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  Interessant artikel Erik <ej@invalid.com> - 2018-04-27 08:16 +0200
    Re: Interessant artikel Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2018-04-27 05:16 -0400
      Re: Interessant artikel chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-04-27 11:26 -0500
        Re: Interessant artikel Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-04-27 09:33 -0700
        Re: Interessant artikel a.m <.m@nsn.s> - 2018-04-27 16:55 -0500
          Re: Interessant artikel Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2018-04-27 21:30 +0000
            Re: Interessant artikel a.m <.m@nsn.s> - 2018-04-28 10:43 -0400
              Re: Interessant artikel Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2018-04-28 16:40 +0000
                Re: Interessant artikel a.m <.m@nsn.s> - 2018-04-28 13:37 -0400
          Re: Interessant artikel "F. Russell" <fr@random.info> - 2018-04-27 22:55 +0000
            Re: Interessant artikel Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2018-04-28 09:19 +0200
              Re: Interessant artikel a.m <.m@nsn.s> - 2018-04-28 11:03 -0400
              Re: Interessant artikel "F. Russell" <fr@random.info> - 2018-04-28 16:52 +0000
                Re: Interessant artikel Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-04-28 10:01 -0700
                  Re: Interessant artikel "F. Russell" <fr@random.info> - 2018-04-28 18:24 +0000
                    Re: Interessant artikel Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-04-28 12:19 -0700
                      Re: Interessant artikel Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-04-28 12:58 -0700
                        Re: Interessant artikel Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-04-28 13:06 -0700
                          Re: Interessant artikel Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-04-28 13:10 -0700
                            Re: Interessant artikel owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-04-28 21:59 +0000
                              Re: Interessant artikel Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-04-28 15:31 -0700
                                Re: Interessant artikel owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-04-28 22:59 +0000
                                  Re: Interessant artikel Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-04-28 16:05 -0700
                                    Re: Interessant artikel owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-04-28 23:15 +0000
                                    Re: Interessant artikel Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-04-28 16:51 -0700
                                      Re: Interessant artikel Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-04-28 17:30 -0700
                Re: Interessant artikel Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-04-28 10:03 -0700
                Re: Interessant artikel Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2018-04-28 20:57 +0200
                  Re: Interessant artikel "F. Russell" <fr@random.info> - 2018-04-28 19:08 +0000
                    Re: Interessant artikel a.m <.m@nsn.s> - 2018-04-28 16:21 -0400
                    Re: Interessant artikel Steven Petruzzellis <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-04-28 23:28 -0700
            Re: Interessant artikel a.m <.m@nsn.s> - 2018-04-28 10:52 -0400
              Re: Interessant artikel Steven Petruzzellis <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-04-28 08:12 -0700

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#449257 — Interessant artikel

Misschien vind je dit lezenswaardig:

http://nymag.com/selectall/2018/04/richard-stallman-rms-on-privacy-data-and-free-software.html

Groetjes

Erik

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#449261

Erik wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

> Misschien vind je dit lezenswaardig:
>
> http://nymag.com/selectall/2018/04/richard-stallman-rms-on-privacy-data-and-free-software.html
>
> Groetjes

Thanks!

-- 
Don't kiss an elephant on the lips today.

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#449281

Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

> Erik wrote:
>
>> Misschien vind je dit lezenswaardig:
>>
>> http://nymag.com/selectall/2018/04/richard-stallman-rms-on-privacy-data-and-free-software.html
>>
>> Groetjes
>
>Thanks!

As usual, RMS is at the forefront of thought, regarding human rights.
Everything he says makes sense, but too many people just don't care,
or have not thought it through, or are not willing to give-up the
advantages of the current situation.  Too many people are actively
fighting in the other direction, and they are ones with the money and
power.

It's very analogous to the situation with the Windows desktop
monopoly, of course.

-- 
"What monopoly?"  -  "True Linux advocate" Hadron Quark

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#449283

On 4/27/18 9:26 AM, chrisv wrote:
> Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
> 
>> Erik wrote:
>>
>>> Misschien vind je dit lezenswaardig:
>>>
>>> http://nymag.com/selectall/2018/04/richard-stallman-rms-on-privacy-data-and-free-software.html
>>>
>>> Groetjes
>>
>> Thanks!
> 
> As usual, RMS is at the forefront of thought, regarding human rights.
> Everything he says makes sense, but too many people just don't care,
> or have not thought it through, or are not willing to give-up the
> advantages of the current situation.  Too many people are actively
> fighting in the other direction, and they are ones with the money and
> power.
> 
> It's very analogous to the situation with the Windows desktop
> monopoly, of course.
> 
People do want advantages... and you think that is bad? And overall, do 
you really think Stallman is at the "forefront of thought"? He insists 
on avoiding common terms, he backs at least some forms of pedophilia and 
bestiality, etc. Hardly where I hope societal thought is going!

-- 
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They 
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel 
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

<https://youtu.be/H4NW-Cqh308>

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#449305

On Fri, 27 Apr 2018 11:26:40 -0500, chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid>
wrote:

>Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>
>> Erik wrote:
>>
>>> Misschien vind je dit lezenswaardig:
>>>
>>> http://nymag.com/selectall/2018/04/richard-stallman-rms-on-privacy-data-and-free-software.html
>>>
>>> Groetjes
>>
>>Thanks!
>
>As usual, RMS is at the forefront of thought, regarding human rights.
>Everything he says makes sense, but too many people just don't care,
>or have not thought it through, or are not willing to give-up the
>advantages of the current situation.  Too many people are actively
>fighting in the other direction, and they are ones with the money and
>power.
>
>It's very analogous to the situation with the Windows desktop
>monopoly, of course.

I was actually thinking about RMS this afternoon as I drove home.
Since I was using the GPS to find the nearest branch of my bank, I
remembered that Stallman is completely against such technology because
it tracks you. Of course, you'd have to wonder how you could implement
such turn-by-turn navigation _without_ allowing yourself to be
tracked. The only thing I can imagine that he find allowable is the
kind of stuff we all used to use like mapquest where we would look up
a destination, print out directions and then hope that we didn't miss
a turn.

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#449307

On 2018-04-27, a.m <> wrote:
> On Fri, 27 Apr 2018 11:26:40 -0500, chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid>
> wrote:
>
>>Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>>
>>> Erik wrote:
>>>
>>>> Misschien vind je dit lezenswaardig:
>>>>
>>>> http://nymag.com/selectall/2018/04/richard-stallman-rms-on-privacy-data-and-free-software.html
>>>>
>>>> Groetjes
>>>
>>>Thanks!
>>
>>As usual, RMS is at the forefront of thought, regarding human rights.
>>Everything he says makes sense, but too many people just don't care,
>>or have not thought it through, or are not willing to give-up the
>>advantages of the current situation.  Too many people are actively
>>fighting in the other direction, and they are ones with the money and
>>power.
>>
>>It's very analogous to the situation with the Windows desktop
>>monopoly, of course.
>
> I was actually thinking about RMS this afternoon as I drove home.
> Since I was using the GPS to find the nearest branch of my bank, I
> remembered that Stallman is completely against such technology because
> it tracks you. Of course, you'd have to wonder how you could implement
> such turn-by-turn navigation _without_ allowing yourself to be
> tracked. The only thing I can imagine that he find allowable is the
> kind of stuff we all used to use like mapquest where we would look up
> a destination, print out directions and then hope that we didn't miss
> a turn.

Well, they cannot identify you by GPS... you need cell phone for that ;p



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#449346

On Fri, 27 Apr 2018 21:30:19 GMT, Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> wrote:

>On 2018-04-27, a.m <> wrote:
>> On Fri, 27 Apr 2018 11:26:40 -0500, chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>>>
>>>> Erik wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Misschien vind je dit lezenswaardig:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://nymag.com/selectall/2018/04/richard-stallman-rms-on-privacy-data-and-free-software.html
>>>>>
>>>>> Groetjes
>>>>
>>>>Thanks!
>>>
>>>As usual, RMS is at the forefront of thought, regarding human rights.
>>>Everything he says makes sense, but too many people just don't care,
>>>or have not thought it through, or are not willing to give-up the
>>>advantages of the current situation.  Too many people are actively
>>>fighting in the other direction, and they are ones with the money and
>>>power.
>>>
>>>It's very analogous to the situation with the Windows desktop
>>>monopoly, of course.
>>
>> I was actually thinking about RMS this afternoon as I drove home.
>> Since I was using the GPS to find the nearest branch of my bank, I
>> remembered that Stallman is completely against such technology because
>> it tracks you. Of course, you'd have to wonder how you could implement
>> such turn-by-turn navigation _without_ allowing yourself to be
>> tracked. The only thing I can imagine that he find allowable is the
>> kind of stuff we all used to use like mapquest where we would look up
>> a destination, print out directions and then hope that we didn't miss
>> a turn.
>
>Well, they cannot identify you by GPS... you need cell phone for that ;p

I imagine that they would be able to identify the owner of the car
though. Either way, I've put things into perspective over the last few
months and realize that I no longer even care about the horrible
things Apple, Google or the other companies do anymore. They're all
awful in one way or another and we should all make an effort to see if
we can live without their products, but there's no reason to boycott
anything or anyone if it can help you out better than everything else
available to you. In this case, the GPS is a gigantic life-saver for
me and I intend to continue using it.

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#449358

On 2018-04-28, a.m <> wrote:
> On Fri, 27 Apr 2018 21:30:19 GMT, Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> wrote:
>
>>On 2018-04-27, a.m <> wrote:
>>> On Fri, 27 Apr 2018 11:26:40 -0500, chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Erik wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Misschien vind je dit lezenswaardig:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://nymag.com/selectall/2018/04/richard-stallman-rms-on-privacy-data-and-free-software.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Groetjes
>>>>>
>>>>>Thanks!
>>>>
>>>>As usual, RMS is at the forefront of thought, regarding human rights.
>>>>Everything he says makes sense, but too many people just don't care,
>>>>or have not thought it through, or are not willing to give-up the
>>>>advantages of the current situation.  Too many people are actively
>>>>fighting in the other direction, and they are ones with the money and
>>>>power.
>>>>
>>>>It's very analogous to the situation with the Windows desktop
>>>>monopoly, of course.
>>>
>>> I was actually thinking about RMS this afternoon as I drove home.
>>> Since I was using the GPS to find the nearest branch of my bank, I
>>> remembered that Stallman is completely against such technology because
>>> it tracks you. Of course, you'd have to wonder how you could implement
>>> such turn-by-turn navigation _without_ allowing yourself to be
>>> tracked. The only thing I can imagine that he find allowable is the
>>> kind of stuff we all used to use like mapquest where we would look up
>>> a destination, print out directions and then hope that we didn't miss
>>> a turn.
>>
>>Well, they cannot identify you by GPS... you need cell phone for that ;p
>
> I imagine that they would be able to identify the owner of the car
> though.

Nope. They don't know what, just position. Cell phone can identify you.

Either way, I've put things into perspective over the last few
> months and realize that I no longer even care about the horrible
> things Apple, Google or the other companies do anymore. They're all
> awful in one way or another and we should all make an effort to see if
> we can live without their products, but there's no reason to boycott
> anything or anyone if it can help you out better than everything else
> available to you. In this case, the GPS is a gigantic life-saver for
> me and I intend to continue using it.

If you use GPS device, no problem. But google tracks you wherever you go
if you have android phone.

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#449371

On Sat, 28 Apr 2018 16:40:34 GMT, Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> wrote:

>On 2018-04-28, a.m <> wrote:
>> On Fri, 27 Apr 2018 21:30:19 GMT, Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On 2018-04-27, a.m <> wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 27 Apr 2018 11:26:40 -0500, chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Erik wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Misschien vind je dit lezenswaardig:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://nymag.com/selectall/2018/04/richard-stallman-rms-on-privacy-data-and-free-software.html
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Groetjes
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Thanks!
>>>>>
>>>>>As usual, RMS is at the forefront of thought, regarding human rights.
>>>>>Everything he says makes sense, but too many people just don't care,
>>>>>or have not thought it through, or are not willing to give-up the
>>>>>advantages of the current situation.  Too many people are actively
>>>>>fighting in the other direction, and they are ones with the money and
>>>>>power.
>>>>>
>>>>>It's very analogous to the situation with the Windows desktop
>>>>>monopoly, of course.
>>>>
>>>> I was actually thinking about RMS this afternoon as I drove home.
>>>> Since I was using the GPS to find the nearest branch of my bank, I
>>>> remembered that Stallman is completely against such technology because
>>>> it tracks you. Of course, you'd have to wonder how you could implement
>>>> such turn-by-turn navigation _without_ allowing yourself to be
>>>> tracked. The only thing I can imagine that he find allowable is the
>>>> kind of stuff we all used to use like mapquest where we would look up
>>>> a destination, print out directions and then hope that we didn't miss
>>>> a turn.
>>>
>>>Well, they cannot identify you by GPS... you need cell phone for that ;p
>>
>> I imagine that they would be able to identify the owner of the car
>> though.
>
>Nope. They don't know what, just position. Cell phone can identify you.

If you say so.

>Either way, I've put things into perspective over the last few
>> months and realize that I no longer even care about the horrible
>> things Apple, Google or the other companies do anymore. They're all
>> awful in one way or another and we should all make an effort to see if
>> we can live without their products, but there's no reason to boycott
>> anything or anyone if it can help you out better than everything else
>> available to you. In this case, the GPS is a gigantic life-saver for
>> me and I intend to continue using it.
>
>If you use GPS device, no problem. But google tracks you wherever you go
>if you have android phone.

Same with Apple if you have an iPhone. I'm one of the hundreds who
ordered a Purism cell phone. As far as I know, we should be getting it
early next year and it is built not to track at all but I imagine that
that privilege will come with humongous compromises...

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#449315

On Fri, 27 Apr 2018 16:55:54 -0500, a.m wrote:

>
> we all used to use like mapquest where we would look up
> a destination, print out directions and then hope that we didn't miss
> a turn.
>

"We all?"  How about just YOU and hordes of other asshole idiots.

I NEVER use either GPS or "directions" because, like all competent
people, I can very easily read a map and determine my own course
of travel.

Maps are fundamental are only pussies, queers, and total idiots
need the assistance of GPS and/or "directions."  

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#449336

F. Russell wrote:

> On Fri, 27 Apr 2018 16:55:54 -0500, a.m wrote:
> 
>>
>> we all used to use like mapquest where we would look up
>> a destination, print out directions and then hope that we didn't miss
>> a turn.
>>
> 
> "We all?"  How about just YOU and hordes of other asshole idiots.
> 
> I NEVER use either GPS or "directions" because, like all competent
> people, I can very easily read a map and determine my own course
> of travel.
> 
> Maps are fundamental are only pussies, queers, and total idiots
> need the assistance of GPS and/or "directions."

Well, tell that to sailors during bad weather (or good weather with sea fog)

They will look at you for what you are: A completely incompetent Snit. You 
are stupid and the very blueprint for "idiots"

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#449351

On Sat, 28 Apr 2018 09:19:20 +0200, Peter Köhlmann
<peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> wrote:

>F. Russell wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 27 Apr 2018 16:55:54 -0500, a.m wrote:
>> 
>>>
>>> we all used to use like mapquest where we would look up
>>> a destination, print out directions and then hope that we didn't miss
>>> a turn.
>>>
>> 
>> "We all?"  How about just YOU and hordes of other asshole idiots.
>> 
>> I NEVER use either GPS or "directions" because, like all competent
>> people, I can very easily read a map and determine my own course
>> of travel.
>> 
>> Maps are fundamental are only pussies, queers, and total idiots
>> need the assistance of GPS and/or "directions."
>
>Well, tell that to sailors during bad weather (or good weather with sea fog)
>
>They will look at you for what you are: A completely incompetent Snit. You 
>are stupid and the very blueprint for "idiots"

+1

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#449361

On Sat, 28 Apr 2018 09:19:20 +0200, Peter Köhlmann wrote:

> 
> tell that to sailors during bad weather
>

We are not talking about ship navigation, or aircraft navigation,
or even spacecraft navigation.

The context is navigation with an AUTOMOBILE, and anyone who cannot
read a simple map to determine his own route is a total moron.

Imbecile.

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#449366

On Saturday, April 28, 2018 at 10:53:33 AM UTC-6, F. Russell wrote:
> On Sat, 28 Apr 2018 09:19:20 +0200, Peter Köhlmann wrote:
> 
> > 
> > tell that to sailors during bad weather
> >
> 
> We are not talking about ship navigation, or aircraft navigation,
> or even spacecraft navigation.
> 
> The context is navigation with an AUTOMOBILE, and anyone who cannot
> read a simple map to determine his own route is a total moron.

That 'hordes of asshole idiots' use a GPS may mean they do so for 
convenience, it doesn't translate into: 'they can't read a simple map'.

Only an imbecile would assume otherwise.

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#449381

On Sat, 28 Apr 2018 10:01:57 -0700, Steve Carroll wrote:

> 
> That 'hordes of asshole idiots' use a GPS may mean they do so for 
> convenience, it doesn't translate into: 'they can't read a simple map'.
> 

Convenience my fragrant ass.  These people have far more money than
brains, and hence they willingly pay for another gadget that will
save them from their stupidity.

How big is a GPS screen?  Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha!  It's so fucking small
as to be totally useless.  A simple map, however, provides a broad
view of the layout and allows the human brain, which is designed for
such kinds of visual processing, to form the proper "gestalt."

Of course you cannot agree because you are a card-carrying member
of the above mentioned horde.

Simple road maps are 2-dimensional.  I'd hate to see these idiots,
and you included, try to wrestle with 3-D topographical maps.

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#449388

On Saturday, April 28, 2018 at 12:24:24 PM UTC-6, F. Russell wrote:
> On Sat, 28 Apr 2018 10:01:57 -0700, Steve Carroll wrote:
> 
> > 
> > That 'hordes of asshole idiots' use a GPS may mean they do so for 
> > convenience, it doesn't translate into: 'they can't read a simple map'.
> > 
> 
> Convenience my fragrant ass.  These people have far more money than
> brains, and hence they willingly pay for another gadget that will
> save them from their stupidity.
> 
> How big is a GPS screen?  Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha!  It's so fucking small
> as to be totally useless.  


That's your opinion and you know what they're like. I have a little 
eTrex 30x with 3d topo maps for areas I'm interested in. Granted,
I wouldn't step into the woods with a map, compass and the skill
to use them but I like the convenient gadget and no FEEBle idiot's
opinion will change that.

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#449389

On 4/28/18 12:19 PM, Steve Carroll wrote:
> On Saturday, April 28, 2018 at 12:24:24 PM UTC-6, F. Russell wrote:
>> On Sat, 28 Apr 2018 10:01:57 -0700, Steve Carroll wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> That 'hordes of asshole idiots' use a GPS may mean they do so for
>>> convenience, it doesn't translate into: 'they can't read a simple map'.
>>>
>>
>> Convenience my fragrant ass.  These people have far more money than
>> brains, and hence they willingly pay for another gadget that will
>> save them from their stupidity.
>>
>> How big is a GPS screen?  Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha!  It's so fucking small
>> as to be totally useless.
> 
> 
> That's your opinion and you know what they're like. I have a little
> eTrex 30x with 3d topo maps for areas I'm interested in. Granted,
> I wouldn't step into the woods with a map, compass and the skill
> to use them but I like the convenient gadget and no FEEBle idiot's
> opinion will change that.
> 
> 
I have used GPS on my phone but mostly for testing only. I simply do not 
find I have much need, in part because I live in a small city but even 
when I visit a larger city I tend to use printed maps. But that is MY 
choice and I can see the appeal to a GPS. I do not get the attack 
against people for making different choices than you (coming from F. 
Russell, not you Carroll).

-- 
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They 
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel 
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

<https://youtu.be/H4NW-Cqh308>

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#449394

On Saturday, April 28, 2018 at 1:58:28 PM UTC-6, Snit wrote:
> On 4/28/18 12:19 PM, Steve Carroll wrote:
> > On Saturday, April 28, 2018 at 12:24:24 PM UTC-6, F. Russell wrote:
> >> On Sat, 28 Apr 2018 10:01:57 -0700, Steve Carroll wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>> That 'hordes of asshole idiots' use a GPS may mean they do so for
> >>> convenience, it doesn't translate into: 'they can't read a simple map'.
> >>>
> >>
> >> Convenience my fragrant ass.  These people have far more money than
> >> brains, and hence they willingly pay for another gadget that will
> >> save them from their stupidity.
> >>
> >> How big is a GPS screen?  Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha!  It's so fucking small
> >> as to be totally useless.
> > 
> > 
> > That's your opinion and you know what they're like. I have a little
> > eTrex 30x with 3d topo maps for areas I'm interested in. Granted,
> > I wouldn't step into the woods with a map, compass and the skill
> > to use them but I like the convenient gadget and no FEEBle idiot's
> > opinion will change that.
> > 
> > 
> I have used GPS on my phone but mostly for testing only. I simply do not 
> find I have much need, in part because I live in a small city but even 
> when I visit a larger city I tend to use printed maps. But that is MY 
> choice and I can see the appeal to a GPS. I do not get the attack 
> against people for making different choices than you (coming from F. 
> Russell, not you Carroll).

In the woods you shouldn't rely on GPS, mainly because of interference, 
so I don't... but I enjoy being able to look at it to see my position. What
happens to the guy who decided to go cross country, took a fall and broke 
his? Without map and compass he may have screwed himself.

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#449395

On 4/28/18 1:06 PM, Steve Carroll wrote:
> On Saturday, April 28, 2018 at 1:58:28 PM UTC-6, Snit wrote:
>> On 4/28/18 12:19 PM, Steve Carroll wrote:
>>> On Saturday, April 28, 2018 at 12:24:24 PM UTC-6, F. Russell wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 28 Apr 2018 10:01:57 -0700, Steve Carroll wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> That 'hordes of asshole idiots' use a GPS may mean they do so for
>>>>> convenience, it doesn't translate into: 'they can't read a simple map'.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Convenience my fragrant ass.  These people have far more money than
>>>> brains, and hence they willingly pay for another gadget that will
>>>> save them from their stupidity.
>>>>
>>>> How big is a GPS screen?  Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha!  It's so fucking small
>>>> as to be totally useless.
>>>
>>>
>>> That's your opinion and you know what they're like. I have a little
>>> eTrex 30x with 3d topo maps for areas I'm interested in. Granted,
>>> I wouldn't step into the woods with a map, compass and the skill
>>> to use them but I like the convenient gadget and no FEEBle idiot's
>>> opinion will change that.
>>>
>>>
>> I have used GPS on my phone but mostly for testing only. I simply do not
>> find I have much need, in part because I live in a small city but even
>> when I visit a larger city I tend to use printed maps. But that is MY
>> choice and I can see the appeal to a GPS. I do not get the attack
>> against people for making different choices than you (coming from F.
>> Russell, not you Carroll).
> 
> In the woods you shouldn't rely on GPS, mainly because of interference,
> so I don't... but I enjoy being able to look at it to see my position. What
> happens to the guy who decided to go cross country, took a fall and broke
> his? Without map and compass he may have screwed himself.
> 
I have a relative who does Iron Man competitions and Triathlons and the 
like... for longer races she uses hers extensively (as well as for 
training). In a race down South she ended up getting lost in a place 
where her GPS was not working and had to call 911 when it got dark (and 
even then it took her an hour or so to find a place with service) -- 
alligators at night are NOT something you want to mess with. :)



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Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
> On 4/28/18 1:06 PM, Steve Carroll wrote:
>> On Saturday, April 28, 2018 at 1:58:28 PM UTC-6, Snit wrote:
>>> On 4/28/18 12:19 PM, Steve Carroll wrote:
>>>> On Saturday, April 28, 2018 at 12:24:24 PM UTC-6, F. Russell wrote:
>>>>> On Sat, 28 Apr 2018 10:01:57 -0700, Steve Carroll wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That 'hordes of asshole idiots' use a GPS may mean they do so for
>>>>>> convenience, it doesn't translate into: 'they can't read a simple map'.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Convenience my fragrant ass.  These people have far more money than
>>>>> brains, and hence they willingly pay for another gadget that will
>>>>> save them from their stupidity.
>>>>>
>>>>> How big is a GPS screen?  Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha!  It's so fucking small
>>>>> as to be totally useless.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> That's your opinion and you know what they're like. I have a little
>>>> eTrex 30x with 3d topo maps for areas I'm interested in. Granted,
>>>> I wouldn't step into the woods with a map, compass and the skill
>>>> to use them but I like the convenient gadget and no FEEBle idiot's
>>>> opinion will change that.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> I have used GPS on my phone but mostly for testing only. I simply do not
>>> find I have much need, in part because I live in a small city but even
>>> when I visit a larger city I tend to use printed maps. But that is MY
>>> choice and I can see the appeal to a GPS. I do not get the attack
>>> against people for making different choices than you (coming from F.
>>> Russell, not you Carroll).
>> 
>> In the woods you shouldn't rely on GPS, mainly because of interference,
>> so I don't... but I enjoy being able to look at it to see my position. What
>> happens to the guy who decided to go cross country, took a fall and broke
>> his? Without map and compass he may have screwed himself.
>> 
> I have a relative who does Iron Man competitions and Triathlons and the 
> like... for longer races she uses hers extensively (as well as for 
> training). In a race down South she ended up getting lost in a place 
> where her GPS was not working and had to call 911 when it got dark (and 
> even then it took her an hour or so to find a place with service) -- 
> alligators at night are NOT something you want to mess with. :)
> 

Alligators?  Was she treading water at night waiting on her ride?

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