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Re: How To Speed Startup Of Microsoft Office? Have It Running All The Time!

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On 2025-03-29, Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:
> Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> ["Followup-To:" header set to comp.os.linux.advocacy.]
>
>   Ignored. This - and your response - is about both OSs.
>
>> On 2025-03-28, Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:
> [...]
>
>> The problem with the "memory is there to be used" argument is when devs
>> just then use all your memory, because they think its spare.  But memory
>> that YOUR app takes, is less memory for other apps.
>
>   The "memory is there to be used" argument is about that the *OS*
> should 'use' (allocate) nearly all memory in the machine. Unallocated
> memory is wasted memory. The argument is *not* about applications.
>

I've seen it used in the context of applications elsewhere, on multiple
occasions.

>>						       Sure, use spare RAM
>> for caching, like Linux does, that is better than leaving it idle, but
>> you must be able to DROP the RAM when someone more important needs it.
>
>   That's exactly what I described. If it's still allocated, for example
> for a program whose previous invocation (i.e. process) has ended and
> something needs memory, but there is no unallocated memory left, the
> still allocated memory gets re-used, i.e. the program content gets
> dropped. That's what any sane OS does. That's what BSD Unix did four
> decades ago and what any modern OS still does.
>
>> The problem with this Windows approach, is these processes remain in
>> RAM, regardless of whether you need them or not. This IS a waste
>> because it blocks that RAM from being used for something where it could
>> deliver more of a benefit to the user.
>
>   You're confusing a program with a process. You can drop a program
> which is no longer in use, i.e. has no process associated with it, but
> you can't drop a still 'active' (even if suspended) process (at least
> not without the cooperation of the process/program).
>

If a program preloads itself, it is a running process, which remains
running, as you said, until it decides to terminate.  On the other hand,
caching by the kernel is more dynamic.

>>					  Also, preloading slows boot
>> time.
>
>   The article referenced in the OP doesn't give any details on this
> particular 'Startup Boost task'. As it's a scheduled task, it can only
> run *after* boot. so it doesn't slow *boot* time. Considering how other
> similar tasks work, they normally run after login (no use having a
> user-level program when there's no user) and are normally schedulled
> with a delay. As noted in the article, the 'Startup Boost task' will not
> be enabled on small (less than 8GB) memory systems and can be disabled
> by an option in Word (Word only?).
>
>>        Swapping it out is counter productive.  The best optimisation is
>> slimming the program down.
>
>   Yes, paging or swapping is the last resort when memory pressure is
> (too) high.
>
>> Linux does the right thing here IMO.  Store what has been accessed from
>> the filesystem in RAM, but drop it when needed.
>
>   Windows - and, as Paul noted, all other OSs - does the exact same
> thing.

I may be a little out of date. I recall stuff like this back in the mid
2000's, so maybe I'm misreading how things are working today.

I do know, from practical experience, having the exact same laptop at
work with Window 10 and with Debian at home, that Windows in general
seems to perform worse.  There are other variables at play here, of
course.

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How To Speed Startup Of Microsoft Office? Have It Running All The Time! Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-27 21:30 +0000
  Re: How To Speed Startup Of Microsoft Office? Have It Running All The Time! Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-27 17:31 -0400
    Re: How To Speed Startup Of Microsoft Office? Have It Running All The Time! Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-03-27 21:43 -0400
      Re: How To Speed Startup Of Microsoft Office? Have It Running All The Time! pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2025-03-28 02:15 +0000
      Re: How To Speed Startup Of Microsoft Office? Have It Running All The Time! candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2025-04-09 19:00 +0000
  Re: How To Speed Startup Of Microsoft Office? Have It Running All The Time! CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-03-27 22:07 -0400
    Re: How To Speed Startup Of Microsoft Office? Have It Running All The Time! Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-28 04:49 +0000
      Re: How To Speed Startup Of Microsoft Office? Have It Running All The Time! vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-03-28 05:20 +0000
      Re: How To Speed Startup Of Microsoft Office? Have It Running All The Time! CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-03-28 08:27 -0400
        Re: How To Speed Startup Of Microsoft Office? Have It Running All The Time! Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-28 20:41 +0000
          Re: How To Speed Startup Of Microsoft Office? Have It Running All The Time! CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-03-28 17:35 -0400
  Re: How To Speed Startup Of Microsoft Office? Have It Running All The Time! Peter Johnson <peter@parksidewood.nospam> - 2025-03-28 16:23 +0000
    Re: How To Speed Startup Of Microsoft Office? Have It Running All The Time! Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-03-28 18:58 +0000
      Re: How To Speed Startup Of Microsoft Office? Have It Running All The Time! Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> - 2025-03-28 19:52 +0000
      Re: How To Speed Startup Of Microsoft Office? Have It Running All The Time! Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-03-28 17:00 -0400
        Re: How To Speed Startup Of Microsoft Office? Have It Running All The Time! Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-03-28 20:39 +0000
          Re: How To Speed Startup Of Microsoft Office? Have It Running All The Time! Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-28 21:25 +0000
            Re: How To Speed Startup Of Microsoft Office? Have It Running All The Time! Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-03-29 01:08 -0400
              Re: How To Speed Startup Of Microsoft Office? Have It Running All The Time! Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-29 06:49 +0000
                Re: How To Speed Startup Of Microsoft Office? Have It Running All The Time! Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-03-29 06:25 -0400
                Re: How To Speed Startup Of Microsoft Office? Have It Running All The Time! Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-30 06:21 +0000
                Re: How To Speed Startup Of Microsoft Office? Have It Running All The Time! Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-03-29 10:40 +0000
              Re: How To Speed Startup Of Microsoft Office? Have It Running All The Time! Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-03-29 12:05 +0000
              Re: How To Speed Startup Of Microsoft Office? Have It Running All The Time! vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-03-29 13:14 +0000
                Re: How To Speed Startup Of Microsoft Office? Have It Running All The Time! Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-03-29 11:46 -0400
                Re: How To Speed Startup Of Microsoft Office? Have It Running All The Time! Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-31 06:18 +0000
            Re: How To Speed Startup Of Microsoft Office? Have It Running All The Time! Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-03-29 10:35 +0000
              Re: How To Speed Startup Of Microsoft Office? Have It Running All The Time! Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-30 06:22 +0000
          Re: How To Speed Startup Of Microsoft Office? Have It Running All The Time! Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-03-29 00:55 +0000
            Re: How To Speed Startup Of Microsoft Office? Have It Running All The Time! Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-03-29 11:17 +0000
              Re: How To Speed Startup Of Microsoft Office? Have It Running All The Time! Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-03-29 11:58 +0000
                Re: How To Speed Startup Of Microsoft Office? Have It Running All The Time! Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-03-30 14:39 +0000
      Re: How To Speed Startup Of Microsoft Office? Have It Running All The Time! Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-28 20:40 +0000
        Re: How To Speed Startup Of Microsoft Office? Have It Running All The Time! Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-03-29 11:26 +0000
          Re: How To Speed Startup Of Microsoft Office? Have It Running All The Time! Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-29 22:21 +0000
            Re: How To Speed Startup Of Microsoft Office? Have It Running All The Time! Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-03-30 14:23 +0000

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