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| First post | 2015-08-04 00:39 -0700 |
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I prefer Win8 because, unlike Win10, it has no Start Menu. Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> - 2015-08-04 00:39 -0700
Re: I prefer Win8 because, unlike Win10, it has no Start Menu. John Gohde <john.h.gohde@gmail.com> - 2015-08-04 05:55 -0700
Start Killer (StartKiller.COM) removes Win10's Start Button. Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> - 2015-08-04 08:26 -0700
Re: I prefer Win8 because, unlike Win10, it has no Start Menu. cc <scatnubbs@hotmail.com> - 2015-08-04 08:44 -0700
Re: I prefer Win8 because, unlike Win10, it has no Start Menu. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-08-04 17:07 +0000
Re: I prefer Win8 because, unlike Win10, it has no Start Menu. Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-08-04 12:22 -0500
You don't have to use old code, you can/should rewrite it. Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> - 2015-08-04 12:39 -0700
Re: You don't have to use old code, you can/should rewrite it. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-08-04 21:20 +0000
Trite Hedonism. Quite Trite. Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> - 2015-08-04 14:46 -0700
Re: Trite Hedonism. Quite Trite. DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-08-04 17:53 -0400
Trite Hedonism. Quite Trite. Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> - 2015-08-04 15:11 -0700
Re: Trite Hedonism. Quite Trite. DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-08-04 18:57 -0400
Trite Hedonism. Quite Trite. Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> - 2015-08-04 17:15 -0700
Re: Trite Hedonism. Quite Trite. "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2015-08-04 21:00 -0400
Trite Hedonism. Quite Trite. Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> - 2015-08-04 18:50 -0700
Re: Trite Hedonism. Quite Trite. "A.M" <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-08-05 07:56 -0400
"The Bachelor" (on the TV show) is a prissy bottom. Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> - 2015-08-05 10:45 -0700
Re: Trite Hedonism. Quite Trite. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-08-05 14:06 +0000
Re: Trite Hedonism. Quite Trite. "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2015-08-05 10:13 -0400
Re: Trite Hedonism. Quite Trite. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-08-05 14:31 +0000
Re: Trite Hedonism. Quite Trite. "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2015-08-05 11:06 -0400
Re: Trite Hedonism. Quite Trite. Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2015-08-05 17:26 +0200
Re: Trite Hedonism. Quite Trite. "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2015-08-05 11:29 -0400
Re: Trite Hedonism. Quite Trite. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-08-05 15:42 +0000
Re: Trite Hedonism. Quite Trite. "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2015-08-05 12:00 -0400
Re: Trite Hedonism. Quite Trite. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-08-05 16:11 +0000
Re: Trite Hedonism. Quite Trite. "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2015-08-05 12:37 -0400
Re: Trite Hedonism. Quite Trite. Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2015-08-05 18:51 +0200
Re: Trite Hedonism. Quite Trite. "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2015-08-05 12:59 -0400
Re: Trite Hedonism. Quite Trite. Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2015-08-05 19:04 +0200
Re: Trite Hedonism. Quite Trite. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-08-05 17:48 +0000
Re: Trite Hedonism. Quite Trite. Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2015-08-05 20:07 +0200
Re: Trite Hedonism. Quite Trite. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-08-05 18:09 +0000
Re: Trite Hedonism. Quite Trite. "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2015-08-05 14:26 -0400
Re: Trite Hedonism. Quite Trite. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-08-05 19:30 +0000
Re: Trite Hedonism. Quite Trite. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-08-05 12:44 -0700
Re: Trite Hedonism. Quite Trite. "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2015-08-05 15:50 -0400
Re: Trite Hedonism. Quite Trite. DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-08-05 16:26 -0400
Re: Trite Hedonism. Quite Trite. DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-08-05 16:38 -0400
Re: Trite Hedonism. Quite Trite. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-08-05 14:13 -0700
Re: Trite Hedonism. Quite Trite. vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2015-08-05 15:47 -0700
Re: Trite Hedonism. Quite Trite. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 11:23 -0700
Re: Trite Hedonism. Quite Trite. Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 13:28 -0500
Re: Trite Hedonism. Quite Trite. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-08-05 19:33 +0000
Re: Trite Hedonism. Quite Trite. Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 14:40 -0500
Re: Trite Hedonism. Quite Trite. "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2015-08-05 15:55 -0400
Re: Trite Hedonism. Quite Trite. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-08-05 20:28 +0000
Re: Trite Hedonism. Quite Trite. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 13:51 -0700
Re: Trite Hedonism. Quite Trite. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-08-05 20:33 +0000
Re: Trite Hedonism. Quite Trite. DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-08-05 15:57 -0400
Re: Trite Hedonism. Quite Trite. "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2015-08-05 17:09 -0400
What's better: a pen or a pencil ? Salvador Dali used both. Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> - 2015-08-05 11:17 -0700
Re: What's better: a pen or a pencil ? Salvador Dali used both. "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2015-08-05 14:31 -0400
Re: What's better: a pen or a pencil ? Salvador Dali used both. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-08-05 19:45 +0000
Re: What's better: a pen or a pencil ? Salvador Dali used both. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-08-05 19:35 +0000
Re: Trite Hedonism. Quite Trite. Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 09:21 -0500
Re: Trite Hedonism. Quite Trite. Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2015-08-05 17:02 +0200
Re: Trite Hedonism. Quite Trite. "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2015-08-05 11:26 -0400
Show us your source code. Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> - 2015-08-04 17:29 -0700
Re: I prefer Win8 because, unlike Win10, it has no Start Menu. benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 01:38 -0400
Re: I prefer Win8 because, unlike Win10, it has no Start Menu. benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2015-08-04 13:46 -0400
Replacing Win10's Start Menu. Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> - 2015-08-04 11:31 -0700
I'm watching you right now. Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> - 2015-08-04 14:19 -0700
Ubuntu Spyware: What to do? Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> - 2015-08-04 17:41 -0700
Replacing Win10's Start Menu. Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> - 2015-08-04 15:21 -0700
Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-08-04 22:37 +0000
I prefer no Jeff-Relf.Me! John Gohde <john.h.gohde@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 04:02 -0700
Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. "A.M" <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-08-05 08:11 -0400
Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-08-05 10:10 -0700
Re: I prefer Win8 because, unlike Win10, it has no Start Menu. John Gohde <john.h.gohde@gmail.com> - 2015-08-04 11:58 -0700
Re: I prefer Win8 because, unlike Win10, it has no Start Menu. chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-08-04 14:34 -0500
Indirectly, you (chrisv) see my posts. Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> - 2015-08-04 12:46 -0700
Re: I prefer Win8 because, unlike Win10, it has no Start Menu. DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-08-04 16:57 -0400
Re: I prefer Win8 because, unlike Win10, it has no Start Menu. HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 06:54 -0400
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| From | benj <nobody@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-08-04 13:46 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <3U6wx.43887$a55.43271@fx10.iad> |
| In reply to | #312330 |
On 08/04/2015 01:07 PM, Fabian Russell wrote:
> On Tue, 04 Aug 2015 00:39:58 -0700, Jeff-Relf.Me wrote:
>
>> I prefer Win8 because, unlike Win10, it has no Start Menu.
>>
>
> The Start Menu was specifically created by Microsoft, at great expense,
> to accommodate mental retards.
>
> This is an undeniable historic fact. Microsoft commissioned psychological
> experts ($$$) to observe the behavior of test subjects representing the common
> user, i.e. retards. After intensive study the conclusion was that a
> "Start" button or menu was essential in allowing access for the common
> user, i.e. retards.
>
> So what's Jeffie, the retard, gonna do without his Start Menu? He will,
> like all retards, just sit there and stare at the empty screen with his
> mouth hanging open while drooling all over his shirt.
>
I think the way they designed Win10 was the found a bunch of WEBTV users
and had each one tell the way he'd like his OS to work. Done.
Rolf, is just pissed because win10 didn't come preloaded with a deep red
font on a dark brown background.
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| From | Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> |
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| Date | 2015-08-04 11:31 -0700 |
| Subject | Replacing Win10's Start Menu. |
| Message-ID | <Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.4{11.31A.Seattle.2015}> |
| In reply to | #312330 |
Fabian_Russell, The Start Menu was born out of research into how to teach monkey's to communicate with us. As I said at the start of this thread, I never see the Start Menu, nor Start Screen. Instead, I created a new toolbar on the TaskBar and with the apps I want, in the order I want them. To order them: "unLock" the TaskBar, drap the apps around, then lock the TaskBar. Only the top app's icon is seen on the TaskBar, screenshot: "Jeff-Relf.Me/MyDesktop.PNG". The other apps are in the ToolBar's drop_down menu. Note: I don't use the Desktop, it's blank. Start Killer (StartKiller.COM) removes Win10's Start Button.
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| From | Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> |
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| Date | 2015-08-04 14:19 -0700 |
| Subject | I'm watching you right now. |
| Message-ID | <Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.4{2.19P.Seattle.2015}> |
| In reply to | #312362 |
You (Double-A) asked: > I heard something about that Microsoft was going > to start spying on us with the comera as of Win10! > Or was it the mike? Both? Or was it Google? > Do you know about that? I'm watching you right now. In fact, I can smell you ! (Just kidding) "Cortana", Win10’s built-in personal digital assistant, scans your emails, appointments, and Web searches. I'd turn it off. Go to "Settings" (Control Panel?), then click on the "Privacy" button. There, it says: Don’t want personalized ads inside apps? Turn it off by sliding the button to Off. Turn off: "Typing and writing" (autoComplete). And so on, lots of Cortana crap, turn it off.
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| From | Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> |
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| Date | 2015-08-04 17:41 -0700 |
| Subject | Ubuntu Spyware: What to do? |
| Message-ID | <Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.4{5.41P.Seattle.2015}> |
| In reply to | #312395 |
You (Double-A) asked me: > Do you have any experience with Ubuntu? No, but Richard Stallman (the top GNU guy) says: ＜＜ When the user searches her own local files for a string using the Ubuntu desktop, Ubuntu sends that string to one of Canonical's servers. ( Canonical is the company that develops Ubuntu. ) ＞＞ "Ubuntu Spyware: What to do?": https://www.fsf.org/blogs/rms/ubuntu-spyware-what-to-do
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| From | Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> |
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| Date | 2015-08-04 15:21 -0700 |
| Subject | Replacing Win10's Start Menu. |
| Message-ID | <Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.4{3.21P.Seattle.2015}> |
| In reply to | #312362 |
Quoting:
http://www.wsj.com/articles/apple-and-google-know-what-you-want-before-you-do-1438625660
Apple and Google Know What You Want Before You Do.
New technology for smartphones will monitor activity
and send information before it is requested; locking
in loyal users.
Apple and Google are preparing new smartphone apps
that will monitor and predict users’ activity and
supply information before it is requested.
By Daisuke Wakabayashi and Alistair Barr
Aug. 3, 2015 2:14 p.m. ET 69 COMMENTS
Apple Inc. and Google Inc. are racing to anticipate
the needs of their users.
The technology giants, whose software runs nearly all
of the world’s smartphones, are adding features to
deliver information before users ask for it. Their
moves suggest that smartphones will evolve into
devices that dispense information unprompted.
The companies are tackling the technology
differently, reflecting their own expertise and
priorities. Apple’s Proactive Assistant, a feature of
its forthcoming iOS 9 software, aims to learn how a
user will behave from information stored on an
iPhone. By contrast, Google Now combs data from a
universe of online services and searches.
“This is a major battleground. The companies are
using this to highlight their strengths,” said Rich
Mogull, the chief executive of the research and
advisory firm Securosis.
Both companies hope the new features, some of which
are expected this fall, will keep their users loyal
and lock them into related services that make money.
For Apple, that means more returning customers for
its iPhones. For Google, it means more engaged users
for its advertisers.
Apple’s iPhone knows which apps you use, when and for
how long. ENLARGE
Apple’s iPhone knows which apps you use, when and for
how long. Photo: Andrew Harrer/Bloomberg News
In addition, the ability to anticipate what users
want and deliver it at the right moment will be
crucial for such future devices as smart watches and
connected automobiles.
The efforts by Google and Apple are part of a growing
wave of “digital assistants” in the technology
industry aimed at providing a helping hand for
devices. Microsoft Corp. is putting “Cortana,” a
personal-assistant service, in all devices running
Windows software. Amazon.com Inc. ’s virtual
assistant is Alexa, who currently exists inside the
company’s Echo speaker.
At its developers’ conference in May, Google
demonstrated how Google Now can alert a traveler to
airport gas stations when the traveler is returning a
vehicle and may need to fill the tank. Google can
deduce the return time from emails showing the
traveler’s itinerary and real-time departure data
provided by airlines.
For other uses, Google Now, introduced in 2012, taps
Web search and browsing history, Google services such
as Gmail, calendar and YouTube, and data from the
phone such as location, time and app use. The company
says it wants as much information as possible to
produce the most useful recommendations.
“Imagine an assistant who works for you for [only]
one hour a day,” says Aparna Chennapragada, director
of product and engineering for Google Now. “I want my
assistant proactively working for me all the time.”
WSJ.D
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and product reviews.
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Billion Deal
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Apple takes a more conservative approach, limiting
itself to information gathered on the phone. The
company says the iPhone knows which apps you use,
when you use them and for how long. It also knows
where you are and with whom you communicate
regularly. It has access to some emails, but it taps
them sparingly, Apple says, using them to identify
callers or create calendar events, for example.
As a result, Apple can’t replicate some of what
Google Now does. Its upcoming iPhone software will
have a feature called Siri Spotlight that suggests
people to contact based on future meetings or nearby
businesses. It will also find gas stations once
you’re near the rental-car office, but it won’t send
the information proactively.
So far, Apple has provided one example of when it
would seek information beyond the phone: tapping
real-time traffic data to suggest when to leave for
an upcoming appointment in the phone’s calendar.
Apple’s approach is focused on learning regular
activities. If you listen to music in the morning
while working out, for example, the phone will begin
playing your workout music when you plug in your
headphones in the morning. Apple hasn’t elaborated on
its plans for Proactive Assistant since its
announcement last month.
Apple also distinguishes between what its devices
know and what it as a company knows. Apple says its
device knows a lot about you, but that information is
tethered to the phone and isn’t collected by the company.
Apple Chief Executive Tim Cook has been critical of
companies such as Google that he says are profiting
by selling data on users to advertisers.
Google says it doesn’t sell or share user data with
other companies but uses its information to target ads.
Jamie Davidson, a partner at Redpoint Ventures and a
former Google engineer, says Google’s willingness to
tap a broader swath of data gives the company a leg
up. “It will be harder for Apple to create a
compelling experience without getting more
information from the broader Web beyond the phones,”
he says.
One app developer who works with Google says the
utility of Google Now will vary depending on how much
information a user shares. Those who share more will
get more relevant suggestions, the developer says.
But that benefit must be weighed against the privacy
implications of sharing so much personal information
with the company.
Dylan Russell, a 23-year-old media-studies student at
Northeastern State University in Tahlequah, Okla.,
says he regularly uses Google Now on his Motorola
Moto X phone, and he isn’t worried about compromising
his privacy.
“I think it’s something that people are going to get
over,” Mr. Russell says. “It’s not a bad thing for
Google to know me better to help me better.”
On a recent Friday night, Mr. Russell saw that Google
Now had displayed information about local restaurants
and movies playing in a nearby theater. In another
instance, his boss sent him an email reminding him to
make a spreadsheet for a project, and Google Now
created a reminder for him.
“I thought it was super awesome. I didn’t click any
buttons,” says Mr. Russell. “They’re becoming more
like a real personal assistant, knowing you, knowing
what you like to do, and knowing when you like to do it.”
Later this year, Google plans to introduce Google Now
on Tap, which will use text and image recognition to
understand what users are doing inside apps and make
suggestions. It won’t send information proactively,
but it could anticipate the next steps a user may
want to take.
For example, when a friend suggests in a text message
eating dinner at a specific restaurant, Google Now
can bring up an information card with the
restaurant’s Yelp reviews, phone number, schedule and
a map, as well as a link to a booking app like
OpenTable to help secure a table.
Write to Daisuke Wakabayashi at
Daisuke.Wakabayashi@wsj.com and Alistair Barr at alistair.barr@wsj.com
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| From | Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> |
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| Date | 2015-08-04 22:37 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. |
| Message-ID | <pan.2015.08.04.22.37.59@localhost.localdomain> |
| In reply to | #312416 |
On Tue, 04 Aug 2015 15:21:14 -0700, Jeff-Relf.Me wrote: > > “I thought it was super awesome. I didn’t click any > buttons,” says Mr. Russell. “They’re becoming more > like a real personal assistant, knowing you, knowing > what you like to do, and knowing when you like to do it.” > Super awesome? It's a phrase indicative of his retarded demographic and should cause the DA to switch into idiot mode. But, anyway, what if the user has multiple personalities or is subject to frequent mood swings (manic depression)? I imagine that such cases (and they're not too uncommon) would cause the DA a bit of confusion as it would repeatedly have to erase and rebuild its database. How about Dr. Jeckyl and Mr. Hide? He was an upstanding citizen by day and a evil psychopath at night. How would his DA anticipate such conflicting behavior? It seems Microsoft/Apple/Google have some serious thinking to do.
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| From | John Gohde <john.h.gohde@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2015-08-05 04:02 -0700 |
| Subject | I prefer no Jeff-Relf.Me! |
| Message-ID | <0cf0f7ce-b465-42fa-8c9d-8dfc59b9057e@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #312418 |
On Tuesday, August 4, 2015 at 6:38:50 PM UTC-4, Fabian Russell wrote: > On Tue, 04 Aug 2015 15:21:14 -0700, Jeff-Relf.Me wrote: > > > > > "I thought it was super awesome. I didn't click any > > buttons," says Mr. Russell. "They're becoming more > > like a real personal assistant, knowing you, knowing > > what you like to do, and knowing when you like to do it." > > > > Super awesome? It's a phrase indicative of his retarded demographic > and should cause the DA to switch into idiot mode. > > But, anyway, what if the user has multiple personalities or is subject > to frequent mood swings (manic depression)? > > I imagine that such cases (and they're not too uncommon) would > cause the DA a bit of confusion as it would repeatedly have to > erase and rebuild its database. > > How about Dr. Jeckyl and Mr. Hide? He was an upstanding citizen > by day and a evil psychopath at night. How would his DA anticipate > such conflicting behavior? > > It seems Microsoft/Apple/Google have some serious thinking to do. The MESSAGE is the SUBJECT.
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| From | "A.M" <.m@nsn.s> |
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| Date | 2015-08-05 08:11 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. |
| Message-ID | <mpsuet$agh$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #312416 |
On 2015-08-04 6:21 PM, Jeff-Relf.Me wrote: > Quoting: > http://www.wsj.com/articles/apple-and-google-know-what-you-want-before-you-do-1438625660 > > Apple and Google Know What You Want Before You Do. > > New technology for smartphones will monitor activity > and send information before it is requested; locking > in loyal users. > > Apple and Google are preparing new smartphone apps > that will monitor and predict users’ activity and > supply information before it is requested. > > By Daisuke Wakabayashi and Alistair Barr > Aug. 3, 2015 2:14 p.m. ET 69 COMMENTS > > Apple Inc. and Google Inc. are racing to anticipate > the needs of their users. > > The technology giants, whose software runs nearly all > of the world’s smartphones, are adding features to > deliver information before users ask for it. Their > moves suggest that smartphones will evolve into > devices that dispense information unprompted. > > The companies are tackling the technology > differently, reflecting their own expertise and > priorities. Apple’s Proactive Assistant, a feature of > its forthcoming iOS 9 software, aims to learn how a > user will behave from information stored on an > iPhone. By contrast, Google Now combs data from a > universe of online services and searches. > > “This is a major battleground. The companies are > using this to highlight their strengths,” said Rich > Mogull, the chief executive of the research and > advisory firm Securosis. > > Both companies hope the new features, some of which > are expected this fall, will keep their users loyal > and lock them into related services that make money. > For Apple, that means more returning customers for > its iPhones. For Google, it means more engaged users > for its advertisers. > Apple’s iPhone knows which apps you use, when and for > how long. ENLARGE > Apple’s iPhone knows which apps you use, when and for > how long. Photo: Andrew Harrer/Bloomberg News > > In addition, the ability to anticipate what users > want and deliver it at the right moment will be > crucial for such future devices as smart watches and > connected automobiles. > > The efforts by Google and Apple are part of a growing > wave of “digital assistants” in the technology > industry aimed at providing a helping hand for > devices. Microsoft Corp. is putting “Cortana,” a > personal-assistant service, in all devices running > Windows software. Amazon.com Inc. ’s virtual > assistant is Alexa, who currently exists inside the > company’s Echo speaker. > > At its developers’ conference in May, Google > demonstrated how Google Now can alert a traveler to > airport gas stations when the traveler is returning a > vehicle and may need to fill the tank. Google can > deduce the return time from emails showing the > traveler’s itinerary and real-time departure data > provided by airlines. > > For other uses, Google Now, introduced in 2012, taps > Web search and browsing history, Google services such > as Gmail, calendar and YouTube, and data from the > phone such as location, time and app use. The company > says it wants as much information as possible to > produce the most useful recommendations. > > “Imagine an assistant who works for you for [only] > one hour a day,” says Aparna Chennapragada, director > of product and engineering for Google Now. “I want my > assistant proactively working for me all the time.” > WSJ.D > > WSJ.D is the Journal’s home for tech news, analysis > and product reviews. > > Mims: Virtual Reality Isn’t Just About Games > BMW, Daimler and Audi to Buy Nokia’s Here in $3.1 > Billion Deal > How Do You Corral a Drone? Give It a Leash > Tech Firms Beware: Don’t Disappoint Investors > > Apple takes a more conservative approach, limiting > itself to information gathered on the phone. The > company says the iPhone knows which apps you use, > when you use them and for how long. It also knows > where you are and with whom you communicate > regularly. It has access to some emails, but it taps > them sparingly, Apple says, using them to identify > callers or create calendar events, for example. > > As a result, Apple can’t replicate some of what > Google Now does. Its upcoming iPhone software will > have a feature called Siri Spotlight that suggests > people to contact based on future meetings or nearby > businesses. It will also find gas stations once > you’re near the rental-car office, but it won’t send > the information proactively. > > So far, Apple has provided one example of when it > would seek information beyond the phone: tapping > real-time traffic data to suggest when to leave for > an upcoming appointment in the phone’s calendar. > > Apple’s approach is focused on learning regular > activities. If you listen to music in the morning > while working out, for example, the phone will begin > playing your workout music when you plug in your > headphones in the morning. Apple hasn’t elaborated on > its plans for Proactive Assistant since its > announcement last month. > > Apple also distinguishes between what its devices > know and what it as a company knows. Apple says its > device knows a lot about you, but that information is > tethered to the phone and isn’t collected by the company. > > Apple Chief Executive Tim Cook has been critical of > companies such as Google that he says are profiting > by selling data on users to advertisers. > > Google says it doesn’t sell or share user data with > other companies but uses its information to target ads. > > Jamie Davidson, a partner at Redpoint Ventures and a > former Google engineer, says Google’s willingness to > tap a broader swath of data gives the company a leg > up. “It will be harder for Apple to create a > compelling experience without getting more > information from the broader Web beyond the phones,” > he says. > > One app developer who works with Google says the > utility of Google Now will vary depending on how much > information a user shares. Those who share more will > get more relevant suggestions, the developer says. > But that benefit must be weighed against the privacy > implications of sharing so much personal information > with the company. > > Dylan Russell, a 23-year-old media-studies student at > Northeastern State University in Tahlequah, Okla., > says he regularly uses Google Now on his Motorola > Moto X phone, and he isn’t worried about compromising > his privacy. > > “I think it’s something that people are going to get > over,” Mr. Russell says. “It’s not a bad thing for > Google to know me better to help me better.” > > On a recent Friday night, Mr. Russell saw that Google > Now had displayed information about local restaurants > and movies playing in a nearby theater. In another > instance, his boss sent him an email reminding him to > make a spreadsheet for a project, and Google Now > created a reminder for him. > > “I thought it was super awesome. I didn’t click any > buttons,” says Mr. Russell. “They’re becoming more > like a real personal assistant, knowing you, knowing > what you like to do, and knowing when you like to do it.” > > Later this year, Google plans to introduce Google Now > on Tap, which will use text and image recognition to > understand what users are doing inside apps and make > suggestions. It won’t send information proactively, > but it could anticipate the next steps a user may > want to take. > > For example, when a friend suggests in a text message > eating dinner at a specific restaurant, Google Now > can bring up an information card with the > restaurant’s Yelp reviews, phone number, schedule and > a map, as well as a link to a booking app like > OpenTable to help secure a table. > > Write to Daisuke Wakabayashi at > Daisuke.Wakabayashi@wsj.com and Alistair Barr at alistair.barr@wsj.com Disgusting, more spying from Apple and Google. -- A.M
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| From | Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
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| Date | 2015-08-05 10:10 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. |
| Message-ID | <D1E791AE.5623B%usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
| In reply to | #312485 |
On 8/5/15, 5:11 AM, in article mpsuet$agh$1@dont-email.me, "A.M" <.m@nsn.s> wrote: > On 2015-08-04 6:21 PM, Jeff-Relf.Me wrote: >> Quoting: >> http://www.wsj.com/articles/apple-and-google-know-what-you-want-before-you-do >> -1438625660 >> >> Apple and Google Know What You Want Before You Do. >> >> New technology for smartphones will monitor activity >> and send information before it is requested; locking >> in loyal users. >> >> Apple and Google are preparing new smartphone apps >> that will monitor and predict users¹ activity and >> supply information before it is requested. >> >> By Daisuke Wakabayashi and Alistair Barr >> Aug. 3, 2015 2:14 p.m. ET 69 COMMENTS >> >> Apple Inc. and Google Inc. are racing to anticipate >> the needs of their users. >> >> The technology giants, whose software runs nearly all >> of the world¹s smartphones, are adding features to >> deliver information before users ask for it. Their >> moves suggest that smartphones will evolve into >> devices that dispense information unprompted. >> >> The companies are tackling the technology >> differently, reflecting their own expertise and >> priorities. Apple¹s Proactive Assistant, a feature of >> its forthcoming iOS 9 software, aims to learn how a >> user will behave from information stored on an >> iPhone. By contrast, Google Now combs data from a >> universe of online services and searches. ... > Disgusting, more spying from Apple and Google. With Apple the info comes from your phone and stays on your phone. Apple gets very little if any of it. Unlike Google and MS they are making it very public how little data they are collecting from you. Frankly I am happy to see that. -- * OS X / Linux: What is a file? <http://youtu.be/_dMbXGLW9PI> * Mint MATE Trash, Panel, Menu: <http://youtu.be/C0y74FIf7uE> * Mint KDE working with folders: <http://youtu.be/7C9nvniOoE0> * Mint KDE creating files: <http://youtu.be/N7-fZJaJUv8> * Mint KDE help: <http://youtu.be/3ikizUd3sa8> * Mint KDE general navigation: <http://youtu.be/t9y14yZtQuI> * Mint KDE bugs or Easter eggs? <http://youtu.be/CU-whJQvtfA> * Easy on OS X / Hard on Linux: <http://youtu.be/D3BPWANQoIk> * OS / Word Processor Comparison: <http://youtu.be/w6Qcl-w7s5c>
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| From | John Gohde <john.h.gohde@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-08-04 11:58 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <79788921-b2e0-43a3-8bef-7384889358f3@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #312330 |
On Tuesday, August 4, 2015 at 1:07:34 PM UTC-4, Fabian Russell wrote: > > So what's Jeffie, the retard, gonna do without his Start Menu? He will, > like all retards, just sit there and stare at the empty screen with his > mouth hanging open while drooling all over his shirt. If Linux Mint Cinnamon is using a variation of Microsoft's Start Menu I do NOT really care. You can shove the KDE Desktop up your Arse, Fabian Russell, for all that Moi cares.
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| From | chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2015-08-04 14:34 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <ns42saheo81725o6jkdvguar41491iidff@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #312330 |
Fabian Russell wrote: >On Tue, 04 Aug 2015 00:39:58 -0700, Jeff-Relf.Me wrote: *plonk*
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| From | Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> |
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| Date | 2015-08-04 12:46 -0700 |
| Subject | Indirectly, you (chrisv) see my posts. |
| Message-ID | <Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.4{0.46P.Seattle.2015}> |
| In reply to | #312369 |
Indirectly, you (chrisv) see my posts. I know because you publicly plonk those who quote me, over and over again.
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| From | DFS <nospam@dfs.com> |
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| Date | 2015-08-04 16:57 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <mpr8ts$3kd$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #312330 |
On 8/4/2015 1:07 PM, Fabian Russell wrote: > The Start Menu was specifically created by Microsoft, at great expense, > to accommodate mental retards. The Linux crapbox you're posting from has a Start button. Sometimes it literally says 'Linux' on it to remind you you're using Linux, even though it's been made to look like Windows or OSX so you won't retch. http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/?content=98843
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| From | HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-08-05 06:54 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <mpspui$o5f$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #312330 |
On 8/4/2015 1:07 PM, Fabian Russell wrote: > On Tue, 04 Aug 2015 00:39:58 -0700, Jeff-Relf.Me wrote: > >> I prefer Win8 because, unlike Win10, it has no Start Menu. >> > > The Start Menu was specifically created by Microsoft, at great expense, > to accommodate mental retards. > > This is an undeniable historic fact. Microsoft commissioned psychological > experts ($$$) to observe the behavior of test subjects representing the common > user, i.e. retards. After intensive study the conclusion was that a > "Start" button or menu was essential in allowing access for the common > user, i.e. retards. > > So what's Jeffie, the retard, gonna do without his Start Menu? He will, > like all retards, just sit there and stare at the empty screen with his > mouth hanging open while drooling all over his shirt. > I kinda like this Fabian dude. He has a way with words. -- Cut off one head, two more shall take its place. HAIL HYDRA! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZcG5UOY224
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