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  dictation without internet? crankypuss <undisclosedUserid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-11 15:48 -0600
    Re: dictation without internet? "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@invalid.es> - 2016-09-12 00:48 +0200
      Re: TTS on GPS (was: dictation without internet?) "W. Wesley Groleau" <Groleau+News@FreeShell.org> - 2016-09-11 22:12 -0500
        Re: TTS on GPS "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@invalid.es> - 2016-09-12 14:16 +0200
          Re: TTS on GPS Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2016-09-13 10:30 +0000
      Re: dictation without internet? crankypuss <undisclosedUserid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-12 10:36 -0600
        Re: dictation without internet? "W. Wesley Groleau" <Groleau+News@FreeShell.org> - 2016-09-12 16:29 -0500
          Re: dictation without internet? crankypuss <undisclosedUserid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-13 09:34 -0600
    Re: dictation without internet? VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2016-09-12 01:06 -0500
      Re: dictation without internet? Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> - 2016-09-12 07:54 +0000
        Re: dictation without internet? "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@invalid.es> - 2016-09-12 14:19 +0200
          Re: dictation without internet? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-09-12 17:01 +0000
            Re: dictation without internet? "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@invalid.es> - 2016-09-12 20:23 +0200
              Re: dictation without internet? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-09-12 19:35 +0000
        Re: dictation without internet? VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2016-09-13 02:42 -0500
      Re: dictation without internet? crankypuss <undisclosedUserid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-12 10:50 -0600
        Re: dictation without internet? "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@invalid.es> - 2016-09-12 20:30 +0200
    Re: dictation without internet? VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2016-09-13 03:02 -0500
      Re: dictation without internet? crankypuss <undisclosedUserid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-13 09:43 -0600
        Re: dictation without internet? VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2016-09-13 15:00 -0500
          Re: dictation without internet? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-09-13 21:02 +0000
            Re: dictation without internet? crankypuss <undisclosedUserid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-14 07:27 -0600
          Re: dictation without internet? crankypuss <undisclosedUserid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-14 07:26 -0600
      Re: dictation without internet? Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2016-09-14 09:04 +0200
        Re: dictation without internet? VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2016-09-14 03:00 -0500
          Re: dictation without internet? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-09-14 16:22 +0000
          Re: dictation without internet? "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@invalid.es> - 2016-09-15 02:34 +0200
            Re: dictation without internet? crankypuss <undisclosedUserid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-15 05:21 -0600
              Re: dictation without internet? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2016-09-15 19:38 +0000
                Re: dictation without internet? crankypuss <undisclosedUserid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-16 04:37 -0600
                  Re: dictation without internet? dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2016-09-17 01:11 +1200
                    Re: dictation without internet? crankypuss <undisclosedUserid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-17 08:02 -0600
                      Re: dictation without internet? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-09-17 17:49 +0000
                        Re: dictation without internet? crankypuss <undisclosedUserid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-21 11:48 -0600
                          Re: dictation without internet? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-09-22 00:04 +0000
                            Re: dictation without internet? crankypuss <undisclosedUserid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-22 04:23 -0600
                              Re: dictation without internet? "W. Wesley Groleau" <Groleau+News@FreeShell.org> - 2016-09-22 10:50 -0500
                              Re: dictation without internet? "W. Wesley Groleau" <Groleau+News@FreeShell.org> - 2016-09-22 10:58 -0500
                                Re: dictation without internet? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-09-22 16:40 +0000
                                Re: dictation without internet? crankypuss <undisclosedUserid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-23 05:12 -0600
                              Re: dictation without internet? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-09-22 16:40 +0000
                                Re: dictation without internet? "W. Wesley Groleau" <Groleau+News@FreeShell.org> - 2016-09-22 16:51 -0500
                                  Re: dictation without internet? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-09-22 18:40 -0400
                                  Re: dictation without internet? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-09-23 05:14 +0000
                                    Re: dictation without internet? "W. Wesley Groleau" <Groleau+News@FreeShell.org> - 2016-09-23 19:56 -0500
                                      Re: dictation without internet? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-09-23 21:03 -0400
                                        Re: dictation without internet? "W. Wesley Groleau" <Groleau+News@FreeShell.org> - 2016-09-24 20:27 -0500
                                          Re: dictation without internet? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-09-24 22:34 -0400
                                          Re: dictation without internet? Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2016-09-24 22:52 -0700
                                            Re: dictation without internet? "W. Wesley Groleau" <Groleau+News@FreeShell.org> - 2016-09-25 17:35 -0500
                                      Re: dictation without internet? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-09-24 01:20 +0000
                                      Re: dictation without internet? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2016-09-24 04:00 +0000
                                Re: dictation without internet? crankypuss <undisclosedUserid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-23 05:20 -0600
                                  Re: dictation without internet? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-09-23 16:48 +0000
                      Re: dictation without internet? dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2016-09-18 12:18 +1200
                Re: dictation without internet? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2016-09-17 20:17 +0000
              Re: dictation without internet? "W. Wesley Groleau" <Groleau+News@FreeShell.org> - 2016-09-15 18:49 -0500
                Re: dictation without internet? crankypuss <undisclosedUserid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-16 04:46 -0600
                  Re: dictation without internet? "W. Wesley Groleau" <Groleau+News@FreeShell.org> - 2016-09-17 15:52 -0500
          Re: dictation without internet? Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2016-09-15 08:40 +0200
            Re: dictation without internet? Ken Hart <kwhart1@frontier.com> - 2016-09-15 15:38 -0400
              Re: dictation without internet? Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2016-09-17 16:02 +0200
          Re: dictation without internet? "W. Wesley Groleau" <Groleau+News@FreeShell.org> - 2016-09-15 18:45 -0500
            Re: dictation without internet? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2016-09-17 20:17 +0000
              Re: dictation without internet? "W. Wesley Groleau" <Groleau+News@FreeShell.org> - 2016-09-17 15:55 -0500
              Re: dictation without internet? VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2016-09-17 16:33 -0500
                Re: dictation without internet? "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@invalid.es> - 2016-09-19 02:18 +0200
        Re: dictation without internet? "W. Wesley Groleau" <Groleau+News@FreeShell.org> - 2016-09-15 18:43 -0500
    Re: dictation without internet? Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2016-09-14 09:08 +0200
      Re: dictation without internet? VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2016-09-14 03:21 -0500
        Re: dictation without internet? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-09-14 16:22 +0000
          Re: dictation without internet? VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2016-09-15 17:09 -0500
            Re: dictation without internet? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2016-09-15 23:20 +0000
              Re: dictation without internet? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-09-16 01:16 +0000
                Re: dictation without internet? "W. Wesley Groleau" <Groleau+News@FreeShell.org> - 2016-09-17 15:59 -0500
                  Re: dictation without internet? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2016-09-17 14:06 -0700
              Re: dictation without internet? crankypuss <undisclosedUserid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-16 04:40 -0600
            Re: dictation without internet? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-09-16 01:14 +0000
      Re: dictation without internet? "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@invalid.es> - 2016-09-19 02:46 +0200
    Re: dictation without internet? J G Miller <miller@yoyo.ORG> - 2016-09-15 01:08 +0000
      Re: dictation without internet? crankypuss <undisclosedUserid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-15 05:31 -0600
        Re: dictation without internet? J G Miller <miller@yoyo.ORG> - 2016-09-15 16:45 +0000
          Re: dictation without internet? crankypuss <undisclosedUserid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-16 04:29 -0600
        Re: dictation without internet? crankypuss <undisclosedUserid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-16 04:21 -0600
          Re: dictation without internet? J G Miller <miller@yoyo.ORG> - 2016-09-16 16:44 +0000
      Re: dictation without internet? "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@invalid.es> - 2016-09-19 03:00 +0200

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#58776

crankypuss <undisclosedUserid@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 09/21/2016 06:04 PM, Jolly Roger wrote:
>> 
>> Bad network connectivity is definitely a problem. Glad I don't have it. If
>> I were living off the grid I'd have *some* sort of connectivity. And I
>> suppose if not, I'd disable Siri (and refrain from holding down the Home
>> button).
> 
> That's great in theory, but if you carry the phone in a back pocket, 
> your ass may not implement that particular kind of restraint.

Sounds like a personal problem. I never put my expensive electronic devices
in any situation where they can be mishandled, including forcing them to
endure all my weight by sitting on them. To me that's a very foolish thing
to do. I treat my expensive electronics with care because I intend to
either resell them for a profit or hand them down to someone else when I am
done with them.

> Sometimes we have decent connectivity, sometimes not.  It seems to vary 
> greatly based on time of day (probably load-related) and atmospheric 
> conditions, higher humidity seems to give better signal strength on our 
> end than when things are dry.  On Verizon's coverage map we're just 
> outside their claimed coverage area.
> 
> Doubtless I would have better connectivity if I moved to a city, but I'd 
> rather live with intermittent connectivity than live in a city.

Realistically, you don't have to live *in* a city to get good network
access - just near one. It's quite possible to have good connectivity
living somewhat far away from a city. It's only when you get really far
away from everything that you start to have problems.

> It just seems way messed up that Apple's flagship mobile os can't cope 
> with bad connectivity conditions and drains the battery trying, they 
> seem to believe everybody lives in Cupertino; been there, have the 
> scars, not going back.  It's not like turning off voice control has 
> never been asked for (cf above link), and it can't be that big change.

Then again, considering it's clearly your choice to spend that much time in
areas with crappy connectivity, how hard is it for you to simply turn on
Airplane mode once you get there, and flip it back off when you leave?

>>> Suggestions for putting a bug in Apple's ear?  
>>
>> If you want to file a big report, you want:
>> 
>> <https://developer.apple.com/bug-reporting/>
> 
> Thanks, but I'm just going to wait and see. 

Then why'd you bother asking?

>> I'm liking iOS 10, overall. Though there are things I dislike. AirPlay
>> seems to only offer mirroring on my iPhone 5 now, which makes playing
>> content on my Apple TV choppy and more problematic than normal. And a
>> couple apps I use obviously need a round of bug fixes. : (
> 
> I'm not seeing that much difference, other than the push-home-button 
> change which is reverted easily enough, 

Not on my iPhone 5, it seems. I now *have* to press the Home button twice
to log in. A minor irritation.

> and the new look for the 
> control-panel and notification-area.  

I like the changes to notifications; but the splitting of the control panel
into separate pages seems arbitrary. It complicates what was otherwise
simple and seems like a step backwards to me. For a day or so after the
upgrade, I thought iOS 20 was limited to only mirroring in AirPlay, until I
realized there was a second control page that had the normal AirPlay
control I needed. I hope they reverse the decision to split it up into
multiple pages, personally.

> And the addition of the Home app, 
> which thankfully can now be disappeared.

I like the Home app, and hope to one day use it with my network cameras. I
like that you can hide some builtin apps too.

> Some things work better, others no worse mostly.  Though I have been 
> seeing some instances of non-response in the Settings app, sometimes it 
> acts hung-up and doesn't notice a tap on a button, but going to Home and 
> back usually breaks it loose; I suspect this is due to some network 
> issue hogging the processor, which indicates some fairly crude code, but 
> it's theirs to solve and not mine.

Airplane mode would likely fix most of your network-related issues.

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#58778

On 09-22-2016 11:40, Jolly Roger wrote:
> like that you can hide some builtin apps too.

It's an improvement, but I'd prefer to delete them.
I am not short on space (yet), but ....

-- 
Wes Groleau

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#58779

In article <ns1jp7$ibh$1@dont-email.me>, W. Wesley Groleau
<Groleau+News@FreeShell.org> wrote:

> > like that you can hide some builtin apps too.
> 
> It's an improvement, but I'd prefer to delete them.
> I am not short on space (yet), but ....

their size is inconsequential.

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#58780

W. Wesley Groleau <Groleau+News@FreeShell.org> wrote:
> On 09-22-2016 11:40, Jolly Roger wrote:
>> like that you can hide some builtin apps too.
> 
> It's an improvement, but I'd prefer to delete them.
> I am not short on space (yet), but ....

There wouldn't be much point since they are relatively small in comparison
to many third-party apps and other data like music and so on. Deleting some
built-in apps results in a degraded user experience anyway, and since other
apps like Contacts are mostly just simple views into data that everyone
expects to be there no matter what, deleting them doesn't do much more than
hide the app anyway. So it's just not a problem in any meaningful way, and
would cause more of a problem than it supposedly solves.

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#58784

On 09-23-2016 00:14, Jolly Roger wrote:
> hide the app anyway. So it's just not a problem in any meaningful way, and
> would cause more of a problem than it supposedly solves.

I highly doubt removing Newstand, small or not, would cause any 
problems.  Or "Home" and "Healthkit," the lack of which before their 
invention caused no problems.

I'd also like to know what problem was solved by removing the compass 
app from GPS-enabled iPads.

-- 
Wes Groleau

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#58785

In article <ns4iut$ncg$1@dont-email.me>, W. Wesley Groleau
<Groleau+News@FreeShell.org> wrote:

> > hide the app anyway. So it's just not a problem in any meaningful way, and
> > would cause more of a problem than it supposedly solves.
> 
> I highly doubt removing Newstand, small or not, would cause any 
> problems. 

it will break codesigning and you won't gain much space anyway.

> Or "Home" and "Healthkit," the lack of which before their 
> invention caused no problems.

and after their invention, all sorts of problems have been solved.

in fact, home is one if the major reasons to upgrade to ios 10 because
third party homekit apps mostly suck. 

> I'd also like to know what problem was solved by removing the compass 
> app from GPS-enabled iPads.

you can't remove what was never there to begin with.

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#58788

On 09-23-2016 20:03, nospam wrote:
> in fact, home is one if the major reasons to upgrade to ios 10 because
> third party homekit apps mostly suck.

When I had a home, I never needed to control it remotely.
Now that I live on the road, even less.

As for health, my providers and I communicate via their medical records 
system, which Apple's API cannot do.

https://www.epic.com/software#PatientEngagement

-- 
Wes Groleau

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#58789

In article <ns7963$4ll$1@dont-email.me>, W. Wesley Groleau
<Groleau+News@FreeShell.org> wrote:

> > in fact, home is one if the major reasons to upgrade to ios 10 because
> > third party homekit apps mostly suck.
> 
> When I had a home, I never needed to control it remotely.
> Now that I live on the road, even less.

fortunately, apple is not influenced by your personal needs.

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#58795

On 2016-09-25 01:27:39 +0000, "W. Wesley Groleau" 
<Groleau+News@FreeShell.org> said:

> On 09-23-2016 20:03, nospam wrote:
>> in fact, home is one if the major reasons to upgrade to ios 10 because
>> third party homekit apps mostly suck.
> 
> When I had a home, I never needed to control it remotely.
> Now that I live on the road, even less.
> 
> As for health, my providers and I communicate via their medical records 
> system, which Apple's API cannot do.
> 
> https://www.epic.com/software#PatientEngagement

Strange, my healthcare providers manage to communicate via the medical 
records system they use, "Healow". Apple's API seems to handle that OK, 
on OSX and iOS, and that seems to interact with other systems such as 
Epic.
<https://healow.com/apps/jsp/webview/index.jsp>

-- 
Regards,

Savageduck

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#58796

On 09-25-2016 00:52, Savageduck wrote:
> On 2016-09-25 01:27:39 +0000, "W. Wesley Groleau"
> <Groleau+News@FreeShell.org> said:
>
>> On 09-23-2016 20:03, nospam wrote:
>>> in fact, home is one if the major reasons to upgrade to ios 10 because
>>> third party homekit apps mostly suck.
>>
>> When I had a home, I never needed to control it remotely.
>> Now that I live on the road, even less.
>>
>> As for health, my providers and I communicate via their medical
>> records system, which Apple's API cannot do.
>>
>> https://www.epic.com/software#PatientEngagement
>
> Strange, my healthcare providers manage to communicate via the medical
> records system they use, "Healow". Apple's API seems to handle that OK,
> on OSX and iOS, and that seems to interact with other systems such as Epic.
> <https://healow.com/apps/jsp/webview/index.jsp>

Perhaps I should check with Epic whether they have finally done that 
interface.  I don't see much point in finding a healow provider just so 
Epic can route data through them to the iPad.  :-)

Odd thing about Epic's MyChart.  I broke an iPad on which I used that. 
Was not able to restore backup onto the new one, but I could not find 
MyChart in my "Purchased" screen, nor in the app store.  I think I found 
some info that you had to get a special link from the provider.

I had not gotten around to doing so, but after the IOS 10 install, 
MyChart appeared on my home screen again!


-- 
Wes Groleau

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#58786

On 2016-09-24, W. Wesley Groleau <Groleau+News@FreeShell.org> wrote:
> On 09-23-2016 00:14, Jolly Roger wrote:
>> hide the app anyway. So it's just not a problem in any meaningful way, and
>> would cause more of a problem than it supposedly solves.
>
> I highly doubt removing Newstand, small or not, would cause any 
> problems.

I didn't say it would.

> Or "Home" and "Healthkit," the lack of which before their 
> invention caused no problems.

Never said that either.

> I'd also like to know what problem was solved by removing the compass 
> app from GPS-enabled iPads.

It was never "removed". It was simply never added. It was never there to
begin with on the iPad.

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#58787

In message <ns4iut$ncg$1@dont-email.me> 
  W. Wesley Groleau <Groleau+News@FreeShell.org> wrote:
> I'd also like to know what problem was solved by removing the compass 
> app from GPS-enabled iPads.

It was not removed.

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#58782

On 09/22/2016 10:40 AM, Jolly Roger wrote:
> crankypuss <undisclosedUserid@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 09/21/2016 06:04 PM, Jolly Roger wrote:
>>>
>>> Bad network connectivity is definitely a problem. Glad I don't have it. If
>>> I were living off the grid I'd have *some* sort of connectivity. And I
>>> suppose if not, I'd disable Siri (and refrain from holding down the Home
>>> button).
>>
>> That's great in theory, but if you carry the phone in a back pocket,
>> your ass may not implement that particular kind of restraint.
>
> Sounds like a personal problem.

Then personally you can go fuck yourself.

> I never put my expensive electronic devices
> in any situation where they can be mishandled, including forcing them to
> endure all my weight by sitting on them. To me that's a very foolish thing
> to do. I treat my expensive electronics with care because I intend to
> either resell them for a profit or hand them down to someone else when I am
> done with them.

I throw my garbage in the trash, or recycle it somehow.  I'm not going 
to bow down and worship some $500 piece of junk, nor am I going to foist 
it off on some innocent.

>
>> Sometimes we have decent connectivity, sometimes not.  It seems to vary
>> greatly based on time of day (probably load-related) and atmospheric
>> conditions, higher humidity seems to give better signal strength on our
>> end than when things are dry.  On Verizon's coverage map we're just
>> outside their claimed coverage area.
>>
>> Doubtless I would have better connectivity if I moved to a city, but I'd
>> rather live with intermittent connectivity than live in a city.
>
> Realistically, you don't have to live *in* a city to get good network
> access - just near one. It's quite possible to have good connectivity
> living somewhat far away from a city. It's only when you get really far
> away from everything that you start to have problems.

It's only when software providers are more interested in reaping the 
dollars of kids who want emojis and constant music that you end up with 
shit situations like this.

>
>> It just seems way messed up that Apple's flagship mobile os can't cope
>> with bad connectivity conditions and drains the battery trying, they
>> seem to believe everybody lives in Cupertino; been there, have the
>> scars, not going back.  It's not like turning off voice control has
>> never been asked for (cf above link), and it can't be that big change.
>
> Then again, considering it's clearly your choice to spend that much time in
> areas with crappy connectivity, how hard is it for you to simply turn on
> Airplane mode once you get there, and flip it back off when you leave?
>

Currently the only way I can keep the thing charged all day is to leave 
Siri on, cellular-data off.  That sucks, imo.

Is Airplane mode better somehow than turning cellular-data off?

>>>> Suggestions for putting a bug in Apple's ear?
>>>
>>> If you want to file a big report, you want:
>>>
>>> <https://developer.apple.com/bug-reporting/>
>>
>> Thanks, but I'm just going to wait and see.
>
> Then why'd you bother asking?

Thought somebody might post their director of software's private email 
address or something, go figure.

>
>>> I'm liking iOS 10, overall. Though there are things I dislike. AirPlay
>>> seems to only offer mirroring on my iPhone 5 now, which makes playing
>>> content on my Apple TV choppy and more problematic than normal. And a
>>> couple apps I use obviously need a round of bug fixes. : (
>>
>> I'm not seeing that much difference, other than the push-home-button
>> change which is reverted easily enough,
>
> Not on my iPhone 5, it seems. I now *have* to press the Home button twice
> to log in. A minor irritation.

Are you sure?  It's in Settings>General>Accessability>Home-button as I 
remember.

>
>> and the new look for the
>> control-panel and notification-area.
>
> I like the changes to notifications; but the splitting of the control panel
> into separate pages seems arbitrary.

It's a pain in the ass that they've added another swipe in order to get 
to the widgets.  They must have teenagers designing these things so they 
can all play pokemon or some shit.

> It complicates what was otherwise
> simple and seems like a step backwards to me. For a day or so after the
> upgrade, I thought iOS 20 was limited to only mirroring in AirPlay, until I
> realized there was a second control page that had the normal AirPlay
> control I needed. I hope they reverse the decision to split it up into
> multiple pages, personally.
>
>> And the addition of the Home app,
>> which thankfully can now be disappeared.
>
> I like the Home app, and hope to one day use it with my network cameras. I
> like that you can hide some builtin apps too.
>
>> Some things work better, others no worse mostly.  Though I have been
>> seeing some instances of non-response in the Settings app, sometimes it
>> acts hung-up and doesn't notice a tap on a button, but going to Home and
>> back usually breaks it loose; I suspect this is due to some network
>> issue hogging the processor, which indicates some fairly crude code, but
>> it's theirs to solve and not mine.
>
> Airplane mode would likely fix most of your network-related issues.
>

Why is "airplane mode" better than turning off cellular-data?

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#58783

On 2016-09-23, crankypuss <undisclosedUserid@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 09/22/2016 10:40 AM, Jolly Roger wrote:
>> crankypuss <undisclosedUserid@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On 09/21/2016 06:04 PM, Jolly Roger wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Bad network connectivity is definitely a problem. Glad I don't have it. If
>>>> I were living off the grid I'd have *some* sort of connectivity. And I
>>>> suppose if not, I'd disable Siri (and refrain from holding down the Home
>>>> button).
>>>
>>> That's great in theory, but if you carry the phone in a back pocket,
>>> your ass may not implement that particular kind of restraint.
>>
>> Sounds like a personal problem.
>
> Then personally you can go fuck yourself.

And you should do whatever helps you feel better, of course.

>> I never put my expensive electronic devices
>> in any situation where they can be mishandled, including forcing them to
>> endure all my weight by sitting on them. To me that's a very foolish thing
>> to do. I treat my expensive electronics with care because I intend to
>> either resell them for a profit or hand them down to someone else when I am
>> done with them.
>
> I throw my garbage in the trash, or recycle it somehow.  I'm not going 
> to bow down and worship some $500 piece of junk, nor am I going to foist 
> it off on some innocent.

Perhaps if you weren't mistreating your electronics, they wouldn't be
"garbage" to throw into the trash. In general, I've found if you keep
your expensive electronics in good condition, you can significantly
offset the cost of new/replacement kit when the time comes rather than
throwing all of it away for zero gain, which seems rather foolish to me.

-- 
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JR

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#58758

crankypuss <undisclosedUserid@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 09/16/2016 07:11 AM, David Empson wrote:
> > crankypuss <undisclosedUserid@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On 09/15/2016 01:38 PM, Lewis wrote:
> >>> In message <nre14u$c14$1@dont-email.me>
> >>>   crankypuss <undisclosedUserid@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>> I asked what I thought was a fairly simple question.  Is such a device
> >>>> available to consumers and where can it be purchased?
> >>>
> >>> No, nothing like that exists.
> >>>
> >>> You need an Internet connection or a desktop computer.
> >>
> >> Forget the internet connection.  I'm one of the few people in the States
> >> who won't shit his pants if the internet suddenly goes away, because my
> >> connectivity is so bad I'm used to working mostly without it.
> >>
> >> The distinction between laptops and desktops is a little blurry to me
> >> today.  If I was to learn, for example, that Apple's Siri worked on a
> >> MacBook with no internet connection, I'd might run flat out of excuses
> >> not to buy one.
> >
> > Siri and dictation are different features. They both involve speech
> > recognition and share support code/data.
> >
> > Assuming you meant dictation, then it can work on a MacBook Pro while it
> > is without Internet. (There is no difference between desktop and laptop
> > Macs in this area.)
> >
> > Siri (the assistant) has not been a feature of the Mac to date. It is
> > one of the major new features in the next OS release (macOS Sierra,
> > version 10.12) which is due next week. Siri requires Internet access.
> >
> > Dictation has been a built-in feature on the Mac for several years (and
> > major OS versions). A few years ago, Apple added an option to download
> > the necessary data for it to operate offline, which currently offers
> > more than 30 languages, including several variants of some (e.g. English
> > has Australia, Canada, UK and US). Some of them are over 1 GB.
> >
> > There is also third party software (e.g. Dragon Dictate), which can
> > operate offline and is better than the built-in dictation as long as you
> > train it.
> 
>  From [http://www.nuancemobilelife.com/support/USA/engusa/dragon-dictation/]
> 
> "Do I need an Internet connection, data plan or WiFi?
> 
> Yes. Your transcribed texts as well as the result list are sent over the
> Internet. You need either a WiFi or iPhone™ data connection. Make sure
> you have internet connectivity before trying to use the application on
> your iPad™ or iPod touch™."
> 
> So what's up with this?

I thought you were asking about dictation on a Mac. That is the mobile
version.

Here is the Mac version:

http://www.nuance.com/for-individuals/by-product/dragon-for-mac/index.htm

I've never considered using it due to the cost. I can type fast enough
that it has never really been an issue.

> >> But I have some trust issues.  I saw the salesman at the Apple store
> >> speak and I saw text come out on the screen, but at the time I knew
> >> nothing about Apple devices and couldn't tell if it was connected or
> >> not.
> >
> > It was probably online as they had good Internet, but it could be done
> > offline if the language pack had been downloaded.
> >
> > Right now I'm typing this by speaking, with no Internet connection.
> 
> Then presumably, according to above website, you're using the MacBook
> Pro's builtin Dictation feature?

Yes.

> > Dictation got that sentence 100% right. I had Wi-Fi turned off on my
> > MacBook Pro so no possibility of data going anywhere.
> >
> > In other tests I've found dictation had too many errors for me to bother
> > with it. I'd rather type.
> 
> Interesting, what's different?

My main problem is it is the wrong language variant. I'm in New Zealand,
and the closest option is English (Australia). That means it doesn't
understand NZ place names, many of which are Maori. It also doesn't
handle technical terms well, and I tend to use them a lot.

It sometimes has trouble with the accent: some vowel sounds are quite
different between NZ and Australia. My accent is not as bad as the
stereotypical NZ lazy speech, e.g. I can hear other people in NZ saying
"fush and chups", but to me, many Australians sound like they are saying
"feesh and cheeps".

-- 
David Empson
dempson@actrix.gen.nz

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#58749

Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
> In message <nre14u$c14$1@dont-email.me> 
>   crankypuss <undisclosedUserid@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I asked what I thought was a fairly simple question.  Is such a device 
> > available to consumers and where can it be purchased?
> 
> No, nothing like that exists.
> 
> You need an Internet connection or a desktop computer.

  Why "a desktop computer"? Why not a laptop, laptop-like device, etc.?

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#58704

On 09-15-2016 06:21, crankypuss wrote:
> In addition to being local (non-internet) it needs to actually work,
> which is kind of assumed.  And it has to run on something I can
> physically carry around,

And you already got at least one answer: doesn't exist.

So why waste time arguing about it, unless arguing is what you really 
came here for?

Then again, can you be more precise about "can physically carry around"?

I physically carry around my Macbook Pro 90% of the time, and it does 
Dictation off-line.  Does an excellent job on single sentences.  Sucks 
if you want to do a whole paragraph.

-- 
Wes Groleau

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#58717

On 09/15/2016 05:49 PM, W. Wesley Groleau wrote:
> On 09-15-2016 06:21, crankypuss wrote:
>> In addition to being local (non-internet) it needs to actually work,
>> which is kind of assumed.  And it has to run on something I can
>> physically carry around,
>
> And you already got at least one answer: doesn't exist.
>
> So why waste time arguing about it, unless arguing is what you really
> came here for?
>
> Then again, can you be more precise about "can physically carry around"?
>
> I physically carry around my Macbook Pro 90% of the time, and it does
> Dictation off-line.  Does an excellent job on single sentences.  Sucks
> if you want to do a whole paragraph.
>

Then it doesn't work, right?  If you wouldn't use it to dictate a book, 
it won't do the job.

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#58751

On 09-16-2016 05:46, crankypuss wrote:
> On 09/15/2016 05:49 PM, W. Wesley Groleau wrote:
>> I physically carry around my Macbook Pro 90% of the time, and it does
>> Dictation off-line.  Does an excellent job on single sentences.  Sucks
>> if you want to do a whole paragraph.
>
> Then it doesn't work, right?  If you wouldn't use it to dictate a book,
> it won't do the job.

It used to be fantastic.  But now it acts like the buffer size has been 
reduced so that I have to stop and wait for it to catch up after every 
sentence.  If I forget, it stops listening and I have to turn it off and 
back on.  The delays are such that typing is almost as fast.

Now, if I don't say anything else, people will advise me to buy more RAM 
or a faster disk.  But in fact, I have eight gig of RAM and an SSD 
that's 600 gig empty.

-- 
Wes Groleau

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#58689

VanguardLH schrieb am 2016-09-14 um 10:00:

[...]
> What the OP wants is no Internet connection required for a local app to
> do speech analysis across many languages and variations and also do the
> transcription immediately and do it for dirt cheap.  I want a woman that
> never argues with me and a 3-course t-bone meal for $2.  Dream on.

No - the OP asked for voice-to-speech without the need for an online
connection. I did *not* say it has to be free or very cheap:

"Is there any application, free or paid, running under Android or iOS or
linux, that performs dictation (voice-to-text) without requiring an
internet connection?  TIA."


-- 
Arno Welzel
https://arnowelzel.de
http://de-rec-fahrrad.de
http://fahrradzukunft.de

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