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No one wants Surface tablets

Started byTattoo Vampire <sitting@this.computer>
First post2014-05-02 11:06 +0000
Last post2014-05-08 14:54 +0200
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  No one wants Surface tablets Tattoo Vampire <sitting@this.computer> - 2014-05-02 11:06 +0000
    Re: No one wants Surface tablets Sinister Midget <fardblossom@gmail.com> - 2014-05-02 11:36 +0000
    Re: No one wants Linux. 	flatfish+++ <phlatphish@yahoo.com> - 2014-05-02 07:44 -0400
      Re: No one wants Linux. DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2014-05-02 13:16 -0400
        Re: No one wants Linux. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-05-02 10:37 -0700
          Re: No one wants Linux. Steve Carroll <fretwizzen@gmail.com> - 2014-05-02 11:24 -0700
      Re: No one wants Linux. Tattoo Vampire <sitting@this.computer> - 2014-05-03 02:33 +0000
        Re: No one wants Linux. William Poaster <wp@induh-vidual.net> - 2014-05-03 10:08 +0100
        Re: No one wants Linux. Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2014-05-03 07:25 -0400
          Re: No one wants Linux. Lloyd  E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2014-05-03 07:09 -0500
            Re: No one wants Linux. 	flatfish+++ <phlatphish@yahoo.com> - 2014-05-03 08:59 -0400
              Re: No one wants Linux. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-05-03 12:57 -0700
                Re: No one wants Linux. Steve Carroll <fretwizzen@gmail.com> - 2014-05-03 13:54 -0700
                Re: No one wants Linux. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2014-05-03 14:31 -0700
                  Re: No one wants Linux. Steve Carroll <fretwizzen@gmail.com> - 2014-05-03 16:58 -0700
            Re: No one wants Linux. Steve Carroll <fretwizzen@gmail.com> - 2014-05-03 08:58 -0700
            No one wants Surface Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2014-05-03 12:46 -0400
              Re: No one wants Surface 	flatfish+++ <phlatphish@yahoo.com> - 2014-05-03 12:48 -0400
                Re: No one wants Surface Steve Carroll <fretwizzen@gmail.com> - 2014-05-03 12:42 -0700
            Re: No one wants Linux. chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2014-05-06 07:16 -0500
              Re: No one wants Linux. Lloyd  E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2014-05-06 07:32 -0500
                Re: No one wants Linux. Lloyd  E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2014-05-06 07:46 -0500
                Re: No one wants Linux. chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2014-05-06 09:12 -0500
                  Re: No one wants Linux. William Poaster <wp@induh-vidual.net> - 2014-05-06 15:29 +0100
                    Re: No one wants Linux. 	flatfish+++ <phlatphish@yahoo.com> - 2014-05-06 10:57 -0400
                    Re: No one wants Linux. Lloyd  E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2014-05-06 12:32 -0500
                  Re: No one wants Linux. Lloyd  E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2014-05-06 12:30 -0500
                    Re: No one wants Linux. chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2014-05-06 12:36 -0500
                      Re: No one wants Linux. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-05-06 10:53 -0700
                      Re: No one wants Linux. Lloyd  E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2014-05-06 13:07 -0500
                      Re: No one wants Linux. Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2014-05-06 21:14 -0400
                        Re: No one wants Linux. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-05-06 18:34 -0700
                  Re: No one wants Linux. DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2014-05-06 15:38 -0400
                Re: No one wants Linux. JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> - 2014-05-06 12:38 -0500
                  Re: No one wants Linux. Lloyd  E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2014-05-06 13:11 -0500
                    Re: No one wants Linux. JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> - 2014-05-06 13:41 -0500
                      Re: No one wants Linux. chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2014-05-06 14:06 -0500
                        Re: No one wants Linux. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-05-06 12:14 -0700
                  Re: No one wants Linux. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-05-06 11:20 -0700
          Re: No one wants Linux. 	flatfish+++ <phlatphish@yahoo.com> - 2014-05-03 08:56 -0400
          Re: No one wants Linux. chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2014-05-06 06:55 -0500
            Re: No one wants Linux. 	flatfish+++ <phlatphish@yahoo.com> - 2014-05-06 08:11 -0400
              Re: No one wants Linux. Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2014-05-06 14:26 +0200
                Re: No one wants Linux. Lloyd  E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2014-05-06 07:44 -0500
                  Re: No one wants Linux. chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2014-05-06 08:04 -0500
                    Re: No one wants Linux. "Cola Zealot" <Cola_Zealot@fuckoff.com> - 2014-05-06 17:00 +0200
                    Re: No one wants Linux. Lloyd  E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2014-05-06 12:44 -0500
                      Re: No one wants Linux. Silver Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2014-05-06 13:58 -0400
                        Re: No one wants Linux. Lloyd  E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2014-05-06 13:09 -0500
                          Re: No one wants Linux. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-05-06 11:17 -0700
                          Re: No one wants Linux. JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> - 2014-05-06 13:40 -0500
                            Re: No one wants Linux. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-05-06 12:13 -0700
                          Re: No one wants Linux. Silver Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2014-05-06 17:23 -0400
                        Re: No one wants Linux. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-05-06 11:16 -0700
                      Re: No one wants Linux. JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> - 2014-05-06 13:03 -0500
                        Re: No one wants Linux. Lloyd  E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2014-05-06 13:16 -0500
                          Re: No one wants Linux. chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2014-05-06 13:22 -0500
                          Re: No one wants Linux. JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> - 2014-05-06 13:46 -0500
                            Re: No one wants Linux. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-05-06 12:08 -0700
                        Re: No one wants Linux. DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2014-05-06 17:44 -0400
                          Re: No one wants Linux. Steve Carroll <fretwizzen@gmail.com> - 2014-05-07 12:56 -0700
                      Re: No one wants Linux. chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2014-05-06 13:10 -0500
                        Re: No one wants Linux. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-05-06 11:34 -0700
                        Re: No one wants Linux. Steve Carroll <fretwizzen@gmail.com> - 2014-05-06 13:40 -0700
                      Many want Linux. Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2014-05-06 21:10 -0400
                        Re: Many want Linux. 	flatfish+++ <phlatphish@yahoo.com> - 2014-05-06 21:13 -0400
                          Re: Many want Linux. Silver Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2014-05-06 21:33 -0400
                        Re: Many want Linux. Silver Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2014-05-06 21:30 -0400
                          Re: Many want Linux. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-05-06 19:25 -0700
                        Re: Many want Linux. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-05-06 18:36 -0700
                        Re: Many want Linux. DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2014-05-06 23:40 -0400
                    Re: No one wants Linux. JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> - 2014-05-06 12:43 -0500
                      Re: No one wants Linux. Lloyd  E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2014-05-06 13:14 -0500
                        Re: No one wants Linux. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-05-06 11:33 -0700
                        Re: No one wants Linux. JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> - 2014-05-06 13:44 -0500
                          Re: No one wants Linux. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-05-06 12:09 -0700
                  Re: No one wants Linux. JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> - 2014-05-06 12:41 -0500
                    Re: No one wants Linux. Lloyd  E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2014-05-06 13:13 -0500
                      Re: No one wants Linux. chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2014-05-06 13:25 -0500
                      Re: No one wants Linux. JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> - 2014-05-06 13:42 -0500
                        Re: No one wants Linux. chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2014-05-06 14:49 -0500
                          Re: No one wants Linux. 	flatfish+++ <phlatphish@yahoo.com> - 2014-05-06 15:55 -0400
                            Re: No one wants Linux. Steve Carroll <fretwizzen@gmail.com> - 2014-05-06 13:51 -0700
                            Re: No one wants Linux. Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2014-05-07 01:21 +0200
                              Re: No one wants Linux. 	flatfish+++ <phlatphish@yahoo.com> - 2014-05-06 20:33 -0400
                                Re: No one wants Linux. Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2014-05-07 03:01 +0200
                                  Re: No one wants Linux. 	flatfish+++ <phlatphish@yahoo.com> - 2014-05-06 21:09 -0400
                                  Re: No one wants Linux. William Poaster <wp@induh-vidual.net> - 2014-05-07 10:22 +0100
                                    Re: No one wants Linux. chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2014-05-07 06:47 -0500
                                      Re: No one wants Linux. William Poaster <wp@induh-vidual.net> - 2014-05-07 13:20 +0100
                                        Re: No one wants Linux. Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2014-05-07 14:38 +0200
                                          Re: No one wants Linux. chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2014-05-07 07:54 -0500
                                            Re: No one wants Linux. William Poaster <wp@induh-vidual.net> - 2014-05-07 22:52 +0100
                                              Re: No one wants Linux. chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2014-05-08 06:58 -0500
                                          Re: No one wants Linux. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-05-07 08:24 -0700
                                      Re: No one wants Linux. DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2014-05-07 10:16 -0400
                                      Re: No one wants Linux. Hadron<hadronquark@gmail.com> - 2014-05-07 19:01 +0200
                                    Re: No one wants Linux. tinus61 <tinus61@nospam.invalid> - 2014-05-08 01:18 +0200
                                      Re: No one wants Linux. GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2014-05-07 18:18 -0600
                                      Re: No one wants Linux. William Poaster <wp@induh-vidual.net> - 2014-05-08 09:01 +0100
                                      Re: No one wants Linux. DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2014-05-12 14:00 -0400
                                        Re: No one wants Linux. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2014-05-12 11:16 -0700
                                        Re: No one wants Linux. Hadron<hadronquark@gmail.com> - 2014-05-12 20:17 +0200
                                      Re: No one wants Linux. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2014-05-12 11:33 -0700
                                Re: No one wants Linux. Silver Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2014-05-06 21:21 -0400
                                  Re: No one wants Linux. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-05-06 18:34 -0700
                                  Re: No one wants Linux. 	flatfish+++ <phlatphish@yahoo.com> - 2014-05-06 21:50 -0400
                                    Re: No one wants Linux. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-05-06 19:21 -0700
                                    Re: No one wants Linux. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2014-05-06 21:04 -0700
                                Re: No one wants Linux. GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2014-05-06 20:51 -0600
                                  Re: No one wants Linux. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-05-06 20:23 -0700
                    Re: No one wants Linux. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-05-06 11:19 -0700
                    Re: No one wants Linux. 	flatfish+++ <phlatphish@yahoo.com> - 2014-05-06 14:30 -0400
                Re: No one wants Linux. chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2014-05-06 08:00 -0500
                  Re: No one wants Linux. 	flatfish+++ <phlatphish@yahoo.com> - 2014-05-06 09:10 -0400
                    Re: No one wants Linux. DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2014-05-06 09:21 -0400
                      Re: No one wants Linux. 	flatfish+++ <phlatphish@yahoo.com> - 2014-05-06 09:40 -0400
                    Re: No one wants Linux. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-05-06 08:57 -0700
                      Re: No one wants Linux. Steve Carroll <fretwizzen@gmail.com> - 2014-05-06 09:56 -0700
        Re: No one wants Linux. 	flatfish+++ <phlatphish@yahoo.com> - 2014-05-03 08:53 -0400
    Re: No one wants Surface tablets Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2014-05-02 08:04 -0400
    Re: No one wants Surface tablets Silver Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2014-05-02 08:57 -0400
      Re: No one wants Surface tablets 	flatfish+++ <phlatphish@yahoo.com> - 2014-05-02 09:04 -0400
        Re: No one wants Surface tablets Silver Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2014-05-02 09:16 -0400
          Re: No one wants Surface tablets 	flatfish+++ <phlatphish@yahoo.com> - 2014-05-02 09:25 -0400
            Re: No one wants Surface tablets Silver Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2014-05-02 10:55 -0400
        Re: No one wants Surface tablets White Spirit <wspirit@homechoice.co.uk> - 2014-05-02 16:04 +0100
          Re: No one wants Surface tablets 	flatfish+++ <phlatphish@yahoo.com> - 2014-05-02 11:20 -0400
            Re: No one wants Surface tablets Silver Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2014-05-02 11:27 -0400
            Re: No one wants Surface tablets Hadron<hadronquark@gmail.com> - 2014-05-02 17:35 +0200
              Re: No one wants Surface tablets Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-05-02 09:03 -0700
                Re: No one wants Surface tablets Steve Carroll <fretwizzen@gmail.com> - 2014-05-02 11:31 -0700
          Re: No one wants Surface tablets GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2014-05-02 11:01 -0600
        Re: No one wants Surface tablets GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2014-05-02 10:58 -0600
          Re: No one wants Surface tablets Lloyd  E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2014-05-02 12:03 -0500
            Re: No one wants Surface tablets 	flatfish+++ <phlatphish@yahoo.com> - 2014-05-02 13:53 -0400
              Re: No one wants Surface tablets Lloyd  E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2014-05-02 13:34 -0500
                Re: No one wants Surface tablets JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> - 2014-05-02 14:04 -0500
                  Re: No one wants Surface tablets Lloyd  E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2014-05-02 14:26 -0500
                    Re: No one wants Surface tablets 	flatfish+++ <phlatphish@yahoo.com> - 2014-05-02 15:49 -0400
                    Re: No one wants Surface tablets JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> - 2014-05-02 14:59 -0500
                      Re: No one wants Surface tablets Lloyd  E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2014-05-02 15:20 -0500
                        Re: No one wants Surface tablets JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> - 2014-05-02 16:00 -0500
                          Re: No one wants Surface tablets Hadron<hadronquark@gmail.com> - 2014-05-02 23:11 +0200
                            Re: No one wants Surface tablets 	flatfish+++ <phlatphish@yahoo.com> - 2014-05-02 17:13 -0400
                            Re: No one wants Surface tablets Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2014-05-03 00:11 +0200
                              Re: No one wants Surface tablets Lloyd  E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2014-05-02 22:11 -0500
                            Re: No one wants Surface tablets Steve Carroll <fretwizzen@gmail.com> - 2014-05-02 18:05 -0700
                          Re: No one wants Surface tablets Lloyd  E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2014-05-02 22:05 -0500
                            My C# macro/extension hides the sign·in button.  Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> - 2014-05-03 00:41 -0700
                Re: No one wants Surface tablets GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2014-05-02 13:28 -0600
                  Re: No one wants Surface tablets Lloyd  E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2014-05-02 14:30 -0500
              Re: No one wants Surface tablets GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2014-05-02 13:28 -0600
            Re: No one wants Surface tablets GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2014-05-02 13:26 -0600
              Re: No one wants Surface tablets Lloyd  E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2014-05-02 14:29 -0500
                Re: No one wants Surface tablets GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2014-05-02 14:43 -0600
      Re: No one wants Surface tablets Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2014-05-02 14:36 +0100
        Re: No one wants Surface tablets 	flatfish+++ <phlatphish@yahoo.com> - 2014-05-02 09:39 -0400
        Re: No one wants Surface tablets "Cola Zealot" <Cola_Zealot@fuckoff.com> - 2014-05-02 16:37 +0200
    Re: No one wants Surface tablets Lloyd <lloydp21@live.com> - 2014-05-02 16:12 -0500
      Re: No one wants Surface tablets JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> - 2014-05-02 16:53 -0500
        Re: No one wants Surface tablets Lloyd  E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2014-05-02 22:14 -0500
          Re: No one wants Surface tablets Steve Carroll <fretwizzen@gmail.com> - 2014-05-02 23:01 -0700
    Re: Many want Linux. Lloyd <lloydp21@live.com> - 2014-05-06 20:14 -0500
      Re: Many want Linux. 	flatfish+++ <phlatphish@yahoo.com> - 2014-05-06 21:15 -0400
      Re: No one wants Linux. DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2014-05-06 23:42 -0400
    Re: Many want Linux. Lloyd <lloydp21@live.com> - 2014-05-06 20:14 -0500
      Re: Many want Linux. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-05-06 18:35 -0700
      Re: Many want Linux. Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2014-05-07 05:53 -0400
        Re: Many want Linux. William Poaster <wp@induh-vidual.net> - 2014-05-07 11:16 +0100
          Re: Many want Linux. Hadron<hadronquark@gmail.com> - 2014-05-07 12:21 +0200
        Re: Many want Linux. RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2014-05-07 10:25 +0000
          Re: Many want Linux. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-05-07 08:23 -0700
            Re: Many want Linux. Lloyd  E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2014-05-07 11:08 -0500
              Re: Many want Linux. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-05-07 09:32 -0700
              Re: Many want Linux. chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2014-05-07 11:45 -0500
                Re: Many want Linux. Lloyd  E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2014-05-07 13:10 -0500
                  Re: Many want Linux. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-05-07 11:20 -0700
                    Re: Many want Linux. Lloyd  E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2014-05-07 13:25 -0500
                      Re: Many want Linux. Hadron<hadronquark@gmail.com> - 2014-05-07 20:39 +0200
                        Re: Many want Linux. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-05-07 12:11 -0700
                      Re: Many want Linux. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-05-07 12:12 -0700
                  Re: Many want Linux. chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2014-05-07 13:16 -0500
                    Re: Many want Linux. Lloyd  E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2014-05-07 13:26 -0500
                      Re: Many want Linux. chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2014-05-07 13:48 -0500
                  Re: Many want Linux. GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2014-05-07 12:49 -0600
                Re: No one wants Linux. DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2014-05-07 18:41 -0400
                Re: Many want Linux. RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2014-05-07 23:47 +0000
                  Re: Many want Linux. Steve Carroll <fretwizzen@gmail.com> - 2014-05-07 16:57 -0700
                  Re: Many want Linux. Lloyd  E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2014-05-07 22:14 -0500
                    Re: Many want Linux. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-05-07 20:54 -0700
        Re: Many want Linux. Silver Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2014-05-07 09:05 -0400
        Re: Many want Linux. DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2014-05-07 10:11 -0400
          Re: Many want Linux. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-05-07 08:38 -0700
          Re: Many want Linux. Silver Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2014-05-07 12:34 -0400
      Re: Many want Linux. side job scooter <sjs@aol.com> - 2014-05-08 00:16 +0000
        Re: Many want Linux. Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2014-05-07 20:24 -0400
          Re: Many want Linux. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-05-07 17:55 -0700
          Re: Many want Linux. Lloyd  E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2014-05-07 22:17 -0500
            Re: Many want Linux. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-05-07 20:51 -0700
            Re: Many want Linux. Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2014-05-08 05:55 -0400
          Re: Many want Linux. chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2014-05-08 07:03 -0500
            Re: Many want Linux. DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2014-05-08 08:47 -0400
        Re: Many want Linux. RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2014-05-08 00:28 +0000
          Re: Many want Linux. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-05-07 17:54 -0700
        Re: Many want Linux. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-05-07 17:57 -0700
        Re: Many want Linux. DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2014-05-07 22:04 -0400
          Re: Many want Linux. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-05-07 19:13 -0700
        Re: Many want Linux. Lloyd  E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2014-05-07 22:16 -0500
          Re: Many want Linux. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-05-07 20:53 -0700
            Re: Many want Linux. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2014-05-12 11:44 -0700
              Re: Many want Linux. Lloyd  E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2014-05-12 14:40 -0500
                Re: Many want Linux. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-05-12 12:57 -0700
                Re: Many want Linux. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2014-05-12 13:26 -0700
          Re: Many want Linux. Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2014-05-08 05:54 -0400
            Re: Many want Linux. William Poaster <wp@induh-vidual.net> - 2014-05-08 11:14 +0100
              Re: Many want Linux. Silver Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2014-05-08 09:15 -0400
        Re: Many want Linux. Hadron<hadronquark@gmail.com> - 2014-05-08 14:54 +0200

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#241359

FromJEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet>
Date2014-05-02 14:59 -0500
Message-ID<slrnlm7u9g.8c0.jedi@nomad.mishnet>
In reply to#241336
On 2014-05-02, Lloyd E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> wrote:
> On 2014-05-02 19:04:15 +0000, JEDIDIAH said:
>
>> On 2014-05-02, Lloyd E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> wrote:
>>> On 2014-05-02 17:53:40 +0000, 	flatfish+++ said:
>>> 
>>>> On Fri, 2 May 2014 12:03:30 -0500, Lloyd E Parsons wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> On 2014-05-02 16:58:54 +0000, GreyCloud said:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 5/2/2014 7:04 AM,  flatfish+++ wrote:
>>>>>>> On Fri, 02 May 2014 08:57:08 -0400, Silver Slimer wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On 2014-05-02 7:06 AM, Tattoo Vampire wrote:
>> 
>> [deletia]
>> 
>>>>>>> I think Microsoft is ahead of the curve here by trying to unify the
>>>>>>> interface across multiple device types. They are battling people like
>> 
>>     You mean like how Ubuntu was doing before them?
>> 
>>>>>>> me who are set in our ways and somewhat resist change.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Tiles on a phone is brilliant in fact. Especially for older folks who
>> 
>>     One would hope so. It's a bit of a disaster on desktops.
>> 
>> [deletia]
>> 
>>>>> No, can't be 'legacy' if you modernize it!!  :)
>>>>> 
>>>>> I keep thinking that MS really does have the right stuff going forward.
>>>>> The SurfacePro is a superb little ultrabook and the 3rd party mfgs
>>>>> that are doing full Windows on Baytrail cpus fill in the rest of the
>>>>> blanks that the RT left.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Add to that Office365 that small business is really in love with and
>> 
>>     Really? You actually believe that line? You need to stop swimming
>> in the Kool-aid quite so much. Web based stuff might be fine for those
>> apps that represent some sort of "IT burden", but simple office apps
>> from the dawn of computing really don't fit into that category. If
>> anything, they are a nuissance that you don't want to spend money on.
>> 
>> [deletia]
>
> Are you that stupid Jed?  Of course you are.

    No. I just do more than troll Usenet forums.

>
> The Office365 apps are not web based though they do default to save at 
> OneDrive.  Not a big problem to change that.
>
> You need to do some research on what makes up Office365 for small 
> business.  Hint: it brings much more to the table than 'simple office 
> apps'.  You're thinking of Linux for that!!  :)

    You need to do some research on small business.

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#241362

FromLloyd E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com>
Date2014-05-02 15:20 -0500
Message-ID<bsicvqFqp1cU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#241359
On 2014-05-02 19:59:44 +0000, JEDIDIAH said:

> On 2014-05-02, Lloyd E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> wrote:
>> On 2014-05-02 19:04:15 +0000, JEDIDIAH said:
>> 
>>> On 2014-05-02, Lloyd E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> wrote:
>>>> On 2014-05-02 17:53:40 +0000, 	flatfish+++ said:
>>>> 
>>>>> On Fri, 2 May 2014 12:03:30 -0500, Lloyd E Parsons wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 2014-05-02 16:58:54 +0000, GreyCloud said:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 5/2/2014 7:04 AM,  flatfish+++ wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Fri, 02 May 2014 08:57:08 -0400, Silver Slimer wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On 2014-05-02 7:06 AM, Tattoo Vampire wrote:
>>> 
>>> [deletia]
>>> 
>>>>>>>> I think Microsoft is ahead of the curve here by trying to unify the
>>>>>>>> interface across multiple device types. They are battling people like
>>> 
>>> You mean like how Ubuntu was doing before them?
>>> 
>>>>>>>> me who are set in our ways and somewhat resist change.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Tiles on a phone is brilliant in fact. Especially for older folks who
>>> 
>>> One would hope so. It's a bit of a disaster on desktops.
>>> 
>>> [deletia]
>>> 
>>>>>> No, can't be 'legacy' if you modernize it!!  :)
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I keep thinking that MS really does have the right stuff going forward.
>>>>>> The SurfacePro is a superb little ultrabook and the 3rd party mfgs
>>>>>> that are doing full Windows on Baytrail cpus fill in the rest of the
>>>>>> blanks that the RT left.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Add to that Office365 that small business is really in love with and
>>> 
>>> Really? You actually believe that line? You need to stop swimming
>>> in the Kool-aid quite so much. Web based stuff might be fine for those
>>> apps that represent some sort of "IT burden", but simple office apps
>>> from the dawn of computing really don't fit into that category. If
>>> anything, they are a nuissance that you don't want to spend money on.
>>> 
>>> [deletia]
>> 
>> Are you that stupid Jed?  Of course you are.
> 
>     No. I just do more than troll Usenet forums.

Bullshit!  Your inane and often totally incorrect posts can only be 
attributed to trolling.

> 
>> 
>> The Office365 apps are not web based though they do default to save at
>> OneDrive.  Not a big problem to change that.
>> 
>> You need to do some research on what makes up Office365 for small
>> business.  Hint: it brings much more to the table than 'simple office
>> apps'.  You're thinking of Linux for that!!  :)
> 
>     You need to do some research on small business.

Since I used to sell technology to small businesses as well as schools, 
I suspect I have a much better grasp of what works and what doesn't.

-- 
Lloyd

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#241370

FromJEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet>
Date2014-05-02 16:00 -0500
Message-ID<slrnlm81rm.1d2.jedi@nomad.mishnet>
In reply to#241362
On 2014-05-02, Lloyd E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> wrote:
> On 2014-05-02 19:59:44 +0000, JEDIDIAH said:
>
>> On 2014-05-02, Lloyd E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> wrote:
>>> On 2014-05-02 19:04:15 +0000, JEDIDIAH said:
>>> 
>>>> On 2014-05-02, Lloyd E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> wrote:
>>>>> On 2014-05-02 17:53:40 +0000, 	flatfish+++ said:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Fri, 2 May 2014 12:03:30 -0500, Lloyd E Parsons wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 2014-05-02 16:58:54 +0000, GreyCloud said:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On 5/2/2014 7:04 AM,  flatfish+++ wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 02 May 2014 08:57:08 -0400, Silver Slimer wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On 2014-05-02 7:06 AM, Tattoo Vampire wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> [deletia]
>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I think Microsoft is ahead of the curve here by trying to unify the
>>>>>>>>> interface across multiple device types. They are battling people like
>>>> 
>>>> You mean like how Ubuntu was doing before them?
>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> me who are set in our ways and somewhat resist change.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Tiles on a phone is brilliant in fact. Especially for older folks who
>>>> 
>>>> One would hope so. It's a bit of a disaster on desktops.
>>>> 
>>>> [deletia]
>>>> 
>>>>>>> No, can't be 'legacy' if you modernize it!!  :)
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I keep thinking that MS really does have the right stuff going forward.
>>>>>>> The SurfacePro is a superb little ultrabook and the 3rd party mfgs
>>>>>>> that are doing full Windows on Baytrail cpus fill in the rest of the
>>>>>>> blanks that the RT left.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Add to that Office365 that small business is really in love with and
>>>> 
>>>> Really? You actually believe that line? You need to stop swimming
>>>> in the Kool-aid quite so much. Web based stuff might be fine for those
>>>> apps that represent some sort of "IT burden", but simple office apps
>>>> from the dawn of computing really don't fit into that category. If
>>>> anything, they are a nuissance that you don't want to spend money on.
>>>> 
>>>> [deletia]
>>> 
>>> Are you that stupid Jed?  Of course you are.
>> 
>>     No. I just do more than troll Usenet forums.
>
> Bullshit!  Your inane and often totally incorrect posts can only be 
> attributed to trolling.
>
>> 
>>> 
>>> The Office365 apps are not web based though they do default to save at
>>> OneDrive.  Not a big problem to change that.
>>> 
>>> You need to do some research on what makes up Office365 for small
>>> business.  Hint: it brings much more to the table than 'simple office
>>> apps'.  You're thinking of Linux for that!!  :)
>> 
>>     You need to do some research on small business.
>
> Since I used to sell technology to small businesses as well as schools, 
> I suspect I have a much better grasp of what works and what doesn't.

    Even if your claims aren't total bullshit, there's still a world
of difference between selling something to someone and that thing
actually being useful or a positive net gain for them.

    Really. You're a former SALESMAN and you're trying to lecture us about technology?

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#241372

FromHadron<hadronquark@gmail.com>
Date2014-05-02 23:11 +0200
Message-ID<87k3a3j37j.fsf@gmail.com>
In reply to#241370
JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> writes:

> On 2014-05-02, Lloyd E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> wrote:
>> On 2014-05-02 19:59:44 +0000, JEDIDIAH said:
>>
>>> On 2014-05-02, Lloyd E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> wrote:
>>>> On 2014-05-02 19:04:15 +0000, JEDIDIAH said:
>>>> 
>>>>> On 2014-05-02, Lloyd E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On 2014-05-02 17:53:40 +0000, 	flatfish+++ said:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Fri, 2 May 2014 12:03:30 -0500, Lloyd E Parsons wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On 2014-05-02 16:58:54 +0000, GreyCloud said:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On 5/2/2014 7:04 AM,  flatfish+++ wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 02 May 2014 08:57:08 -0400, Silver Slimer wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> On 2014-05-02 7:06 AM, Tattoo Vampire wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> [deletia]
>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> I think Microsoft is ahead of the curve here by trying to unify the
>>>>>>>>>> interface across multiple device types. They are battling people like
>>>>> 
>>>>> You mean like how Ubuntu was doing before them?
>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> me who are set in our ways and somewhat resist change.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Tiles on a phone is brilliant in fact. Especially for older folks who
>>>>> 
>>>>> One would hope so. It's a bit of a disaster on desktops.
>>>>> 
>>>>> [deletia]
>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> No, can't be 'legacy' if you modernize it!!  :)
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I keep thinking that MS really does have the right stuff going forward.
>>>>>>>> The SurfacePro is a superb little ultrabook and the 3rd party mfgs
>>>>>>>> that are doing full Windows on Baytrail cpus fill in the rest of the
>>>>>>>> blanks that the RT left.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Add to that Office365 that small business is really in love with and
>>>>> 
>>>>> Really? You actually believe that line? You need to stop swimming
>>>>> in the Kool-aid quite so much. Web based stuff might be fine for those
>>>>> apps that represent some sort of "IT burden", but simple office apps
>>>>> from the dawn of computing really don't fit into that category. If
>>>>> anything, they are a nuissance that you don't want to spend money on.
>>>>> 
>>>>> [deletia]
>>>> 
>>>> Are you that stupid Jed?  Of course you are.
>>> 
>>>     No. I just do more than troll Usenet forums.
>>
>> Bullshit!  Your inane and often totally incorrect posts can only be 
>> attributed to trolling.
>>
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> The Office365 apps are not web based though they do default to save at
>>>> OneDrive.  Not a big problem to change that.
>>>> 
>>>> You need to do some research on what makes up Office365 for small
>>>> business.  Hint: it brings much more to the table than 'simple office
>>>> apps'.  You're thinking of Linux for that!!  :)
>>> 
>>>     You need to do some research on small business.
>>
>> Since I used to sell technology to small businesses as well as schools, 
>> I suspect I have a much better grasp of what works and what doesn't.
>
>     Even if your claims aren't total bullshit, there's still a world
> of difference between selling something to someone and that thing
> actually being useful or a positive net gain for them.
>
>     Really. You're a former SALESMAN and you're trying to lecture us
>     about technology?

Jed, you really are a fucking clueless twat. You have ZERO idea how
Office 365 is used or what it contains. You have ZERO idea how small
businesses automate lots of things with excel and then word template
integration. In short you're the worst of the worst : ignorant and too
lazy and arrogant to learn and correct yourself. It's no coincidence
that *everyone* tells you the same thing.


-- 
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The turdv/chrisv idiot and his pretend BSEE degree.
PLEASE VISIT OUR HALL OF LINUX IDIOTS
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#241375

From flatfish+++ <phlatphish@yahoo.com>
Date2014-05-02 17:13 -0400
Message-ID<15mtcvw2m0m5g$.1rhyk9dq9xa1v$.dlg@40tude.net>
In reply to#241372
On Fri, 02 May 2014 23:11:28 +0200, Hadron wrote:

> JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> writes:
> 
>> On 2014-05-02, Lloyd E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> wrote:
>>> On 2014-05-02 19:59:44 +0000, JEDIDIAH said:
>>>
>>>> On 2014-05-02, Lloyd E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> wrote:
>>>>> On 2014-05-02 19:04:15 +0000, JEDIDIAH said:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 2014-05-02, Lloyd E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2014-05-02 17:53:40 +0000, 	flatfish+++ said:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Fri, 2 May 2014 12:03:30 -0500, Lloyd E Parsons wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On 2014-05-02 16:58:54 +0000, GreyCloud said:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On 5/2/2014 7:04 AM,  flatfish+++ wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 02 May 2014 08:57:08 -0400, Silver Slimer wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2014-05-02 7:06 AM, Tattoo Vampire wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> [deletia]
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> I think Microsoft is ahead of the curve here by trying to unify the
>>>>>>>>>>> interface across multiple device types. They are battling people like
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> You mean like how Ubuntu was doing before them?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> me who are set in our ways and somewhat resist change.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Tiles on a phone is brilliant in fact. Especially for older folks who
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> One would hope so. It's a bit of a disaster on desktops.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> [deletia]
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> No, can't be 'legacy' if you modernize it!!  :)
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I keep thinking that MS really does have the right stuff going forward.
>>>>>>>>> The SurfacePro is a superb little ultrabook and the 3rd party mfgs
>>>>>>>>> that are doing full Windows on Baytrail cpus fill in the rest of the
>>>>>>>>> blanks that the RT left.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Add to that Office365 that small business is really in love with and
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Really? You actually believe that line? You need to stop swimming
>>>>>> in the Kool-aid quite so much. Web based stuff might be fine for those
>>>>>> apps that represent some sort of "IT burden", but simple office apps
>>>>>> from the dawn of computing really don't fit into that category. If
>>>>>> anything, they are a nuissance that you don't want to spend money on.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> [deletia]
>>>>> 
>>>>> Are you that stupid Jed?  Of course you are.
>>>> 
>>>>     No. I just do more than troll Usenet forums.
>>>
>>> Bullshit!  Your inane and often totally incorrect posts can only be 
>>> attributed to trolling.
>>>
>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> The Office365 apps are not web based though they do default to save at
>>>>> OneDrive.  Not a big problem to change that.
>>>>> 
>>>>> You need to do some research on what makes up Office365 for small
>>>>> business.  Hint: it brings much more to the table than 'simple office
>>>>> apps'.  You're thinking of Linux for that!!  :)
>>>> 
>>>>     You need to do some research on small business.
>>>
>>> Since I used to sell technology to small businesses as well as schools, 
>>> I suspect I have a much better grasp of what works and what doesn't.
>>
>>     Even if your claims aren't total bullshit, there's still a world
>> of difference between selling something to someone and that thing
>> actually being useful or a positive net gain for them.
>>
>>     Really. You're a former SALESMAN and you're trying to lecture us
>>     about technology?
> 
> Jed, you really are a fucking clueless twat. You have ZERO idea how
> Office 365 is used or what it contains. You have ZERO idea how small
> businesses automate lots of things with excel and then word template
> integration. In short you're the worst of the worst : ignorant and too
> lazy and arrogant to learn and correct yourself. It's no coincidence
> that *everyone* tells you the same thing.

And have been telling him the same thing since the 1980's.
It's green screen jeb.

He is forever stuck at the CLI and unable to conceive of others not
wanting to experience computing like he does.

-- 
flatfish+++

163 Reasons not to deal with Michael "Snit" Glasser, the Prescott 
Computer Guy
http://cosmicpenguin.com/snitlist.html

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#241400

FromPeter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de>
Date2014-05-03 00:11 +0200
Message-ID<lk156c$2rj$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#241372
Hadron wrote:

> JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> writes:
> 
>> On 2014-05-02, Lloyd E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> wrote:
>>> On 2014-05-02 19:59:44 +0000, JEDIDIAH said:
>>>
>>>> On 2014-05-02, Lloyd E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> wrote:
>>>>> On 2014-05-02 19:04:15 +0000, JEDIDIAH said:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 2014-05-02, Lloyd E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2014-05-02 17:53:40 +0000, 	flatfish+++ said:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Fri, 2 May 2014 12:03:30 -0500, Lloyd E Parsons wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On 2014-05-02 16:58:54 +0000, GreyCloud said:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On 5/2/2014 7:04 AM,  flatfish+++ wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 02 May 2014 08:57:08 -0400, Silver Slimer wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2014-05-02 7:06 AM, Tattoo Vampire wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> [deletia]
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> I think Microsoft is ahead of the curve here by trying to unify
>>>>>>>>>>> the interface across multiple device types. They are battling
>>>>>>>>>>> people like
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> You mean like how Ubuntu was doing before them?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> me who are set in our ways and somewhat resist change.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Tiles on a phone is brilliant in fact. Especially for older
>>>>>>>>>>> folks who
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> One would hope so. It's a bit of a disaster on desktops.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> [deletia]
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> No, can't be 'legacy' if you modernize it!!  :)
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I keep thinking that MS really does have the right stuff going
>>>>>>>>> forward. The SurfacePro is a superb little ultrabook and the 3rd
>>>>>>>>> party mfgs that are doing full Windows on Baytrail cpus fill in
>>>>>>>>> the rest of the blanks that the RT left.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Add to that Office365 that small business is really in love with
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Really? You actually believe that line? You need to stop swimming
>>>>>> in the Kool-aid quite so much. Web based stuff might be fine for
>>>>>> those apps that represent some sort of "IT burden", but simple office
>>>>>> apps from the dawn of computing really don't fit into that category.
>>>>>> If anything, they are a nuissance that you don't want to spend money
>>>>>> on.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> [deletia]
>>>>> 
>>>>> Are you that stupid Jed?  Of course you are.
>>>> 
>>>>     No. I just do more than troll Usenet forums.
>>>
>>> Bullshit!  Your inane and often totally incorrect posts can only be
>>> attributed to trolling.
>>>
>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> The Office365 apps are not web based though they do default to save at
>>>>> OneDrive.  Not a big problem to change that.
>>>>> 
>>>>> You need to do some research on what makes up Office365 for small
>>>>> business.  Hint: it brings much more to the table than 'simple office
>>>>> apps'.  You're thinking of Linux for that!!  :)
>>>> 
>>>>     You need to do some research on small business.
>>>
>>> Since I used to sell technology to small businesses as well as schools,
>>> I suspect I have a much better grasp of what works and what doesn't.
>>
>>     Even if your claims aren't total bullshit, there's still a world
>> of difference between selling something to someone and that thing
>> actually being useful or a positive net gain for them.
>>
>>     Really. You're a former SALESMAN and you're trying to lecture us
>>     about technology?
> 
> Jed, you really are a fucking clueless twat. You have ZERO idea how
> Office 365 is used or what it contains. 

What that toddlers version of "Office" contains or not has absolutely 
nothing to do with his disdain about salesmen
Usually a salesman knows absolutely nothing about the techonology behind a 
product, and could even less inform a client about it

Salesmen sell fridges to the polar regions, or fine grained sand to arabia

If there is someone more dishonest than a salesman he has to be called a 
Snit

> You have ZERO idea how small
> businesses automate lots of things with excel and then word template
> integration. 

Which is totally irrelevant. Apart from the fact that Office 365 is a bad 
joke

> In short you're the worst of the worst : ignorant and too
> lazy and arrogant to learn and correct yourself. It's no coincidence
> that *everyone* tells you the same thing.
> 

"Everyone" being you, Hadron Snit Msg-ID Larry and flatfish Gary Stewrat.

In short: The worst liars cola has ever seen besides of Snit Michael Glasser 

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#241486

FromLloyd E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com>
Date2014-05-02 22:11 -0500
Message-ID<bsj52kFrf6U1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#241400
On 2014-05-02 22:11:23 +0000, Peter Köhlmann said:

> Hadron wrote:
> 
>> JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> writes:
>> 
>>> On 2014-05-02, Lloyd E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> wrote:
>>>> On 2014-05-02 19:59:44 +0000, JEDIDIAH said:
>>>> 
>>>>> On 2014-05-02, Lloyd E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On 2014-05-02 19:04:15 +0000, JEDIDIAH said:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 2014-05-02, Lloyd E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2014-05-02 17:53:40 +0000, 	flatfish+++ said:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 2 May 2014 12:03:30 -0500, Lloyd E Parsons wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On 2014-05-02 16:58:54 +0000, GreyCloud said:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/2/2014 7:04 AM,  flatfish+++ wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 02 May 2014 08:57:08 -0400, Silver Slimer wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2014-05-02 7:06 AM, Tattoo Vampire wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> [deletia]
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> I think Microsoft is ahead of the curve here by trying to unify
>>>>>>>>>>>> the interface across multiple device types. They are battling
>>>>>>>>>>>> people like
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> You mean like how Ubuntu was doing before them?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> me who are set in our ways and somewhat resist change.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Tiles on a phone is brilliant in fact. Especially for older
>>>>>>>>>>>> folks who
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> One would hope so. It's a bit of a disaster on desktops.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> [deletia]
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> No, can't be 'legacy' if you modernize it!!  :)
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> I keep thinking that MS really does have the right stuff going
>>>>>>>>>> forward. The SurfacePro is a superb little ultrabook and the 3rd
>>>>>>>>>> party mfgs that are doing full Windows on Baytrail cpus fill in
>>>>>>>>>> the rest of the blanks that the RT left.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Add to that Office365 that small business is really in love with
>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Really? You actually believe that line? You need to stop swimming
>>>>>>> in the Kool-aid quite so much. Web based stuff might be fine for
>>>>>>> those apps that represent some sort of "IT burden", but simple office
>>>>>>> apps from the dawn of computing really don't fit into that category.
>>>>>>> If anything, they are a nuissance that you don't want to spend money
>>>>>>> on.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> [deletia]
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Are you that stupid Jed?  Of course you are.
>>>>> 
>>>>> No. I just do more than troll Usenet forums.
>>>> 
>>>> Bullshit!  Your inane and often totally incorrect posts can only be
>>>> attributed to trolling.
>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The Office365 apps are not web based though they do default to save at
>>>>>> OneDrive.  Not a big problem to change that.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> You need to do some research on what makes up Office365 for small
>>>>>> business.  Hint: it brings much more to the table than 'simple office
>>>>>> apps'.  You're thinking of Linux for that!!  :)
>>>>> 
>>>>> You need to do some research on small business.
>>>> 
>>>> Since I used to sell technology to small businesses as well as schools,
>>>> I suspect I have a much better grasp of what works and what doesn't.
>>> 
>>> Even if your claims aren't total bullshit, there's still a world
>>> of difference between selling something to someone and that thing
>>> actually being useful or a positive net gain for them.
>>> 
>>> Really. You're a former SALESMAN and you're trying to lecture us
>>> about technology?
>> 
>> Jed, you really are a fucking clueless twat. You have ZERO idea how
>> Office 365 is used or what it contains.
> 
> What that toddlers version of "Office" contains or not has absolutely
> nothing to do with his disdain about salesmen
> Usually a salesman knows absolutely nothing about the techonology behind a
> product, and could even less inform a client about it

I'm sure there are salesmen just as you describe.  They aren't working 
in consultive sales, or at least not for long.

> 
> Salesmen sell fridges to the polar regions, or fine grained sand to arabia

And big and small networks and everyone in between.  As well as all the 
other things needed to solve a business problem.

Fortunately I worked for companies that realized that the engineers 
bright ideas weren't always the best from a total solution point of 
view.  The engineers and techs knew the parts of the job at hand that 
they needed to, the sales force knew the whole thing.

And the ones that worked with me realized that sales is every bit as 
important as any job of any company out there.  After all, if it 
doesn't sell, the company doesn't make money.  Frankly it is easier to 
hire a new techie type than it is to hire a really good salesperson.

So don't try to compare the store sales person with professional sales 
people, it is a completely different animal.

> 
> If there is someone more dishonest than a salesman he has to be called a
> Snit

Typical dumbass 'engineer' response.

> 
>> You have ZERO idea how small
>> businesses automate lots of things with excel and then word template
>> integration.
> 
> Which is totally irrelevant. Apart from the fact that Office 365 is a bad
> joke

It most certainly is not.  Get your head out of your ass and start 
doing some research into Office365 for business.  I'd say you'd be 
surprised, but with your 'superior to everyone' attitude, something 
tells me you won't do it or even have a clue what you are looking at.

Go back to the tech room with the rest of the geeks.

> 
>> In short you're the worst of the worst : ignorant and too
>> lazy and arrogant to learn and correct yourself. It's no coincidence
>> that *everyone* tells you the same thing.
>> 
> 
> "Everyone" being you, Hadron Snit Msg-ID Larry and flatfish Gary Stewrat.
> 
> In short: The worst liars cola has ever seen besides of Snit Michael Glasser


-- 
Lloyd

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#241445

FromSteve Carroll <fretwizzen@gmail.com>
Date2014-05-02 18:05 -0700
Message-ID<329344af-0afe-4513-aa50-badda99b8fd5@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#241372
On Friday, May 2, 2014 9:11:28 PM UTC, Hadron wrote:
> JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> writes:
> 
> 
> 
> > On 2014-05-02, Lloyd E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> wrote:
> 
> >> On 2014-05-02 19:59:44 +0000, JEDIDIAH said:
> 
> >>
> 
> >>> On 2014-05-02, Lloyd E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> wrote:
> 
> >>>> On 2014-05-02 19:04:15 +0000, JEDIDIAH said:
> 
> >>>> 
> 
> >>>>> On 2014-05-02, Lloyd E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> wrote:
> 
> >>>>>> On 2014-05-02 17:53:40 +0000, 	flatfish+++ said:
> 
> >>>>>> 
> 
> >>>>>>> On Fri, 2 May 2014 12:03:30 -0500, Lloyd E Parsons wrote:
> 
> >>>>>>> 
> 
> >>>>>>>> On 2014-05-02 16:58:54 +0000, GreyCloud said:
> 
> >>>>>>>> 
> 
> >>>>>>>>> On 5/2/2014 7:04 AM,  flatfish+++ wrote:
> 
> >>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 02 May 2014 08:57:08 -0400, Silver Slimer wrote:
> 
> >>>>>>>>>> 
> 
> >>>>>>>>>>> On 2014-05-02 7:06 AM, Tattoo Vampire wrote:
> 
> >>>>> 
> 
> >>>>> [deletia]
> 
> >>>>> 
> 
> >>>>>>>>>> I think Microsoft is ahead of the curve here by trying to unify the
> 
> >>>>>>>>>> interface across multiple device types. They are battling people like
> 
> >>>>> 
> 
> >>>>> You mean like how Ubuntu was doing before them?
> 
> >>>>> 
> 
> >>>>>>>>>> me who are set in our ways and somewhat resist change.
> 
> >>>>>>>>>> 
> 
> >>>>>>>>>> Tiles on a phone is brilliant in fact. Especially for older folks who
> 
> >>>>> 
> 
> >>>>> One would hope so. It's a bit of a disaster on desktops.
> 
> >>>>> 
> 
> >>>>> [deletia]
> 
> >>>>> 
> 
> >>>>>>>> No, can't be 'legacy' if you modernize it!!  :)
> 
> >>>>>>>> 
> 
> >>>>>>>> I keep thinking that MS really does have the right stuff going forward.
> 
> >>>>>>>> The SurfacePro is a superb little ultrabook and the 3rd party mfgs
> 
> >>>>>>>> that are doing full Windows on Baytrail cpus fill in the rest of the
> 
> >>>>>>>> blanks that the RT left.
> 
> >>>>>>>> 
> 
> >>>>>>>> Add to that Office365 that small business is really in love with and
> 
> >>>>> 
> 
> >>>>> Really? You actually believe that line? You need to stop swimming
> 
> >>>>> in the Kool-aid quite so much. Web based stuff might be fine for those
> 
> >>>>> apps that represent some sort of "IT burden", but simple office apps
> 
> >>>>> from the dawn of computing really don't fit into that category. If
> 
> >>>>> anything, they are a nuissance that you don't want to spend money on.
> 
> >>>>> 
> 
> >>>>> [deletia]
> 
> >>>> 
> 
> >>>> Are you that stupid Jed?  Of course you are.
> 
> >>> 
> 
> >>>     No. I just do more than troll Usenet forums.
> 
> >>
> 
> >> Bullshit!  Your inane and often totally incorrect posts can only be 
> 
> >> attributed to trolling.
> 
> >>
> 
> >>> 
> 
> >>>> 
> 
> >>>> The Office365 apps are not web based though they do default to save at
> 
> >>>> OneDrive.  Not a big problem to change that.
> 
> >>>> 
> 
> >>>> You need to do some research on what makes up Office365 for small
> 
> >>>> business.  Hint: it brings much more to the table than 'simple office
> 
> >>>> apps'.  You're thinking of Linux for that!!  :)
> 
> >>> 
> 
> >>>     You need to do some research on small business.
> 
> >>
> 
> >> Since I used to sell technology to small businesses as well as schools, 
> 
> >> I suspect I have a much better grasp of what works and what doesn't.
> 
> >
> 
> >     Even if your claims aren't total bullshit, there's still a world
> 
> > of difference between selling something to someone and that thing
> 
> > actually being useful or a positive net gain for them.
> 
> >
> 
> >     Really. You're a former SALESMAN and you're trying to lecture us
> 
> >     about technology?
> 
> 
> 
> Jed, you really are a fucking clueless twat. You have ZERO idea how
> 
> Office 365 is used or what it contains. You have ZERO idea how small
> 
> businesses automate lots of things with excel and then word template
> 
> integration. In short you're the worst of the worst : ignorant and too
> 
> lazy and arrogant to learn and correct yourself. It's no coincidence
> 
> that *everyone* tells you the same thing.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> 
> "I have a BSEE.... Negative feedback has many benefits, but "maintaining stability" is not one of them. Just the opposite, in fact." 
> 
> The turdv/chrisv idiot and his pretend BSEE degree.
> 
> PLEASE VISIT OUR HALL OF LINUX IDIOTS
> 
> http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/

Another forgery by Michael Glasser Prescott Computer guy of Prescott, Arizona.

http://prescottcomputerguy.com

His video expertise is shown here

http://prescottcomputerguy.com/screenflow

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#241480

FromLloyd E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com>
Date2014-05-02 22:05 -0500
Message-ID<bsj4n7Fpg6U1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#241370
On 2014-05-02 21:00:38 +0000, JEDIDIAH said:

> On 2014-05-02, Lloyd E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> wrote:
>> On 2014-05-02 19:59:44 +0000, JEDIDIAH said:
>> 
>>> On 2014-05-02, Lloyd E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> wrote:
>>>> On 2014-05-02 19:04:15 +0000, JEDIDIAH said:
>>>> 
>>>>> On 2014-05-02, Lloyd E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On 2014-05-02 17:53:40 +0000, 	flatfish+++ said:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Fri, 2 May 2014 12:03:30 -0500, Lloyd E Parsons wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On 2014-05-02 16:58:54 +0000, GreyCloud said:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On 5/2/2014 7:04 AM,  flatfish+++ wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 02 May 2014 08:57:08 -0400, Silver Slimer wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> On 2014-05-02 7:06 AM, Tattoo Vampire wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> [deletia]
>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> I think Microsoft is ahead of the curve here by trying to unify the
>>>>>>>>>> interface across multiple device types. They are battling people like
>>>>> 
>>>>> You mean like how Ubuntu was doing before them?
>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> me who are set in our ways and somewhat resist change.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Tiles on a phone is brilliant in fact. Especially for older folks who
>>>>> 
>>>>> One would hope so. It's a bit of a disaster on desktops.
>>>>> 
>>>>> [deletia]
>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> No, can't be 'legacy' if you modernize it!!  :)
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I keep thinking that MS really does have the right stuff going forward.
>>>>>>>> The SurfacePro is a superb little ultrabook and the 3rd party mfgs
>>>>>>>> that are doing full Windows on Baytrail cpus fill in the rest of the
>>>>>>>> blanks that the RT left.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Add to that Office365 that small business is really in love with and
>>>>> 
>>>>> Really? You actually believe that line? You need to stop swimming
>>>>> in the Kool-aid quite so much. Web based stuff might be fine for those
>>>>> apps that represent some sort of "IT burden", but simple office apps
>>>>> from the dawn of computing really don't fit into that category. If
>>>>> anything, they are a nuissance that you don't want to spend money on.
>>>>> 
>>>>> [deletia]
>>>> 
>>>> Are you that stupid Jed?  Of course you are.
>>> 
>>> No. I just do more than troll Usenet forums.
>> 
>> Bullshit!  Your inane and often totally incorrect posts can only be
>> attributed to trolling.
>> 
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> The Office365 apps are not web based though they do default to save at
>>>> OneDrive.  Not a big problem to change that.
>>>> 
>>>> You need to do some research on what makes up Office365 for small
>>>> business.  Hint: it brings much more to the table than 'simple office
>>>> apps'.  You're thinking of Linux for that!!  :)
>>> 
>>> You need to do some research on small business.
>> 
>> Since I used to sell technology to small businesses as well as schools,
>> I suspect I have a much better grasp of what works and what doesn't.
> 
>     Even if your claims aren't total bullshit, there's still a world
> of difference between selling something to someone and that thing
> actually being useful or a positive net gain for them.

You really are terminally stupid when it comes to tech sales as much as 
you are about technology in general.  Consultive sales was the model 
used and the salesperson is every bit as big a deal in the solutions as 
are the techs, programmers and network engineers I worked with.

Most often I designed the networks for the schools and businesses I 
sold to.  Some with a few hundred workstations and quite a few servers. 
 I went up on bidded projects against the big boys quite a few times 
and won the bid more often than not.

I wrote the specifications in conjunction with the network engineers, 
techs and programmers for most projects.  And that's how it is done in 
successful value added resale shops.

> 
>     Really. You're a former SALESMAN and you're trying to lecture us 
> about technology?

I was programming at first, probably about the time you were still 
shitting yellow in your nappies.  Found programming to be very boring.

-- 
Lloyd

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#241523 — My C# macro/extension hides the sign·in button. 

FromJeff-Relf.Me <@.>
Date2014-05-03 00:41 -0700
SubjectMy C# macro/extension hides the sign·in button. 
Message-ID<Jeff-Relf.Me@May.3{0.41.Seattle.2014}>
In reply to#241480
<PRE Style='White-Space: PRE !important; Font-Size: 18px !important;Font-Family: monospace !important;'> 
Re: Office365 ( and Visual Studio 2013 ).

I'd pay to -not- have to sign·in to a server.

My C# macro/extension hides the sign·in button; see:

  http://Jeff-Relf.Me/Macros.HTM

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#241340

FromGreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com>
Date2014-05-02 13:28 -0600
Message-ID<XuudnVMoiJKcb_7OnZ2dnUVZ_o-dnZ2d@bresnan.com>
In reply to#241321
On 5/2/2014 12:34 PM, Lloyd E Parsons wrote:
> On 2014-05-02 17:53:40 +0000,     flatfish+++ said:
> 
>> On Fri, 2 May 2014 12:03:30 -0500, Lloyd E Parsons wrote:
>>
>>> On 2014-05-02 16:58:54 +0000, GreyCloud said:
>>>
>>>> On 5/2/2014 7:04 AM,  flatfish+++ wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, 02 May 2014 08:57:08 -0400, Silver Slimer wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2014-05-02 7:06 AM, Tattoo Vampire wrote:
>>>>>>> "In its latest filing, Microsoft disclosed that for the March
>>>>>>> quarter,
>>>>>>> Microsoft's Surface tablets and accessories pulled in $494
>>>>>>> million. But
>>>>>>> the company spent $539 million in chasing those sales..."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Microsoft continues to spend more on the things than it's taking
>>>>>>> in. The
>>>>>>> writer here must be a Microsoft shill, though - he says since
>>>>>>> they're
>>>>>>> losing less on them now than earlier this year, they're on the
>>>>>>> way to
>>>>>>> profitability.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "If nothing else, Microsoft's tablet line appears to be on the
>>>>>>> road to
>>>>>>> profitability, losing less money and generating more revenue than
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> same period a year ago. And, understandably, Surface revenue was
>>>>>>> lower
>>>>>>> during the first quarter than at the height of the holiday selling
>>>>>>> season."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://goo.gl/vUyG84
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Losing money to advertise a product which is clearly important in the
>>>>>> company's financial strategy going forward isn't entirely crazy.
>>>>>> As it
>>>>>> is, Microsoft needs to convince the consumers that it not only has an
>>>>>> operating system which allows them to take advantage of touch
>>>>>> features
>>>>>> all the while preserving the usability of a traditional Windows
>>>>>> desktop,
>>>>>> but also that it can produce the hardware which will give them all of
>>>>>> the benefits of an Apple or Android tablet IN ADDITION to the
>>>>>> features
>>>>>> they've come to expect. Considering people WANT very portable
>>>>>> computers
>>>>>> with long battery life which also happen to be useful for
>>>>>> productivity,
>>>>>> it makes sense that Microsoft would produce Windows 8 AND a Surface
>>>>>> tablet to go with it. As it is, anyone I've seen who has purchase a
>>>>>> Surface Pro thinks they're quite a marvel and probably the most
>>>>>> useful
>>>>>> computer they've ever owned. With word of mouth, these devices should
>>>>>> become a lot more popular. The best thing Microsoft can do is stay
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> course (unlike other pieces of hardware they've produced which were
>>>>>> immediately abandoned once it was clear they weren't selling like
>>>>>> hotcakes).
>>>>>
>>>>> Well stated!
>>>>>
>>>>> While I loath the Windows 8.1 tiles interface on a desktop with twin
>>>>> LCD, non-touch, I've seen how well it works with touch screens. For
>>>>> example, a friend of mine is using twin touch screen monitors that
>>>>> are embedded into his studio desk. He has the display duplicated on a
>>>>> huge plasma screen up on the wall and it works really well.
>>>>>
>>>>> I think Microsoft is ahead of the curve here by trying to unify the
>>>>> interface across multiple device types. They are battling people like
>>>>> me who are set in our ways and somewhat resist change.
>>>>>
>>>>> Tiles on a phone is brilliant in fact. Especially for older folks who
>>>>> have trouble seeing miniscule icons and so forth.
>>>>> The big problem is lack of support applications wise. Android and
>>>>> iPhone have far better support that way.
>>>>>
>>>>> I agree, Microsoft should keep plodding along till the concept of
>>>>> unified interfaces clicks, if ever.
>>>>>
>>>>> The Linux loons hate stuff like they.
>>>>> They prefer a mish-mash of code fragments, little program"ettes" that
>>>>> all do a specific function rather than "use this it works" approach.
>>>>>
>>>>> They are also totally hung up on the choice mantra which is in effect
>>>>> killing their product.
>>>>>
>>>> A thought occured to me for another way for MS to make some more money.
>>>> They can call it legacy windows, modernized of course, and resell
>>>> all of
>>>> their old stuff for all of us old timers that were used to doing things
>>>> that way.  They just don't have to charge as much, and they can reuse
>>>> their old software.
>>>
>>> No, can't be 'legacy' if you modernize it!!  :)
>>>
>>> I keep thinking that MS really does have the right stuff going forward.
>>> The SurfacePro is a superb little ultrabook and the 3rd party mfgs
>>> that are doing full Windows on Baytrail cpus fill in the rest of the
>>> blanks that the RT left.
>>>
>>> Add to that Office365 that small business is really in love with and
>>> OneDrive which is probably the best overall implementation of Cloud
>>> services and you've got the makings of a real killer combo IMO.
>>
>> They have most of the right ideas but I think the timing is just a
>> little bit too early.
>> The majority are still legacy/traditional desktop users and that is
>> where a lot of the backlash is coming from.
> 
> As small business moves more and more to Office365, the rest of the
> market will follow.  But yeah, it could be a bit longer than I would
> expect.
> 
I'm seeing a lot more mac book pros in the medical field now than last year.


-- 
We've all heard that a million monkeys banging on a million typewriters
will eventually reproduce the entire works of Shakespeare. Now, thanks
to the Internet, we know this is not true -- Robert Wilensky, 1997

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#241343

FromLloyd E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com>
Date2014-05-02 14:30 -0500
Message-ID<bsia3cFq4saU2@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#241340
On 2014-05-02 19:28:51 +0000, GreyCloud said:

> On 5/2/2014 12:34 PM, Lloyd E Parsons wrote:
>> On 2014-05-02 17:53:40 +0000,     flatfish+++ said:
>> 
>>> On Fri, 2 May 2014 12:03:30 -0500, Lloyd E Parsons wrote:
>>> 
>>>> On 2014-05-02 16:58:54 +0000, GreyCloud said:
>>>> 
>>>>> On 5/2/2014 7:04 AM,  flatfish+++ wrote:
>>>>>> On Fri, 02 May 2014 08:57:08 -0400, Silver Slimer wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 2014-05-02 7:06 AM, Tattoo Vampire wrote:
>>>>>>>> "In its latest filing, Microsoft disclosed that for the March
>>>>>>>> quarter,
>>>>>>>> Microsoft's Surface tablets and accessories pulled in $494
>>>>>>>> million. But
>>>>>>>> the company spent $539 million in chasing those sales..."
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Microsoft continues to spend more on the things than it's taking
>>>>>>>> in. The
>>>>>>>> writer here must be a Microsoft shill, though - he says since
>>>>>>>> they're
>>>>>>>> losing less on them now than earlier this year, they're on the
>>>>>>>> way to
>>>>>>>> profitability.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> "If nothing else, Microsoft's tablet line appears to be on the
>>>>>>>> road to
>>>>>>>> profitability, losing less money and generating more revenue than
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> same period a year ago. And, understandably, Surface revenue was
>>>>>>>> lower
>>>>>>>> during the first quarter than at the height of the holiday selling
>>>>>>>> season."
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> http://goo.gl/vUyG84
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Losing money to advertise a product which is clearly important in the
>>>>>>> company's financial strategy going forward isn't entirely crazy.
>>>>>>> As it
>>>>>>> is, Microsoft needs to convince the consumers that it not only has an
>>>>>>> operating system which allows them to take advantage of touch
>>>>>>> features
>>>>>>> all the while preserving the usability of a traditional Windows
>>>>>>> desktop,
>>>>>>> but also that it can produce the hardware which will give them all of
>>>>>>> the benefits of an Apple or Android tablet IN ADDITION to the
>>>>>>> features
>>>>>>> they've come to expect. Considering people WANT very portable
>>>>>>> computers
>>>>>>> with long battery life which also happen to be useful for
>>>>>>> productivity,
>>>>>>> it makes sense that Microsoft would produce Windows 8 AND a Surface
>>>>>>> tablet to go with it. As it is, anyone I've seen who has purchase a
>>>>>>> Surface Pro thinks they're quite a marvel and probably the most
>>>>>>> useful
>>>>>>> computer they've ever owned. With word of mouth, these devices should
>>>>>>> become a lot more popular. The best thing Microsoft can do is stay
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> course (unlike other pieces of hardware they've produced which were
>>>>>>> immediately abandoned once it was clear they weren't selling like
>>>>>>> hotcakes).
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Well stated!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> While I loath the Windows 8.1 tiles interface on a desktop with twin
>>>>>> LCD, non-touch, I've seen how well it works with touch screens. For
>>>>>> example, a friend of mine is using twin touch screen monitors that
>>>>>> are embedded into his studio desk. He has the display duplicated on a
>>>>>> huge plasma screen up on the wall and it works really well.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I think Microsoft is ahead of the curve here by trying to unify the
>>>>>> interface across multiple device types. They are battling people like
>>>>>> me who are set in our ways and somewhat resist change.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Tiles on a phone is brilliant in fact. Especially for older folks who
>>>>>> have trouble seeing miniscule icons and so forth.
>>>>>> The big problem is lack of support applications wise. Android and
>>>>>> iPhone have far better support that way.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I agree, Microsoft should keep plodding along till the concept of
>>>>>> unified interfaces clicks, if ever.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The Linux loons hate stuff like they.
>>>>>> They prefer a mish-mash of code fragments, little program"ettes" that
>>>>>> all do a specific function rather than "use this it works" approach.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> They are also totally hung up on the choice mantra which is in effect
>>>>>> killing their product.
>>>>>> 
>>>>> A thought occured to me for another way for MS to make some more money.
>>>>> They can call it legacy windows, modernized of course, and resell
>>>>> all of
>>>>> their old stuff for all of us old timers that were used to doing things
>>>>> that way.  They just don't have to charge as much, and they can reuse
>>>>> their old software.
>>>> 
>>>> No, can't be 'legacy' if you modernize it!!  :)
>>>> 
>>>> I keep thinking that MS really does have the right stuff going forward.
>>>> The SurfacePro is a superb little ultrabook and the 3rd party mfgs
>>>> that are doing full Windows on Baytrail cpus fill in the rest of the
>>>> blanks that the RT left.
>>>> 
>>>> Add to that Office365 that small business is really in love with and
>>>> OneDrive which is probably the best overall implementation of Cloud
>>>> services and you've got the makings of a real killer combo IMO.
>>> 
>>> They have most of the right ideas but I think the timing is just a
>>> little bit too early.
>>> The majority are still legacy/traditional desktop users and that is
>>> where a lot of the backlash is coming from.
>> 
>> As small business moves more and more to Office365, the rest of the
>> market will follow.  But yeah, it could be a bit longer than I would
>> expect.
>> 
> I'm seeing a lot more mac book pros in the medical field now than last year.

Me too.

-- 
Lloyd

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#241339

FromGreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com>
Date2014-05-02 13:28 -0600
Message-ID<XuudnVAoiJJJbP7OnZ2dnUVZ_o8AAAAA@bresnan.com>
In reply to#241297
On 5/2/2014 11:53 AM,  flatfish+++ wrote:
> On Fri, 2 May 2014 12:03:30 -0500, Lloyd E Parsons wrote:
> 
>> On 2014-05-02 16:58:54 +0000, GreyCloud said:
>>
>>> On 5/2/2014 7:04 AM,  flatfish+++ wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 02 May 2014 08:57:08 -0400, Silver Slimer wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2014-05-02 7:06 AM, Tattoo Vampire wrote:
>>>>>> "In its latest filing, Microsoft disclosed that for the March quarter,
>>>>>> Microsoft's Surface tablets and accessories pulled in $494 million. But
>>>>>> the company spent $539 million in chasing those sales..."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Microsoft continues to spend more on the things than it's taking in. The
>>>>>> writer here must be a Microsoft shill, though - he says since they're
>>>>>> losing less on them now than earlier this year, they're on the way to
>>>>>> profitability.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "If nothing else, Microsoft's tablet line appears to be on the road to
>>>>>> profitability, losing less money and generating more revenue than the
>>>>>> same period a year ago. And, understandably, Surface revenue was lower
>>>>>> during the first quarter than at the height of the holiday selling
>>>>>> season."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://goo.gl/vUyG84
>>>>>
>>>>> Losing money to advertise a product which is clearly important in the
>>>>> company's financial strategy going forward isn't entirely crazy. As it
>>>>> is, Microsoft needs to convince the consumers that it not only has an
>>>>> operating system which allows them to take advantage of touch features
>>>>> all the while preserving the usability of a traditional Windows desktop,
>>>>> but also that it can produce the hardware which will give them all of
>>>>> the benefits of an Apple or Android tablet IN ADDITION to the features
>>>>> they've come to expect. Considering people WANT very portable computers
>>>>> with long battery life which also happen to be useful for productivity,
>>>>> it makes sense that Microsoft would produce Windows 8 AND a Surface
>>>>> tablet to go with it. As it is, anyone I've seen who has purchase a
>>>>> Surface Pro thinks they're quite a marvel and probably the most useful
>>>>> computer they've ever owned. With word of mouth, these devices should
>>>>> become a lot more popular. The best thing Microsoft can do is stay the
>>>>> course (unlike other pieces of hardware they've produced which were
>>>>> immediately abandoned once it was clear they weren't selling like hotcakes).
>>>>
>>>> Well stated!
>>>>
>>>> While I loath the Windows 8.1 tiles interface on a desktop with twin
>>>> LCD, non-touch, I've seen how well it works with touch screens. For
>>>> example, a friend of mine is using twin touch screen monitors that
>>>> are embedded into his studio desk. He has the display duplicated on a
>>>> huge plasma screen up on the wall and it works really well.
>>>>
>>>> I think Microsoft is ahead of the curve here by trying to unify the
>>>> interface across multiple device types. They are battling people like
>>>> me who are set in our ways and somewhat resist change.
>>>>
>>>> Tiles on a phone is brilliant in fact. Especially for older folks who
>>>> have trouble seeing miniscule icons and so forth.
>>>> The big problem is lack of support applications wise. Android and
>>>> iPhone have far better support that way.
>>>>
>>>> I agree, Microsoft should keep plodding along till the concept of
>>>> unified interfaces clicks, if ever.
>>>>
>>>> The Linux loons hate stuff like they.
>>>> They prefer a mish-mash of code fragments, little program"ettes" that
>>>> all do a specific function rather than "use this it works" approach.
>>>>
>>>> They are also totally hung up on the choice mantra which is in effect
>>>> killing their product.
>>>>
>>> A thought occured to me for another way for MS to make some more money.
>>> They can call it legacy windows, modernized of course, and resell all of
>>> their old stuff for all of us old timers that were used to doing things
>>> that way.  They just don't have to charge as much, and they can reuse
>>> their old software.
>>
>> No, can't be 'legacy' if you modernize it!!  :)
>>
>> I keep thinking that MS really does have the right stuff going forward. 
>>  The SurfacePro is a superb little ultrabook and the 3rd party mfgs 
>> that are doing full Windows on Baytrail cpus fill in the rest of the 
>> blanks that the RT left.
>>
>> Add to that Office365 that small business is really in love with and 
>> OneDrive which is probably the best overall implementation of Cloud 
>> services and you've got the makings of a real killer combo IMO.
> 
> They have most of the right ideas but I think the timing is just a
> little bit too early.
> The majority are still legacy/traditional desktop users and that is
> where a lot of the backlash is coming from.
> 

I believe you are right on that one.  I still have some old programs
that just won't run on windows 7 x64 or XP Pro any more.  I guess I'll
have to rewrite them, tho I won't enjoy it.


-- 
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will eventually reproduce the entire works of Shakespeare. Now, thanks
to the Internet, we know this is not true -- Robert Wilensky, 1997

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#241337

FromGreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com>
Date2014-05-02 13:26 -0600
Message-ID<XuudnVEoiJLgbP7OnZ2dnUVZ_o-dnZ2d@bresnan.com>
In reply to#241285
On 5/2/2014 11:03 AM, Lloyd E Parsons wrote:
> On 2014-05-02 16:58:54 +0000, GreyCloud said:
> 
>> On 5/2/2014 7:04 AM,  flatfish+++ wrote:
>>> On Fri, 02 May 2014 08:57:08 -0400, Silver Slimer wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2014-05-02 7:06 AM, Tattoo Vampire wrote:
>>>>> "In its latest filing, Microsoft disclosed that for the March quarter,
>>>>> Microsoft's Surface tablets and accessories pulled in $494 million.
>>>>> But
>>>>> the company spent $539 million in chasing those sales..."
>>>>>
>>>>> Microsoft continues to spend more on the things than it's taking
>>>>> in. The
>>>>> writer here must be a Microsoft shill, though - he says since they're
>>>>> losing less on them now than earlier this year, they're on the way to
>>>>> profitability.
>>>>>
>>>>> "If nothing else, Microsoft's tablet line appears to be on the road to
>>>>> profitability, losing less money and generating more revenue than the
>>>>> same period a year ago. And, understandably, Surface revenue was lower
>>>>> during the first quarter than at the height of the holiday selling
>>>>> season."
>>>>>
>>>>> http://goo.gl/vUyG84
>>>>
>>>> Losing money to advertise a product which is clearly important in the
>>>> company's financial strategy going forward isn't entirely crazy. As it
>>>> is, Microsoft needs to convince the consumers that it not only has an
>>>> operating system which allows them to take advantage of touch features
>>>> all the while preserving the usability of a traditional Windows
>>>> desktop,
>>>> but also that it can produce the hardware which will give them all of
>>>> the benefits of an Apple or Android tablet IN ADDITION to the features
>>>> they've come to expect. Considering people WANT very portable computers
>>>> with long battery life which also happen to be useful for productivity,
>>>> it makes sense that Microsoft would produce Windows 8 AND a Surface
>>>> tablet to go with it. As it is, anyone I've seen who has purchase a
>>>> Surface Pro thinks they're quite a marvel and probably the most useful
>>>> computer they've ever owned. With word of mouth, these devices should
>>>> become a lot more popular. The best thing Microsoft can do is stay the
>>>> course (unlike other pieces of hardware they've produced which were
>>>> immediately abandoned once it was clear they weren't selling like
>>>> hotcakes).
>>>
>>> Well stated!
>>>
>>> While I loath the Windows 8.1 tiles interface on a desktop with twin
>>> LCD, non-touch, I've seen how well it works with touch screens. For
>>> example, a friend of mine is using twin touch screen monitors that
>>> are embedded into his studio desk. He has the display duplicated on a
>>> huge plasma screen up on the wall and it works really well.
>>>
>>> I think Microsoft is ahead of the curve here by trying to unify the
>>> interface across multiple device types. They are battling people like
>>> me who are set in our ways and somewhat resist change.
>>>
>>> Tiles on a phone is brilliant in fact. Especially for older folks who
>>> have trouble seeing miniscule icons and so forth.
>>> The big problem is lack of support applications wise. Android and
>>> iPhone have far better support that way.
>>>
>>> I agree, Microsoft should keep plodding along till the concept of
>>> unified interfaces clicks, if ever.
>>>
>>> The Linux loons hate stuff like they.
>>> They prefer a mish-mash of code fragments, little program"ettes" that
>>> all do a specific function rather than "use this it works" approach.
>>>
>>> They are also totally hung up on the choice mantra which is in effect
>>> killing their product.
>>>
>> A thought occured to me for another way for MS to make some more money.
>> They can call it legacy windows, modernized of course, and resell all of
>> their old stuff for all of us old timers that were used to doing things
>> that way.  They just don't have to charge as much, and they can reuse
>> their old software.
> 
> No, can't be 'legacy' if you modernize it!!  :)
> 
Well, modernize in the terms of getting it to run on new hardware,
especially the new graphics cards.  If they can get the graphics card to
take direct commands from assembly, then it would work out.  But as it
is, the new cards won't allow direct user commands.

> I keep thinking that MS really does have the right stuff going forward.
> The SurfacePro is a superb little ultrabook and the 3rd party mfgs that
> are doing full Windows on Baytrail cpus fill in the rest of the blanks
> that the RT left.
> 

I've thought about it the pro, but still sit behind a desk to do all of
my work.  A touch screen just won't be of any help to me.

> Add to that Office365 that small business is really in love with and
> OneDrive which is probably the best overall implementation of Cloud
> services and you've got the makings of a real killer combo IMO.
> 

I dont' trust my data to any cloud services.
Especially google.



-- 
We've all heard that a million monkeys banging on a million typewriters
will eventually reproduce the entire works of Shakespeare. Now, thanks
to the Internet, we know this is not true -- Robert Wilensky, 1997

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#241341

FromLloyd E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com>
Date2014-05-02 14:29 -0500
Message-ID<bsia1eFq4saU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#241337
On 2014-05-02 19:26:39 +0000, GreyCloud said:

> On 5/2/2014 11:03 AM, Lloyd E Parsons wrote:
>> On 2014-05-02 16:58:54 +0000, GreyCloud said:
>> 
>>> On 5/2/2014 7:04 AM,  flatfish+++ wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 02 May 2014 08:57:08 -0400, Silver Slimer wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> On 2014-05-02 7:06 AM, Tattoo Vampire wrote:
>>>>>> "In its latest filing, Microsoft disclosed that for the March quarter,
>>>>>> Microsoft's Surface tablets and accessories pulled in $494 million.
>>>>>> But
>>>>>> the company spent $539 million in chasing those sales..."
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Microsoft continues to spend more on the things than it's taking
>>>>>> in. The
>>>>>> writer here must be a Microsoft shill, though - he says since they're
>>>>>> losing less on them now than earlier this year, they're on the way to
>>>>>> profitability.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> "If nothing else, Microsoft's tablet line appears to be on the road to
>>>>>> profitability, losing less money and generating more revenue than the
>>>>>> same period a year ago. And, understandably, Surface revenue was lower
>>>>>> during the first quarter than at the height of the holiday selling
>>>>>> season."
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> http://goo.gl/vUyG84
>>>>> 
>>>>> Losing money to advertise a product which is clearly important in the
>>>>> company's financial strategy going forward isn't entirely crazy. As it
>>>>> is, Microsoft needs to convince the consumers that it not only has an
>>>>> operating system which allows them to take advantage of touch features
>>>>> all the while preserving the usability of a traditional Windows
>>>>> desktop,
>>>>> but also that it can produce the hardware which will give them all of
>>>>> the benefits of an Apple or Android tablet IN ADDITION to the features
>>>>> they've come to expect. Considering people WANT very portable computers
>>>>> with long battery life which also happen to be useful for productivity,
>>>>> it makes sense that Microsoft would produce Windows 8 AND a Surface
>>>>> tablet to go with it. As it is, anyone I've seen who has purchase a
>>>>> Surface Pro thinks they're quite a marvel and probably the most useful
>>>>> computer they've ever owned. With word of mouth, these devices should
>>>>> become a lot more popular. The best thing Microsoft can do is stay the
>>>>> course (unlike other pieces of hardware they've produced which were
>>>>> immediately abandoned once it was clear they weren't selling like
>>>>> hotcakes).
>>>> 
>>>> Well stated!
>>>> 
>>>> While I loath the Windows 8.1 tiles interface on a desktop with twin
>>>> LCD, non-touch, I've seen how well it works with touch screens. For
>>>> example, a friend of mine is using twin touch screen monitors that
>>>> are embedded into his studio desk. He has the display duplicated on a
>>>> huge plasma screen up on the wall and it works really well.
>>>> 
>>>> I think Microsoft is ahead of the curve here by trying to unify the
>>>> interface across multiple device types. They are battling people like
>>>> me who are set in our ways and somewhat resist change.
>>>> 
>>>> Tiles on a phone is brilliant in fact. Especially for older folks who
>>>> have trouble seeing miniscule icons and so forth.
>>>> The big problem is lack of support applications wise. Android and
>>>> iPhone have far better support that way.
>>>> 
>>>> I agree, Microsoft should keep plodding along till the concept of
>>>> unified interfaces clicks, if ever.
>>>> 
>>>> The Linux loons hate stuff like they.
>>>> They prefer a mish-mash of code fragments, little program"ettes" that
>>>> all do a specific function rather than "use this it works" approach.
>>>> 
>>>> They are also totally hung up on the choice mantra which is in effect
>>>> killing their product.
>>>> 
>>> A thought occured to me for another way for MS to make some more money.
>>> They can call it legacy windows, modernized of course, and resell all of
>>> their old stuff for all of us old timers that were used to doing things
>>> that way.  They just don't have to charge as much, and they can reuse
>>> their old software.
>> 
>> No, can't be 'legacy' if you modernize it!!  :)
>> 
> Well, modernize in the terms of getting it to run on new hardware,
> especially the new graphics cards.  If they can get the graphics card to
> take direct commands from assembly, then it would work out.  But as it
> is, the new cards won't allow direct user commands.
> 
>> I keep thinking that MS really does have the right stuff going forward.
>> The SurfacePro is a superb little ultrabook and the 3rd party mfgs that
>> are doing full Windows on Baytrail cpus fill in the rest of the blanks
>> that the RT left.
>> 
> 
> I've thought about it the pro, but still sit behind a desk to do all of
> my work.  A touch screen just won't be of any help to me.
> 
>> Add to that Office365 that small business is really in love with and
>> OneDrive which is probably the best overall implementation of Cloud
>> services and you've got the makings of a real killer combo IMO.
>> 
> 
> I dont' trust my data to any cloud services.
> Especially google.

The Office apps in Office365 default to save to the cloud, but they 
don't have to and are installed on your computer.  IOW, they are not 
web apps.

And for small business, they get Exchange and a few other things 
without having the hassle of setting up their own servers.  It really 
is a nice package.

As to trusting the cloud, yeah I fully understand your position even if 
I don't totally agree with it.  If you think for a minute that 'they' 
can't get all they need from you just from being on the internet, you 
haven't been paying attention.

The cloud just makes it easier!!  :)

-- 
Lloyd

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#241366

FromGreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com>
Date2014-05-02 14:43 -0600
Message-ID<9PydnfK5YosfnvnOnZ2dnUVZ_oednZ2d@bresnan.com>
In reply to#241341
Lloyd E Parsons wrote:

> On 2014-05-02 19:26:39 +0000, GreyCloud said:
> 
>> On 5/2/2014 11:03 AM, Lloyd E Parsons wrote:
>>> On 2014-05-02 16:58:54 +0000, GreyCloud said:
>>> 
>>>> On 5/2/2014 7:04 AM,  flatfish+++ wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, 02 May 2014 08:57:08 -0400, Silver Slimer wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 2014-05-02 7:06 AM, Tattoo Vampire wrote:
>>>>>>> "In its latest filing, Microsoft disclosed that for the March
>>>>>>> quarter, Microsoft's Surface tablets and accessories pulled in $494
>>>>>>> million. But
>>>>>>> the company spent $539 million in chasing those sales..."
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Microsoft continues to spend more on the things than it's taking
>>>>>>> in. The
>>>>>>> writer here must be a Microsoft shill, though - he says since
>>>>>>> they're losing less on them now than earlier this year, they're on
>>>>>>> the way to profitability.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> "If nothing else, Microsoft's tablet line appears to be on the road
>>>>>>> to profitability, losing less money and generating more revenue than
>>>>>>> the same period a year ago. And, understandably, Surface revenue was
>>>>>>> lower during the first quarter than at the height of the holiday
>>>>>>> selling season."
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> http://goo.gl/vUyG84
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Losing money to advertise a product which is clearly important in the
>>>>>> company's financial strategy going forward isn't entirely crazy. As
>>>>>> it is, Microsoft needs to convince the consumers that it not only has
>>>>>> an operating system which allows them to take advantage of touch
>>>>>> features all the while preserving the usability of a traditional
>>>>>> Windows desktop,
>>>>>> but also that it can produce the hardware which will give them all of
>>>>>> the benefits of an Apple or Android tablet IN ADDITION to the
>>>>>> features they've come to expect. Considering people WANT very
>>>>>> portable computers with long battery life which also happen to be
>>>>>> useful for productivity, it makes sense that Microsoft would produce
>>>>>> Windows 8 AND a Surface tablet to go with it. As it is, anyone I've
>>>>>> seen who has purchase a Surface Pro thinks they're quite a marvel and
>>>>>> probably the most useful computer they've ever owned. With word of
>>>>>> mouth, these devices should become a lot more popular. The best thing
>>>>>> Microsoft can do is stay the course (unlike other pieces of hardware
>>>>>> they've produced which were immediately abandoned once it was clear
>>>>>> they weren't selling like hotcakes).
>>>>> 
>>>>> Well stated!
>>>>> 
>>>>> While I loath the Windows 8.1 tiles interface on a desktop with twin
>>>>> LCD, non-touch, I've seen how well it works with touch screens. For
>>>>> example, a friend of mine is using twin touch screen monitors that
>>>>> are embedded into his studio desk. He has the display duplicated on a
>>>>> huge plasma screen up on the wall and it works really well.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I think Microsoft is ahead of the curve here by trying to unify the
>>>>> interface across multiple device types. They are battling people like
>>>>> me who are set in our ways and somewhat resist change.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Tiles on a phone is brilliant in fact. Especially for older folks who
>>>>> have trouble seeing miniscule icons and so forth.
>>>>> The big problem is lack of support applications wise. Android and
>>>>> iPhone have far better support that way.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I agree, Microsoft should keep plodding along till the concept of
>>>>> unified interfaces clicks, if ever.
>>>>> 
>>>>> The Linux loons hate stuff like they.
>>>>> They prefer a mish-mash of code fragments, little program"ettes" that
>>>>> all do a specific function rather than "use this it works" approach.
>>>>> 
>>>>> They are also totally hung up on the choice mantra which is in effect
>>>>> killing their product.
>>>>> 
>>>> A thought occured to me for another way for MS to make some more money.
>>>> They can call it legacy windows, modernized of course, and resell all
>>>> of their old stuff for all of us old timers that were used to doing
>>>> things
>>>> that way.  They just don't have to charge as much, and they can reuse
>>>> their old software.
>>> 
>>> No, can't be 'legacy' if you modernize it!!  :)
>>> 
>> Well, modernize in the terms of getting it to run on new hardware,
>> especially the new graphics cards.  If they can get the graphics card to
>> take direct commands from assembly, then it would work out.  But as it
>> is, the new cards won't allow direct user commands.
>> 
>>> I keep thinking that MS really does have the right stuff going forward.
>>> The SurfacePro is a superb little ultrabook and the 3rd party mfgs that
>>> are doing full Windows on Baytrail cpus fill in the rest of the blanks
>>> that the RT left.
>>> 
>> 
>> I've thought about it the pro, but still sit behind a desk to do all of
>> my work.  A touch screen just won't be of any help to me.
>> 
>>> Add to that Office365 that small business is really in love with and
>>> OneDrive which is probably the best overall implementation of Cloud
>>> services and you've got the makings of a real killer combo IMO.
>>> 
>> 
>> I dont' trust my data to any cloud services.
>> Especially google.
> 
> The Office apps in Office365 default to save to the cloud, but they
> don't have to and are installed on your computer.  IOW, they are not
> web apps.
> 
> And for small business, they get Exchange and a few other things
> without having the hassle of setting up their own servers.  It really
> is a nice package.
> 
> As to trusting the cloud, yeah I fully understand your position even if
> I don't totally agree with it.  If you think for a minute that 'they'
> can't get all they need from you just from being on the internet, you
> haven't been paying attention.
> 
> The cloud just makes it easier!!  :)
> 
It isn't so much that... it is the remote repository for your own programs I 
don't trust them with... theft!   Anyway, almost the entire populace is now 
considered to be a terrorist, according to our leading politicians.  So it 
doesn't really matter on your own personal stuff... just where you make a 
living could be a problem.

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#241231

FromDesk Rabbit <me@example.com>
Date2014-05-02 14:36 +0100
Message-ID<lk071d$odk$2@deskrabbit.motzarella.org>
In reply to#241214
On 02/05/2014 13:57, Silver Slimer wrote:
> On 2014-05-02 7:06 AM, Tattoo Vampire wrote:
>> "In its latest filing, Microsoft disclosed that for the March quarter,
>> Microsoft's Surface tablets and accessories pulled in $494 million. But
>> the company spent $539 million in chasing those sales..."
>>
>> Microsoft continues to spend more on the things than it's taking in. The
>> writer here must be a Microsoft shill, though - he says since they're
>> losing less on them now than earlier this year, they're on the way to
>> profitability.
>>
>> "If nothing else, Microsoft's tablet line appears to be on the road to
>> profitability, losing less money and generating more revenue than the
>> same period a year ago. And, understandably, Surface revenue was lower
>> during the first quarter than at the height of the holiday selling
>> season."
>>
>> http://goo.gl/vUyG84
>
> Losing money to advertise a product which is clearly important in the
> company's financial strategy going forward isn't entirely crazy. As it
> is, Microsoft needs to convince the consumers that it not only has an
> operating system which allows them to take advantage of touch features
> all the while preserving the usability of a traditional Windows desktop,
> but also that it can produce the hardware which will give them all of
> the benefits of an Apple or Android tablet IN ADDITION to the features
> they've come to expect. Considering people WANT very portable computers
> with long battery life which also happen to be useful for productivity,
> it makes sense that Microsoft would produce Windows 8 AND a Surface
> tablet to go with it. As it is, anyone I've seen who has purchase a
> Surface Pro thinks they're quite a marvel and probably the most useful
> computer they've ever owned. With word of mouth, these devices should
> become a lot more popular. The best thing Microsoft can do is stay the
> course (unlike other pieces of hardware they've produced which were
> immediately abandoned once it was clear they weren't selling like
> hotcakes).
>

You are spot on. The 2% of Desktop Linux users have 0.1% clue on how to 
market a product ;-)

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#241232

From flatfish+++ <phlatphish@yahoo.com>
Date2014-05-02 09:39 -0400
Message-ID<ubiru8fqsfqk.wn9n5z064wk3$.dlg@40tude.net>
In reply to#241231
On Fri, 02 May 2014 14:36:46 +0100, Desk Rabbit wrote:

> On 02/05/2014 13:57, Silver Slimer wrote:
>> On 2014-05-02 7:06 AM, Tattoo Vampire wrote:
>>> "In its latest filing, Microsoft disclosed that for the March quarter,
>>> Microsoft's Surface tablets and accessories pulled in $494 million. But
>>> the company spent $539 million in chasing those sales..."
>>>
>>> Microsoft continues to spend more on the things than it's taking in. The
>>> writer here must be a Microsoft shill, though - he says since they're
>>> losing less on them now than earlier this year, they're on the way to
>>> profitability.
>>>
>>> "If nothing else, Microsoft's tablet line appears to be on the road to
>>> profitability, losing less money and generating more revenue than the
>>> same period a year ago. And, understandably, Surface revenue was lower
>>> during the first quarter than at the height of the holiday selling
>>> season."
>>>
>>> http://goo.gl/vUyG84
>>
>> Losing money to advertise a product which is clearly important in the
>> company's financial strategy going forward isn't entirely crazy. As it
>> is, Microsoft needs to convince the consumers that it not only has an
>> operating system which allows them to take advantage of touch features
>> all the while preserving the usability of a traditional Windows desktop,
>> but also that it can produce the hardware which will give them all of
>> the benefits of an Apple or Android tablet IN ADDITION to the features
>> they've come to expect. Considering people WANT very portable computers
>> with long battery life which also happen to be useful for productivity,
>> it makes sense that Microsoft would produce Windows 8 AND a Surface
>> tablet to go with it. As it is, anyone I've seen who has purchase a
>> Surface Pro thinks they're quite a marvel and probably the most useful
>> computer they've ever owned. With word of mouth, these devices should
>> become a lot more popular. The best thing Microsoft can do is stay the
>> course (unlike other pieces of hardware they've produced which were
>> immediately abandoned once it was clear they weren't selling like
>> hotcakes).
>>
> 
> You are spot on. The 2% of Desktop Linux users have 0.1% clue on how to 
> market a product ;-)

lol !

-- 
flatfish+++

163 Reasons not to deal with Michael "Snit" Glasser, the Prescott 
Computer Guy
http://cosmicpenguin.com/snitlist.html

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#241233

From"Cola Zealot" <Cola_Zealot@fuckoff.com>
Date2014-05-02 16:37 +0200
Message-ID<lk0ajp$i6r$1@news.albasani.net>
In reply to#241231
"Desk Rabbit"  wrote in message 
news:lk071d$odk$2@deskrabbit.motzarella.org...
>
>On 02/05/2014 13:57, Silver Slimer wrote:
>> On 2014-05-02 7:06 AM, Tattoo Vampire wrote:
>>> "In its latest filing, Microsoft disclosed that for the March quarter,
>>> Microsoft's Surface tablets and accessories pulled in $494 million. But
>>> the company spent $539 million in chasing those sales..."
>>>
>>> Microsoft continues to spend more on the things than it's taking in. The
>>> writer here must be a Microsoft shill, though - he says since they're
>>> losing less on them now than earlier this year, they're on the way to
>>> profitability.
>>>
>>> "If nothing else, Microsoft's tablet line appears to be on the road to
>>> profitability, losing less money and generating more revenue than the
>>> same period a year ago. And, understandably, Surface revenue was lower
>>> during the first quarter than at the height of the holiday selling
>>> season."
>>>
>>> http://goo.gl/vUyG84
>>
>> Losing money to advertise a product which is clearly important in the
>> company's financial strategy going forward isn't entirely crazy. As it
>> is, Microsoft needs to convince the consumers that it not only has an
>> operating system which allows them to take advantage of touch features
>> all the while preserving the usability of a traditional Windows desktop,
>> but also that it can produce the hardware which will give them all of
>> the benefits of an Apple or Android tablet IN ADDITION to the features
>> they've come to expect. Considering people WANT very portable computers
>> with long battery life which also happen to be useful for productivity,
>> it makes sense that Microsoft would produce Windows 8 AND a Surface
>> tablet to go with it. As it is, anyone I've seen who has purchase a
>> Surface Pro thinks they're quite a marvel and probably the most useful
>> computer they've ever owned. With word of mouth, these devices should
>> become a lot more popular. The best thing Microsoft can do is stay the
>> course (unlike other pieces of hardware they've produced which were
>> immediately abandoned once it was clear they weren't selling like
>> hotcakes).
>>
>
>You are spot on. The 2% of Desktop Linux users have 0.1% clue on how to 
>market a product ;-)
>
ROFL and deadbeat Tattoo AKA Don Zeigler has ZERO clue! 

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#241373

FromLloyd <lloydp21@live.com>
Date2014-05-02 16:12 -0500
Message-ID<lk11o7$7cf$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#241195
> On 2014-05-02, Lloyd E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> wrote:
>> On 2014-05-02 19:59:44 +0000, JEDIDIAH said:
>>
>>> On 2014-05-02, Lloyd E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> wrote:
>>>> On 2014-05-02 19:04:15 +0000, JEDIDIAH said:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2014-05-02, Lloyd E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On 2014-05-02 17:53:40 +0000, 	flatfish+++ said:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, 2 May 2014 12:03:30 -0500, Lloyd E Parsons wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 2014-05-02 16:58:54 +0000, GreyCloud said:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 5/2/2014 7:04 AM,  flatfish+++ wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 02 May 2014 08:57:08 -0400, Silver Slimer wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 2014-05-02 7:06 AM, Tattoo Vampire wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> [deletia]
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I think Microsoft is ahead of the curve here by trying to unify the
>>>>>>>>>> interface across multiple device types. They are battling people like
>>>>>
>>>>> You mean like how Ubuntu was doing before them?
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> me who are set in our ways and somewhat resist change.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Tiles on a phone is brilliant in fact. Especially for older folks who
>>>>>
>>>>> One would hope so. It's a bit of a disaster on desktops.
>>>>>
>>>>> [deletia]
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> No, can't be 'legacy' if you modernize it!!  :)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I keep thinking that MS really does have the right stuff going forward.
>>>>>>>> The SurfacePro is a superb little ultrabook and the 3rd party mfgs
>>>>>>>> that are doing full Windows on Baytrail cpus fill in the rest of the
>>>>>>>> blanks that the RT left.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Add to that Office365 that small business is really in love with and
>>>>>
>>>>> Really? You actually believe that line? You need to stop swimming
>>>>> in the Kool-aid quite so much. Web based stuff might be fine for those
>>>>> apps that represent some sort of "IT burden", but simple office apps
>>>>> from the dawn of computing really don't fit into that category. If
>>>>> anything, they are a nuissance that you don't want to spend money on.
>>>>>
>>>>> [deletia]
>>>>
>>>> Are you that stupid Jed?  Of course you are.
>>>
>>>     No. I just do more than troll Usenet forums.
>>
>> Bullshit!  Your inane and often totally incorrect posts can only be
>> attributed to trolling.
>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> The Office365 apps are not web based though they do default to save at
>>>> OneDrive.  Not a big problem to change that.
>>>>
>>>> You need to do some research on what makes up Office365 for small
>>>> business.  Hint: it brings much more to the table than 'simple office
>>>> apps'.  You're thinking of Linux for that!!  :)
>>>
>>>     You need to do some research on small business.
>>
>> Since I used to sell technology to small businesses as well as schools,
>> I suspect I have a much better grasp of what works and what doesn't.
>
>     Even if your claims aren't total bullshit, there's still a world
> of difference between selling something to someone and that thing
> actually being useful or a positive net gain for them.
>
>     Really. You're a former SALESMAN and you're trying to lecture us about technology?
>

Absolutely!  Being in tech sales for a small VAR means more than making presentations.  You work with the client to define the issues to be solved, the possible solutions, including designing the networks for most of them.  Conductive sales is not at all like what you are used to at McDonalds.

And if you are doing conductive sales, you are working damned hard to keep them as repeat customers.  You don't do that unless you really understand their business and yours.

> --
> 	Oracle... can't live with it...                          |||
>                                                                 / | \
> 	can't just replace it with postgres...
>


--
Lloyd

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