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  iPhone USB access B00ze <B00ze64@hotmail.com> - 2024-12-20 21:50 -0500
    Re: iPhone USB access VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2024-12-20 21:35 -0600
      Re: iPhone USB access Dave Royal <dave@dave123royal.com> - 2024-12-21 07:37 +0000
        Re: iPhone USB access VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2024-12-21 03:51 -0600
          Re: iPhone USB access Dave Royal <dave@dave123royal.com> - 2024-12-21 11:18 +0000
            Re: iPhone USB access Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2024-12-21 12:27 +0100
              Re: iPhone USB access Dave Royal <dave@dave123royal.com> - 2024-12-21 12:47 +0000
                Re: iPhone USB access "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-12-21 14:10 +0100
                  Re: iPhone USB access Andrew <andys@nospam.com> - 2024-12-21 16:22 +0000
            Re: iPhone USB access VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2024-12-21 11:54 -0600
              Re: iPhone USB access Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-12-21 19:19 +0000
                Re: iPhone USB access VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2024-12-21 14:25 -0600
                  Re: iPhone USB access Frankie <frankie@nospam.usa> - 2024-12-21 20:30 +0000
                  Re: iPhone USB access Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-12-22 11:07 +0000
                    Re: iPhone USB access VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2024-12-22 19:15 -0600
                      Re: iPhone USB access Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-12-23 14:40 +0000
                        Re: iPhone USB access Andrew <andys@nospam.com> - 2024-12-23 16:59 +0000
          Re: iPhone USB access Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2024-12-21 12:25 +0100
    Re: iPhone USB access Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2024-12-21 08:39 +0100
    Re: iPhone USB access Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> - 2024-12-21 11:25 +0000
      Re: iPhone USB access Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2024-12-21 12:29 +0100
      Re: iPhone USB access Andrew <andys@nospam.com> - 2024-12-21 18:04 +0000
        Re: iPhone USB access Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> - 2024-12-21 18:37 +0000
          Re: iPhone USB access Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-21 10:41 -0800
            Re: iPhone USB access Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> - 2024-12-21 18:52 +0000
              Re: iPhone USB access Andrew <andys@nospam.com> - 2024-12-21 20:15 +0000
                Re: iPhone USB access Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-21 12:32 -0800
                  Re: iPhone USB access Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> - 2024-12-22 18:57 +0000
                    Re: iPhone USB access Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2024-12-22 17:07 -0500
                      Re: iPhone USB access Andrew <andys@nospam.com> - 2024-12-23 00:56 +0000
                        Re: iPhone USB access Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-22 18:46 -0800
    Re: iPhone USB access Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2024-12-21 12:52 +0000
      Re: iPhone USB access "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-12-21 14:15 +0100
        Re: iPhone USB access Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2024-12-21 15:26 +0100
          Re: iPhone USB access Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> - 2024-12-21 18:44 +0000
            Re: iPhone USB access Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2024-12-21 21:55 +0100
      Re: iPhone USB access Andrew <andys@nospam.com> - 2024-12-21 20:24 +0000
        Re: iPhone USB access Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-21 13:00 -0800
      Re: iPhone USB access Quincy the fifth <quincythefifth@telekom.net> - 2024-12-21 21:26 +0100
    Re: iPhone USB access Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-12-22 20:19 +0000
      Re: iPhone USB access Andrew <andys@nospam.com> - 2024-12-23 01:01 +0000
        Re: iPhone USB access Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-22 17:17 -0800
    Re: iPhone USB access B00ze <B00ze64@hotmail.com> - 2024-12-23 22:12 -0500

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#145452 — iPhone USB access

Good day.

I'm an Android user thinking of getting an iPhone, and I see articles 
about apps that let ppl share files with their PCs, and I'm wondering 
why is there such an app? If I plug an iPhone into my PC's USB port, do 
I not get access to the iPhone's filesysten?

Thanks.

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#145460

B00ze <B00ze64@hotmail.com> wrote:

> I'm an Android user thinking of getting an iPhone, and I see articles 
> about apps that let ppl share files with their PCs, and I'm wondering 
> why is there such an app? If I plug an iPhone into my PC's USB port, do 
> I not get access to the iPhone's filesysten?

https://discussions.apple.com/welcome

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#145463

VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> Wrote in message:

> B00ze <B00ze64@hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> I'm an Android user thinking of getting an iPhone, and I see articles 
>> about apps that let ppl share files with their PCs, and I'm wondering 
>> why is there such an app? If I plug an iPhone into my PC's USB port, do 
>> I not get access to the iPhone's filesysten?

No. All you see are photos and videos from the camera.

> 
> https://discussions.apple.com/welcome
> 

So you don't need to go there.
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#145468

Dave Royal <dave@dave123royal.com> wrote:

> VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> Wrote in message:
> 
>> B00ze <B00ze64@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> I'm an Android user thinking of getting an iPhone, and I see articles 
>>> about apps that let ppl share files with their PCs, and I'm wondering 
>>> why is there such an app? If I plug an iPhone into my PC's USB port, do 
>>> I not get access to the iPhone's filesysten?
> 
> No. All you see are photos and videos from the camera.
> 
>> https://discussions.apple.com/welcome
> 
> So you don't need to go there.

Apple likes their walled garden.  The article below mentions iTunes.
The OP didn't mention his PC's OS.  iTunes runs on Windows.  Maybe runs
under WINE on Linux.  By its name, not sure if it only allows access to
media folders, or to all folders.  Never bothered with anything Apple.

https://support.apple.com/guide/iphone/transfer-files-between-devices-iphf2d851b9/ios

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#145469

VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> Wrote in message:

> Dave Royal <dave@dave123royal.com> wrote:
> 
>> VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> Wrote in message:
>> 
>>> B00ze <B00ze64@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I'm an Android user thinking of getting an iPhone, and I see articles 
>>>> about apps that let ppl share files with their PCs, and I'm wondering 
>>>> why is there such an app? If I plug an iPhone into my PC's USB port, do 
>>>> I not get access to the iPhone's filesysten?
>> 
>> No. All you see are photos and videos from the camera.
>> 
>>> https://discussions.apple.com/welcome
>> 
>> So you don't need to go there.
> 
> Apple likes their walled garden.  The article below mentions iTunes.
> The OP didn't mention his PC's OS.  iTunes runs on Windows.  Maybe runs
> under WINE on Linux.  By its name, not sure if it only allows access to
> media folders, or to all folders.  Never bothered with anything Apple.
> 
> https://support.apple.com/guide/iphone/transfer-files-between-devices-iphf2d851b9/ios

Well, iOS is clearly off-topic as VanguardLH's first answer hints.
 So I'll just say, as someone who uses an Android tablet, an
 iPhone, Linux and Windows PCs  (though not a Mac) that the iOS is
 the most difficult to get stuff into and out off and and between
 apps - by design - especially if you don't want to use a cloud
 service such as Dropbox. I often use FTP.

But forget iTunes.
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Remove numerics from my email address.

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#145472

On 21.12.24 12:18, Dave Royal wrote:
> VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> Wrote in message:
> 
>> Dave Royal <dave@dave123royal.com> wrote:
>>
>>> VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> Wrote in message:
>>>
>>>> B00ze <B00ze64@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I'm an Android user thinking of getting an iPhone, and I see articles
>>>>> about apps that let ppl share files with their PCs, and I'm wondering
>>>>> why is there such an app? If I plug an iPhone into my PC's USB port, do
>>>>> I not get access to the iPhone's filesysten?
>>>
>>> No. All you see are photos and videos from the camera.
>>>
>>>> https://discussions.apple.com/welcome
>>>
>>> So you don't need to go there.
>>
>> Apple likes their walled garden.  The article below mentions iTunes.
>> The OP didn't mention his PC's OS.  iTunes runs on Windows.  Maybe runs
>> under WINE on Linux.  By its name, not sure if it only allows access to
>> media folders, or to all folders.  Never bothered with anything Apple.
>>
>> https://support.apple.com/guide/iphone/transfer-files-between-devices-iphf2d851b9/ios
> 
> Well, iOS is clearly off-topic as VanguardLH's first answer hints.
>   So I'll just say, as someone who uses an Android tablet, an
>   iPhone, Linux and Windows PCs  (though not a Mac) that the iOS is
>   the most difficult to get stuff into and out off and and between
>   apps - by design - especially if you don't want to use a cloud
>   service such as Dropbox. I often use FTP.

Total nonsense. No reasonable person would do this. You can try but it 
is only for people with a lot of spare time.

> But forget iTunes.

iTunes does not exist in the Apple world any more for years now.


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#145474

Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> Wrote in message:

> On 21.12.24 12:18, Dave Royal wrote:
>> VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> Wrote in message:
>> 
>>> Dave Royal <dave@dave123royal.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> Wrote in message:
>>>>
>>>>> B00ze <B00ze64@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm an Android user thinking of getting an iPhone, and I see articles
>>>>>> about apps that let ppl share files with their PCs, and I'm wondering
>>>>>> why is there such an app? If I plug an iPhone into my PC's USB port, do
>>>>>> I not get access to the iPhone's filesysten?
>>>>
>>>> No. All you see are photos and videos from the camera.
>>>>
>>>>> https://discussions.apple.com/welcome
>>>>
>>>> So you don't need to go there.
>>>
>>> Apple likes their walled garden.  The article below mentions iTunes.
>>> The OP didn't mention his PC's OS.  iTunes runs on Windows.  Maybe runs
>>> under WINE on Linux.  By its name, not sure if it only allows access to
>>> media folders, or to all folders.  Never bothered with anything Apple.
>>>
>>> https://support.apple.com/guide/iphone/transfer-files-between-devices-iphf2d851b9/ios
>> 
>> Well, iOS is clearly off-topic as VanguardLH's first answer hints.
>>   So I'll just say, as someone who uses an Android tablet, an
>>   iPhone, Linux and Windows PCs  (though not a Mac) that the iOS is
>>   the most difficult to get stuff into and out off and and between
>>   apps - by design - especially if you don't want to use a cloud
>>   service such as Dropbox. I often use FTP.
> 
> Total nonsense. No reasonable person would do this. You can try but it 
> is only for people with a lot of spare time.
> 

You're right: normal iPhone users would not do it. I mentioned it
 because it's the nearest equivalent to transferring (non-camera)
 files from an Android to a PC via USB. And I only do it to get
 certain files onto or off my iPhone without using a cloud service
 - iCloud, Dropbox, etc.  Using a cloud service is the easy way to
 do it.

Several iOS apps have FTP functions built it, such as my media
 player, foobar2000.

>> But forget iTunes.
> 
> iTunes does not exist in the Apple world any more for years now.
> 



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#145478

On 2024-12-21 13:47, Dave Royal wrote:
> Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> Wrote in message:
> 
>> On 21.12.24 12:18, Dave Royal wrote:
>>> VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> Wrote in message:
>>>
>>>> Dave Royal <dave@dave123royal.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> Wrote in message:
>>>>>
>>>>>> B00ze <B00ze64@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm an Android user thinking of getting an iPhone, and I see articles
>>>>>>> about apps that let ppl share files with their PCs, and I'm wondering
>>>>>>> why is there such an app? If I plug an iPhone into my PC's USB port, do
>>>>>>> I not get access to the iPhone's filesysten?
>>>>>
>>>>> No. All you see are photos and videos from the camera.
>>>>>
>>>>>> https://discussions.apple.com/welcome
>>>>>
>>>>> So you don't need to go there.
>>>>
>>>> Apple likes their walled garden.  The article below mentions iTunes.
>>>> The OP didn't mention his PC's OS.  iTunes runs on Windows.  Maybe runs
>>>> under WINE on Linux.  By its name, not sure if it only allows access to
>>>> media folders, or to all folders.  Never bothered with anything Apple.
>>>>
>>>> https://support.apple.com/guide/iphone/transfer-files-between-devices-iphf2d851b9/ios
>>>
>>> Well, iOS is clearly off-topic as VanguardLH's first answer hints.
>>>    So I'll just say, as someone who uses an Android tablet, an
>>>    iPhone, Linux and Windows PCs  (though not a Mac) that the iOS is
>>>    the most difficult to get stuff into and out off and and between
>>>    apps - by design - especially if you don't want to use a cloud
>>>    service such as Dropbox. I often use FTP.
>>
>> Total nonsense. No reasonable person would do this. You can try but it
>> is only for people with a lot of spare time.
>>
> 
> You're right: normal iPhone users would not do it. I mentioned it
>   because it's the nearest equivalent to transferring (non-camera)
>   files from an Android to a PC via USB. And I only do it to get
>   certain files onto or off my iPhone without using a cloud service
>   - iCloud, Dropbox, etc.  Using a cloud service is the easy way to
>   do it.
> 
> Several iOS apps have FTP functions built it, such as my media
>   player, foobar2000.


So, you can not simply connect an USB cable to phone and computer and 
the explorer pops up and handle the copy of any file in any direction?

How weird.

-- 
Cheers, Carlos.

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#145493

Carlos E.R. wrote on Sat, 21 Dec 2024 14:10:56 +0100 :

>> J�rg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> Wrote in message:
>> 
>>> On 21.12.24 12:18, Dave Royal wrote:
>>>> VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> Wrote in message:
>>>>
>>>>> Dave Royal <dave@dave123royal.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> Wrote in message:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> B00ze <B00ze64@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm an Android user thinking of getting an iPhone, and I see articles
>>>>>>>> about apps that let ppl share files with their PCs, and I'm wondering
>>>>>>>> why is there such an app? If I plug an iPhone into my PC's USB port, do
>>>>>>>> I not get access to the iPhone's filesysten?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No. All you see are photos and videos from the camera.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://discussions.apple.com/welcome
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So you don't need to go there.
>>>>>
>>>>> Apple likes their walled garden.  The article below mentions iTunes.
>>>>> The OP didn't mention his PC's OS.  iTunes runs on Windows.  Maybe runs
>>>>> under WINE on Linux.  By its name, not sure if it only allows access to
>>>>> media folders, or to all folders.  Never bothered with anything Apple.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://support.apple.com/guide/iphone/transfer-files-between-devices-iphf2d851b9/ios
>>>>
>>>> Well, iOS is clearly off-topic as VanguardLH's first answer hints.
>>>>    So I'll just say, as someone who uses an Android tablet, an
>>>>    iPhone, Linux and Windows PCs  (though not a Mac) that the iOS is
>>>>    the most difficult to get stuff into and out off and and between
>>>>    apps - by design - especially if you don't want to use a cloud
>>>>    service such as Dropbox. I often use FTP.
>>>
>>> Total nonsense. No reasonable person would do this. You can try but it
>>> is only for people with a lot of spare time.
>>>
>> 
>> You're right: normal iPhone users would not do it. I mentioned it
>>   because it's the nearest equivalent to transferring (non-camera)
>>   files from an Android to a PC via USB. And I only do it to get
>>   certain files onto or off my iPhone without using a cloud service
>>   - iCloud, Dropbox, etc.  Using a cloud service is the easy way to
>>   do it.
>> 
>> Several iOS apps have FTP functions built it, such as my media
>>   player, foobar2000.
> 
> So, you can not simply connect an USB cable to phone and computer and 
> the explorer pops up and handle the copy of any file in any direction?
> 
> How weird.

For the Android team to know (based on years of experience with iOS)... 

As you're all well aware, I own plenty of Windows, iOS & Android devices.
And I don't use the cloud for anything - so I use USB & Wi-Fi file xfers.

I concur with all that said prior to this point in this thread (except
anything the moron Joerg Lorenz or Alan Baker ever says, both of whom are
in my killfile which has fewer than a dozen people in it for decades on
Usenet - they're that worthless) that Apple makes bidirectional file
transfer inordinately difficult - particularly for putting media onto the
Apple device - which can't be done directly.

Worse - if you add the iTunes abomination to Windows, you're subject to
multiple zero-day holes as Apple's support has been historically terrible.

However, if you dual boot your PC to Ubuntu, if you know a few very
delicate tricks not widely known, you can get limited bidirectional USB
file transfer due to the Linux iFuse implementation Windows lacks.

Why Windows lacks iFuse is a mystery to me only those more knowledgeable
than I am can answer for the team, as iFuse is what Windows needs for this.

 <https://i.postimg.cc/NFkXsJ0X/files01.jpg> iOS/Win is 1-way & DCIM only
 <https://i.postimg.cc/L8b18Zmx/files02.jpg> iOS "Files" is nothing useful
 <https://i.postimg.cc/d3SGkdgr/files03.jpg> Android is two way, everything
 <https://i.postimg.cc/QMk7tvZW/files04.jpg> Ubuntu is two way, everything
 <https://i.postimg.cc/qqg61Rh8/files05.jpg> Ubuntu, movies _to_ iOS on USB
 <https://i.postimg.cc/Jhmy9KH7/files06.jpg> Ubuntu iFuse is just magical
 <https://i.postimg.cc/KjK4nHwf/files07.jpg> Ubuntu is two-way, everything
 <https://i.postimg.cc/3xcCBngd/files08.jpg> iOS is a dumb brick on Windows
 <https://i.postimg.cc/mDx3xkp4/files09.jpg> iOS is only DCIM & only 1-way 
 <https://i.postimg.cc/9MGdc2s7/files10.jpg> Android is 2-way fast over USB
 <https://i.postimg.cc/cChf8mx1/files11.jpg> iOS requires hacks to copy
 <https://i.postimg.cc/pVJf72fN/files12.jpg> iOS hacks very often will fail
 <https://i.postimg.cc/g269S8rT/files13.jpg> How does macOS work with iOS?
 <https://i.postimg.cc/s2x0f9Js/files14.jpg> Linux, win10 & iOS together
 <https://i.postimg.cc/fRtZFGSt/sharepod01.jpg> ditch itunes abomination 

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#145495

Dave Royal <dave@dave123royal.com> wrote:

> VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> Wrote in message:
> 
>> Dave Royal <dave@dave123royal.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> Wrote in message:
>>> 
>>>> B00ze <B00ze64@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> I'm an Android user thinking of getting an iPhone, and I see articles 
>>>>> about apps that let ppl share files with their PCs, and I'm wondering 
>>>>> why is there such an app? If I plug an iPhone into my PC's USB port, do 
>>>>> I not get access to the iPhone's filesysten?
>>> 
>>> No. All you see are photos and videos from the camera.
>>> 
>>>> https://discussions.apple.com/welcome
>>> 
>>> So you don't need to go there.
>> 
>> Apple likes their walled garden.  The article below mentions iTunes.
>> The OP didn't mention his PC's OS.  iTunes runs on Windows.  Maybe runs
>> under WINE on Linux.  By its name, not sure if it only allows access to
>> media folders, or to all folders.  Never bothered with anything Apple.
>> 
>> https://support.apple.com/guide/iphone/transfer-files-between-devices-iphf2d851b9/ios
> 
> Well, iOS is clearly off-topic as VanguardLH's first answer hints.
>  So I'll just say, as someone who uses an Android tablet, an
>  iPhone, Linux and Windows PCs  (though not a Mac) that the iOS is
>  the most difficult to get stuff into and out off and and between
>  apps - by design - especially if you don't want to use a cloud
>  service such as Dropbox. I often use FTP.
> 
> But forget iTunes.

I see they also mentioned using their cloud service, iCloud, to transfer
files.  I've used Onedrive on my Android phone and desktop PC to
transfer files, but it is slow.  Since the phone has Android, it comes
with Google Drive which I also on my desktop PC, too.  I also have a
Dropbox account, but only used it to share small files.  My bandwidth is
asymmetric: upstream speed is a LOT slower (22 times slower) than
downstream.  Plus, the sync clients are designed to throttle themselves
to reduce impact on net traffic.  A USB cable is a lot faster, and a lot
less hassle, but not on an iPhone.

There are apps for both Android and Windows that use the local wi-fi to
transfer files; e.g., LocalSend.  Google came out with their Quick Share
(renamed from Nearby Share) app for Android and Windows.  Requires
Windows 10 x64, or later.  

https://blog.google/products/android/nearby-share-windows-android/
https://www.android.com/better-together/quick-share-app/

No Internet is involved.  No external servers are involved.  Just wi-fi
transfer between devices.  The 2nd article says Quick Share is already
installed on Android 6+, but I've not seen it.  Says I have to setup
"device visibility" in my Google account (for the phone and desktop to
see each other).  I've not yet tried local wi-fi file transfer since the
USB cable is so easy for local transfer.  For remote file transfer,
there are the slow cloud services.

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#145503

VanguardLH <V@nguard.lh> wrote:
[...]

> There are apps for both Android and Windows that use the local wi-fi to
> transfer files; e.g., LocalSend.  Google came out with their Quick Share
> (renamed from Nearby Share) app for Android and Windows.  Requires
> Windows 10 x64, or later.  
> 
> https://blog.google/products/android/nearby-share-windows-android/
> https://www.android.com/better-together/quick-share-app/
> 
> No Internet is involved.  No external servers are involved.  Just wi-fi
> transfer between devices.  The 2nd article says Quick Share is already
> installed on Android 6+, but I've not seen it.  Says I have to setup
> "device visibility" in my Google account (for the phone and desktop to
> see each other).  I've not yet tried local wi-fi file transfer since the
> USB cable is so easy for local transfer.  For remote file transfer,
> there are the slow cloud services.

  (On my (Samsung Galaxy A51) Android 13 phone,) I don't see Quick Share
as an app on my app pages. I only see it when I select something (file,
folder, etc.) and then tap 'Share'. Then 'Quick Share' is one of the
share options.

  On the Windows side, 'Quick Share from Google' is a Windows program
(in C:\Program Files\Google\NearbyShare), not a Windows 'app'.

  I use Quick Share if I only have to transfer a single file or a few
files, a folder, etc.. For larger transfers, I use the USB cable.

  'Cloud'!? 'Internet'!? What *are* those!?

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#145506

Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:

> VanguardLH <V@nguard.lh> wrote:
> [...]
> 
>> There are apps for both Android and Windows that use the local wi-fi to
>> transfer files; e.g., LocalSend.  Google came out with their Quick Share
>> (renamed from Nearby Share) app for Android and Windows.  Requires
>> Windows 10 x64, or later.  
>> 
>> https://blog.google/products/android/nearby-share-windows-android/
>> https://www.android.com/better-together/quick-share-app/
>> 
>> No Internet is involved.  No external servers are involved.  Just wi-fi
>> transfer between devices.  The 2nd article says Quick Share is already
>> installed on Android 6+, but I've not seen it.  Says I have to setup
>> "device visibility" in my Google account (for the phone and desktop to
>> see each other).  I've not yet tried local wi-fi file transfer since the
>> USB cable is so easy for local transfer.  For remote file transfer,
>> there are the slow cloud services.
> 
>   (On my (Samsung Galaxy A51) Android 13 phone,) I don't see Quick Share
> as an app on my app pages. I only see it when I select something (file,
> folder, etc.) and then tap 'Share'. Then 'Quick Share' is one of the
> share options.
> 
>   On the Windows side, 'Quick Share from Google' is a Windows program
> (in C:\Program Files\Google\NearbyShare), not a Windows 'app'.
> 
>   I use Quick Share if I only have to transfer a single file or a few
> files, a folder, etc.. For larger transfers, I use the USB cable.
> 
>   'Cloud'!? 'Internet'!? What *are* those!?

I called it an app, because Google did.  Haven't use it, so didn't know
if it was a Win32 program, or a UWP app.  I rarely share, so I didn't
realize Quick Share was already an option.  Never noticed it, or didn't
know what it was, so ignored it along with the myriad of other choices.
Just tested, and, yep, there it is.  Thanks for sharing. ;-)

Confusing is the same product name, Quick Share, from Samsung
(https://apps.microsoft.com/detail/9pctgdfxvzlj).  Seems to have the
same OS requirements, so maybe it's the same program, except Samsung
says theirs only works with Samsung devices.  Both have you download a
.exe to install.  Not sure why both wi-fi and Bluetooth are required.  I
would think just one wireless method would suffice.  The Samsung one
gets as many negative votes as positive.

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#145508

On 21/12/2024, VanguardLH wrote:

> I called it an app, because Google did.  Haven't use it, so didn't know
> if it was a Win32 program, or a UWP app.  I rarely share, so I didn't
> realize Quick Share was already an option.  Never noticed it, or didn't
> know what it was, so ignored it along with the myriad of other choices.
> Just tested, and, yep, there it is.  Thanks for sharing. ;-)
> 
> Confusing is the same product name, Quick Share, from Samsung
> (https://apps.microsoft.com/detail/9pctgdfxvzlj).  Seems to have the
> same OS requirements, so maybe it's the same program, except Samsung
> says theirs only works with Samsung devices.  Both have you download a
> .exe to install.  Not sure why both wi-fi and Bluetooth are required.  I
> would think just one wireless method would suffice.  The Samsung one
> gets as many negative votes as positive.

Easiest way to share read/write Android with Windows is to mount it as a
drive letter. Then the Windows file explorer or batch files work wonders.

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#145528

VanguardLH <V@nguard.lh> wrote:
[...]
> I called it an app, because Google did.  Haven't use it, so didn't know
> if it was a Win32 program, or a UWP app.  I rarely share, so I didn't
> realize Quick Share was already an option.  Never noticed it, or didn't
> know what it was, so ignored it along with the myriad of other choices.
> Just tested, and, yep, there it is.  Thanks for sharing. ;-)
> 
> Confusing is the same product name, Quick Share, from Samsung
> (https://apps.microsoft.com/detail/9pctgdfxvzlj).  Seems to have the
> same OS requirements, so maybe it's the same program, except Samsung
> says theirs only works with Samsung devices.

  Samsung *phones* (and tablets). The *Windows* (i.e. 'PC') side also
mentions "Windows PC with Intel Bluetooth/Wi-Fi released by other
manufacturers"

  I think the comment

"Quick Share for Windows PC is currently only available for Samsung
 Galaxy devices. Other Android devices will be supported in the future."

is just CYA. And it says "available", whatever that means, and implies
that other devices are not supported, not that they don't work.

>						Both have you download a
> .exe to install.

  As I wrote, 'Quick Share from Google' is a normal Windows program.
From the looks of it, it seems the Samsung product is a UWP app. Hence
both are available. (Aren't all things in the Microsoft Store UWP apps?
Or are there also normal Windows programs in that store?)

>		    Not sure why both wi-fi and Bluetooth are required.  I
> would think just one wireless method would suffice.

  Bluetooth is used to find nearby devices. I.e. a device may be near,
but as yet unknown to the other side. 'Wi-Fi' should be read as a
network connection, but because most Windows systems do not have a
mobile data connection, I guess they only mention Wi-Fi.

>						       The Samsung one
> gets as many negative votes as positive.

  BTW, I have a Samsung phone, but on the Windows side, I use the 'Quick
Share from Google' program. I didn't know there was a Samsung Windows
app,  and even if I did, I generally prefer real Windows programs over
apps.

  BTW2, 'Quick Share from Google' is not "a Win32 program", but a Win64
program. As said, it lives in ' C:\Program Files\Google\NearbyShare',
not in 'C:\Program Files (x86)\...'.

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#145545

From what I read (doesn't guarantee accuracy since it was on the Web) is
that Google's Quick Share was derived from Samsung's Quick Share, but
Google made their variant compliant with more than just Samsung phones.

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#145549

VanguardLH <V@nguard.lh> wrote:
> From what I read (doesn't guarantee accuracy since it was on the Web) is
> that Google's Quick Share was derived from Samsung's Quick Share, but
> Google made their variant compliant with more than just Samsung phones.

  Yes, Google's Nearby Share merged with Samsung's Quick Share:

'Quick Share lets you send to other devices directly from the Android
sharing menu'
<https://9to5google.com/2024/02/01/android-quick-share-direct-share-menu/>

  As to what is/does what, there are at least four components:

- Android:

  - *My* Quick Share app (and related QS Agent and QS Connectivity apps)
    is from Samsung. Probably because 1) Samsung Quick Share predates
    the merge and 2) I have a Samsung phone (since 4+ years).

  - I'm sure Google Pixel phones and other non-Samsung phones will have
    the Google Quick Share app

- Windows:
  As mentioned before:

  - Google 'Quick Share from Google' Win64 *program*,

  - Samsung 'Quick Share for Windows PC' UWP *app*.

  N.B. 'Proof' of the merge: (As mentioned before,) The ''Quick Share
from Google' Win64 program lives in "C:\Program Files\Google\
NearbyShare\nearby_share.exe". I.e. the external/icon name is 
'Quick Share from Google', but the under-the-hood name is still
NearbyShare\nearby_share.exe.

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#145553

Frank Slootweg wrote on 23 Dec 2024 14:40:32 GMT :

>   N.B. 'Proof' of the merge: (As mentioned before,) The ''Quick Share
> from Google' Win64 program lives in "C:\Program Files\Google\
> NearbyShare\nearby_share.exe". I.e. the external/icon name is 
> 'Quick Share from Google', but the under-the-hood name is still
> NearbyShare\nearby_share.exe.

I'm not gonna look it up but last I checked in gory detail, the *MICROSOFT*
app on the Google Play Store still had "samsung" in the package name, but
that's only from memory so I could be wrong on that.
-- 
We've all discussed this in the past so if people want to know more, they
can start with where we last left off in the past for a head start (not
you, Frank, but the others who don't read and learn from every post in the
newsgroup like I do).

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#145470

On 21.12.24 10:51, VanguardLH wrote:
> Dave Royal <dave@dave123royal.com> wrote:
> 
>> VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> Wrote in message:
>>
>>> B00ze <B00ze64@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'm an Android user thinking of getting an iPhone, and I see articles
>>>> about apps that let ppl share files with their PCs, and I'm wondering
>>>> why is there such an app? If I plug an iPhone into my PC's USB port, do
>>>> I not get access to the iPhone's filesysten?
>>
>> No. All you see are photos and videos from the camera.
>>
>>> https://discussions.apple.com/welcome
>>
>> So you don't need to go there.
> 
> Apple likes their walled garden.  The article below mentions iTunes.
> The OP didn't mention his PC's OS.  iTunes runs on Windows.  Maybe runs
> under WINE on Linux.  By its name, not sure if it only allows access to
> media folders, or to all folders.  Never bothered with anything Apple.

Why are you spreading nonsense then? Same here with your nonsense in the 
Thunderbird-group.

-- 
"Gutta cavat lapidem." (Ovid)

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#145464

On 21.12.24 03:50, B00ze wrote:
> If I plug an iPhone into my PC's USB port, do 
> I not get access to the iPhone's filesysten?

No. You do not need it.

Before you consider to switch to iOS you should dive into the philosophy
of the Apple universe.


-- 
"De gustibus non est disputandum."

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#145471

B00ze wrote:
> Good day.
> 
> I'm an Android user thinking of getting an iPhone, and I see articles 
> about apps that let ppl share files with their PCs, and I'm wondering 
> why is there such an app? If I plug an iPhone into my PC's USB port, do 
> I not get access to the iPhone's filesysten?
> 
> Thanks.
> 

I've been backing up iPads to Windows PCs for years, using iTunes.
The program is heavy and cluttered, but it does work and it gives me 
access to all the books, pictures, videos etc. on the Pad.

I tried out a few other apps, such as iBrowse, but they promised more 
than they delivered. And then I found out that they simply browsed the 
Windows files created by iTunes. Sneaky devils!

Ed

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