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| Started by | Jeff Layman <Jeff@invalid.invalid> |
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| First post | 2026-07-09 10:31 +0100 |
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App-suggested ads Jeff Layman <Jeff@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-09 10:31 +0100
Re: App-suggested ads VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2026-07-09 14:42 -0500
Re: App-suggested ads VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2026-07-09 14:49 -0500
Re: App-suggested ads Jeff Layman <Jeff@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-11 09:33 +0100
Re: App-suggested ads VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2026-07-11 12:34 -0500
Re: App-suggested ads Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-12 09:55 +0100
Re: App-suggested ads VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2026-07-12 13:05 -0500
Re: App-suggested ads ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-07-12 18:51 +0000
Re: App-suggested ads Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-14 17:01 +0100
Re: App-suggested ads VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2026-07-14 13:48 -0500
Re: App-suggested ads Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-07-17 23:50 -0400
| From | Jeff Layman <Jeff@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-07-09 10:31 +0100 |
| Subject | App-suggested ads |
| Message-ID | <112nppk$7jmr$1@dont-email.me> |
A notification about App-suggested ads appeared on the lockscreen this morning. Is there some sort of rolling push that Google is using, as these have been around for some time? I thought I'd seen this notice previously and disabled ads in Settings, but when I checked they were on. They're off now. -- Jeff
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| From | VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> |
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| Date | 2026-07-09 14:42 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <ydqouaadved7$.dlg@v.nguard.lh> |
| In reply to | #154379 |
Jeff Layman <Jeff@invalid.invalid> wrote: > A notification about App-suggested ads appeared on the lockscreen this > morning. Is there some sort of rolling push that Google is using, as > these have been around for some time? I thought I'd seen this notice > previously and disabled ads in Settings, but when I checked they were > on. They're off now. On my Samsung Galaxy A56 phone, under Settings -> Security and Privacy -> More privacy settings, Google section, I tap on Ads at the bottom. Under Ad privacy, all the options are disabled: ad topics, app-suggested ads, and ad measurement. There is a Delete advertising ID which says "Apps can no longer use this advertising ID to show you personalized ads". That doesn't say the apps cannot show you ads, but won't have an ID by which to track you. Of course, since most users don't disable/delete the ID, fingerprinting can identify you as part of a smaller populace. Reset advertising ID just assigns you a new one. After deleting your advertising ID, you may see a menu option to "Get new advertising ID" (in place of the "Reset advertising ID" option). Don't touch that; else, you've effectively reset the ID instead of deleting it. I think in Android 12, and earlier, you could only reset your ID. Don't know when Google introduced the delete ID option. Apps can have their own ad settings, like incorporate their own ID. Back under the More privacy settings page, under the Google section, Activity controls configure your Google account privacy settings. For Personalized Recommendations in Search services, I have that off. I turned off Play Personalization. I left Web & App Activity enabled since sometimes it is handy in Google Maps. The shortest interval for auto-delete of this history is 3 months, and that's what I use. Same for location history (where Google Maps can show where I've been). I couldn't give a gnat's fart about Youtube history, but I cannot disable it separately of the other auto-delete options, like have Youtube history auto-deleted after a week, but others auto-delete after 3 months. However, back in the activity screen, I can entirely turn off Youtube history. Nothing to auto-delete since it's not recorded. Under Personalized ads, it is off. Back in the more privacy settings page, under Google section, there is the Android personalization service. That monitors your app usage, text input, and browsing habits to provide "personalized" suggestions and recommendations. Instead of tapping the on/off toggle, tap on the entry to get more info. No thanks. Turned that off. I don't need any handholding nor any of the AI crap. Back in the more privacy settings page is a Samsung section. Decide if you want to keep sending telemetry data in the background to Samsung. They collect this data to promote their other services and products along with improving software performance. I turned that off. Maybe you want to help them out. Lastly in the more privacy settings page under the Samsung section is Personal data intelligence. More AI bloatware. More data harvesting. It can also change system settings. Supposedly Samsung claims the analysis is entirely local, except why would it be changing system settings unless directed by Samsung, or their KNOX and KEEP technologies? I turned this off. https://research.samsung.com/data-intelligence https://quebectest.com/en/samsung-personal-data-intelligence-disable-privacy You don't need to be paranoid about your privacy to want your phone consuming less CPU, and save battery power by eliminating all this backgrounded AI or "assistance" crap.
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| From | VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> |
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| Date | 2026-07-09 14:49 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <qa7hunb9yekh.dlg@v.nguard.lh> |
| In reply to | #154387 |
VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> wrote: > Jeff Layman <Jeff@invalid.invalid> wrote: > >> A notification about App-suggested ads appeared on the lockscreen this >> morning. Is there some sort of rolling push that Google is using, as >> these have been around for some time? I thought I'd seen this notice >> previously and disabled ads in Settings, but when I checked they were >> on. They're off now. > > On my Samsung Galaxy A56 phone, under Settings -> Security and Privacy > -> More privacy settings, Google section, I tap on Ads at the bottom. > > Under Ad privacy, all the options are disabled: ad topics, app-suggested > ads, and ad measurement. > > There is a Delete advertising ID which says "Apps can no longer use this > advertising ID to show you personalized ads". That doesn't say the apps > cannot show you ads, but won't have an ID by which to track you. Of > course, since most users don't disable/delete the ID, fingerprinting can > identify you as part of a smaller populace. > > Reset advertising ID just assigns you a new one. After deleting your > advertising ID, you may see a menu option to "Get new advertising ID" > (in place of the "Reset advertising ID" option). Don't touch that; > else, you've effectively reset the ID instead of deleting it. > > I think in Android 12, and earlier, you could only reset your ID. Don't > know when Google introduced the delete ID option. Apps can have their > own ad settings, like incorporate their own ID. > > Back under the More privacy settings page, under the Google section, > Activity controls configure your Google account privacy settings. For > Personalized Recommendations in Search services, I have that off. I > turned off Play Personalization. I left Web & App Activity enabled > since sometimes it is handy in Google Maps. The shortest interval for > auto-delete of this history is 3 months, and that's what I use. Same > for location history (where Google Maps can show where I've been). I > couldn't give a gnat's fart about Youtube history, but I cannot disable > it separately of the other auto-delete options, like have Youtube > history auto-deleted after a week, but others auto-delete after 3 > months. However, back in the activity screen, I can entirely turn off > Youtube history. Nothing to auto-delete since it's not recorded. Under > Personalized ads, it is off. > > Back in the more privacy settings page, under Google section, there is > the Android personalization service. That monitors your app usage, text > input, and browsing habits to provide "personalized" suggestions and > recommendations. Instead of tapping the on/off toggle, tap on the entry > to get more info. No thanks. Turned that off. I don't need any > handholding nor any of the AI crap. > > Back in the more privacy settings page is a Samsung section. Decide if > you want to keep sending telemetry data in the background to Samsung. > They collect this data to promote their other services and products > along with improving software performance. I turned that off. Maybe > you want to help them out. > > Lastly in the more privacy settings page under the Samsung section is > Personal data intelligence. More AI bloatware. More data harvesting. > It can also change system settings. Supposedly Samsung claims the > analysis is entirely local, except why would it be changing system > settings unless directed by Samsung, or their KNOX and KEEP > technologies? I turned this off. > > https://research.samsung.com/data-intelligence > https://quebectest.com/en/samsung-personal-data-intelligence-disable-privacy > > You don't need to be paranoid about your privacy to want your phone > consuming less CPU, and save battery power by eliminating all this > backgrounded AI or "assistance" crap. Oh, and under Settings -> Security and privacy -> Security section, Account security -> Samsung account security, scroll down to the User Agreements section, and disable "Get news and special offers" and "Improve personalized ads with Samsung account data".
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| From | Jeff Layman <Jeff@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-07-11 09:33 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <112sv57$1qm5q$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #154388 |
On 09/07/2026 20:49, VanguardLH wrote: > VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> wrote: > >> Jeff Layman <Jeff@invalid.invalid> wrote: >> >>> A notification about App-suggested ads appeared on the lockscreen this >>> morning. Is there some sort of rolling push that Google is using, as >>> these have been around for some time? I thought I'd seen this notice >>> previously and disabled ads in Settings, but when I checked they were >>> on. They're off now. >> >> On my Samsung Galaxy A56 phone, under Settings -> Security and Privacy >> -> More privacy settings, Google section, I tap on Ads at the bottom. > >> Under Ad privacy, all the options are disabled: ad topics, app-suggested >> ads, and ad measurement. Same here with my Xiaomi, although it's just under "Privacy" rather than "Security and Privacy" >> There is a Delete advertising ID which says "Apps can no longer use this >> advertising ID to show you personalized ads". That doesn't say the apps >> cannot show you ads, but won't have an ID by which to track you. Of >> course, since most users don't disable/delete the ID, fingerprinting can >> identify you as part of a smaller populace. I think that this appears within a Xiaomi account, which I don't have. It might also occur with a Google account, which I do have. I'll have to check later. >> Reset advertising ID just assigns you a new one. After deleting your >> advertising ID, you may see a menu option to "Get new advertising ID" >> (in place of the "Reset advertising ID" option). Don't touch that; >> else, you've effectively reset the ID instead of deleting it. >> >> I think in Android 12, and earlier, you could only reset your ID. Don't >> know when Google introduced the delete ID option. Apps can have their >> own ad settings, like incorporate their own ID. >> >> Back under the More privacy settings page, under the Google section, >> Activity controls configure your Google account privacy settings. For >> Personalized Recommendations in Search services, I have that off. I >> turned off Play Personalization. I left Web & App Activity enabled >> since sometimes it is handy in Google Maps. The shortest interval for >> auto-delete of this history is 3 months, and that's what I use. Same >> for location history (where Google Maps can show where I've been). I >> couldn't give a gnat's fart about Youtube history, but I cannot disable >> it separately of the other auto-delete options, like have Youtube >> history auto-deleted after a week, but others auto-delete after 3 >> months. However, back in the activity screen, I can entirely turn off >> Youtube history. Nothing to auto-delete since it's not recorded. Under >> Personalized ads, it is off. I've always had everything set to "off". >> >> Back in the more privacy settings page, under Google section, there is >> the Android personalization service. That monitors your app usage, text >> input, and browsing habits to provide "personalized" suggestions and >> recommendations. Instead of tapping the on/off toggle, tap on the entry >> to get more info. No thanks. Turned that off. I don't need any >> handholding nor any of the AI crap. >> >> Back in the more privacy settings page is a Samsung section. Decide if >> you want to keep sending telemetry data in the background to Samsung. >> They collect this data to promote their other services and products >> along with improving software performance. I turned that off. Maybe >> you want to help them out. >> >> Lastly in the more privacy settings page under the Samsung section is >> Personal data intelligence. More AI bloatware. More data harvesting. >> It can also change system settings. Supposedly Samsung claims the >> analysis is entirely local, except why would it be changing system >> settings unless directed by Samsung, or their KNOX and KEEP >> technologies? I turned this off. >> >> https://research.samsung.com/data-intelligence >> https://quebectest.com/en/samsung-personal-data-intelligence-disable-privacy >> >> You don't need to be paranoid about your privacy to want your phone >> consuming less CPU, and save battery power by eliminating all this >> backgrounded AI or "assistance" crap. > > Oh, and under Settings -> Security and privacy -> Security section, > Account security -> Samsung account security, scroll down to the User > Agreements section, and disable "Get news and special offers" and > "Improve personalized ads with Samsung account data". I'm not sure how much of what is on your Samsung is on my Xiaomi, perhaps under a different heading. I turn off what I can turn off, but in general don't use the phone for anything private, banking, paying for things, logging on, etc, which would add data to Google's database. It's basically impossible without a lot of effort to keep chasing and resetting manufacturer and Android nosiness, especially when they rename and/or repurpose system apps. -- Jeff
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| From | VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> |
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| Date | 2026-07-11 12:34 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <8yl9wb20phmg$.dlg@v.nguard.lh> |
| In reply to | #154411 |
Jeff Layman <Jeff@invalid.invalid> wrote: > I'm not sure how much of what is on your Samsung is on my Xiaomi, > perhaps under a different heading. Phone makers like to customize their instance of Android to differentiate themselves. Even settings can be grouped differently; however, often the options have similar names. Try using the search box in Settings to see if you find similarly named options wherever the phone maker put them.
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| From | Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-07-12 09:55 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <112vkqh$2m8je$4@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #154413 |
On 2026-07-11, VanguardLH wrote: > Jeff Layman <Jeff@invalid.invalid> wrote: > >> I'm not sure how much of what is on your Samsung is on my Xiaomi, >> perhaps under a different heading. > > Phone makers like to customize their instance of Android to > differentiate themselves. Even settings can be grouped differently; > however, often the options have similar names. Of course YMMV but I'd say that's stupid. Wouldn't they want people to be able to use their phones more easily if they're already used to the platform? > Try using the search box > in Settings to see if you find similarly named options wherever the > phone maker put them. Sigh. The Windows Vista approach to UI discoverability? :-P -- Nuno Silva
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| From | VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> |
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| Date | 2026-07-12 13:05 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <1da1zzuc2siv7.dlg@v.nguard.lh> |
| In reply to | #154422 |
Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> wrote: > On 2026-07-11, VanguardLH wrote: > >> Jeff Layman <Jeff@invalid.invalid> wrote: >> >>> I'm not sure how much of what is on your Samsung is on my Xiaomi, >>> perhaps under a different heading. >> >> Phone makers like to customize their instance of Android to >> differentiate themselves. Even settings can be grouped differently; >> however, often the options have similar names. > > Of course YMMV but I'd say that's stupid. Wouldn't they want people to > be able to use their phones more easily if they're already used to the > platform? But then that portion of customization is lost. If Google prevented any customization, all phones at the same Android version would all look the same, behave the same, and everything, like settings, would be found the same way. However, disabling all customization means losing some hardware support, too, since different phones can have different hardware. >> Try using the search box in Settings to see if you find similarly >> named options wherever the phone maker put them. > > Sigh. The Windows Vista approach to UI discoverability? :-P You have another and better method of finding options in the hundreds of them on the phone? Wandering through all levels of settings trying to find where a phone maker happened to put an option is a lot of wasted time. Never used the Start menu (instead of the search box, or you disabled the superfluous search box) in the taskbar to search for item in the Start menu? No need to scroll through trying to find an entry. Just start typing it in. A menu-ized list is not necessarily the easiest and often not the fastest method to find an entry.
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| From | ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) |
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| Date | 2026-07-12 18:51 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <start-20260712195016@ram.dialup.fu-berlin.de> |
| In reply to | #154428 |
VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> wrote or quoted: >Never used the Start menu (instead of the search box, or you disabled >the superfluous search box) in the taskbar to search for item in the >Start menu? No need to scroll through trying to find an entry. Just >start typing it in. A menu-ized list is not necessarily the easiest and >often not the fastest method to find an entry. Yo, so I'm still rocking that old-school, hierarchical Start Menu on Windows. The best part about this classic setup is that it literally maps out the whole directory tree right in front of you. It doesn't do that annoying modern thing where it constantly replaces menus in the exact same spot, leaving you totally clueless about how you even got there. For example, I've got this "Video" program folder set up that I can instantly open just by tapping G then V. (And hey, if I ever blank on the hotkeys, they're right there on the screen to remind me.) Inside that folder, every single video app I own is just one more keystroke away. It’s a lifesaver for quickly tracking down programs when the names totally slip my mind - looking at you, Avidemux and VirtualDub. Honestly, I have zero clue how anyone is supposed to pull that off with these new Start Menus.
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| From | Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-07-14 17:01 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <1135mhd$g6jv$4@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #154428 |
On 2026-07-12, VanguardLH wrote: > Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> wrote: > >> On 2026-07-11, VanguardLH wrote: >> >>> Jeff Layman <Jeff@invalid.invalid> wrote: >>> >>>> I'm not sure how much of what is on your Samsung is on my Xiaomi, >>>> perhaps under a different heading. >>> >>> Phone makers like to customize their instance of Android to >>> differentiate themselves. Even settings can be grouped differently; >>> however, often the options have similar names. >> >> Of course YMMV but I'd say that's stupid. Wouldn't they want people to >> be able to use their phones more easily if they're already used to the >> platform? > > But then that portion of customization is lost. If Google prevented any > customization, all phones at the same Android version would all look the > same, behave the same, and everything, like settings, would be found the > same way. However, disabling all customization means losing some > hardware support, too, since different phones can have different > hardware. You can do customization without breaking consistency of existing options. You could also try to have customizations of wider use adopted in similar ways by other manufacturers. >>> Try using the search box in Settings to see if you find similarly >>> named options wherever the phone maker put them. >> >> Sigh. The Windows Vista approach to UI discoverability? :-P > > You have another and better method of finding options in the hundreds of > them on the phone? Wandering through all levels of settings trying to > find where a phone maker happened to put an option is a lot of wasted > time. A sane hierarcy. Really. > Never used the Start menu (instead of the search box, or you disabled > the superfluous search box) in the taskbar to search for item in the > Start menu? No need to scroll through trying to find an entry. Just > start typing it in. A menu-ized list is not necessarily the easiest and > often not the fastest method to find an entry. I think you're underestimating the organization potential of a hierarchical menu. The only flaw I remember from Windows' and Windows NT's start menu in the "classical" design that was prevalent around Windows 4 was the lack of categorization. That part desktops and window managers on top of GNU/Linux often managed much better out of the box, at least at some point, with programs organized in subtrees. In Windows, IIRC, you'd have to do that manually. But the programs list is just a tiny part of the hierarchical arrangement of the UI. For example, in Windows 4, the user-exposed filesystem interface is rooted at the desktop, and you can access e.g. control panels from there (Desktop>My Computer>Control Panel). I think the same is true in Windows NT 5.1. -- Nuno Silva
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| From | VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> |
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| Date | 2026-07-14 13:48 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <p3d3qef357pj.dlg@v.nguard.lh> |
| In reply to | #154451 |
Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> wrote: > On 2026-07-12, VanguardLH wrote: > >> Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> wrote: >> >>> On 2026-07-11, VanguardLH wrote: >>> >>>> Jeff Layman <Jeff@invalid.invalid> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I'm not sure how much of what is on your Samsung is on my Xiaomi, >>>>> perhaps under a different heading. >>>> >>>> Phone makers like to customize their instance of Android to >>>> differentiate themselves. Even settings can be grouped differently; >>>> however, often the options have similar names. >>> >>> Of course YMMV but I'd say that's stupid. Wouldn't they want people to >>> be able to use their phones more easily if they're already used to the >>> platform? >> >> But then that portion of customization is lost. If Google prevented any >> customization, all phones at the same Android version would all look the >> same, behave the same, and everything, like settings, would be found the >> same way. However, disabling all customization means losing some >> hardware support, too, since different phones can have different >> hardware. > > You can do customization without breaking consistency of existing > options. You could also try to have customizations of wider use adopted > in similar ways by other manufacturers. > >>>> Try using the search box in Settings to see if you find similarly >>>> named options wherever the phone maker put them. >>> >>> Sigh. The Windows Vista approach to UI discoverability? :-P >> >> You have another and better method of finding options in the hundreds of >> them on the phone? Wandering through all levels of settings trying to >> find where a phone maker happened to put an option is a lot of wasted >> time. > > A sane hierarcy. Really. > >> Never used the Start menu (instead of the search box, or you disabled >> the superfluous search box) in the taskbar to search for item in the >> Start menu? No need to scroll through trying to find an entry. Just >> start typing it in. A menu-ized list is not necessarily the easiest and >> often not the fastest method to find an entry. > > I think you're underestimating the organization potential of a > hierarchical menu. The only flaw I remember from Windows' and Windows > NT's start menu in the "classical" design that was prevalent around > Windows 4 was the lack of categorization. That part desktops and window > managers on top of GNU/Linux often managed much better out of the box, > at least at some point, with programs organized in subtrees. In Windows, > IIRC, you'd have to do that manually. > > But the programs list is just a tiny part of the hierarchical > arrangement of the UI. For example, in Windows 4, the user-exposed > filesystem interface is rooted at the desktop, and you can access > e.g. control panels from there (Desktop>My Computer>Control Panel). I > think the same is true in Windows NT 5.1. Actually I edited the Start Menu in Windows to be hierarchical by category: Applications, Communication, Games, Utilities, etc. I added folders in the Start Menu folder, and even added subfolders under there, like Start -> Applications -> MS Office -> Word, Excel, etc. Instead of getting stuck with some horrendously long single-level menu strewn with lots of entries, I could follow the hierarchy to the program. I had to be sure to make equally subfolders under both User and Common Start Menues. Yep, I like organization, too. However, it was still a lot easier to hit Start, and enter "word" to bring up Word as the first candidate in the search. No menu drilling needed no matter how well you organized it. Same reason a search in settings is a lot easier than wandering all over in the hierarchical menu. However, you needed some notion of what was the name of a setting to find it in a search. I could do the hierarchical categorized menuing up to Windows 7. Never used 8 or Vista. Microsoft made it far too difficult to do the same in Windows 10, so I switched to Start11. If you wanted to flatten all the settings in Windows, use God mode in a shortcut to Control Panel. In either mode, search was available. Just too much shiitake to dig through to find a setting unless you already knew where it was from prior experience, or someone else mentioned the navpath. Most times for Android settings, the names of the settings have been the same across brands and model of mobile phones. Not always, but usually. If looking for settings on notifications, and enabling its log, and showing logged past notifications, I could drill down through Settings -> Notifications -> Advanced settings -> Notification history, and there turn on logging, and later go there to look at logged notifications. Or, in the settings screen, just search on "history" where one of the hits is "Notification history". However, I came up with a means to add a shortcut to the screen that takes me directly to the logged notifications by using Activity Launcher. So, while the settings are in a hierarchical order, I can still search to eliminate wading through each level, and even speed up faster with a shortcut direct to the history (but finding the system event is the hard part). The problem with customization is the menu hierarchy doesn't match across different brands. I had one path in my Samsung to get to several ad-oriented settings, and Layman had a different navpath on his Xioami. And to add insult to injury, seems each version of Android decides to group differently the settings. It can infuriating when hunting for online help on settings to have someone describe it, but they never mention their brand and model of phone, and its Android version. "I know engineers. They love to change things." https://youtu.be/Rn2-wALgmMk?t=85 The worse situation you can have in Development is idle programmers. Gives them an opportunity to change something that needed no changing. I was in charge of code check-in using CVS, and devs were used to checking in changes without changing versioning, so code branches got polluted. When I took over, every change required a version change, and devs didn't like that since it exposed any change they made. It also made discoverable when they made functional changes that weren't documented in the Functional Spec or Engineering Spec, but QA was expected to allocate time for its testing. Sometimes too many cooks spoil the pot. One of them changes the recipe. Then the patrons wonder what the hell happened to a good dish.
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| From | Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> |
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| Date | 2026-07-17 23:50 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <113et5c$283u$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com> |
| In reply to | #154454 |
VanguardLH wrote: > Actually I edited the Start Menu in Windows to be hierarchical by > category: Applications, Communication, Games, Utilities, etc. I added > folders in the Start Menu folder, and even added subfolders under there, > like Start -> Applications -> MS Office -> Word, Excel, etc. Instead of > getting stuck with some horrendously long single-level menu strewn with > lots of entries, I could follow the hierarchy to the program. What people do on any computing device is the same, whether it's a desktop or a mobile device, so I also use hierarchical menus which are functional. <https://i.postimg.cc/fW38dhsX/android-windows-menus.jpg> Android: <https://i.postimg.cc/CMmSsgtN/maps01.jpg> Windows: <https://i.postimg.cc/Gmbyp807/windows-android.jpg> One thing I do that is brilliant, and which probably 9999 out of 10,000 people can't do (maybe even 999,999 out of a million) is I literally *copy* my menu from the old computing device to the new computing device. That means my Windows 10 menu is from an XP box from two decades ago. That means my Android homescreen is from an Android of a decade ago. It's literally a single file on Android. And a single folder on Windows. Very few people are that brilliant, but I enjoy being brilliant. In fact, I'm even more brilliant than I have said so above. Why? Because every app installer is saved into the same hierarchy! Being brilliant is it's own reward because I can do what the next million people can't even fathom doing, since all they do is what Marketing tells them do to. They're parrots. I'm not. I'm brilliant if I do say so myself. And yes, I'm making a very strong point that most people are shockingly stupid utterly incomprehensibly ignorant morons when it comes to menus. And yet, they're so simple. They never change., Even in decades of using computers. You do the same thing on all devices. The menu should change slightly, of course, over the decades. But the fundamentals remain the same for decades. Because you do the same thing on all your computing devices. Don't you? -- Some people are philosophically so far above others that it's shocking.
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