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Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix

Started byLawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid>
First post2026-10-08 23:23 +0000
Last post2026-10-22 02:02 +0000
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  Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-08 23:23 +0000
    Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-10-08 23:43 +0000
      Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-11 21:35 +0000
        Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-10-12 00:09 +0000
        Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-10-12 15:58 -0700
          Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-10-12 19:23 -0400
            Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-10-12 19:37 -0400
              Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-10-12 16:47 -0700
                Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-10-12 19:58 -0400
                  Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-10-12 18:33 -0700
                    Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-10-13 07:48 -0400
                    Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-10-13 14:24 -0400
              Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-10-12 20:35 -0400
                Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-10-13 14:21 -0400
                  Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-10-13 11:25 -0700
                    Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-10-13 16:22 -0400
                      Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-10-13 14:32 -0700
                        Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-10-14 10:50 -0400
                          Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-10-14 11:52 -0400
                            Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-10-14 13:13 -0400
                          Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-10-14 10:26 -0700
                            Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-10-14 13:37 -0400
                              Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-10-14 10:44 -0700
                                Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-10-14 14:23 -0400
                                  Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-10-15 10:17 -0700
                                    Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-10-15 14:20 -0400
                  Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-10-13 17:09 -0400
                    Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-10-13 17:13 -0400
                      Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-10-13 14:34 -0700
                        Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-10-14 10:51 -0400
                        Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-10-14 08:04 -0700
                      Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-10-13 19:38 -0400
                        Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-10-14 11:57 -0400
                          Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-10-14 09:30 -0700
                          Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-10-14 16:53 -0400
                            Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-15 00:46 +0000
                              Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-10-14 21:02 -0400
                                Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-10-14 21:29 -0400
                                  Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-10-14 18:43 -0700
                                    Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-10-14 22:13 -0400
                                      Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-10-14 20:10 -0700
                                  Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-15 01:59 +0000
    Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-10-08 16:46 -0700
    Re: Another Reason Why Apple's OS IS in fact Unix (was: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix) Nick Charles <none@none.none> - 2026-10-09 00:56 +0000
      Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-09 01:06 +0000
        Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-10-08 19:28 -0700
          Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-10-09 08:25 -0400
            Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix John Bokma <contact@johnbokma.com> - 2026-10-09 14:40 +0200
              Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-10-09 09:09 -0400
                Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix Nick Charles <nunya@none.none> - 2026-10-09 14:41 +0000
                  Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-10-09 11:00 -0400
                  Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-10 20:21 +0000
                    Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-10-10 17:11 -0700
              Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-10 20:17 +0000
                Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-10-10 17:13 -0700
                Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-10-10 20:38 -0400
                  Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-10-11 15:12 +0000
                    Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-11 21:29 +0000
                      Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-10-11 22:09 +0000
                      Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-10-12 15:45 -0700
            Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-10-09 09:10 -0700
        Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix Nick Charles <nunya@none.none> - 2026-10-09 14:41 +0000
          Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-10-09 11:02 -0400
            Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-10-09 09:11 -0700
              Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-10-09 14:32 -0400
                Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-10-09 17:13 -0400
                  Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-10-09 18:36 -0400
            Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-09 19:14 +0000
              Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-10-09 12:48 -0700
              Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-10-09 17:14 -0400
                Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-10 01:36 +0000
                  Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-10-09 21:40 -0400
                    Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-10-10 07:34 -0400
                      Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-10-11 15:24 -0400
                        Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-10-11 21:16 -0400
                          Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-10-11 21:23 -0400
                            Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-10-11 21:32 -0400
                          Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-12 04:10 +0000
                  Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-10-09 19:06 -0700
                    Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-10-10 07:38 -0400
                      A diversion into iOS vs Android (was Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-10-10 12:42 -0700
                        Re: A diversion into iOS vs Android (was Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-10-10 20:37 -0400
                          Re: A diversion into iOS vs Android (was Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-10-10 18:34 -0700
                            Re: A diversion into iOS vs Android (was Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-10-10 21:42 -0400
                            Re: A diversion into iOS vs Android (was Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-10-11 15:37 -0400
                              Re: A diversion into iOS vs Android (was Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-10-11 13:40 -0700
                                Re: A diversion into iOS vs Android (was Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-10-11 16:55 -0400
                                  Re: A diversion into iOS vs Android (was Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-10-12 12:06 -0700
                                    Re: A diversion into iOS vs Android (was Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-10-12 15:33 -0400
                                      Re: A diversion into iOS vs Android (was Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-10-12 12:54 -0700
                                        Re: A diversion into iOS vs Android (was Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-10-12 16:19 -0400
                                          Re: A diversion into iOS vs Android (was Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-10-12 13:49 -0700
                                          Re: A diversion into iOS vs Android (was Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-13 00:47 +0000
                        Re: A diversion into iOS vs Android (was Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-10-11 07:41 -0400
                          Re: A diversion into iOS vs Android (was Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-10-11 13:44 -0700
                            Re: A diversion into iOS vs Android (was Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-10-11 16:57 -0400
                              Re: A diversion into iOS vs Android (was Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-12 04:23 +0000
                                Re: A diversion into iOS vs Android (was Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-10-12 00:29 -0400
                                Re: A diversion into iOS vs Android (was Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-10-12 07:07 -0400
                                  Re: A diversion into iOS vs Android (was Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-10-12 07:11 -0400
                                    Re: A diversion into iOS vs Android (was Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-10-12 07:51 -0400
                                  Re: A diversion into iOS vs Android (was Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-12 18:54 +0000
                              Re: A diversion into iOS vs Android (was Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-10-12 12:07 -0700
                            Re: A diversion into iOS vs Android (was Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-10-11 21:25 -0400
                          Re: A diversion into iOS vs Android (was Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-10-11 21:12 -0400
                            Re: A diversion into iOS vs Android (was Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-10-12 12:09 -0700
                    Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-10-10 12:17 -0400
                      Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-10-10 12:43 -0700
                        Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-10-11 07:49 -0400
                          Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-10-11 13:45 -0700
                  Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-10-10 07:29 -0400
                    Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-10 20:24 +0000
                      Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-10-10 20:40 -0400
                      Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-10-10 18:35 -0700
              Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix WolfFan <akwolffan@zoho.com> - 2026-10-09 18:36 -0400
              Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-10-10 12:13 -0400
                Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-10 20:21 +0000
                Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-10-10 20:36 -0400
                  Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-11 03:57 +0000
          Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix Nick Charles <none@none.none> - 2026-10-10 01:08 +0000
            Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-10-09 22:27 -0400
          Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-10 20:14 +0000
        Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-10-09 17:44 +0000
          Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-10 20:16 +0000
            Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-10-10 21:32 +0000
              Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-10 23:03 +0000
                Re: THE Reason Why Apple MacOS IS Unix (was: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix) Nick Charles <none@none.none> - 2026-10-11 00:18 +0000
                  Re: THE Reason Why Apple MacOS IS Unix (was: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-11 00:41 +0000
                    Re: THE Reason Why Apple MacOS IS Unix Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-10-10 18:38 -0700
                    Re: THE Reason Why Apple MacOS IS Unix Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-10-11 15:13 +0000
                      Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-11 21:34 +0000
                        Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-10-11 22:12 +0000
                        Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-10-11 21:27 -0400
                        Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-10-12 12:10 -0700
                Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-10-10 18:37 -0700
                Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-10-11 15:06 +0000
                  Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-11 21:40 +0000
                    Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-10-11 23:12 +0000
                      Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-10-11 19:26 -0400
                        Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-10-12 00:12 +0000
                          Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-10-11 20:23 -0400
                            Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-10-12 04:58 +0000
                              Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-10-12 03:02 -0400
                    Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-10-12 12:59 -0700
                      Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-10-12 16:21 -0400
                        Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-10-12 13:50 -0700
                          Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-10-12 16:56 -0400
                        Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-13 00:35 +0000
            Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-10-10 18:35 -0700
    Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-20 08:04 +0000
      Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-10-20 08:48 -0700
        Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix John Bokma <contact@johnbokma.com> - 2026-10-20 18:06 +0200
          Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-20 23:19 +0000
            Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-10-20 16:44 -0700
            Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-10-20 19:49 -0400
            Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix Nick Charles <none@none.none> - 2026-10-21 00:51 +0000
              Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-21 05:42 +0000
                Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-10-21 00:42 -0700
                Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-10-21 06:23 -0400
                Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-10-21 12:46 -0700
                  Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-10-21 16:49 -0400
                Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix Nick Charles <none@none.none> - 2026-10-21 22:56 +0000
                  Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-10-21 16:28 -0700
                    Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix Nick Charles <none@none.none> - 2026-10-22 00:00 +0000
                      Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-10-21 17:07 -0700
                      Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-22 02:03 +0000
                        Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-10-21 19:47 -0700
                  Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-22 02:02 +0000

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#723725

From"Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com>
Date2026-10-11 20:23 -0400
Message-ID<11ah99i$34lo1$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#723724
On 10/11/2026 8:12 PM, Brock McNuggets wrote:

>    <http://goo.gl/0wHM> Jul 18 1995 <3uh4b8$be3@news.nevada.edu>
>      -----
>      if DOS were a combo of UNIX and Mac it would be cool.  I
>      just wish we had something that combined the two. In theory
>      that is the way both UNIX and Mac are growing
>      -----
> 
>    <http://goo.gl/EDip> Jul 19 1995 <3ujt0s$535@news.nevada.edu>
>      -----
>      But UNIX does have some advantages over the Mac... a CLI
>      would be a great addition to the Mac.  I would say that
>      between Mac and UNIX you have the best operating systems
>      around.
>      -----
> 
>    <http://goo.gl/vrLf> Aug 10 1995 <40d96e$7ke@news.nevada.edu>
>      -----
>      The Mac is not the end all in computer technology.  Where it
>      fails, UNIX excels. Between the two, there is almost no task
>      that computers would be used for that can not be done.  And
>      one or the other will beat the competition in almost every
>      area.
>      -----


Like in 2009 with Microsoft's "Windows 7 was my idea" ads, I think Apple 
literally could have gotten the idea from you.

-- 
Joel W. Crump

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#723745

FromBrock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com>
Date2026-10-12 04:58 +0000
Message-ID<6acc68e0$0$19$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>
In reply to#723725
On Oct 11, 2026 at 5:23:12 PM MST, ""Joel W. Crump"" wrote
<11ah99i$34lo1$1@dont-email.me>:

> On 10/11/2026 8:12 PM, Brock McNuggets wrote:
> 
>>    <http://goo.gl/0wHM> Jul 18 1995 <3uh4b8$be3@news.nevada.edu>
>>      -----
>>      if DOS were a combo of UNIX and Mac it would be cool.  I
>>      just wish we had something that combined the two. In theory
>>      that is the way both UNIX and Mac are growing
>>      -----
>> 
>>    <http://goo.gl/EDip> Jul 19 1995 <3ujt0s$535@news.nevada.edu>
>>      -----
>>      But UNIX does have some advantages over the Mac... a CLI
>>      would be a great addition to the Mac.  I would say that
>>      between Mac and UNIX you have the best operating systems
>>      around.
>>      -----
>> 
>>    <http://goo.gl/vrLf> Aug 10 1995 <40d96e$7ke@news.nevada.edu>
>>      -----
>>      The Mac is not the end all in computer technology.  Where it
>>      fails, UNIX excels. Between the two, there is almost no task
>>      that computers would be used for that can not be done.  And
>>      one or the other will beat the competition in almost every
>>      area.
>>      -----
> 
> 
> Like in 2009 with Microsoft's "Windows 7 was my idea" ads, I think Apple
> literally could have gotten the idea from you.

Never thought of it that way, but I was calling for a good GUI on UNIX long
before desktop Linux and macOS existed.

On the other hand, I started with the Apple IIe. When I saw the Mac for the
first time -- the silly black and white 9 inch ones which even at the time was
not a great screen -- I knew I was looking a the future. In 1987 I started
teaching computer classes. All the other classes were on Windows / Word
Perfect 5.1 for DOS. I used Macs and this then little-known word processor: MS
Word. I did not know if Microsoft or Apple would be around in 10 years, but I
argued my students should learn THAT. Time proved me right.


-- 
It's impossible for someone who is at war with themselves to be at peace with you.

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#723749

From"Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com>
Date2026-10-12 03:02 -0400
Message-ID<11ai0mu$3bjlc$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#723745
On 10/12/2026 12:58 AM, Brock McNuggets wrote:

>>>     <http://goo.gl/0wHM> Jul 18 1995 <3uh4b8$be3@news.nevada.edu>
>>>       -----
>>>       if DOS were a combo of UNIX and Mac it would be cool.  I
>>>       just wish we had something that combined the two. In theory
>>>       that is the way both UNIX and Mac are growing
>>>       -----
>>>
>>>     <http://goo.gl/EDip> Jul 19 1995 <3ujt0s$535@news.nevada.edu>
>>>       -----
>>>       But UNIX does have some advantages over the Mac... a CLI
>>>       would be a great addition to the Mac.  I would say that
>>>       between Mac and UNIX you have the best operating systems
>>>       around.
>>>       -----
>>>
>>>     <http://goo.gl/vrLf> Aug 10 1995 <40d96e$7ke@news.nevada.edu>
>>>       -----
>>>       The Mac is not the end all in computer technology.  Where it
>>>       fails, UNIX excels. Between the two, there is almost no task
>>>       that computers would be used for that can not be done.  And
>>>       one or the other will beat the competition in almost every
>>>       area.
>>>       -----
>>
>> Like in 2009 with Microsoft's "Windows 7 was my idea" ads, I think Apple
>> literally could have gotten the idea from you.
> 
> Never thought of it that way, but I was calling for a good GUI on UNIX long
> before desktop Linux and macOS existed.
> 
> On the other hand, I started with the Apple IIe. When I saw the Mac for the
> first time -- the silly black and white 9 inch ones which even at the time was
> not a great screen -- I knew I was looking a the future. In 1987 I started
> teaching computer classes. All the other classes were on Windows / Word
> Perfect 5.1 for DOS. I used Macs and this then little-known word processor: MS
> Word. I did not know if Microsoft or Apple would be around in 10 years, but I
> argued my students should learn THAT. Time proved me right.


It illustrates Microsoft's keen interest in making Office a real thing 
for the Mac.  They were always cross-platform-ready, one might imagine 
Apple asking MS to support their meager OS with an Office edition, but I 
bet more so that MS themselves wanted the product to be out there, to 
show that their talents would never be bested just because another 
platform didn't indulge in what Winblows did (in other words, creating a 
rather terrific product, in native macOS code, there just aren't but so 
many of those to choose from ...).

-- 
Joel W. Crump

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#723926

FromAlan <nuh-uh@nope.com>
Date2026-10-12 12:59 -0700
Message-ID<11aje7r$3ui5h$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#723713
On 2026-10-11 14:40, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
> On 11 Oct 2026 15:06:24 GMT, Brock McNuggets wrote:
> 
>> On Oct 10, 2026 at 4:03:18 PM MST, "Lawrence D´Oliveiro" wrote
>> <11aeg7l$254m6$2@dont-email.me>:
>>
>>> On 10 Oct 2026 21:32:37 GMT, Brock McNuggets wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Oct 10, 2026 at 1:16:46 PM MST, "Lawrence D´Oliveiro" wrote
>>>> <11ae6fe$222p3$2@dont-email.me>:
>>>>
>>>>> On 09 Oct 2026 17:44:06 GMT, Brock McNuggets wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Oct 8, 2026 at 6:06:47 PM MST, "Lawrence D´Oliveiro" wrote
>>>>>> <11a9en6$bhbp$10@dont-email.me>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, 09 Oct 2026 00:56:45 +0000, Nick Charles wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yes, MacOS/iOS/iPadOS are all the same Unix OS.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I pointed out elsewhere why they are not. But if course you ran
>>>>>>> away from that, didn’t you?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> They have the same kernel... just as different Linux systems do.
>>>>>> And?
>>>>>
>>>>> And Apple builds the GUI directly into the OS kernel, which is why
>>>>> they are not the same kernel. Unlike Linux, where the GUI lives
>>>>> entirely in userland, not tied into the kernel.
>>>>
>>>> WindowServer for macOS runs in userland.
>>>
>>>  From <https://cleanmymac.com/blog/windowserver-mac-cpu-usage>:
>>>
>>>      Think of [WindowServer] as macOS’s visual manager. It is not
>>>      malware, and you cannot remove it.
>>>
>>> I wonder why you “cannot remove it”, if it is truly entirely separate
>>> from the OS kernel ...
>>
>> That does not mean "Apple builds the GUI directly into the OS
>> kernel".
> 
> I think it does. If it was truly separate from the kernel, it would be
> removable. It’s not removable, therefore it cannot be considered truly
> separate from the kernel. QED.
> 
>>>> Springboard for iOS runs in userland.
>>>
>>>  From <https://apple.fandom.com/wiki/SpringBoard>:
>>>
>>>      Springboard, or Home Screen is the standard application that
>>>      manages the home screen of iOS and iPadOS devices. Other tasks
>>>      include starting WindowServer, launching and bootstrapping
>>>      applications and setting some of the device's settings on startup.
>>>
>>>      A derivative of SpringBoard called Launchpad was introduced in
>>>      Macs starting with Mac OS X Lion.
>>>
>>> So it sounds more like a service manager, not a display server.
>>
>> You are jumping away from your claim:
>>
>>      Apple builds the GUI directly into the OS kernel...
> 
> Well, you were the one who mentioned Springboard, which turned out to
> have nothing to do with the GUI anyway. So are you the one now trying
> to distract from a vacuous argument?
> 
>>> What does “XNU” stand for, again?
>>
>> "XNU" stands for "X is Not Unix"—which is ironic considering macOS
>> is an officially certified UNIX 03 operating system, directly
>> refuting its own acronym.
> 
> Or maybe it isn’t. XNU is a microkernel, not a kernel. Apple builds an
> emulation of the UNIX APIs as a separate layer on top of XNU. Compare
> this with Linux, which implements the UNIX APIs directly at its heart.
> 
> Which one is more worthy to be called “UNIX”, do you think?

First off, XNU is NOT a microkernel. It is a HYBRID kernel.

But what in the world is it that you can get all bent out of shape by 
the fact that "XNU" stands for "X is not Unix" but don't realize that 
something called a "microkernel" is quite obviously part of a greater 
set called "kernels"?

And will you kindly point to anywhere that certifies Linux as Unix?

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#723928

From"Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com>
Date2026-10-12 16:21 -0400
Message-ID<11ajfgn$3v24r$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#723926
On 10/12/2026 3:59 PM, Alan wrote:

> And will you kindly point to anywhere that certifies Linux as Unix?


Who would want that?  It's not a real tech thing.  It's a trademark 
thing.  When it comes to running Unix software, Linux does just fine.

-- 
Joel W. Crump

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#723930

FromAlan <nuh-uh@nope.com>
Date2026-10-12 13:50 -0700
Message-ID<11ajh5u$3vor2$3@dont-email.me>
In reply to#723928
On 2026-10-12 13:21, Joel W. Crump wrote:
> On 10/12/2026 3:59 PM, Alan wrote:
> 
>> And will you kindly point to anywhere that certifies Linux as Unix?
> 
> 
> Who would want that?  It's not a real tech thing.  It's a trademark 
> thing.  When it comes to running Unix software, Linux does just fine.
> 

As does macOS.

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#723931

From"Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com>
Date2026-10-12 16:56 -0400
Message-ID<11ajhhn$3vshc$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#723930
On 10/12/2026 4:50 PM, Alan wrote:

>>> And will you kindly point to anywhere that certifies Linux as Unix?
>>
>> Who would want that?  It's not a real tech thing.  It's a trademark 
>> thing.  When it comes to running Unix software, Linux does just fine.
> 
> As does macOS.


Correct.

-- 
Joel W. Crump

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#723962

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2026-10-13 00:35 +0000
Message-ID<nj5cmhFc9lcU8@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#723928
On Mon, 12 Oct 2026 16:21:42 -0400, Joel W. Crump wrote:

> On 10/12/2026 3:59 PM, Alan wrote:
> 
>> And will you kindly point to anywhere that certifies Linux as Unix?
> 
> 
> Who would want that?  It's not a real tech thing.  It's a trademark
> thing.
>  When it comes to running Unix software, Linux does just fine.

Most of the code I worked with was developed on AIX, which is V7 
certified. There were a few settings in the Makefiles, mostly for included 
libraries but the software ran fine on Linux. Obviously it had to be 
recompiled for x86 but the source didn't need modification. 

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#723643

FromAlan <nuh-uh@nope.com>
Date2026-10-10 18:35 -0700
Message-ID<11aep5p$2878j$3@dont-email.me>
In reply to#723625
On 2026-10-10 13:16, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
> On 09 Oct 2026 17:44:06 GMT, Brock McNuggets wrote:
> 
>> On Oct 8, 2026 at 6:06:47 PM MST, "Lawrence D´Oliveiro" wrote
>> <11a9en6$bhbp$10@dont-email.me>:
>>
>>> On Fri, 09 Oct 2026 00:56:45 +0000, Nick Charles wrote:
>>>
>>>> Yes, MacOS/iOS/iPadOS are all the same Unix OS.
>>>
>>> I pointed out elsewhere why they are not. But if course you ran
>>> away from that, didn’t you?
>>
>> They have the same kernel... just as different Linux systems do.
>> And?
> 
> And Apple builds the GUI directly into the OS kernel, which is why
> they are not the same kernel. Unlike Linux, where the GUI lives
> entirely in userland, not tied into the kernel.

No.

Apple doesn't build any part of the GUI "directly into the OS kernel".

Where did you get that absurd idea.

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#724431

FromLawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid>
Date2026-10-20 08:04 +0000
Message-ID<11b77af$2q4ja$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#723482
On Thu, 8 Oct 2026 23:23:12 -0000 (UTC), I wrote:

> Quite amusing to discover that an app for Iphone that offers a
> Unix-style shell was threatened with removal by Apple
> <https://www.notebookcheck.net/Unix-shell-app-for-iOS-threatened-with-removal-but-Apple-backtracks-on-decision.503414.0.html>.
>
> Given that a command line is kind of an integral part of the Unix
> experience, what does this mean for those who keep insisting that
> “Apple is Unix”?
>
> For added fun, I checked the Apple App Store listing for the app
> <https://apps.apple.com/us/app/ish-shell/id1436902243>, and the
> description says:
>
>     A Linux-like shell on iOS. You can edit files with sed and cat,
>     move them around, and more!
>
> “Linux-like” ... not even a mention of Unix any more ...

For comparison, an Android device comes with actual Unix-type
utilities included as standard.

Today I was moving over a thousand photos I had collected on my cheap
little Samsung phone, over to my main PC. I created a tar archive on
the phone (yes, it includes tar as a standard utility accessible from
the built-in command line) and used the “adb pull” command to bring
that over to the Linux PC via USB.

Another useful tool was sha256sum, which I ran on the tar file at both
ends, to verify that it showed exactly the same hash before and after
the transfer. This gave me confidence that the transferred file was
bit-for-bit identical to the original.

These are the kinds of industrial-strength tools for dealing with
large amounts of data that we take for granted in the world of
Unix-type OSes. What does Apple give you instead?

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#724443

FromAlan <nuh-uh@nope.com>
Date2026-10-20 08:48 -0700
Message-ID<11b82gg$356pr$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#724431
On 2026-10-20 01:04, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
> On Thu, 8 Oct 2026 23:23:12 -0000 (UTC), I wrote:
> 
>> Quite amusing to discover that an app for Iphone that offers a
>> Unix-style shell was threatened with removal by Apple
>> <https://www.notebookcheck.net/Unix-shell-app-for-iOS-threatened-with-removal-but-Apple-backtracks-on-decision.503414.0.html>.
>>
>> Given that a command line is kind of an integral part of the Unix
>> experience, what does this mean for those who keep insisting that
>> “Apple is Unix”?
>>
>> For added fun, I checked the Apple App Store listing for the app
>> <https://apps.apple.com/us/app/ish-shell/id1436902243>, and the
>> description says:
>>
>>      A Linux-like shell on iOS. You can edit files with sed and cat,
>>      move them around, and more!
>>
>> “Linux-like” ... not even a mention of Unix any more ...
> 
> For comparison, an Android device comes with actual Unix-type
> utilities included as standard.
> 
> Today I was moving over a thousand photos I had collected on my cheap
> little Samsung phone, over to my main PC. I created a tar archive on
> the phone (yes, it includes tar as a standard utility accessible from
> the built-in command line) and used the “adb pull” command to bring
> that over to the Linux PC via USB.
> 
> Another useful tool was sha256sum, which I ran on the tar file at both
> ends, to verify that it showed exactly the same hash before and after
> the transfer. This gave me confidence that the transferred file was
> bit-for-bit identical to the original.
> 
> These are the kinds of industrial-strength tools for dealing with
> large amounts of data that we take for granted in the world of
> Unix-type OSes. What does Apple give you instead?

On a Mac, all the tools are either there or installable.

The iPhone was never intended to be a general purpose computing device.

As for the "adb" command, that isn't standard Unix, now is it?

And you can install it just as easily on a Mac as you can on a machine 
running Linux.

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#724444

FromJohn Bokma <contact@johnbokma.com>
Date2026-10-20 18:06 +0200
Message-ID<11b83hi$35lbb$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#724443
On 20/10/2026 17:48, Alan wrote:
> On 2026-10-20 01:04, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
>> On Thu, 8 Oct 2026 23:23:12 -0000 (UTC), I wrote:

[..]

>> These are the kinds of industrial-strength tools for dealing with
>> large amounts of data that we take for granted in the world of
>> Unix-type OSes. What does Apple give you instead?
> 
> On a Mac, all the tools are either there or installable.
> 
> The iPhone was never intended to be a general purpose computing device.
> 
> As for the "adb" command, that isn't standard Unix, now is it?

No, it isn't.

> And you can install it just as easily on a Mac as you can on a machine 
> running Linux.

Yes, it is in Mac Ports:

❯ port search adb
adblock2privoxy @3.0.1 (www, haskell)
     Convert adblock config files to privoxy format

android-platform-tools @36.0.2 (java, devel)
     Platform-Tools for Google Android SDK (adb and fastboot)
:
:


But that's no use with an iPhone. However, you can install ifuse, also 
available as a mac port

❯ port search ifuse
ifuse @1.2.1 (fuse, devel)
     A fuse filesystem to access the contents of iOS devices

and do:

ifuse /mnt/iphone
rsync -r --progress /mnt/iphone/DCIM/ ~/Whatever/

rsync is an industrial strength tool yada yada.

-- 
Static tumblelog generator: https://github.com/john-bokma/tumblelog/
Available as Python or Perl. Example tumblelog: https://plurrrr.com/

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#724453

FromLawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid>
Date2026-10-20 23:19 +0000
Message-ID<11b8su6$3f2td$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#724444
On Tue, 20 Oct 2026 18:06:09 +0200, John Bokma wrote:

> ❯ port search adb
> adblock2privoxy @3.0.1 (www, haskell)
>      Convert adblock config files to privoxy format
>
> android-platform-tools @36.0.2 (java, devel)
>      Platform-Tools for Google Android SDK (adb and fastboot)
>
> But that's no use with an iPhone. However, you can install ifuse, also
> available as a mac port

Source code here <https://github.com/libimobiledevice/ifuse> indicates
it gives only a limited view of your device, unless it’s been
jailbroken. Seems like Apple doesn’t actually natively support any
kind of FUSE API, either.

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#724454

FromBrock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com>
Date2026-10-20 16:44 -0700
Message-ID<1792539845.36C9819A@gmail.com>
In reply to#724453
On Oct 20, 2026 at 4:19 PM, Lawrence D´Oliveiro wrote in
11b8su6$3f2td$1@dont-email.me:
> On Tue, 20 Oct 2026 18:06:09 +0200, John Bokma wrote:
> 
>> ❯ port search adb
>> adblock2privoxy @3.0.1 (www, haskell)
>> Convert adblock config files to privoxy format
>> 
>> android-platform-tools @36.0.2 (java, devel)
>> Platform-Tools for Google Android SDK (adb and fastboot)
>> 
>> But that's no use with an iPhone. However, you can install ifuse,
>> also available as a mac port
> 
> Source code here <https://github.com/libimobiledevice/ifuse> indicates
> it gives only a limited view of your device, unless it's been
> jailbroken. Seems like Apple doesn't actually natively support any
> kind of FUSE API, either.
> 

What if they used to and will again. Then they will reFUSE.

-- 
It's impossible for someone who is at war with themselves to be at
peace with you.

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#724455

FromCrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge>
Date2026-10-20 19:49 -0400
Message-ID<6ad7fdfe$0$24$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>
In reply to#724453
On 2026-10-20 7:19 p.m., Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
> On Tue, 20 Oct 2026 18:06:09 +0200, John Bokma wrote:
> 
>> ❯ port search adb
>> adblock2privoxy @3.0.1 (www, haskell)
>>       Convert adblock config files to privoxy format
>>
>> android-platform-tools @36.0.2 (java, devel)
>>       Platform-Tools for Google Android SDK (adb and fastboot)
>>
>> But that's no use with an iPhone. However, you can install ifuse, also
>> available as a mac port
> 
> Source code here <https://github.com/libimobiledevice/ifuse> indicates
> it gives only a limited view of your device, unless it’s been
> jailbroken. Seems like Apple doesn’t actually natively support any
> kind of FUSE API, either.

I can confirm that last part. It's what prevent the Icedrive software 
from allowing the user to mount the virtual drive on their computer. You 
can bypass it in a very cumbersome way though.

-- 
CrudeSausage
MacBook Air M4 Sky Blue
iPhone 13
Friendly Apple zealot

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#724456

FromNick Charles <none@none.none>
Date2026-10-21 00:51 +0000
Message-ID<HGSdncbqJ7wVkUX3nZ2dnZfqn_GdnZ2d@supernews.com>
In reply to#724453
On Oct 20, 2026 at 7:19:35 PM EDT, "Lawrence D´Oliveiro" <ldo@nz.invalid>
wrote:

> On Tue, 20 Oct 2026 18:06:09 +0200, John Bokma wrote:
> 
>> ❯ port search adb
>> adblock2privoxy @3.0.1 (www, haskell)
>>      Convert adblock config files to privoxy format
>> 
>> android-platform-tools @36.0.2 (java, devel)
>>      Platform-Tools for Google Android SDK (adb and fastboot)
>> 
>> But that's no use with an iPhone. However, you can install ifuse, also
>> available as a mac port
> 
> Source code here <https://github.com/libimobiledevice/ifuse> indicates
> it gives only a limited view of your device, unless it’s been
> jailbroken. Seems like Apple doesn’t actually natively support any
> kind of FUSE API, either.

Fortunately, it is not necessary to jump thru these hoops to move photos from
an iPhone to a Mac. Because Apple UNIX (macOS, iOS and iPadOS) does all of
this automatically.  Any photo you take with your iPhone/iPad will be on all
your other iCloud devices in seconds. Including a Windows PC, if you install
iCloud on it. I have iCloud on my Windows PCs and it works fine. 

But if - in a fit of nostalgia - you want to manually copy stuff from A to B
using the command line, you can probably cobble something together.  

But who needs that when it is all done for you?   Automagically. 

Plus there is the included Files app, where you can connect any iPhone/iPad
using SMB networking to a Windows SMB server or a Mac SMB server or a Linux
SMB server by entering the IP address of the server on your Wi-Fi network. 
Drag and drop (or control-c, control-v) files in both directions. Of course,
Macs can also connect to Windows SMB servers.  On Windows (Home or Pro) all
you have to do is share the drive/folder/whatever you want to share, to make
it available as a network drive.

I do this all the time to get stuff I have DLed on Windows onto Apple
Everything. Connect using the Files app, drill down to
C:/users/username/downloads (or wherever it is) and copy it over. Once you
copy it to one Apple UNIX device, it appears in seconds on every
iPad/iPhone/Mac I have.

Apple UNIX/iCloud FTW!

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#724457

FromLawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid>
Date2026-10-21 05:42 +0000
Message-ID<11b9jbr$3l77q$3@dont-email.me>
In reply to#724456
On Wed, 21 Oct 2026 00:51:20 +0000, Nick Charles wrote:

> On Oct 20, 2026 at 7:19:35 PM EDT, "Lawrence D´Oliveiro"
> <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>
>> Source code here <https://github.com/libimobiledevice/ifuse>
>> indicates it gives only a limited view of your device, unless it’s
>> been jailbroken. Seems like Apple doesn’t actually natively support
>> any kind of FUSE API, either.
>
> Fortunately, it is not necessary to jump thru these hoops to move
> photos from an iPhone to a Mac. Because Apple UNIX (macOS, iOS and
> iPadOS) does all of this automatically.

But your so-called “UNIX” doesn’t seem to provide basic Unix-type
utilities like tar and sha256sum, does it?

> Any photo you take with your
> iPhone/iPad will be on all your other iCloud devices in seconds.

But I don’t want my private stuff finding its way onto some faceless
corporate cloud under the jurisdiction of some foreign nation
currently in thrall to a potentially hostile regime.

> Plus there is the included Files app, where you can connect any
> iPhone/iPad using SMB networking to a Windows SMB server or a Mac
> SMB server or a Linux SMB server by entering the IP address of the
> server on your Wi-Fi network.

I was using USB to do the file transfers. USB 3 does transfers at
multi-gigabit/second rates. How fast is your wi-fi?

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#724458

FromBrock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com>
Date2026-10-21 00:42 -0700
Message-ID<1792568544.C139455E@gmail.com>
In reply to#724457
On Oct 20, 2026 at 10:42 PM, Lawrence D´Oliveiro wrote in
11b9jbr$3l77q$3@dont-email.me:
> On Wed, 21 Oct 2026 00:51:20 +0000, Nick Charles wrote:
> 
>> On Oct 20, 2026 at 7:19:35 PM EDT, "Lawrence D´Oliveiro"
>> <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>> 
>>> Source code here <https://github.com/libimobiledevice/ifuse>
>>> indicates it gives only a limited view of your device, unless it's
>>> been jailbroken. Seems like Apple doesn't actually natively support
>>> any kind of FUSE API, either.
>> 
>> Fortunately, it is not necessary to jump thru these hoops to move
>> photos from an iPhone to a Mac. Because Apple UNIX (macOS, iOS and
>> iPadOS) does all of this automatically.
> 
> But your so-called "UNIX" doesn't seem to provide basic Unix-type
> utilities like tar and sha256sum, does it?

By design. And?
> 
>> Any photo you take with your
>> iPhone/iPad will be on all your other iCloud devices in seconds.
> 
> But I don't want my private stuff finding its way onto some faceless
> corporate cloud under the jurisdiction of some foreign nation
> currently in thrall to a potentially hostile regime.

It is encrypted, but I can see your issue with the current hostile
regime.

>> Plus there is the included Files app, where you can connect any
>> iPhone/iPad using SMB networking to a Windows SMB server or a Mac SMB
>> server or a Linux SMB server by entering the IP address of the server
>> on your Wi-Fi network.
> 
> I was using USB to do the file transfers. USB 3 does transfers at
> multi-gigabit/second rates. How fast is your wi-fi?

Faster... because it is already done before you plug in your cord.



-- 
It's impossible for someone who is at war with themselves to be at
peace with you.

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#724463

FromCrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge>
Date2026-10-21 06:23 -0400
Message-ID<6ad89287$0$24$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>
In reply to#724457
On 2026-10-21 1:42 a.m., Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
> On Wed, 21 Oct 2026 00:51:20 +0000, Nick Charles wrote:
> 
>> On Oct 20, 2026 at 7:19:35 PM EDT, "Lawrence D´Oliveiro"
>> <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> Source code here <https://github.com/libimobiledevice/ifuse>
>>> indicates it gives only a limited view of your device, unless it’s
>>> been jailbroken. Seems like Apple doesn’t actually natively support
>>> any kind of FUSE API, either.
>>
>> Fortunately, it is not necessary to jump thru these hoops to move
>> photos from an iPhone to a Mac. Because Apple UNIX (macOS, iOS and
>> iPadOS) does all of this automatically.
> 
> But your so-called “UNIX” doesn’t seem to provide basic Unix-type
> utilities like tar and sha256sum, does it?

Admittedly, I routinely see people running into the local Apple Store 
and screaming that tar and sha256sum isn't available in MacOS. I think 
they just firebombed the place over it.

>> Any photo you take with your
>> iPhone/iPad will be on all your other iCloud devices in seconds.
> 
> But I don’t want my private stuff finding its way onto some faceless
> corporate cloud under the jurisdiction of some foreign nation
> currently in thrall to a potentially hostile regime.

If you are a person of interest to some foreign nation or a potentially 
hostile regime, they will gather information on you regardless of what 
operating system you use. Linux does not make you immune and there are 
regular examples of this being reported. _Everything_ is compromised, no 
matter how many bearded fat guys with grease-stained shirts are working 
on whatever you install.

>> Plus there is the included Files app, where you can connect any
>> iPhone/iPad using SMB networking to a Windows SMB server or a Mac
>> SMB server or a Linux SMB server by entering the IP address of the
>> server on your Wi-Fi network.
> 
> I was using USB to do the file transfers. USB 3 does transfers at
> multi-gigabit/second rates. How fast is your wi-fi?

Meanwhile, Apple users transfers files to and from devices wirelessly 
and without a second thought as to what the speeds are because 
everything feels instant. If they don't mind using cables, they can now 
transfer at 120Gbps.

-- 
CrudeSausage
MacBook Air M4 Sky Blue
iPhone 13
Friendly Apple zealot

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#724487

FromAlan <nuh-uh@nope.com>
Date2026-10-21 12:46 -0700
Message-ID<11bb4po$8d36$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#724457
On 2026-10-20 22:42, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
> On Wed, 21 Oct 2026 00:51:20 +0000, Nick Charles wrote:
> 
>> On Oct 20, 2026 at 7:19:35 PM EDT, "Lawrence D´Oliveiro"
>> <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> Source code here <https://github.com/libimobiledevice/ifuse>
>>> indicates it gives only a limited view of your device, unless it’s
>>> been jailbroken. Seems like Apple doesn’t actually natively support
>>> any kind of FUSE API, either.
>>
>> Fortunately, it is not necessary to jump thru these hoops to move
>> photos from an iPhone to a Mac. Because Apple UNIX (macOS, iOS and
>> iPadOS) does all of this automatically.
> 
> But your so-called “UNIX” doesn’t seem to provide basic Unix-type
> utilities like tar and sha256sum, does it?

"user@Mac ~ % man tar
Unknown locale, assuming C

...

TAR(1)  General Commands Manual TAR(1)

NAME
      tar - manipulate tape archives"

"

...

MD5(1)  General Commands Manual MD5(1)

NAME
     md5, sha1, sha224, sha256, sha384, sha512, md5sum, sha1sum, 
sha224sum, sha256sum, sha384sum, sha512sum - calculate a message-digest 
fingerprint (checksum) for a file"

The fact that the iPhone is not intended to be used with a command lines 
is irrelevant.



> 
>> Any photo you take with your
>> iPhone/iPad will be on all your other iCloud devices in seconds.
> 
> But I don’t want my private stuff finding its way onto some faceless
> corporate cloud under the jurisdiction of some foreign nation
> currently in thrall to a potentially hostile regime.

iCloud Drive files are completely (and end-to-end) encrypted with keys 
not available to Apple.

As is almost everything with Advanced Data Protection:

<https://support.apple.com/en-us/102651>


> 
>> Plus there is the included Files app, where you can connect any
>> iPhone/iPad using SMB networking to a Windows SMB server or a Mac
>> SMB server or a Linux SMB server by entering the IP address of the
>> server on your Wi-Fi network.
> 
> I was using USB to do the file transfers. USB 3 does transfers at
> multi-gigabit/second rates. How fast is your wi-fi?

And how often is that really important?

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