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  OT:  My work book collection chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-10-18 09:46 -0500
    Re: OT:  My work book collection Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-10-18 08:13 -0700
      Re: OT:  My work book collection Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-10-18 10:18 -0700
    Re: OT:  My work book collection -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2018-10-18 08:17 -0700
      Re: OT:  My work book collection Torquemada <whocares@whocares.org> - 2018-10-18 11:27 -0400
        Re: OT:  My work book collection chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-10-18 11:27 -0500
          Re: OT:  My work book collection Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-10-18 09:47 -0700
        Re: OT:  My work book collection Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-10-18 10:02 -0700
      Re: OT:  My work book collection Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-10-18 08:44 -0700
      Re: OT:  My work book collection Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-10-18 09:42 -0700
      Re: OT:  My work book collection chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-10-18 13:06 -0500
        Re: OT:  My work book collection Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-10-18 13:40 -0700
        Re: OT:  My work book collection -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2018-10-18 15:00 -0700
          Re: OT:  My work book collection owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-10-18 23:24 +0000
            Re: OT:  My work book collection Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-10-18 17:04 -0700
            Re: OT:  My work book collection Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-10-18 19:40 -0700
            Re: OT:  My work book collection chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-10-19 07:19 -0500
            Re: OT: My work book collection DFS <nospam@nospam.com> - 2018-10-19 16:11 -0400
              Re: OT: My work book collection Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-10-19 13:35 -0700
              Re: OT: My work book collection owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-10-20 02:32 +0000
                Re: OT: My work book collection Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-10-19 20:05 -0700
                Re: OT: My work book collection Hadron Quark <hadronquark@gmail.com> - 2018-10-20 13:17 +0200
                  Re: OT: My work book collection DFS <nospam@nospam.com> - 2018-10-20 09:55 -0400
                    Re: OT: My work book collection owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-10-20 15:14 +0000
                      Re: OT: My work book collection Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-10-20 08:33 -0700
                  Re: OT: My work book collection owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-10-20 15:21 +0000
                    Re: OT: My work book collection Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-10-20 08:48 -0700
                Re: OT: My work book collection Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-10-20 05:56 -0700
                Re: OT: My work book collection DFS <nospam@nospam.com> - 2018-10-20 09:53 -0400
                  Re: OT: My work book collection owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-10-20 14:29 +0000
                  Re: OT: My work book collection Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-10-20 07:30 -0700
                    Re: OT: My work book collection Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-10-20 09:51 -0700
                      Re: OT: My work book collection Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-10-20 19:29 -0700
          Re: OT:  My work book collection Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-10-18 18:07 -0700
            Re: OT:  My work book collection Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-10-19 06:02 -0700
          Re: OT:  My work book collection chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-10-19 07:15 -0500
            Re: OT:  My work book collection Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-10-19 05:31 -0700
            chrisv is right:  I can stop spanking him after he surrendered  (pwned: OT:  My work book collection) -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2018-10-19 05:45 -0700
              Re: chrisv is right:  I can stop spanking him after he surrendered (pwned: OT:  My work book collection) chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-10-19 07:52 -0500
                Re: chrisv is right:  I can stop spanking him after he surrendered (pwned: OT:  My work book collection) -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2018-10-19 13:03 -0700
                  Re: chrisv is right:  I can stop spanking him after he surrendered (pwned: OT:  My work book collection) Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-10-19 13:19 -0700
      I prefer Lyndia.com video courses myself.  Could be because Moi has a brain? Simon bar Sinister <john.h.gohde@gmail.com> - 2018-10-19 06:20 -0700
        Re: I prefer Lyndia.com video courses myself.  Could be because Moi has a brain? Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-10-19 06:33 -0700
    Re: OT:  My work book collection "F. Russell" <fr@random.info> - 2018-10-18 18:52 +0000
      Re: OT:  My work book collection Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-10-18 12:16 -0700
      Re: OT:  My work book collection chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-10-19 07:46 -0500
        Re: OT:  My work book collection Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-10-19 06:18 -0700
        Re: OT:  My work book collection Hadron Quark <hadronquark@gmail.com> - 2018-10-19 15:59 +0200
          Re: OT:  My work book collection owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-10-19 15:08 +0000
            Re: OT:  My work book collection chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-10-19 11:15 -0500
              Re: OT:  My work book collection Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-10-19 09:56 -0700
              Re: OT:  My work book collection Hadron Quark <hadronquark@gmail.com> - 2018-10-19 19:10 +0200
                Re: OT:  My work book collection chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-10-19 12:41 -0500
                  Re: OT:  My work book collection Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2018-10-19 15:13 -0400
          Re: OT:  My work book collection Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-10-19 09:14 -0700
            Re: OT: My work book collection SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-10-19 12:48 -0400
              Re: OT: My work book collection Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-10-19 10:02 -0700
            Re: OT:  My work book collection Hadron Quark <hadronquark@gmail.com> - 2018-10-19 19:09 +0200
              Re: OT:  My work book collection Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-10-19 10:29 -0700
                Re: OT:  My work book collection Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-10-19 10:58 -0700
    rotate the picture you F* T*! Simon bar Sinister <john.h.gohde@gmail.com> - 2018-10-19 06:16 -0700
      Re: rotate the picture you F* T*! chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-10-19 08:31 -0500
        Re: rotate the picture you F* T*! Hadron Quark <hadronquark@gmail.com> - 2018-10-19 15:52 +0200
        Re: rotate the picture you F* T*! Torquemada <whocares@whocares.org> - 2018-10-19 12:25 -0400
        Re: rotate the picture you F* T*! Tattoo Vampire <sitting@this.computer> - 2018-10-21 00:40 +0000
          Re: rotate the picture you F* T*! Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-10-20 18:11 -0700
          Re: rotate the picture you F* T*! Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-10-20 23:09 -0700
    11 views on imgur. Ooooh!  What a big fan base? Simon bar Sinister <john.h.gohde@gmail.com> - 2018-10-19 10:58 -0700
      Re: 11 views on imgur. Ooooh!  What a big fan base? Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-10-19 11:30 -0700

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#472790 — Re: chrisv is right: I can stop spanking him after he surrendered (pwned: OT: My work book collection)

On Friday, October 19, 2018 at 1:03:22 PM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
> On Friday, October 19, 2018 at 8:52:12 AM UTC-4, chrisv wrote:
> > -hh wrote:
> > 
> > > (snipped, unread)
> > 
> > Very funny, -highhorse. 
> 
> But of course, as its a known correlate:
> 
> <https://www.newsweek.com/funny-people-higher-iq-more-intelligent-685585>
> 
> 
> >  But was anyone (with a brain) fooled?
> 
> Oh, there were people fooled alright:
> 
> <https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-6035091/Angry-people-likely-overestimate-intelligence-levels-new-study-finds.html>
> 
> 
> -hh



Klaus Schadenfreude's posts are nothing but a valueless word salad. Can UTF-8 characters be concatenated into a string with a logical connection to the "real" world; that is the question posed recently by those astonished at the endless babbling of "advocates" and neck beard freaks. It was Klaus Schadenfreude who stated that he and his work friends used to commit credit card fraud all the time and it was no big deal. 

--
"You'll notice how quickly he loses interest when everything is about him. He clearly wants the attention"
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#472745 — I prefer Lyndia.com video courses myself. Could be because Moi has a brain?

On Thursday, October 18, 2018 at 11:17:17 AM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
> On Thursday, October 18, 2018 at 10:46:07 AM UTC-4, chrisv wrote:
> > Just for fun, here is a pic of my book collection, at work.  These all
> > survived a recent office-cleaning.  Some of them are occasionally used
> > for reference, but most of them are kept largely for the nostalgia,
> > with maybe the occasional flipping-through, for fun.  If anyone cares,
> > I could discuss why each book (or set of books) has earned a spot on
> > my shelf.
> > 
> > https://imgur.com/a/S9PWaR3
> 
> Oh, how quaint.  How's this as a start?
> 
> <http://www.huntzinger.com/usenet/COLA_0183.jpg>
> <http://www.huntzinger.com/usenet/COLA_0184.jpg>
>  
> > Since I'm posting pics, here is one for -highhorse.
> > 
> > https://imgur.com/uxloACP
> 
> Sneakers ... and SWEAT PANTS at work?  How embarrassing.  
> 
> Oh, and for the boys, noting that standard 12" floor tile,
> it means that the sneaker is only ~10" long.  Now if a shoe
> could add exactly zero length to the foot, that would be 
> evidence of no more than a size 8 foot...
> 
> <https://www.tennis-warehouse.com/LC/shoesizing.html>
> 
> ...but since a shoe always has to be larger than the foot,  
> subtracting off only a half inch for toe clearance & material 
> thicknesses front & back, it means around a size 6.5  
> 
> Similarly, an anthropometric assessment based on the fairly 
> wide distance between lace sides (although this varies by 
> brand) suggests the sneaker is on a 'fat' foot.  Now I ain't 
> never seen a skinny person with fat feet ... have you?  ;-)
> 
> Meantime, chrisv tries to claim that they maintain perfect anonymity.
> Those "V as in Vogel" Germans are quite clever that way  /S  



You too!!!

I prefer Lyndia.com video courses myself.  Could be because Moi has a brain?



> -hh

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#472747 — Re: I prefer Lyndia.com video courses myself. Could be because Moi has a brain?

On Friday, October 19, 2018 at 6:20:06 AM UTC-7, Simon bar Sinister wrote:
> On Thursday, October 18, 2018 at 11:17:17 AM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
> > On Thursday, October 18, 2018 at 10:46:07 AM UTC-4, chrisv wrote:
> > > Just for fun, here is a pic of my book collection, at work.  These all
> > > survived a recent office-cleaning.  Some of them are occasionally used
> > > for reference, but most of them are kept largely for the nostalgia,
> > > with maybe the occasional flipping-through, for fun.  If anyone cares,
> > > I could discuss why each book (or set of books) has earned a spot on
> > > my shelf.
> > > 
> > > https://imgur.com/a/S9PWaR3
> > 
> > Oh, how quaint.  How's this as a start?
> > 
> > <http://www.huntzinger.com/usenet/COLA_0183.jpg>
> > <http://www.huntzinger.com/usenet/COLA_0184.jpg>
> >  
> > > Since I'm posting pics, here is one for -highhorse.
> > > 
> > > https://imgur.com/uxloACP
> > 
> > Sneakers ... and SWEAT PANTS at work?  How embarrassing.  
> > 
> > Oh, and for the boys, noting that standard 12" floor tile,
> > it means that the sneaker is only ~10" long.  Now if a shoe
> > could add exactly zero length to the foot, that would be 
> > evidence of no more than a size 8 foot...
> > 
> > <https://www.tennis-warehouse.com/LC/shoesizing.html>
> > 
> > ...but since a shoe always has to be larger than the foot,  
> > subtracting off only a half inch for toe clearance & material 
> > thicknesses front & back, it means around a size 6.5  
> > 
> > Similarly, an anthropometric assessment based on the fairly 
> > wide distance between lace sides (although this varies by 
> > brand) suggests the sneaker is on a 'fat' foot.  Now I ain't 
> > never seen a skinny person with fat feet ... have you?  ;-)
> > 
> > Meantime, chrisv tries to claim that they maintain perfect anonymity.
> > Those "V as in Vogel" Germans are quite clever that way  /S  
> 
> 
> 
> You too!!!
> 
> I prefer Lyndia.com video courses myself.  Could be because Moi has a brain?
> 
> 
> 
> > -hh



Was that meant to be to me? Your system will crawl while this takes place. And it takes a long time. Chris Ahlstrom asked to be rated according to provable trolling measurements, which Jonas Eklundh accommodated. Having to tolerate the use of C+ would just confuse the general user. Only what Chris Ahlstrom wants matters to Chris Ahlstrom. There is nothing you or I can do to change that. It's a trolling addiction and it is what it is. 

See: I quoted specific examples of Chris Ahlstrom showing off insecurity -- flooding every group I post to, etc. His response: to double down on your lies. 

--
"You'll notice how quickly he loses interest when everything is about him. He clearly wants the attention"
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#472661

On Thu, 18 Oct 2018 09:46:04 -0500, chrisv wrote:

> but most of them are kept largely for the nostalgia,
>

I do not approve of nostalgia.

The past should not be forgotten but the main emphasis
of life and living should be directed toward future progress
and development.

I strongly despise those pathetic fools who preserve the
past as some sort of playground within the present.







> with maybe the occasional flipping-through, for fun.  If anyone cares,
> I could discuss why each book (or set of books) has earned a spot on
> my shelf.
> 
> https://imgur.com/a/S9PWaR3
> 
> Since I'm posting pics, here is one for -highhorse.
> 
> https://imgur.com/uxloACP

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#472664

On Thursday, October 18, 2018 at 12:52:55 PM UTC-6, F. Russell wrote:
> On Thu, 18 Oct 2018 09:46:04 -0500, chrisv wrote:
> 
> > but most of them are kept largely for the nostalgia,
> >
> 
> I do not approve of nostalgia.
> 
> The past should not be forgotten but the main emphasis
> of life and living should be directed toward future progress
> and development.

As long as one recognizes not all attempts at future progress and 
development are better than what they try to replace, For example:
Sampling of musicians playing individual notes to be subsequently
retriggered by a machine  doesn't replace those same musicians
playing multiple notes in a musical fashion.

> I strongly despise those pathetic fools who preserve the
> past as some sort of playground within the present.

And there are those who have an issue with people labeling something 
as "progress" when it really isn't. BTW, you *also* fit into that mold ;)

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#472739

F. Russell wrote:

> chrisv wrote:
>>
>> but most of them are kept largely for the nostalgia,
>
>I do not approve of nostalgia.
>
>The past should not be forgotten but the main emphasis
>of life and living should be directed toward future progress
>and development.

Of course.

>I strongly despise those pathetic fools who preserve the
>past as some sort of playground within the present.

Come on, Fabian.  Even you must occasionally enjoy "fond memories".

In the case of electronics and computers, I'm not alone in thinking
that the older stuff was more interesting, more approachable.

-- 
"Linux developers are held to no standards whatsoever."  -  DumFSck,
lying shamelessly

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#472744

On Friday, October 19, 2018 at 5:47:02 AM UTC-7, chrisv wrote:
> F. Russell wrote:
> 
> > chrisv wrote:
> >>
> >> but most of them are kept largely for the nostalgia,
> >
> >I do not approve of nostalgia.
> >
> >The past should not be forgotten but the main emphasis
> >of life and living should be directed toward future progress
> >and development.
> 
> Of course.
> 
> >I strongly despise those pathetic fools who preserve the
> >past as some sort of playground within the present.
> 
> Come on, Fabian.  Even you must occasionally enjoy "fond memories".
> 
> In the case of electronics and computers, I'm not alone in thinking
> that the older stuff was more interesting, more approachable.
> 
> -- 
> "Linux developers are held to no standards whatsoever."  -  DumFSck,
> lying shamelessly



Lines of text containing quotes you somehow recognize but can not place. 

Chris Ahlstrom's earliest statement stands literal and correct. 

Once Chris Ahlstrom appreciated how convincing Klaus Schadenfreude is at portraying himself as the 'target' he realizes this is not as unbelievable as it was claimed. 

The guy is as popular as a fart in a spacesuit -- and with good reason. "Well, that wasn't hard" said Klaus Schadenfreude's wife. 

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#472750

chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> writes:

> F. Russell wrote:
>
>> chrisv wrote:
>>>
>>> but most of them are kept largely for the nostalgia,
>>
>>I do not approve of nostalgia.
>>
>>The past should not be forgotten but the main emphasis
>>of life and living should be directed toward future progress
>>and development.
>
> Of course.
>
>>I strongly despise those pathetic fools who preserve the
>>past as some sort of playground within the present.
>
> Come on, Fabian.  Even you must occasionally enjoy "fond memories".
>
> In the case of electronics and computers, I'm not alone in thinking
> that the older stuff was more interesting, more approachable.

Not really. It's all relevant. The stuff today is better. A LOT of past
HW you can simulate in SW now. People still pine for solid state though
and who can blame them? It's simply more appealing even if it does sound
the same. We as human prefer things in out past - like a growing child
hangs on to its blanket or soother.

That said when it comes to musical instruments
etc old is invariably not only more expensive but better. I own a
vintage Martin D18. I wont be trading it for a new Yamaha anytime
soon. (Yahama make great guitars btw).

-- 
chrisv alias turdv is a turd

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#472754

Hadron Quark <hadronquark@gmail.com> wrote:
> chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> writes:
> 
>> F. Russell wrote:
>>
>>> chrisv wrote:
>>>>
>>>> but most of them are kept largely for the nostalgia,
>>>
>>>I do not approve of nostalgia.
>>>
>>>The past should not be forgotten but the main emphasis
>>>of life and living should be directed toward future progress
>>>and development.
>>
>> Of course.
>>
>>>I strongly despise those pathetic fools who preserve the
>>>past as some sort of playground within the present.
>>
>> Come on, Fabian.  Even you must occasionally enjoy "fond memories".
>>
>> In the case of electronics and computers, I'm not alone in thinking
>> that the older stuff was more interesting, more approachable.
> 
> Not really. It's all relevant. The stuff today is better. A LOT of past
> HW you can simulate in SW now. People still pine for solid state though
> and who can blame them? It's simply more appealing even if it does sound
> the same. We as human prefer things in out past - like a growing child
> hangs on to its blanket or soother.
> 
> That said when it comes to musical instruments
> etc old is invariably not only more expensive but better. I own a
> vintage Martin D18. I wont be trading it for a new Yamaha anytime
> soon. (Yahama make great guitars btw).
> 

That's true of most product categories.  Manufacturers used to value their
trademarks and compete on quality.  Nowadays too many compete on price,
with similar products from competing manufacturers all made in the same
third-world factories, where different labels are slapped on minutely
differing batches of the same crap.  The value of most trademarks is now
zero to all but a few consumers who still maintain an unrequited legacy
brand loyalty.

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#472759

owl wrote:

>Manufacturers used to value their
>trademarks and compete on quality.  Nowadays too many compete on price,

Well, so many things are considered disposal, these days.  I buy
almost nothing that I don't expect to get ten years out of.  

I have a GE 'fridge that is about 20 years old.  It still works fine,
but I would not mind replacing it with something more efficient.  I
can't bring myself to do it, though, because I'm hearing that, these
days, even major appliances are disposable junk, despite the
stainless-steel exterior and LED lighting.

A friend of mine bought a new 'fridge about a year ago, and, sure
enough, the fancy through-the-door icemaker/dispenser promptly broke.
At least I have ice!

>The value of most trademarks is now zero to all but a few consumers 
>who still maintain an unrequited legacy brand loyalty.

There are still a lot of "brand names" that people tend to trust.
Whether they are actually any better than the "no names" is a
question...

-- 
"Its too little too late as usual. Apple own the market."  -
"Hadron", on Android's chances in the tablet market.

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#472764

On Friday, October 19, 2018 at 9:15:03 AM UTC-7, chrisv wrote:
> owl wrote:
> 
> >Manufacturers used to value their
> >trademarks and compete on quality.  Nowadays too many compete on price,
> 
> Well, so many things are considered disposal, these days.  I buy
> almost nothing that I don't expect to get ten years out of.  
> 
> I have a GE 'fridge that is about 20 years old.  It still works fine,
> but I would not mind replacing it with something more efficient.  I
> can't bring myself to do it, though, because I'm hearing that, these
> days, even major appliances are disposable junk, despite the
> stainless-steel exterior and LED lighting.
> 
> A friend of mine bought a new 'fridge about a year ago, and, sure
> enough, the fancy through-the-door icemaker/dispenser promptly broke.
> At least I have ice!
> 
> >The value of most trademarks is now zero to all but a few consumers 
> >who still maintain an unrequited legacy brand loyalty.
> 
> There are still a lot of "brand names" that people tend to trust.
> Whether they are actually any better than the "no names" is a
> question...
> 
> -- 
> "Its too little too late as usual. Apple own the market."  -
> "Hadron", on Android's chances in the tablet market.



Where did you go to school? Absolute bull by an uninformed, fabricating, manipulative, collaborating court jester who would not tell the truth even if he swore on his mother's grave. 

Everyone is Jonas Eklundh Communication -- the oldest gag in the book. 

I am working on a script which will show off how weak Bash shell is. The text of the post is a bunch of baby sh*t. That points to one person. 

I have known fish who argue better than you do. With no reason at all, as is expected for Jonas Eklundh Communication. 

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#472767

chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> writes:

> owl wrote:
>
>>Manufacturers used to value their
>>trademarks and compete on quality.  Nowadays too many compete on price,
>
> Well, so many things are considered disposal, these days.  I buy
> almost nothing that I don't expect to get ten years out of.  
>

That would explain the whiff turd. I assume if you've been wedgied more
times than Linosuck in a month at work you might dispose of them a
little sooner.


-- 
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#472772

Hadron Quark wrote:

> chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> writes:
>>
>> Well, so many things are considered disposal, these days.  I buy
>> almost nothing that I don't expect to get ten years out of.  
>
>That would explain the whiff turd. I assume if you've been wedgied more
>times than Linosuck in a month at work you might dispose of them a
>little sooner.

Hehe.  Some of us wash our underwear, "Hadron".

-- 
"Until Linux has a REASON for people to dump Windows they won't"  -
"True Linux advocate" Hadron Quark

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#472783

chrisv wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

> Hadron Quark wrote:
>
>> chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> writes:
>>>
>>> Well, so many things are considered disposal, these days.  I buy
>>> almost nothing that I don't expect to get ten years out of.  
>>
>>That would explain the whiff turd. I assume if you've been wedgied more
>>times than Linosuck in a month at work you might dispose of them a
>>little sooner.
>
> Hehe.  Some of us wash our underwear, "Hadron".

LOL

-- 
We should be careful to get out of an experience only the wisdom that is
in it - and stay there, lest we be like the cat that sits down on a hot
stove-lid.  She will never sit down on a hot stove-lid again - and that
is well; but also she will never sit down on a cold one any more.
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#472758

On Friday, October 19, 2018 at 7:59:20 AM UTC-6, Hadron Quark wrote:
> chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> writes:
> 
> > F. Russell wrote:
> >
> >> chrisv wrote:
> >>>
> >>> but most of them are kept largely for the nostalgia,
> >>
> >>I do not approve of nostalgia.
> >>
> >>The past should not be forgotten but the main emphasis
> >>of life and living should be directed toward future progress
> >>and development.
> >
> > Of course.
> >
> >>I strongly despise those pathetic fools who preserve the
> >>past as some sort of playground within the present.
> >
> > Come on, Fabian.  Even you must occasionally enjoy "fond memories".
> >
> > In the case of electronics and computers, I'm not alone in thinking
> > that the older stuff was more interesting, more approachable.
> 
> Not really. It's all relevant. The stuff today is better. A LOT of past
> HW you can simulate in SW now. 

With exceptions... tube based guitar amps being one. They can get close
to the sound, sometimes amazingly close but they never seem to get the 
'touch' aspect down. I'm thinking it's probably not possible or it would've
been done by now. How the sound changes when you turn up the volume
is another thing that's weak on the software. 

That said... awhile back Slimer was saying how he could tell if an MP3 file
was 320kbps or lower so I put up a short clip, actually more done to show
off a guitar patch I'd found in Reaktor (running in Logic). I triggered it with 
this using the MIDI pickup: <https://imgur.com/a/J9J1txo>

I short triggered a note up front but was able to squeeze some stuff outta 
the notes with *no* additional tweaking of data... these things are actually
starting to sound real (I should've found the reverb in the patch and 
backed it off, though): <http://altitudes.x10host.com/reaktor.m4a>

You can clearly hear the coloration changes that occur ~16 seconds in and 
then how that line ends with a sort of a soft, tailing 'growl' to it, like you'd
get on a real instrument. There's a hot note at ~11 sec mark so adjust your
volume to it.

> People still pine for solid state though
> and who can blame them? It's simply more appealing even if it does sound
> the same. We as human prefer things in out past - like a growing child
> hangs on to its blanket or soother.
> 
> That said when it comes to musical instruments
> etc old is invariably not only more expensive but better.

All depends on what it is.

> I own a
> vintage Martin D18. I wont be trading it for a new Yamaha anytime
> soon. (Yahama make great guitars btw).

For certain instruments. like guitar, you get the benefit (in tone) of age
but not everything built 'back then' was necessarily good. There are a
lot of boutique manufacturers now and some of them are building high
quality stuff that plays and sounds better than some of the vintage
stuff (I'm talking acoustic and electric). I had a '69 D28 which, on 
single string stuff didn't sound as good as a friend's pre-war 000-18.
The D-28 killed it on strumming, not just for volume, which you'd 
expect... for the blend of the notes... but the triple *sang* on lead
and finger picking.

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#472763 — Re: OT: My work book collection

On 2018-10-19 12:14 p.m., Steve Carroll wrote:
> On Friday, October 19, 2018 at 7:59:20 AM UTC-6, Hadron Quark wrote:
>> chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> writes:
>>
>>> F. Russell wrote:
>>>
>>>> chrisv wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> but most of them are kept largely for the nostalgia,
>>>>
>>>> I do not approve of nostalgia.
>>>>
>>>> The past should not be forgotten but the main emphasis
>>>> of life and living should be directed toward future progress
>>>> and development.
>>>
>>> Of course.
>>>
>>>> I strongly despise those pathetic fools who preserve the
>>>> past as some sort of playground within the present.
>>>
>>> Come on, Fabian.  Even you must occasionally enjoy "fond memories".
>>>
>>> In the case of electronics and computers, I'm not alone in thinking
>>> that the older stuff was more interesting, more approachable.
>>
>> Not really. It's all relevant. The stuff today is better. A LOT of past
>> HW you can simulate in SW now.
> 
> With exceptions... tube based guitar amps being one. They can get close
> to the sound, sometimes amazingly close but they never seem to get the
> 'touch' aspect down. I'm thinking it's probably not possible or it would've
> been done by now. How the sound changes when you turn up the volume
> is another thing that's weak on the software.
> 
> That said... awhile back Slimer was saying how he could tell if an MP3 file
> was 320kbps or lower so I put up a short clip, actually more done to show
> off a guitar patch I'd found in Reaktor (running in Logic). I triggered it with
> this using the MIDI pickup: <https://imgur.com/a/J9J1txo>
> 
> I short triggered a note up front but was able to squeeze some stuff outta
> the notes with *no* additional tweaking of data... these things are actually
> starting to sound real (I should've found the reverb in the patch and
> backed it off, though): <http://altitudes.x10host.com/reaktor.m4a>
> 
> You can clearly hear the coloration changes that occur ~16 seconds in and
> then how that line ends with a sort of a soft, tailing 'growl' to it, like you'd
> get on a real instrument. There's a hot note at ~11 sec mark so adjust your
> volume to it.

To be clear about my MP3 quality assessment, I can tell if there are 
many instruments playing simultaneously but not so much otherwise. 
192kbps seems pretty good to me across the board regardless of what 
format I use though I can't bring myself to use an AAC, an MP3 or a 
Vorbis file lower than 256kbps.

-- 
SilverSlimer

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#472765 — Re: OT: My work book collection

On Friday, October 19, 2018 at 10:48:29 AM UTC-6, SilverSlimer wrote:
> On 2018-10-19 12:14 p.m., Steve Carroll wrote:
> > On Friday, October 19, 2018 at 7:59:20 AM UTC-6, Hadron Quark wrote:
> >> chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> writes:
> >>
> >>> F. Russell wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> chrisv wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> but most of them are kept largely for the nostalgia,
> >>>>
> >>>> I do not approve of nostalgia.
> >>>>
> >>>> The past should not be forgotten but the main emphasis
> >>>> of life and living should be directed toward future progress
> >>>> and development.
> >>>
> >>> Of course.
> >>>
> >>>> I strongly despise those pathetic fools who preserve the
> >>>> past as some sort of playground within the present.
> >>>
> >>> Come on, Fabian.  Even you must occasionally enjoy "fond memories".
> >>>
> >>> In the case of electronics and computers, I'm not alone in thinking
> >>> that the older stuff was more interesting, more approachable.
> >>
> >> Not really. It's all relevant. The stuff today is better. A LOT of past
> >> HW you can simulate in SW now.
> > 
> > With exceptions... tube based guitar amps being one. They can get close
> > to the sound, sometimes amazingly close but they never seem to get the
> > 'touch' aspect down. I'm thinking it's probably not possible or it would've
> > been done by now. How the sound changes when you turn up the volume
> > is another thing that's weak on the software.
> > 
> > That said... awhile back Slimer was saying how he could tell if an MP3 file
> > was 320kbps or lower so I put up a short clip, actually more done to show
> > off a guitar patch I'd found in Reaktor (running in Logic). I triggered it with
> > this using the MIDI pickup: <https://imgur.com/a/J9J1txo>
> > 
> > I short triggered a note up front but was able to squeeze some stuff outta
> > the notes with *no* additional tweaking of data... these things are actually
> > starting to sound real (I should've found the reverb in the patch and
> > backed it off, though): <http://altitudes.x10host.com/reaktor.m4a>
> > 
> > You can clearly hear the coloration changes that occur ~16 seconds in and
> > then how that line ends with a sort of a soft, tailing 'growl' to it, like you'd
> > get on a real instrument. There's a hot note at ~11 sec mark so adjust your
> > volume to it.
> 
> To be clear about my MP3 quality assessment, I can tell if there are 
> many instruments playing simultaneously but not so much otherwise. 
> 192kbps seems pretty good to me across the board regardless of what 
> format I use though I can't bring myself to use an AAC, an MP3 or a 
> Vorbis file lower than 256kbps.

This file, as posted originally, was a 160kbps MP3 (via Fraunhofer as coming 
out of Logic) and your initial reply was...

"The guitar sounds amazing. Is that a 320kbps MP3 encoded with LAME?"

... and the guitar fooled you, too... 'cuz it's not actually a guitar ;)

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#472766

Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> writes:

> On Friday, October 19, 2018 at 7:59:20 AM UTC-6, Hadron Quark wrote:
>> chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> writes:
>> 
>> > F. Russell wrote:
>> >
>> >> chrisv wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> but most of them are kept largely for the nostalgia,
>> >>
>> >>I do not approve of nostalgia.
>> >>
>> >>The past should not be forgotten but the main emphasis
>> >>of life and living should be directed toward future progress
>> >>and development.
>> >
>> > Of course.
>> >
>> >>I strongly despise those pathetic fools who preserve the
>> >>past as some sort of playground within the present.
>> >
>> > Come on, Fabian.  Even you must occasionally enjoy "fond memories".
>> >
>> > In the case of electronics and computers, I'm not alone in thinking
>> > that the older stuff was more interesting, more approachable.
>> 
>> Not really. It's all relevant. The stuff today is better. A LOT of past
>> HW you can simulate in SW now. 
>
> With exceptions... tube based guitar amps being one. They can get close
> to the sound, sometimes amazingly close but they never seem to get the 
> 'touch' aspect down. I'm thinking it's probably not possible or it would've
> been done by now. How the sound changes when you turn up the volume
> is another thing that's weak on the software. 
>

I know what you mean, and having a real degree in EE I know the
physics. That said I can tell you almost NOONE would tell the difference
if the simulation code/DSP is properly done. People do talk some shit
when it comes to this stuff. I don't blame them. Nostalgia is good. Tube
amps are simply class.

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#472770

On Friday, October 19, 2018 at 11:09:37 AM UTC-6, Hadron Quark wrote:
> Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> writes:
> 
> > On Friday, October 19, 2018 at 7:59:20 AM UTC-6, Hadron Quark wrote:
> >> chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> writes:
> >> 
> >> > F. Russell wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> chrisv wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>> but most of them are kept largely for the nostalgia,
> >> >>
> >> >>I do not approve of nostalgia.
> >> >>
> >> >>The past should not be forgotten but the main emphasis
> >> >>of life and living should be directed toward future progress
> >> >>and development.
> >> >
> >> > Of course.
> >> >
> >> >>I strongly despise those pathetic fools who preserve the
> >> >>past as some sort of playground within the present.
> >> >
> >> > Come on, Fabian.  Even you must occasionally enjoy "fond memories".
> >> >
> >> > In the case of electronics and computers, I'm not alone in thinking
> >> > that the older stuff was more interesting, more approachable.
> >> 
> >> Not really. It's all relevant. The stuff today is better. A LOT of past
> >> HW you can simulate in SW now. 
> >
> > With exceptions... tube based guitar amps being one. They can get close
> > to the sound, sometimes amazingly close but they never seem to get the 
> > 'touch' aspect down. I'm thinking it's probably not possible or it would've
> > been done by now. How the sound changes when you turn up the volume
> > is another thing that's weak on the software. 
> >
> 
> I know what you mean, and having a real degree in EE I know the
> physics. That said I can tell you almost NOONE would tell the difference
> if the simulation code/DSP is properly done.

I'd say it's more the lack of dynamic control (it's just not there the same 
way) than it is the *overall* tone; nuances in your playing still get lost.

> People do talk some shit
> when it comes to this stuff. I don't blame them. Nostalgia is good. Tube
> amps are simply class.

I have an old black face Princeton Reverb that I **stupidly** had 'boogied' 
when I found out that's what Santana was having Randall Smith do to his 
amps. I could kick myself... that amp sound *so* good before I did that. I 
should really get that reversed but I gotta find someone I trust.

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#472774

On Friday, October 19, 2018 at 10:29:08 AM UTC-7, Steve Carroll wrote:
> On Friday, October 19, 2018 at 11:09:37 AM UTC-6, Hadron Quark wrote:
> > Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> writes:
> > 
> > > On Friday, October 19, 2018 at 7:59:20 AM UTC-6, Hadron Quark wrote:
> > >> chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> writes:
> > >> 
> > >> > F. Russell wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> >> chrisv wrote:
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> but most of them are kept largely for the nostalgia,
> > >> >>
> > >> >>I do not approve of nostalgia.
> > >> >>
> > >> >>The past should not be forgotten but the main emphasis
> > >> >>of life and living should be directed toward future progress
> > >> >>and development.
> > >> >
> > >> > Of course.
> > >> >
> > >> >>I strongly despise those pathetic fools who preserve the
> > >> >>past as some sort of playground within the present.
> > >> >
> > >> > Come on, Fabian.  Even you must occasionally enjoy "fond memories".
> > >> >
> > >> > In the case of electronics and computers, I'm not alone in thinking
> > >> > that the older stuff was more interesting, more approachable.
> > >> 
> > >> Not really. It's all relevant. The stuff today is better. A LOT of past
> > >> HW you can simulate in SW now. 
> > >
> > > With exceptions... tube based guitar amps being one. They can get close
> > > to the sound, sometimes amazingly close but they never seem to get the 
> > > 'touch' aspect down. I'm thinking it's probably not possible or it would've
> > > been done by now. How the sound changes when you turn up the volume
> > > is another thing that's weak on the software. 
> > >
> > 
> > I know what you mean, and having a real degree in EE I know the
> > physics. That said I can tell you almost NOONE would tell the difference
> > if the simulation code/DSP is properly done.
> 
> I'd say it's more the lack of dynamic control (it's just not there the same 
> way) than it is the *overall* tone; nuances in your playing still get lost.
> 
> > People do talk some shit
> > when it comes to this stuff. I don't blame them. Nostalgia is good. Tube
> > amps are simply class.
> 
> I have an old black face Princeton Reverb that I **stupidly** had 'boogied' 
> when I found out that's what Santana was having Randall Smith do to his 
> amps. I could kick myself... that amp sound *so* good before I did that. I 
> should really get that reversed but I gotta find someone I trust.



I will not ask Klaus 'Super Troll' Schadenfreude how any part of DFS's body tastes no matter how regularly Klaus 'Super Troll' Schadenfreude kisses it. 

Show an example of an effective job creator that has gained its wealth by not focusing on its clients or services. 

I can not accept that. Denseness is denseness and there are unlimited fools who are in agreement with it. Many are even programmers.

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