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| From | Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | comp.os.linux.advocacy |
| Subject | Re: Better breakdown of OS/browser share |
| Date | 2015-09-04 20:38 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <d4udpiF1834U7@mid.individual.net> (permalink) |
| References | (17 earlier) <mscs7k$9l7$1@dont-email.me> <d4ub00FiqsU2@mid.individual.net> <ac8194d0-e8ed-4838-a2ad-00fbd23ddb8a@googlegroups.com> <d4ucorF1834U2@mid.individual.net> <09ffb21d-0b99-479d-9f9a-1c0d5bb8d4f8@googlegroups.com> |
On Fri, 04 Sep 2015 13:28:36 -0700, Steve Carroll wrote: > On Friday, September 4, 2015 at 2:20:47 PM UTC-6, Lloyd Parsons wrote: >> On Fri, 04 Sep 2015 13:11:47 -0700, Steve Carroll wrote: >> >> > On Friday, September 4, 2015 at 1:50:27 PM UTC-6, Lloyd Parsons >> > wrote: >> >> On Fri, 04 Sep 2015 15:44:36 -0400, A.M wrote: >> >> >> >> > On 2015-09-04 1:03 PM, Snit wrote: >> >> >> On 9/4/15, 9:57 AM, in article mscief$3q2$1@dont-email.me, "A.M" >> >> >> <.m@nsn.s> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >>> On 2015-09-04 11:55 AM, cc wrote: >> >> >>>> On Friday, September 4, 2015 at 10:49:23 AM UTC-4, A.M wrote: >> >> >>>>> On 2015-09-04 10:39 AM, cc wrote: >> >> >>>>>> On Friday, September 4, 2015 at 10:20:09 AM UTC-4, A.M wrote: >> >> >>>>>>> On 2015-09-04 8:53 AM, DFS wrote: >> >> >>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>> Also, US is #1 in higher education >> >> >>>>>>>> http://www.universitas21.com/article/projects/details/152/ u21- >> >> ranking-of- >> >> >>>>>>>> national-higher-education-systems >> >> >>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>> It's the envy of the world. >> >> >>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>> Well, higher education is not a fair representation for me >> >> >>>>>>> since higher education in the United States involves places >> >> >>>>>>> like Harvard and Yale which are very exclusive to the best >> >> >>>>>>> of the best from every country. >> >> >>>>>> >> >> >>>>>> And also involves places like Kaplan University and >> >> >>>>>> everything in between. Even the not so best of the best can >> >> >>>>>> attend. In the US roughly 70% of people at least enroll in a >> >> >>>>>> college after high school currently. >> >> >>>>>> Not all are able to finish of course, but the opportunity is >> >> >>>>>> there. >> >> >>>>>> That's hardly exclusive. >> >> >>>>> >> >> >>>>> Not everyone can afford the tuition that Harvard and Yale >> >> >>>>> demand so yeah, it's pretty exclusive. >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> Harvard and Yale are, yes. But higher education itself, is not. >> >> >>> >> >> >>> I'm curious then. Here in Quebec at least, tuition to our >> >> >>> university is about $2,000 (including books) per semester. Its >> >> >>> affordability (even the internationally-reknowned schools like >> >> >>> McGill University) means that a lot of people apply and that the >> >> >>> best are chosen but that a lot of lesser students get schooling >> >> >>> as well. As far as I know, the highest tuition you will pay here >> >> >>> in Canada in general is about $8,000 per semester. Does ANY >> >> >>> university in the University cost $8,000 or less? >> >> >> >> >> >> <http://www.mybudget360.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/tuition- >> housing- >> >> cpi1. >> >> >> jpg> OR <http://goo.gl/SlnFhr> >> >> >> ... >> >> > >> >> > If you exclude those who can't afford it from getting a higher >> >> > education then you're essentially saying that only those from >> >> > fairly wealthy families where the parents are well-educated can >> >> > get into University. Genetically and socially, they are already a >> >> > lot more intelligent than the absolute _everyone_ who can study >> >> > here. >> >> > >> >> > We're a lot more fair, you're a lot more exclusive whether anyone >> >> > likes it or not. In the end, our general population is more >> >> > educated as a result of how accessible it still is. >> >> >> >> While being a bit better off financially makes it easier to afford >> >> higher education here, it is not all that difficult for those of >> >> lesser means. Loans and grants are all over the place to help, and >> >> there are many that also work their way through college. It isn't a >> >> lack of money that keeps some from doing it, it is more a lack of >> >> fortitude and willingness to explore all the options. >> > >> > >> > I agree. >> >> The big problem with the loans is twofold. >> 1. Why are big loans available for degrees in fields that just don't >> pay enough to make paying them back viable? That really needs to be >> looked at. > > At the end of the day it's the responsibility of the consumer, some of > them have no clue about how things are in the real world when they going > for that history degree. Then you tell, well, maybe you can veer towards > the law, water/lands rights, etc. and they cringe. WTF do they think > they were buying? > > >> 2. When some loans become just not payable then there should be some >> way to get them forgiven or some modifications. In the past there were >> some teaching jobs, Peace Corps and other service that could forgive at >> least portions of those loans. >> >> But it really all comes back to #1. Getting a fat loan for a degree in >> underwater basketweaving is just pure idiocy! > > Exactly. > > >> Well, make that 3-fold! :) >> Tighten up the amount of the loans by quite a bit. These schools have >> no incentive to tighten their belts as long as fat loans to students >> will cover the costs. IOW, the cost at all too many schools is just >> pure fantasy not seen anywhere else but on a hospital bills fictions. > > That's a scary analogy... but the 'no incentive' point makes sense. Think about this. The rapid increase in medical costs didn't really start until all the health insurance started showing up. And that is for a simple reason. If the cost had risen as fast as it has without the insurance companies, it would have rapidly dropped and then risen much more slowly if you and I had to pay that bill out of our pockets. Little incentive these days to hold the hospitals medical staff more financially responsible by examining every fictional bill they send you. -- Lloyd
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Better breakdown of OS/browser share Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2015-09-02 03:00 +0200
Re: Better breakdown of OS/browser share owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-09-02 01:35 +0000
Re: Better breakdown of OS/browser share "A.M" <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-09-02 09:11 -0400
Re: Better breakdown of OS/browser share owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-09-02 14:52 +0000
Re: Better breakdown of OS/browser share Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2015-09-02 16:53 +0200
Re: Better breakdown of OS/browser share "A.M" <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-09-02 11:43 -0400
Re: Better breakdown of OS/browser share Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-09-02 17:53 +0200
Re: Better breakdown of OS/browser share owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-09-02 15:59 +0000
Re: Better breakdown of OS/browser share Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2015-09-02 18:07 +0200
Re: Better breakdown of OS/browser share "A.M" <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-09-02 13:10 -0400
Re: Better breakdown of OS/browser share owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-09-02 17:16 +0000
Re: Better breakdown of OS/browser share "A.M" <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-09-02 13:20 -0400
Re: Better breakdown of OS/browser share owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-09-02 17:24 +0000
Re: Better breakdown of OS/browser share Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-09-02 19:17 +0200
Re: Better breakdown of OS/browser share chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-09-02 11:21 -0500
Re: Better breakdown of OS/browser share ronb <ronbNOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2015-09-02 16:36 +0000
Re: Better breakdown of OS/browser share owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-09-02 15:56 +0000
Re: Better breakdown of OS/browser share Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2015-09-02 18:05 +0200
Re: Better breakdown of OS/browser share DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-09-02 20:46 -0400
Re: Better breakdown of OS/browser share "A.M" <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-09-03 09:08 -0400
Re: Better breakdown of OS/browser share Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2015-09-03 15:53 +0200
Re: Better breakdown of OS/browser share chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-09-03 09:08 -0500
Re: Better breakdown of OS/browser share DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-09-03 10:24 -0400
DumFSck's idiocy chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-09-03 09:40 -0500
Re: DumFSck's idiocy Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-09-03 15:02 +0000
Re: Better breakdown of OS/browser share GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-09-03 12:28 -0600
Re: Better breakdown of OS/browser share Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2015-09-04 00:24 +0200
Re: Better breakdown of OS/browser share "A.M" <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-09-02 13:09 -0400
Re: Better breakdown of OS/browser share owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-09-02 17:22 +0000
Re: Better breakdown of OS/browser share "A.M" <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-09-02 17:45 -0400
Re: Better breakdown of OS/browser share owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-09-03 10:03 +0000
Re: Better breakdown of OS/browser share "A.M" <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-09-03 09:17 -0400
Re: Better breakdown of OS/browser share owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-09-03 13:35 +0000
Re: Better breakdown of OS/browser share "A.M" <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-09-03 10:42 -0400
Re: Better breakdown of OS/browser share owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-09-03 15:25 +0000
Re: Better breakdown of OS/browser share "A.M" <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-09-03 12:55 -0400
Re: Better breakdown of OS/browser share Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-09-03 09:31 -0700
Re: Better breakdown of OS/browser share Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-09-03 16:42 +0000
Re: Better breakdown of OS/browser share DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-09-03 09:26 -0400
Re: Better breakdown of OS/browser share "A.M" <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-09-03 10:39 -0400
Re: Better breakdown of OS/browser share Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-09-03 15:04 +0000
Re: Better breakdown of OS/browser share "A.M" <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-09-03 12:52 -0400
Re: Better breakdown of OS/browser share Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-09-03 17:02 +0000
Re: Better breakdown of OS/browser share "A.M" <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-09-03 17:00 -0400
Re: Better breakdown of OS/browser share "A.M" <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-09-03 20:56 -0400
Re: Better breakdown of OS/browser share DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-09-04 08:53 -0400
Re: Better breakdown of OS/browser share "A.M" <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-09-04 10:20 -0400
Re: Better breakdown of OS/browser share cc <scatnubbs@hotmail.com> - 2015-09-04 07:39 -0700
Re: Better breakdown of OS/browser share "A.M" <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-09-04 10:49 -0400
Re: Better breakdown of OS/browser share cc <scatnubbs@hotmail.com> - 2015-09-04 08:55 -0700
Re: Better breakdown of OS/browser share Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-09-04 09:19 -0700
Re: Better breakdown of OS/browser share "A.M" <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-09-04 12:58 -0400
Re: Better breakdown of OS/browser share Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-09-04 10:11 -0700
Re: Better breakdown of OS/browser share "A.M" <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-09-04 12:57 -0400
Re: Better breakdown of OS/browser share Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-09-04 10:03 -0700
Re: Better breakdown of OS/browser share "A.M" <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-09-04 15:44 -0400
Re: Better breakdown of OS/browser share Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-09-04 19:50 +0000
Re: Better breakdown of OS/browser share Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-09-04 12:58 -0700
Re: Better breakdown of OS/browser share Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-09-04 20:11 +0000
Re: Better breakdown of OS/browser share Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-09-04 13:17 -0700
Re: Better breakdown of OS/browser share Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-09-04 20:27 +0000
Re: Better breakdown of OS/browser share Hoppy Hopkins <hopster86u4me@surferb.net> - 2015-09-04 18:28 -0400
Re: Better breakdown of OS/browser share Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2015-09-04 13:21 -0700
Re: Better breakdown of OS/browser share Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-09-04 20:33 +0000
Re: Better breakdown of OS/browser share Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2015-09-04 13:46 -0700
Re: Better breakdown of OS/browser share Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2015-09-04 14:49 -0700
Re: Better breakdown of OS/browser share Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2015-09-04 16:34 -0700
Re: Better breakdown of OS/browser share Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2015-09-04 16:37 -0700
Re: Better breakdown of OS/browser share DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-09-04 20:18 -0400
Re: Better breakdown of OS/browser share Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2015-09-04 17:40 -0700
Re: Better breakdown of OS/browser share "A.M" <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-09-04 21:18 -0400
Re: Better breakdown of OS/browser share "A.M" <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-09-05 09:53 -0400
Re: Better breakdown of OS/browser share Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-09-05 11:11 -0700
Re: Better breakdown of OS/browser share DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-09-05 10:21 -0400
Re: Better breakdown of OS/browser share Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2015-09-05 08:09 -0700
Re: Better breakdown of OS/browser share DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-09-05 11:42 -0400
Re: Better breakdown of OS/browser share Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2015-09-05 08:46 -0700
Re: Better breakdown of OS/browser share DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-09-05 11:54 -0400
Re: Better breakdown of OS/browser share "A.M" <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-09-05 16:05 -0400
Re: Better breakdown of OS/browser share hifye <hifye@humanoid.net> - 2015-09-05 11:58 -0400
Re: Better breakdown of OS/browser share Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-09-05 11:10 -0700
Re: Better breakdown of OS/browser share "A.M" <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-09-05 16:02 -0400
Re: Better breakdown of OS/browser share Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2015-09-05 14:20 -0700
Re: Better breakdown of OS/browser share "A.M" <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-09-05 16:00 -0400
Re: Better breakdown of OS/browser share -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2015-09-05 13:51 -0700
Re: Better breakdown of OS/browser share Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2015-09-05 14:12 -0700
Re: Better breakdown of OS/browser share Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2015-09-04 13:11 -0700
Re: Better breakdown of OS/browser share Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-09-04 20:20 +0000
Re: Better breakdown of OS/browser share Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-09-04 13:24 -0700
Re: Better breakdown of OS/browser share Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-09-04 20:30 +0000
Re: Better breakdown of OS/browser share Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2015-09-04 13:36 -0700
Re: Better breakdown of OS/browser share Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2015-09-04 13:28 -0700
Re: Better breakdown of OS/browser share Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-09-04 20:38 +0000
Re: Better breakdown of OS/browser share Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2015-09-04 13:49 -0700
Re: Better breakdown of OS/browser share Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-09-04 14:00 -0700
Re: Better breakdown of OS/browser share Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-09-04 12:56 -0700
Re: Better breakdown of OS/browser share "A.M" <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-09-04 16:29 -0400
Re: Better breakdown of OS/browser share Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-09-04 20:35 +0000
Re: Better breakdown of OS/browser share "A.M" <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-09-04 18:24 -0400
Re: Better breakdown of OS/browser share "A.M" <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-09-04 18:42 -0400
Re: Better breakdown of OS/browser share "A.M" <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-09-04 18:43 -0400
Re: Better breakdown of OS/browser share "A.M" <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-09-04 21:17 -0400
Re: Better breakdown of OS/browser share "A.M" <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-09-04 21:50 -0400
Re: Better breakdown of OS/browser share "A.M" <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-09-05 09:51 -0400
Re: Better breakdown of OS/browser share Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-09-05 10:12 -0700
Re: Better breakdown of OS/browser share Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2015-09-05 11:24 -0700
Re: Better breakdown of OS/browser share "A.M" <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-09-05 16:09 -0400
Re: Better breakdown of OS/browser share "A.M" <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-09-04 21:57 -0400
Re: Better breakdown of OS/browser share Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2015-09-04 14:28 -0700
Re: Better breakdown of OS/browser share cc <scatnubbs@hotmail.com> - 2015-09-10 05:16 -0700
Re: Better breakdown of OS/browser share "A.M" <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-09-10 10:26 -0400
Re: Better breakdown of OS/browser share "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2015-09-10 11:38 -0400
Re: Better breakdown of OS/browser share "A.M" <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-09-10 12:02 -0400
Re: Better breakdown of OS/browser share cc <scatnubbs@hotmail.com> - 2015-09-10 09:16 -0700
Re: Better breakdown of OS/browser share "A.M" <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-09-10 14:53 -0400
Re: Better breakdown of OS/browser share Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2015-09-01 18:46 -0700
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