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| Started by | "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> |
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| First post | 2026-09-15 21:48 -0400 |
| Last post | 2026-09-18 18:25 -0700 |
| Articles | 20 on this page of 451 — 31 participants |
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Killer price on a mini PC "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-09-15 21:48 -0400
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-09-16 03:17 +0000
Re: Killer price on a mini PC "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-09-15 23:35 -0400
Re: Killer price on a mini PC T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-18 21:29 -0700
Re: Killer price on a mini PC c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-19 01:51 -0400
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-19 09:36 -0400
Re: Killer price on a mini PC T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-19 12:03 -0700
Re: Killer price on a mini PC c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-20 01:49 -0400
Re: Killer price on a mini PC T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-21 02:44 -0700
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-21 20:29 +1000
Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-21 22:45 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-22 02:30 +0000
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-22 20:38 +1000
Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-22 12:43 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-22 21:47 +1000
Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-22 12:54 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-22 17:59 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-21 11:38 -0400
Re: Killer price on a mini PC T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-21 18:13 -0700
Re: Killer price on a mini PC rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-22 03:22 +0000
Re: Killer price on a mini PC T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-22 01:54 -0700
Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-22 06:56 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-22 07:19 +0000
Re: Killer price on a mini PC T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-22 01:54 -0700
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-16 07:24 -0400
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-09-16 12:36 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-16 10:11 -0400
Re: Killer price on a mini PC "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-09-17 12:20 -0400
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-17 12:58 -0400
Re: Killer price on a mini PC "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-09-17 13:26 -0400
Re: Killer price on a mini PC c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-18 00:49 -0400
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-18 08:10 -0400
Re: Killer price on a mini PC rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-18 20:01 +0000
Re: Killer price on a mini PC "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-09-18 16:23 -0400
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-09-18 17:42 -0400
Re: Killer price on a mini PC "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-09-18 18:09 -0400
Re: Killer price on a mini PC rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-18 23:02 +0000
Re: Killer price on a mini PC "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-09-18 19:27 -0400
Re: Killer price on a mini PC c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-19 01:08 -0400
Re: Killer price on a mini PC c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-19 00:33 -0400
Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-18 21:20 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> - 2026-09-18 16:05 -0500
Re: Killer price on a mini PC "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-09-18 17:09 -0400
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-18 17:19 -0400
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-09-18 17:47 -0400
Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-18 23:13 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-19 19:56 +1000
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-19 09:42 -0400
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-20 21:24 +1000
Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-20 19:18 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-21 04:51 -0400
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-21 19:18 +1000
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Chris Abraham <chris@gerriscorp.com> - 2026-09-21 13:13 -0400
Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-21 23:33 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Chris Abraham <chris@gerriscorp.com> - 2026-09-21 18:46 -0400
Re: Killer price on a mini PC rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-22 03:12 +0000
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-22 20:52 +1000
Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-22 20:02 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-23 21:21 +1000
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> - 2026-09-19 18:33 +0000
Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-19 21:24 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-20 04:03 -0400
Re: Killer price on a mini PC c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-20 04:21 -0400
screen shape/orientation (was: Re: Killer price on a mini PC) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-20 10:31 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-20 10:45 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-20 10:57 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-20 10:39 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-20 15:04 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-20 19:29 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-20 22:47 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-20 20:36 -0400
Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-21 12:14 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2026-09-20 11:26 -0500
Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-20 19:32 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-21 06:16 -0400
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-21 12:41 +0000
Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-21 14:30 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-22 20:57 +1000
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-21 12:01 -0400
Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-21 17:19 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2026-09-21 16:02 -0500
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-21 19:23 -0400
Re: Killer price on a mini PC rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-22 03:30 +0000
Re: Killer price on a mini PC chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2026-09-22 06:14 -0500
Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-22 18:12 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-22 14:12 +0200
Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-22 13:47 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-22 19:29 +0200
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> - 2026-09-21 14:26 +0000
Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-21 16:36 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-09-21 18:44 +0000
Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-21 22:29 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-21 23:34 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-22 08:28 -0400
Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-22 13:49 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-22 19:40 +0200
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-23 07:43 +0000
Re: Killer price on a mini PC "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-23 12:38 +0200
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-23 12:11 +0000
Re: Killer price on a mini PC "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-23 19:55 +0200
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-09-23 19:20 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-24 00:27 -0400
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2026-09-24 23:31 +0000
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-09-25 09:18 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-25 11:05 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-25 21:18 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-26 04:13 -0400
Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-26 18:55 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-25 20:43 +1000
Gigaset M740AV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-23 20:25 +0200
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-24 13:43 +0000
Re: Killer price on a mini PC "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-24 20:39 +0200
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-25 06:51 +0000
Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-25 09:24 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-25 12:11 +0200
Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-25 11:18 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-25 12:41 +0200
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-09-25 11:57 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-25 12:48 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-25 14:25 +0000
Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-25 15:46 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-25 16:47 +0000
Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-25 21:28 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-26 04:33 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-25 14:03 +0000
Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-25 15:42 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-25 21:34 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-26 04:36 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-26 20:14 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-26 20:39 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> - 2026-09-26 17:14 -0500
Re: Killer price on a mini PC c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-26 22:16 -0400
Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 08:24 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 09:37 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 12:42 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 13:32 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-27 18:56 +1000
Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 12:46 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-27 14:03 +0000
Re: Killer price on a mini PC rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-27 19:16 +0000
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-28 07:19 +0000
Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-27 16:37 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 17:38 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-28 22:32 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-29 00:10 +0000
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Joe Makowiec <makowiec@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-28 21:46 +0000
Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-28 23:27 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-29 08:12 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-27 19:05 +0000
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-28 20:46 +1000
Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-28 12:03 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-28 17:37 +0000
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Chris Abraham <chris@gerriscorp.com> - 2026-09-26 19:14 -0400
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-26 12:10 +0000
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-22 02:20 -0400
Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-22 07:50 +0100
OT - TV (was: Re: Killer price on a mini PC) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-22 18:59 +0100
Re: OT - TV (was: Re: Killer price on a mini PC) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-22 19:52 +0000
Re: OT - TV Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-23 02:29 -0400
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-23 09:50 +0100
Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-23 12:40 +0200
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-23 13:38 +0100
Re: OT - TV "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-09-24 19:46 -0400
Re: Killer price on a mini PC c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-23 00:04 -0400
OT - TV (was: Re: Killer price on a mini PC) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-23 06:45 +0100
Re: OT - TV c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-24 04:10 -0400
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-24 12:39 +0100
Re: OT - TV Abandoned Trolley <that.bloke@microsoft.com> - 2026-09-24 13:17 +0100
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-24 14:23 +0100
Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-24 19:44 +0100
Re: OT - TV Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-24 23:17 +0000
Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-25 20:39 +0100
Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-26 12:11 +0200
Re: OT - TV Abandoned Trolley <that.bloke@microsoft.com> - 2026-09-26 11:47 +0100
Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-26 19:08 +0100
Re: OT - TV Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> - 2026-09-26 19:58 +0100
Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-26 20:30 +0100
Re: OT - TV Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-09-26 19:10 +0000
Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-26 21:02 +0100
Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-26 21:03 +0100
Re: OT - TV Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-09-27 18:20 +0000
Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-28 16:26 +0100
Re: OT - TV Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-09-28 15:45 +0000
Re: OT - TV Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-28 16:30 +0000
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-28 17:46 +0100
Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-28 22:25 +0100
Re: OT - TV NY <me@privacy.net> - 2026-09-29 16:40 +0100
OT - Lehrer (was: Re: OT - TV) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-29 16:58 +0100
Re: OT - Lehrer (was: Re: OT - TV) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-29 18:19 +0000
Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-27 19:58 +1000
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 12:52 +0100
Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-27 22:13 +1000
Re: OT - TV Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-27 11:56 -0400
Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-27 19:28 +0200
Re: OT - TV Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-27 15:28 -0400
Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-28 10:19 +0200
[OT] - audio distribution, Rediffusion-style (was: Re: OT - TV) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-28 16:43 +0100
Re: OT - TV Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> - 2026-09-27 11:44 +0100
Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-27 16:12 +0100
Re: OT - TV Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> - 2026-09-27 18:12 +0100
Re: OT - TV Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-09-27 18:23 +0100
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 18:34 +0100
Re: OT - TV Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> - 2026-09-28 14:03 +0100
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-28 16:46 +0100
Re: OT - TV Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> - 2026-09-29 12:01 +0100
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-29 13:05 +0100
Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-29 14:13 +0100
Re: OT - TV The Other John <nomail@here.org> - 2026-09-29 16:53 +0100
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-29 17:12 +0100
Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-29 15:54 +0000
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-29 17:15 +0100
Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-27 13:12 +0200
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-25 10:06 +0100
Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-25 20:50 +0100
Re: OT - TV Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-26 01:31 +0000
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-26 04:21 +0100
Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-26 19:26 +0100
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-26 20:26 +0100
Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-26 20:37 +0100
Re: OT - TV Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-26 20:36 +0000
Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-27 00:03 +0000
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 08:15 +0100
Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-27 10:16 +0100
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 12:48 +0100
Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-27 16:16 +0100
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 08:07 +0100
Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-27 10:20 +0100
Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-27 13:18 +0200
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 13:06 +0100
Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-27 14:25 +0200
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 17:32 +0100
Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-27 16:22 +0100
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 17:34 +0100
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 12:50 +0100
Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-27 14:25 +0200
Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-27 16:25 +0100
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 17:32 +0100
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 17:30 +0100
Re: OT - TV Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-09-27 15:04 +0000
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 17:39 +0100
Re: OT - TV Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-09-27 19:58 +0000
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-28 09:13 +0100
Re: OT - TV Abandoned Trolley <that.bloke@microsoft.com> - 2026-09-28 09:39 +0100
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-28 11:26 +0100
Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-28 13:04 +0200
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-28 16:42 +0100
Re: OT - TV Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-09-28 16:45 +0000
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-28 17:53 +0100
Re: OT - TV Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-09-28 19:26 +0000
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-29 10:25 +0100
Re: OT - TV Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-09-29 09:43 +0000
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-29 10:56 +0100
Re: OT - TV Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-09-29 10:41 +0000
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-29 13:02 +0100
Re: OT - TV Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-09-29 13:39 +0000
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-29 15:04 +0100
Re: OT - TV Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-09-29 14:19 +0000
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-29 15:47 +0100
Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-29 17:16 +0100
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-29 18:50 +0100
[OT] - power (was: Re: OT - TV) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-29 19:05 +0100
Re: [OT] - power The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-29 19:15 +0100
Re: OT - TV Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-29 14:58 -0400
Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-27 20:18 +1000
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 12:54 +0100
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-26 03:52 +0100
Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-26 19:41 +0100
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-26 20:36 +0100
Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-25 20:58 +1000
Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-25 20:56 +0100
Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-24 22:24 +1000
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-24 14:07 +0100
Re: OT - TV Abandoned Trolley <that.bloke@microsoft.com> - 2026-09-24 12:53 +0100
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-24 14:09 +0100
Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-24 18:56 +0000
Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-23 10:01 +0100
OT - TV (was: Re: Killer price on a mini PC) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-23 14:42 +0100
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-23 15:04 +0100
Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-23 15:55 +0100
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-24 12:18 +0100
Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-24 19:50 +0100
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-25 10:34 +0100
Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-25 21:10 +0100
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-26 04:29 +0100
Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-26 05:12 +0000
Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-25 21:30 +1000
Re: OT - TV Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-09-25 19:54 +0000
Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-25 21:14 +0100
Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-26 12:38 +0000
Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-26 20:06 +0100
Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-27 09:16 +0000
Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-27 10:30 +0100
Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-27 13:24 +0200
Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-27 14:35 +0000
Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-28 14:02 +0200
Re: OT - TV Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-09-27 19:09 +0000
Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-28 14:03 +0200
Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-28 14:46 +0000
Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-29 09:22 +0200
Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-29 09:00 +0000
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-29 10:49 +0100
Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-29 18:46 +0000
Re: OT - TV (was: Re: Killer price on a mini PC) Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-23 15:04 +0000
Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-23 16:28 +0100
Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-23 15:51 +0000
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-24 12:20 +0100
Re: OT - TV Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-24 18:26 +0000
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-25 09:20 +0100
Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-24 18:44 +0000
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> - 2026-09-22 16:05 +0000
Re: Killer price on a mini PC rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-22 18:31 +0000
Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-23 09:45 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> - 2026-09-23 14:41 +0000
Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-24 12:09 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-26 03:14 -0400
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-26 12:10 +0000
Re: Killer price on a mini PC c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-26 21:55 -0400
OT - TV (now radio) (was: Re: Killer price on a mini PC) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-27 09:49 +0100
Re: OT - TV (now radio) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-27 13:32 +0200
Re: OT - TV (now radio) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-27 16:30 +0100
Re: OT - TV (now radio) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 17:36 +0100
Re: OT - TV (now radio) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-28 16:55 +0100
Re: OT - TV (now radio) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-28 17:10 +0100
Re: OT - TV (now radio) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-28 22:09 +0100
Re: OT - TV (now radio) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-29 10:45 +0100
Re: OT - TV (now radio) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-29 18:16 +0000
Re: OT - TV (now radio) (was: Re: Killer price on a mini PC) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-27 16:23 +0000
Re: OT - TV (now radio) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-27 19:34 +0200
Re: OT - TV (now radio) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-28 16:59 +0100
Re: OT - TV (now radio) Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-28 13:37 -0400
Re: OT - TV (now radio) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-29 09:27 +0200
Re: OT - TV (now radio) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-29 14:29 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-27 08:55 +0000
Re: Killer price on a mini PC c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-28 01:28 -0400
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-28 07:12 +0000
OT - electronic tinkering (was: Re: Killer price on a mini PC) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-28 17:19 +0100
Re: OT - electronic tinkering (was: Re: Killer price on a mini PC) Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-29 09:26 +0000
Re: OT - electronic tinkering (was: Re: Killer price on a mini PC) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-29 18:57 +0000
Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-28 09:18 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-23 17:28 +0000
Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-24 12:21 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-24 18:26 +0000
OT - TV (was: Re: Killer price on a mini PC) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-24 20:08 +0100
Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-25 21:45 +1000
Re: Killer price on a mini PC rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-24 20:05 +0000
Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-25 09:22 +0100
OT - TV (was: Re: Killer price on a mini PC) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-25 21:43 +0100
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-26 04:43 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-24 14:25 +0000
OT - TV (was: Re: Killer price on a mini PC) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-24 19:57 +0100
Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-24 21:13 +0200
Re: OT - TV Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> - 2026-09-24 17:47 -0500
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-25 10:53 +0100
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-25 10:51 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-22 08:22 +0000
Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-22 19:01 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-23 07:19 +0000
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-09-23 13:32 +0000
Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-23 14:50 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-23 18:40 +0000
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-22 21:10 +1000
Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-22 12:49 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-22 14:20 +0200
OT - TV (was: Re: Killer price on a mini PC) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-22 19:13 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-09-22 13:59 +0000
Re: Killer price on a mini PC c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-22 02:20 -0400
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-22 21:16 +1000
Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-22 12:52 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-22 15:35 +0000
OT - TV (was: Re: Killer price on a mini PC) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-22 19:51 +0100
Re: OT - TV (was: Re: Killer price on a mini PC) Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-23 08:16 +0000
Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-23 15:07 +0100
Re: OT - TV Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-09-23 14:28 +0000
Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-23 15:30 +0000
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-24 12:07 +0100
Re: OT - TV Mark Lloyd <nomail@here.invalid> - 2026-09-25 21:52 +0000
Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-25 22:15 +0000
Re: OT - TV c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-26 02:17 -0400
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-26 10:11 +0100
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-23 09:53 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-23 09:44 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-23 12:11 +0000
Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-23 13:47 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-23 14:46 +0000
Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-24 12:13 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-24 14:22 +0000
Re: Killer price on a mini PC c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-26 03:23 -0400
Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-26 10:17 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-26 21:36 -0400
Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 08:27 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-27 03:59 -0400
Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-27 10:08 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-27 19:39 +0000
Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 12:40 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-27 22:28 +1000
Re: Killer price on a mini PC rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-27 19:43 +0000
Re: Killer price on a mini PC rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-27 19:26 +0000
Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-27 09:55 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 12:43 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-28 01:31 -0400
Re: Killer price on a mini PC rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-23 19:05 +0000
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-22 15:50 +0000
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-23 22:26 +1000
Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-23 13:56 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-23 23:35 +1000
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-20 21:29 +1000
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> - 2026-09-20 16:56 +0000
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-09-20 18:20 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-09-20 18:22 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-09-20 20:14 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-21 06:34 -0400
Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-20 19:57 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-20 23:56 -0400
Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-21 22:34 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-21 23:35 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> - 2026-09-21 14:20 +0000
Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-21 16:32 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-09-18 17:45 -0400
Re: Killer price on a mini PC rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-18 22:52 +0000
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-19 00:37 +0000
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-19 20:02 +1000
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-09-19 07:45 -0400
Re: Killer price on a mini PC rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-19 19:50 +0000
Re: Killer price on a mini PC rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-18 22:43 +0000
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> - 2026-09-19 08:52 +0200
Re: Killer price on a mini PC rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-18 22:41 +0000
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-09-19 17:48 +0000
Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-19 18:56 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-19 14:45 -0400
Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-20 10:37 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-19 21:42 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-20 01:35 +0000
Reminiscing re laptops (was: Re: Killer price on a mini PC) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-20 10:45 +0100
Re: Reminiscing re laptops (was: Re: Killer price on a mini PC) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-20 17:52 +0000
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-20 09:46 +0000
Re: Killer price on a mini PC T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-17 13:59 -0700
Re: Killer price on a mini PC "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-09-17 17:06 -0400
Re: Killer price on a mini PC T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-17 18:30 -0700
Re: Killer price on a mini PC "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-09-17 21:37 -0400
Re: Killer price on a mini PC T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-18 00:39 -0700
Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-18 09:06 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-09-18 04:19 -0400
Re: Killer price on a mini PC T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-18 14:28 -0700
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| From | chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-09-21 16:02 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <4o63bltjndr9etabvqnhevbm9du80hm9dt@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #722362 |
Paul wrote: >Apparently, someone believes this is what TV looks like. > > https://www.cnet.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/c79a835c-51b0-442d-88a9-a257803c560b.jpg That's when "8k" will make sense. >Couldn't they have found a larger potted plant ? And larger speakers! A room that size would need something with 15" woofers, I'd guess.
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| From | Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-09-21 19:23 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <118se8p$dlho$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #722379 |
On Mon, 9/21/2026 5:02 PM, chrisv wrote:
> Paul wrote:
>
>> Apparently, someone believes this is what TV looks like.
>>
>> https://www.cnet.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/c79a835c-51b0-442d-88a9-a257803c560b.jpg
>
> That's when "8k" will make sense.
>
>> Couldn't they have found a larger potted plant ?
>
> And larger speakers! A room that size would need something with 15"
> woofers, I'd guess.
>
https://www.themasterswitch.com/sites/default/files/styles/inline_415/public/image_fields/field_imgs_inline/Bowers%20%26%20Wilkins%20CT800.jpg?itok=tElaFWqc
( https://www.themasterswitch.com/best-71-home-theater-systems Bowers & Wilkins CT800 ($90,000) )
Everyone seems to like 15" subs. You can get 36" ones.
https://www.bowerswilkins.com/en-ca/product/in-wall-in-ceiling-speakers/ct-800-series/ct8-sw-passive/150040.html
The kid would likely knock those over with his tricycle.
I wish they would quote the expected power level on this stuff.
If you're viewing Towering Inferno, it has to feel like an inferno.
For $90,000, those cables had better be oxygen-free ones.
Paul
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-09-22 03:30 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <nheb36Ft4m7U3@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #722379 |
On Mon, 21 Sep 2026 16:02:21 -0500, chrisv wrote: > And larger speakers! A room that size would need something with 15" > woofers, I'd guess. https://www.aia-cinema.com/category/subwoofers If you really want to annoy the neighbors, cats, dogs, and passing bears: https://www.aia-cinema.com/products/the100-sub-pro-passive-sealed
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| From | chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-09-22 06:14 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <cjo4blta6u0rmk5c8f6gimalg0m09sienc@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #722397 |
rbowman wrote: >On Mon, 21 Sep 2026 16:02:21 -0500, chrisv wrote: > >> And larger speakers! A room that size would need something with 15" >> woofers, I'd guess. > >https://www.aia-cinema.com/category/subwoofers > >If you really want to annoy the neighbors, cats, dogs, and passing bears: > >https://www.aia-cinema.com/products/the100-sub-pro-passive-sealed Wow, 100 inches, and response down to 1 Hz! I'd never heard of such a thing. The biggest I'd heard of are 24-inchers. Thumpin' bass!
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| From | "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> |
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| Date | 2026-09-22 18:12 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <118ucua$121jk$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #722397 |
On 2026/9/22 4:30:46, rbowman wrote: > On Mon, 21 Sep 2026 16:02:21 -0500, chrisv wrote: > >> And larger speakers! A room that size would need something with 15" >> woofers, I'd guess. > > https://www.aia-cinema.com/category/subwoofers > > If you really want to annoy the neighbors, cats, dogs, and passing bears: > > https://www.aia-cinema.com/products/the100-sub-pro-passive-sealed > > At the other end of the spectrum: "All the highest notes, neither sharp nor flat ..." (but) "the ear can't _hear_ as high as that!" "Still, I ought to please any passing bat, with my high fidelity!" A Song of Reproduction, Flanders and Swann - 1959! Mocking hi-fi enthusiasts has been around as long as recorded sound - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EL5SzTSMxLU - enjoy! -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()ALIS-Ch++(p)Ar++T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-09-22 14:12 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <mu7aomxpt6.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #722362 |
On 2026-09-21 12:16, Paul wrote: > On Sun, 9/20/2026 2:32 PM, J. P. Gilliver wrote: >> On 2026/9/20 17:26:9, chrisv wrote: >>> The Natural Philosopher wrote: >>> >> Yes, I don't think you can _get_ a new TV - certainly not in the normal >> outlets Joe public goes to - less than 32" - and probably not even that >> small now, I haven't looked lately. >> > > AI Overview > > Standard TV sizes range from 32 inches to 85 inches or larger, > measured diagonally from corner to corner. > > Common TV Dimensions 32", 43", 50", 55", 65", 75", 85" > > ******** > > If you believe the AI, then sets smaller than 32" don't exist (hah!). I just looked. There are 28" units (I have one such) -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-09-22 13:47 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <118ttc5$s0ct$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #722421 |
On 22/09/2026 13:12, Carlos E.R. wrote: > On 2026-09-21 12:16, Paul wrote: >> On Sun, 9/20/2026 2:32 PM, J. P. Gilliver wrote: >>> On 2026/9/20 17:26:9, chrisv wrote: >>>> The Natural Philosopher wrote: >>>> > >>> Yes, I don't think you can _get_ a new TV - certainly not in the normal >>> outlets Joe public goes to - less than 32" - and probably not even that >>> small now, I haven't looked lately. >>> >> >> AI Overview >> >> Standard TV sizes range from 32 inches to 85 inches or larger, >> measured diagonally from corner to corner. >> >> Common TV Dimensions 32", 43", 50", 55", 65", 75", 85" >> >> ******** >> >> If you believe the AI, then sets smaller than 32" don't exist (hah!). > > I just looked. There are 28" units (I have one such) > > Hard to buy these days. I have a 32 and a 43 I think -- Renewable energy: Expensive solutions that don't work to a problem that doesn't exist instituted by self legalising protection rackets that don't protect, masquerading as public servants who don't serve the public.
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-09-22 19:29 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <chqaomx77h.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #722424 |
On 2026-09-22 14:47, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > On 22/09/2026 13:12, Carlos E.R. wrote: >> On 2026-09-21 12:16, Paul wrote: >>> On Sun, 9/20/2026 2:32 PM, J. P. Gilliver wrote: >>>> On 2026/9/20 17:26:9, chrisv wrote: >>>>> The Natural Philosopher wrote: >>>>> >> >>>> Yes, I don't think you can _get_ a new TV - certainly not in the normal >>>> outlets Joe public goes to - less than 32" - and probably not even that >>>> small now, I haven't looked lately. >>>> >>> >>> AI Overview >>> >>> Standard TV sizes range from 32 inches to 85 inches or larger, >>> measured diagonally from corner to corner. >>> >>> Common TV Dimensions 32", 43", 50", 55", 65", 75", 85" >>> >>> ******** >>> >>> If you believe the AI, then sets smaller than 32" don't exist (hah!). >> >> I just looked. There are 28" units (I have one such) >> >> > Hard to buy these days. I have a 32 and a 43 I think They are rare, the supermarket may not have them, but the big specialized computer shop does. Or did. The big place where I bought mine has dropped the filters, so I can not search by display size. I can sort by price, lowest first, and then I find the small sizes. I see two 23", two 27", on LG. On Media Mark I find a section for «up to 27"» that boasts 78 articles. Then the first one is 42". It does have a filter for 27, which finds 9 articles. -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-09-21 14:26 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <6ab13e85$0$3230586$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com> |
| In reply to | #722341 |
On Sun, 20 Sep 2026 19:32:42 +0100, J. P. Gilliver wrote: [snip] > Yes, I don't think you can _get_ a new TV - certainly not in the normal > outlets Joe public goes to - less than 32" - and probably not even that > small now, I haven't looked lately. I seem to have seen 24" in Wal-Mart, although those could be gone now. 40" and 43" are now in the aisle labeled "small TVs". I remember when 19" was big. -- 95 days until the winter celebration (Friday, December 25, 2026 12:00 AM for 1 day). Mark Lloyd http://notstupid.us/ "There is absolutely no substitute for a complete lack of information upon which to base a considered opinion." -- Doug Riddle
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-09-21 16:36 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <118ritl$3itb$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #722370 |
On 21/09/2026 15:26, Mark Lloyd wrote: > On Sun, 20 Sep 2026 19:32:42 +0100, J. P. Gilliver wrote: > > [snip] > >> Yes, I don't think you can _get_ a new TV - certainly not in the normal >> outlets Joe public goes to - less than 32" - and probably not even that >> small now, I haven't looked lately. > > I seem to have seen 24" in Wal-Mart, although those could be gone now. > > 40" and 43" are now in the aisle labeled "small TVs". > > I remember when 19" was big. > Indeed. The pride of owning a 32" CRT monster was immense. You cam still get 'bedroom' or 'camper' tellys at smaller sizes though 22" is the smallest I found But stick a TV dongle in a laptop and you can go even smaller -- “There are two ways to be fooled. One is to believe what isn’t true; the other is to refuse to believe what is true.” —Soren Kierkegaard
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| From | Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-09-21 18:44 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <118s4ub.1130.1@ID-201911.user.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #722372 |
The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote: > On 21/09/2026 15:26, Mark Lloyd wrote: > > On Sun, 20 Sep 2026 19:32:42 +0100, J. P. Gilliver wrote: > > > > [snip] > > > >> Yes, I don't think you can _get_ a new TV - certainly not in the normal > >> outlets Joe public goes to - less than 32" - and probably not even that > >> small now, I haven't looked lately. > > > > I seem to have seen 24" in Wal-Mart, although those could be gone now. > > > > 40" and 43" are now in the aisle labeled "small TVs". > > > > I remember when 19" was big. > > > Indeed. > The pride of owning a 32" CRT monster was immense. > You cam still get 'bedroom' or 'camper' tellys at smaller sizes though > 22" is the smallest I found > > But stick a TV dongle in a laptop and you can go even smaller Exactly. (In ~2008) I had a TV dongle in my Acer Aspire One 'netbook', which had a whopping 8.9" display. We had to sit way back, in order not to develop neck pain from all the left/right turning!
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| From | "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> |
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| Date | 2026-09-21 22:29 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <118s7it$bikd$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #722378 |
On 2026/9/21 19:44:8, Frank Slootweg wrote: > The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote: >> On 21/09/2026 15:26, Mark Lloyd wrote: >>> On Sun, 20 Sep 2026 19:32:42 +0100, J. P. Gilliver wrote: >>> >>> [snip] >>> >>>> Yes, I don't think you can _get_ a new TV - certainly not in the normal >>>> outlets Joe public goes to - less than 32" - and probably not even that >>>> small now, I haven't looked lately. >>> >>> I seem to have seen 24" in Wal-Mart, although those could be gone now. >>> >>> 40" and 43" are now in the aisle labeled "small TVs". >>> >>> I remember when 19" was big. >>> >> Indeed. >> The pride of owning a 32" CRT monster was immense. >> You cam still get 'bedroom' or 'camper' tellys at smaller sizes though >> 22" is the smallest I found I think last time I looked (and that wasn't too recently) 32 or 40 was the smallest for new TVs in the usual outlets. >> >> But stick a TV dongle in a laptop and you can go even smaller Indeed, but you don't half end up fighting the software to make them work. > > Exactly. (In ~2008) I had a TV dongle in my Acer Aspire One 'netbook', > which had a whopping 8.9" display. We had to sit way back, in order not > to develop neck pain from all the left/right turning! :-) "Camping" or "portable" ones used to be sold, mainly by maplin in this country (UK), before they disappeared. (They weren't own brand.) Never too successful - partly because they drew too much power relative to their size, so difficult to keep going on batteries, but mainly because they were no less deaf - OK, maybe a _little_ less - than home sets, and thus needed connecting to a big aerial, which made their use as camping/portable sets pretty pointless. AFAIK you can still get them online. They also suffer from the same as the TV sticks - getting things like subtitles, EPG, AD, etc. just wasn't available, LCNs (channel numbers) didn't work properly, and they even tended to use half-resolution or similar. but the signal need was/is the main killer. -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()ALIS-Ch++(p)Ar++T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf Don't hit the keys so hard, it hurts.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-09-21 23:34 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <118sbe0$c68v$5@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #722380 |
On 21/09/2026 22:29, J. P. Gilliver wrote: > On 2026/9/21 19:44:8, Frank Slootweg wrote: >> The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote: >>> On 21/09/2026 15:26, Mark Lloyd wrote: >>>> On Sun, 20 Sep 2026 19:32:42 +0100, J. P. Gilliver wrote: >>>> >>>> [snip] >>>> >>>>> Yes, I don't think you can _get_ a new TV - certainly not in the normal >>>>> outlets Joe public goes to - less than 32" - and probably not even that >>>>> small now, I haven't looked lately. >>>> >>>> I seem to have seen 24" in Wal-Mart, although those could be gone now. >>>> >>>> 40" and 43" are now in the aisle labeled "small TVs". >>>> >>>> I remember when 19" was big. >>>> >>> Indeed. >>> The pride of owning a 32" CRT monster was immense. >>> You cam still get 'bedroom' or 'camper' tellys at smaller sizes though >>> 22" is the smallest I found > > I think last time I looked (and that wasn't too recently) 32 or 40 was > the smallest for new TVs in the usual outlets. > >>> >>> But stick a TV dongle in a laptop and you can go even smaller > > Indeed, but you don't half end up fighting the software to make them work. > Never had any trouble - several apps like VLC would work -- Of what good are dead warriors? … Warriors are those who desire battle more than peace. Those who seek battle despite peace. Those who thump their spears on the ground and talk of honor. Those who leap high the battle dance and dream of glory … The good of dead warriors, Mother, is that they are dead. Sheri S Tepper: The Awakeners.
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| From | Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-09-22 08:28 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <118ts90$rjg9$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #722384 |
On Mon, 9/21/2026 6:34 PM, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > Never had any trouble - several apps like VLC would work But generally speaking, they like to sell you the tuner, and the software side is a slog of multiple steps, guess and by golly. On Linux, VLC accepts a frequency specification. I can enter "215MHz" and tune into it. To do a terrestrial channel scan, I would look for w_scan or w-scan in package management. And it might take you a moment or two to find the command syntax. Firmware files are in S:\HVR2255 # Windows storage Copy files to /usr/lib/firmware # Linux destination (tuner firmware is not stored in Linux) sudo chown root:root the two items sudo chmod 644 the two items sudo rmmod saa7164 # remove failed firmware load instance sudo modprobe saa7164 # Loads firmware, also causes other devices to modprobe to working state sudo apt install w-scan # Channel scanner w_scan -f atsc -c ca -A 1 # Dual tuner, using tuner instance number 1 vlc # Plug a frequency into the VLC dialog box for the purpose The output from that, has the channel frequencies. The 215MHz was when that channel was in the VHF band, it's moved up into UHF now (the contents of a scan now are 400 to below 600 or so). If they haven't already, the VHF band will be sold off. As otherwise, the stations do not move band, without an incentive (broadcast license wise) to do so. I haven't checked VLC lately, to see if they ever finished the direct tuner code on Windows. And, similar to the tuner card firmware not being in Linux, the Hauppauge Windows driver is not in catalog.update.microsoft.com . Both sides are treated similarly, in terms of keeping IP at their head office :-) They don't like to stage their stuff. You use the CD in the white box kit for the tuner, for your driver. The WinTV viewing software, is a separate purchase, when you go with a white box kit. That's why, when buying even cheap USB tuners, you read the reviews to discover what evil awaits in the software that comes with it. Invariably it's "software is awful", when you read the reviews. It's hard to find a product that doesn't have reviews like that. The WinTV software, when it wants to share live broadcasts with a second computer, it uses Adobe Flash for the interface standard. And you know how many years ago that was discontinued. It's just a whole lot of fun. If you want a test of your skillz, try setting up MythTV, with the front end on one computer, and the back end on a second computer. It's a lot simpler if setting both ends on the same computer, and keeping the tuner in your daily driver. Paul
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-09-22 13:49 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <118ttgr$s0ct$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #722423 |
On 22/09/2026 13:28, Paul wrote: > That's why, when buying even cheap USB tuners, you read > the reviews to discover what evil awaits in the software > that comes with it. Invariably it's "software is awful", > when you read the reviews. It's hard to find a product > that doesn't have reviews like that. These days I use TVheadend. It mainly works though its a pain to set up. But then setting up a digital TV is a pain anyway. -- Renewable energy: Expensive solutions that don't work to a problem that doesn't exist instituted by self legalising protection rackets that don't protect, masquerading as public servants who don't serve the public.
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-09-22 19:40 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <v5raomxgij.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #722423 |
On 2026-09-22 14:28, Paul wrote: > On Mon, 9/21/2026 6:34 PM, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > >> Never had any trouble - several apps like VLC would work > > But generally speaking, they like to sell you the tuner, > and the software side is a slog of multiple steps, guess > and by golly. Years ago, I found digital TV on Linux a such a huge pain that I gave up, bought a separate tuner, and ditched my TV card. I can't just say "Spain", then "search for any station, don't ask me anything whatsoever". Same as I do in Windows, or with a TV set. Not in Linux. I bought a Gigaset M740 AV. It was wonderful. Two tuners. Can record or play using a samba share in the computer, or an external hard disk plugged via USB 2. Can record two programs and play a third previously recorded. Can program things by timers or names. Gets the entire EPG saved on disk. There was a community developing improved firmwares, having a web page doing so many things I forget. Unfortunately, the stations are now high definition, and the box no longer works. It works, but only tunes sounds. I can not find equivalent hardware for the current station setup. ... > It's just a whole lot of fun. If you want a test of your > skillz, try setting up MythTV, with the front end on > one computer, and the back end on a second computer. > It's a lot simpler if setting both ends on the same > computer, and keeping the tuner in your daily driver. I know a chap that loves it and makes it works. I couldn't. I think there was some preinstalled hardware with it somewhere. -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-09-23 07:43 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <118vvuo$1hjd0$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #722440 |
>"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>wrote: >>On 2026-09-22 14:28, Paul wrote: >> On Mon, 9/21/2026 6:34 PM, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >> >>> Never had any trouble - several apps like VLC would work >> >> But generally speaking, they like to sell you the tuner, >> and the software side is a slog of multiple steps, guess >> and by golly. > >Years ago, I found digital TV on Linux a such a huge pain that I gave >up, bought a separate tuner, and ditched my TV card. > >I can't just say "Spain", then "search for any station, don't ask me >anything whatsoever". Same as I do in Windows, or with a TV set. > >Not in Linux. > >I bought a Gigaset M740 AV. It was wonderful. > >Two tuners. > >Can record or play using a samba share in the computer, or an external >hard disk plugged via USB 2. > >Can record two programs and play a third previously recorded. > >Can program things by timers or names. > >Gets the entire EPG saved on disk. > >There was a community developing improved firmwares, having a web page >doing so many things I forget. > >Unfortunately, the stations are now high definition, and the box no >longer works. It works, but only tunes sounds. > I bought a cheap made in China HD box for my big TV, maybe 30 USD at the time, it can record to - and playback from a USB thumb drive, 128 GB now in it. https://panteltje.nl/pub/sat_box_sizes_IXIMG_0907.JPG left the old satellite TV box, right the new one Things get ever smaller.. Mostly satellite reception here, have an other made in China box for the local TV stations But the TV can do the reception by itself, is merely used as HDMI monitor, As I have a big steerable satellie dish that draws a bit of power when moving I prefer to use the boxes to drive the satellitedish motor, that ways protecting my expensive TV Anyways it all works perfectly, whole world on my TV with that movable dish. I have several RTL_SDR sticks in use, some record my outside weather sensor, some airplane traffic, some ship traffic, some ham radio and TV, https://panteltje.online/pub/boats_and_planes.gif Use thse for spectrum analyzer too: https://panteltje.nl/pub/radar_spectrum_sidebands.gif I write all that software myself, do use some libraries of course, open source much of it,Downloads here: https://panteltje.nl/panteltje/newsflex/download.html rtl_sdr sticks can ever receive GPS
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-09-23 12:38 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <kpmcomxej5.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #722459 |
On 2026-09-23 09:43, Jan Panteltje wrote: >> "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>wrote: >>> On 2026-09-22 14:28, Paul wrote: >>> On Mon, 9/21/2026 6:34 PM, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >>> >>>> Never had any trouble - several apps like VLC would work >>> >>> But generally speaking, they like to sell you the tuner, >>> and the software side is a slog of multiple steps, guess >>> and by golly. >> >> Years ago, I found digital TV on Linux a such a huge pain that I gave >> up, bought a separate tuner, and ditched my TV card. >> >> I can't just say "Spain", then "search for any station, don't ask me >> anything whatsoever". Same as I do in Windows, or with a TV set. >> >> Not in Linux. >> >> I bought a Gigaset M740 AV. It was wonderful. >> >> Two tuners. >> >> Can record or play using a samba share in the computer, or an external >> hard disk plugged via USB 2. >> >> Can record two programs and play a third previously recorded. >> >> Can program things by timers or names. >> >> Gets the entire EPG saved on disk. >> >> There was a community developing improved firmwares, having a web page >> doing so many things I forget. >> >> Unfortunately, the stations are now high definition, and the box no >> longer works. It works, but only tunes sounds. >> > > I bought a cheap made in China HD box for my big TV, maybe 30 USD at the time, > it can record to - and playback from a USB thumb drive, 128 GB now in it. > https://panteltje.nl/pub/sat_box_sizes_IXIMG_0907.JPG > left the old satellite TV box, right the new one Yes, I have one similar. But they are not even close to the features of the M740 > > Things get ever smaller.. > Mostly satellite reception here, > have an other made in China box for the local TV stations > But the TV can do the reception by itself, is merely used as HDMI monitor, > As I have a big steerable satellie dish that draws a bit of power when moving > I prefer to use the boxes to drive the satellitedish motor, > that ways protecting my expensive TV > Anyways it all works perfectly, whole world on my TV with that movable dish. > > > I have several RTL_SDR sticks in use, some record my outside weather sensor, > some airplane traffic, some ship traffic, some ham radio and TV, > https://panteltje.online/pub/boats_and_planes.gif > > Use thse for spectrum analyzer too: > https://panteltje.nl/pub/radar_spectrum_sidebands.gif > > I write all that software myself, do use some libraries of course, > open source much of it,Downloads here: > https://panteltje.nl/panteltje/newsflex/download.html > > rtl_sdr sticks can ever receive GPS Cute :-) Most of my entertainment comes via fibre nowdays. -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-09-23 12:11 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <1190flh$1n9a8$1@dont-email.me> |
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>"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>wrote: >>On 2026-09-23 09:43, Jan Panteltje wrote: >>> "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>wrote: >>>> On 2026-09-22 14:28, Paul wrote: >>>> On Mon, 9/21/2026 6:34 PM, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >>>> >>>>> Never had any trouble - several apps like VLC would work >>>> >>>> But generally speaking, they like to sell you the tuner, >>>> and the software side is a slog of multiple steps, guess >>>> and by golly. >>> >>> Years ago, I found digital TV on Linux a such a huge pain that I gave >>> up, bought a separate tuner, and ditched my TV card. >>> >>> I can't just say "Spain", then "search for any station, don't ask me >>> anything whatsoever". Same as I do in Windows, or with a TV set. >>> >>> Not in Linux. >>> >>> I bought a Gigaset M740 AV. It was wonderful. >>> >>> Two tuners. >>> >>> Can record or play using a samba share in the computer, or an external >>> hard disk plugged via USB 2. >>> >>> Can record two programs and play a third previously recorded. >>> >>> Can program things by timers or names. >>> >>> Gets the entire EPG saved on disk. >>> >>> There was a community developing improved firmwares, having a web page >>> doing so many things I forget. >>> >>> Unfortunately, the stations are now high definition, and the box no >>> longer works. It works, but only tunes sounds. >>> >> >> I bought a cheap made in China HD box for my big TV, maybe 30 USD at the time, >> it can record to - and playback from a USB thumb drive, 128 GB now in it. >> https://panteltje.nl/pub/sat_box_sizes_IXIMG_0907.JPG >> left the old satellite TV box, right the new one > >Yes, I have one similar. But they are not even close to the features of >the M740 Waht features do you mean? Mine can record, as times you can set, playback, sometimes I record stuff mosty music, or sciencewprograms an then later copy it to teh 4 TB harddisc also connected to teh big Samsung TV. Or a bit longer ago to DVD or blueray, or M-Disc more than 1000 discs here, this is box 1 with 1000 discs: https://panteltje.nl/pub/CD_box_binnenkant_IXIMG_0549.JPG Holds old Linux distros too :-) >> Things get ever smaller.. >> Mostly satellite reception here, >> have an other made in China box for the local TV stations >> But the TV can do the reception by itself, is merely used as HDMI monitor, >> As I have a big steerable satellie dish that draws a bit of power when moving >> I prefer to use the boxes to drive the satellitedish motor, >> that ways protecting my expensive TV >> Anyways it all works perfectly, whole world on my TV with that movable dish. >> >> >> I have several RTL_SDR sticks in use, some record my outside weather sensor, >> some airplane traffic, some ship traffic, some ham radio and TV, >> https://panteltje.online/pub/boats_and_planes.gif >> >> Use thse for spectrum analyzer too: >> https://panteltje.nl/pub/radar_spectrum_sidebands.gif >> >> I write all that software myself, do use some libraries of course, >> open source much of it,Downloads here: >> https://panteltje.nl/panteltje/newsflex/download.html >> >> rtl_sdr sticks can ever receive GPS > > >Cute :-) > >Most of my entertainment comes via fibre nowdays. Yes they wanted me to get a fiber subscription too. But no way For Internet at home and away I use a Huawei 4G USB stick, now plugged into this Raspberry Pi4 8Gb I am posting this from, when away I can put it in my Samsung laptop. Fiber on the road ? no. The rest here is satellite. One big advantage of satellite is that the 'fiber guys' will determine what you can see (they get much from satellite but pick the channels they forward). I can get stations from all over the world and viewpoints from all over the world via satellite.
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-09-23 19:55 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <3dgdomxlgp.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #722469 |
On 2026-09-23 14:11, Jan Panteltje wrote: >> "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>wrote: >>> On 2026-09-23 09:43, Jan Panteltje wrote: >>>> "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>wrote: >>>>> On 2026-09-22 14:28, Paul wrote: >>>>> On Mon, 9/21/2026 6:34 PM, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Never had any trouble - several apps like VLC would work >>>>> >>>>> But generally speaking, they like to sell you the tuner, >>>>> and the software side is a slog of multiple steps, guess >>>>> and by golly. >>>> >>>> Years ago, I found digital TV on Linux a such a huge pain that I gave >>>> up, bought a separate tuner, and ditched my TV card. >>>> >>>> I can't just say "Spain", then "search for any station, don't ask me >>>> anything whatsoever". Same as I do in Windows, or with a TV set. >>>> >>>> Not in Linux. >>>> >>>> I bought a Gigaset M740 AV. It was wonderful. >>>> >>>> Two tuners. >>>> >>>> Can record or play using a samba share in the computer, or an external >>>> hard disk plugged via USB 2. >>>> >>>> Can record two programs and play a third previously recorded. >>>> >>>> Can program things by timers or names. >>>> >>>> Gets the entire EPG saved on disk. >>>> >>>> There was a community developing improved firmwares, having a web page >>>> doing so many things I forget. >>>> >>>> Unfortunately, the stations are now high definition, and the box no >>>> longer works. It works, but only tunes sounds. >>>> >>> >>> I bought a cheap made in China HD box for my big TV, maybe 30 USD at the time, >>> it can record to - and playback from a USB thumb drive, 128 GB now in it. >>> https://panteltje.nl/pub/sat_box_sizes_IXIMG_0907.JPG >>> left the old satellite TV box, right the new one >> >> Yes, I have one similar. But they are not even close to the features of >> the M740 > > Waht features do you mean? > Mine can record, as times you can set, playback, sometimes I record stuff > mosty music, or sciencewprograms an then later copy it to teh 4 TB harddisc > also connected to teh big Samsung TV. The M740 could record two programs and play a recording simultaneously, for instance. It could edit a recording. You could download a recording to the computer. It could automatically record all programs named "kojac" in a channel. You could program the recordings using a web page on the computer. It ran Linux. Originally there was a telnet port, then a community firmware update added ssh, I think. There was ftp and http And many things I have forgotten. I asked ChatGPT for a summary: Yes. The **Siemens Gigaset M740 AV** was quite an ambitious DVB-T set-top box for its time (around 2004–2005). It was essentially a **digital TV receiver \+ PVR + network/media player**, rather than just a basic tuner. CHIP+1 ### Main features - **Dual DVB-T tuners** — two independent terrestrial digital-TV tuners. This allowed you to **watch one channel while recording another**, and also enabled Picture-in-Picture (PIP). ManualsLib+1 - **Recording to external storage** — it had **no built-in hard disk**, but could record TV to a USB hard drive or a network drive. Recordings were stored as MPEG-2 streams. Golem - **Time-shifting / timeshift** — with a suitable USB hard disk, you could pause live TV and continue watching later. The configuration allowed a timeshift buffer of up to **240 minutes**. ManualsLib - **Electronic Programme Guide (EPG)** — used programme-guide information for navigating TV schedules and setting recordings. - **Picture-in-Picture** — the second tuner could display another TV programme in a small window while the main programme remained full-screen. ManualsLib - **Network connectivity** — built-in **100 Mbps Ethernet** allowed it to communicate with a PC or network storage. Gigaset - **USB 2.0** — two USB ports for external storage and peripherals. Gigaset - **Network/media player** — it could play multimedia stored on a PC/network drive or USB disk, including **MPEG-1/MPEG-2 video, MP3 audio, and JPEG/BMP/PNG/GIF images**. Golem - **PC-to-TV streaming** — the idea was that you could keep your media on a computer elsewhere in the house and play it through the M740 AV on your television. ManualsLib - **SCART connections** — two Euro-AV/SCART sockets, one intended for the TV and another for a VCR/other AV equipment. Gigaset - **Digital audio** — optical/coaxial-style **S/PDIF digital audio output** (listed as Audio Digital), plus analogue stereo RCA outputs. Gigaset - **PAL television output** — designed for the analogue PAL/SCART television environment of the period. Recambios y Accesorios Online - **Software updates** — firmware could be updated manually, automatically, or via DVB-T according to the manual. ManualsLib ### Hardware specifications | Feature | M740 AV | | --------------------- | ------------------------- | | TV tuners | **2 × DVB-T** | | Network | **100 Mbps Ethernet** | | USB | **2 × USB 2.0** | | Video/TV | **2 × SCART** | | Analogue audio | Left/right RCA | | Digital audio | S/PDIF | | Internal HDD | **No** | | External recording | USB HDD / network storage | | Dimensions | \~200 × 200 × 66 mm | | Weight | \~850 g | | Power | 230 V / 50 Hz | | Standby consumption | \~1.7 W | | Operating consumption | \~12.5 W | ### What makes it interesting today The really interesting part is that **this wasn't simply a DVB-T decoder**. Siemens essentially built a networked media centre around a dual-tuner PVR. For 2004, the combination of **dual DVB-T \+ USB recording + timeshift \+ Ethernet + network media playback** was fairly sophisticated. CHIP+1 There is one major caveat today: it was designed for the **original DVB-T era**, so its usefulness depends heavily on what digital terrestrial television standards are currently transmitted in your area. Modern DVB-T/T2 compatibility is a particularly important question before assuming it can still receive today's broadcasts. If you're asking because **you have an M740 AV in front of you**, I can also explain its **connections, how to use a USB hard drive with it, what file formats it supports, and whether it's still useful with modern Spanish DVB-T**. > Or a bit longer ago to DVD or blueray, or M-Disc > more than 1000 discs here, this is box 1 with 1000 discs: > https://panteltje.nl/pub/CD_box_binnenkant_IXIMG_0549.JPG > Holds old Linux distros too :-) > > > >>> Things get ever smaller.. >>> Mostly satellite reception here, >>> have an other made in China box for the local TV stations >>> But the TV can do the reception by itself, is merely used as HDMI monitor, >>> As I have a big steerable satellie dish that draws a bit of power when moving >>> I prefer to use the boxes to drive the satellitedish motor, >>> that ways protecting my expensive TV >>> Anyways it all works perfectly, whole world on my TV with that movable dish. >>> >>> >>> I have several RTL_SDR sticks in use, some record my outside weather sensor, >>> some airplane traffic, some ship traffic, some ham radio and TV, >>> https://panteltje.online/pub/boats_and_planes.gif >>> >>> Use thse for spectrum analyzer too: >>> https://panteltje.nl/pub/radar_spectrum_sidebands.gif >>> >>> I write all that software myself, do use some libraries of course, >>> open source much of it,Downloads here: >>> https://panteltje.nl/panteltje/newsflex/download.html >>> >>> rtl_sdr sticks can ever receive GPS >> >> >> Cute :-) >> >> Most of my entertainment comes via fibre nowdays. > > Yes they wanted me to get a fiber subscription too. > But no way > > For Internet at home and away I use a Huawei 4G USB stick, > now plugged into this Raspberry Pi4 8Gb I am posting this from, > when away I can put it in my Samsung laptop. > > Fiber on the road ? no. > > The rest here is satellite. > One big advantage of satellite is that the 'fiber guys' will determine what > you can see (they get much from satellite but pick the channels they forward). > I can get stations from all over the world and viewpoints from all over the > world via satellite. > Aha. -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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