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Linux 30% slower bullshit

Started byDFS <nospam@dfs.com>
First post2015-04-24 00:51 -0400
Last post2015-04-26 07:22 -0700
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  Linux 30% slower bullshit DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-04-24 00:51 -0400
    Re: Linux 30% slower bullshit taka0038@gmail.com - 2015-04-24 01:47 -0700
      Re: Linux 30% slower bullshit Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2015-04-24 10:41 +0100
      DFS 30% slower bullshit Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2015-04-24 06:28 -0400
        Re: DFS 30% slower bullshit -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2015-04-24 03:41 -0700
          Re: DFS 30% slower bullshit Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-04-24 13:16 +0200
            Re: DFS 30% slower bullshit -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2015-04-24 04:22 -0700
              Re: DFS 30% slower bullshit Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-04-24 13:38 +0200
                Re: DFS 30% slower bullshit Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2015-04-24 08:55 -0400
                  Re: DFS 30% slower bullshit -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2015-04-24 06:29 -0700
                Re: DFS 30% slower bullshit Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2015-04-24 15:01 +0200
                Re: DFS 30% slower bullshit -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2015-04-24 06:27 -0700
                Re: Linux 30% slower bullshit DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-04-24 09:35 -0400
                  Re: Linux 30% slower bullshit Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-24 10:11 -0400
                    Re: Linux 30% slower bullshit Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-04-24 08:53 -0700
              Re: DFS 30% slower bullshit "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2015-04-24 09:26 -0400
            Re: DFS 30% slower bullshit Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2015-04-24 08:59 -0400
              Re: DFS 30% slower bullshit -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2015-04-24 06:33 -0700
        Re: DFS 30% slower bullshit Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-04-24 13:14 +0200
        Re: Linux 30% slower bullshit DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-04-24 12:29 -0400
          Re: Linux 30% slower bullshit Tomas <tgif9fri@numo.net> - 2015-04-24 12:33 -0400
            Re: Linux 30% slower bullshit Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-24 17:33 -0400
          Re: Linux 30% slower bullshit Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-24 14:53 -0400
          Re: Linux 30% slower bullshit owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-04-24 21:34 +0000
            Re: Linux 30% slower bullshit DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-04-28 07:28 -0400
        Re: DFS 30% slower bullshit JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> - 2015-04-26 18:52 -0500
          Re: DFS 30% slower bullshit chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-04-27 07:39 -0500
            Re: DFS 30% slower bullshit DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-04-27 08:46 -0400
      Re: Linux 30% slower bullshit Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2015-04-24 14:53 +0200
        Re: Linux 30% slower bullshit chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-04-24 08:08 -0500
          Re: Linux 30% slower bullshit Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2015-04-24 15:09 +0200
            Re: Linux 30% slower bullshit -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2015-04-24 06:35 -0700
            Re: Linux 30% slower bullshit GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-04-24 11:54 -0600
              Re: Linux 30% slower bullshit Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-24 17:39 -0400
                Re: Linux 30% slower bullshit GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-04-24 15:50 -0600
                  Re: Linux 30% slower bullshit Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-24 18:18 -0400
              Re: Linux 30% slower bullshit DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-04-25 09:18 -0400
                Re: Linux 30% slower bullshit Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-25 11:12 -0400
                Re: Linux 30% slower bullshit GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-04-25 11:54 -0600
    Re: Linux 30% slower bullshit taka0038@gmail.com - 2015-04-24 06:44 -0700
      Re: Linux 30% slower bullshit DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-04-24 10:07 -0400
        Re: Linux 30% slower bullshit vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2015-04-24 07:52 -0700
          Re: Linux 30% slower bullshit Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2015-04-24 16:58 +0200
          Re: Linux 30% slower bullshit DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-04-24 11:03 -0400
            Re: Linux 30% slower bullshit Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2015-04-24 17:14 +0200
              Re: Linux 30% slower bullshit taka0038@gmail.com - 2015-04-24 08:55 -0700
                Re: Linux 30% slower bullshit Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-04-24 18:07 +0200
                  Re: Linux 30% slower bullshit taka0038@gmail.com - 2015-04-24 09:34 -0700
                Re: Linux 30% slower bullshit Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2015-04-24 12:26 -0400
              Re: Linux 30% slower bullshit DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-04-24 12:11 -0400
          Re: Linux 30% slower bullshit Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2015-04-24 12:18 -0400
            Who cares what you have to say, troll. GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-04-24 11:50 -0600
          Re: Linux 30% slower bullshit Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2015-04-24 17:39 +0100
            Re: Linux 30% slower bullshit vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2015-04-24 10:04 -0700
              Re: Linux 30% slower bullshit GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-04-24 11:50 -0600
                Re: Linux 30% slower bullshit owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-04-24 23:08 +0000
      Re: Linux 30% slower bullshit Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-24 10:18 -0400
        Re: Linux 30% slower bullshit Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2015-04-24 17:42 +0100
          Re: Linux 30% slower bullshit Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-24 17:35 -0400
            Re: Linux 30% slower bullshit Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-04-25 00:00 +0200
              Re: Linux 30% slower bullshit Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-04-24 15:44 -0700
                Re: Linux 30% slower bullshit Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-24 20:57 -0400
                  Re: Linux 30% slower bullshit Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-04-24 18:50 -0700
                    Re: Linux 30% slower bullshit Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-25 10:51 -0400
                      Re: Linux 30% slower bullshit Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-04-25 10:02 -0700
                        Re: Linux 30% slower bullshit Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-25 14:34 -0400
                          Re: Linux 30% slower bullshit Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-04-25 15:14 -0700
                            Re: Linux 30% slower bullshit Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-25 20:53 -0400
                              Re: Linux 30% slower bullshit Tomas <tgif9fri@numo.net> - 2015-04-25 21:37 -0400
                                Re: Linux 30% slower bullshit Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-25 21:55 -0400
                                Re: Linux 30% slower bullshit Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-04-25 19:37 -0700
                                  Re: Linux 30% slower bullshit Tomas <tgif9fri@numo.net> - 2015-04-25 22:42 -0400
                                    Re: Linux 30% slower bullshit Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-04-25 19:51 -0700
                                    Re: Linux 30% slower bullshit owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-04-26 03:23 +0000
                                      Re: Linux 30% slower bullshit Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-04-25 20:39 -0700
                                        Re: Linux 30% slower bullshit owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-04-26 04:29 +0000
                                          Re: Linux 30% slower bullshit Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-04-25 22:55 -0700
                                            Re: Linux 30% slower bullshit Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2015-04-26 10:14 -0700
                                          Re: Linux 30% slower bullshit DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-04-26 23:12 -0400
                                            Re: Linux 30% slower bullshit owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-04-27 03:28 +0000
                                      Re: Linux 30% slower bullshit Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-26 00:00 -0400
                                        Re: Linux 30% slower bullshit Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-04-25 21:18 -0700
                                        Re: Linux 30% slower bullshit owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-04-26 04:48 +0000
                                          Re: Linux 30% slower bullshit Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-26 12:39 -0400
                                            Re: Linux 30% slower bullshit Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-04-26 10:33 -0700
                                          Re: Linux 30% slower bullshit Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2015-04-26 11:45 -0700
                              Re: Linux 30% slower bullshit Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-04-25 19:39 -0700
    One of the stupidest comments on COLA that Moi has ever seen. John Gohde <john.h.gohde@gmail.com> - 2015-04-26 07:22 -0700

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#291382

FromDFS <nospam@dfs.com>
Date2015-04-24 10:07 -0400
Message-ID<mhdile$jnd$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#291377
On 04/24/2015 09:44 AM, taka0038@gmail.com wrote:
> On Friday, April 24, 2015 at 1:51:57 PM UTC+9, DFS wrote:
>> The hobbyware is really dragging these days.
>>
>> Dual-booting Mint 17.1 Cinnamon 64-bit and Windows Server 2012 R2
>> 64-bit (eval version)

<snip>


>> Why is the most popular hobbyist "operating system" 30% slower
>> than Windows at copying 2 large files?
>>
>> (the answer is actually in the question)

> I guess DFS used a crappy SATA driver for the Mint and well tuned
> commercial SATA driver in the Windoze.  That's the problem with
> Linux, hardware is not supported as well as in the M$World ...  SATA
> speed on the chipset makes a hell of difference!


I used whatever drivers were installed by default on Linux and Windows.

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#291395

Fromvallor <vallor@cultnix.org>
Date2015-04-24 07:52 -0700
Message-ID<553a589b$0$56564$c3e8da3$38634283@news.astraweb.com>
In reply to#291382
On 04/24/2015 07:07 AM, DFS wrote:
> On 04/24/2015 09:44 AM, taka0038@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Friday, April 24, 2015 at 1:51:57 PM UTC+9, DFS wrote:
>>> The hobbyware is really dragging these days.
>>>
>>> Dual-booting Mint 17.1 Cinnamon 64-bit and Windows Server 2012 R2
>>> 64-bit (eval version)
> 
> <snip>
> 
> 
>>> Why is the most popular hobbyist "operating system" 30% slower
>>> than Windows at copying 2 large files?
>>>
>>> (the answer is actually in the question)
> 
>> I guess DFS used a crappy SATA driver for the Mint and well tuned
>> commercial SATA driver in the Windoze.  That's the problem with
>> Linux, hardware is not supported as well as in the M$World ...  SATA
>> speed on the chipset makes a hell of difference!
> 
> 
> I used whatever drivers were installed by default on Linux and Windows.
> 
> 

What about the drives themselves?

Are they identical?  What brand?  Spinners or SSD?  Etc.

-- 
 -v

You must know that a man can have only one invulnerable loyalty, loyalty
to his own concept of the obligations of manhood.  All other loyalties
are merely deputies of that one.
		-- Nero Wolfe

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#291397

FromMelzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com>
Date2015-04-24 16:58 +0200
Message-ID<20150424165800.12fd0485@maxa-pc>
In reply to#291395
On Fri, 24 Apr 2015 07:52:11 -0700
vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> wrote:

> On 04/24/2015 07:07 AM, DFS wrote:
> > On 04/24/2015 09:44 AM, taka0038@gmail.com wrote:
> >> On Friday, April 24, 2015 at 1:51:57 PM UTC+9, DFS wrote:
> >>> The hobbyware is really dragging these days.
> >>>
> >>> Dual-booting Mint 17.1 Cinnamon 64-bit and Windows Server 2012 R2
> >>> 64-bit (eval version)
> > 
> > <snip>
> > 
> > 
> >>> Why is the most popular hobbyist "operating system" 30% slower
> >>> than Windows at copying 2 large files?
> >>>
> >>> (the answer is actually in the question)
> > 
> >> I guess DFS used a crappy SATA driver for the Mint and well tuned
> >> commercial SATA driver in the Windoze.  That's the problem with
> >> Linux, hardware is not supported as well as in the M$World ...
> >> SATA speed on the chipset makes a hell of difference!
> > 
> > 
> > I used whatever drivers were installed by default on Linux and
> > Windows.
> > 
> > 
> 
> What about the drives themselves?
> 
> Are they identical?  What brand?  Spinners or SSD?  Etc.
> 

Spinners...

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#291400

FromDFS <nospam@dfs.com>
Date2015-04-24 11:03 -0400
Message-ID<mhdlv0$1ns$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#291395
On 04/24/2015 10:52 AM, vallor wrote:
> On 04/24/2015 07:07 AM, DFS wrote:
>> On 04/24/2015 09:44 AM, taka0038@gmail.com wrote:
>>> On Friday, April 24, 2015 at 1:51:57 PM UTC+9, DFS wrote:
>>>> The hobbyware is really dragging these days.
>>>>
>>>> Dual-booting Mint 17.1 Cinnamon 64-bit and Windows Server 2012 R2
>>>> 64-bit (eval version)
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>>
>>>> Why is the most popular hobbyist "operating system" 30% slower
>>>> than Windows at copying 2 large files?
>>>>
>>>> (the answer is actually in the question)
>>
>>> I guess DFS used a crappy SATA driver for the Mint and well tuned
>>> commercial SATA driver in the Windoze.  That's the problem with
>>> Linux, hardware is not supported as well as in the M$World ...  SATA
>>> speed on the chipset makes a hell of difference!
>>
>>
>> I used whatever drivers were installed by default on Linux and Windows.
>>
>>
>
> What about the drives themselves?
>
> Are they identical?  What brand?  Spinners or SSD?  Etc.


OSs are installed on the same SSD: 128GB Corsair Force GS.

All copy operations done on/using that drive.

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#291402

FromMelzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com>
Date2015-04-24 17:14 +0200
Message-ID<20150424171405.5b6d8be0@maxa-pc>
In reply to#291400
On Fri, 24 Apr 2015 11:03:54 -0400
DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:

> On 04/24/2015 10:52 AM, vallor wrote:
> > On 04/24/2015 07:07 AM, DFS wrote:
> >> On 04/24/2015 09:44 AM, taka0038@gmail.com wrote:
> >>> On Friday, April 24, 2015 at 1:51:57 PM UTC+9, DFS wrote:
> >>>> The hobbyware is really dragging these days.
> >>>>
> >>>> Dual-booting Mint 17.1 Cinnamon 64-bit and Windows Server 2012 R2
> >>>> 64-bit (eval version)
> >>
> >> <snip>
> >>
> >>
> >>>> Why is the most popular hobbyist "operating system" 30% slower
> >>>> than Windows at copying 2 large files?
> >>>>
> >>>> (the answer is actually in the question)
> >>
> >>> I guess DFS used a crappy SATA driver for the Mint and well tuned
> >>> commercial SATA driver in the Windoze.  That's the problem with
> >>> Linux, hardware is not supported as well as in the M$World ...
> >>> SATA speed on the chipset makes a hell of difference!
> >>
> >>
> >> I used whatever drivers were installed by default on Linux and
> >> Windows.
> >>
> >>
> >
> > What about the drives themselves?
> >
> > Are they identical?  What brand?  Spinners or SSD?  Etc.
> 
> 
> OSs are installed on the same SSD: 128GB Corsair Force GS.
> 
> All copy operations done on/using that drive.
> 

Your SSD has write speed of HDD...

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#291408

Fromtaka0038@gmail.com
Date2015-04-24 08:55 -0700
Message-ID<d4900cbe-d18b-49a2-a99a-d4f270d5a46f@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#291402
On Saturday, April 25, 2015 at 12:14:07 AM UTC+9, Melzzzzz wrote:
> On Fri, 24 Apr 2015 11:03:54 -0400
> DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:
> 
> > On 04/24/2015 10:52 AM, vallor wrote:
> > > On 04/24/2015 07:07 AM, DFS wrote:
> > >> On 04/24/2015 09:44 AM, taka0038@gmail.com wrote:
> > >>> On Friday, April 24, 2015 at 1:51:57 PM UTC+9, DFS wrote:
> > >>>> The hobbyware is really dragging these days.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Dual-booting Mint 17.1 Cinnamon 64-bit and Windows Server 2012 R2
> > >>>> 64-bit (eval version)
> > >>
> > >> <snip>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>>> Why is the most popular hobbyist "operating system" 30% slower
> > >>>> than Windows at copying 2 large files?
> > >>>>
> > >>>> (the answer is actually in the question)
> > >>
> > >>> I guess DFS used a crappy SATA driver for the Mint and well tuned
> > >>> commercial SATA driver in the Windoze.  That's the problem with
> > >>> Linux, hardware is not supported as well as in the M$World ...
> > >>> SATA speed on the chipset makes a hell of difference!
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> I used whatever drivers were installed by default on Linux and
> > >> Windows.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > > What about the drives themselves?
> > >
> > > Are they identical?  What brand?  Spinners or SSD?  Etc.
> > 
> > 
> > OSs are installed on the same SSD: 128GB Corsair Force GS.
> > 
> > All copy operations done on/using that drive.
> > 
> 
> Your SSD has write speed of HDD...

Were the partitions aligned to the NAND erase block size?  That's one secret the manufacturers are hiding from the Linux communities ...

And make sure you got "noop" in /sys/block/sd*/queue/scheduler 

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#291413

FromPeter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de>
Date2015-04-24 18:07 +0200
Message-ID<mhdpmk$gpn$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#291408
taka0038@gmail.com wrote:

> On Saturday, April 25, 2015 at 12:14:07 AM UTC+9, Melzzzzz wrote:
>> On Fri, 24 Apr 2015 11:03:54 -0400
>> DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:
>> 
>> > On 04/24/2015 10:52 AM, vallor wrote:
>> > > On 04/24/2015 07:07 AM, DFS wrote:
>> > >> On 04/24/2015 09:44 AM, taka0038@gmail.com wrote:
>> > >>> On Friday, April 24, 2015 at 1:51:57 PM UTC+9, DFS wrote:
>> > >>>> The hobbyware is really dragging these days.
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> Dual-booting Mint 17.1 Cinnamon 64-bit and Windows Server 2012 R2
>> > >>>> 64-bit (eval version)
>> > >>
>> > >> <snip>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>>> Why is the most popular hobbyist "operating system" 30% slower
>> > >>>> than Windows at copying 2 large files?
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> (the answer is actually in the question)
>> > >>
>> > >>> I guess DFS used a crappy SATA driver for the Mint and well tuned
>> > >>> commercial SATA driver in the Windoze.  That's the problem with
>> > >>> Linux, hardware is not supported as well as in the M$World ...
>> > >>> SATA speed on the chipset makes a hell of difference!
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> I used whatever drivers were installed by default on Linux and
>> > >> Windows.
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >
>> > > What about the drives themselves?
>> > >
>> > > Are they identical?  What brand?  Spinners or SSD?  Etc.
>> > 
>> > 
>> > OSs are installed on the same SSD: 128GB Corsair Force GS.
>> > 
>> > All copy operations done on/using that drive.
>> > 
>> 
>> Your SSD has write speed of HDD...
> 
> Were the partitions aligned to the NAND erase block size?  That's one
> secret the manufacturers are hiding from the Linux communities ...

No, they are not. It is well known. Since years

ask the system if it has recognized a SSD

cat /sys/block/sd*/queue/rotational

If it returns a 0, it has a SSD for device sd(a - x)

> And make sure you got "noop" in /sys/block/sd*/queue/scheduler

cat /sys/block/sd*/queue/scheduler

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#291430

Fromtaka0038@gmail.com
Date2015-04-24 09:34 -0700
Message-ID<238eb341-bc55-4044-aff1-3dc75a1a3585@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#291413
On Saturday, April 25, 2015 at 1:07:48 AM UTC+9, Peter Köhlmann wrote:
> taka0038@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> > On Saturday, April 25, 2015 at 12:14:07 AM UTC+9, Melzzzzz wrote:
> >> On Fri, 24 Apr 2015 11:03:54 -0400
> >> DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:
> >> 
> >> > On 04/24/2015 10:52 AM, vallor wrote:
> >> > > On 04/24/2015 07:07 AM, DFS wrote:
> >> > >> On 04/24/2015 09:44 AM, taka0038@gmail.com wrote:
> >> > >>> On Friday, April 24, 2015 at 1:51:57 PM UTC+9, DFS wrote:
> >> > >>>> The hobbyware is really dragging these days.
> >> > >>>>
> >> > >>>> Dual-booting Mint 17.1 Cinnamon 64-bit and Windows Server 2012 R2
> >> > >>>> 64-bit (eval version)
> >> > >>
> >> > >> <snip>
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
> >> > >>>> Why is the most popular hobbyist "operating system" 30% slower
> >> > >>>> than Windows at copying 2 large files?
> >> > >>>>
> >> > >>>> (the answer is actually in the question)
> >> > >>
> >> > >>> I guess DFS used a crappy SATA driver for the Mint and well tuned
> >> > >>> commercial SATA driver in the Windoze.  That's the problem with
> >> > >>> Linux, hardware is not supported as well as in the M$World ...
> >> > >>> SATA speed on the chipset makes a hell of difference!
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
> >> > >> I used whatever drivers were installed by default on Linux and
> >> > >> Windows.
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
> >> > >
> >> > > What about the drives themselves?
> >> > >
> >> > > Are they identical?  What brand?  Spinners or SSD?  Etc.
> >> > 
> >> > 
> >> > OSs are installed on the same SSD: 128GB Corsair Force GS.
> >> > 
> >> > All copy operations done on/using that drive.
> >> > 
> >> 
> >> Your SSD has write speed of HDD...
> > 
> > Were the partitions aligned to the NAND erase block size?  That's one
> > secret the manufacturers are hiding from the Linux communities ...
> 
> No, they are not. It is well known. Since years
> 
> ask the system if it has recognized a SSD
> 
> cat /sys/block/sd*/queue/rotational
> 
> If it returns a 0, it has a SSD for device sd(a - x)
> 
> > And make sure you got "noop" in /sys/block/sd*/queue/scheduler
> 
> cat /sys/block/sd*/queue/scheduler

https://www.thomas-krenn.com/en/wiki/Partition_Alignment

http://superuser.com/questions/393914/what-is-partition-alignment-and-why-whould-i-need-it

https://wiki.freeswitch.org/wiki/SSD_Tuning_for_Linux#SSD_trim.2C_Partition_Alignment.2C_and_Erase_Block_Size

http://codecapsule.com/2014/02/12/coding-for-ssds-part-2-architecture-of-an-ssd-and-benchmarking/

http://www.techpowerup.com/articles/other/157

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#291424

FromChris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us>
Date2015-04-24 12:26 -0400
Message-ID<mhdqpg$flv$7@dont-email.me>
In reply to#291408
taka0038@gmail.com wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

> On Saturday, April 25, 2015 at 12:14:07 AM UTC+9, Melzzzzz wrote:
>> On Fri, 24 Apr 2015 11:03:54 -0400
>> DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:
>> 
>> > On 04/24/2015 10:52 AM, vallor wrote:
>> > > On 04/24/2015 07:07 AM, DFS wrote:
>> > >> On 04/24/2015 09:44 AM, taka0038@gmail.com wrote:
>> > >>> On Friday, April 24, 2015 at 1:51:57 PM UTC+9, DFS wrote:
>> > >>>> The hobbyware is really dragging these days.
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> Dual-booting Mint 17.1 Cinnamon 64-bit and Windows Server 2012 R2
>> > >>>> 64-bit (eval version)
>> > >>
>> > >> <snip>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>>> Why is the most popular hobbyist "operating system" 30% slower
>> > >>>> than Windows at copying 2 large files?
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> (the answer is actually in the question)
>> > >>
>> > >>> I guess DFS used a crappy SATA driver for the Mint and well tuned
>> > >>> commercial SATA driver in the Windoze.  That's the problem with
>> > >>> Linux, hardware is not supported as well as in the M$World ...
>> > >>> SATA speed on the chipset makes a hell of difference!
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> I used whatever drivers were installed by default on Linux and
>> > >> Windows.
>> > >
>> > > What about the drives themselves?
>> > >
>> > > Are they identical?  What brand?  Spinners or SSD?  Etc.
>> > 
>> > OSs are installed on the same SSD: 128GB Corsair Force GS.
>> > 
>> > All copy operations done on/using that drive.
>> 
>> Your SSD has write speed of HDD...

Heh.

I bought a cheap Crucial 128Gb SSD.  Really fast read speed.  After boot,
Chrome comes up in a second.

However, its write speed is a lot less than its read speed.  But I figure
I'll be reading a lot more big files than writing them.

> Were the partitions aligned to the NAND erase block size?

   https://sites.google.com/site/easylinuxtipsproject/ssd

   Alignment is not necessary anymore

   1.1. A common misunderstanding is, that the partitions on the SSD should
   be properly aligned first. That used to be true years ago, but no longer.

   In the current versions of Ubuntu and Linux Mint, and in Debian since
   Wheezy, all tools automatically align filesystems and partitions to the
   optimal 4096 byte page size. So there's no need to do anything for
   alignment on an SSD.

> That's one
> secret the manufacturers are hiding from the Linux communities ...

Huh?  Debian, for example, sets up most of what you need for an SDD.

> And make sure you got "noop" in /sys/block/sd*/queue/scheduler 

That, and noatime, are a couple of things the distro might not do for you.
Oh, and lowering the "swappiness" of the system.

-- 
"A child is a person who can't understand why someone would give away a
perfectly good kitten."
		-- Doug Larson

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#291415

FromDFS <nospam@dfs.com>
Date2015-04-24 12:11 -0400
Message-ID<mhdpu1$hr8$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#291402
On 4/24/2015 11:14 AM, Melzzzzz wrote:
> On Fri, 24 Apr 2015 11:03:54 -0400
> DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:
>
>> On 04/24/2015 10:52 AM, vallor wrote:
>>> On 04/24/2015 07:07 AM, DFS wrote:
>>>> On 04/24/2015 09:44 AM, taka0038@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>> On Friday, April 24, 2015 at 1:51:57 PM UTC+9, DFS wrote:
>>>>>> The hobbyware is really dragging these days.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dual-booting Mint 17.1 Cinnamon 64-bit and Windows Server 2012 R2
>>>>>> 64-bit (eval version)
>>>>
>>>> <snip>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> Why is the most popular hobbyist "operating system" 30% slower
>>>>>> than Windows at copying 2 large files?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (the answer is actually in the question)
>>>>
>>>>> I guess DFS used a crappy SATA driver for the Mint and well tuned
>>>>> commercial SATA driver in the Windoze.  That's the problem with
>>>>> Linux, hardware is not supported as well as in the M$World ...
>>>>> SATA speed on the chipset makes a hell of difference!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I used whatever drivers were installed by default on Linux and
>>>> Windows.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> What about the drives themselves?
>>>
>>> Are they identical?  What brand?  Spinners or SSD?  Etc.
>>
>>
>> OSs are installed on the same SSD: 128GB Corsair Force GS.
>>
>> All copy operations done on/using that drive.
>>
>
> Your SSD has write speed of HDD...


Yeah, it never felt like much of an improvement over the WD Raptor it 
replaced.

Mobo is Gigabyte P55A-UD3.

SSD is plugged into a SATA 3Gb/s port, and the BIOS setting for 'GSATA 
Ctrl' is AHCI.

I tried the SSD on a Marvell 9128 6Gb/sec port, but when I did that file 
copy operations on my other drive (which is a HDD) slowed to a crawl, so 
I moved the SSD back to the 3Gb/s port.

Edit: I just found a BIOS setting called 'Turbo Mode SATA3'.  I enabled 
it, and the system feels faster but the file copy operations took the 
same amount of time.

I rarely mess with speed boosts or 'Turbo modes' or overclocking.  I 
care about stability.

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#291422

FromChris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us>
Date2015-04-24 12:18 -0400
Message-ID<mhdqb5$flv$6@dont-email.me>
In reply to#291395
vallor wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

> On 04/24/2015 07:07 AM, DFS wrote:
>> On 04/24/2015 09:44 AM, taka0038@gmail.com wrote:
>>> On Friday, April 24, 2015 at 1:51:57 PM UTC+9, DFS wrote:
>>>> The hobbyware is really dragging these days.
>>>>
>>>> Dual-booting Mint 17.1 Cinnamon 64-bit and Windows Server 2012 R2
>>>> 64-bit (eval version)
>> 
>>>> Why is the most popular hobbyist "operating system" 30% slower
>>>> than Windows at copying 2 large files?
>>>>
>>>> (the answer is actually in the question)
>> 
>>> I guess DFS used a crappy SATA driver for the Mint and well tuned
>>> commercial SATA driver in the Windoze.  That's the problem with
>>> Linux, hardware is not supported as well as in the M$World ...  SATA
>>> speed on the chipset makes a hell of difference!
>> 
>> I used whatever drivers were installed by default on Linux and Windows.
>
> What about the drives themselves?
> Are they identical?  What brand?  Spinners or SSD?  Etc.

Who cares?  DFS is an ignorant/dishonest troll.

-- 
There are more things in heaven and earth,
Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
		-- Wm. Shakespeare, "Hamlet"

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#291449 — Who cares what you have to say, troll.

FromGreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com>
Date2015-04-24 11:50 -0600
SubjectWho cares what you have to say, troll.
Message-ID<Sd-dndDLS9LyH6fInZ2dnUU7-R-dnZ2d@bresnan.com>
In reply to#291422
Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

> vallor wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
> 
>> On 04/24/2015 07:07 AM, DFS wrote:
>>> On 04/24/2015 09:44 AM, taka0038@gmail.com wrote:
>>>> On Friday, April 24, 2015 at 1:51:57 PM UTC+9, DFS wrote:
>>>>> The hobbyware is really dragging these days.
>>>>>
>>>>> Dual-booting Mint 17.1 Cinnamon 64-bit and Windows Server 2012 R2
>>>>> 64-bit (eval version)
>>> 
>>>>> Why is the most popular hobbyist "operating system" 30% slower
>>>>> than Windows at copying 2 large files?
>>>>>
>>>>> (the answer is actually in the question)
>>> 
>>>> I guess DFS used a crappy SATA driver for the Mint and well tuned
>>>> commercial SATA driver in the Windoze.  That's the problem with
>>>> Linux, hardware is not supported as well as in the M$World ...  SATA
>>>> speed on the chipset makes a hell of difference!
>>> 
>>> I used whatever drivers were installed by default on Linux and Windows.
>>
>> What about the drives themselves?
>> Are they identical?  What brand?  Spinners or SSD?  Etc.
> 
> Who cares?  DFS is an ignorant/dishonest troll.
> 

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#291429

FromDesk Rabbit <me@example.com>
Date2015-04-24 17:39 +0100
Message-ID<mhdri7$mse$1@deskrabbit.motzarella.org>
In reply to#291395
On 24/04/2015 15:52, vallor wrote:
> On 04/24/2015 07:07 AM, DFS wrote:
>> On 04/24/2015 09:44 AM, taka0038@gmail.com wrote:
>>> On Friday, April 24, 2015 at 1:51:57 PM UTC+9, DFS wrote:
>>>> The hobbyware is really dragging these days.
>>>>
>>>> Dual-booting Mint 17.1 Cinnamon 64-bit and Windows Server 2012 R2
>>>> 64-bit (eval version)
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>>
>>>> Why is the most popular hobbyist "operating system" 30% slower
>>>> than Windows at copying 2 large files?
>>>>
>>>> (the answer is actually in the question)
>>
>>> I guess DFS used a crappy SATA driver for the Mint and well tuned
>>> commercial SATA driver in the Windoze.  That's the problem with
>>> Linux, hardware is not supported as well as in the M$World ...  SATA
>>> speed on the chipset makes a hell of difference!
>>
>>
>> I used whatever drivers were installed by default on Linux and Windows.
>>
>>
>
> What about the drives themselves?
>
> Are they identical?  What brand?  Spinners or SSD?  Etc.
>

What do you suppose dual boot meant?

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#291437

Fromvallor <vallor@cultnix.org>
Date2015-04-24 10:04 -0700
Message-ID<553a77a0$0$24572$c3e8da3$f6268168@news.astraweb.com>
In reply to#291429
On 04/24/2015 09:39 AM, Desk Rabbit wrote:
> On 24/04/2015 15:52, vallor wrote:
>> On 04/24/2015 07:07 AM, DFS wrote:
>>> On 04/24/2015 09:44 AM, taka0038@gmail.com wrote:
>>>> On Friday, April 24, 2015 at 1:51:57 PM UTC+9, DFS wrote:
>>>>> The hobbyware is really dragging these days.
>>>>>
>>>>> Dual-booting Mint 17.1 Cinnamon 64-bit and Windows Server 2012 R2
>>>>> 64-bit (eval version)
>>>
>>> <snip>
>>>
>>>
>>>>> Why is the most popular hobbyist "operating system" 30% slower
>>>>> than Windows at copying 2 large files?
>>>>>
>>>>> (the answer is actually in the question)
>>>
>>>> I guess DFS used a crappy SATA driver for the Mint and well tuned
>>>> commercial SATA driver in the Windoze.  That's the problem with
>>>> Linux, hardware is not supported as well as in the M$World ...  SATA
>>>> speed on the chipset makes a hell of difference!
>>>
>>>
>>> I used whatever drivers were installed by default on Linux and Windows.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> What about the drives themselves?
>>
>> Are they identical?  What brand?  Spinners or SSD?  Etc.
>>
> 
> What do you suppose dual boot meant?

What does that have to do with the price of tea in China?

-- 
 -v

His super power is to turn into a scotch terrier.

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#291448

FromGreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com>
Date2015-04-24 11:50 -0600
Message-ID<Sd-dndHLS9LLH6fInZ2dnUU7-R-dnZ2d@bresnan.com>
In reply to#291437
vallor wrote:

> On 04/24/2015 09:39 AM, Desk Rabbit wrote:
>> On 24/04/2015 15:52, vallor wrote:
>>> On 04/24/2015 07:07 AM, DFS wrote:
>>>> On 04/24/2015 09:44 AM, taka0038@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>> On Friday, April 24, 2015 at 1:51:57 PM UTC+9, DFS wrote:
>>>>>> The hobbyware is really dragging these days.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dual-booting Mint 17.1 Cinnamon 64-bit and Windows Server 2012 R2
>>>>>> 64-bit (eval version)
>>>>
>>>> <snip>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> Why is the most popular hobbyist "operating system" 30% slower
>>>>>> than Windows at copying 2 large files?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (the answer is actually in the question)
>>>>
>>>>> I guess DFS used a crappy SATA driver for the Mint and well tuned
>>>>> commercial SATA driver in the Windoze.  That's the problem with
>>>>> Linux, hardware is not supported as well as in the M$World ...  SATA
>>>>> speed on the chipset makes a hell of difference!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I used whatever drivers were installed by default on Linux and Windows.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> What about the drives themselves?
>>>
>>> Are they identical?  What brand?  Spinners or SSD?  Etc.
>>>
>> 
>> What do you suppose dual boot meant?
> 
> What does that have to do with the price of tea in China?
> 

It means both operating systems are on the same drive.

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#291518

Fromowl <owl@rooftop.invalid>
Date2015-04-24 23:08 +0000
Message-ID<mmbnvjfu03.ra3j@rooftop.invalid>
In reply to#291448
GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> wrote:
> vallor wrote:

>> On 04/24/2015 09:39 AM, Desk Rabbit wrote:
>>> On 24/04/2015 15:52, vallor wrote:
>>>> On 04/24/2015 07:07 AM, DFS wrote:
>>>>> On 04/24/2015 09:44 AM, taka0038@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>> On Friday, April 24, 2015 at 1:51:57 PM UTC+9, DFS wrote:
>>>>>>> The hobbyware is really dragging these days.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dual-booting Mint 17.1 Cinnamon 64-bit and Windows Server 2012 R2
>>>>>>> 64-bit (eval version)
>>>>>
>>>>> <snip>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Why is the most popular hobbyist "operating system" 30% slower
>>>>>>> than Windows at copying 2 large files?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> (the answer is actually in the question)
>>>>>
>>>>>> I guess DFS used a crappy SATA driver for the Mint and well tuned
>>>>>> commercial SATA driver in the Windoze.  That's the problem with
>>>>>> Linux, hardware is not supported as well as in the M$World ...  SATA
>>>>>> speed on the chipset makes a hell of difference!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I used whatever drivers were installed by default on Linux and Windows.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> What about the drives themselves?
>>>>
>>>> Are they identical?  What brand?  Spinners or SSD?  Etc.
>>>>
>>> 
>>> What do you suppose dual boot meant?
>> 
>> What does that have to do with the price of tea in China?
>> 

> It means both operating systems are on the same drive.

You can multiboot from multiple drives, either from bios boot selection
or from grub.

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#291387

FromSlimer <slvrslmr@lv.c>
Date2015-04-24 10:18 -0400
Message-ID<mhdj9p$lmr$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#291377
On 2015-04-24 9:44 AM, taka0038@gmail.com wrote:
> On Friday, April 24, 2015 at 1:51:57 PM UTC+9, DFS wrote:
>> The hobbyware is really dragging these days.
>>
>> Dual-booting Mint 17.1 Cinnamon 64-bit and Windows Server 2012 R2 64-bit
>> (eval version)
>>
>>
>> ============================================================================
>>
>> Linux:
>>
>> dfs@mint17 ~/Desktop $ ls -l *.iso
>> -rw------- 1 dfs dfs 4148166656 Oct 15  2014 CentOS.iso
>> -rw------- 1 dfs dfs 1480048640 Feb 23 19:50 Manjaro.iso
>>
>> dfs@mint17 ~/Desktop $ time cp Manjaro.iso /home/dfs/Downloads
>> real	0m14.473s
>> user	0m0.008s
>> sys	0m2.960s
>>
>> dfs@mint17 ~/Desktop $ time cp CentOS.iso /home/dfs/Downloads
>> real	0m43.194s
>> user	0m0.046s
>> sys	0m8.354s
>>
>>
>> That's 57.7 seconds to copy 2 big files.
>> ext4 filesystem
>>
>> ============================================================================
>>
>> Windows:
>>
>> PS C:\Users\DFS\desktop> dir
>>
>> Mode                LastWriteTime     Length Name
>> ----                -------------     ------ ----
>> -a---        10/15/2014   1:00 PM 4148166656 CentOS.iso
>> -a---         2/23/2015   7:50 PM 1480048640 Manjaro.iso
>>
>>
>> PS C:\Users\DFS\desktop> Measure-Command {Copy-Item
>> c:\users\dfs\desktop\Manjaro.iso c:\users\dfs\downloads}
>> TotalSeconds      : 8.8013274
>>
>>
>> PS C:\Users\DFS\desktop> Measure-Command {Copy-Item
>> c:\users\dfs\desktop\CentOS.iso c:\users\dfs\downloads}
>> TotalSeconds      : 35.5849752
>>
>>
>> That's 44.4 seconds for the same 2 files.
>> NTFS filesystem
>>
>> ============================================================================
>>
>>
>> Why is the most popular hobbyist "operating system" 30% slower than
>> Windows at copying 2 large files?
>>
>> (the answer is actually in the question)
>
> I guess DFS used a crappy SATA driver for the Mint and well tuned commercial SATA driver in the Windoze.  That's the problem with Linux, hardware is not supported as well as in the M$World ...  SATA speed on the chipset makes a hell of difference!

Linux developers just want the hardware to work and in that sense, they 
do a pretty good job. After all, it recognizes and sets up hardware that 
is directly-connected to a Linux machine a lot better than Windows does 
in my estimation. The problem is that recognizing and allowing the 
hardware to work is as far as the support goes; it doesn't actually 
support the hardware _well_. Printers will do the bare minimum even in 
terms of resolution and chipsets will probably not reach the maximal 
performance that they are supposed to offer. You have to give the Linux 
developers kudos for what they DID get working, especially since they 
developed a solution _without_ the manufacturer's help in many cases, 
but if performance and features DO matter to you, Linux is not the 
operating system to use.


-- 
Slimer
Encrypt.

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#291432

FromDesk Rabbit <me@example.com>
Date2015-04-24 17:42 +0100
Message-ID<mhdrom$mse$2@deskrabbit.motzarella.org>
In reply to#291387
On 24/04/2015 15:18, Slimer wrote:
> On 2015-04-24 9:44 AM, taka0038@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Friday, April 24, 2015 at 1:51:57 PM UTC+9, DFS wrote:
>>> The hobbyware is really dragging these days.
>>>
>>> Dual-booting Mint 17.1 Cinnamon 64-bit and Windows Server 2012 R2 64-bit
>>> (eval version)
>>>
>>>
>>> ============================================================================
>>>
>>>
>>> Linux:
>>>
>>> dfs@mint17 ~/Desktop $ ls -l *.iso
>>> -rw------- 1 dfs dfs 4148166656 Oct 15  2014 CentOS.iso
>>> -rw------- 1 dfs dfs 1480048640 Feb 23 19:50 Manjaro.iso
>>>
>>> dfs@mint17 ~/Desktop $ time cp Manjaro.iso /home/dfs/Downloads
>>> real    0m14.473s
>>> user    0m0.008s
>>> sys    0m2.960s
>>>
>>> dfs@mint17 ~/Desktop $ time cp CentOS.iso /home/dfs/Downloads
>>> real    0m43.194s
>>> user    0m0.046s
>>> sys    0m8.354s
>>>
>>>
>>> That's 57.7 seconds to copy 2 big files.
>>> ext4 filesystem
>>>
>>> ============================================================================
>>>
>>>
>>> Windows:
>>>
>>> PS C:\Users\DFS\desktop> dir
>>>
>>> Mode                LastWriteTime     Length Name
>>> ----                -------------     ------ ----
>>> -a---        10/15/2014   1:00 PM 4148166656 CentOS.iso
>>> -a---         2/23/2015   7:50 PM 1480048640 Manjaro.iso
>>>
>>>
>>> PS C:\Users\DFS\desktop> Measure-Command {Copy-Item
>>> c:\users\dfs\desktop\Manjaro.iso c:\users\dfs\downloads}
>>> TotalSeconds      : 8.8013274
>>>
>>>
>>> PS C:\Users\DFS\desktop> Measure-Command {Copy-Item
>>> c:\users\dfs\desktop\CentOS.iso c:\users\dfs\downloads}
>>> TotalSeconds      : 35.5849752
>>>
>>>
>>> That's 44.4 seconds for the same 2 files.
>>> NTFS filesystem
>>>
>>> ============================================================================
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Why is the most popular hobbyist "operating system" 30% slower than
>>> Windows at copying 2 large files?
>>>
>>> (the answer is actually in the question)
>>
>> I guess DFS used a crappy SATA driver for the Mint and well tuned
>> commercial SATA driver in the Windoze.  That's the problem with Linux,
>> hardware is not supported as well as in the M$World ...  SATA speed on
>> the chipset makes a hell of difference!
>
> Linux developers just want the hardware to work and in that sense, they
> do a pretty good job. After all, it recognizes and sets up hardware that
> is directly-connected to a Linux machine a lot better than Windows does
> in my estimation. The problem is that recognizing and allowing the
> hardware to work is as far as the support goes; it doesn't actually
> support the hardware _well_. Printers will do the bare minimum even in
> terms of resolution and chipsets will probably not reach the maximal
> performance that they are supposed to offer. You have to give the Linux
> developers kudos for what they DID get working, especially since they
> developed a solution _without_ the manufacturer's help in many cases,
> but if performance and features DO matter to you, Linux is not the
> operating system to use.
>
>

In the server enterprise world, hardware support and drivers are 
excellent and as good as Windows. It's the Desktop world where stuff 
falls apart.

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#291484

FromSlimer <slvrslmr@lv.c>
Date2015-04-24 17:35 -0400
Message-ID<mhecu1$skj$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#291432
On 2015-04-24 12:42 PM, Desk Rabbit wrote:
> On 24/04/2015 15:18, Slimer wrote:
>> On 2015-04-24 9:44 AM, taka0038@gmail.com wrote:
>>> On Friday, April 24, 2015 at 1:51:57 PM UTC+9, DFS wrote:
>>>> The hobbyware is really dragging these days.
>>>>
>>>> Dual-booting Mint 17.1 Cinnamon 64-bit and Windows Server 2012 R2
>>>> 64-bit
>>>> (eval version)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ============================================================================
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Linux:
>>>>
>>>> dfs@mint17 ~/Desktop $ ls -l *.iso
>>>> -rw------- 1 dfs dfs 4148166656 Oct 15  2014 CentOS.iso
>>>> -rw------- 1 dfs dfs 1480048640 Feb 23 19:50 Manjaro.iso
>>>>
>>>> dfs@mint17 ~/Desktop $ time cp Manjaro.iso /home/dfs/Downloads
>>>> real    0m14.473s
>>>> user    0m0.008s
>>>> sys    0m2.960s
>>>>
>>>> dfs@mint17 ~/Desktop $ time cp CentOS.iso /home/dfs/Downloads
>>>> real    0m43.194s
>>>> user    0m0.046s
>>>> sys    0m8.354s
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> That's 57.7 seconds to copy 2 big files.
>>>> ext4 filesystem
>>>>
>>>> ============================================================================
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Windows:
>>>>
>>>> PS C:\Users\DFS\desktop> dir
>>>>
>>>> Mode                LastWriteTime     Length Name
>>>> ----                -------------     ------ ----
>>>> -a---        10/15/2014   1:00 PM 4148166656 CentOS.iso
>>>> -a---         2/23/2015   7:50 PM 1480048640 Manjaro.iso
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> PS C:\Users\DFS\desktop> Measure-Command {Copy-Item
>>>> c:\users\dfs\desktop\Manjaro.iso c:\users\dfs\downloads}
>>>> TotalSeconds      : 8.8013274
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> PS C:\Users\DFS\desktop> Measure-Command {Copy-Item
>>>> c:\users\dfs\desktop\CentOS.iso c:\users\dfs\downloads}
>>>> TotalSeconds      : 35.5849752
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> That's 44.4 seconds for the same 2 files.
>>>> NTFS filesystem
>>>>
>>>> ============================================================================
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Why is the most popular hobbyist "operating system" 30% slower than
>>>> Windows at copying 2 large files?
>>>>
>>>> (the answer is actually in the question)
>>>
>>> I guess DFS used a crappy SATA driver for the Mint and well tuned
>>> commercial SATA driver in the Windoze.  That's the problem with Linux,
>>> hardware is not supported as well as in the M$World ...  SATA speed on
>>> the chipset makes a hell of difference!
>>
>> Linux developers just want the hardware to work and in that sense, they
>> do a pretty good job. After all, it recognizes and sets up hardware that
>> is directly-connected to a Linux machine a lot better than Windows does
>> in my estimation. The problem is that recognizing and allowing the
>> hardware to work is as far as the support goes; it doesn't actually
>> support the hardware _well_. Printers will do the bare minimum even in
>> terms of resolution and chipsets will probably not reach the maximal
>> performance that they are supposed to offer. You have to give the Linux
>> developers kudos for what they DID get working, especially since they
>> developed a solution _without_ the manufacturer's help in many cases,
>> but if performance and features DO matter to you, Linux is not the
>> operating system to use.
>>
>>
>
> In the server enterprise world, hardware support and drivers are
> excellent and as good as Windows. It's the Desktop world where stuff
> falls apart.

You would think that if the server hardware is so well supported, so 
would the desktop counterparts. I guess the manufacturers make sure to 
support the server hardware well since Linux servers are quite popular 
and put no effort whatsoever on regular hardware because companies 
couldn't give Linux away on the desktop if it came on a gold-plated desktop.

-- 
Slimer
Encrypt.

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#291500

FromPeter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de>
Date2015-04-25 00:00 +0200
Message-ID<mheecj$1l3$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#291484
Slimer wrote:

> On 2015-04-24 12:42 PM, Desk Rabbit wrote:
>> On 24/04/2015 15:18, Slimer wrote:
>>> On 2015-04-24 9:44 AM, taka0038@gmail.com wrote:
>>>> On Friday, April 24, 2015 at 1:51:57 PM UTC+9, DFS wrote:
>>>>> The hobbyware is really dragging these days.
>>>>>
>>>>> Dual-booting Mint 17.1 Cinnamon 64-bit and Windows Server 2012 R2
>>>>> 64-bit
>>>>> (eval version)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 
============================================================================
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Linux:
>>>>>
>>>>> dfs@mint17 ~/Desktop $ ls -l *.iso
>>>>> -rw------- 1 dfs dfs 4148166656 Oct 15  2014 CentOS.iso
>>>>> -rw------- 1 dfs dfs 1480048640 Feb 23 19:50 Manjaro.iso
>>>>>
>>>>> dfs@mint17 ~/Desktop $ time cp Manjaro.iso /home/dfs/Downloads
>>>>> real    0m14.473s
>>>>> user    0m0.008s
>>>>> sys    0m2.960s
>>>>>
>>>>> dfs@mint17 ~/Desktop $ time cp CentOS.iso /home/dfs/Downloads
>>>>> real    0m43.194s
>>>>> user    0m0.046s
>>>>> sys    0m8.354s
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> That's 57.7 seconds to copy 2 big files.
>>>>> ext4 filesystem
>>>>>
>>>>> 
============================================================================
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Windows:
>>>>>
>>>>> PS C:\Users\DFS\desktop> dir
>>>>>
>>>>> Mode                LastWriteTime     Length Name
>>>>> ----                -------------     ------ ----
>>>>> -a---        10/15/2014   1:00 PM 4148166656 CentOS.iso
>>>>> -a---         2/23/2015   7:50 PM 1480048640 Manjaro.iso
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> PS C:\Users\DFS\desktop> Measure-Command {Copy-Item
>>>>> c:\users\dfs\desktop\Manjaro.iso c:\users\dfs\downloads}
>>>>> TotalSeconds      : 8.8013274
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> PS C:\Users\DFS\desktop> Measure-Command {Copy-Item
>>>>> c:\users\dfs\desktop\CentOS.iso c:\users\dfs\downloads}
>>>>> TotalSeconds      : 35.5849752
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> That's 44.4 seconds for the same 2 files.
>>>>> NTFS filesystem
>>>>>
>>>>> 
============================================================================
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Why is the most popular hobbyist "operating system" 30% slower than
>>>>> Windows at copying 2 large files?
>>>>>
>>>>> (the answer is actually in the question)
>>>>
>>>> I guess DFS used a crappy SATA driver for the Mint and well tuned
>>>> commercial SATA driver in the Windoze.  That's the problem with Linux,
>>>> hardware is not supported as well as in the M$World ...  SATA speed on
>>>> the chipset makes a hell of difference!
>>>
>>> Linux developers just want the hardware to work and in that sense, they
>>> do a pretty good job. After all, it recognizes and sets up hardware that
>>> is directly-connected to a Linux machine a lot better than Windows does
>>> in my estimation. The problem is that recognizing and allowing the
>>> hardware to work is as far as the support goes; it doesn't actually
>>> support the hardware _well_. Printers will do the bare minimum even in
>>> terms of resolution and chipsets will probably not reach the maximal
>>> performance that they are supposed to offer. You have to give the Linux
>>> developers kudos for what they DID get working, especially since they
>>> developed a solution _without_ the manufacturer's help in many cases,
>>> but if performance and features DO matter to you, Linux is not the
>>> operating system to use.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> In the server enterprise world, hardware support and drivers are
>> excellent and as good as Windows. It's the Desktop world where stuff
>> falls apart.
> 
> You would think that if the server hardware is so well supported, so
> would the desktop counterparts. I guess the manufacturers make sure to
> support the server hardware well since Linux servers are quite popular
> and put no effort whatsoever on regular hardware because companies
> couldn't give Linux away on the desktop if it came on a gold-plated
> desktop.

And now the imbecile Snit Slimeball will explain what exactly is different 
on a desktop system compared to a server. Just count on it, he will be 
incredibly detailed 

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