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Peter Köhlmann: humiliates himself and now in major crosspost troll and repeat mode

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First post2015-08-28 09:19 -0700
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  Peter Köhlmann: humiliates himself and now in major crosspost troll and repeat mode Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-08-28 09:19 -0700
    Snit Michael Glasser howling with anger Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-08-28 18:22 +0200
      Re: Snit Michael Glasser howling with anger Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-08-28 13:10 -0700
    Peter Köhlmann: humiliates Snit Michael Glasser Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-08-29 12:57 +0200
      Re: Peter Köhlmann: humiliates Snit Michael Glasser sbd <sbd.pambu@safe-mail.net> - 2015-08-29 11:38 -0300
        Re: Peter Köhlmann: humiliates Snit Michael Glasser Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2015-08-29 09:20 -0700
        Re: Peter Köhlmann: humiliates Snit Michael Glasser Nobody <nobody@invalid.com> - 2015-08-29 17:43 +0100
        Re: Peter Köhlmann: humiliated by his own actions Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-08-29 11:56 -0700
        Re: Peter Köhlmann: humiliates Snit Michael Glasser chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-08-31 07:29 -0500
          Re: Peter K�hlmann: humiliates Snit Michael Glasser Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-08-31 09:26 -0700
    "Snit" exposes another Mac weakness Nobody <nobody@invalid.com> - 2015-08-29 13:18 -0500
      Re: "Snit" exposes another Mac weakness ronb <ronbNOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2015-08-30 00:30 +0000
        Re: The herd's sour grapes Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-08-29 17:41 -0700
          Re: The herd's sour grapes owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-08-30 00:44 +0000
            Re: The herd's sour grapes vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2015-08-30 01:30 +0000
              Re: The herd's sour grapes owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-08-30 01:46 +0000
                Re: The herd's sour grapes Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-08-29 21:58 -0700
              Re: The herd's sour grapes ronb <ronbNOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2015-08-30 02:19 +0000
              Re: The herd's sour grapes Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-08-29 21:50 -0700
            Re: The herd's sour grapes Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-08-29 21:53 -0700
              Re: The herd's sour grapes Nobody <nobody@invalid.com> - 2015-08-30 03:48 -0500
                Re: The herd's sour grapes Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-08-30 11:06 -0700
                  Re: The herd's sour grapes Steve Carroll <fretwizzen@gmail.com> - 2015-08-30 13:41 -0700
                  Re: The herd's sour grapes Nobody <nobody@invalid.com> - 2015-08-31 20:54 -0500
        Re: "Snit" exposes another Mac weakness Nobody <nobody@invalid.com> - 2015-08-30 02:57 -0500

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#317316 — Peter Köhlmann: humiliates himself and now in major crosspost troll and repeat mode

FromSnit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>
Date2015-08-28 09:19 -0700
SubjectPeter Köhlmann: humiliates himself and now in major crosspost troll and repeat mode
Message-ID<D205D81F.58FE5%usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>
On 8/28/15, 9:17 AM, in article mrq1fe$pj9$2@dont-email.me, "Peter Köhlmann"
<peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> wrote:

> Snit wrote:
> 
>> On 8/28/15, 1:06 AM, in article mrp4mb$i84$1@dont-email.me, "Peter
>> Köhlmann" <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> wrote:
>> 
>> ...
>>>> Not for me, but it is an interesting little project. And why did you
>>>> cross post your response to other forums? If you have no answer just
>>>> admit to it.
>>> 
>>> I am not interested in any answer.
>> 
>> Right: you are just trolling.
> 
> < snip more Snit Michael Glasser howling with anger >
> 
> Poor imbecile Glasser. You lunatic liar can't handle it when people just
> don't answer on your lying posts about them and instead show you as what
> you 
> really are:
> 
> A parasite who spends the money needed for the upbringing and education of
> his child for his own purposes. Which is trolling, trolling and some more
> trolling usenet 24/7
> 
> You could instead use some of your "precious time" (after all, just imagine
> how much time was saved by your idiotic PDF services) to get a small job.
> Jeremy at Walmart could ask his boss to employ you as parking lot sweeper.
> Which is not too much over your capabilities. After all, flipping burgers
> is 
> impossible. You would never get them right, and then you would accuse the
> burger crew and after that the clients of being incompetent and liars

Comes down to this:

* Linux has nothing comparable to OS X's PDF Services that you can show.

* You show ignorance of this... no understanding at all.

* You made it clear you are too incompetent to view a YouTube file.

* You thought my convert-to-PDF from file manager tool is based on
  Owl's even though you have no evidence of this. The IDEA is inspired
  by him to create tool with a different use-case than PDF Services, but
  not a single line of my code comes from his.

When this was pointed out you snipped and spewed insults.



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* Mint MATE Trash, Panel, Menu:     <http://youtu.be/C0y74FIf7uE>
* Mint KDE working with folders:    <http://youtu.be/7C9nvniOoE0>
* Mint KDE creating files:          <http://youtu.be/N7-fZJaJUv8>
* Mint KDE help:                    <http://youtu.be/3ikizUd3sa8>
* Mint KDE general navigation:      <http://youtu.be/t9y14yZtQuI>
* Mint KDE bugs or Easter eggs?     <http://youtu.be/CU-whJQvtfA>
* Easy on OS X / Hard on Linux:     <http://youtu.be/D3BPWANQoIk>
* OS / Word Processor Comparison:   <http://youtu.be/w6Qcl-w7s5c>

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#317317 — Snit Michael Glasser howling with anger

FromPeter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de>
Date2015-08-28 18:22 +0200
SubjectSnit Michael Glasser howling with anger
Message-ID<mrq1o5$pj9$6@dont-email.me>
In reply to#317316
Snit wrote:

> On 8/28/15, 1:06 AM, in article mrp4mb$i84$1@dont-email.me, "Peter
> Köhlmann" <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> wrote:
> 
> ...
>>> Not for me, but it is an interesting little project. And why did you
>>> cross post your response to other forums? If you have no answer just
>>> admit to it.
>> 
>> I am not interested in any answer.
> 
> Right: you are just trolling. 

< snip more Snit Michael Glasser howling with anger >

Poor imbecile Glasser. You lunatic liar can't handle it when people just 
don't answer on your lying posts about them and instead show you as what 
you 
really are:

A parasite who spends the money needed for the upbringing and education of 
his child for his own purposes. Which is trolling, trolling and some more 
trolling usenet 24/7

You could instead use some of your "precious time" (after all, just imagine 
how much time was saved by your idiotic PDF services) to get a small job. 
Jeremy at Walmart could ask his boss to employ you as parking lot sweeper. 
Which is not too much over your capabilities. After all, flipping burgers 
is 
impossible. You would never get them right, and then you would accuse the 
burger crew and after that the clients of being incompetent and liars

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#317368 — Re: Snit Michael Glasser howling with anger

FromSnit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>
Date2015-08-28 13:10 -0700
SubjectRe: Snit Michael Glasser howling with anger
Message-ID<D2060E4A.5906C%usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>
In reply to#317317
On 8/28/15, 9:22 AM, in article mrq1o5$pj9$6@dont-email.me, "Peter Köhlmann"
<peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> wrote:

> Snit wrote:
> 
>> On 8/28/15, 1:06 AM, in article mrp4mb$i84$1@dont-email.me, "Peter
>> Köhlmann" <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> wrote:
>> 
>> ...
>>>> Not for me, but it is an interesting little project. And why did you
>>>> cross post your response to other forums? If you have no answer just
>>>> admit to it.
>>> 
>>> I am not interested in any answer.
>> 
>> Right: you are just trolling.
> 
> < snip more Snit Michael Glasser howling with anger >
> 
> Poor imbecile Glasser. You lunatic liar can't handle it when people just
> don't answer on your lying posts about them and instead show you as what
> you 
> really are:
> 
> A parasite who spends the money needed for the upbringing and education of
> his child for his own purposes. Which is trolling, trolling and some more
> trolling usenet 24/7
> 
> You could instead use some of your "precious time" (after all, just imagine
> how much time was saved by your idiotic PDF services) to get a small job.
> Jeremy at Walmart could ask his boss to employ you as parking lot sweeper.
> Which is not too much over your capabilities. After all, flipping burgers
> is 
> impossible. You would never get them right, and then you would accuse the
> burger crew and after that the clients of being incompetent and liars

LOL! Comes down to this:

* Linux has nothing comparable to OS X's PDF Services that you can show.

* You show ignorance of this... no understanding at all.

* You made it clear you are too incompetent to view a YouTube file.

* You thought my convert-to-PDF from file manager tool is based on
  Owl's even though you have no evidence of this. The IDEA is inspired
  by him to create tool with a different use-case than PDF Services, but
  not a single line of my code comes from his.

When this was pointed out you snipped and spewed insults.


-- 
* OS X / Linux: What is a file?     <http://youtu.be/_dMbXGLW9PI>
* Mint MATE Trash, Panel, Menu:     <http://youtu.be/C0y74FIf7uE>
* Mint KDE working with folders:    <http://youtu.be/7C9nvniOoE0>
* Mint KDE creating files:          <http://youtu.be/N7-fZJaJUv8>
* Mint KDE help:                    <http://youtu.be/3ikizUd3sa8>
* Mint KDE general navigation:      <http://youtu.be/t9y14yZtQuI>
* Mint KDE bugs or Easter eggs?     <http://youtu.be/CU-whJQvtfA>
* Easy on OS X / Hard on Linux:     <http://youtu.be/D3BPWANQoIk>
* OS / Word Processor Comparison:   <http://youtu.be/w6Qcl-w7s5c>

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#317446 — Peter Köhlmann: humiliates Snit Michael Glasser

FromPeter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de>
Date2015-08-29 12:57 +0200
SubjectPeter Köhlmann: humiliates Snit Michael Glasser
Message-ID<mrs33n$7lf$3@dont-email.me>
In reply to#317316
Snit wrote:

> On 8/28/15, 9:17 AM, in article mrq1fe$pj9$2@dont-email.me, "Peter
> Köhlmann" <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> wrote:
> 
>> Snit wrote:
>> 
>>> On 8/28/15, 1:06 AM, in article mrp4mb$i84$1@dont-email.me, "Peter
>>> Köhlmann" <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ...
>>>>> Not for me, but it is an interesting little project. And why did you
>>>>> cross post your response to other forums? If you have no answer just
>>>>> admit to it.
>>>> 
>>>> I am not interested in any answer.
>>> 
>>> Right: you are just trolling.
>> 
>> < snip more Snit Michael Glasser howling with anger >
>> 
>> Poor imbecile Glasser. You lunatic liar can't handle it when people just
>> don't answer on your lying posts about them and instead show you as what
>> you
>> really are:
>> 
>> A parasite who spends the money needed for the upbringing and education
>> of his child for his own purposes. Which is trolling, trolling and some
>> more trolling usenet 24/7
>> 
>> You could instead use some of your "precious time" (after all, just
>> imagine how much time was saved by your idiotic PDF services) to get a
>> small job. Jeremy at Walmart could ask his boss to employ you as parking
>> lot sweeper. Which is not too much over your capabilities. After all,
>> flipping burgers is
>> impossible. You would never get them right, and then you would accuse the
>> burger crew and after that the clients of being incompetent and liars
> 
> Comes down to this:

You crossposted your inane shite to non-advocacy groups.
And then have the gall to complain about crossposts to groups which actually 
have to do with the subject. A (totally idiotic) subject that *you* chose 
and then got your ass handed because your precious OSX is not so very 
"precious" as the result of the thread

Now live with the consequences, you imbecile cretin

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#317456 — Re: Peter Köhlmann: humiliates Snit Michael Glasser

Fromsbd <sbd.pambu@safe-mail.net>
Date2015-08-29 11:38 -0300
SubjectRe: Peter Köhlmann: humiliates Snit Michael Glasser
Message-ID<mrsg2c$m7m$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#317446
Here is my take on the drama / circus going on for the past week or more:

A constant, Peter this, Peter that, Peter what, Peter why, Peter where, 
Peter when, Peter who, Peter that, Peter this, Peter, Peter, Peter………on 
and on and on.  It is a clear indication of one thing, he has been 
schooled severely.  Now, just thrashing about aimlessly in shame, 
desperately trying to save face in vain.

I ask, who wants to discuss technology with someone who practices 
demented computing.  One example of this would be abusing files, 
dragging them here and there without a purpose and torturing them by 
opening the same file in multiple applications.  Who does this kind of 
crazy stuff in real life computing?.  Maybe this is what is meant by 
productivity, efficiency and error reduction.

People who spend a lot time in a walled garden, fall victim to this type 
of affliction, demented computing and produce countless demented videos 
pretending to discuss technology.  It would be more honest if they admit 
to self-pleasuring themselves here in COLA.  A whack job if you will.

Peter, you as a programmer should be aware of the infinite loop.  Just 
jump off to exit the loop.  He will claim victory but everybody will see 
it differently, a whack job on a endless loop trying to convince 
everyone here that OS x is better than LinuX, which we know not to be true.

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#317470 — Re: Peter Köhlmann: humiliates Snit Michael Glasser

FromSteve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com>
Date2015-08-29 09:20 -0700
SubjectRe: Peter Köhlmann: humiliates Snit Michael Glasser
Message-ID<d2bb9340-e68e-4873-93d8-c611c17e8bdc@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#317456
On Saturday, August 29, 2015 at 8:38:49 AM UTC-6, sbd wrote:
> Here is my take on the drama / circus going on for the past week or more:
> 
> A constant, Peter this, Peter that, Peter what, Peter why, Peter where, 
> Peter when, Peter who, Peter that, Peter this, Peter, Peter, Peter.........on 
> and on and on.  It is a clear indication of one thing, he has been 
> schooled severely.  Now, just thrashing about aimlessly in shame, 
> desperately trying to save face in vain.
> 
> I ask, who wants to discuss technology with someone who practices 
> demented computing.  One example of this would be abusing files, 
> dragging them here and there without a purpose and torturing them by 
> opening the same file in multiple applications.  Who does this kind of 
> crazy stuff in real life computing?.  Maybe this is what is meant by 
> productivity, efficiency and error reduction.
> 
> People who spend a lot time in a walled garden, fall victim to this type 
> of affliction, demented computing and produce countless demented videos 
> pretending to discuss technology.  It would be more honest if they admit 
> to self-pleasuring themselves here in COLA.  A whack job if you will.

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!original/alt.support.anxiety-panic.moderated/z7GXK_8E63Y/ThFjGVHnhUoJ

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#317471 — Re: Peter Köhlmann: humiliates Snit Michael Glasser

FromNobody <nobody@invalid.com>
Date2015-08-29 17:43 +0100
SubjectRe: Peter Köhlmann: humiliates Snit Michael Glasser
Message-ID<mrsnen$p6t$1@news.albasani.net>
In reply to#317456
On 08/29/2015 03:38 PM, sbd wrote:
> Here is my take on the drama / circus going on for the past week or more:
>
> A constant, Peter this, Peter that, Peter what, Peter why, Peter where,
> Peter when, Peter who, Peter that, Peter this, Peter, Peter, Peter………on
> and on and on.  It is a clear indication of one thing, he has been
> schooled severely.  Now, just thrashing about aimlessly in shame,
> desperately trying to save face in vain.
>
> I ask, who wants to discuss technology with someone who practices
> demented computing.  One example of this would be abusing files,
> dragging them here and there without a purpose and torturing them by
> opening the same file in multiple applications.  Who does this kind of
> crazy stuff in real life computing?.  Maybe this is what is meant by
> productivity, efficiency and error reduction.
>
> People who spend a lot time in a walled garden, fall victim to this type
> of affliction, demented computing and produce countless demented videos
> pretending to discuss technology.  It would be more honest if they admit
> to self-pleasuring themselves here in COLA.  A whack job if you will.
>
> Peter, you as a programmer should be aware of the infinite loop.  Just
> jump off to exit the loop.  He will claim victory but everybody will see
> it differently, a whack job on a endless loop trying to convince
> everyone here that OS x is better than LinuX, which we know not to be true.

You have produced an excellent summary of the situation, and an apt 
description of "Snit."

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#317495 — Re: Peter Köhlmann: humiliated by his own actions

FromSnit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>
Date2015-08-29 11:56 -0700
SubjectRe: Peter Köhlmann: humiliated by his own actions
Message-ID<D2074E59.59229%usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>
In reply to#317456
On 8/29/15, 7:38 AM, in article mrsg2c$m7m$1@dont-email.me, "sbd"
<sbd.pambu@safe-mail.net> wrote:

> Here is my take on the drama / circus going on for the past week or more:
> 
> A constant, Peter this, Peter that, Peter what, Peter why, Peter where,
> Peter when, Peter who, Peter that, Peter this, Peter, Peter, PeterŠŠŠon
> and on and on.  It is a clear indication of one thing, he has been
> schooled severely.  Now, just thrashing about aimlessly in shame,
> desperately trying to save face in vain.

Peter has been "schooled". I showed him a simple feature in OS X:

<https://youtu.be/uN5eoL00kuk>

He got bent out of shape and started crossposting and moving goal posts. So
showed him OS X could do what he moved the goal posts to (something he has
never shown Linux doing):

<https://youtu.be/QkCcg0TeDp4>

And then Peter lost it even more.

> I ask, who wants to discuss technology with someone who practices
> demented computing.  One example of this would be abusing files,
> dragging them here and there without a purpose and torturing them by
> opening the same file in multiple applications.  Who does this kind of
> crazy stuff in real life computing?.  Maybe this is what is meant by
> productivity, efficiency and error reduction.

The first video I show discusses specific use cases. The second was based on
Peter's moving of goal posts... and he gave no use case.

> People who spend a lot time in a walled garden, fall victim to this type
> of affliction, demented computing and produce countless demented videos
> pretending to discuss technology.  It would be more honest if they admit
> to self-pleasuring themselves here in COLA.  A whack job if you will.
> 
> Peter, you as a programmer should be aware of the infinite loop.  Just
> jump off to exit the loop.  He will claim victory but everybody will see
> it differently, a whack job on a endless loop trying to convince
> everyone here that OS x is better than LinuX, which we know not to be true.

Peter is just clueless... heck, he admitted he finds a YouTube video (the
first one I link to, above) to be "unreadable". How he manages to dress
himself is a mystery.


-- 
* OS X / Linux: What is a file?     <http://youtu.be/_dMbXGLW9PI>
* Mint MATE Trash, Panel, Menu:     <http://youtu.be/C0y74FIf7uE>
* Mint KDE working with folders:    <http://youtu.be/7C9nvniOoE0>
* Mint KDE creating files:          <http://youtu.be/N7-fZJaJUv8>
* Mint KDE help:                    <http://youtu.be/3ikizUd3sa8>
* Mint KDE general navigation:      <http://youtu.be/t9y14yZtQuI>
* Mint KDE bugs or Easter eggs?     <http://youtu.be/CU-whJQvtfA>
* Easy on OS X / Hard on Linux:     <http://youtu.be/D3BPWANQoIk>
* OS / Word Processor Comparison:   <http://youtu.be/w6Qcl-w7s5c>

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#318015 — Re: Peter Köhlmann: humiliates Snit Michael Glasser

Fromchrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid>
Date2015-08-31 07:29 -0500
SubjectRe: Peter Köhlmann: humiliates Snit Michael Glasser
Message-ID<vqh8uapott75kc0lb33ab1hbvcg38jl75c@4ax.com>
In reply to#317456
sbd wrote:

>I ask, who wants to discuss technology with someone who practices 
>demented computing.  One example of this would be abusing files, 
>dragging them here and there without a purpose and torturing them by 
>opening the same file in multiple applications.  Who does this kind of 
>crazy stuff in real life computing?.  Maybe this is what is meant by 
>productivity, efficiency and error reduction.

I suppose the the Mac has to be more idiot-proof, considering how many
idiots use them.   8)

>People who spend a lot time in a walled garden, fall victim to this type 
>of affliction, demented computing and produce countless demented videos 
>pretending to discuss technology.  It would be more honest if they admit 
>to self-pleasuring themselves here in COLA.  A whack job if you will.

If that serially-lying thing were ever honest, the shock to its system
would cause its brain to hemorrhage.  It's addicted to lying, and the
more ludicrous the lie, the better.

-- 
"Yeah, it was horrible for me to note that JPGs *can* have EXIF data.
LOL! And years later you are *still* saying I am wrong about that!"  -
some thing, lying shamlessly (but no one can quote it lying)

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#318078 — Re: Peter K�hlmann: humiliates Snit Michael Glasser

FromSnit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>
Date2015-08-31 09:26 -0700
SubjectRe: Peter K�hlmann: humiliates Snit Michael Glasser
Message-ID<D209CE37.596C9%usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>
In reply to#318015
On 8/31/15, 5:29 AM, in article vqh8uapott75kc0lb33ab1hbvcg38jl75c@4ax.com,
"chrisv" <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:

> sbd wrote:
> 
>> I ask, who wants to discuss technology with someone who practices
>> demented computing.  One example of this would be abusing files,
>> dragging them here and there without a purpose and torturing them by
>> opening the same file in multiple applications.  Who does this kind of
>> crazy stuff in real life computing?.  Maybe this is what is meant by
>> productivity, efficiency and error reduction.
> 
> I suppose the the Mac has to be more idiot-proof, considering how many
> idiots use them.   8)
> 
>> People who spend a lot time in a walled garden, fall victim to this type
>> of affliction, demented computing and produce countless demented videos
>> pretending to discuss technology.  It would be more honest if they admit
>> to self-pleasuring themselves here in COLA.  A whack job if you will.
> 
> If that serially-lying thing were ever honest, the shock to its system
> would cause its brain to hemorrhage.  It's addicted to lying, and the
> more ludicrous the lie, the better.

Ha ha ha! All those unquotable lies. Evil.

Seriously, grow up.


-- 
* OS X / Linux: What is a file?     <http://youtu.be/_dMbXGLW9PI>
* Mint MATE Trash, Panel, Menu:     <http://youtu.be/C0y74FIf7uE>
* Mint KDE working with folders:    <http://youtu.be/7C9nvniOoE0>
* Mint KDE creating files:          <http://youtu.be/N7-fZJaJUv8>
* Mint KDE help:                    <http://youtu.be/3ikizUd3sa8>
* Mint KDE general navigation:      <http://youtu.be/t9y14yZtQuI>
* Mint KDE bugs or Easter eggs?     <http://youtu.be/CU-whJQvtfA>
* Easy on OS X / Hard on Linux:     <http://youtu.be/D3BPWANQoIk>
* OS / Word Processor Comparison:   <http://youtu.be/w6Qcl-w7s5c>

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#317483 — "Snit" exposes another Mac weakness

FromNobody <nobody@invalid.com>
Date2015-08-29 13:18 -0500
Subject"Snit" exposes another Mac weakness
Message-ID<mrst16$3nn$1@news.albasani.net>
In reply to#317316
On 8/28/2015 11:19 AM, Snit wrote:
> On 8/28/15, 9:17 AM, in article mrq1fe$pj9$2@dont-email.me, "Peter Köhlmann"
> <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> wrote:
>
>> Snit wrote:
>>
>>> On 8/28/15, 1:06 AM, in article mrp4mb$i84$1@dont-email.me, "Peter
>>> Köhlmann" <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> wrote:

[...]

> * You made it clear you are too incompetent to view a YouTube file.

It requires "competence" to view a YouTube file on a Mac?   Does using a 
Mac browser involve hand cranks, throw levers, and foot pedals?

In Linux you just click the video and it plays.  No "competence" required...

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#317589 — Re: "Snit" exposes another Mac weakness

Fromronb <ronbNOSPAM@gmail.com>
Date2015-08-30 00:30 +0000
SubjectRe: "Snit" exposes another Mac weakness
Message-ID<mrtiqn$oth$4@dont-email.me>
In reply to#317483
On Sat, 29 Aug 2015 13:18:14 -0500, Nobody wrote:

> On 8/28/2015 11:19 AM, Snit wrote:
>> On 8/28/15, 9:17 AM, in article mrq1fe$pj9$2@dont-email.me, "Peter
>> Köhlmann"
>> <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> wrote:
>>
>>> Snit wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 8/28/15, 1:06 AM, in article mrp4mb$i84$1@dont-email.me, "Peter
>>>> Köhlmann" <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> wrote:
> 
> [...]
> 
>> * You made it clear you are too incompetent to view a YouTube file.
> 
> It requires "competence" to view a YouTube file on a Mac?   Does using a
> Mac browser involve hand cranks, throw levers, and foot pedals?
> 
> In Linux you just click the video and it plays.  No "competence"
> required...

Hey, the concept of files and folders is "challenging" to "Snit." Cut him 
some slack.

-- 
Zero tolerance for LYING WinDrones & iCultists

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#317600 — Re: The herd's sour grapes

FromSnit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>
Date2015-08-29 17:41 -0700
SubjectRe: The herd's sour grapes
Message-ID<D2079F37.59339%usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>
In reply to#317589
On 8/29/15, 5:30 PM, in article mrtiqn$oth$4@dont-email.me, "ronb"
<ronbNOSPAM@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sat, 29 Aug 2015 13:18:14 -0500, Nobody wrote:
> 
>> On 8/28/2015 11:19 AM, Snit wrote:
>>> On 8/28/15, 9:17 AM, in article mrq1fe$pj9$2@dont-email.me, "Peter
>>> Köhlmann"
>>> <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Snit wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> On 8/28/15, 1:06 AM, in article mrp4mb$i84$1@dont-email.me, "Peter
>>>>> Köhlmann" <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> wrote:
>> 
>> [...]
>> 
>>> * You made it clear you are too incompetent to view a YouTube file.
>> 
>> It requires "competence" to view a YouTube file on a Mac?   Does using a
>> Mac browser involve hand cranks, throw levers, and foot pedals?
>> 
>> In Linux you just click the video and it plays.  No "competence"
>> required...
> 
> Hey, the concept of files and folders is "challenging" to "Snit." Cut him
> some slack.

Good grief... your herd is in MAJOR sour grapes more.

OK, to summarize and then, shortly, drop out of this idiotic circus the herd
is pushing (unless we can get you guys to focus on tech).

OS X has a number of pretty cool features that allow you to streamline your
work based on the context:

* PDF Services: folders and apps you can send a PDF version of the file you
are working on from the print dialog
* System Services: allows you to target selections by type, such as files
and folders, images, videos, documents in general, audio files, etc. You can
then run scripts on these. You can also select what programs to have the
options be available in (though this is somewhat limited in capability).
* Sharing: allows for sharing to iCloud or email or through Facebook or
Twitter or the like. Different programs have different options depending on
the context.
* Actions: things which tie into images and PDFs, say in Mail or other apps.

In each case Apple provides some options but you can create others or get
others from third parties. These work SYSTEM wide, with few programs not
tying into them. 

Linux has a small subset of this capability... but it is not as if these
things are the be-all and end-all of computing. Nobody has belittled Linux
for it, nor Windows (which is more like Linux in this way). Nobody has said
Linux is unusable or bad or suggested anyone switch away from Linux because
of this.

But the herd is so insecure they cannot stand the thought or choice. They
cannot stand the thought that Linux is not the best at everything. So they
cry about the sour grapes and they attack.

Utterly pathetic. 

-- 
* OS X / Linux: What is a file?     <http://youtu.be/_dMbXGLW9PI>
* Mint MATE Trash, Panel, Menu:     <http://youtu.be/C0y74FIf7uE>
* Mint KDE working with folders:    <http://youtu.be/7C9nvniOoE0>
* Mint KDE creating files:          <http://youtu.be/N7-fZJaJUv8>
* Mint KDE help:                    <http://youtu.be/3ikizUd3sa8>
* Mint KDE general navigation:      <http://youtu.be/t9y14yZtQuI>
* Mint KDE bugs or Easter eggs?     <http://youtu.be/CU-whJQvtfA>
* Easy on OS X / Hard on Linux:     <http://youtu.be/D3BPWANQoIk>
* OS / Word Processor Comparison:   <http://youtu.be/w6Qcl-w7s5c>

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#317606 — Re: The herd's sour grapes

Fromowl <owl@rooftop.invalid>
Date2015-08-30 00:44 +0000
SubjectRe: The herd's sour grapes
Message-ID<sfmcnv93.sjd@rooftop.invalid>
In reply to#317600
Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
> On 8/29/15, 5:30 PM, in article mrtiqn$oth$4@dont-email.me, "ronb"
> <ronbNOSPAM@gmail.com> wrote:

>> On Sat, 29 Aug 2015 13:18:14 -0500, Nobody wrote:
>> 
>>> On 8/28/2015 11:19 AM, Snit wrote:
>>>> On 8/28/15, 9:17 AM, in article mrq1fe$pj9$2@dont-email.me, "Peter
>>>> Köhlmann"
>>>> <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Snit wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 8/28/15, 1:06 AM, in article mrp4mb$i84$1@dont-email.me, "Peter
>>>>>> Köhlmann" <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> wrote:
>>> 
>>> [...]
>>> 
>>>> * You made it clear you are too incompetent to view a YouTube file.
>>> 
>>> It requires "competence" to view a YouTube file on a Mac?   Does using a
>>> Mac browser involve hand cranks, throw levers, and foot pedals?
>>> 
>>> In Linux you just click the video and it plays.  No "competence"
>>> required...
>> 
>> Hey, the concept of files and folders is "challenging" to "Snit." Cut him
>> some slack.

> Good grief... your herd is in MAJOR sour grapes more.

> OK, to summarize and then, shortly, drop out of this idiotic circus the herd
> is pushing (unless we can get you guys to focus on tech).

> OS X has a number of pretty cool features that allow you to streamline your
> work based on the context:

> * PDF Services: folders and apps you can send a PDF version of the file you
> are working on from the print dialog
> * System Services: allows you to target selections by type, such as files
> and folders, images, videos, documents in general, audio files, etc. You can
> then run scripts on these. You can also select what programs to have the
> options be available in (though this is somewhat limited in capability).
> * Sharing: allows for sharing to iCloud or email or through Facebook or
> Twitter or the like. Different programs have different options depending on
> the context.
> * Actions: things which tie into images and PDFs, say in Mail or other apps.

> In each case Apple provides some options but you can create others or get
> others from third parties. These work SYSTEM wide, with few programs not
> tying into them. 

> Linux has a small subset of this capability... but it is not as if these
> things are the be-all and end-all of computing. Nobody has belittled Linux
> for it, nor Windows (which is more like Linux in this way). Nobody has said
> Linux is unusable or bad or suggested anyone switch away from Linux because
> of this.

> But the herd is so insecure they cannot stand the thought or choice. They
> cannot stand the thought that Linux is not the best at everything. So they
> cry about the sour grapes and they attack.

> Utterly pathetic. 

You can't do this on Mack:
https://vid.me/2SuL

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#317620 — Re: The herd's sour grapes

Fromvallor <vallor@cultnix.org>
Date2015-08-30 01:30 +0000
SubjectRe: The herd's sour grapes
Message-ID<55e25cb3$0$19608$c3e8da3$b1356c67@news.astraweb.com>
In reply to#317606
On Sun, 30 Aug 2015 00:44:59 +0000, owl wrote:

> Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>> On 8/29/15, 5:30 PM, in article mrtiqn$oth$4@dont-email.me, "ronb"
>> <ronbNOSPAM@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>>> On Sat, 29 Aug 2015 13:18:14 -0500, Nobody wrote:
>>> 
>>>> On 8/28/2015 11:19 AM, Snit wrote:
>>>>> On 8/28/15, 9:17 AM, in article mrq1fe$pj9$2@dont-email.me, "Peter
>>>>> Köhlmann"
>>>>> <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Snit wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 8/28/15, 1:06 AM, in article mrp4mb$i84$1@dont-email.me, "Peter
>>>>>>> Köhlmann" <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> [...]
>>>> 
>>>>> * You made it clear you are too incompetent to view a YouTube file.
>>>> 
>>>> It requires "competence" to view a YouTube file on a Mac?   Does
>>>> using a Mac browser involve hand cranks, throw levers, and foot
>>>> pedals?
>>>> 
>>>> In Linux you just click the video and it plays.  No "competence"
>>>> required...
>>> 
>>> Hey, the concept of files and folders is "challenging" to "Snit." Cut
>>> him some slack.
> 
>> Good grief... your herd is in MAJOR sour grapes more.
> 
>> OK, to summarize and then, shortly, drop out of this idiotic circus the
>> herd is pushing (unless we can get you guys to focus on tech).
> 
>> OS X has a number of pretty cool features that allow you to streamline
>> your work based on the context:
> 
>> * PDF Services: folders and apps you can send a PDF version of the file
>> you are working on from the print dialog * System Services: allows you
>> to target selections by type, such as files and folders, images,
>> videos, documents in general, audio files, etc. You can then run
>> scripts on these. You can also select what programs to have the options
>> be available in (though this is somewhat limited in capability).
>> * Sharing: allows for sharing to iCloud or email or through Facebook or
>> Twitter or the like. Different programs have different options
>> depending on the context.
>> * Actions: things which tie into images and PDFs, say in Mail or other
>> apps.
> 
>> In each case Apple provides some options but you can create others or
>> get others from third parties. These work SYSTEM wide, with few
>> programs not tying into them.
> 
>> Linux has a small subset of this capability... but it is not as if
>> these things are the be-all and end-all of computing. Nobody has
>> belittled Linux for it, nor Windows (which is more like Linux in this
>> way). Nobody has said Linux is unusable or bad or suggested anyone
>> switch away from Linux because of this.
> 
>> But the herd is so insecure they cannot stand the thought or choice.
>> They cannot stand the thought that Linux is not the best at everything.
>> So they cry about the sour grapes and they attack.
> 
>> Utterly pathetic.
> 
> You can't do this on Mack: https://vid.me/2SuL

He's in auto-repeat troll mode now -- no facts will persuade him to do 
otherwise.

Meanwhile, readers at this point are completely convinced that Mr. 
gallopinginsanity writings are delusional.  Might as well just break out 
of the loop and let him blather on into the void.

-- 
 -v

Definitions of hardware and software for dummies:

	Hardware is what you kick;
	Software is what you curse.

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#317622 — Re: The herd's sour grapes

Fromowl <owl@rooftop.invalid>
Date2015-08-30 01:46 +0000
SubjectRe: The herd's sour grapes
Message-ID<adf.vk93@rooftop.invalid>
In reply to#317620
vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> wrote:
> On Sun, 30 Aug 2015 00:44:59 +0000, owl wrote:

>> Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>>> On 8/29/15, 5:30 PM, in article mrtiqn$oth$4@dont-email.me, "ronb"
>>> <ronbNOSPAM@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>>> On Sat, 29 Aug 2015 13:18:14 -0500, Nobody wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> On 8/28/2015 11:19 AM, Snit wrote:
>>>>>> On 8/28/15, 9:17 AM, in article mrq1fe$pj9$2@dont-email.me, "Peter
>>>>>> Köhlmann"
>>>>>> <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Snit wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On 8/28/15, 1:06 AM, in article mrp4mb$i84$1@dont-email.me, "Peter
>>>>>>>> Köhlmann" <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> [...]
>>>>> 
>>>>>> * You made it clear you are too incompetent to view a YouTube file.
>>>>> 
>>>>> It requires "competence" to view a YouTube file on a Mac?   Does
>>>>> using a Mac browser involve hand cranks, throw levers, and foot
>>>>> pedals?
>>>>> 
>>>>> In Linux you just click the video and it plays.  No "competence"
>>>>> required...
>>>> 
>>>> Hey, the concept of files and folders is "challenging" to "Snit." Cut
>>>> him some slack.
>> 
>>> Good grief... your herd is in MAJOR sour grapes more.
>> 
>>> OK, to summarize and then, shortly, drop out of this idiotic circus the
>>> herd is pushing (unless we can get you guys to focus on tech).
>> 
>>> OS X has a number of pretty cool features that allow you to streamline
>>> your work based on the context:
>> 
>>> * PDF Services: folders and apps you can send a PDF version of the file
>>> you are working on from the print dialog * System Services: allows you
>>> to target selections by type, such as files and folders, images,
>>> videos, documents in general, audio files, etc. You can then run
>>> scripts on these. You can also select what programs to have the options
>>> be available in (though this is somewhat limited in capability).
>>> * Sharing: allows for sharing to iCloud or email or through Facebook or
>>> Twitter or the like. Different programs have different options
>>> depending on the context.
>>> * Actions: things which tie into images and PDFs, say in Mail or other
>>> apps.
>> 
>>> In each case Apple provides some options but you can create others or
>>> get others from third parties. These work SYSTEM wide, with few
>>> programs not tying into them.
>> 
>>> Linux has a small subset of this capability... but it is not as if
>>> these things are the be-all and end-all of computing. Nobody has
>>> belittled Linux for it, nor Windows (which is more like Linux in this
>>> way). Nobody has said Linux is unusable or bad or suggested anyone
>>> switch away from Linux because of this.
>> 
>>> But the herd is so insecure they cannot stand the thought or choice.
>>> They cannot stand the thought that Linux is not the best at everything.
>>> So they cry about the sour grapes and they attack.
>> 
>>> Utterly pathetic.
>> 
>> You can't do this on Mack: https://vid.me/2SuL

> He's in auto-repeat troll mode now -- no facts will persuade him to do 
> otherwise.

> Meanwhile, readers at this point are completely convinced that Mr. 
> gallopinginsanity writings are delusional.  Might as well just break out 
> of the loop and let him blather on into the void.

Yeah, this one's done.  Chalk up yet another victory for Linux.

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#317639 — Re: The herd's sour grapes

FromSnit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>
Date2015-08-29 21:58 -0700
SubjectRe: The herd's sour grapes
Message-ID<D207DB89.593A0%usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>
In reply to#317622
On 8/29/15, 6:46 PM, in article adf.vk93@rooftop.invalid, "owl"
<owl@rooftop.invalid> wrote:

>>>> Utterly pathetic.
>>> 
>>> You can't do this on Mack: https://vid.me/2SuL
> 
>> He's in auto-repeat troll mode now -- no facts will persuade him to do
>> otherwise.
> 
>> Meanwhile, readers at this point are completely convinced that Mr.
>> gallopinginsanity writings are delusional.  Might as well just break out
>> of the loop and let him blather on into the void.
> 
> Yeah, this one's done.  Chalk up yet another victory for Linux.

What do you think Linux won? Really? I do not understand? I know I won
because I learned about the PDF conversion on Linux. That is a win.

I also won because I have provided you with the material to understand what
it means to have a system which is more streamlines and context aware. I
showed multiple examples of single tasks or just a few then put a lot of
that together here: <https://youtu.be/mb3Y7xjwnoo>.

That is the point of the other tools... the idea you can do these all. You
are able to replicate one or two at a time, though sometimes with odd
workarounds such as having to go to the file browser to work with a web page
in your web browser (that is where you have control so that is where you
go), but to have all of these things at once is something that Linux does
not offer without having massive clutter. This would include, but NOT be
limited to: 

* Save current document to Recipes as PDF
* Save current document to Web Receipts as PDF
* Save current document to Desktop
* Save current document to Downloads (I use that as a catchall)
* Convert current document to PDF with same name and email
* Convert current document to PDF with selectable name and email
  (occurs to me now it would be cool if the email client just let
  you select the attachment and re-name... if Linux clients let
  you do this it would serve much the same need... OS X's Mail
  does not)
* View selected text in Tofu (a tool to make reading lots of text
  easier)
* Look up selected text in Kid's Dictionary
* Look up selected text in Urban Dictionary
* Look up selected text in Wikipedia
* Look up selected text in standard dictionary
* View selected phone number in larger type
* View selected address in a system map tool
* View selected address in Google maps
* Get word count of selected text
* Add selected text to a program that tracks deliveries
* Email the selected webpage to someone, as a webpage
* Set the selected URL to be put in a reading list
* Send the selected URL to Facebook, with comments
* Scan the selected files / folders with a malware program
* Delete the selected application
* Get a quick look at the contents of this file or archive
* Make some basic edits to this image / PDF attachment in email
* Do a "man" search on the selected text
* Add a Lorem Ipsum sentence at the insertion point
* Add a Lorem Ipsum paragraph at the insertion point
* Get all local links from the current web page
* Get all image links from the current web page
* Open the current file in a new instance of the associated program
* New Terminal at Folder
* Encode selected audio file
* Encode selected video file
* Set PDF meta-data

That is just insane. Now YOU have a choice: if you can learn we BOTH win. If
you cannot we both lose... for my goal is not just to learn but to educate.
So can you show understanding?


-- 
* OS X / Linux: What is a file?     <http://youtu.be/_dMbXGLW9PI>
* Mint MATE Trash, Panel, Menu:     <http://youtu.be/C0y74FIf7uE>
* Mint KDE working with folders:    <http://youtu.be/7C9nvniOoE0>
* Mint KDE creating files:          <http://youtu.be/N7-fZJaJUv8>
* Mint KDE help:                    <http://youtu.be/3ikizUd3sa8>
* Mint KDE general navigation:      <http://youtu.be/t9y14yZtQuI>
* Mint KDE bugs or Easter eggs?     <http://youtu.be/CU-whJQvtfA>
* Easy on OS X / Hard on Linux:     <http://youtu.be/D3BPWANQoIk>
* OS / Word Processor Comparison:   <http://youtu.be/w6Qcl-w7s5c>

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#317628 — Re: The herd's sour grapes

Fromronb <ronbNOSPAM@gmail.com>
Date2015-08-30 02:19 +0000
SubjectRe: The herd's sour grapes
Message-ID<mrtp88$4do$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#317620
On Sun, 30 Aug 2015 01:30:27 +0000, vallor wrote:

> He's in auto-repeat troll mode now -- no facts will persuade him to do
> otherwise.
> 
> Meanwhile, readers at this point are completely convinced that Mr.
> gallopinginsanity writings are delusional.  Might as well just break out
> of the loop and let him blather on into the void.

Absolutely, 100% agree. The only time he pretends to be "reasonable" is 
when using a new nym and pretending to have serious questions about 
Linux. (Questions that would be normally asked at the distribution's 
forum or website.) His tactic is so transparent at this point that you 
immediately know who it is and an instant addition to your killfile is a 
painless procedure.

-- 
Zero tolerance for LYING WinDrones & iCultists

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#317637 — Re: The herd's sour grapes

FromSnit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>
Date2015-08-29 21:50 -0700
SubjectRe: The herd's sour grapes
Message-ID<D207D9B6.59399%usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>
In reply to#317620
On 8/29/15, 6:30 PM, in article
55e25cb3$0$19608$c3e8da3$b1356c67@news.astraweb.com, "vallor"
<vallor@cultnix.org> wrote:

>> 
>>> Utterly pathetic.
>> 
>> You can't do this on Mack: https://vid.me/2SuL
> 
> He's in auto-repeat troll mode now -- no facts will persuade him to do
> otherwise.

If you have facts to offer please do!

> Meanwhile, readers at this point are completely convinced that Mr.
> gallopinginsanity writings are delusional.  Might as well just break out
> of the loop and let him blather on into the void.

Sigh. You are in herd mode. Nothing about technology from you.


-- 
* OS X / Linux: What is a file?     <http://youtu.be/_dMbXGLW9PI>
* Mint MATE Trash, Panel, Menu:     <http://youtu.be/C0y74FIf7uE>
* Mint KDE working with folders:    <http://youtu.be/7C9nvniOoE0>
* Mint KDE creating files:          <http://youtu.be/N7-fZJaJUv8>
* Mint KDE help:                    <http://youtu.be/3ikizUd3sa8>
* Mint KDE general navigation:      <http://youtu.be/t9y14yZtQuI>
* Mint KDE bugs or Easter eggs?     <http://youtu.be/CU-whJQvtfA>
* Easy on OS X / Hard on Linux:     <http://youtu.be/D3BPWANQoIk>
* OS / Word Processor Comparison:   <http://youtu.be/w6Qcl-w7s5c>

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#317638 — Re: The herd's sour grapes

FromSnit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>
Date2015-08-29 21:53 -0700
SubjectRe: The herd's sour grapes
Message-ID<D207DA6D.5939E%usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>
In reply to#317606
On 8/29/15, 5:44 PM, in article sfmcnv93.sjd@rooftop.invalid, "owl"
<owl@rooftop.invalid> wrote:

>> But the herd is so insecure they cannot stand the thought or choice. They
>> cannot stand the thought that Linux is not the best at everything. So they
>> cry about the sour grapes and they attack.
> 
>> Utterly pathetic.
> 
> You can't do this on Mack:
> https://vid.me/2SuL

Well, I could add it to the Finder Services menu or add it to the dock...
but why the heck would I want to go to the desktop to save a file from a web
page I am looking at when I am already at the browser? That makes no real
sense... it is a work around you came up with for NOT having a direct means
so you created an indirect one.




-- 
* OS X / Linux: What is a file?     <http://youtu.be/_dMbXGLW9PI>
* Mint MATE Trash, Panel, Menu:     <http://youtu.be/C0y74FIf7uE>
* Mint KDE working with folders:    <http://youtu.be/7C9nvniOoE0>
* Mint KDE creating files:          <http://youtu.be/N7-fZJaJUv8>
* Mint KDE help:                    <http://youtu.be/3ikizUd3sa8>
* Mint KDE general navigation:      <http://youtu.be/t9y14yZtQuI>
* Mint KDE bugs or Easter eggs?     <http://youtu.be/CU-whJQvtfA>
* Easy on OS X / Hard on Linux:     <http://youtu.be/D3BPWANQoIk>
* OS / Word Processor Comparison:   <http://youtu.be/w6Qcl-w7s5c>

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