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  Kids react to old computers Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-05-26 09:55 -0700
    Re: Kids react to old computers Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2014-05-26 19:25 +0200
    Re: Kids react to old computers Calum <com.gmail@nospam.scottishwildcat> - 2014-05-26 19:02 +0100
      Re: Kids react to old computers Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-05-27 08:53 +1200
        Re: Kids react to old computers Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-05-26 13:59 -0700
          Re: Kids react to old computers Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> - 2014-05-27 01:18 -0700
        Re: Kids react to old computers jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2014-05-28 13:53 +1200
          Re: Kids react to old computers Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2014-05-28 08:30 +0200
            Re: Kids react to old computers Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-05-28 19:01 +1200
            Re: Kids react to old computers jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2014-05-28 19:34 +1200
              Re: Kids react to old computers Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2014-05-28 10:06 +0200
                Re: Kids react to old computers Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-05-28 09:06 +0000
                  Re: Kids react to old computers Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2014-05-28 12:30 +0200
              Re: Kids react to old computers Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-05-29 08:58 +1200
                Re: Kids react to old computers Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2014-06-03 16:59 +0200
                  Re: Kids react to old computers Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-06-04 09:24 +1200
                    Re: Kids react to old computers Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2014-06-04 08:50 +0200
                      Re: Kids react to old computers David Taylor <david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid> - 2014-06-04 08:11 +0100
                      Re: Kids react to old computers Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-06-04 19:19 +1200
                        Re: Kids react to old computers Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2014-06-04 14:39 +0200
                          Re: Kids react to old computers Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-06-05 09:33 +1200
                            Re: Kids react to old computers Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2014-06-05 09:05 +0200
                Re: Kids react to old computers Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2014-07-07 09:06 -0400
                  Re: Kids react to old computers Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-07-07 14:04 -0700
                    Re: Kids react to old computers Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-07-08 00:17 +0000
                      Re: Kids react to old computers Todd Allcock <elecconnec@AnoOspamL.com> - 2014-07-08 14:36 -0600
                        Re: Kids react to old computers Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-07-09 01:12 +0000
                          Re: Kids react to old computers JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-07-08 21:22 -0400
                            Re: Kids react to old computers Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-07-09 13:40 +1200
                              Re: Kids react to old computers Todd Allcock <elecconnec@AnoOspamL.com> - 2014-07-09 15:13 -0600
                                Re: Kids react to old computers Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-07-10 09:34 +1200
                            Re: Kids react to old computers Todd Allcock <elecconnec@AnoOspamL.com> - 2014-07-09 08:03 -0600
                              Re: Kids react to old computers Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-07-10 09:18 +1200
                        Re: Kids react to old computers Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-07-09 13:42 +1200
                    Re: Kids react to old computers Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2014-07-07 22:43 -0400
                  Re: Kids react to old computers Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-07-08 09:17 +1200
                    Re: Kids react to old computers Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2014-07-07 22:44 -0400
                      Re: Kids react to old computers "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2014-07-08 13:59 +1000
                      Re: Kids react to old computers Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-07-08 16:10 +1200
    Re: Kids react to old computers Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> - 2014-05-26 19:05 +0100
      Re: Kids react to old computers Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-05-26 13:53 -0700
        Re: Kids react to old computers JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-05-26 17:23 -0400
          Re: Kids react to old computers Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-05-26 18:09 -0700
            Re: Kids react to old computers Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> - 2014-05-27 01:19 -0700
        Re: Kids react to old computers Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> - 2014-05-26 22:23 +0100
          Re: Kids react to old computers bknight@conramp.net - 2014-05-26 16:48 -0500
            Re: Kids react to old computers Siri Crews <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2014-05-26 15:10 -0700
          Re: Kids react to old computers dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-05-27 08:43 +1000
          Re: Kids react to old computers Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-05-26 18:08 -0700
            Re: Kids react to old computers Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> - 2014-05-27 13:31 +0100
          Re: Kids react to old computers Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-05-27 05:14 +0000
          Re: Kids react to old computers "D.F. Manno" <dfmanno@mail.com> - 2014-05-27 17:04 -0400
            Re: Kids react to old computers Siri Crews <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2014-05-27 15:38 -0700
            Re: Kids react to old computers Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> - 2014-05-27 23:58 +0100
    Re: Kids react to old computers Siri Crews <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2014-05-26 12:14 -0700
      Re: Kids react to old computers Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> - 2014-05-26 13:49 -0700
        Re: Kids react to old computers Siri Crews <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2014-05-26 14:12 -0700
        Re: Kids react to old computers Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-05-26 17:57 -0700
          Re: Kids react to old computers Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> - 2014-05-26 18:07 -0700
            Re: Kids react to old computers Siri Crews <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2014-05-26 18:39 -0700
              Re: Kids react to old computers Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-05-26 20:20 -0700
            Re: Kids react to old computers Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2014-07-07 22:23 -0400
              Re: Kids react to old computers Siri Crews <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2014-07-07 20:13 -0700
              Re: Kids react to old computers Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-07-07 20:31 -0700
                Re: Kids react to old computers "D.F. Manno" <dfmanno@mail.com> - 2014-07-14 17:45 -0400
                  Re: Kids react to old computers Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-07-15 10:19 -0700
      Re: Kids react to old computers nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-05-26 18:19 -0400
        Re: Kids react to old computers Siri Crews <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2014-05-26 17:24 -0700
          Re: Kids react to old computers JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-05-26 22:16 -0400
            Re: Kids react to old computers Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-05-27 08:41 +0100
        Re: Kids react to old computers mortman <mortn@comcast.net> - 2014-05-26 21:12 -0400
        Re: Kids react to old computers Recliner <recliner2-news@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-05-26 21:00 -0500
          Re: Kids react to old computers Siri Crews <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2014-05-26 19:35 -0700
          Re: Kids react to old computers Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-05-27 16:08 +1200
            Re: Kids react to old computers Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-05-26 22:00 -0700
            Re: Kids react to old computers JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-05-27 18:06 -0400
              Re: Kids react to old computers Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-05-27 18:16 -0700
          Re: Kids react to old computers erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> - 2014-05-27 10:22 -0500
            Re: Kids react to old computers Harry Mudd <Agent001@Section-31.org> - 2014-06-04 22:48 -0400
          Re: Kids react to old computers nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-05-27 12:39 -0400
            Re: Kids react to old computers Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2014-05-27 16:13 -0400
              Re: Kids react to old computers Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-05-28 09:02 +1200
                Re: Kids react to old computers JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-05-27 18:15 -0400
                  Re: Kids react to old computers Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-05-28 17:10 +1200
                    Re: Kids react to old computers Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2014-05-28 15:44 +0000
                      Re: Kids react to old computers Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> - 2014-05-31 07:47 -0700
                Re: Kids react to old computers Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2014-05-28 00:41 -0400
                  Re: Kids react to old computers Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-05-27 21:50 -0700
                  Re: Kids react to old computers Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-05-28 18:11 +1200
      Re: Kids react to old computers erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> - 2014-05-27 10:20 -0500
    Re: Kids react to old computers Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> - 2014-05-27 01:17 -0700
    Re: Kids react to old computers erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> - 2014-05-27 10:18 -0500
      Re: Kids react to old computers Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-05-27 09:17 -0700
      Re: Kids react to old computers Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-05-27 09:36 -0700
        Re: Kids react to old computers Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-05-27 09:47 -0700
          Re: Kids react to old computers Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-05-27 12:27 -0700
    Re: Kids react to old computers Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-05-27 16:40 -0400
      Re: Kids react to old computers Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2014-05-28 00:25 -0400
        Re: Kids react to old computers Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-05-31 11:12 -0400
          Re: Kids react to old computers Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2014-06-01 14:45 +0000
            Re: Kids react to old computers Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-06-02 09:24 +1200
              Re: Kids react to old computers Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-06-02 14:45 +1200
    Re: Kids react to old computers Mxsmanic <mxsmanic@gmail.com> - 2014-06-01 19:42 +0200
      Re: Kids react to old computers nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-06-01 14:01 -0400
        Re: Kids react to old computers Mxsmanic <mxsmanic@gmail.com> - 2014-06-02 09:01 +0200
          Re: Kids react to old computers nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-06-02 11:29 -0400
            Re: Kids react to old computers Mxsmanic <mxsmanic@gmail.com> - 2014-06-06 06:14 +0200
              Re: Kids react to old computers nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-06-06 01:33 -0400
                Re: Kids react to old computers Siri Crews <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2014-06-05 23:22 -0700
                  Re: Kids react to old computers JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-06-06 02:36 -0400
                    Re: Kids react to old computers nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-06-06 02:41 -0400
                      Re: Kids react to old computers Mxsmanic <mxsmanic@gmail.com> - 2014-06-07 13:21 +0200
                        Re: Kids react to old computers nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-06-07 10:13 -0400
                    Re: Kids react to old computers Siri Crews <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2014-06-06 00:00 -0700
                    Re: Kids react to old computers Mxsmanic <mxsmanic@gmail.com> - 2014-06-07 13:20 +0200
                      Re: Kids react to old computers "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2014-06-08 11:52 +1000
                        Re: Kids react to old computers Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-08 04:08 +0000
                          Re: Kids react to old computers "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2014-06-09 07:48 +1000
                        Re: Kids react to old computers Siri Crews <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2014-06-07 23:43 -0700
                          Re: Kids react to old computers "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2014-06-08 19:36 +1000
                            Re: Kids react to old computers Siri Crews <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2014-06-08 03:09 -0700
                              Re: Kids react to old computers "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2014-06-09 07:15 +1000
                      Re: Kids react to old computers nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-06-07 10:13 -0400
                Re: Kids react to old computers Mxsmanic <mxsmanic@gmail.com> - 2014-06-07 13:18 +0200
                  Re: Kids react to old computers Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-06-07 18:03 +0100
                    Re: Kids react to old computers News <News@Group.Post> - 2014-06-07 14:08 -0400
                  Re: Kids react to old computers "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2014-06-08 11:51 +1000
                  Re: Kids react to old computers nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-06-07 13:46 -0400
              Re: Kids react to old computers Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-06-06 18:36 +1200
        Re: Kids react to old computers "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2014-06-07 13:51 +1000
      Re: Kids react to old computers Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2014-06-01 21:54 -0400
    Re: Kids react to old computers Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2014-07-07 09:05 -0400
      Re: Kids react to old computers Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> - 2014-07-09 06:58 -0700
        Re: Kids react to old computers Siri Crews <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2014-07-09 07:01 -0700
          Re: Kids react to old computers Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> - 2014-07-09 07:02 -0700
            Re: Kids react to old computers nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-07-09 12:24 -0400
            Re: Kids react to old computers Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-07-09 18:00 +0000
            Re: Kids react to old computers JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-07-09 16:01 -0400
              Re: Kids react to old computers nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-07-09 16:21 -0400
              Re: Kids react to old computers Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-07-09 13:40 -0700
      Re: Kids react to old computers Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> - 2014-07-09 07:04 -0700

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#35989

In article <lmfe9e$d15$1@dont-email.me>, Erilar
<drache@chibardun.netinvalid> wrote:
> Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
> > On 2014.05.28, 00:25 , Barry Margolin wrote:
> >> In article <KNednUHqEr21ZRnOnZ2dnUVZ_rYAAAAA@giganews.com>,
> >>   Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
> >>> On 2014.05.26, 12:55 , Michelle Steiner wrote:
> >>>> They're using an Apple ][, but would have had essentially the same
> >>>> reaction if it had been a Commodore PET or TRS-80.
> >>>> 
> >>>> -- Michelle
> >>>> 
> >>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PF7EpEnglgk
> >>> 
> >>> Amusing - but I'd rather see these kids reacting to living life on a
> >>> 1850's farm.  1 whole year's worth.  Or even a 1950's farm.
> >> 
> >> There was a series of PBS reality shows where they had modern families
> >> try to live like they did in various primitive eras: Frontier House,
> >> Victorian House, etc. The kids whines a lot, although the parents didn't
> >> enjoy it much, either -- the life of a Victorian housewife was filled
> >> with drudgery.
> > 
> > I'll try to find those.
> > 
> > There's a series of British series such as "Tales from the Green Valley"
> > (1620), "Edwardian Farm", "Tudor Monastery Farm" and so on.  Each is 12
> > episodes (except for some side stories) - one for each month of the farm
> > annual cycle - while the cast lives on the farm (in one case they can't
> > sleep at the farm due to labour health laws).
> > 
> > Very nitty-gritty.
> > 
> > No children in the core production, but some on some episodes where there
> > are gatherings of some kind or another.
> > 
> > You can watch all of them on YouTube.
> > 
> > I found them fascinating and educational.  Whether the do-or-die of a
> > 1620 farm or the emerging technology of the 1800's, very interesting.
> > 
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tales_from_the_Green_Valley
> 
> I remember watching the Victorian one and a pioneer one.  The kids are
> usually the least committed 8-)

There was another of these British shows where a family lived in a
house that was set-up with 1940's (? I think it was) technology, and
new technology was introduced in a scaled timeline. The first few weeks
they got one "upgrade parcel" of newer technology, but towards the end
of the series they were getting multiple "upgrade parcels" a day with
barely enough time to open and set it up.

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#36026

In article <020620140924508452%YourName@YourISP.com>, Your Name
<YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:

> In article <lmfe9e$d15$1@dont-email.me>, Erilar
> <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> wrote:
> > Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
> > > On 2014.05.28, 00:25 , Barry Margolin wrote:
> > >> In article <KNednUHqEr21ZRnOnZ2dnUVZ_rYAAAAA@giganews.com>,
> > >>   Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
> > >>> On 2014.05.26, 12:55 , Michelle Steiner wrote:
> > >>>> They're using an Apple ][, but would have had essentially the same
> > >>>> reaction if it had been a Commodore PET or TRS-80.
> > >>>> 
> > >>>> -- Michelle
> > >>>> 
> > >>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PF7EpEnglgk
> > >>> 
> > >>> Amusing - but I'd rather see these kids reacting to living life on a
> > >>> 1850's farm.  1 whole year's worth.  Or even a 1950's farm.
> > >> 
> > >> There was a series of PBS reality shows where they had modern families
> > >> try to live like they did in various primitive eras: Frontier House,
> > >> Victorian House, etc. The kids whines a lot, although the parents didn't
> > >> enjoy it much, either -- the life of a Victorian housewife was filled
> > >> with drudgery.
> > > 
> > > I'll try to find those.
> > > 
> > > There's a series of British series such as "Tales from the Green Valley"
> > > (1620), "Edwardian Farm", "Tudor Monastery Farm" and so on.  Each is 12
> > > episodes (except for some side stories) - one for each month of the farm
> > > annual cycle - while the cast lives on the farm (in one case they can't
> > > sleep at the farm due to labour health laws).
> > > 
> > > Very nitty-gritty.
> > > 
> > > No children in the core production, but some on some episodes where there
> > > are gatherings of some kind or another.
> > > 
> > > You can watch all of them on YouTube.
> > > 
> > > I found them fascinating and educational.  Whether the do-or-die of a
> > > 1620 farm or the emerging technology of the 1800's, very interesting.
> > > 
> > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tales_from_the_Green_Valley
> > 
> > I remember watching the Victorian one and a pioneer one.  The kids are
> > usually the least committed 8-)
> 
> There was another of these British shows where a family lived in a
> house that was set-up with 1940's (? I think it was) technology, and
> new technology was introduced in a scaled timeline. The first few days
> they got one "upgrade parcel" of newer technology, but towards the end
> of the series they were getting multiple "upgrade parcels" a day with
> barely enough time to open and set it up.

I found it. It was a BBC show called "Electric Dreams" from 2009, but I
did partlymix it up with the other "back to the past" shows since it
only covered the technology from the 1970s, 1980s, and 1990s ...

    Electric Dreams (BBC)
    ---------------
    30 years of technological time travel

    Electric Dreams explores how the technological revolution
    of the 1970s, 80s and 90s has transformed Britain¹s homes
    and all our lives.

    The Sullivan-Barnes family from Reading are a thoroughly
    modern family who own the latest in 21st century gadgetry.
    In a unique experiment they were stripped of all their 
    modern tech and their own home was taken back in time so
    that they could live with the technology of earlier 
    decades. The family lived a year per day starting in 
    1970 right up to the year 2000.

    The experiment was designed to show just how much
    technology has changed the British home and the British
    family. How would a modern family cope with one black
    and white television set, one shared dial telephone in 
    the hallway and no central heating in 1970?

    Would the lack of multiple screens and technology-free
    bedrooms encourage them to spend more time together or
    just result in very bored children? How would they fare
    without the labour-saving domestic technology we now
    take for granted?

    As the rate of technological change sped up during the
    1980s and the 1990s the family saw first hand just how
    much the way we use our homes, family life and attitudes
    to childhood has changed.
    
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/electricdreams/about.shtml



There was also another British TV show called "Home of the Future"
where a family had all the very latest technology (in 2012) installed
in their house ...

    Home of the Future (Channel 4)
    ------------------
    What happens if you ask a normal family to boldly go 
    where no-one has gone before ­ to live in the future? 
    This Channel 4 series, co-funded by one of the UK¹s 
    leading energy companies E.ON, transforms the lives of a
    family, filling their home from top-to-bottom with 
    futuristic technology and gadgets.

    As well as having cutting-edge technology and gadgets to 
    play with, the Perera family in Sheffield will be 
    challenged by scenarios likely to come in the next twenty
    to fifty years.

    Overseen by expert Chris Sanderson the Pereras will 
    discover how we may work, rest and play ­ as well as eat,
    travel, stay healthy and power our homes.
 
    The series looks at the effects of working from home and
    living in multi-generational households and asks: what 
    will we eat when cheap food is gone and mass-produced meat
    is unsustainable? And the family face being shamed by 
    their bin if they don¹t recycle enough and being 
    temporarily banned from short car journeys (electric and
    hydrogen-powered, naturally).

    But the future is not all bad news as the Pereras discover
    mind-controlled games, domestic power stations that slash
    their bills, robots they can control from the other side 
    of the world, waterless washing machines, cars, lawnmowers
    and vacuums that drive themselves and the joys of growing
    your own fish supper.

    http://www.channel4.com/programmes/home-of-the-future

It's already out of date though - in one episode they were designing
their own custom pens and bedside lamps to be 3D printed, but had to
email the plan back to a factory which printed them and delivered them
vai post ... although still fairly expensive, you can now have your own
3D printer at home.

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#35965

Michelle Steiner writes:

> They're using an Apple ][, but would have had essentially the same
> reaction if it had been a Commodore PET or TRS-80.

And it would also be the same reaction if it were a brand-new gadget with an
unfamiliar interface. So it doesn't really prove anything.

Also, a truly computer-literate kid would be able to figure out what to do
with an Apple II readily, since there are still many computers today that use
text-based interfaces (I use such interfaces all the time, as they have a
number of advantages).

Put another way, these kids are clueless because they know nothing about
computers other than the ones they hold in their hands, not because any
particular computer is old.

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#35968

In article <pbpmo91k4oqisu2nv1c78a90dfg5tgjh0p@4ax.com>, Mxsmanic
<mxsmanic@gmail.com> wrote:

> > They're using an Apple ][, but would have had essentially the same
> > reaction if it had been a Commodore PET or TRS-80.
> 
> And it would also be the same reaction if it were a brand-new gadget with an
> unfamiliar interface. So it doesn't really prove anything.

not necessarily. 

kids figure out new products quite well. just look at how easily babies
figure out ipads, before they can even talk.

> Also, a truly computer-literate kid would be able to figure out what to do
> with an Apple II readily, since there are still many computers today that use
> text-based interfaces (I use such interfaces all the time, as they have a
> number of advantages).

they're extremely rare.

> Put another way, these kids are clueless because they know nothing about
> computers other than the ones they hold in their hands, not because any
> particular computer is old.

no, it's because computers are vastly more user friendly than what
existed 40 years ago.

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#36063

nospam writes:

> kids figure out new products quite well. just look at how easily babies
> figure out ipads, before they can even talk.

Then why can't they figure out old products?

> they're extremely rare.

Perhaps for kids, but not in general. Text-based interfaces have even enjoyed
a resurgence because of the density of information that they can display and
the speed with which they can be used.

> no, it's because computers are vastly more user friendly than what
> existed 40 years ago.

They are slightly more friendly, not vastly.

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#36115

In article <r78oo9td7vb5mhaptnmttna6bt4j84h0c8@4ax.com>, Mxsmanic
<mxsmanic@gmail.com> wrote:

> > kids figure out new products quite well. just look at how easily babies
> > figure out ipads, before they can even talk.
> 
> Then why can't they figure out old products?

because they're used to the way new products work and have never seen
the old products.

> > they're extremely rare.
> 
> Perhaps for kids, but not in general.

yes in general.

> Text-based interfaces have even enjoyed
> a resurgence because of the density of information that they can display and
> the speed with which they can be used.

no they haven't. not even remotely true.

> > no, it's because computers are vastly more user friendly than what
> > existed 40 years ago.
> 
> They are slightly more friendly, not vastly.

they are vastly more friendly. 

babies who can't even speak can figure out how to use a tablet. good
luck trying to teach them how to use a command line.

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#36372

nospam writes:

> because they're used to the way new products work and have never seen
> the old products.

That doesn't make old products better or worse.

Odd that kids' unfamiliarity with old products is held up as proof that the
old products were unfriendly and inferior, whereas adults' unfamiliarity with
new products is held up as proof that adults are out of touch.

> no they haven't. not even remotely true.

I use text interfaces every day, sometimes even in preferece to GUIs. It's
faster.

> babies who can't even speak can figure out how to use a tablet. good
> luck trying to teach them how to use a command line.

Adults can build bridges and locomotives. Good luck teaching babies to do
that.

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#36379

In article <ltf2p91225aeq40ieq388rr156klp3ob7a@4ax.com>, Mxsmanic
<mxsmanic@gmail.com> wrote:

> 
> I use text interfaces every day, sometimes even in preferece to GUIs. It's
> faster.

you might think a text interface is faster, but it isn't.

there have been several studies that measured just how long various
tasks took with a keyboard and a mouse.

people consistently said they were faster with the keyboard, but
invariably, the clock showed otherwise, even when the tasks were
specifically designed to be well suited to a text interface.

> > babies who can't even speak can figure out how to use a tablet. good
> > luck trying to teach them how to use a command line.
> 
> Adults can build bridges and locomotives. Good luck teaching babies to do
> that.

not even remotely similar.

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#36384

In article <060620140133496141%nospam@nospam.invalid>,
 nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:

> > I use text interfaces every day, sometimes even in preferece to GUIs. It's
> > faster.
> 
> you might think a text interface is faster, but it isn't.
> 
> there have been several studies that measured just how long various
> tasks took with a keyboard and a mouse.

I think mixed use is the easiest. In another window I'm editting a C program and 
I use the mouse, mouse+keyboard, mouse on menubar, Command+keyboard. The actual 
code is typed in rather than using the mouse on the keyboard viewer, but the 
mouse+character viewer is the easiest way to enter things like Greek letters.

-- 
:-<> Siri Seal of Disavowal #000-001. Disavowed. Denied. Deleted.
'I desire mercy, not sacrifice.'
Icke's razor: Given two equally plausible explanations, choose the weirder.

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#36385

On 14-06-06 02:22, Siri Crews wrote:

> I think mixed use is the easiest. In another window I'm editting a C program and 
> I use the mouse, mouse+keyboard, mouse on menubar, Command+keyboard. The actual 
> code is typed in rather than using the mouse on the keyboard viewer, but the 
> mouse+character viewer is the easiest way to enter things like Greek letters.


It is a constant need to switch between keyboard and mouse/trackpad that
is counter productive. If you can spend much time on keyboard and only
need to use mouse from time to time, it works. If you spend much time on
mouse and rarely on keyboard (browsing, graphics programmes etc) it
works. But hybrid ones where you have to constantly switch, then you
lose productivity.


A good example was the move by PSION from keyboard only on its Series 3
PDS to mixture of keyboard and pen for its Series 5. Switching from
keyboard to Pen was a real pain when you are holding the device.

In the case of iPad and iPhone, because the keyboard is on the screen, a
switch from touchscreen to keyboard is natural because the hand need not
move much and you need not necessarily change how you hold the device.
(or move arms).

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#36389

In article <53916177$0$17195$c3e8da3$dd9697d2@news.astraweb.com>, JF
Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:

> It is a constant need to switch between keyboard and mouse/trackpad that
> is counter productive. If you can spend much time on keyboard and only
> need to use mouse from time to time, it works. If you spend much time on
> mouse and rarely on keyboard (browsing, graphics programmes etc) it
> works. But hybrid ones where you have to constantly switch, then you
> lose productivity.

this is a common myth but it's not true.

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#36454

nospam writes:

> this is a common myth but it's not true.

Why do people type text into Word instead of clicking a mouse on a graphic
keyboard, then?

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#36521

In article <3dt5p9daqqie5eg00h2bi53g2ghgn34bva@4ax.com>, Mxsmanic
<mxsmanic@gmail.com> wrote:

> Why do people type text into Word instead of clicking a mouse on a graphic
> keyboard, then?

that's a stretch, but sometimes they do click on a graphic keyboard for
special symbols.

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#36390

In article <53916177$0$17195$c3e8da3$dd9697d2@news.astraweb.com>,
 JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:

> On 14-06-06 02:22, Siri Crews wrote:
> 
> > I think mixed use is the easiest. In another window I'm editting a C 
> > program and 
> > I use the mouse, mouse+keyboard, mouse on menubar, Command+keyboard. The 
> > actual 
> > code is typed in rather than using the mouse on the keyboard viewer, but 
> > the 
> > mouse+character viewer is the easiest way to enter things like Greek 
> > letters.
> 
> 
> It is a constant need to switch between keyboard and mouse/trackpad that
> is counter productive. If you can spend much time on keyboard and only
> need to use mouse from time to time, it works. If you spend much time on
> mouse and rarely on keyboard (browsing, graphics programmes etc) it
> works. But hybrid ones where you have to constantly switch, then you
> lose productivity.

I did when penance time on vi. When I want to move the cursor quickly or select 
text, the mouse is just a few inches away. One of my problems going from O29 
edittor on the Cyber 170 console to vi was having to scroll line by line on the 
24x80 screen.

-- 
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'I desire mercy, not sacrifice.'
Icke's razor: Given two equally plausible explanations, choose the weirder.

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#36453

JF Mezei writes:

> In the case of iPad and iPhone, because the keyboard is on the screen, a
> switch from touchscreen to keyboard is natural because the hand need not
> move much and you need not necessarily change how you hold the device.
> (or move arms).

I use my iGadgets occasionally for editing code or accessing servers via SSH
in a pinch. It's immensely handy and convenient, but it sure is slow, even
with apps that are well designed. The lack of a true keyboard is the major
problem. But these are exceptions, of course, since most of the time text
entry is limited on a mobile device and a touchscreen is more of an advantage
than a disadvantage.

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#36508

"Mxsmanic" <mxsmanic@gmail.com> wrote in message 
news:59t5p9p55t8b1ku099ksf3ls3891ka5lfe@4ax.com...
> JF Mezei writes:
>
>> In the case of iPad and iPhone, because the keyboard is on the screen, a
>> switch from touchscreen to keyboard is natural because the hand need not
>> move much and you need not necessarily change how you hold the device.
>> (or move arms).
>
> I use my iGadgets occasionally for editing code or accessing servers via 
> SSH
> in a pinch. It's immensely handy and convenient, but it sure is slow, even
> with apps that are well designed. The lack of a true keyboard is the major
> problem. But these are exceptions, of course, since most of the time text
> entry is limited on a mobile device and a touchscreen is more of an 
> advantage
> than a disadvantage.

And the best UIs allow you to speak the text instead of typing anything. 

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#36518

On 2014-06-08, Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
> "Mxsmanic" <mxsmanic@gmail.com> wrote in message 
> news:59t5p9p55t8b1ku099ksf3ls3891ka5lfe@4ax.com...
>> JF Mezei writes:
>>
>>> In the case of iPad and iPhone, because the keyboard is on the
>>> screen, a switch from touchscreen to keyboard is natural because the
>>> hand need not move much and you need not necessarily change how you
>>> hold the device.  (or move arms).
>>
>> I use my iGadgets occasionally for editing code or accessing servers
>> via SSH in a pinch. It's immensely handy and convenient, but it sure
>> is slow, even with apps that are well designed. The lack of a true
>> keyboard is the major problem. But these are exceptions, of course,
>> since most of the time text entry is limited on a mobile device and a
>> touchscreen is more of an advantage than a disadvantage.
>
> And the best UIs allow you to speak the text instead of typing anything. 

You can basically do that with any iOS application by tapping the
microphone button on the keyboard.

-- 
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I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR

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#36587

Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>> Mxsmanic <mxsmanic@gmail.com> wrote
>>> JF Mezei wrote

>>>> In the case of iPad and iPhone, because the keyboard is on the
>>>> screen, a switch from touchscreen to keyboard is natural because
>>>> the hand need not move much and you need not necessarily
>>>> change how you hold the device.  (or move arms).

>>> I use my iGadgets occasionally for editing code or accessing servers
>>> via SSH in a pinch. It's immensely handy and convenient, but it sure
>>> is slow, even with apps that are well designed. The lack of a true
>>> keyboard is the major problem. But these are exceptions, of course,
>>> since most of the time text entry is limited on a mobile device and a
>>> touchscreen is more of an advantage than a disadvantage.

>> And the best UIs allow you to speak the text instead of typing anything.

> You can basically do that with any iOS application by
> tapping the microphone button on the keyboard.

Yes, that's what I was saying a bit cryptically. 

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#36536

In article <bvhtvtF33s6U2@mid.individual.net>,
 "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

> "Mxsmanic" <mxsmanic@gmail.com> wrote in message 
> news:59t5p9p55t8b1ku099ksf3ls3891ka5lfe@4ax.com...
> > JF Mezei writes:
> >
> >> In the case of iPad and iPhone, because the keyboard is on the screen, a
> >> switch from touchscreen to keyboard is natural because the hand need not
> >> move much and you need not necessarily change how you hold the device.
> >> (or move arms).
> >
> > I use my iGadgets occasionally for editing code or accessing servers via 
> > SSH
> > in a pinch. It's immensely handy and convenient, but it sure is slow, even
> > with apps that are well designed. The lack of a true keyboard is the major
> > problem. But these are exceptions, of course, since most of the time text
> > entry is limited on a mobile device and a touchscreen is more of an 
> > advantage
> > than a disadvantage.
> 
> And the best UIs allow you to speak the text instead of typing anything. 

if open paren i plus 1 greater m close paren open brace new line indent m equals 
i plus 1 semicolon new line increase buffer (all one word) open paren m close 
paren semicolon new line undent close brace.

Yes, I can see how that would work out.

    if (i+1>m) {
        m = i+1;
        increaseBuffer(m);
    }

-- 
:-<> Siri Seal of Disavowal #000-001. Disavowed. Denied. Deleted.
'I desire mercy, not sacrifice.'
Icke's razor: Given two equally plausible explanations, choose the weirder.

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#36540

"Siri Crews" <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> wrote in message 
news:chine.bleu-C1EF0E.23433907062014@news.eternal-september.org...
> In article <bvhtvtF33s6U2@mid.individual.net>,
> "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> "Mxsmanic" <mxsmanic@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:59t5p9p55t8b1ku099ksf3ls3891ka5lfe@4ax.com...
>> > JF Mezei writes:
>> >
>> >> In the case of iPad and iPhone, because the keyboard is on the screen, 
>> >> a
>> >> switch from touchscreen to keyboard is natural because the hand need 
>> >> not
>> >> move much and you need not necessarily change how you hold the device.
>> >> (or move arms).
>> >
>> > I use my iGadgets occasionally for editing code or accessing servers 
>> > via
>> > SSH
>> > in a pinch. It's immensely handy and convenient, but it sure is slow, 
>> > even
>> > with apps that are well designed. The lack of a true keyboard is the 
>> > major
>> > problem. But these are exceptions, of course, since most of the time 
>> > text
>> > entry is limited on a mobile device and a touchscreen is more of an
>> > advantage
>> > than a disadvantage.
>>
>> And the best UIs allow you to speak the text instead of typing anything.
>
> if open paren i plus 1 greater m close paren open brace new line indent m 
> equals
> i plus 1 semicolon new line increase buffer (all one word) open paren m 
> close
> paren semicolon new line undent close brace.
>
> Yes, I can see how that would work out.
>
>    if (i+1>m) {
>        m = i+1;
>        increaseBuffer(m);
>    }

Only fools use that UI for code. 

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