Groups | Search | Server Info | Keyboard shortcuts | Login | Register [http] [https] [nntp] [nntps]

Groups > comp.mobile.ipad > #45249 > unrolled thread

How do I see & edit comments embedded in a Word document from an iPad Gmail attachment

Started byAdair Bordon <Adair@not_my_real_email.com>
First post2015-02-20 18:50 +0000
Last post2015-03-04 06:50 +0000
Articles 18 on this page of 98 — 15 participants

Back to article view | Back to comp.mobile.ipad

Contents

  How do I see & edit comments embedded in a Word document from an iPad Gmail attachment Adair Bordon <Adair@not_my_real_email.com> - 2015-02-20 18:50 +0000
    Re: How do I see & edit comments embedded in a Word document from an iPad Gmail attachment AV3 <arvimide@earthlink.net> - 2015-02-20 21:32 -0500
      Re: How do I see & edit comments embedded in a Word document from an iPad Gmail attachment Recliner <recliner.ng@btinternet.com> - 2015-02-21 02:39 +0000
        Re: How do I see & edit comments embedded in a Word document from an iPad Gmail attachment Adair Bordon <Adair@not_my_real_email.com> - 2015-02-21 04:22 +0000
          Re: How do I see & edit comments embedded in a Word document from an iPad Gmail attachment Recliner <recliner.ng@btinternet.com> - 2015-02-21 08:43 +0000
            Re: How do I see & edit comments embedded in a Word document from an iPad Gmail attachment Adair Bordon <Adair@not_my_real_email.com> - 2015-02-21 12:31 +0000
        Re: How do I see & edit comments embedded in a Word document from an iPad Gmail attachment Adair Bordon <Adair@not_my_real_email.com> - 2015-02-21 04:22 +0000
        Re: How do I see & edit comments embedded in a Word document from an iPad Gmail attachment Adair Bordon <Adair@not_my_real_email.com> - 2015-02-21 04:24 +0000
        Re: How do I see & edit comments embedded in a Word document from an iPad Gmail attachment AV3 <arvimide@earthlink.net> - 2015-02-21 10:55 -0500
          Re: How do I see & edit comments embedded in a Word document from an iPad Gmail attachment Adair Bordon <Adair@not_my_real_email.com> - 2015-02-21 19:07 +0000
            Re: How do I see & edit comments embedded in a Word document from an iPad Gmail attachment bj <address_is@invalid.invalid> - 2015-02-21 13:40 -0600
              Re: How do I see & edit comments embedded in a Word document from an iPad Gmail attachment Adair Bordon <Adair@not_my_real_email.com> - 2015-02-21 19:56 +0000
                Re: How do I see & edit comments embedded in a Word document from an iPad Gmail attachment Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-02-21 12:13 -0800
                  Re: How do I see & edit comments embedded in a Word document from an iPad Gmail attachment Adair Bordon <Adair@not_my_real_email.com> - 2015-03-04 07:12 +0000
                Re: How do I see & edit comments embedded in a Word document from an iPad Gmail attachment Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-02-21 14:19 -0700
                  Re: How do I see & edit comments embedded in a Word document from an iPad Gmail attachment Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-02-22 16:44 +0000
                  Re: How do I see & edit comments embedded in a Word document from an iPad Gmail attachment Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2015-02-22 21:47 +0000
                Re: How do I see & edit comments embedded in a Word document from an iPad Gmail attachment Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-02-21 23:09 +0000
      Re: How do I see & edit comments embedded in a Word document from an iPad Gmail attachment Adair Bordon <Adair@not_my_real_email.com> - 2015-02-21 04:20 +0000
      Re: How do I see & edit comments embedded in a Word document from an iPad Gmail attachment Adair Bordon <Adair@not_my_real_email.com> - 2015-02-21 04:21 +0000
      Re: How do I see & edit comments embedded in a Word document from an iPad Gmail attachment Adair Bordon <Adair@not_my_real_email.com> - 2015-02-21 04:21 +0000
      Re: How do I see & edit comments embedded in a Word document from an iPad Gmail attachment Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-02-21 09:45 +0000
        Re: How do I see & edit comments embedded in a Word document from an iPad Gmail attachment Recliner <Recliner.ng@btinternet.com> - 2015-02-21 11:29 +0000
          Re: How do I see & edit comments embedded in a Word document from an iPad Gmail attachment Adair Bordon <Adair@not_my_real_email.com> - 2015-02-21 12:31 +0000
            Re: How do I see & edit comments embedded in a Word document from an iPad Gmail attachment Recliner <recliner.ng@btinternet.com> - 2015-02-21 14:34 +0000
              Re: How do I see & edit comments embedded in a Word document from an iPad Gmail attachment Adair Bordon <Adair@not_my_real_email.com> - 2015-02-21 19:08 +0000
                Re: How do I see & edit comments embedded in a Word document from an iPad Gmail attachment Recliner <recliner.ng@btinternet.com> - 2015-02-21 20:14 +0000
                  Re: How do I see & edit comments embedded in a Word document from an iPad Gmail attachment Adair Bordon <Adair@not_my_real_email.com> - 2015-03-03 15:52 +0000
                Re: How do I see & edit comments embedded in a Word document from an iPad Gmail attachment Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-02-21 14:20 -0700
                  Re: How do I see & edit comments embedded in a Word document from an iPad Gmail attachment bj <address_is@invalid.invalid> - 2015-02-21 15:57 -0600
                    Re: How do I see & edit comments embedded in a Word document from an iPad Gmail attachment Adair Bordon <Adair@not_my_real_email.com> - 2015-03-04 05:37 +0000
                  Re: How do I see & edit comments embedded in a Word document from an iPad Gmail attachment Adair Bordon <Adair@not_my_real_email.com> - 2015-03-03 00:36 +0000
                    Re: How do I see & edit comments embedded in a Word document from an iPad Gmail attachment Recliner <recliner.ng@btinternet.com> - 2015-03-03 14:47 +0000
                      Re: How do I see & edit comments embedded in a Word document from an iPad Gmail attachment Adair Bordon <Adair@not_my_real_email.com> - 2015-03-04 05:38 +0000
                        Re: How do I see & edit comments embedded in a Word document from an iPad Gmail attachment Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-03-04 08:49 -0700
                          Re: How do I see & edit comments embedded in a Word document from an iPad Gmail attachment Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-04 16:07 +0000
                            Re: How do I see & edit comments embedded in a Word document from an iPad Gmail attachment Adair Bordon <Adair@not_my_real_email.com> - 2015-03-05 01:04 +0000
                              Re: How do I see & edit comments embedded in a Word document from an iPad Gmail attachment Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-05 02:37 +0000
                                Re: How do I see & edit comments embedded in a Word document from an iPad Gmail attachment Adair Bordon <Adair@not_my_real_email.com> - 2015-03-05 06:18 +0000
                                  Re: How do I see & edit comments embedded in a Word document from an iPad Gmail attachment Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-05 14:17 +0000
                                    Re: How do I see & edit comments embedded in a Word document from an iPad Gmail attachment Adair Bordon <Adair@not_my_real_email.com> - 2015-03-06 03:48 +0000
                                      Re: How do I see & edit comments embedded in a Word document from an iPad Gmail attachment Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-03-05 21:32 -0700
                                        Re: How do I see & edit comments embedded in a Word document from an iPad Gmail attachment Adair Bordon <Adair@not_my_real_email.com> - 2015-03-07 06:39 +0000
                                          Re: How do I see & edit comments embedded in a Word document from an iPad Gmail attachment Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-03-07 08:53 -0700
                                            Re: How do I see & edit comments embedded in a Word document from an iPad Gmail attachment Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-08 18:40 +0000
                                              Re: How do I see & edit comments embedded in a Word document from an iPad Gmail attachment Adair Bordon <Adair@not_my_real_email.com> - 2015-03-08 19:52 +0000
                                      Re: How do I see & edit comments embedded in a Word document from an iPad Gmail attachment nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-06 00:30 -0500
                                        Re: How do I see & edit comments embedded in a Word document from an iPad Gmail attachment dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2015-03-06 22:35 +1100
                                          Re: How do I see & edit comments embedded in a Word document from an iPad Gmail attachment Adair Bordon <Adair@not_my_real_email.com> - 2015-03-07 06:40 +0000
                                      Re: How do I see & edit comments embedded in a Word document from an iPad Gmail attachment Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-06 11:25 +0000
                                        Re: How do I see & edit comments embedded in a Word document from an iPad Gmail attachment Adair Bordon <Adair@not_my_real_email.com> - 2015-03-07 06:35 +0000
                                          Re: How do I see & edit comments embedded in a Word document from an iPad Gmail attachment Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-03-07 08:45 -0700
                                          Re: How do I see & edit comments embedded in a Word document from an iPad Gmail attachment Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-08 18:36 +0000
                          Re: How do I see & edit comments embedded in a Word document from an iPad Gmail attachment Adair Bordon <Adair@not_my_real_email.com> - 2015-03-05 01:02 +0000
            Re: How do I see & edit comments embedded in a Word document from an iPad Gmail attachment Recliner <Recliner.ng@btinternet.com> - 2015-02-22 12:54 +0000
              Re: How do I see & edit comments embedded in a Word document from an iPad Gmail attachment Adair Bordon <Adair@not_my_real_email.com> - 2015-03-03 15:51 +0000
                Re: How do I see & edit comments embedded in a Word document from an iPad Gmail attachment Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-03 16:02 +0000
                  Re: How do I see & edit comments embedded in a Word document from an iPad Gmail attachment Adair Bordon <Adair@not_my_real_email.com> - 2015-03-04 05:30 +0000
                    Re: How do I see & edit comments embedded in a Word document from an iPad Gmail attachment dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2015-03-04 19:23 +1300
                      Re: How do I see & edit comments embedded in a Word document from an iPad Gmail attachment Adair Bordon <Adair@not_my_real_email.com> - 2015-03-04 07:02 +0000
                        Re: How do I see & edit comments embedded in a Word document from an iPad Gmail attachment dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2015-03-04 20:43 +1300
                          Re: How do I see & edit comments embedded in a Word document from an iPad Gmail attachment Adair Bordon <Adair@not_my_real_email.com> - 2015-03-04 08:03 +0000
                            Re: How do I see & edit comments embedded in a Word document from an iPad Gmail attachment dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2015-03-04 21:11 +1300
                              Re: How do I see & edit comments embedded in a Word document from an iPad Gmail attachment Adair Bordon <Adair@not_my_real_email.com> - 2015-03-04 09:12 +0000
                                Re: How do I see & edit comments embedded in a Word document from an iPad Gmail attachment dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2015-03-04 22:25 +1300
                                  Re: How do I see & edit comments embedded in a Word document from an iPad Gmail attachment Adair Bordon <Adair@not_my_real_email.com> - 2015-03-04 15:34 +0000
                                  Re: How do I see & edit comments embedded in a Word document from an iPad Gmail attachment Adair Bordon <Adair@not_my_real_email.com> - 2015-03-04 15:36 +0000
                                    Re: How do I see & edit comments embedded in a Word document from an iPad Gmail attachment dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2015-03-05 08:52 +1300
                                      Re: How do I see & edit comments embedded in a Word document from an iPad Gmail attachment Adair Bordon <Adair@not_my_real_email.com> - 2015-03-05 00:52 +0000
                                        Re: How do I see & edit comments embedded in a Word document from an iPad Gmail attachment Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-05 02:31 +0000
                                        Re: How do I see & edit comments embedded in a Word document from an iPad Gmail attachment dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2015-03-06 11:51 +1300
                                          Re: How do I see & edit comments embedded in a Word document from an iPad Gmail attachment Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-06 01:11 +0000
                                          Re: How do I see & edit comments embedded in a Word document from an iPad Gmail attachment Adair Bordon <Adair@not_my_real_email.com> - 2015-03-06 03:56 +0000
                                          Re: How do I see & edit comments embedded in a Word document from an iPad Gmail attachment Adair Bordon <Adair@not_my_real_email.com> - 2015-03-06 04:08 +0000
                            Re: How do I see & edit comments embedded in a Word document from an iPad Gmail attachment Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-03-04 08:58 -0700
                              Re: How do I see & edit comments embedded in a Word document from an iPad Gmail attachment Adair Bordon <Adair@not_my_real_email.com> - 2015-03-05 00:56 +0000
                                Re: How do I see & edit comments embedded in a Word document from an iPad Gmail attachment Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-05 02:35 +0000
                        Re: How do I see & edit comments embedded in a Word document from an iPad Gmail attachment Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-03-04 08:56 -0700
                          Re: How do I see & edit comments embedded in a Word document from an iPad Gmail attachment Adair Bordon <Adair@not_my_real_email.com> - 2015-03-05 00:58 +0000
                      Re: How do I see & edit comments embedded in a Word document from an iPad Gmail attachment Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-03-05 04:08 +0000
                        Re: How do I see & edit comments embedded in a Word document from an iPad Gmail attachment dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2015-03-05 17:16 +1300
                          Re: How do I see & edit comments embedded in a Word document from an iPad Gmail attachment Adair Bordon <Adair@not_my_real_email.com> - 2015-03-05 06:22 +0000
                            Re: How do I see & edit comments embedded in a Word document from an iPad Gmail attachment Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-05 14:26 +0000
                              Re: How do I see & edit comments embedded in a Word document from an iPad Gmail attachment nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-05 11:13 -0500
                                Re: How do I see & edit comments embedded in a Word document from an iPad Gmail attachment Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2015-03-05 11:50 -0500
                                Re: How do I see & edit comments embedded in a Word document from an iPad Gmail attachment Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-05 17:02 +0000
                                  Re: How do I see & edit comments embedded in a Word document from an iPad Gmail attachment Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2015-03-05 12:21 -0500
                                    Re: How do I see & edit comments embedded in a Word document from an iPad Gmail attachment Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-05 17:55 +0000
                                      Re: How do I see & edit comments embedded in a Word document from an iPad Gmail attachment Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2015-03-05 13:03 -0500
                                      Re: How do I see & edit comments embedded in a Word document from an iPad Gmail attachment Fred Moore <fmoore@gcfn.org> - 2015-03-06 15:25 -0500
                                    Re: How do I see & edit comments embedded in a Word document from an iPad Gmail attachment bj <address_is@invalid.invalid> - 2015-03-05 13:55 -0600
                                      Re: How do I see & edit comments embedded in a Word document from an iPad Gmail attachment Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-03-05 21:30 -0700
                                Re: How do I see & edit comments embedded in a Word document from an iPad Gmail attachment Adair Bordon <Adair@not_my_real_email.com> - 2015-03-06 03:50 +0000
                              Re: How do I see & edit comments embedded in a Word document from an iPad Gmail attachment Adair Bordon <Adair@not_my_real_email.com> - 2015-03-06 03:48 +0000
                    Re: How do I see & edit comments embedded in a Word document from an iPad Gmail attachment Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-03-04 08:53 -0700
                      Re: How do I see & edit comments embedded in a Word document from an iPad Gmail attachment Adair Bordon <Adair@not_my_real_email.com> - 2015-03-05 01:00 +0000
    Re: How do I see & edit comments embedded in a Word document from an iPad Gmail attachment Adair Bordon <Adair@not_my_real_email.com> - 2015-03-04 05:53 +0000
      Re: How do I see & edit comments embedded in a Word document from an iPad Gmail attachment Adair Bordon <Adair@not_my_real_email.com> - 2015-03-04 06:50 +0000

Page 5 of 5 — ← Prev page 1 2 3 4 [5]

#46044

Fromdempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson)
Date2015-03-05 17:16 +1300
Message-ID<1m0tmit.1jkzn921dnwb8yN%dempson@actrix.gen.nz>
In reply to#46043
Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:

> Okay, so one time? In band camp? David Empson <dempson@actrix.gen.nz> was all,
> like:
> 
> > I'm guessing that you aren't interested in that option because Google
> > Drive is part of "the cloud".
> 
> So is gmail. And every website and webpage. The entire Internet, in fact.

Yes, I know that. It was intended to be a sarcastic dig at Adair's
paranoia about storing files on the Internet, despite the fact that
we're talking about an email attachment here.

-- 
David Empson
dempson@actrix.gen.nz

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#46047

FromAdair Bordon <Adair@not_my_real_email.com>
Date2015-03-05 06:22 +0000
Message-ID<md8snl$2ck$3@news.albasani.net>
In reply to#46044
David Empson wrote, on Thu, 05 Mar 2015 17:16:13 +1300:

> Yes, I know that. It was intended to be a sarcastic dig at Adair's
> paranoia about storing files on the Internet, despite the fact that
> we're talking about an email attachment here.

While you might not realize that "storage" bits are different than
"communication" bits, the fact is, that, in the USA, they are different.

In fact, a communication "bit" that is less than 180 days old has a more
stringent level of protection than that same communication bit when 
it is 180 days old, or more.

What you may not realize is that the microsecond you "store" that 
communication bit on the net, it's INSTANTLY less protected, because
it's "storage", and not "communication".

Same bits. Big difference.

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#46051

FromJolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
Date2015-03-05 14:26 +0000
Message-ID<clr7c6F75tsU7@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#46047
On 2015-03-05, Adair Bordon <Adair@not_my_real_email.com> wrote:
> David Empson wrote, on Thu, 05 Mar 2015 17:16:13 +1300:
>
>> Yes, I know that. It was intended to be a sarcastic dig at Adair's
>> paranoia about storing files on the Internet, despite the fact that
>> we're talking about an email attachment here.
>
> While you might not realize that "storage" bits are different than
> "communication" bits, the fact is, that, in the USA, they are different.
>
> In fact, a communication "bit" that is less than 180 days old has a more
> stringent level of protection than that same communication bit when 
> it is 180 days old, or more.
>
> What you may not realize is that the microsecond you "store" that 
> communication bit on the net, it's INSTANTLY less protected, because
> it's "storage", and not "communication".
>
> Same bits. Big difference.

You're talking a lot of nonsense. A bit is simply a unit of measurement
- there are 8 bits in a byte - and has virtually no relevance to the
topic at hand. Servers on the net don't make any distinction between the
types of data stored in bits - it's all just data. Mail and attachments
stored on IMAP servers on the net have the same protections regardless
of how long it is stored there.

-- 
E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter.
I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#46052

Fromnospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
Date2015-03-05 11:13 -0500
Message-ID<050320151113504914%nospam@nospam.invalid>
In reply to#46051
In article <clr7c6F75tsU7@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger
<jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

> >> Yes, I know that. It was intended to be a sarcastic dig at Adair's
> >> paranoia about storing files on the Internet, despite the fact that
> >> we're talking about an email attachment here.
> >
> > While you might not realize that "storage" bits are different than
> > "communication" bits, the fact is, that, in the USA, they are different.
> >
> > In fact, a communication "bit" that is less than 180 days old has a more
> > stringent level of protection than that same communication bit when 
> > it is 180 days old, or more.
> >
> > What you may not realize is that the microsecond you "store" that 
> > communication bit on the net, it's INSTANTLY less protected, because
> > it's "storage", and not "communication".
> >
> > Same bits. Big difference.
> 
> You're talking a lot of nonsense. A bit is simply a unit of measurement
> - there are 8 bits in a byte - and has virtually no relevance to the
> topic at hand. Servers on the net don't make any distinction between the
> types of data stored in bits - it's all just data. Mail and attachments
> stored on IMAP servers on the net have the same protections regardless
> of how long it is stored there.

actually, he isn't talking nonsense, although his explanation is.

what he's referring to is that email stored on a server for 6 months or
more is considered abandoned and no longer has the same protections.

more here:
<http://www.wired.com/2011/10/ecpa-turns-twenty-five/all/1>
  During the Reagan administration, e-mail more than six months old was
  assumed abandoned, and that¹s why the law allowed the government to
  get it without a warrant. At the time, there wasn¹t much of any
  e-mail for the authorities to acquire because a consumer¹s hard drive
  ‹ not the cloud ‹ hosted their inbox.

  But technology has evolved dramatically following EPCA¹s passage.
  E-mail often remains stored on cloud servers indefinitely, in
  gigabytes upon gigabytes. That means the authorities may access gigs
  of e-mails, or other cloud-stored content, without warrants if it¹s
  older than six months. The law, believe it or not, still considers as
  abandoned any e-mail or other files housed on servers for more than
  six months.

however, it's also irrelevant, because if someone is sending an email
attachment, it will be downloaded within hours, maybe a day. it can
also be encrypted.

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#46053

FromAlan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca>
Date2015-03-05 11:50 -0500
Message-ID<oP2dndCQcprtFGXJnZ2dnUU7-WGdnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#46052
On 2015.03.05 11:13 , nospam wrote:
>
> however, it's also irrelevant, because if someone is sending an email
> attachment, it will be downloaded within hours, maybe a day. it can
> also be encrypted.

It's not irrelevant if the e-mail and attachment remain on the server 
(in the so called cloud) for over 6 months and then are considered 
abandoned for government snooping purposes.  Encryption of the original 
e-mail (enclosing the attachment) would defeat that.

(Is that 6 months law still on the books?)

-- 
"Your net worth to the world is usually
  determined by what remains after your
  bad habits are subtracted from your good ones."
                                   Benjamin Franklin

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#46054

FromJolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
Date2015-03-05 17:02 +0000
Message-ID<clrgi3F75tsU17@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#46052
On 2015-03-05, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> In article <clr7c6F75tsU7@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger
><jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>
>> >> Yes, I know that. It was intended to be a sarcastic dig at Adair's
>> >> paranoia about storing files on the Internet, despite the fact that
>> >> we're talking about an email attachment here.
>> >
>> > While you might not realize that "storage" bits are different than
>> > "communication" bits, the fact is, that, in the USA, they are different.
>> >
>> > In fact, a communication "bit" that is less than 180 days old has a more
>> > stringent level of protection than that same communication bit when 
>> > it is 180 days old, or more.
>> >
>> > What you may not realize is that the microsecond you "store" that 
>> > communication bit on the net, it's INSTANTLY less protected, because
>> > it's "storage", and not "communication".
>> >
>> > Same bits. Big difference.
>> 
>> You're talking a lot of nonsense. A bit is simply a unit of measurement
>> - there are 8 bits in a byte - and has virtually no relevance to the
>> topic at hand. Servers on the net don't make any distinction between the
>> types of data stored in bits - it's all just data. Mail and attachments
>> stored on IMAP servers on the net have the same protections regardless
>> of how long it is stored there.
>
> actually, he isn't talking nonsense, although his explanation is.

Using the most convoluted wording possible, as usual.

> what he's referring to is that email stored on a server for 6 months or
> more is considered abandoned and no longer has the same protections.

Sure, but those "protections" only apply to authorities wanting to
access the information *without* a warrant. It's simple to get a
warrant, and you may not even find out about it. Also, the NSA is
grabbing and recording everything in transit anyway. Not much protection
to speak of, unless you've encrypted everything in transit, which is
mostly not the case with email.

> however, it's also irrelevant, because if someone is sending an email
> attachment, it will be downloaded within hours, maybe a day. 

But can still be obtained while in transit.

> it can also be encrypted.

Yes, but most of the time isn't.

I run my own email server so storage isn't much of a concern for me.
What happens in transit is though, so if I did send anything critical,
it would naturally be encrypted before sending.

-- 
E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter.
I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#46055

FromAlan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca>
Date2015-03-05 12:21 -0500
Message-ID<6bOdnSQPW7MpDWXJnZ2dnUU7-IGdnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#46054
On 2015.03.05 12:02 , Jolly Roger wrote:
>
> I run my own email server so storage isn't much of a concern for me.
> What happens in transit is though, so if I did send anything critical,
> it would naturally be encrypted before sending.

Natural encryption?  WTF?









;-)


-- 
"Your net worth to the world is usually
  determined by what remains after your
  bad habits are subtracted from your good ones."
                                   Benjamin Franklin

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#46057

FromJolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
Date2015-03-05 17:55 +0000
Message-ID<clrjlcF75tsU20@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#46055
On 2015-03-05, Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
> On 2015.03.05 12:02 , Jolly Roger wrote:
>>
>> I run my own email server so storage isn't much of a concern for me.
>> What happens in transit is though, so if I did send anything critical,
>> it would naturally be encrypted before sending.
>
> Natural encryption?  WTF?

And ribbed too, for her pleasure. : )

-- 
E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter.
I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#46060

FromAlan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca>
Date2015-03-05 13:03 -0500
Message-ID<2tmdnWASnfLDB2XJnZ2dnUU7-c2dnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#46057
On 2015.03.05 12:55 , Jolly Roger wrote:
> On 2015-03-05, Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>> On 2015.03.05 12:02 , Jolly Roger wrote:
>>>
>>> I run my own email server so storage isn't much of a concern for me.
>>> What happens in transit is though, so if I did send anything critical,
>>> it would naturally be encrypted before sending.
>>
>> Natural encryption?  WTF?
>
> And ribbed too, for her pleasure. : )

LOL

-- 
"Your net worth to the world is usually
  determined by what remains after your
  bad habits are subtracted from your good ones."
                                   Benjamin Franklin

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#46102

FromFred Moore <fmoore@gcfn.org>
Date2015-03-06 15:25 -0500
Message-ID<mdd2dt$nst$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#46057
On 3/5/15 12:55 p, Jolly Roger wrote:
> On 2015-03-05, Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>> On 2015.03.05 12:02 , Jolly Roger wrote:
>>>
>>> I run my own email server so storage isn't much of a concern for me.
>>> What happens in transit is though, so if I did send anything critical,
>>> it would naturally be encrypted before sending.
>>
>> Natural encryption?  WTF?
>
> And ribbed too, for her pleasure. : )

No, no, no. Double ROT-13! What could be more natural?!? And she'll LOVE 
it when you rotate it TWICE!!!

-- 
Certain endeavors have various aspects, which with sensitive handling 
given reasonable discretion when circumstances permit until the need 
expires unless events conspire to intervene, for which there's no prima 
facia reason why, with the appropriate give and take if all goes well in 
the fullness of time, that as far as one can see can clearly and 
efficiently achieve a confluence of advantageous productivity if the 
time is ripe.
      --Yes, Minister

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#46063

Frombj <address_is@invalid.invalid>
Date2015-03-05 13:55 -0600
Message-ID<215865791447276675.620393address_is-invalid.invalid@news.giganews.com>
In reply to#46055
Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
> On 2015.03.05 12:02 , Jolly Roger wrote:
>> 
>> I run my own email server so storage isn't much of a concern for me.
>> What happens in transit is though, so if I did send anything critical,
>> it would naturally be encrypted before sending.
> 
> Natural encryption?  WTF?
> 
> ;-)
> 

Like Natural Birth Control maybe?
:-)

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#46090

FromMichelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org>
Date2015-03-05 21:30 -0700
Message-ID<050320152130080076%michelle@michelle.org>
In reply to#46063
In article
<215865791447276675.620393address_is-invalid.invalid@news.giganews.com>,
 bj <address_is@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> >> I run my own email server so storage isn't much of a concern for me.
> >> What happens in transit is though, so if I did send anything critical,
> >> it would naturally be encrypted before sending.
> > 
> > Natural encryption?  WTF?
> > 
> > ;-)
> > 
> 
> Like Natural Birth Control maybe?
> :-)

<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n85lS6l7adg>

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#46086

FromAdair Bordon <Adair@not_my_real_email.com>
Date2015-03-06 03:50 +0000
Message-ID<mdb85v$clk$4@news.albasani.net>
In reply to#46052
nospam wrote, on Thu, 05 Mar 2015 11:13:50 -0500:

> however, it's also irrelevant, because if someone is sending an email
> attachment, it will be downloaded within hours, maybe a day. it can
> also be encrypted.

It's not irrelevant, and, in fact, it's relevant, simply because
"storage" has different protection than "communication".

The "type" of data doesn't matter for this legal distinction; what 
matters is the "purpose" of the bits.

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#46085

FromAdair Bordon <Adair@not_my_real_email.com>
Date2015-03-06 03:48 +0000
Message-ID<mdb82n$clk$3@news.albasani.net>
In reply to#46051
Jolly Roger wrote, on Thu, 05 Mar 2015 14:26:14 +0000:

> Servers on the net don't make any distinction between the
> types of data stored in bits - it's all just data.

You missed the entire point.

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#46029

FromMichelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org>
Date2015-03-04 08:53 -0700
Message-ID<040320150853171081%michelle@michelle.org>
In reply to#46012
In article <md659f$91p$1@news.albasani.net>, Adair Bordon
<Adair@not_my_real_email.com> wrote:

> The question is how to get the docx from the Gmail app to either
> Pages or Word. 
> 
> If the answer were obvious, we would have found it already.
> So, it's going to take some intelligence to find an answer.

Assuming that there is an answer.  Apparently there isn't.  It's the
wrong question, though; the question is, "Why don't you just use
Apple's mail app to access the gmail account?"

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#46037

FromAdair Bordon <Adair@not_my_real_email.com>
Date2015-03-05 01:00 +0000
Message-ID<md89rn$4od$6@news.albasani.net>
In reply to#46029
Michelle Steiner wrote, on Wed, 04 Mar 2015 08:53:17 -0700:

> Assuming that there is an answer.  Apparently there isn't.  It's the
> wrong question, though; the question is, "Why don't you just use
> Apple's mail app to access the gmail account?"

Actually, as usual, we found the answer.

Gmail iOS app:
Q: How do you open a Word attachment in Microsoft Word?
A: You have to "Open in Safari" the document from the net
   and then "Share" from Safari, to Microsoft Word on the iPad.

Apple iOS app:
Q: How do you open a Word attachment in Microsoft Word?
A: You simply "Share" it from Mail to Microsoft Word.

The Google Gmail app stinks for this purpose.
The Apple Mail app just works.

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#46015

FromAdair Bordon <Adair@not_my_real_email.com>
Date2015-03-04 05:53 +0000
Message-ID<md66km$91p$4@news.albasani.net>
In reply to#45249
Adair Bordon wrote, on Fri, 20 Feb 2015 18:50:03 +0000:

> I received in my Gmail, a "*.docx" document, which has embedded comments.
> I can't get that document out of Gmail to see it in Word or Pages on the iPad.

This reference asks the same question essentially:
How to get a document from gmail to Pages on the iPad
http://ask.metafilter.com/221650/How-to-get-a-document-from-gmail-to-Pages-on-the-iPad

The workaround they most suggest seems to be to upload the document 
from Gmail to a file server on the net, and then download it back 
onto the iPad into Word on the iPad.

That's not workable, so I will continue to search for a solution on
my own and report back when I figure it out so that others may
benefit from the effort.

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#46017

FromAdair Bordon <Adair@not_my_real_email.com>
Date2015-03-04 06:50 +0000
Message-ID<md69uo$91p$5@news.albasani.net>
In reply to#46015
Adair Bordon wrote, on Wed, 04 Mar 2015 05:53:26 +0000:

> I will continue to search for a solution on
> my own and report back when I figure it out so that others may
> benefit from the effort.

I figured it out!

Actually, this reference figured it out for me:

How do you download attachments from Gmail on the iPad? 
https://www.reddit.com/r/ipad/comments/18tk9x/how_do_you_download_attachments_from_gmail/
  "This is my biggest complaint with iOS. We need at least user or 
   limited access to a local file system..."

The convoluted but somewhat working solution was to do the following:

0. In Gmail on iOS, don't press on the attached "docx" icon.
1. Instead, in Gmail on iOS, press on the triangular "Drive" icon.
2. This will say "Saving to Drive..." (where it saves is unknown).
3. Now, in Gmail on iOS, press on the attached "docx" icon.
4. This will view the Word document in some unknown viewer.
5. Press the share-like icon in the bottom right of that viewer.
6. Select "Open in Safari" (do not select "Open in Chrome").
   http://i57.tinypic.com/24c5jye.png
7. I tried this a dozen times, only 3 of which opened the document
   in a URL listed as "mail-attachment.googleusercontent.com"
   http://i58.tinypic.com/2vaf37k.png
8. The other 9 attempts at the same thing brought me to a Google
   Mail login page (which I never logged in since I abhor web mail).
   Chrome: http://i60.tinypic.com/2airh1j.png
   Safari: http://i59.tinypic.com/15q55ir.png
9. If you're lucky, in Safari, when you view the document, you
   can then just press on the blank area in the top right *under*
   the bookmarks/cloud/+ icons, and you'll get the option to
   "Open in Pages Open in ????"
   http://i58.tinypic.com/2u9tsgw.png
10. Pressing that, you will see a list of apps to open the file
    in, one of which is "Pages" while another is "Word".
11. Press "Open in Word" 
12. Voila! The Word document opens in Microsft Word, where all
    the comments are visible (finally)!

Note: While Safari opens the document in 9 out of 12 tries, Chrome
never opened the document no matter how many attempts I tried.

Note: I'm not sure if the step of downloading to the Google drive
is necessary or not. Also note that the random nature of the results
must be explainable, so, the *exact* sequence of steps is important.

[toc] | [prev] | [standalone]

Page 5 of 5 — ← Prev page 1 2 3 4 [5]

Back to top | Article view | comp.mobile.ipad

csiph-web