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| Started by | Ian Hilliard <nospam@nospam.org> |
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| First post | 2014-04-23 16:22 +0200 |
| Last post | 2014-04-24 13:19 +0200 |
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Help for all the unemployed MSCEs posting in COLA Ian Hilliard <nospam@nospam.org> - 2014-04-23 16:22 +0200
Re: Help for all the unemployed MSCEs posting in COLA DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2014-04-23 10:51 -0400
Re: Help for all the unemployed MSCEs posting in COLA flatfish+++ <phlatphish@yahoo.com> - 2014-04-23 11:04 -0400
Re: Help for all the unemployed MSCEs posting in COLA DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2014-04-23 18:06 -0400
Re: Help for all the unemployed MSCEs posting in COLA flatfish+++ <phlatphish@yahoo.com> - 2014-04-23 18:14 -0400
Re: Help for all the unemployed MSCEs posting in COLA Hadron<hadronquark@gmail.com> - 2014-04-24 13:20 +0200
Re: Help for all the unemployed MSCEs posting in COLA Ian Hilliard <nospam@nospam.org> - 2014-04-24 15:59 +0200
Re: Help for all the unemployed MSCEs posting in COLA Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2014-04-24 11:30 -0400
Re: Help for all the unemployed MSCEs posting in COLA Hadron<hadronquark@gmail.com> - 2014-04-24 17:43 +0200
Re: Help for all the unemployed MSCEs posting in COLA flatfish+++ <phlatphish@yahoo.com> - 2014-04-24 12:04 -0400
Re: Help for all the unemployed MSCEs posting in COLA Silver Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2014-04-24 12:38 -0400
Re: Help for all the unemployed MSCEs posting in COLA chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2014-04-24 10:42 -0500
Re: Help for all the unemployed MSCEs posting in COLA DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2014-04-24 22:26 -0400
Re: Help for all the unemployed MSCEs posting in COLA Hadron<hadronquark@gmail.com> - 2014-04-25 14:00 +0200
Re: Help for all the unemployed MSCEs posting in COLA Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2014-04-25 14:41 +0200
Re: Help for all the unemployed MSCEs posting in COLA chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2014-04-25 07:55 -0500
Re: Help for all the unemployed MSCEs posting in COLA Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2014-04-25 09:25 -0400
Re: Help for all the unemployed MSCEs posting in COLA chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2014-04-25 08:40 -0500
Re: Help for all the unemployed MSCEs posting in COLA flatfish+++ <phlatphish@yahoo.com> - 2014-04-25 09:55 -0400
Re: Help for all the unemployed MSCEs posting in COLA Hadron<hadronquark@gmail.com> - 2014-04-25 16:03 +0200
Re: Help for all the unemployed MSCEs posting in COLA Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2014-04-25 14:21 +0000
Re: Help for all the unemployed MSCEs posting in COLA GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2014-04-25 11:41 -0600
"Hadron" basically admits Windows is "lowest common denominator" Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2014-04-25 09:24 -0400
Re: "Hadron" basically admits Windows is "lowest common denominator" Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-04-25 08:54 -0700
Re: Help for all the unemployed MSCEs posting in COLA DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2014-04-29 19:47 -0400
Re: Help for all the unemployed MSCEs posting in COLA flatfish+++ <phlatphish@yahoo.com> - 2014-04-30 08:39 -0400
Re: Help for all the unemployed MSCEs posting in COLA Silver Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2014-04-30 10:13 -0400
Re: Help for all the unemployed MSCEs posting in COLA flatfish+++ <phlatphish@yahoo.com> - 2014-04-30 10:19 -0400
Re: Help for all the unemployed MSCEs posting in COLA Silver Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2014-04-30 10:31 -0400
Re: Help for all the unemployed MSCEs posting in COLA flatfish+++ <phlatphish@yahoo.com> - 2014-04-30 10:34 -0400
Re: Help for all the unemployed MSCEs posting in COLA Silver Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2014-04-30 12:31 -0400
Re: Help for all the unemployed MSCEs posting in COLA Steve Carroll <fretwizzen@gmail.com> - 2014-04-30 17:04 -0700
Re: Help for all the unemployed MSCEs posting in COLA Ian Hilliard <nospam@nospam.org> - 2014-04-25 17:44 +0200
Re: Help for all the unemployed MSCEs posting in COLA chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2014-04-25 11:01 -0500
Re: Help for all the unemployed MSCEs posting in COLA DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2014-04-29 19:33 -0400
Re: Help for all the unemployed MSCEs posting in COLA flatfish+++ <phlatphish@yahoo.com> - 2014-04-30 08:00 -0400
Re: Help for all the unemployed MSCEs posting in COLA DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2014-04-30 09:12 -0400
Re: Help for all the unemployed MSCEs posting in COLA flatfish+++ <phlatphish@yahoo.com> - 2014-04-30 10:05 -0400
Re: Help for all the unemployed MSCEs posting in COLA Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2014-04-25 14:07 -0400
Re: Help for all the unemployed MSCEs posting in COLA flatfish+++ <phlatphish@yahoo.com> - 2014-04-25 14:22 -0400
Re: Help for all the unemployed MSCEs posting in COLA Hadron<hadronquark@gmail.com> - 2014-04-25 23:57 +0200
Re: Help for all the unemployed MSCEs posting in COLA Ian Hilliard <nospam@nospam.org> - 2014-04-28 16:01 +0200
The low road versus the high road Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2014-04-28 10:24 -0400
Re: The low road versus the high road flatfish+++ <phlatphish@yahoo.com> - 2014-04-28 10:54 -0400
Re: The low road versus the high road chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2014-04-28 10:08 -0500
Re: The low road versus the high road Ian Hilliard <nospam@nospam.org> - 2014-04-28 18:12 +0200
Re: The low road versus the high road Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2014-04-28 18:26 +0200
Re: The low road versus the high road chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2014-04-28 12:02 -0500
Re: The low road versus the high road Hadron<hadronquark@gmail.com> - 2014-04-28 18:32 +0200
Re: The low road versus the high road Ian Hilliard <nospam@nospam.org> - 2014-04-28 18:44 +0200
Re: The low road versus the high road chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2014-04-28 12:09 -0500
Re: The low road versus the high road Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2014-04-28 18:47 +0200
Re: The low road versus the high road Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2014-04-28 12:53 -0400
Re: The low road versus the high road Hadron<hadronquark@gmail.com> - 2014-04-28 19:10 +0200
Re: The low road versus the high road Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2014-04-28 20:00 +0200
Re: The low road versus the high road chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2014-04-28 13:11 -0500
Re: The low road versus the high road chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2014-04-28 13:32 -0500
Re: The low road versus the high road chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2014-04-28 13:46 -0500
Re: The low road versus the high road DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2014-04-29 19:28 -0400
Re: The low road versus the high road flatfish+++ <phlatphish@yahoo.com> - 2014-04-30 07:58 -0400
Re: The low road versus the high road chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2014-04-28 12:11 -0500
Re: The low road versus the high road Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2014-04-28 14:12 -0400
Re: The low road versus the high road Silver Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2014-04-28 13:04 -0400
Re: The low road versus the high road GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2014-04-28 11:19 -0600
Re: The low road versus the high road chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2014-04-28 12:03 -0500
Re: The low road versus the high road GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2014-04-28 11:17 -0600
Re: The low road versus the high road Hadron<hadronquark@gmail.com> - 2014-04-28 19:21 +0200
Re: The low road versus the high road GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2014-04-28 12:06 -0600
Re: The low road versus the high road chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2014-04-28 11:53 -0500
Re: Help for all the unemployed MSCEs posting in COLA DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2014-04-28 19:23 -0400
Re: Help for all the unemployed MSCEs posting in COLA Silver Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2014-04-28 19:57 -0400
Re: Help for all the unemployed MSCEs posting in COLA Nobody <nobody@invalid.com> - 2014-04-26 01:08 -0500
Re: Help for all the unemployed MSCEs posting in COLA William Poaster <wp@induh-vidual.net> - 2014-04-26 10:48 +0100
Re: Help for all the unemployed MSCEs posting in COLA Nobody <nobody@invalid.com> - 2014-04-26 08:24 -0500
Re: Help for all the unemployed MSCEs posting in COLA DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2014-04-27 17:39 -0400
Re: Help for all the unemployed MSCEs posting in COLA Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2014-04-27 14:41 -0700
Re: Help for all the unemployed MSCEs posting in COLA Hadron<hadronquark@gmail.com> - 2014-04-28 15:53 +0200
Re: Help for all the unemployed MSCEs posting in COLA DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2014-04-28 13:21 -0400
Re: Help for all the unemployed MSCEs posting in COLA Silver Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2014-04-23 12:52 -0400
Re: Help for all the unemployed MSCEs posting in COLA chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2014-04-23 13:26 -0500
Re: Help for all the unemployed MSCEs posting in COLA Benny <bt@example.net> - 2014-04-23 15:56 -0600
Re: Help for all the unemployed MSCEs posting in COLA 7 <email_at_www_at_enemygadgets_dot_com@enemygadgets.com> - 2014-04-24 00:10 +0100
Re: Help for all the unemployed MSCEs posting in COLA chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2014-04-24 06:51 -0500
Re: Help for all the unemployed MSCEs posting in COLA Sinister Midget <fardblossom@gmail.com> - 2014-04-23 21:40 +0000
Re: Help for all the unemployed MSCEs posting in COLA Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-04-23 16:43 -0700
Re: Help for all the unemployed MSCEs posting in COLA 7 <email_at_www_at_enemygadgets_dot_com@enemygadgets.com> - 2014-04-24 01:48 +0100
Re: Help for all the unemployed MSCEs posting in COLA DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2014-04-23 21:40 -0400
Re: Help for all the unemployed MSCEs posting in COLA Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2014-04-24 05:41 -0400
Re: Help for all the unemployed MSCEs posting in COLA Hadron<hadronquark@gmail.com> - 2014-04-24 13:19 +0200
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| From | Ian Hilliard <nospam@nospam.org> |
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| Date | 2014-04-23 16:22 +0200 |
| Subject | Help for all the unemployed MSCEs posting in COLA |
| Message-ID | <brq0k8F69k7U1@mid.individual.net> |
It appears that some people have too much time on their hands. I guess that unemployment is a bitch. So, here is a very useful link, which should help them to become useful members of society. http://opensource.com/business/14/4/open-source-job-skills?sc_cid=70160000000cVxvAAE&elq=7dd4d12255494fd8bd1b3ae1c8adf9a8&elqCampaignId=19318 Ian
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| From | DFS <nospam@dfs.com> |
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| Date | 2014-04-23 10:51 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <lj8k1q$3na$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #239813 |
On 04/23/2014 10:22 AM, Ian Hilliard wrote: > It appears that some people have too much time on their hands. I guess > that unemployment is a bitch. So, here is a very useful link, which > should help them to become useful members of society. > > http://opensource.com/business/14/4/open-source-job-skills?sc_cid=70160000000cVxvAAE&elq=7dd4d12255494fd8bd1b3ae1c8adf9a8&elqCampaignId=19318 > > > Ian User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.4.0 It's MCSE. And I see you're not posting from your Windows job. Good one, Bighead! "All the code that my teams produce is tested on a number of different platforms, using a number of different tools, on a number of different processors to detect any errors. The actual end platform is then selected based on a series of tests." LMAO!
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| From | flatfish+++ <phlatphish@yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2014-04-23 11:04 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <lsumhq0q5h9h.wij42k6q4spf.dlg@40tude.net> |
| In reply to | #239818 |
On Wed, 23 Apr 2014 10:51:39 -0400, DFS wrote: > On 04/23/2014 10:22 AM, Ian Hilliard wrote: >> It appears that some people have too much time on their hands. I guess >> that unemployment is a bitch. So, here is a very useful link, which >> should help them to become useful members of society. >> >> http://opensource.com/business/14/4/open-source-job-skills?sc_cid=70160000000cVxvAAE&elq=7dd4d12255494fd8bd1b3ae1c8adf9a8&elqCampaignId=19318 >> >> >> Ian > > > User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 > Thunderbird/24.4.0 > > > It's MCSE. And I see you're not posting from your Windows job. > > Good one, Bighead! > > > > "All the code that my teams produce is tested on a number of different > platforms, using a number of different tools, on a number of different > processors to detect any errors. The actual end platform is then > selected based on a series of tests." > > LMAO! That's funny!
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| From | DFS <nospam@dfs.com> |
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| Date | 2014-04-23 18:06 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <lj9dga$sqe$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #239822 |
On 4/23/2014 11:04 AM, flatfish+++ wrote: > On Wed, 23 Apr 2014 10:51:39 -0400, DFS wrote: > >> On 04/23/2014 10:22 AM, Ian Hilliard wrote: >>> It appears that some people have too much time on their hands. I guess >>> that unemployment is a bitch. So, here is a very useful link, which >>> should help them to become useful members of society. >>> >>> http://opensource.com/business/14/4/open-source-job-skills?sc_cid=70160000000cVxvAAE&elq=7dd4d12255494fd8bd1b3ae1c8adf9a8&elqCampaignId=19318 >>> >>> >>> Ian >> >> >> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 >> Thunderbird/24.4.0 >> >> >> It's MCSE. And I see you're not posting from your Windows job. >> >> Good one, Bighead! >> >> >> >> "All the code that my teams produce is tested on a number of different >> platforms, using a number of different tools, on a number of different >> processors to detect any errors. The actual end platform is then >> selected based on a series of tests." >> >> LMAO! > > That's funny! They select the OS /after/ they write and test the code. That's how it's done in Ian's world...
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| From | flatfish+++ <phlatphish@yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2014-04-23 18:14 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <181ny4ss0omp.eybk75aqpbt8$.dlg@40tude.net> |
| In reply to | #239875 |
On Wed, 23 Apr 2014 18:06:01 -0400, DFS wrote: > On 4/23/2014 11:04 AM, flatfish+++ wrote: >> On Wed, 23 Apr 2014 10:51:39 -0400, DFS wrote: >> >>> On 04/23/2014 10:22 AM, Ian Hilliard wrote: >>>> It appears that some people have too much time on their hands. I guess >>>> that unemployment is a bitch. So, here is a very useful link, which >>>> should help them to become useful members of society. >>>> >>>> http://opensource.com/business/14/4/open-source-job-skills?sc_cid=70160000000cVxvAAE&elq=7dd4d12255494fd8bd1b3ae1c8adf9a8&elqCampaignId=19318 >>>> >>>> >>>> Ian >>> >>> >>> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 >>> Thunderbird/24.4.0 >>> >>> >>> It's MCSE. And I see you're not posting from your Windows job. >>> >>> Good one, Bighead! >>> >>> >>> >>> "All the code that my teams produce is tested on a number of different >>> platforms, using a number of different tools, on a number of different >>> processors to detect any errors. The actual end platform is then >>> selected based on a series of tests." >>> >>> LMAO! >> >> That's funny! > > > They select the OS /after/ they write and test the code. That's how > it's done in Ian's world... "All of our cars have audio systems in them. We select the engine, transmission and suspension based upon which audio system option the buyer chooses".....
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| From | Hadron<hadronquark@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2014-04-24 13:20 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <8761lzvus6.fsf@gmail.com> |
| In reply to | #239818 |
DFS <nospam@dfs.com> writes: > On 04/23/2014 10:22 AM, Ian Hilliard wrote: >> It appears that some people have too much time on their hands. I guess >> that unemployment is a bitch. So, here is a very useful link, which >> should help them to become useful members of society. >> >> http://opensource.com/business/14/4/open-source-job-skills?sc_cid=70160000000cVxvAAE&elq=7dd4d12255494fd8bd1b3ae1c8adf9a8&elqCampaignId=19318 >> >> >> Ian > > User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 > Thunderbird/24.4.0 > > It's MCSE. And I see you're not posting from your Windows job. > > Good one, Bighead! > > "All the code that my teams produce is tested on a number of different > platforms, using a number of different tools, on a number of different > processors to detect any errors. The actual end platform is then > selected based on a series of tests." > > LMAO! > > > > Yup. The "legend" actually pics the deployment platform AFTER design, implementation, testing and, probably, user acceptance tests. What an idiot Hilliard is. -- "I have a BSEE.... Negative feedback has many benefits, but "maintaining stability" is not one of them. Just the opposite, in fact." The turdv/chrisv idiot and his pretend BSEE degree. PLEASE VISIT OUR HALL OF LINUX IDIOTS http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/
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| From | Ian Hilliard <nospam@nospam.org> |
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| Date | 2014-04-24 15:59 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <brsjljFn28mU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #239970 |
On 24/04/14 13:20, Hadron wrote: > DFS <nospam@dfs.com> writes: > >> On 04/23/2014 10:22 AM, Ian Hilliard wrote: >>> It appears that some people have too much time on their hands. I guess >>> that unemployment is a bitch. So, here is a very useful link, which >>> should help them to become useful members of society. >>> >>> http://opensource.com/business/14/4/open-source-job-skills?sc_cid=70160000000cVxvAAE&elq=7dd4d12255494fd8bd1b3ae1c8adf9a8&elqCampaignId=19318 >>> >>> >>> Ian >> >> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 >> Thunderbird/24.4.0 >> >> It's MCSE. And I see you're not posting from your Windows job. >> >> Good one, Bighead! >> >> "All the code that my teams produce is tested on a number of different >> platforms, using a number of different tools, on a number of different >> processors to detect any errors. The actual end platform is then >> selected based on a series of tests." >> >> LMAO! >> >> >> >> > > > Yup. The "legend" actually pics the deployment platform AFTER design, > implementation, testing and, probably, user acceptance tests. What an > idiot Hilliard is. > I love how you Microsoft True Believers love to display your ignorance in public. In the world of true software engineering, platform is not a requirement. It is a dependent variable. People, who make the mistake of making it a requirement often fall all over the results of their decision, when their chosen platform cannot do what is required. A common form of this is the need to do some hack in Windows using an undocumented interface, because the OS was actually the wrong choice for the task. Then suddenly, surprise surprise, the next set of patches from Microsoft breaks things. This is because the developers shouldn't have been using those undocumented interfaces anyway. This also goes back to proper decision making methodology. A decision should be made using the best available information. The problem is that often some critical pieces of information are simply not available. This is where assumptions come in to play. People make logical assumptions often based on experience. A common form of reasoning behind the assumption is the belief that if it works for A then it must work for B. I have seen such assumptions being made, even where A and B bear no resemblance to each other. The problem with assumptions is that they may or may not be correct. I have however seen too many such assumptions taken for gospel. Under such circumstances, assumption is likely to lead to disaster. Put another way, "Assumption is the mother of all fsck-ups." If development is made on the basis that the platform could be changed, it opens up access to a number of different tools for testing. It also forces the developers to use the OS abstraction layer that has been chosen and in turn stops the developers from using OS specific hacks. If the chosen OS turns out to be usable, then the application is also likely to survive updates. If the OS turns out not to be suitable, then it can be changed. This is good engineering and a key to good project management. I know that all the wintrolls in this group are poo-pooing this posting, as it does not agree with the evangelical training they have received from Redmond. It is however the best way to stop from painting oneself into a technological corner. Ian
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| From | Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> |
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| Date | 2014-04-24 11:30 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <ljban3$q0g$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #239987 |
Ian Hilliard wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties: > On 24/04/14 13:20, Hadron wrote: >> DFS <nospam@dfs.com> writes: >> >> <moronic drivel snipped> > > I love how you Microsoft True Believers love to display your ignorance > in public. In the world of true software engineering, platform is not a > requirement. It is a dependent variable. People, who make the mistake of > making it a requirement often fall all over the results of their > decision, when their chosen platform cannot do what is required. A > common form of this is the need to do some hack in Windows using an > undocumented interface, because the OS was actually the wrong choice for > the task. Then suddenly, surprise surprise, the next set of patches from > Microsoft breaks things. This is because the developers shouldn't have > been using those undocumented interfaces anyway. > > This also goes back to proper decision making methodology. A decision > should be made using the best available information. The problem is that > often some critical pieces of information are simply not available. This > is where assumptions come in to play. People make logical assumptions > often based on experience. A common form of reasoning behind the > assumption is the belief that if it works for A then it must work for B. > I have seen such assumptions being made, even where A and B bear no > resemblance to each other. > > The problem with assumptions is that they may or may not be correct. I > have however seen too many such assumptions taken for gospel. Under > such circumstances, assumption is likely to lead to disaster. Put > another way, "Assumption is the mother of all fsck-ups." > > If development is made on the basis that the platform could be changed, > it opens up access to a number of different tools for testing. It also > forces the developers to use the OS abstraction layer that has been > chosen and in turn stops the developers from using OS specific hacks. If > the chosen OS turns out to be usable, then the application is also > likely to survive updates. If the OS turns out not to be suitable, then > it can be changed. This is good engineering and a key to good project > management. > > I know that all the wintrolls in this group are poo-pooing this posting, > as it does not agree with the evangelical training they have received > from Redmond. It is however the best way to stop from painting oneself > into a technological corner. The two responders to your posts are swine. Plonkworthy. -- Fortune's Rules for Memo Wars: #2 Given the incredible advances in sociocybernetics and telepsychology over the last few years, we are now able to completely understand everything that the author of an memo is trying to say. Thanks to modern developments in electrocommunications like notes, vnews, and electricity, we have an incredible level of interunderstanding the likes of which civilization has never known. Thus, the possibility of your misinterpreting someone else's memo is practically nil. Knowing this, anyone who accuses you of having done so is a liar, and should be treated accordingly. If you *do* understand the memo in question, but have absolutely nothing of substance to say, then you have an excellent opportunity for a vicious ad hominem attack. In fact, the only *inappropriate* times for an ad hominem attack are as follows: 1: When you agree completely with the author of an memo. 2: When the author of the original memo is much bigger than you are. 3: When replying to one of your own memos.
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| From | Hadron<hadronquark@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2014-04-24 17:43 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <8738h2bunl.fsf@gmail.com> |
| In reply to | #239993 |
Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> writes: > Ian Hilliard wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties: > >> On 24/04/14 13:20, Hadron wrote: >>> DFS <nospam@dfs.com> writes: >>> >>> <moronic drivel snipped> >> >> I love how you Microsoft True Believers love to display your ignorance >> in public. In the world of true software engineering, platform is not a >> requirement. It is a dependent variable. People, who make the mistake of >> making it a requirement often fall all over the results of their >> decision, when their chosen platform cannot do what is required. A >> common form of this is the need to do some hack in Windows using an >> undocumented interface, because the OS was actually the wrong choice for >> the task. Then suddenly, surprise surprise, the next set of patches from >> Microsoft breaks things. This is because the developers shouldn't have >> been using those undocumented interfaces anyway. >> >> This also goes back to proper decision making methodology. A decision >> should be made using the best available information. The problem is that >> often some critical pieces of information are simply not available. This >> is where assumptions come in to play. People make logical assumptions >> often based on experience. A common form of reasoning behind the >> assumption is the belief that if it works for A then it must work for B. >> I have seen such assumptions being made, even where A and B bear no >> resemblance to each other. >> >> The problem with assumptions is that they may or may not be correct. I >> have however seen too many such assumptions taken for gospel. Under >> such circumstances, assumption is likely to lead to disaster. Put >> another way, "Assumption is the mother of all fsck-ups." >> >> If development is made on the basis that the platform could be changed, >> it opens up access to a number of different tools for testing. It also >> forces the developers to use the OS abstraction layer that has been >> chosen and in turn stops the developers from using OS specific hacks. If >> the chosen OS turns out to be usable, then the application is also >> likely to survive updates. If the OS turns out not to be suitable, then >> it can be changed. This is good engineering and a key to good project >> management. >> >> I know that all the wintrolls in this group are poo-pooing this posting, >> as it does not agree with the evangelical training they have received >> from Redmond. It is however the best way to stop from painting oneself >> into a technological corner. > > The two responders to your posts are swine. Plonkworthy. Yet he's posting here about MCSE etc? Maybe you could call us "cunts" and "fuckheads" again you simpering little weenie. Or maybe show us with assembler how Peter's crap code was really world class? Or maybe lick Hilliard's arse about his claims that he designs, implements and tests world class SW before deciding what platform it sell it on? Ahlstrom : you're a twit. Out and out twit. -- "I have a BSEE.... Negative feedback has many benefits, but "maintaining stability" is not one of them. Just the opposite, in fact." The turdv/chrisv idiot and his pretend BSEE degree. PLEASE VISIT OUR HALL OF LINUX IDIOTS http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/
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| From | flatfish+++ <phlatphish@yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2014-04-24 12:04 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <eqafcwn420a2.qvbm96smdxzh$.dlg@40tude.net> |
| In reply to | #239997 |
On Thu, 24 Apr 2014 17:43:10 +0200, Hadron wrote: > Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> writes: > >> Ian Hilliard wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties: >> >>> On 24/04/14 13:20, Hadron wrote: >>>> DFS <nospam@dfs.com> writes: >>>> >>>> <moronic drivel snipped> >>> >>> I love how you Microsoft True Believers love to display your ignorance >>> in public. In the world of true software engineering, platform is not a >>> requirement. It is a dependent variable. People, who make the mistake of >>> making it a requirement often fall all over the results of their >>> decision, when their chosen platform cannot do what is required. A >>> common form of this is the need to do some hack in Windows using an >>> undocumented interface, because the OS was actually the wrong choice for >>> the task. Then suddenly, surprise surprise, the next set of patches from >>> Microsoft breaks things. This is because the developers shouldn't have >>> been using those undocumented interfaces anyway. >>> >>> This also goes back to proper decision making methodology. A decision >>> should be made using the best available information. The problem is that >>> often some critical pieces of information are simply not available. This >>> is where assumptions come in to play. People make logical assumptions >>> often based on experience. A common form of reasoning behind the >>> assumption is the belief that if it works for A then it must work for B. >>> I have seen such assumptions being made, even where A and B bear no >>> resemblance to each other. >>> >>> The problem with assumptions is that they may or may not be correct. I >>> have however seen too many such assumptions taken for gospel. Under >>> such circumstances, assumption is likely to lead to disaster. Put >>> another way, "Assumption is the mother of all fsck-ups." >>> >>> If development is made on the basis that the platform could be changed, >>> it opens up access to a number of different tools for testing. It also >>> forces the developers to use the OS abstraction layer that has been >>> chosen and in turn stops the developers from using OS specific hacks. If >>> the chosen OS turns out to be usable, then the application is also >>> likely to survive updates. If the OS turns out not to be suitable, then >>> it can be changed. This is good engineering and a key to good project >>> management. >>> >>> I know that all the wintrolls in this group are poo-pooing this posting, >>> as it does not agree with the evangelical training they have received >>> from Redmond. It is however the best way to stop from painting oneself >>> into a technological corner. >> >> The two responders to your posts are swine. Plonkworthy. > > Yet he's posting here about MCSE etc? Maybe you could call us "cunts" > and "fuckheads" again you simpering little weenie. Or maybe show us with > assembler how Peter's crap code was really world class? Or maybe lick > Hilliard's arse about his claims that he designs, implements and tests > world class SW before deciding what platform it sell it on? Ahlstrom : > you're a twit. Out and out twit. Ahlstrom has no self worth and certainly no spine. He is a follower not a leader. He will suck up to the herd no matter how bizarre or incorrect the herd might be. A pretty sad person this Chris Ahlstrom is.
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| From | Silver Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> |
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| Date | 2014-04-24 12:38 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <ljbeln$pb8$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #240000 |
On 2014-04-24 12:04 PM, flatfish+++ wrote: > On Thu, 24 Apr 2014 17:43:10 +0200, Hadron wrote: > >> Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> writes: >> >>> Ian Hilliard wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties: >>> >>>> On 24/04/14 13:20, Hadron wrote: >>>>> DFS <nospam@dfs.com> writes: >>>>> >>>>> <moronic drivel snipped> >>>> >>>> I love how you Microsoft True Believers love to display your ignorance >>>> in public. In the world of true software engineering, platform is not a >>>> requirement. It is a dependent variable. People, who make the mistake of >>>> making it a requirement often fall all over the results of their >>>> decision, when their chosen platform cannot do what is required. A >>>> common form of this is the need to do some hack in Windows using an >>>> undocumented interface, because the OS was actually the wrong choice for >>>> the task. Then suddenly, surprise surprise, the next set of patches from >>>> Microsoft breaks things. This is because the developers shouldn't have >>>> been using those undocumented interfaces anyway. >>>> >>>> This also goes back to proper decision making methodology. A decision >>>> should be made using the best available information. The problem is that >>>> often some critical pieces of information are simply not available. This >>>> is where assumptions come in to play. People make logical assumptions >>>> often based on experience. A common form of reasoning behind the >>>> assumption is the belief that if it works for A then it must work for B. >>>> I have seen such assumptions being made, even where A and B bear no >>>> resemblance to each other. >>>> >>>> The problem with assumptions is that they may or may not be correct. I >>>> have however seen too many such assumptions taken for gospel. Under >>>> such circumstances, assumption is likely to lead to disaster. Put >>>> another way, "Assumption is the mother of all fsck-ups." >>>> >>>> If development is made on the basis that the platform could be changed, >>>> it opens up access to a number of different tools for testing. It also >>>> forces the developers to use the OS abstraction layer that has been >>>> chosen and in turn stops the developers from using OS specific hacks. If >>>> the chosen OS turns out to be usable, then the application is also >>>> likely to survive updates. If the OS turns out not to be suitable, then >>>> it can be changed. This is good engineering and a key to good project >>>> management. >>>> >>>> I know that all the wintrolls in this group are poo-pooing this posting, >>>> as it does not agree with the evangelical training they have received >>>> from Redmond. It is however the best way to stop from painting oneself >>>> into a technological corner. >>> >>> The two responders to your posts are swine. Plonkworthy. >> >> Yet he's posting here about MCSE etc? Maybe you could call us "cunts" >> and "fuckheads" again you simpering little weenie. Or maybe show us with >> assembler how Peter's crap code was really world class? Or maybe lick >> Hilliard's arse about his claims that he designs, implements and tests >> world class SW before deciding what platform it sell it on? Ahlstrom : >> you're a twit. Out and out twit. > > Ahlstrom has no self worth and certainly no spine. He is a follower > not a leader. He will suck up to the herd no matter how bizarre or > incorrect the herd might be. > > A pretty sad person this Chris Ahlstrom is. He's a cancer. Cancers generally have no mind of their own and tend to have emotional troubles throughout their life. He's in excellent company with Mike Tyson and OJ Simpson. -- Silver Slimer Wikipedia & OpenMedia Supporter
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| From | chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2014-04-24 10:42 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <7obil9t44gou3d5k77l5lgjrfhq9195uk1@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #239987 |
Ian Hilliard wrote: > On 24/04/14 13:20, Hadron wrote: >> DFS <nospam@dfs.com> writes: > >I love how you Microsoft True Believers love to display your ignorance >in public. In the world of true software engineering, platform is not a >requirement. You're going to talk of "engineering" to those two shitwits, as if they could understand, even if they wanted-to? They *live* to childishly needle those who more intelligent and better-educated than they are. You can be 100% correct, able to *prove* it, and *still* be ridiculed. Perhaps "Hadron" will do you the honor of putting your 100% correct statements in his sig, like he has done with mine. Yes, that's the best that they can do against me (that, and point-out that I curse a lot). -- "It's the presence of negative feedback that maintains the stability." - trolling fsckwit "Ezekiel", putting his ignorance on display
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| From | DFS <nospam@dfs.com> |
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| Date | 2014-04-24 22:26 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <ljch3q$m9t$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #239996 |
On 04/24/2014 11:42 AM, chrisv wrote: > Ian Hilliard wrote: > >> On 24/04/14 13:20, Hadron wrote: >>> DFS <nospam@dfs.com> writes: >> >> I love how you Microsoft True Believers love to display your ignorance >> in public. In the world of true software engineering, platform is not a >> requirement. > > You're going to talk of "engineering" to those two shitwits, as if > they could understand, even if they wanted-to? They *live* to > childishly needle those who more intelligent and better-educated than > they are. > > You can be 100% correct, able to *prove* it, and *still* be ridiculed. Only if you continue to say stupid things... like you and Creepy++ and the other "advocates" constantly do. For instance, you recently said: "It makes sense because, what, 1 percent of the world's computers, basically one type of machine, are using NTFS?" heh! What an innumerate idiot. And the other day Creepy++ mewled: "Apparently the fool thinks Windows is "the standard" OS." cola "advocates": sure we're stupid, but we're stupid in our own newsgroup > Perhaps "Hadron" will do you the honor of putting your 100% correct > statements in his sig, like he has done with mine. > > Yes, that's the best that they can do against me (that, and point-out > that I curse a lot). I knew when I pointed it out you'd slow down, but could you get back to the old red-faced frothing and cursing you specialized in for so long? It's kind of amusing.
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| From | Hadron<hadronquark@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2014-04-25 14:00 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <87tx9h4o1a.fsf@gmail.com> |
| In reply to | #239987 |
Ian Hilliard <nospam@nospam.org> writes: > On 24/04/14 13:20, Hadron wrote: >> DFS <nospam@dfs.com> writes: >> >>> On 04/23/2014 10:22 AM, Ian Hilliard wrote: >>>> It appears that some people have too much time on their hands. I guess >>>> that unemployment is a bitch. So, here is a very useful link, which >>>> should help them to become useful members of society. >>>> >>>> http://opensource.com/business/14/4/open-source-job-skills?sc_cid=70160000000cVxvAAE&elq=7dd4d12255494fd8bd1b3ae1c8adf9a8&elqCampaignId=19318 >>>> >>>> >>>> Ian >>> >>> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 >>> Thunderbird/24.4.0 >>> >>> It's MCSE. And I see you're not posting from your Windows job. >>> >>> Good one, Bighead! >>> >>> "All the code that my teams produce is tested on a number of different >>> platforms, using a number of different tools, on a number of different >>> processors to detect any errors. The actual end platform is then >>> selected based on a series of tests." >>> >>> LMAO! >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> Yup. The "legend" actually pics the deployment platform AFTER design, >> implementation, testing and, probably, user acceptance tests. What an >> idiot Hilliard is. >> > > I love how you Microsoft True Believers love to display your ignorance in > public. In the world of true software engineering, platform is not a > requirement. It is a dependent variable. Total and utter fucking nonsense for so many reasons I wont go into it. It might be so for your dancing penguin applet. Yes, yes languages like Java and the platform independent UIs like Swing etc do make real cross platform a sometimes viable offing however generally you are then programming to the lowest common denominator BEFORE we even start to talk about user training, infrastructure and support. Someone would have to be asshole of the highest order, and that would be you Hilliard, to design, implement and test only on Linux, for example, when your target is... not surprisingly, the Windows desktop. And I can assure you that users do NOT like generic kludgy swing type UIs. They want something responsive and native. You really are a fuckwit. next thing : I dont believe in MS. I use Debian.
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| From | Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> |
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| Date | 2014-04-25 14:41 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <ljdl5l$ftq$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #240077 |
Hadron wrote: >> >> I love how you Microsoft True Believers love to display your ignorance in >> public. In the world of true software engineering, platform is not a >> requirement. It is a dependent variable. > > Total and utter fucking nonsense for so many reasons I wont go into > it. "Many reasons" you can't name, Hadron Snit Msg-ID Larry. Not one > It might be so for your dancing penguin applet. Idiot > Yes, yes languages like Java and the platform independent UIs like Swing > etc do make real cross platform a sometimes viable offing however > generally you are then programming to the lowest common denominator > BEFORE we even start to talk about user training, infrastructure and > support. Bullshit As usual you display your complete incompetence. You know absolutely nothing about crossplatform
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| From | chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2014-04-25 07:55 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <iemkl9ls81s1i2pjqgrku4tg06innal8b1@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #240081 |
> Hadron quacked: >> >> Total and utter fucking nonsense for so many reasons I wont go into >> it. Once again the clueless lightweight "Hadron" is 100% correct, while the professional's position is "total and utter nonsense". Sheesh. What a loser. What a shit-brained asshole. "Ezekiel" likes him, though. -- "Witness TomB recently making a right tool of himself by claiming aptitude and apt-get used exactly the same back end when I warned against mixing them up." - "Hadron", lying shamelessly to attack, after getting spanked in the debate (TomB actually wrote that aptitude is a front-end to APT.)
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| From | Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> |
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| Date | 2014-04-25 09:25 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <ljdnoc$u6l$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #240083 |
chrisv wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties: >> Hadron quacked: >>> >>> Total and utter fucking nonsense for so many reasons I wont go into >>> it. > > Once again the clueless lightweight "Hadron" is 100% correct, while > the professional's position is "total and utter nonsense". > > Sheesh. What a loser. What a shit-brained asshole. > > "Ezekiel" likes him, though. > > -- > "Witness TomB recently making a right tool of himself by claiming > aptitude and apt-get used exactly the same back end when I warned > against mixing them up." - "Hadron", lying shamelessly to attack, > after getting spanked in the debate (TomB actually wrote that aptitude > is a front-end to APT.) Aptitude may be a front end, but "Hadron" is a rear end. -- Moderation is a fatal thing. Nothing succeeds like excess. -- Oscar Wilde
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| From | chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2014-04-25 08:40 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <f0pkl91pogidnbl2nrp64ujcffkntjjvc0@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #240088 |
Chris Ahlstrom wrote: >> -- >> "Witness TomB recently making a right tool of himself by claiming >> aptitude and apt-get used exactly the same back end when I warned >> against mixing them up." - "Hadron", lying shamelessly to attack, >> after getting spanked in the debate (TomB actually wrote that aptitude >> is a front-end to APT.) > >Aptitude may be a front end, but "Hadron" is a rear end. The sphincter part, anyway. -- 'in COLA Linux moving from 0.6% to 0.9% is "Microsoft being steamrollered by Linux". Strange how the colatards see numbers.' - "True Linux advocate" Hadron Quark. Strange how Wintrolls must *lie* to attack the advocates.
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| From | flatfish+++ <phlatphish@yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2014-04-25 09:55 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <11nn75ocapdly$.1p7fu9nwaljso$.dlg@40tude.net> |
| In reply to | #240089 |
On Fri, 25 Apr 2014 08:40:00 -0500, chrisv wrote: > Chris Ahlstrom wrote: > >>> -- >>> "Witness TomB recently making a right tool of himself by claiming >>> aptitude and apt-get used exactly the same back end when I warned >>> against mixing them up." - "Hadron", lying shamelessly to attack, >>> after getting spanked in the debate (TomB actually wrote that aptitude >>> is a front-end to APT.) >> >>Aptitude may be a front end, but "Hadron" is a rear end. > > The sphincter part, anyway. And chrisv wonders why he is known in COLA as turd.
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| From | Hadron<hadronquark@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2014-04-25 16:03 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <87ha5h4icf.fsf@gmail.com> |
| In reply to | #240090 |
flatfish+++ <phlatphish@yahoo.com> writes: > On Fri, 25 Apr 2014 08:40:00 -0500, chrisv wrote: > >> Chris Ahlstrom wrote: >> >>>> -- >>>> "Witness TomB recently making a right tool of himself by claiming >>>> aptitude and apt-get used exactly the same back end when I warned >>>> against mixing them up." - "Hadron", lying shamelessly to attack, >>>> after getting spanked in the debate (TomB actually wrote that aptitude >>>> is a front-end to APT.) >>> >>>Aptitude may be a front end, but "Hadron" is a rear end. >> >> The sphincter part, anyway. > > And chrisv wonders why he is known in COLA as turd. Possibly that was a mis reading on my part but what I said was indeed correct - regardless of whether my reading of tomB was or not. I dont mind admitting slips. Of more importance though was using the different tools for your repo management : it hosed my system twice. I provided links to prove it too. Not often BUT the different tools DO do dependency management differently and mixing them up CAN and HAS led to some horrific f-ups. -- "I have a BSEE.... Negative feedback has many benefits, but "maintaining stability" is not one of them. Just the opposite, in fact." The turdv/chrisv idiot and his pretend BSEE degree. PLEASE VISIT OUR HALL OF LINUX IDIOTS http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/
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