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  iPhone USB access B00ze <B00ze64@hotmail.com> - 2024-12-20 21:50 -0500
    Re: iPhone USB access VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2024-12-20 21:35 -0600
      Re: iPhone USB access Dave Royal <dave@dave123royal.com> - 2024-12-21 07:37 +0000
        Re: iPhone USB access VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2024-12-21 03:51 -0600
          Re: iPhone USB access Dave Royal <dave@dave123royal.com> - 2024-12-21 11:18 +0000
            Re: iPhone USB access Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2024-12-21 12:27 +0100
              Re: iPhone USB access Dave Royal <dave@dave123royal.com> - 2024-12-21 12:47 +0000
                Re: iPhone USB access "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-12-21 14:10 +0100
                  Re: iPhone USB access Andrew <andys@nospam.com> - 2024-12-21 16:22 +0000
            Re: iPhone USB access VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2024-12-21 11:54 -0600
              Re: iPhone USB access Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-12-21 19:19 +0000
                Re: iPhone USB access VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2024-12-21 14:25 -0600
                  Re: iPhone USB access Frankie <frankie@nospam.usa> - 2024-12-21 20:30 +0000
                  Re: iPhone USB access Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-12-22 11:07 +0000
                    Re: iPhone USB access VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2024-12-22 19:15 -0600
                      Re: iPhone USB access Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-12-23 14:40 +0000
                        Re: iPhone USB access Andrew <andys@nospam.com> - 2024-12-23 16:59 +0000
          Re: iPhone USB access Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2024-12-21 12:25 +0100
    Re: iPhone USB access Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2024-12-21 08:39 +0100
    Re: iPhone USB access Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> - 2024-12-21 11:25 +0000
      Re: iPhone USB access Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2024-12-21 12:29 +0100
      Re: iPhone USB access Andrew <andys@nospam.com> - 2024-12-21 18:04 +0000
        Re: iPhone USB access Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> - 2024-12-21 18:37 +0000
          Re: iPhone USB access Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-21 10:41 -0800
            Re: iPhone USB access Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> - 2024-12-21 18:52 +0000
              Re: iPhone USB access Andrew <andys@nospam.com> - 2024-12-21 20:15 +0000
                Re: iPhone USB access Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-21 12:32 -0800
                  Re: iPhone USB access Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> - 2024-12-22 18:57 +0000
                    Re: iPhone USB access Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2024-12-22 17:07 -0500
                      Re: iPhone USB access Andrew <andys@nospam.com> - 2024-12-23 00:56 +0000
                        Re: iPhone USB access Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-22 18:46 -0800
    Re: iPhone USB access Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2024-12-21 12:52 +0000
      Re: iPhone USB access "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-12-21 14:15 +0100
        Re: iPhone USB access Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2024-12-21 15:26 +0100
          Re: iPhone USB access Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> - 2024-12-21 18:44 +0000
            Re: iPhone USB access Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2024-12-21 21:55 +0100
      Re: iPhone USB access Andrew <andys@nospam.com> - 2024-12-21 20:24 +0000
        Re: iPhone USB access Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-21 13:00 -0800
      Re: iPhone USB access Quincy the fifth <quincythefifth@telekom.net> - 2024-12-21 21:26 +0100
    Re: iPhone USB access Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-12-22 20:19 +0000
      Re: iPhone USB access Andrew <andys@nospam.com> - 2024-12-23 01:01 +0000
        Re: iPhone USB access Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-22 17:17 -0800
    Re: iPhone USB access B00ze <B00ze64@hotmail.com> - 2024-12-23 22:12 -0500

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#145473

On 21.12.24 12:25, Ed Cryer wrote:
> B00ze wrote:
>> Good day.
>>
>> I'm an Android user thinking of getting an iPhone, and I see articles
>> about apps that let ppl share files with their PCs, and I'm wondering
>> why is there such an app? If I plug an iPhone into my PC's USB port, do
>> I not get access to the iPhone's filesysten?
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
> 
> I've been backing up iPads to Windows PCs for years, using iTunes.
> The program is heavy and cluttered, but it does work and it gives me
> access to all the books, pictures, videos etc. on the Pad.

My goodness! These things are backed up to the iCloud.


-- 
"Gutta cavat lapidem." (Ovid)

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#145496

Ed Cryer wrote on Sat, 21 Dec 2024 11:25:16 +0000 :

> I've been backing up iPads to Windows PCs for years, using iTunes.
> The program is heavy and cluttered, but it does work and it gives me 
> access to all the books, pictures, videos etc. on the Pad.
> 
> I tried out a few other apps, such as iBrowse, but they promised more 
> than they delivered. And then I found out that they simply browsed the 
> Windows files created by iTunes. Sneaky devils!

Ed Cryer is correct, however the installation of Windows iTunes
historically has been considered the canonical example of bloatware.
 <https://www.zdnet.com/article/the-unofficial-guide-to-installing-itunes-10-without-bloatware/>

Of course, with effort, you can remove most of the Apple bloatware.
 <https://www.howtogeek.com/28727/how-to-install-itunes-without-extra-bloat/>

The Windows iTunes is poorly supported by Apple so it's also generally
considered an example of unnecessary tools which add zero-day holes.
 <https://cybersecuritynews.com/itunes-0-day-privilege-escalation-windows/>

The existence of so many 0-day holes shows Apple has never tested iTunes.
 <https://duckduckgo.com/?t=h_&q=window+itunes+security+zero-day>

Worse, when you add iTunes, you actually *reduce* Windows' functionality!
 <https://i.postimg.cc/MT0CxMbZ/ipod007.jpg>
 <https://i.postimg.cc/rsj2G0KZ/ipod006.jpg>
 <https://i.postimg.cc/7hwyTMYT/ipod005.jpg>
 <https://i.postimg.cc/25LmpSK3/ipod004.jpg>
 <https://i.postimg.cc/RZF4RR17/ipod003.jpg>
 <https://i.postimg.cc/hPMKTwm4/ipod002.jpg>
 <https://i.postimg.cc/jdRsWKLk/ipod001.jpg>

Still, I have as many iOS devices (along with Windows & Android) as anyone
does, so you just have to live with the fact Apple hates interoperability.

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#145499

Andrew wrote:

> 
> Of course, with effort, you can remove most of the Apple bloatware.
> <https://www.howtogeek.com/28727/how-to-install-itunes-without-extra- 
> bloat/>
> 

Good Lord, pal; that article is from 2010, moving from Itunes 9 to 10. 
I'm on 12 +++

Ed

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#145500

On 2024-12-21 10:37, Ed Cryer wrote:
> Andrew wrote:
> 
>>
>> Of course, with effort, you can remove most of the Apple bloatware.
>> <https://www.howtogeek.com/28727/how-to-install-itunes-without-extra- 
>> bloat/>
>>
> 
> Good Lord, pal; that article is from 2010, moving from Itunes 9 to 10. 
> I'm on 12 +++
Arlen (Andrew) isn't much interested in facts.

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#145502

Alan wrote:
> On 2024-12-21 10:37, Ed Cryer wrote:
>> Andrew wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Of course, with effort, you can remove most of the Apple bloatware.
>>> <https://www.howtogeek.com/28727/how-to-install-itunes-without-extra- 
>>> bloat/>
>>>
>>
>> Good Lord, pal; that article is from 2010, moving from Itunes 9 to 10. 
>> I'm on 12 +++
> Arlen (Andrew) isn't much interested in facts.

Arlen, Arlen, Arlen.
WhoTF is this ghost who wanders the corridors of these newsgroups like 
Hamlet's father around the walls of Elsinore castle?
It used to be trolls; anyone either rather aggressive or possessed of an 
intellect that could enquire beyond the superficial ordinariness of 
life. But now it's Arlen.

Ed

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#145504

Ed Cryer wrote on Sat, 21 Dec 2024 18:37:29 +0000 :

> Good Lord, pal; that article is from 2010, moving from Itunes 9 to 10. 
> I'm on 12 +++

Your argument against iTunes bloatware that it's "old" bloatware is absurd.
Apple hasn't updated iTunes in years - yet you're still using it today.

If you're using iTunes on Windows (which even Apple has deprecated on Apple
devices), it's still bloatware whether or not it's "old" or new bloatware. 

Historically, the canonical example of unneccessary bloat was 'iTunes'.
It literally subtracts functionality (see the images proving that fact).

 *The end of the world's infamous bloatware (iTunes) is nigh!*
 <https://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/the-end-of-the-worlds-infamous-bloatware-(itunes)-is-nigh!/>

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#145509

On 2024-12-21 12:15, Andrew wrote:
> Ed Cryer wrote on Sat, 21 Dec 2024 18:37:29 +0000 :
> 
>> Good Lord, pal; that article is from 2010, moving from Itunes 9 to 10. 
>> I'm on 12 +++
> 
> Your argument against iTunes bloatware that it's "old" bloatware is absurd.
> Apple hasn't updated iTunes in years - yet you're still using it today.

Wow. You can't even read.

Apple's latest update to iTunes for Windows was released on exactly two 
months ago today:

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_iTunes#iTunes_12>

"12.13.4.4"


> 
> If you're using iTunes on Windows (which even Apple has deprecated on Apple
> devices), it's still bloatware whether or not it's "old" or new bloatware.
> Historically, the canonical example of unneccessary bloat was 'iTunes'.
> It literally subtracts functionality (see the images proving that fact).

What "images"?

And "even Apple has deprecated"? Who OTHER than Apple could deprecate 
Apple software?

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#145539

Alan wrote:
> 
> Apple's latest update to iTunes for Windows was released on exactly two 
> months ago today:
> 
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_iTunes#iTunes_12>
> 
> "12.13.4.4"
> 
> 

Quite so. And notice how large it is; 38MB.

Ed

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#145541

On Sun, 12/22/2024 1:57 PM, Ed Cryer wrote:
> Alan wrote:
>>
>> Apple's latest update to iTunes for Windows was released on exactly two months ago today:
>>
>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_iTunes#iTunes_12>
>>
>> "12.13.4.4"
>>
>>
> 
> Quite so. And notice how large it is; 38MB.
> 
> Ed
> 

I think the earlier iTunes had Quicktime for video
playback of music videos or something.

Apple no longer wanted to invest as much in
security updates for the "fleet" inside
the installer... so they simplified the design
and the feature set a bit. That's why a package
today can be smaller than some previous ones.
And it might not be playing movies.

Back in the day, the .msi files inside the installer,
were a bit independent of one another. You may have
had the option, of picking apart the installer and
only installing some of the .msi. But Apple put
a stop to that, by "cross-coupling" or purposely
making dependencies between the installations,
to ensure they all got installed.

One of the packages was Bonjour. Bonjour is open
sourced, so anyone can look at the source code.
There are a number of name server softwares,
and likely, some duplication of effort. If you
run iTunes, you may end up with one of those
running as a service on a machine.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonjour_%28software%29

     mDNSResponder

This is the kind of software, where you can use 7ZIP
to inspect inside the thing, for the "components".
And there is an MSI unpacker available, if you want
to do further detective work, such as discover
the name of the DVD burner software inside iTunes :-)
That's a third party plugin.

It's like going to the zoo and discovering
they have animals in there.

   Paul

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#145543

Paul wrote on Sun, 22 Dec 2024 17:07:49 -0500 :

> It's like going to the zoo and discovering
> they have animals in there

Given Apple has not only the absolute worst bugfix support in the industry
(which is why iOS is the most exploited mobile phone in history!)... 
 <https://www.cisa.gov/known-exploited-vulnerabilities-catalog> 

Unfortunately, the Apple iTunes bloatware abomination on Windows is even
worse than anyone can imagine... 

Not so much for its unnecessary forced bloat (such as those Paul already
noted) nor for Apple's incessant huge rampant security holes... 

But also because when you install Apple iTunes on Windows, you actually
*lose* functionality!

For example:
1. This is the version of SharePod that I used on Windows 10:
   <http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_ipod001.jpg>
2. The SharePod interface gives you unrestricted access to MP3 files:
   <http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_ipod002.jpg>
3. Here we batch copy (& rename) files from iPod to Windows 10:
   <http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_ipod003.jpg>
4. Resulting in an organized archive of all files on any number of iPods:
   <http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_ipod004.jpg>
5. Populate the iPod by syncing with any number of Windows MP3 files:
   <http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_ipod005.jpg>
6. If desired, the ID3 tags can all be batch organized to your liking:
   <http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_ipod006.jpg>
7. With the result that you have unrestricted access to your iPod:
   <http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_ipod007.jpg>

However... the very instant you install Apple's iTunes abomination... 

 *EVERYTHING above STOPS WORKING!* (iTunes removes the functionality!)

Just like Apple removed the aux jack so that you'd have to scramble to
figure out a way to purchase it back - iTunes *removes functionality* too!

 <https://i.postimg.cc/fRtZFGSt/sharepod01.jpg> itunes removes functionality

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#145547

On 2024-12-22 16:56, Andrew wrote:
> Paul wrote on Sun, 22 Dec 2024 17:07:49 -0500 :
> 
>> It's like going to the zoo and discovering
>> they have animals in there
> 
> Given Apple has not only the absolute worst bugfix support in the industry
> (which is why iOS is the most exploited mobile phone in history!)... 
> <https://www.cisa.gov/known-exploited-vulnerabilities-catalog>
> Unfortunately, the Apple iTunes bloatware abomination on Windows is even
> worse than anyone can imagine...
> Not so much for its unnecessary forced bloat (such as those Paul already
> noted) nor for Apple's incessant huge rampant security holes...
> But also because when you install Apple iTunes on Windows, you actually
> *lose* functionality!
> 
> For example:
> 1. This is the version of SharePod that I used on Windows 10:
>    <http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_ipod001.jpg>
> 2. The SharePod interface gives you unrestricted access to MP3 files:
>    <http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_ipod002.jpg>
> 3. Here we batch copy (& rename) files from iPod to Windows 10:
>    <http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_ipod003.jpg>
> 4. Resulting in an organized archive of all files on any number of iPods:
>    <http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_ipod004.jpg>
> 5. Populate the iPod by syncing with any number of Windows MP3 files:
>    <http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_ipod005.jpg>
> 6. If desired, the ID3 tags can all be batch organized to your liking:
>    <http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_ipod006.jpg>
> 7. With the result that you have unrestricted access to your iPod:
>    <http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_ipod007.jpg>
> 
> However... the very instant you install Apple's iTunes abomination...
> *EVERYTHING above STOPS WORKING!* (iTunes removes the functionality!)

Funny the folks at Sharepod disagree:

'If you have a regular iPod such as a Classic, Nano, or Shuffle, it's 
recommended to check the box to "Enable Disk Use" in iTunes on the 
Summary tab for it and click on Apply. That setting will help your iPod 
stay connected in Sharepod and iTunes.

​Sharepod uses the iTunes interface to connect with an iPhone, iPad, or 
iPod, so if your device is appearing in iTunes without any errors, it 
should also appear in Sharepod. '

> 
> Just like Apple removed the aux jack so that you'd have to scramble to
> figure out a way to purchase it back - iTunes *removes functionality* too!
> 
> <https://i.postimg.cc/fRtZFGSt/sharepod01.jpg> itunes removes functionality

Seems like maybe user incompetence...

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#145475

B00ze <B00ze64@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Good day.
> 
> I'm an Android user thinking of getting an iPhone, and I see articles 
> about apps that let ppl share files with their PCs, and I'm wondering 
> why is there such an app? If I plug an iPhone into my PC's USB port, do 
> I not get access to the iPhone's filesysten?

iPhones don't have a filesystem.

Well, of course they do, but they really don't want you to see it.

The way iOS works is it's very app-centric.  Apps own their own buckets of
data which only they can see.  The way to move things between apps is the
'Share' function, rather than app B opening a file saved by app A.

Of course files do exist outside the iOS world, so places like Photos,
Videos, Music and Downloads have some kind of specialness in that apps can
ask to open files from there (not generically - a photo app can't see
Music).  But apps can't open files from other random places, and especially
not files in the buckets belonging to other apps.

Eventually this idea of files being bound to apps became untenable so Apple
introduced the Files app which can see the files in app buckets that apps
expose to the user.  eg if the user exports something as a file then it
appears in that app's bucket in the Files app.  Many apps don't use this.

USB is no different, it only gets this kind of filtered view - I think it
only exposes media via MTP by default.  You also have to allow access on the
phone and unlock it.

The way to get full USB access is as a *backup*, not as file transfer
(commonly called an 'iTunes backup' although in MacOS it's now in the Finder
not the iTunes app).  That's a special Apple protocol and lands with you
getting a full dump of the data from the phone - there are various third
party apps to pick through unencrypted backup files and extract various
things from it, like SMS chat logs.  This is not very convenient for
transferring a few files.

If you have a Mac there's AirDrop, where you can 'share' things directly
from apps on the iPhone to the Mac, but if you're not on a Mac then you have
to use something else.  That's where these third party 'sharing' or
'fileserver' apps come in.

(there's a lot of philosophy here, so some people will say if your using USB
you're doing it wrong - wifi needs no cables, can be quicker than a USB 2.0
Lightning connector, can be more reliable, etc.  For casual usage they're
maybe right, but USB has its uses too)

Theo

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#145479

On 2024-12-21 13:52, Theo wrote:
> B00ze <B00ze64@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> Good day.
>>
>> I'm an Android user thinking of getting an iPhone, and I see articles
>> about apps that let ppl share files with their PCs, and I'm wondering
>> why is there such an app? If I plug an iPhone into my PC's USB port, do
>> I not get access to the iPhone's filesysten?
> 
> iPhones don't have a filesystem.
> 
> Well, of course they do, but they really don't want you to see it.
> 

...

...

Thank you for the summary. Weird world.

-- 
Cheers, Carlos.

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#145481

On 21.12.24 14:15, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> On 2024-12-21 13:52, Theo wrote:
>> B00ze <B00ze64@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> Good day.
>>>
>>> I'm an Android user thinking of getting an iPhone, and I see articles
>>> about apps that let ppl share files with their PCs, and I'm wondering
>>> why is there such an app? If I plug an iPhone into my PC's USB port, do
>>> I not get access to the iPhone's filesysten?
>>
>> iPhones don't have a filesystem.
>>
>> Well, of course they do, but they really don't want you to see it.
>>
> 
> ...
> 
> ...
> 
> Thank you for the summary. Weird world.

You got stuck in the past. Around the turn of the century.


-- 
"De gustibus non est disputandum."

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#145501

Jörg Lorenz wrote:
> On 21.12.24 14:15, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>> On 2024-12-21 13:52, Theo wrote:
>>> B00ze <B00ze64@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Good day.
>>>>
>>>> I'm an Android user thinking of getting an iPhone, and I see articles
>>>> about apps that let ppl share files with their PCs, and I'm wondering
>>>> why is there such an app? If I plug an iPhone into my PC's USB port, do
>>>> I not get access to the iPhone's filesysten?
>>>
>>> iPhones don't have a filesystem.
>>>
>>> Well, of course they do, but they really don't want you to see it.
>>>
>>
>> ...
>>
>> ...
>>
>> Thank you for the summary. Weird world.
> 
> You got stuck in the past. Around the turn of the century.
> 
> 

A lot of people jail-break their iPads; but millions don't. They don't 
know how to; or don't have the time to learn; or, perhaps, can put up 
with the prison shadow while they enjoy the benefits of the Pads.

And Apple, of course, say they're protecting the innocent layman from 
the machinations of the criminal hackers.
A moral dilemma. Whose side are you on?

Ed

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#145513

On 21.12.24 19:44, Ed Cryer wrote:
> A lot of people jail-break their iPads; but millions don't. They don't 
> know how to; or don't have the time to learn; or, perhaps, can put up 
> with the prison shadow while they enjoy the benefits of the Pads.
> 
> And Apple, of course, say they're protecting the innocent layman from 
> the machinations of the criminal hackers.
> A moral dilemma. Whose side are you on?

Listen. I use all desktop OSs and iOS and Android every day as an
instructor for two non-profit organisations.

You try to parrot what other people are claiming to know but have just
unfounded prejudices but no knowledge.


-- 
"Roma locuta, causa finita." (Augustinus)

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#145505

Theo wrote on 21 Dec 2024 12:52:51 +0000 (GMT) :

>> I'm an Android user thinking of getting an iPhone, and I see articles 
>> about apps that let ppl share files with their PCs, and I'm wondering 
>> why is there such an app? If I plug an iPhone into my PC's USB port, do 
>> I not get access to the iPhone's filesysten?
> 
> iPhones don't have a filesystem.
> 
> Well, of course they do, but they really don't want you to see it.
> 
> The way iOS works is it's very app-centric.  Apps own their own buckets of
> data which only they can see.  The way to move things between apps is the
> 'Share' function, rather than app B opening a file saved by app A.
> 
> Of course files do exist outside the iOS world, so places like Photos,
> Videos, Music and Downloads have some kind of specialness in that apps can
> ask to open files from there (not generically - a photo app can't see
> Music).  But apps can't open files from other random places, and especially
> not files in the buckets belonging to other apps.

Has anyone here ever *seen* the iOS DCIM file system organization?
          *If not, you're in for a big surprise!*

Files all over the place, in almost randomly named folders (such as
_201901) with randomly named image file names (such as IMG1234.JPG).
 <https://i.postimg.cc/PJ4hWyS0/Apple-Iphone.jpg>

No other operating system refuses to allow you to name your image files.
Just Apple.

Meanwhile, every other operating system (except Apple's) allows the user to
define how they want photo images to be named (using a sensible convention)
 <https://i.postimg.cc/zfgrt8dC/Samsung.jpg>

Some day Apple will care about the consumer. 
But that day hasn't arrived yet.

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#145515

On 2024-12-21 12:24, Andrew wrote:
> Theo wrote on 21 Dec 2024 12:52:51 +0000 (GMT) :
> 
>>> I'm an Android user thinking of getting an iPhone, and I see articles 
>>> about apps that let ppl share files with their PCs, and I'm wondering 
>>> why is there such an app? If I plug an iPhone into my PC's USB port, 
>>> do I not get access to the iPhone's filesysten?
>>
>> iPhones don't have a filesystem.
>>
>> Well, of course they do, but they really don't want you to see it.
>>
>> The way iOS works is it's very app-centric.  Apps own their own 
>> buckets of
>> data which only they can see.  The way to move things between apps is the
>> 'Share' function, rather than app B opening a file saved by app A.
>>
>> Of course files do exist outside the iOS world, so places like Photos,
>> Videos, Music and Downloads have some kind of specialness in that apps 
>> can
>> ask to open files from there (not generically - a photo app can't see
>> Music).  But apps can't open files from other random places, and 
>> especially
>> not files in the buckets belonging to other apps.
> 
> Has anyone here ever *seen* the iOS DCIM file system organization?
>           *If not, you're in for a big surprise!*
> 
> Files all over the place, in almost randomly named folders (such as
> _201901) with randomly named image file names (such as IMG1234.JPG).
> <https://i.postimg.cc/PJ4hWyS0/Apple-Iphone.jpg>

How are those "randomly named".

It appears that they're named in the absolutely ordinary way of 
sequentially numbered.

> 
> No other operating system refuses to allow you to name your image files.
> Just Apple.
> 
> Meanwhile, every other operating system (except Apple's) allows the user to
> define how they want photo images to be named (using a sensible convention)
> <https://i.postimg.cc/zfgrt8dC/Samsung.jpg>

That doesn't show any proof that it's user configurable. It appears it's 
simply a YYYYMMDD_HHMMSS naming convention.

And that seems pretty redundant as files already have 
creation/modification date/time metadata associated with them.

:-)

> 
> Some day Apple will care about the consumer. But that day hasn't arrived 
> yet.

LOL!

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#145507

On 21 Dec 2024 12:52:51 +0000 (GMT), Theo wrote: 


> If you have a Mac there's AirDrop, where you can 'share' things directly
> from apps on the iPhone to the Mac, but if you're not on a Mac then you have
> to use something else.

Android has an AirDrop equivalent that works on all operating systems.
I think it's called ShareDrop.

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#145540

B00ze <B00ze64@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Good day.
> 
> I'm an Android user thinking of getting an iPhone, and I see articles 
> about apps that let ppl share files with their PCs, and I'm wondering 
> why is there such an app? If I plug an iPhone into my PC's USB port, do 
> I not get access to the iPhone's filesysten?

  Others have already answered your specific questions.

  As to "I'm an Android user thinking of getting an iPhone": As you're a
Windows user ('PC' != Windows), I would advise against buying/using an
iPhone.

  The Android-Windows integration is not great, but there is - as you
have found - some. For iPhone-Windows, there's hardly anything, except
for the iTunes abomination.

  Granted, the Windows 'Phone Link' app apparently supports Android
smartphones and iPhones. But with the iPhones being 'closed' and the
Android smartphones being (more) 'open', I think with an iPhone you'll
be in for a disappointment.

  OTOH, if you intend to use the iPhone mostly by itself and hardly need
to exchange anything (other than photos from its camera) with your
Windows system, by all means go for it.

  FWIW, I've been confronted with the iPhone-Windows limitations. OTOH,
some of my loved ones are an all-Apple houshold and they are very, very
pleased with it, including the *HP* :-) printer.

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