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Re: No, Windows doesn't "just work"

From Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com>
Newsgroups comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject Re: No, Windows doesn't "just work"
Date 2015-10-02 00:11 +0000
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On Thu, 01 Oct 2015 23:49:11 +0000, vallor wrote:

> No, Windows 7 does not "just work" -- and Linux runs rings around it
> when it comes to updating or installing the system.
>
Yes, updating with Windows can be a royal PITA!  Installing?  Nah, dead 
simple.
 
> Day-before-yesterday afternoon, I began upgrading my machine from
> Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit to Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit.
>
Which really isn't an upgrade in any sane sense of the word.  To go from 
and end of life product to another version of that same end of life 
product is just idiotic.
 
> Well, I say "upgrade", but when I chose that option in setup, it told me
> to use "Windows anytime upgrade".  (And as we know, that hasn't worked
> for a while now.)
> 
Correct.  That's because Windows 7 is not a supported product.

> So!  I did a custom installation, then merged my old user directory from
> Windows.old to the new user directory.  I had a few bits of software to
> tweak to get them running right, but that wasn't much of a problem.
> 
> The problem was updates.  It took over 24 hours of wall clock time to
> apply all the updates.  It included one BSOD, a few update fixes, and
> some comparisons of update KB numbers with a list I have of those to
> avoid.  (No, Microsoft, you can't put your "telemetry" on my computer.) 
> You'd think Microsoft would have fixed their update system by now,
> because it takes a ridiculous amount of time to do anything non-trivial.
> 
> Also, Win 7 didn't "just work" with my keyboard.  I have a DasKeyboard,
> which Windows didn't recognize, whether it was plugged into a USB 2 or a
> USB 3 port.  I ended up using the on-screen keyboard to get the USB 3
> chipset drivers from ASUS installed, which then let me use the keyboard
> when plugged into a USB 3 port (but not a USB 2 port).
> 
> This is fine until I needed to reboot -- to talk to the bios, I have to
> plug the keyboard into a USB 2 port.  And back and forth I would go as
> it told me to restart after each set of updates.
> A couple of times, it would reboot, then say it was applying updates --
> I'd move the keyboard to a USB 3 port, then it would say "shutting
> down", because that phase of the updates didn't include booting to
> windows immediately.  So I'd move it back, all the while feeling trolled
> by Windows.
> 
> I think it was around the time SP1 got installed that Windows started
> recognizing the keyboard in a USB 2 port.  So I could cease the "ol'
> switcheroo" game I had to play.
>
So the fact that a USB keyboard didn't work is because support for it was 
not in that original installation.  Wow!  Who would a thunk it?
 
> You might wonder why I went through all this pain to get Win 7 Ultimate
> installed.  I figured that I'm not going to be using Win 10, so I might
> as well stick with Win 7 for my gaming -- and one limitation with Home
> Premium is that it would only use 16GB of my 32GB system.
> 
> Also, I was frankly curious about the "official" Microsoft Unix
> services, especially the NFS client.  I was underwhelmed with the
> performance of the latter, as it could barely do 200mbit with my
> Synology NAS.  (Whereas, Linux as an NFS client can do read at a rate
> approaching 800mbit, and write at over 400mbit).
> 
> Windows filesharing seems slow as a dog, whether NFS or SMB.
> 
> Anyway, that's my rant.  Several times through this multi-hour ordeal, I
> wished Windows had a more modern update mechanism -- and I would tell
> myself "Linux would never do this to me."

What gaming doesn't work on W10?  Or are you talking about some very old 
games?




-- 
Lloyd

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No, Windows doesn't "just work" vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2015-10-01 23:49 +0000
  Re: No, Windows doesn't "just work" "A.M" <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-10-01 19:56 -0400
    Re: No, Windows doesn't "just work" "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2015-10-02 09:57 -0400
    Re: No, Windows doesn't "just work" GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-10-02 13:48 -0600
  Re: No, Windows doesn't "just work" Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-10-02 00:11 +0000
    Re: No, Windows doesn't "just work" vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2015-10-03 16:30 +0000
      Re: No, Windows doesn't "just work" Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-10-03 17:23 +0000
      Re: No, Windows doesn't "just work" JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> - 2015-10-03 13:36 -0500
        Re: No, Windows doesn't "just work" Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-10-03 12:12 -0700
        Re: No, Windows doesn't "just work" Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-10-03 19:41 +0000
  Re: No, Windows doesn't "just work" Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2015-10-01 20:48 -0400
    Re: No, Windows doesn't "just work" William Poaster <wp@dev.null> - 2015-10-02 13:42 +0100
      Re: No, Windows doesn't "just work" Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2015-10-02 14:33 +0100
        Re: No, Windows doesn't "just work" "A.M" <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-10-02 10:09 -0400
      Re: No, Windows doesn't "just work" GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-10-02 13:51 -0600
      Re: No, Windows doesn't "just work" ronb <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2015-10-02 20:33 +0000
        Re: No, Windows doesn't "just work" William Poaster <wp@dev.null> - 2015-10-02 22:52 +0100
    Re: No, Windows doesn't "just work" Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2015-10-02 14:31 +0100
      Re: No, Windows doesn't "just work" Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-10-02 15:45 +0000
    Re: No, Windows doesn't "just work" DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-10-02 11:38 -0400
    Re: No, Windows doesn't "just work" GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-10-02 13:50 -0600
  Re: No, Windows doesn't "just work" Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2015-10-02 14:12 +0100
  Re: No, Windows doesn't "just work" Kelsey Bjarnason <kbjarnason@gmail.com> - 2015-10-02 15:12 +0000
    Re: No, Windows doesn't "just work" DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-10-02 11:37 -0400
      Re: No, Windows doesn't "just work" "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2015-10-02 11:46 -0400
        Re: No, Windows doesn't "just work" "A.M" <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-10-02 12:39 -0400
          Re: No, Windows doesn't "just work" GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-10-02 13:54 -0600
      Re: No, Windows doesn't "just work" GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-10-02 13:53 -0600
    Re: No, Windows doesn't "just work" "A.M" <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-10-02 12:32 -0400
    Re: No, Windows doesn't "just work" GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-10-02 13:52 -0600
    Re: No, Windows doesn't "just work" ronb <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2015-10-02 20:36 +0000
      Re: No, Windows doesn't "just work" Kelsey Bjarnason <kbjarnason@gmail.com> - 2015-10-04 00:49 +0000
        Re: No, Windows doesn't "just work" onion knight <onionknight@linuxmail.org> - 2015-10-03 21:05 -0400
          Re: No, Windows doesn't "just work" Kelsey Bjarnason <kbjarnason@gmail.com> - 2015-10-04 02:05 +0000
            Re: No, Windows doesn't "just work" "A.M" <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-10-03 22:44 -0400
              Re: No, Windows doesn't "just work" Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2015-10-04 04:56 +0200
                Re: No, Windows doesn't "just work" Kelsey Bjarnason <kbjarnason@gmail.com> - 2015-10-04 03:46 +0000
                Re: No, Windows doesn't "just work" ronb <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2015-10-04 04:02 +0000
                Re: No, Windows doesn't "just work" Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-10-04 12:18 +0000
                Re: No, Windows doesn't "just work" Kelsey Bjarnason <kbjarnason@gmail.com> - 2015-10-04 15:52 +0000
                Re: No, Windows doesn't "just work" ronb <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2015-10-05 12:34 +0000
                Re: No, Windows doesn't "just work" Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-10-05 09:18 -0700
                Re: No, Windows doesn't "just work" Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2015-10-05 09:32 -0700
                Re: No, Windows doesn't "just work" "A.M" <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-10-05 12:38 -0400
                Re: No, Windows doesn't "just work" chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-10-05 07:50 -0500
                Re: No, Windows doesn't "just work" nom de plume <nomdeplume@stickybit.guru> - 2015-10-05 11:57 -0400
                Re: No, Windows doesn't "just work" Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-10-04 10:18 -0700
                Re: No, Windows doesn't "just work" Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2015-10-04 06:04 +0200
                Re: No, Windows doesn't "just work" ronb <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2015-10-04 03:58 +0000
                Re: No, Windows doesn't "just work" Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2015-10-04 06:17 +0200
                Re: No, Windows doesn't "just work" Lloyd Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2015-10-04 10:15 -0500
                Re: No, Windows doesn't "just work" Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2015-10-04 08:29 -0700
                Re: No, Windows doesn't "just work" Lloyd Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2015-10-04 10:42 -0500
                Re: No, Windows doesn't "just work" Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2015-10-04 08:54 -0700
                Re: No, Windows doesn't "just work" "A.M" <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-10-04 12:46 -0400
                Re: No, Windows doesn't "just work" Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-10-04 09:46 -0700
                Re: No, Windows doesn't "just work" Lloyd Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2015-10-04 12:10 -0500
                Re: No, Windows doesn't "just work" Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-10-04 10:14 -0700
                Re: No, Windows doesn't "just work" Lloyd Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2015-10-04 12:33 -0500
                Re: No, Windows doesn't "just work" Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-10-04 11:01 -0700
                Re: No, Windows doesn't "just work" Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2015-10-04 13:18 -0700
                Re: No, Windows doesn't "just work" Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-10-04 10:22 -0700
                Re: No, Windows doesn't "just work" Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-10-04 10:27 -0700
                Re: No, Windows doesn't "just work" Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-10-04 10:19 -0700
                Re: No, Windows doesn't "just work" Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-10-04 10:21 -0700
            Re: No, Windows doesn't "just work" Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2015-10-04 04:56 +0200
              Re: No, Windows doesn't "just work" ronb <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2015-10-04 03:57 +0000
                Re: No, Windows doesn't "just work" Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-10-04 12:19 +0000
                Re: No, Windows doesn't "just work" "A.M" <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-10-04 12:04 -0400
                Re: No, Windows doesn't "just work" Lloyd Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2015-10-04 11:13 -0500
                Re: No, Windows doesn't "just work" awoolmeyer@gmail.com - 2015-10-04 13:19 -0700
                Re: No, Windows doesn't "just work" Lloyd Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2015-10-04 15:40 -0500
                Re: No, Windows doesn't "just work" Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-10-04 10:20 -0700
          Re: No, Windows doesn't "just work" JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> - 2015-10-04 10:28 -0500
            Re: No, Windows doesn't "just work" Lloyd Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2015-10-04 10:45 -0500
  Re: No, Windows doesn't "just work" ronb <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2015-10-02 20:32 +0000
    Re: No, Windows doesn't "just work" Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-10-02 21:27 +0000
  Re: No, Windows doesn't "just work" awoolmeyer@gmail.com - 2015-10-04 13:10 -0700

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