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  Is there a weight-loss app that doesn't require the net? Pat Wilson <patwilson@example.com> - 2014-05-19 18:48 +0000
    Re: Is there a weight-loss app that doesn't require the net? lew <citrustwosac@google.mailer.company.invalid> - 2014-05-19 20:46 +0000
      Re: Is there a weight-loss app that doesn't require the net? Neil Ellwood <niel.elllwood2@btinternet.com> - 2014-05-20 04:26 -0500
    Re: Is there a weight-loss app that doesn't require the net? Sally Thompson <sally.thompson000@gmail.com.invalid> - 2014-05-19 21:21 +0000
      Re: Is there a weight-loss app that doesn't require the net? hummingbird <hummingbird@127.0.0.1> - 2014-05-21 09:09 +0100
        Re: Is there a weight-loss app that doesn't require the net? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-05-21 15:52 +0000
          Re: Is there a weight-loss app that doesn't require the net? hummingbird <hummingbird@127.0.0.1> - 2014-05-22 10:43 +0100
    Re: Is there a weight-loss app that doesn't require the net? Shadow <Sh@dow.br> - 2014-05-19 19:28 -0300
    Re: Is there a weight-loss app that doesn't require the net? Anssi Saari <as@sci.fi> - 2014-05-20 10:15 +0300
      Re: Is there a weight-loss app that doesn't require the net? mike <ham789@netzero.net> - 2014-05-20 00:22 -0700
        Re: Is there a weight-loss app that doesn't require the net? Pat Wilson <patwilson@example.com> - 2014-05-20 07:36 +0000
          Re: Is there a weight-loss app that doesn't require the net? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-05-20 03:55 -0400
          Re: Is there a weight-loss app that doesn't require the net? mike <ham789@netzero.net> - 2014-05-20 05:22 -0700
            Re: Is there a weight-loss app that doesn't require the net? Shadow <Sh@dow.br> - 2014-05-20 13:54 -0300
              Re: Is there a weight-loss app that doesn't require the net? "p-0''0-h the cat (ES)" <super.pooh@furryfreeware.invalid> - 2014-05-20 18:22 +0100
                Re: Is there a weight-loss app that doesn't require the net? FromTheRafters <erratic@nomail.afraid.org> - 2014-05-20 13:32 -0400
                  Re: Is there a weight-loss app that doesn't require the net? "p-0''0-h the cat (ES)" <super.pooh@furryfreeware.invalid> - 2014-05-20 18:58 +0100
                Re: Is there a weight-loss app that doesn't require the net? Shadow <Sh@dow.br> - 2014-05-20 15:20 -0300
                  Re: Is there a weight-loss app that doesn't require the net? "p-0''0-h the cat (ES)" <super.pooh@furryfreeware.invalid> - 2014-05-20 20:26 +0100
        Re: Is there a weight-loss app that doesn't require the net? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-05-20 20:47 +0000
          Re: Is there a weight-loss app that doesn't require the net? "Tommy" <tommyleprechaun@yohoo.com> - 2014-05-20 22:36 +0100
            Re: Is there a weight-loss app that doesn't require the net? mike <ham789@netzero.net> - 2014-05-20 15:29 -0700
              Re: Is there a weight-loss app that doesn't require the net? "Tommy" <tommyleprechaun@yohoo.com> - 2014-05-21 00:43 +0100
                Re: Is there a weight-loss app that doesn't require the net? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-05-21 05:05 +0000
                  Re: Is there a weight-loss app that doesn't require the net? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-05-21 04:43 -0400
                  Re: Is there a weight-loss app that doesn't require the net? Shadow <Sh@dow.br> - 2014-05-21 08:08 -0300
                  Re: Is there a weight-loss app that doesn't require the net? "Tommy" <tommyleprechaun@yohoo.com> - 2014-05-21 22:12 +0100
                    Re: Is there a weight-loss app that doesn't require the net? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-05-21 22:56 +0000
                      Re: Is there a weight-loss app that doesn't require the net? "Tommy" <tommyleprechaun@yohoo.com> - 2014-05-22 00:04 +0100
                        Re: Is there a weight-loss app that doesn't require the net? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-05-21 19:27 -0400
                        Re: Is there a weight-loss app that doesn't require the net? FromTheRafters <erratic@nomail.afraid.org> - 2014-05-21 20:25 -0400
              Re: Is there a weight-loss app that doesn't require the net? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-05-21 05:04 +0000
                Re: Is there a weight-loss app that doesn't require the net? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-05-21 04:43 -0400
          Re: Is there a weight-loss app that doesn't require the net? Shadow <Sh@dow.br> - 2014-05-20 19:19 -0300
            Re: Is there a weight-loss app that doesn't require the net? "p-0''0-h the cat (ES)" <super.pooh@furryfreeware.invalid> - 2014-05-21 00:47 +0100
              Re: Is there a weight-loss app that doesn't require the net? Spit the Cat <supersecret@IPaddress.invalid> - 2014-05-21 01:51 +0100
                Re: Is there a weight-loss app that doesn't require the net? "p-0''0-h the cat (ES)" <super.pooh@furryfreeware.invalid> - 2014-05-21 01:52 +0100
                  Re: [OT]Is there a weight-loss app that doesn't require the net? Shadow <Sh@dow.br> - 2014-05-21 08:02 -0300
                Re: Is there a weight-loss app that doesn't require the net? ~BD~ <~BD~@nomail.afraid.org> - 2014-05-21 13:01 +0100
            Re: Is there a weight-loss app that doesn't require the net? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-05-21 05:13 +0000
    Re: Is there a weight-loss app that doesn't require the net? "Chris Uppal" <chris.uppal@metagnostic.REMOVE-THIS.org> - 2014-05-20 15:17 +0100
      Re: Is there a weight-loss app that doesn't require the net? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-05-20 10:34 -0400
      Re: Is there a weight-loss app that doesn't require the net? hummingbird <hummingbird@127.0.0.1> - 2014-05-22 09:29 +0100
    Re: Is there a weight-loss app that doesn't require the net? "Yes" <noone@invalid.invalid.com> - 2014-05-21 13:40 +0000
    Re: Is there a weight-loss app that doesn't require the net? Travis Bickle <3S96@taxi.net> - 2014-05-21 16:20 -0400
    Re: Is there a weight-loss app that doesn't require the net? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-05-22 11:41 -0400
    Re: Is there a weight-loss app that doesn't require the net? Jax <remove.bear.bottoms1@gmail.com> - 2014-05-26 21:17 +0100

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#34534 — Is there a weight-loss app that doesn't require the net?

I really don't want to be putting my weight on the net, 
nor what I eat, nor whom I converse with about it.

But, I really need help from a weight-loss app!
(for either my Android phone or iPad)

What I'd want that weight-loss app to do, first and 
foremost, would be to allow me to enter in what I eat,
not by Calories, but by (small/medium/large) item. 

For example:
1 large bananna, 1 small cup coffee, 1 teaspoon sugar,
1/2 pound lean lean beef, 1 medium head of lettuce, etc.

Then, all I want the program to do is calculate my
caloric intake, and, keep track of results ON MY DEVICE
(not on the net!).

Ideally, it should 'project' my weight loss over time, 
e.g., it should give me some kind of progress report
against my long-term weight goals.

Is there *any* weight-loss app that will help me 
track my caloric intake that does not require me 
to put my weight and calories out there on the web?

Note: I installed myfitnesspal, livestrong, & Lose it!
before I realized I needed to ask this question, because
all three of those required a login to work.

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#34551

On 2014-05-19, Pat Wilson <patwilson@example.com> wrote:
> I really don't want to be putting my weight on the net, 
> nor what I eat, nor whom I converse with about it.
>
> But, I really need help from a weight-loss app!
> (for either my Android phone or iPad)
>
> What I'd want that weight-loss app to do, first and 
> foremost, would be to allow me to enter in what I eat,
> not by Calories, but by (small/medium/large) item. 
>
> For example:
> 1 large bananna, 1 small cup coffee, 1 teaspoon sugar,
> 1/2 pound lean lean beef, 1 medium head of lettuce, etc.
>
> Then, all I want the program to do is calculate my
> caloric intake, and, keep track of results ON MY DEVICE
> (not on the net!).
>
> Ideally, it should 'project' my weight loss over time, 
> e.g., it should give me some kind of progress report
> against my long-term weight goals.
>
> Is there *any* weight-loss app that will help me 
> track my caloric intake that does not require me 
> to put my weight and calories out there on the web?
>
> Note: I installed myfitnesspal, livestrong, & Lose it!
> before I realized I needed to ask this question, because
> all three of those required a login to work.
>

You might try Tracker2Go; claims doesn't require net access BUT
it does look like it does use/search the net for food items entries
for its local database.  Has both ipad & android apps; looks to
NOT use internet storage.

Or you can get DietOrganizer for the windows pc; doesn't use
the internet for storage.

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#34633

On Mon, 19 May 2014 20:46:48 +0000, lew wrote:

> On 2014-05-19, Pat Wilson <patwilson@example.com> wrote:
>> I really don't want to be putting my weight on the net, nor what I eat,
>> nor whom I converse with about it.
>>
>> But, I really need help from a weight-loss app!
>> (for either my Android phone or iPad)
>
>>
> You might try Tracker2Go; claims doesn't require net access BUT it does
> look like it does use/search the net for food items entries for its
> local database.  Has both ipad & android apps; looks to NOT use internet
> storage.
> 
> Or you can get DietOrganizer for the windows pc; doesn't use the
> internet for storage.


You could put DietOrganizer on a laptop and use without ever connecting 
the laptop to the net.


-- 
Neil
Reverse ‘i’ and ‘e’ 
Remove ‘l’ to get address.

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#34556

Pat Wilson <patwilson@example.com> wrote:
> I really don't want to be putting my weight on the net, 
> nor what I eat, nor whom I converse with about it.
> 
> But, I really need help from a weight-loss app!
> (for either my Android phone or iPad)
> 
> What I'd want that weight-loss app to do, first and 
> foremost, would be to allow me to enter in what I eat,
> not by Calories, but by (small/medium/large) item. 
> 
> For example:
> 1 large bananna, 1 small cup coffee, 1 teaspoon sugar,
> 1/2 pound lean lean beef, 1 medium head of lettuce, etc.
> 
> Then, all I want the program to do is calculate my
> caloric intake, and, keep track of results ON MY DEVICE
> (not on the net!).
> 
> Ideally, it should 'project' my weight loss over time, 
> e.g., it should give me some kind of progress report
> against my long-term weight goals.
> 
> Is there *any* weight-loss app that will help me 
> track my caloric intake that does not require me 
> to put my weight and calories out there on the web?
> 
> Note: I installed myfitnesspal, livestrong, & Lose it!
> before I realized I needed to ask this question, because
> all three of those required a login to work.

MyFitnessPal doesn't put anything on the net unless you choose to do so.

-- 
Sally

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#34852

On 19 May 2014 21:21:08 GMT, Sally Thompson wrote :
> Pat Wilson <patwilson@example.com> wrote:
> > I really don't want to be putting my weight on the net, 
> > nor what I eat, nor whom I converse with about it.
> > 
> > But, I really need help from a weight-loss app!
> > (for either my Android phone or iPad)
> > 
> > What I'd want that weight-loss app to do, first and 
> > foremost, would be to allow me to enter in what I eat,
> > not by Calories, but by (small/medium/large) item. 
> > 
> > For example:
> > 1 large bananna, 1 small cup coffee, 1 teaspoon sugar,
> > 1/2 pound lean lean beef, 1 medium head of lettuce, etc.
> > 
> > Then, all I want the program to do is calculate my
> > caloric intake, and, keep track of results ON MY DEVICE
> > (not on the net!).
> > 
> > Ideally, it should 'project' my weight loss over time, 
> > e.g., it should give me some kind of progress report
> > against my long-term weight goals.
> > 
> > Is there *any* weight-loss app that will help me 
> > track my caloric intake that does not require me 
> > to put my weight and calories out there on the web?
> > 
> > Note: I installed myfitnesspal, livestrong, & Lose it!
> > before I realized I needed to ask this question, because
> > all three of those required a login to work.
> 
> MyFitnessPal doesn't put anything on the net unless you choose to do so.

Erm ...I think you're confused. OK but this thread wasn't about extreme 
programs, more those which have some sort of trivial irritation, which is 
where the disagreement comes in. There's nothing legendary about these 
fitness techniques, only morons who don't understand how it works.

You're free to check my facts. 

hb
-- 
  "All truth passes through three stages.
  First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed,
  and third, it is accepted as self-evident"
   (Arthur Schopenhauer)

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#34894

On 2014-05-21, hummingbird <hummingbird@127.0.0.1> wrote:
> On 19 May 2014 21:21:08 GMT, Sally Thompson wrote :
>> Pat Wilson <patwilson@example.com> wrote:
>> > I really don't want to be putting my weight on the net, 
>> > nor what I eat, nor whom I converse with about it.
>> > 
>> > But, I really need help from a weight-loss app!
>> > (for either my Android phone or iPad)
>> > 
>> > What I'd want that weight-loss app to do, first and 
>> > foremost, would be to allow me to enter in what I eat,
>> > not by Calories, but by (small/medium/large) item. 
>> > 
>> > For example:
>> > 1 large bananna, 1 small cup coffee, 1 teaspoon sugar,
>> > 1/2 pound lean lean beef, 1 medium head of lettuce, etc.
>> > 
>> > Then, all I want the program to do is calculate my
>> > caloric intake, and, keep track of results ON MY DEVICE
>> > (not on the net!).
>> > 
>> > Ideally, it should 'project' my weight loss over time, 
>> > e.g., it should give me some kind of progress report
>> > against my long-term weight goals.
>> > 
>> > Is there *any* weight-loss app that will help me 
>> > track my caloric intake that does not require me 
>> > to put my weight and calories out there on the web?
>> > 
>> > Note: I installed myfitnesspal, livestrong, & Lose it!
>> > before I realized I needed to ask this question, because
>> > all three of those required a login to work.
>> 
>> MyFitnessPal doesn't put anything on the net unless you choose to do so.
>
> Erm ...I think you're confused. OK but this thread wasn't about extreme 
> programs, more those which have some sort of trivial irritation, which is 
> where the disagreement comes in. There's nothing legendary about these 
> fitness techniques, only morons who don't understand how it works.
>
> You're free to check my facts. 
>
> hb

What the hell are you even talking about?

-- 
E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter.
I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR

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#34948

On 21 May 2014 15:52:43 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote :
> On 2014-05-21, hummingbird <hummingbird@127.0.0.1> wrote:
> > On 19 May 2014 21:21:08 GMT, Sally Thompson wrote :
> >> Pat Wilson <patwilson@example.com> wrote:
> >> > I really don't want to be putting my weight on the net, 
> >> > nor what I eat, nor whom I converse with about it.
> >> > 
> >> > But, I really need help from a weight-loss app!
> >> > (for either my Android phone or iPad)
> >> > 
> >> > What I'd want that weight-loss app to do, first and 
> >> > foremost, would be to allow me to enter in what I eat,
> >> > not by Calories, but by (small/medium/large) item. 
> >> > 
> >> > For example:
> >> > 1 large bananna, 1 small cup coffee, 1 teaspoon sugar,
> >> > 1/2 pound lean lean beef, 1 medium head of lettuce, etc.
> >> > 
> >> > Then, all I want the program to do is calculate my
> >> > caloric intake, and, keep track of results ON MY DEVICE
> >> > (not on the net!).
> >> > 
> >> > Ideally, it should 'project' my weight loss over time, 
> >> > e.g., it should give me some kind of progress report
> >> > against my long-term weight goals.
> >> > 
> >> > Is there *any* weight-loss app that will help me 
> >> > track my caloric intake that does not require me 
> >> > to put my weight and calories out there on the web?
> >> > 
> >> > Note: I installed myfitnesspal, livestrong, & Lose it!
> >> > before I realized I needed to ask this question, because
> >> > all three of those required a login to work.
> >> 
> >> MyFitnessPal doesn't put anything on the net unless you choose to do so.
> >
> > Erm ...I think you're confused. OK but this thread wasn't about extreme 
> > programs, more those which have some sort of trivial irritation, which is 
> > where the disagreement comes in. There's nothing legendary about these 
> > fitness techniques, only morons who don't understand how it works.
> >
> > You're free to check my facts. 
> >
> > hb
> 
> What the hell are you even talking about?

Thas post of yours may seem to be innocent and constructive but is in 
fact only intended to further fan the flames of disharmony on ACF.

I suggest you give it a rest before all hell breaks lose.

hb
-- 
  "All truth passes through three stages.
  First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed,
  and third, it is accepted as self-evident"
   (Arthur Schopenhauer)

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#34563

On Mon, 19 May 2014 18:48:42 +0000 (UTC), Pat Wilson
<patwilson@example.com> wrote:

	Yes, it's called a diet. I lost 22 lbs in 2 months doing it.
	Exercise helps too. Keep your digestive system working with
muesli, plenty of water. Top up on vitamin C, but over 70 Mg a day is
an overkill.
	Seriously, though, losing weight is about not having that
extra spoonful. And definitely not about weighing yourself every day.
You don't want your phone reminding you about food 24/7, do you ?
	People that do fanatic diets always regain weight. 
	HTH
	[]'s
-- 
Don't be evil - Google 2004
We have a new policy  - Google 2012

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#34619

Pat Wilson <patwilson@example.com> writes:

> I really don't want to be putting my weight on the net, 
> nor what I eat, nor whom I converse with about it.
>
> But, I really need help from a weight-loss app!
> (for either my Android phone or iPad)
>
> What I'd want that weight-loss app to do, first and 
> foremost, would be to allow me to enter in what I eat,
> not by Calories, but by (small/medium/large) item. 

I used Noom some years ago. I'm not sure if it's online or not but I
think not. Food logging was simplified to size and color, color being
just green/yellow/red corresponding roughly to calory density. I felt
that was a little too vague for food logging. Worth a look though.

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#34621

On 5/20/2014 12:15 AM, Anssi Saari wrote:
> Pat Wilson <patwilson@example.com> writes:
>
>> I really don't want to be putting my weight on the net,
>> nor what I eat, nor whom I converse with about it.
>>
>> But, I really need help from a weight-loss app!
>> (for either my Android phone or iPad)
>>
>> What I'd want that weight-loss app to do, first and
>> foremost, would be to allow me to enter in what I eat,
>> not by Calories, but by (small/medium/large) item.
>
> I used Noom some years ago. I'm not sure if it's online or not but I
> think not. Food logging was simplified to size and color, color being
> just green/yellow/red corresponding roughly to calory density. I felt
> that was a little too vague for food logging. Worth a look though.
>
best way to use your phone for weight loss is to keep it
10 miles from home.
Run there whenever you need to use it.
No apps required.  Don't even need phone service.

Weight loss is not rocket science.
It's lifestyle change.
EXERCISE.
Always stay hungry.
Never eat anything that tastes good...that eliminates fat and sugar.
Do that and you will loose weight and not gain it back at the end of
your "diet".
Not difficult at all...but it is boring.
Best thing to do when you're bored is exercise.

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#34623

mike wrote, on Tue, 20 May 2014 00:22:30 -0700:

> Weight loss is not rocket science.
> It's lifestyle change.

You are correct. It's a huge mental change.
Weight loss is much more than simple math.

The *easy* part of the math, the part that everyone knows 
already, is understanding that one needs to burn more 
and/or eat less to lose weight.

That math is so trivially simple (and correct) that for 
people to repeat it, as advice, means they don't get it. 

I repeat: Anyone who says losing weight is as simple as
burning more and/or eating less, isn't worth talking
to, because they don't understand the problem at all.

You understand the problem.

The problem is not realizing one has to burn more and/or 
eat less. If it were that simple, nobody would be a BBW.
Everyone would be perfect.

The problem is that eating less and burning more requires
a *lot* of psychological management.

That's why there are sooooo many different diets out there.
They all make use of psychology. 

However, it's not even *that* simple.

If one psychological method worked to make people burn
more and eat less, we'd only need a single diet book
and everyone would be thin again.

So, everyone has to find the psychological method that
works for *them*!

For me, it's the ability to *easily* enter into my 
portable device the food I eat in general terms (e.g., 
1 large bowl of pasta, 1 8oz glass of milk, etc.), 
and then to have the application calculate the calories.

All the application has to do is summarize those 
calories per day against my weight-loss goals.

I don't see *why* every program I have tested needs
the Internet to do that. Why can't they just have a 
database like offline map programs do?

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#34629

In article <llf0m3$uo4$1@dont-email.me>, Pat Wilson
<patwilson@example.com> wrote:

> I don't see *why* every program I have tested needs
> the Internet to do that. Why can't they just have a 
> database like offline map programs do?

many have it only on the device.

however, having it in the cloud means you can access it from more than
one device.

you can always use a disposable email for an account registration.

also, cut down on the pasta and other carbohydrates if you really want
to lose weight.

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#34635

On 5/20/2014 12:36 AM, Pat Wilson wrote:

>
> The problem is that eating less and burning more requires
> a *lot* of psychological management.
>
That's a smoke screen.
It requires a DECISION.
If you decide not to enter McDonalds, you're unlikely to consume a big mac.
If you decide not to enter the pizza place, you're unlikely to eat one.
If you decide not to enter the donut shop, you won't be eating any.
If you decide to walk three miles to the library, you'll get some 
exercise.  You'll be much more likely to accomplish the task
than if you ride a stationary bike in sight of the refrigerator.
You can't quit and have a snack when you're 2 miles from home.
I sold my treadmill and stationary bike and bought walking shoes
and a real bicycle.
Have a plan and a destination for everything you do.

Plan your activities around NOT eating.  Avoid places where
eating happens.  If you're not hungry, you're eating too much.
If it tastes good, you probably shouldn't eat it.
Get used to it.

You can manage what you measure.  SO, measure what you want to
manage.
It's futile to measure calories when what you care about is weight.
Step on the scale every morning.  If you don't weigh less than the
previous morning, you ate too much for your level of activity.
It's a DIRECT measurement related to your goal.  No excuses.  No psychology.
No blaming the calorie counter.
Eat less or exercise more or both today.
Doesn't have to be a big weight change.
Little reductions add up.
Don't get in a hurry.  Lifestyle changes never end.  You've got
all the time you need, as long as the trend is down.

Food is not a reward.
Weight is a penalty.

That's my pet peeve for cellphones.  They are excuses to go thru
life randomly in response to the inputs of others.
Hang up the damn smart phone and take charge of your life.

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#34674

On Tue, 20 May 2014 05:22:49 -0700, mike <ham789@netzero.net> wrote:

>On 5/20/2014 12:36 AM, Pat Wilson wrote:
>
>>
>> The problem is that eating less and burning more requires
>> a *lot* of psychological management.
>>
>That's a smoke screen.
>It requires a DECISION.
>If you decide not to enter McDonalds, you're unlikely to consume a big mac.
>If you decide not to enter the pizza place, you're unlikely to eat one.
>If you decide not to enter the donut shop, you won't be eating any.
>If you decide to walk three miles to the library, you'll get some 
>exercise.  You'll be much more likely to accomplish the task
>than if you ride a stationary bike in sight of the refrigerator.
>You can't quit and have a snack when you're 2 miles from home.
>I sold my treadmill and stationary bike and bought walking shoes
>and a real bicycle.
>Have a plan and a destination for everything you do.
>
>Plan your activities around NOT eating.  Avoid places where
>eating happens.  If you're not hungry, you're eating too much.
>If it tastes good, you probably shouldn't eat it.
>Get used to it.
>
>You can manage what you measure.  SO, measure what you want to
>manage.
>It's futile to measure calories when what you care about is weight.
>Step on the scale every morning.  If you don't weigh less than the
>previous morning, you ate too much for your level of activity.
>It's a DIRECT measurement related to your goal.  No excuses.  No psychology.
>No blaming the calorie counter.
>Eat less or exercise more or both today.
>Doesn't have to be a big weight change.
>Little reductions add up.
>Don't get in a hurry.  Lifestyle changes never end.  You've got
>all the time you need, as long as the trend is down.
>
>Food is not a reward.
>Weight is a penalty.
>
>That's my pet peeve for cellphones.  They are excuses to go thru
>life randomly in response to the inputs of others.
>Hang up the damn smart phone and take charge of your life.

	Hence my response. When people go on a diet, they tend to
become constipated. Muesli not only digests very slowly, hence keeping
you satiated a longer time, but also stimulates your digestive system,
and contains almost all the vitamins and minerals you need (if coupled
with milk). There is no vitamin C though.
	Drink plenty of water. There are no calories in water.
	Maintaining a low fast-absorption-carbohydrate diet (no
sugars) forces your liver to produce enzymes that break fat up to make
the glucose your body needs, so after a few days of irritability,
tachycardia and headaches your body adapts, and you feel normal, even
when eating very little.
	Try not to lose more than 3 kg a month. More than that and the
tendency to rebound is much higher.
	I agree to the above post, except for the hunger part. As I
said, if you cut out sugars, hunger tends to go away.

	http://ndb.nal.usda.gov/

	Has a lot of info, but info will not make you slim.
	PS Granola = Muesli+sugar (not a good idea)
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#34680

On Tue, 20 May 2014 13:54:43 -0300, Shadow <Sh@dow.br> wrote:

>On Tue, 20 May 2014 05:22:49 -0700, mike <ham789@netzero.net> wrote:
>
>>On 5/20/2014 12:36 AM, Pat Wilson wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> The problem is that eating less and burning more requires
>>> a *lot* of psychological management.
>>>
>>That's a smoke screen.
>>It requires a DECISION.
>>If you decide not to enter McDonalds, you're unlikely to consume a big mac.
>>If you decide not to enter the pizza place, you're unlikely to eat one.
>>If you decide not to enter the donut shop, you won't be eating any.
>>If you decide to walk three miles to the library, you'll get some 
>>exercise.  You'll be much more likely to accomplish the task
>>than if you ride a stationary bike in sight of the refrigerator.
>>You can't quit and have a snack when you're 2 miles from home.
>>I sold my treadmill and stationary bike and bought walking shoes
>>and a real bicycle.
>>Have a plan and a destination for everything you do.
>>
>>Plan your activities around NOT eating.  Avoid places where
>>eating happens.  If you're not hungry, you're eating too much.
>>If it tastes good, you probably shouldn't eat it.
>>Get used to it.
>>
>>You can manage what you measure.  SO, measure what you want to
>>manage.
>>It's futile to measure calories when what you care about is weight.
>>Step on the scale every morning.  If you don't weigh less than the
>>previous morning, you ate too much for your level of activity.
>>It's a DIRECT measurement related to your goal.  No excuses.  No psychology.
>>No blaming the calorie counter.
>>Eat less or exercise more or both today.
>>Doesn't have to be a big weight change.
>>Little reductions add up.
>>Don't get in a hurry.  Lifestyle changes never end.  You've got
>>all the time you need, as long as the trend is down.
>>
>>Food is not a reward.
>>Weight is a penalty.
>>
>>That's my pet peeve for cellphones.  They are excuses to go thru
>>life randomly in response to the inputs of others.
>>Hang up the damn smart phone and take charge of your life.
>
>	Hence my response. When people go on a diet, they tend to
>become constipated. Muesli not only digests very slowly, hence keeping
>you satiated a longer time, but also stimulates your digestive system,
>and contains almost all the vitamins and minerals you need (if coupled
>with milk). There is no vitamin C though.
>	Drink plenty of water. There are no calories in water.
>	Maintaining a low fast-absorption-carbohydrate diet (no
>sugars) forces your liver to produce enzymes that break fat up to make
>the glucose your body needs, so after a few days of irritability,
>tachycardia and headaches your body adapts, and you feel normal, even
>when eating very little.
>	Try not to lose more than 3 kg a month. More than that and the
>tendency to rebound is much higher.
>	I agree to the above post, except for the hunger part. As I
>said, if you cut out sugars, hunger tends to go away.
>
>	http://ndb.nal.usda.gov/
>
>	Has a lot of info, but info will not make you slim.
>	PS Granola = Muesli+sugar (not a good idea)

Do you have to eat the Muesli that's mostly crushed oats and dust, or is
the yummy nutty, dried fruit, and raison stuff OK?

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#34682

p-0''0-h the cat (ES) submitted this idea :
> On Tue, 20 May 2014 13:54:43 -0300, Shadow <Sh@dow.br> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 20 May 2014 05:22:49 -0700, mike <ham789@netzero.net> wrote:
>> 
>>> On 5/20/2014 12:36 AM, Pat Wilson wrote:
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> The problem is that eating less and burning more requires
>>>> a *lot* of psychological management.
>>>> 
>>> That's a smoke screen.
>>> It requires a DECISION.
>>> If you decide not to enter McDonalds, you're unlikely to consume a big mac.
>>> If you decide not to enter the pizza place, you're unlikely to eat one.
>>> If you decide not to enter the donut shop, you won't be eating any.
>>> If you decide to walk three miles to the library, you'll get some 
>>> exercise.  You'll be much more likely to accomplish the task
>>> than if you ride a stationary bike in sight of the refrigerator.
>>> You can't quit and have a snack when you're 2 miles from home.
>>> I sold my treadmill and stationary bike and bought walking shoes
>>> and a real bicycle.
>>> Have a plan and a destination for everything you do.
>>> 
>>> Plan your activities around NOT eating.  Avoid places where
>>> eating happens.  If you're not hungry, you're eating too much.
>>> If it tastes good, you probably shouldn't eat it.
>>> Get used to it.
>>> 
>>> You can manage what you measure.  SO, measure what you want to
>>> manage.
>>> It's futile to measure calories when what you care about is weight.
>>> Step on the scale every morning.  If you don't weigh less than the
>>> previous morning, you ate too much for your level of activity.
>>> It's a DIRECT measurement related to your goal.  No excuses.  No 
>>> psychology. No blaming the calorie counter.
>>> Eat less or exercise more or both today.
>>> Doesn't have to be a big weight change.
>>> Little reductions add up.
>>> Don't get in a hurry.  Lifestyle changes never end.  You've got
>>> all the time you need, as long as the trend is down.
>>> 
>>> Food is not a reward.
>>> Weight is a penalty.
>>> 
>>> That's my pet peeve for cellphones.  They are excuses to go thru
>>> life randomly in response to the inputs of others.
>>> Hang up the damn smart phone and take charge of your life.
>> 
>> 	Hence my response. When people go on a diet, they tend to
>> become constipated. Muesli not only digests very slowly, hence keeping
>> you satiated a longer time, but also stimulates your digestive system,
>> and contains almost all the vitamins and minerals you need (if coupled
>> with milk). There is no vitamin C though.
>> 	Drink plenty of water. There are no calories in water.
>> 	Maintaining a low fast-absorption-carbohydrate diet (no
>> sugars) forces your liver to produce enzymes that break fat up to make
>> the glucose your body needs, so after a few days of irritability,
>> tachycardia and headaches your body adapts, and you feel normal, even
>> when eating very little.
>> 	Try not to lose more than 3 kg a month. More than that and the
>> tendency to rebound is much higher.
>> 	I agree to the above post, except for the hunger part. As I
>> said, if you cut out sugars, hunger tends to go away.
>> 
>> 	http://ndb.nal.usda.gov/
>> 
>> 	Has a lot of info, but info will not make you slim.
>> 	PS Granola = Muesli+sugar (not a good idea)
>
> Do you have to eat the Muesli that's mostly crushed oats and dust, or is
> the yummy nutty, dried fruit, and raison stuff OK?

http://pets.webmd.com/cats/ss/slideshow-foods-your-cat-should-never-eat

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#34687

On Tue, 20 May 2014 13:32:09 -0400, FromTheRafters
<erratic@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

>p-0''0-h the cat (ES) submitted this idea :
>> On Tue, 20 May 2014 13:54:43 -0300, Shadow <Sh@dow.br> wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, 20 May 2014 05:22:49 -0700, mike <ham789@netzero.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> On 5/20/2014 12:36 AM, Pat Wilson wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> The problem is that eating less and burning more requires
>>>>> a *lot* of psychological management.
>>>>> 
>>>> That's a smoke screen.
>>>> It requires a DECISION.
>>>> If you decide not to enter McDonalds, you're unlikely to consume a big mac.
>>>> If you decide not to enter the pizza place, you're unlikely to eat one.
>>>> If you decide not to enter the donut shop, you won't be eating any.
>>>> If you decide to walk three miles to the library, you'll get some 
>>>> exercise.  You'll be much more likely to accomplish the task
>>>> than if you ride a stationary bike in sight of the refrigerator.
>>>> You can't quit and have a snack when you're 2 miles from home.
>>>> I sold my treadmill and stationary bike and bought walking shoes
>>>> and a real bicycle.
>>>> Have a plan and a destination for everything you do.
>>>> 
>>>> Plan your activities around NOT eating.  Avoid places where
>>>> eating happens.  If you're not hungry, you're eating too much.
>>>> If it tastes good, you probably shouldn't eat it.
>>>> Get used to it.
>>>> 
>>>> You can manage what you measure.  SO, measure what you want to
>>>> manage.
>>>> It's futile to measure calories when what you care about is weight.
>>>> Step on the scale every morning.  If you don't weigh less than the
>>>> previous morning, you ate too much for your level of activity.
>>>> It's a DIRECT measurement related to your goal.  No excuses.  No 
>>>> psychology. No blaming the calorie counter.
>>>> Eat less or exercise more or both today.
>>>> Doesn't have to be a big weight change.
>>>> Little reductions add up.
>>>> Don't get in a hurry.  Lifestyle changes never end.  You've got
>>>> all the time you need, as long as the trend is down.
>>>> 
>>>> Food is not a reward.
>>>> Weight is a penalty.
>>>> 
>>>> That's my pet peeve for cellphones.  They are excuses to go thru
>>>> life randomly in response to the inputs of others.
>>>> Hang up the damn smart phone and take charge of your life.
>>> 
>>> 	Hence my response. When people go on a diet, they tend to
>>> become constipated. Muesli not only digests very slowly, hence keeping
>>> you satiated a longer time, but also stimulates your digestive system,
>>> and contains almost all the vitamins and minerals you need (if coupled
>>> with milk). There is no vitamin C though.
>>> 	Drink plenty of water. There are no calories in water.
>>> 	Maintaining a low fast-absorption-carbohydrate diet (no
>>> sugars) forces your liver to produce enzymes that break fat up to make
>>> the glucose your body needs, so after a few days of irritability,
>>> tachycardia and headaches your body adapts, and you feel normal, even
>>> when eating very little.
>>> 	Try not to lose more than 3 kg a month. More than that and the
>>> tendency to rebound is much higher.
>>> 	I agree to the above post, except for the hunger part. As I
>>> said, if you cut out sugars, hunger tends to go away.
>>> 
>>> 	http://ndb.nal.usda.gov/
>>> 
>>> 	Has a lot of info, but info will not make you slim.
>>> 	PS Granola = Muesli+sugar (not a good idea)
>>
>> Do you have to eat the Muesli that's mostly crushed oats and dust, or is
>> the yummy nutty, dried fruit, and raison stuff OK?
>
>http://pets.webmd.com/cats/ss/slideshow-foods-your-cat-should-never-eat
>

Thank you. I think that plate of liver would kill a human.

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#34693

On Tue, 20 May 2014 18:22:36 +0100, "p-0''0-h the cat (ES)"
<super.pooh@furryfreeware.invalid> wrote:

>Do you have to eat the Muesli that's mostly crushed oats and dust, or is
>the yummy nutty, dried fruit, and raison stuff OK?

	I'm a luxurious dieter.
	(though sometimes I actually add oats when I penitent.)
	;)
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#34710

On Tue, 20 May 2014 15:20:42 -0300, Shadow <Sh@dow.br> wrote:

>On Tue, 20 May 2014 18:22:36 +0100, "p-0''0-h the cat (ES)"
><super.pooh@furryfreeware.invalid> wrote:
>
>>Do you have to eat the Muesli that's mostly crushed oats and dust, or is
>>the yummy nutty, dried fruit, and raison stuff OK?
>
>	I'm a luxurious dieter.
>	(though sometimes I actually add oats when I penitent.)

Boutros Boutros-Ghali

Actually sounds doable, providing we are talking organic full cream milk
here and not the skinny piss of satan. I eat muesli everyday anyway.

Drinking lots of water is a whole lot easier when it's Scorchio!

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#34734

In message <llevs7$pfd$1@dont-email.me> 
  mike <ham789@netzero.net> wrote:
> On 5/20/2014 12:15 AM, Anssi Saari wrote:
>> Pat Wilson <patwilson@example.com> writes:
>>
>>> I really don't want to be putting my weight on the net,
>>> nor what I eat, nor whom I converse with about it.
>>>
>>> But, I really need help from a weight-loss app!
>>> (for either my Android phone or iPad)
>>>
>>> What I'd want that weight-loss app to do, first and
>>> foremost, would be to allow me to enter in what I eat,
>>> not by Calories, but by (small/medium/large) item.
>>
>> I used Noom some years ago. I'm not sure if it's online or not but I
>> think not. Food logging was simplified to size and color, color being
>> just green/yellow/red corresponding roughly to calory density. I felt
>> that was a little too vague for food logging. Worth a look though.
>>
> best way to use your phone for weight loss is to keep it
> 10 miles from home.
> Run there whenever you need to use it.
> No apps required.  Don't even need phone service.

> Weight loss is not rocket science.
> It's lifestyle change.
> EXERCISE.

Yes.

> Always stay hungry.

The absolute worse possible advice.

> Never eat anything that tastes good...that eliminates fat and sugar.
> Do that and you will loose weight and not gain it back at the end of
> your "diet".

The human body has no mechanism to convert ingested fat into stored fat.
Eating Fat does not make you fat.


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