00c55cbf510@googlegroups.com, "cc" <scatnubbs@hotmail.com> wrote: > On Friday, September 4, 2015 at 10:49:23 AM UTC-4, A.M wrote: >> On 2015-09-04 10:39 AM, cc wrote: >>> On Friday, September 4, 2015 at 10:20:09 AM UTC-4, A.M wrote: >>>> On 2015-09-04 8:53 AM, DFS wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Also, US is #1 in higher education >>>>> http://www.universitas21.com/article/projects/details/152/u21-ranking-of-n >>>>> ational-higher-education-systems >>>>> >>>>> It's the envy of the world. >>>> >>>> Well, higher education is not a fair representation for me since higher >>>> education in the United States involves places like Harvard and Yale >>>> which are very exclusive to the best of the best from every country. >>> >>> And also involves places like Kaplan University and everything in >>> between. Even the not so best of the best can attend. In the US roughly >>> 70% of people at least enroll in a college after high school currently. >>> Not all are able to finish of course, but the opportunity is there. >>> That's hardly exclusive. >> >> Not everyone can afford the tuition that Harvard and Yale demand so >> yeah, it's pretty exclusive. > > Harvard and Yale are, yes. But higher education itself, is not. Costs of education have gone up FAR faster than inflation. And then students cannot get out of their loans as easily as a corporation can get out of paying for polluting a river. It is idiotic. ... >>> Every journalist is now in on it? >> >> Not every journalist makes articles promoting GMO. >> > > There's a difference between promoting GMO and pointing out the > scientific flaws of the opponents who won't (can't) link to valid > research supporting the dangers of GMOs when asked. I believe insulin is produced with GMOs. GMOs save lives. Monsanto is evil though. -- * OS X / Linux: What is a file? <http://youtu.be/_dMbXGLW9PI> * Mint MATE Trash, Panel, Menu: <http://youtu.be/C0y74FIf7uE> * Mint KDE working with folders: <http://youtu.be/7C9nvniOoE0> * Mint KDE creating files: <http://youtu.be/N7-fZJaJUv8> * Mint KDE help: <http://youtu.be/3ikizUd3sa8> * Mint KDE general navigation: <http://youtu.be/t9y14yZtQuI> * Mint KDE bugs or Easter eggs? <http://youtu.be/CU-whJQvtfA> * Easy on OS X / Hard on Linux: <http://youtu.be/D3BPWANQoIk> * OS / Word Processor Comparison: <http://youtu.be/w6Qcl-w7s5c>
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| From | "A.M" <.m@nsn.s> |
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| Date | 2015-09-04 12:58 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <mscigb$3q2$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #318951 |
On 2015-09-04 12:19 PM, Snit wrote: > On 9/4/15, 8:55 AM, in article > f683ec4b-bbe3-44f7-bdac-b00c55cbf510@googlegroups.com, "cc" > <scatnubbs@hotmail.com> wrote: > >> On Friday, September 4, 2015 at 10:49:23 AM UTC-4, A.M wrote: >>> On 2015-09-04 10:39 AM, cc wrote: >>>> On Friday, September 4, 2015 at 10:20:09 AM UTC-4, A.M wrote: >>>>> On 2015-09-04 8:53 AM, DFS wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Also, US is #1 in higher education >>>>>> http://www.universitas21.com/article/projects/details/152/u21-ranking-of-n >>>>>> ational-higher-education-systems >>>>>> >>>>>> It's the envy of the world. >>>>> >>>>> Well, higher education is not a fair representation for me since higher >>>>> education in the United States involves places like Harvard and Yale >>>>> which are very exclusive to the best of the best from every country. >>>> >>>> And also involves places like Kaplan University and everything in >>>> between. Even the not so best of the best can attend. In the US roughly >>>> 70% of people at least enroll in a college after high school currently. >>>> Not all are able to finish of course, but the opportunity is there. >>>> That's hardly exclusive. >>> >>> Not everyone can afford the tuition that Harvard and Yale demand so >>> yeah, it's pretty exclusive. >> >> Harvard and Yale are, yes. But higher education itself, is not. > > Costs of education have gone up FAR faster than inflation. And then students > cannot get out of their loans as easily as a corporation can get out of > paying for polluting a river. It is idiotic. > > ... >>>> Every journalist is now in on it? >>> >>> Not every journalist makes articles promoting GMO. >>> >> >> There's a difference between promoting GMO and pointing out the >> scientific flaws of the opponents who won't (can't) link to valid >> research supporting the dangers of GMOs when asked. > > I believe insulin is produced with GMOs. GMOs save lives. Monsanto is evil > though. More importantly, it is indefensible. -- A.M
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| From | Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
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| Date | 2015-09-04 10:11 -0700 |
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| In reply to | #318962 |
On 9/4/15, 9:58 AM, in article mscigb$3q2$2@dont-email.me, "A.M" <.m@nsn.s> wrote: ... >> Costs of education have gone up FAR faster than inflation. And then students >> cannot get out of their loans as easily as a corporation can get out of >> paying for polluting a river. It is idiotic. >> >> ... >>>>> Every journalist is now in on it? >>>> >>>> Not every journalist makes articles promoting GMO. >>>> >>> >>> There's a difference between promoting GMO and pointing out the >>> scientific flaws of the opponents who won't (can't) link to valid >>> research supporting the dangers of GMOs when asked. >> >> I believe insulin is produced with GMOs. GMOs save lives. Monsanto is evil >> though. > > More importantly, it is indefensible. The actions of Monsanto are absolutely indefensible... and Obama backs them *heavily*. If not the biggest failing of his presidency it is close to it. -- * OS X / Linux: What is a file? <http://youtu.be/_dMbXGLW9PI> * Mint MATE Trash, Panel, Menu: <http://youtu.be/C0y74FIf7uE> * Mint KDE working with folders: <http://youtu.be/7C9nvniOoE0> * Mint KDE creating files: <http://youtu.be/N7-fZJaJUv8> * Mint KDE help: <http://youtu.be/3ikizUd3sa8> * Mint KDE general navigation: <http://youtu.be/t9y14yZtQuI> * Mint KDE bugs or Easter eggs? <http://youtu.be/CU-whJQvtfA> * Easy on OS X / Hard on Linux: <http://youtu.be/D3BPWANQoIk> * OS / Word Processor Comparison: <http://youtu.be/w6Qcl-w7s5c>
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| From | "A.M" <.m@nsn.s> |
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| Date | 2015-09-04 12:57 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <mscief$3q2$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #318948 |
On 2015-09-04 11:55 AM, cc wrote: > On Friday, September 4, 2015 at 10:49:23 AM UTC-4, A.M wrote: >> On 2015-09-04 10:39 AM, cc wrote: >>> On Friday, September 4, 2015 at 10:20:09 AM UTC-4, A.M wrote: >>>> On 2015-09-04 8:53 AM, DFS wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Also, US is #1 in higher education >>>>> http://www.universitas21.com/article/projects/details/152/u21-ranking-of-national-higher-education-systems >>>>> >>>>> It's the envy of the world. >>>> >>>> Well, higher education is not a fair representation for me since higher >>>> education in the United States involves places like Harvard and Yale >>>> which are very exclusive to the best of the best from every country. >>> >>> And also involves places like Kaplan University and everything in >>> between. Even the not so best of the best can attend. In the US roughly >>> 70% of people at least enroll in a college after high school currently. >>> Not all are able to finish of course, but the opportunity is there. >>> That's hardly exclusive. >> >> Not everyone can afford the tuition that Harvard and Yale demand so >> yeah, it's pretty exclusive. > > Harvard and Yale are, yes. But higher education itself, is not. I'm curious then. Here in Quebec at least, tuition to our university is about $2,000 (including books) per semester. Its affordability (even the internationally-reknowned schools like McGill University) means that a lot of people apply and that the best are chosen but that a lot of lesser students get schooling as well. As far as I know, the highest tuition you will pay here in Canada in general is about $8,000 per semester. Does ANY university in the University cost $8,000 or less? If not, tell yourself the following: the people who will get higher education are either already rich (educated parents make more money and breed educated children most of the time), the best of their class (free scholarships) or saved for it since birth (smart parents who probably taught the kids the value of a good education). As such, we shouldn't be surprised that they do so well since those who wouldn't have been weeded out. Here, even the worst get an education somewhere. >> It's either people whose families are >> already rich or people who performed so well that they got scholarships >> which paid for everything. I somehow doubt that Community Colleges are >> included in that list. > > I don't think they are, but there are about 5000 universities and > colleges in the U.S. and those are included in "higher education" and > 70% of high schoolers enroll in "higher education", although a much > lower percentage actually get a degree. But like I said, the opportunity > is there for most to get a degree, and most are actually enrolling, which > means in the US "higher education" is not exclusive at all. I'm just happy that I lived in Montreal where I didn't have to pay ridiculous fees to get a University education. Let's leave it at that. I met a lot of Americans during my stay there and they admitted that they came to my university because of its reputation but mostly because of its affordability. They, themselves, told me that American higher education was not affordable and this was between 1999 and 2003. >>> Every journalist is now in on it? >> >> Not every journalist makes articles promoting GMO. >> > > There's a difference between promoting GMO and pointing out the > scientific flaws of the opponents who won't (can't) link to valid > research supporting the dangers of GMOs when asked. Well tell yourself the following. GMOs are basically seed which suddenly have parents on them. They are, at their base, unethical according to people like Wretched Stallman. I'm actually on his side for this matter because I believe that farmers should be allowed to save seeds for the next year and GMOs don't allow them to do that. The way that they work is that the properties of another seed, resistant to certain insects, are forced into the seed you are creating. As such, they are essentially Frankenstein creations. However, they still require proprietary (oil-based) fertilizers provided by the company creating the GMO seed and are generally grown with the use of pesticides like glyphosate. Glyphosate has already been linked (when a person is exposed in small quantities) to kidney and liver damage <http://www.rt.com/usa/313806-monsanto-roundup-kidney-damage/> and the farmers are actually DOUSING their crops with the stuff because the bugs the GMOs originally fended off by forcing the properties of another seed have become resistant to the built-in insecticide and the weeds have become resistant to the glyphosate. You only needed a little bit of glyphosate at the beginning, now you need more and more to the point that they're now considering using a variation of Agent Orange (glyphosate is actually one half of Agent Orange) to use on the food. If you see that as fine, great. Your health is not as important to me as my own is. However... ... being doused in so many pesticides and insecticides coupled with the fact that the ground these seeds grow are fertilized with chemicals rather than vitamin and mineral-rich manure or food waste has made it impossible for that soil to grow _anything_. That's why a lot of lands in Argentina - which has grown GMOs for years - are now barren and people need to stay as far away from them as possible because they cause cancer and birth defects. If you think all of that is fine, you're delusional. -- A.M
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| From | Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
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| Date | 2015-09-04 10:03 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <D20F1CD4.59EF7%usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
| In reply to | #318961 |
On 9/4/15, 9:57 AM, in article mscief$3q2$1@dont-email.me, "A.M" <.m@nsn.s> wrote: > On 2015-09-04 11:55 AM, cc wrote: >> On Friday, September 4, 2015 at 10:49:23 AM UTC-4, A.M wrote: >>> On 2015-09-04 10:39 AM, cc wrote: >>>> On Friday, September 4, 2015 at 10:20:09 AM UTC-4, A.M wrote: >>>>> On 2015-09-04 8:53 AM, DFS wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Also, US is #1 in higher education >>>>>> http://www.universitas21.com/article/projects/details/152/u21-ranking-of- >>>>>> national-higher-education-systems >>>>>> >>>>>> It's the envy of the world. >>>>> >>>>> Well, higher education is not a fair representation for me since higher >>>>> education in the United States involves places like Harvard and Yale >>>>> which are very exclusive to the best of the best from every country. >>>> >>>> And also involves places like Kaplan University and everything in >>>> between. Even the not so best of the best can attend. In the US roughly >>>> 70% of people at least enroll in a college after high school currently. >>>> Not all are able to finish of course, but the opportunity is there. >>>> That's hardly exclusive. >>> >>> Not everyone can afford the tuition that Harvard and Yale demand so >>> yeah, it's pretty exclusive. >> >> Harvard and Yale are, yes. But higher education itself, is not. > > I'm curious then. Here in Quebec at least, tuition to our university is > about $2,000 (including books) per semester. Its affordability (even the > internationally-reknowned schools like McGill University) means that a > lot of people apply and that the best are chosen but that a lot of > lesser students get schooling as well. As far as I know, the highest > tuition you will pay here in Canada in general is about $8,000 per > semester. Does ANY university in the University cost $8,000 or less? <http://www.mybudget360.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/tuition-housing-cpi1. jpg> OR <http://goo.gl/SlnFhr> ... -- * OS X / Linux: What is a file? <http://youtu.be/_dMbXGLW9PI> * Mint MATE Trash, Panel, Menu: <http://youtu.be/C0y74FIf7uE> * Mint KDE working with folders: <http://youtu.be/7C9nvniOoE0> * Mint KDE creating files: <http://youtu.be/N7-fZJaJUv8> * Mint KDE help: <http://youtu.be/3ikizUd3sa8> * Mint KDE general navigation: <http://youtu.be/t9y14yZtQuI> * Mint KDE bugs or Easter eggs? <http://youtu.be/CU-whJQvtfA> * Easy on OS X / Hard on Linux: <http://youtu.be/D3BPWANQoIk> * OS / Word Processor Comparison: <http://youtu.be/w6Qcl-w7s5c>
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| From | "A.M" <.m@nsn.s> |
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| Date | 2015-09-04 15:44 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <mscs7k$9l7$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #318965 |
On 2015-09-04 1:03 PM, Snit wrote: > On 9/4/15, 9:57 AM, in article mscief$3q2$1@dont-email.me, "A.M" <.m@nsn.s> > wrote: > >> On 2015-09-04 11:55 AM, cc wrote: >>> On Friday, September 4, 2015 at 10:49:23 AM UTC-4, A.M wrote: >>>> On 2015-09-04 10:39 AM, cc wrote: >>>>> On Friday, September 4, 2015 at 10:20:09 AM UTC-4, A.M wrote: >>>>>> On 2015-09-04 8:53 AM, DFS wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Also, US is #1 in higher education >>>>>>> http://www.universitas21.com/article/projects/details/152/u21-ranking-of- >>>>>>> national-higher-education-systems >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It's the envy of the world. >>>>>> >>>>>> Well, higher education is not a fair representation for me since higher >>>>>> education in the United States involves places like Harvard and Yale >>>>>> which are very exclusive to the best of the best from every country. >>>>> >>>>> And also involves places like Kaplan University and everything in >>>>> between. Even the not so best of the best can attend. In the US roughly >>>>> 70% of people at least enroll in a college after high school currently. >>>>> Not all are able to finish of course, but the opportunity is there. >>>>> That's hardly exclusive. >>>> >>>> Not everyone can afford the tuition that Harvard and Yale demand so >>>> yeah, it's pretty exclusive. >>> >>> Harvard and Yale are, yes. But higher education itself, is not. >> >> I'm curious then. Here in Quebec at least, tuition to our university is >> about $2,000 (including books) per semester. Its affordability (even the >> internationally-reknowned schools like McGill University) means that a >> lot of people apply and that the best are chosen but that a lot of >> lesser students get schooling as well. As far as I know, the highest >> tuition you will pay here in Canada in general is about $8,000 per >> semester. Does ANY university in the University cost $8,000 or less? > > <http://www.mybudget360.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/tuition-housing-cpi1. > jpg> OR <http://goo.gl/SlnFhr> > ... If you exclude those who can't afford it from getting a higher education then you're essentially saying that only those from fairly wealthy families where the parents are well-educated can get into University. Genetically and socially, they are already a lot more intelligent than the absolute _everyone_ who can study here. We're a lot more fair, you're a lot more exclusive whether anyone likes it or not. In the end, our general population is more educated as a result of how accessible it still is. -- A.M
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| From | Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-09-04 19:50 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <d4ub00FiqsU2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #318979 |
On Fri, 04 Sep 2015 15:44:36 -0400, A.M wrote: > On 2015-09-04 1:03 PM, Snit wrote: >> On 9/4/15, 9:57 AM, in article mscief$3q2$1@dont-email.me, "A.M" >> <.m@nsn.s> wrote: >> >>> On 2015-09-04 11:55 AM, cc wrote: >>>> On Friday, September 4, 2015 at 10:49:23 AM UTC-4, A.M wrote: >>>>> On 2015-09-04 10:39 AM, cc wrote: >>>>>> On Friday, September 4, 2015 at 10:20:09 AM UTC-4, A.M wrote: >>>>>>> On 2015-09-04 8:53 AM, DFS wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Also, US is #1 in higher education >>>>>>>> http://www.universitas21.com/article/projects/details/152/u21- ranking-of- >>>>>>>> national-higher-education-systems >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> It's the envy of the world. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Well, higher education is not a fair representation for me since >>>>>>> higher education in the United States involves places like Harvard >>>>>>> and Yale which are very exclusive to the best of the best from >>>>>>> every country. >>>>>> >>>>>> And also involves places like Kaplan University and everything in >>>>>> between. Even the not so best of the best can attend. In the US >>>>>> roughly 70% of people at least enroll in a college after high >>>>>> school currently. >>>>>> Not all are able to finish of course, but the opportunity is there. >>>>>> That's hardly exclusive. >>>>> >>>>> Not everyone can afford the tuition that Harvard and Yale demand so >>>>> yeah, it's pretty exclusive. >>>> >>>> Harvard and Yale are, yes. But higher education itself, is not. >>> >>> I'm curious then. Here in Quebec at least, tuition to our university >>> is about $2,000 (including books) per semester. Its affordability >>> (even the internationally-reknowned schools like McGill University) >>> means that a lot of people apply and that the best are chosen but that >>> a lot of lesser students get schooling as well. As far as I know, the >>> highest tuition you will pay here in Canada in general is about $8,000 >>> per semester. Does ANY university in the University cost $8,000 or >>> less? >> >> <http://www.mybudget360.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/tuition-housing- cpi1. >> jpg> OR <http://goo.gl/SlnFhr> >> ... > > If you exclude those who can't afford it from getting a higher education > then you're essentially saying that only those from fairly wealthy > families where the parents are well-educated can get into University. > Genetically and socially, they are already a lot more intelligent than > the absolute _everyone_ who can study here. > > We're a lot more fair, you're a lot more exclusive whether anyone likes > it or not. In the end, our general population is more educated as a > result of how accessible it still is. While being a bit better off financially makes it easier to afford higher education here, it is not all that difficult for those of lesser means. Loans and grants are all over the place to help, and there are many that also work their way through college. It isn't a lack of money that keeps some from doing it, it is more a lack of fortitude and willingness to explore all the options. -- Lloyd
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| From | Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
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| Date | 2015-09-04 12:58 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <D20F45E5.59F23%usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
| In reply to | #318982 |
On 9/4/15, 12:50 PM, in article d4ub00FiqsU2@mid.individual.net, "Lloyd Parsons" <lloydp211@gmail.com> wrote: >>> <http://www.mybudget360.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/tuition-housing- > cpi1. >>> jpg> OR <http://goo.gl/SlnFhr> >>> ... >> >> If you exclude those who can't afford it from getting a higher education >> then you're essentially saying that only those from fairly wealthy >> families where the parents are well-educated can get into University. >> Genetically and socially, they are already a lot more intelligent than >> the absolute _everyone_ who can study here. >> >> We're a lot more fair, you're a lot more exclusive whether anyone likes >> it or not. In the end, our general population is more educated as a >> result of how accessible it still is. > > While being a bit better off financially makes it easier to afford higher > education here, it is not all that difficult for those of lesser means. > Loans and grants are all over the place to help, and there are many that > also work their way through college. It isn't a lack of money that keeps > some from doing it, it is more a lack of fortitude and willingness to > explore all the options. And the fact the costs keep going up much faster than inflation. How long ago did you pay for school? My first degree was in the 1990s and I paid for it with few grants (got one for one semester) and no other assistance. I worked my way through it. Now a college student coming out of high school would find that MUCH harder. It is insane. -- * OS X / Linux: What is a file? <http://youtu.be/_dMbXGLW9PI> * Mint MATE Trash, Panel, Menu: <http://youtu.be/C0y74FIf7uE> * Mint KDE working with folders: <http://youtu.be/7C9nvniOoE0> * Mint KDE creating files: <http://youtu.be/N7-fZJaJUv8> * Mint KDE help: <http://youtu.be/3ikizUd3sa8> * Mint KDE general navigation: <http://youtu.be/t9y14yZtQuI> * Mint KDE bugs or Easter eggs? <http://youtu.be/CU-whJQvtfA> * Easy on OS X / Hard on Linux: <http://youtu.be/D3BPWANQoIk> * OS / Word Processor Comparison: <http://youtu.be/w6Qcl-w7s5c>
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| From | Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-09-04 20:11 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <d4uc7bF1834U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #318985 |
On Fri, 04 Sep 2015 12:58:13 -0700, Snit wrote: > On 9/4/15, 12:50 PM, in article d4ub00FiqsU2@mid.individual.net, "Lloyd > Parsons" <lloydp211@gmail.com> wrote: > >>>> <http://www.mybudget360.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/tuition- housing- >> cpi1. >>>> jpg> OR <http://goo.gl/SlnFhr> >>>> ... >>> >>> If you exclude those who can't afford it from getting a higher >>> education then you're essentially saying that only those from fairly >>> wealthy families where the parents are well-educated can get into >>> University. Genetically and socially, they are already a lot more >>> intelligent than the absolute _everyone_ who can study here. >>> >>> We're a lot more fair, you're a lot more exclusive whether anyone >>> likes it or not. In the end, our general population is more educated >>> as a result of how accessible it still is. >> >> While being a bit better off financially makes it easier to afford >> higher education here, it is not all that difficult for those of lesser >> means. Loans and grants are all over the place to help, and there are >> many that also work their way through college. It isn't a lack of >> money that keeps some from doing it, it is more a lack of fortitude and >> willingness to explore all the options. > > And the fact the costs keep going up much faster than inflation. > > How long ago did you pay for school? My first degree was in the 1990s > and I paid for it with few grants (got one for one semester) and no > other assistance. I worked my way through it. Now a college student > coming out of high school would find that MUCH harder. It is insane. I used the Vietnam era GI Bill. But today isn't insane, it just requires more work to obtain the funds. I have yet to see anyone that wanted to go to college not get there because of money. Usually the ones that don't, don't have enough fire in their belly. -- Lloyd
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| From | Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
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| Date | 2015-09-04 13:17 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <D20F4A6B.59F28%usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
| In reply to | #318986 |
On 9/4/15, 1:11 PM, in article d4uc7bF1834U1@mid.individual.net, "Lloyd Parsons" <lloydp211@gmail.com> wrote: > On Fri, 04 Sep 2015 12:58:13 -0700, Snit wrote: > >> On 9/4/15, 12:50 PM, in article d4ub00FiqsU2@mid.individual.net, "Lloyd >> Parsons" <lloydp211@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>>>> <http://www.mybudget360.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/tuition- > housing- >>> cpi1. >>>>> jpg> OR <http://goo.gl/SlnFhr> >>>>> ... >>>> >>>> If you exclude those who can't afford it from getting a higher >>>> education then you're essentially saying that only those from fairly >>>> wealthy families where the parents are well-educated can get into >>>> University. Genetically and socially, they are already a lot more >>>> intelligent than the absolute _everyone_ who can study here. >>>> >>>> We're a lot more fair, you're a lot more exclusive whether anyone >>>> likes it or not. In the end, our general population is more educated >>>> as a result of how accessible it still is. >>> >>> While being a bit better off financially makes it easier to afford >>> higher education here, it is not all that difficult for those of lesser >>> means. Loans and grants are all over the place to help, and there are >>> many that also work their way through college. It isn't a lack of >>> money that keeps some from doing it, it is more a lack of fortitude and >>> willingness to explore all the options. >> >> And the fact the costs keep going up much faster than inflation. >> >> How long ago did you pay for school? My first degree was in the 1990s >> and I paid for it with few grants (got one for one semester) and no >> other assistance. I worked my way through it. Now a college student >> coming out of high school would find that MUCH harder. It is insane. > > I used the Vietnam era GI Bill. > > But today isn't insane, it just requires more work to obtain the funds. Not just more work... loans you get stuck with for decades. Choices which 18 year olds have to make which can leave the stuck in debt for the next 18 years and more (a lot more). > I have yet to see anyone that wanted to go to college not get there > because of money. Usually the ones that don't, don't have enough fire in > their belly. What you see is not the question - I am talking about what is. And what is is that college cost not just a little more than it did for you but a lot more. Insanely more. The government uses students as profit makers instead of treating their education like the investment in the country that it is. -- * OS X / Linux: What is a file? <http://youtu.be/_dMbXGLW9PI> * Mint MATE Trash, Panel, Menu: <http://youtu.be/C0y74FIf7uE> * Mint KDE working with folders: <http://youtu.be/7C9nvniOoE0> * Mint KDE creating files: <http://youtu.be/N7-fZJaJUv8> * Mint KDE help: <http://youtu.be/3ikizUd3sa8> * Mint KDE general navigation: <http://youtu.be/t9y14yZtQuI> * Mint KDE bugs or Easter eggs? <http://youtu.be/CU-whJQvtfA> * Easy on OS X / Hard on Linux: <http://youtu.be/D3BPWANQoIk> * OS / Word Processor Comparison: <http://youtu.be/w6Qcl-w7s5c>
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