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| Started by | Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> |
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| First post | 2020-08-01 04:44 +0000 |
| Last post | 2021-01-13 04:55 +0000 |
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T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-08-01 04:44 +0000
Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> - 2020-08-01 10:50 +0000
Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-08-01 18:24 +0000
Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> - 2020-08-01 19:29 +0000
Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-08-02 02:08 +0000
Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2020-08-02 13:19 +0200
Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2020-08-02 11:21 -0400
Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-08-02 16:10 +0000
Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls 123456789 <12345@12345.com> - 2020-08-02 08:55 -0700
Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2020-08-02 22:08 +0200
Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> - 2020-08-02 20:29 +0000
Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-08-02 20:57 +0000
Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2020-08-03 00:04 +0200
Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-08-02 22:43 +0000
Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2020-08-03 22:08 +0200
Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-08-03 22:03 +0000
Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2020-08-03 00:03 +0200
Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-08-02 20:43 +0000
Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2020-08-03 00:05 +0200
Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-08-02 22:43 +0000
Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2020-08-02 13:54 -0700
Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls *Hemidactylus* <ecphoric@allspamis.invalid> - 2020-08-02 16:07 -0500
Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2020-08-02 16:16 -0700
Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2020-08-02 16:31 -0700
Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-08-02 19:38 -0400
Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2020-08-02 16:47 -0700
Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2020-08-03 08:37 -0700
Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-08-03 12:36 -0400
Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> - 2020-08-03 10:24 -0700
Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-08-03 13:41 -0400
Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-08-03 18:21 +0000
Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> - 2020-08-03 17:19 -0700
Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-08-03 21:48 -0400
Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> - 2020-08-03 19:27 -0700
Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-08-04 10:05 -0400
Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> - 2020-08-04 08:15 -0700
Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-08-04 12:27 -0400
Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> - 2020-08-04 12:13 -0700
Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2020-08-03 17:13 -0400
Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-08-04 03:19 +0000
Keeping a phone active at no monthly cost [was: Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls] sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2020-08-04 10:10 -0700
Re: Keeping a phone active at no monthly cost [was: Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls] Ken Blake <ken@invalidemail.com> - 2020-08-04 14:42 -0700
Re: Keeping a phone active at no monthly cost [was: Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls] nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-08-04 18:00 -0400
Re: Keeping a phone active at no monthly cost [was: Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls] sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2020-08-04 15:02 -0700
Re: Keeping a phone active at no monthly cost Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-08-05 00:41 +0000
Re: Keeping a phone active at no monthly cost [was: Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls] Ken Blake <ken@invalidemail.com> - 2020-08-05 08:18 -0700
Re: Keeping a phone active at no monthly cost [was: Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls] sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2020-08-06 07:15 -0700
Re: Keeping a phone active at no monthly cost [was: Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls] nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-08-06 10:27 -0400
Re: Keeping a phone active at no monthly cost [was: Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls] The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2020-08-05 11:34 -0700
Re: Keeping a phone active at no monthly cost [was: Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls] sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2020-08-05 14:45 -0700
Re: Keeping a phone active at no monthly cost [was: Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls] nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-08-05 18:18 -0400
Re: Keeping a phone active at no monthly cost [was: Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls] The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2020-08-05 20:28 -0700
Re: Keeping a phone active at no monthly cost [was: Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls] sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2020-08-06 07:13 -0700
Re: Keeping a phone active at no monthly cost [was: Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls] nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-08-06 10:27 -0400
Re: Keeping a phone active at no monthly cost [was: Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls] The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2020-08-06 18:43 -0700
Re: Keeping a phone active at no monthly cost [was: Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls] sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2020-08-06 19:24 -0700
Re: Keeping a phone active at no monthly cost [was: Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls] nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-08-07 00:58 -0400
Re: Keeping a phone active at no monthly cost [was: Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls] The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2020-08-07 09:07 -0700
Re: Keeping a phone active at no monthly cost [was: Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls] sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2020-08-07 10:44 -0700
Re: Keeping a phone active at no monthly cost [was: Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls] nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-08-07 14:39 -0400
Re: Keeping a phone active at no monthly cost [was: Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls] Joe Beanfish <joebeanfish@nospam.duh> - 2020-08-10 14:45 +0000
Re: Keeping a phone active at no monthly cost [was: Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls] nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-08-10 10:54 -0400
Re: Keeping a phone active at no monthly cost [was: Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls] sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2020-08-06 09:48 -0700
Re: Keeping a phone active at no monthly cost [was: Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls] Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2020-08-06 06:24 +0000
Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls *Hemidactylus* <ecphoric@allspamis.invalid> - 2020-08-02 19:16 -0500
Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2020-08-02 17:40 -0700
Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2020-08-02 14:56 -0700
Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2020-08-05 14:10 -0700
Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2020-08-05 15:14 -0700
Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-08-05 18:18 -0400
Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-08-02 21:56 +0000
Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls 123456789 <12345@12345.com> - 2020-08-02 15:56 -0700
Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2020-08-03 18:40 +0200
Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-08-03 18:02 +0000
Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2020-08-03 22:05 +0200
Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2020-08-03 13:12 -0700
Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-08-03 21:12 +0000
Re: Ignoring posts "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2020-08-03 23:15 +0200
Re: Ignoring posts Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-08-03 21:53 +0000
Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2020-08-03 17:21 -0400
Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2020-08-04 09:51 -0700
Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-08-04 13:07 -0400
Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls "badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> - 2020-08-04 17:56 +0000
Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-08-04 14:09 -0400
Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2020-08-04 23:49 -0400
Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-08-05 00:47 -0400
Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2020-08-05 02:03 -0400
Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-08-05 02:25 -0400
Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2020-08-05 22:02 -0400
Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-08-05 22:08 -0400
Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2020-08-05 21:07 -0700
Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-08-06 00:17 -0400
Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2020-08-05 04:50 -0700
Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-08-05 08:13 -0400
Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-08-05 14:06 +0000
Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2020-08-05 22:11 -0400
Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2020-08-06 19:08 -0700
Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2020-08-07 08:31 -0700
Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-08-07 11:40 -0400
Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2020-08-07 14:31 -0400
Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-08-07 14:39 -0400
Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2020-08-07 12:56 -0700
Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-08-07 15:59 -0400
Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2020-08-07 16:36 -0400
Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-08-07 19:47 -0400
Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2020-08-07 17:32 -0700
Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls *Hemidactylus* <ecphoric@allspamis.invalid> - 2020-08-07 19:29 -0500
Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-08-07 20:34 -0400
Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2020-08-07 23:52 +0000
Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-08-07 19:56 -0400
Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls *Hemidactylus* <ecphoric@allspamis.invalid> - 2020-08-07 19:14 -0500
Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-08-07 20:21 -0400
Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls *Hemidactylus* <ecphoric@allspamis.invalid> - 2020-08-07 19:20 -0500
Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2020-08-08 22:29 +0000
Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2020-08-05 05:30 -0700
Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-08-05 08:48 -0400
Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2020-08-05 18:18 -0700
Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-08-05 22:08 -0400
Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2020-08-04 11:35 -0700
Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-08-04 14:41 -0400
Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2020-08-04 12:47 -0700
Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-08-04 16:14 -0400
Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-08-03 21:18 +0000
Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2020-08-03 12:47 -0700
Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2020-08-03 11:04 -0700
Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-08-03 14:23 -0400
Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-08-03 18:52 +0000
Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-08-03 14:54 -0400
Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-08-03 21:44 +0000
Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-08-03 18:54 -0400
Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls "badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> - 2020-08-03 20:18 +0000
Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-08-03 21:43 +0000
Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls Arlen Holder <arlen_holder@newmachines.com> - 2021-01-13 04:55 +0000
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| From | nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2020-08-07 14:39 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <070820201439167375%nospam@nospam.invalid> |
| In reply to | #70531 |
In article <K5hXG.76361$BL.10038@fx16.iad>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote: > > > it was a disaster for nextel. sprint killed it. > > Actually the problem is that Sprint bought it and didn't shut it down > fast. nope. sprint tried to replace it with a cdma version, which turned out to be a disaster. > (in part because CDMA didn't offer the "push to talk" > functionality of iDEN. ) yes it did. what cdma didn't offer was the substantial rfi of iden. one of the more amusing demonstrations of that rfi was keying up a nextel phone in a public restroom and having all toilets flush in unison.
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| From | sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> |
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| Date | 2020-08-07 12:56 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <rgkbm5$a48$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #70531 |
On 8/7/2020 11:31 AM, JF Mezei wrote: > On 2020-08-07 11:40, nospam wrote: > >> it was a disaster for nextel. sprint killed it. > > Actually the problem is that Sprint bought it and didn't shut it down > fast. (in part because CDMA didn't offer the "push to talk" > functionality of iDEN. ) The only virtue of Nextel was the PTT feature. Shutting it down immediately, without an adequate replacement, would have been bad. The CDMA carriers tried to do PTT. The problem was that the latency was too long. See <https://www.rcrwireless.com/20030908/carriers/when-seconds-count>. Sprint had dreams of retaining all the Nextel customers even after they shut down iDEN service. That didn't happen. There was at least one combination CDMA/iDEN phone, the Motorola Buzz ic502, but it was just too late. Then Sprint screwed up again with WiMax. With LTE you can now have PTT functionality separate from the carriers' offerings. Zello <https://zello.com/> has a good product for this. It's not inexpensive but it serves the needs of some businesses. Where my wife works, they were using Nextel for a while. Someone thought that the PTT would be a great feature but the reality was that due to HIPAA (Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act) it was more of an annoyance, leading to it being mocked as "PTA" (Push To Annoy) <https://www.tampabay.com/archive/2004/01/05/walkie-talkie-phones-efficient-but-annoying/>. You need a secure communication platform for health care applications. The other problem with Nextel was that it was very much an urban product and if you needed coverage in rural areas you couldn't use it because there was no iDEN coverage. For a company where you're sending employees to the far reaches of the county it was not a good service, and employees had to have their own personal phones on AT&T or Verizon to supplement the Nextel service. This was an annoyance to employees because back then the carriers were not providing unlimited voice minutes, except for off-peak use, so they had to pay for those work-related calls themselves.
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| From | nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2020-08-07 15:59 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <070820201559426963%nospam@nospam.invalid> |
| In reply to | #70534 |
In article <rgkbm5$a48$1@dont-email.me>, sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote: > The only virtue of Nextel was the PTT feature. Shutting it down > immediately, without an adequate replacement, would have been bad. which is why they waited to shut it down. > The CDMA carriers tried to do PTT. The problem was that the latency was > too long. that was one of many problems.
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| From | JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> |
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| Date | 2020-08-07 16:36 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <5XiXG.160990$575.55420@fx38.iad> |
| In reply to | #70535 |
On 2020-08-07 15:59, nospam wrote: >> The only virtue of Nextel was the PTT feature. Shutting it down >> immediately, without an adequate replacement, would have been bad. > > which is why they waited to shut it down. You don't bvuy a money losing service and delay integrating it for years during which the money losing service now drains your own money and doesn't generate any return on investment for you to pay back the debts of buying it.
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| From | nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2020-08-07 19:47 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <070820201947333296%nospam@nospam.invalid> |
| In reply to | #70536 |
In article <5XiXG.160990$575.55420@fx38.iad>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote: > You don't bvuy a money losing service and delay integrating it for years > during which the money losing service now drains your own money and > doesn't generate any return on investment for you to pay back the debts > of buying it. they didn't delay integrating it, which took time, given the difference in technologies, however, it did turn out to be a stupid move.
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| From | sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> |
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| Date | 2020-08-07 17:32 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <rgkrrp$47f$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #70536 |
On 8/7/2020 1:36 PM, JF Mezei wrote: > On 2020-08-07 15:59, nospam wrote: > >>> The only virtue of Nextel was the PTT feature. Shutting it down >>> immediately, without an adequate replacement, would have been bad. >> >> which is why they waited to shut it down. > > > You don't bvuy a money losing service and delay integrating it for years > during which the money losing service now drains your own money and > doesn't generate any return on investment for you to pay back the debts > of buying it. Don't know why you believe that Nextel was "money-losing." It wasn't. You can look at their 10K reports at the time.Go to <https://sec.report/Document/0000950133-05-003305/> and search for "Comprehensive income, net of income tax". At the time Sprint purchased Nextel, Nextel had the highest ARPU of any nationwide carrier, and Sprint was 2nd: "Back in 2004, when the merger was proposed, Nextel’s ARPU was $69 while Sprint’s was $63, Verizon’s $51.58 and Cingular’s $49.78." The acquisition came shortly after Cingular acquired of AT&T Wireless, and Sprint felt that Nextel would give them economies of scale, not foreseeing the hemorrhaging of subscribers that would occur.
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| From | *Hemidactylus* <ecphoric@allspamis.invalid> |
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| Date | 2020-08-07 19:29 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <yo6dnT_YItNhbLDCnZ2dnUU7-K_NnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #70531 |
JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote: > On 2020-08-07 11:40, nospam wrote: > >> it was a disaster for nextel. sprint killed it. > > Actually the problem is that Sprint bought it and didn't shut it down > fast. (in part because CDMA didn't offer the "push to talk" > functionality of iDEN. ) > > T-Mobile killed CDMA on MetroPCS quickly after purchase and will do the > same for Sprint which is the right thing to do. Yopu gain efficiencies > only when you shut down the purchased network ASAP and move the > customers to your own network, and increase your network's capacity with > the spectrum of the purchased company. > > Abnd in the FCC filings to justify buying Sprint, T-Mobile promised > swift action to move Sprint customers over to T-Mogile network to shut > down Sprint ASAP. > How seemless will that transition be for current Sprint customers with iPhone 7+s?
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| From | nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2020-08-07 20:34 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <070820202034161448%nospam@nospam.invalid> |
| In reply to | #70543 |
In article <yo6dnT_YItNhbLDCnZ2dnUU7-K_NnZ2d@giganews.com>, *Hemidactylus* <ecphoric@allspamis.invalid> wrote: > > T-Mobile killed CDMA on MetroPCS quickly after purchase and will do the > > same for Sprint which is the right thing to do. Yopu gain efficiencies > > only when you shut down the purchased network ASAP and move the > > customers to your own network, and increase your network's capacity with > > the spectrum of the purchased company. cdma can't be killed quite yet, but it's on its way out. > > Abnd in the FCC filings to justify buying Sprint, T-Mobile promised > > swift action to move Sprint customers over to T-Mogile network to shut > > down Sprint ASAP. > > > How seemless will that transition be for current Sprint customers with > iPhone 7+s? completely. the only issue is with phones that lack both t-mobile and sprint bands, which might have minor coverage issues in fringe areas.
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| From | Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> |
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| Date | 2020-08-07 23:52 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnrirq9v.2ma3.g.kreme@ProMini.lan> |
| In reply to | #70528 |
In message <070820201140322835%nospam@nospam.invalid> nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote: > In article <rgjs55$7lf$1@dont-email.me>, sms > <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote: >> > Of course nothing stopped >> > Sprint and T-Mobile from making offers on these rural carriers. Sprint >> > did buy Nextel, which was a disaster. >> >> Didn't mean to imply that Nextel was a rural carrier, they were anything >> but! > it was a disaster for nextel. sprint killed it. Sprint, according to the people I knew on Nextel, utterly and completely fucked up everything about Nextel. At least one friend is still angry about that and is very annoyed that T-mobile and Spring are merging because he definitely doesn't want to ever give Sprint a dime. I had a work-provided Nextel at one point, I think. That was the service with the wealkie-talkie like mode on the phones, right? -- what is magic actually for? For fixing things, dummy.
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| From | nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2020-08-07 19:56 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <070820201956204921%nospam@nospam.invalid> |
| In reply to | #70538 |
In article <slrnrirq9v.2ma3.g.kreme@ProMini.lan>, Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote: > >> > Of course nothing stopped > >> > Sprint and T-Mobile from making offers on these rural carriers. Sprint > >> > did buy Nextel, which was a disaster. > >> > >> Didn't mean to imply that Nextel was a rural carrier, they were anything > >> but! > > > it was a disaster for nextel. sprint killed it. > > Sprint, according to the people I knew on Nextel, utterly and completely > fucked up everything about Nextel. At least one friend is still angry > about that and is very annoyed that T-mobile and Spring are merging > because he definitely doesn't want to ever give Sprint a dime. > > I had a work-provided Nextel at one point, I think. That was the service > with the wealkie-talkie like mode on the phones, right? sure was.
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| From | *Hemidactylus* <ecphoric@allspamis.invalid> |
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| Date | 2020-08-07 19:14 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <_sGdnTd7mIj9c7DCnZ2dnUU7-RHNnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #70539 |
nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote: > In article <slrnrirq9v.2ma3.g.kreme@ProMini.lan>, Lewis > <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote: > >>>>> Of course nothing stopped >>>>> Sprint and T-Mobile from making offers on these rural carriers. Sprint >>>>> did buy Nextel, which was a disaster. >>>> >>>> Didn't mean to imply that Nextel was a rural carrier, they were anything >>>> but! >> >>> it was a disaster for nextel. sprint killed it. >> >> Sprint, according to the people I knew on Nextel, utterly and completely >> fucked up everything about Nextel. At least one friend is still angry >> about that and is very annoyed that T-mobile and Spring are merging >> because he definitely doesn't want to ever give Sprint a dime. >> >> I had a work-provided Nextel at one point, I think. That was the service >> with the wealkie-talkie like mode on the phones, right? > > sure was. > Most obnoxious thing ever though people talking in public places in speaker mode comes close. Didn’t those Nextel abominations beep or chirp? I recall hearing them make their way through a building. BTW Winston Cup racing became verboten and became Nextel then Sprint. Sprint customers got the perk of real time track telemetry during a NASCAR event.
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| From | nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2020-08-07 20:21 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <070820202021396052%nospam@nospam.invalid> |
| In reply to | #70540 |
In article <_sGdnTd7mIj9c7DCnZ2dnUU7-RHNnZ2d@giganews.com>, *Hemidactylus* <ecphoric@allspamis.invalid> wrote: > >> I had a work-provided Nextel at one point, I think. That was the service > >> with the wealkie-talkie like mode on the phones, right? > > > > sure was. > > > Most obnoxious thing ever though people talking in public places in speaker > mode comes close. Didn¹t those Nextel abominations beep or chirp? I recall > hearing them make their way through a building. yep. they also spewed lots of rfi. as i said, a fun party trick was to make an entire public restroom flush in unison.
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| From | *Hemidactylus* <ecphoric@allspamis.invalid> |
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| Date | 2020-08-07 19:20 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <94mdnZa0SsRBcrDCnZ2dnUU7-LHNnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #70538 |
Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote: > In message <070820201140322835%nospam@nospam.invalid> nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote: >> In article <rgjs55$7lf$1@dont-email.me>, sms >> <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote: > >>>> Of course nothing stopped >>>> Sprint and T-Mobile from making offers on these rural carriers. Sprint >>>> did buy Nextel, which was a disaster. >>> >>> Didn't mean to imply that Nextel was a rural carrier, they were anything >>> but! > >> it was a disaster for nextel. sprint killed it. > > Sprint, according to the people I knew on Nextel, utterly and completely > fucked up everything about Nextel. At least one friend is still angry > about that and is very annoyed that T-mobile and Spring are merging > because he definitely doesn't want to ever give Sprint a dime. > > I had a work-provided Nextel at one point, I think. That was the service > with the wealkie-talkie like mode on the phones, right? > Nextel deserved to be fucked up for providing socially obnoxious products. Good riddance!
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| From | Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> |
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| Date | 2020-08-08 22:29 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnriu9q4.229r.g.kreme@ProMini.lan> |
| In reply to | #70541 |
In message <94mdnZa0SsRBcrDCnZ2dnUU7-LHNnZ2d@giganews.com> *Hemidactylus* <ecphoric@allspamis.invalid> wrote: > Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote: >> In message <070820201140322835%nospam@nospam.invalid> nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote: >>> In article <rgjs55$7lf$1@dont-email.me>, sms >>> <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote: >> >>>>> Of course nothing stopped >>>>> Sprint and T-Mobile from making offers on these rural carriers. Sprint >>>>> did buy Nextel, which was a disaster. >>>> >>>> Didn't mean to imply that Nextel was a rural carrier, they were anything >>>> but! >> >>> it was a disaster for nextel. sprint killed it. >> >> Sprint, according to the people I knew on Nextel, utterly and completely >> fucked up everything about Nextel. At least one friend is still angry >> about that and is very annoyed that T-mobile and Spring are merging >> because he definitely doesn't want to ever give Sprint a dime. >> >> I had a work-provided Nextel at one point, I think. That was the service >> with the wealkie-talkie like mode on the phones, right? >> > Nextel deserved to be fucked up for providing socially obnoxious products. > Good riddance! It was extremely useful on that job. -- "Are you pondering what I'm pondering?" "I think so, Brain, but Pepper Ann makes me sneeze."
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| From | sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> |
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| Date | 2020-08-05 05:30 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <rge8ph$2jn$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #70474 |
On 8/4/2020 8:49 PM, JF Mezei wrote: > On 2020-08-04 14:09, nospam wrote: > >> it's an independent survey of actual coverage. > > On the year I used T-Mo for my trip to Delaware, one spot in Port henry > NY was marked as covered by T-Mo. And indeed, there was signal, except > it was AT&T signal. When I tried to make a phone call, it was rejected. You could call 911. > So a lot of the advertised coverage is "shared" with on of the big guys > but only usable with postpaid plans. True about shared coverage but only partially true about postpaid. For Sprint, there have been optional roaming add-ons, as well as included very limited roaming for some of their prepaid offerings (at least for voice and SMS). For T-Mobile there is usually the same roaming on prepaid as there is on postpaid, but usually that roaming is on smaller carriers, not on AT&T. AT&T's prepaid offerings also have some limited roaming, but not as much as their postpaid service. > The merger promotional materials to get approval to buy Sprint mentioned > increased coverage by combing both networks. In many cases, this ould > mean the map doesn't change, but by being able to use the Sprint tower, > the T-Mbile customer gets stronger signal. Remember that maps are > overly optimistic marketing docuemnts. Internally they have real maps. There are not many areas where T-Mobile would benefit by adding Sprint native coverage, but a lot of areas where Sprint would benefit by adding T-Mobile native coverage because in many cases it replaces Verizon roaming coverage. The issue is that there are also a lot of areas where Sprint now roams on Verizon but where there is no T-Mobile coverage. LTE is the great equalizer since most recent vintage phones have all the bands for all the U.S. carriers. If and when Sprint loses that Verizon roaming there will be some very unhappy Sprint users. > I had not considered Sprint roaming on Verizon. Curous how T-Mo will > handle that one. Obviouslt T-Mo customers won't roam on it. And new > Sprint Customers won't roam on it (likely won't have CDMA enabled on new > phones starting today). For now, Sprint customers still get some LTE roaming on Verizon. And while you can no longer activate a CDMA-only phone on Sprint or Verizon, an LTE phone with CDMA coverage will still work in the rare cases that you can get a CDMA signal but no LTE signal. In the past, when it was "CDMA versus GSM" there was an advantage to CDMA because of the greater range (which is why so many rural carriers moved from TDMA to CDMA rather than from TDMA to GSM). > But existing customers may be grandfathered and may continue to roam > till CDMA is shut down in 2021, after which, all customers being on > LTE/VoLTE would liekly roam on AT&T instead of Verizon. Not clear. Currently Sprint postpaid customers still get LTE roaming on Verizon, according to the Sprint/T-Mobile coverage map. For the time being, T-Mobile is maintaining separate coverage maps for its Sprint service <https://www.t-mobile.com/coverage/coverage-map> and T-Mobile service, and they are very different. Look at the western U.S. on each map and you can see how superior Sprint's coverage is, except when you zoom in you see that much of it is not actually on Sprint's network. > Remains to be see if Verizon might *want* the roaming revenue or be > gland to get rid of it since T0-Mo would have an "inferio" network to > its own. The position of AT&T and Verizon has been that since they are required to sell roaming to the other carriers they should be able to charge a premium for it because otherwise it enables their competitors to provide similar coverage without the same capital expenditures. One thing that T-Mobile was upset about was that the big guys were selling data to MVNOs at lower cost than they were selling it to T-Mobile. The top-tier carriers see MVNOs more as sources for up-side revenue from users that would not sign up for postpaid service, but they see T-Mobile as a direct competitor. Redpocket, Tracfone brands, etc. are probably not going to take away many AT&T or Verizon postpaid customers, but if T-Mobile could equal AT&T or Verizon coverage then there'd be no good reason to pay extra for AT&T or Verizon.
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| From | nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2020-08-05 08:48 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <050820200848435543%nospam@nospam.invalid> |
| In reply to | #70482 |
In article <rge8ph$2jn$1@dont-email.me>, sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote: > > There are not many areas where T-Mobile would benefit by adding Sprint > native coverage, but a lot of areas where Sprint would benefit by adding > T-Mobile native coverage because in many cases it replaces Verizon > roaming coverage. false. > The issue is that there are also a lot of areas where > Sprint now roams on Verizon but where there is no T-Mobile coverage. LTE > is the great equalizer since most recent vintage phones have all the > bands for all the U.S. carriers. actually, relatively few. recent iphones have all bands, however, older iphones and most android phones do not. > If and when Sprint loses that Verizon > roaming there will be some very unhappy Sprint users. nope, since there's nothing to lose. sprint *can't* roam on verizon lte. spring can roam on verizon cdma, but that offers little benefit. > > I had not considered Sprint roaming on Verizon. Curous how T-Mo will > > handle that one. Obviouslt T-Mo customers won't roam on it. And new > > Sprint Customers won't roam on it (likely won't have CDMA enabled on new > > phones starting today). > > For now, Sprint customers still get some LTE roaming on Verizon. no they don't, nor have they ever, since that's not physically possible for most phones. > And > while you can no longer activate a CDMA-only phone on Sprint or Verizon, > an LTE phone with CDMA coverage will still work in the rare cases that > you can get a CDMA signal but no LTE signal. all sprint/verizon towers now have lte. cdma support only exists for those with very old phones that do not support lte and/or volte. > > But existing customers may be grandfathered and may continue to roam > > till CDMA is shut down in 2021, after which, all customers being on > > LTE/VoLTE would liekly roam on AT&T instead of Verizon. > > Not clear. Currently Sprint postpaid customers still get LTE roaming on > Verizon, according to the Sprint/T-Mobile coverage map. they do not.
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| From | sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> |
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| Date | 2020-08-05 18:18 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <rgflob$dl8$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #70474 |
On 8/4/2020 8:49 PM, JF Mezei wrote: <snip> > I had not considered Sprint roaming on Verizon. Curous how T-Mo will > handle that one. I sent an e-mail to Mike Sievert asking what T-Mobile's plans are regarding the continuation of Sprint's LTE roaming onto Verizon. If I get a response from someone at T-Mobile, and if I'm allowed to share the response, I'll report back. It's an issue that is not on the radar of many Sprint subscribers. The roaming FAQ doesn't address it <https://www.sprint.com/en/support/solutions/connectivity/faqs-about-extended-coverage-and-extended-lte.html>. Sprint subscribers currently enjoy a huge amount of Verizon roaming, both LTE and CDMA (see <http://coverage.sprint.com/IMPACTmain.jsp>). The CDMA roaming will end of course, when Verizon shuts down their CDMA network, but T-Mobile hasn't said what will happen regarding the large amount of LTE roaming. If you look at the Sprint LTE map, the quantity of LTE roaming is enormous, and many of those areas do not have T-Mobile coverage.
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| From | nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2020-08-05 22:08 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <050820202208261600%nospam@nospam.invalid> |
| In reply to | #70503 |
In article <rgflob$dl8$1@dont-email.me>, sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote: > Sprint subscribers currently enjoy a huge amount of Verizon roaming, > both LTE and CDMA only cdma. lte bands are different for sprint and verizon.
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| From | sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> |
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| Date | 2020-08-04 11:35 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <rgc9qb$p9s$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #70457 |
On 8/4/2020 10:56 AM, badgolferman wrote: <snip> > I'm suspicious of coverage maps. As I mentioned in an earlier message, > TMO and VZW show the same coverage at my house but VZW signal strength > must be stronger. whatever the case I know the VZW cellular connection > works better than my TMO connection. In rural areas there's less of using the "bucket fill" on coverage maps. For the San Francisco Bay Area the maps are pretty accurate when you get into the less populated areas. Sprint does pretty well, for now, because they have a great deal of roaming on Verizon, as their map shows. Can't imagine that they'll keep all that roaming as the integration of Sprint and T-Mobile proceeds, nor is T-Mobile likely to install towers in those areas to replicate the lost Verizon roaming coverage. Roaming costs the carriers a lot, and it's not like Verizon needs any reciprocal roaming with T-Mobile. T-Mobile has a good coverage comparison tool at <https://www.t-mobile.com/coverage/lte-comparison-map>. I put in some less-populated areas we go to fairly often, 94074 95389, and 95364. The differences between T-Mobile and Verizon are stark. Not having this kind or rural coverage may not matter to some people, but it does matter to a lot of users. My experiences are more California-centric in general, and Bay Area-centric in particular, and it happens that these areas are much better covered by AT&T and Verizon for historic reasons. I guess since Sprint is now part of T-Mobile, T-Mobile left Sprint out of the comparison tool. But if you go to <https://coverage.sprint.com/coveragemap?> and look at those same areas you'll still see vast amounts of Verizon roaming. Sprint had the smallest amount of native coverage but they compensated for that with vast amounts of Verizon roaming. Back in the days of PRLs (Preferred Roaming Lists) some Sprint users loaded PRLs that forced their phone to always use Verizon. I don't know when J.D. Power started using the metric of "Problems per 100 Mobile Device Interactions" but you can see the stark differences between carriers. Verizon does better in every region of the country, see <https://www.jdpower.com/business/press-releases/2019-us-wireless-network-quality-performance-study-volume-1>.
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| From | nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2020-08-04 14:41 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <040820201441124329%nospam@nospam.invalid> |
| In reply to | #70459 |
In article <rgc9qb$p9s$1@dont-email.me>, sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote: > For the San Francisco Bay Area the maps are pretty accurate when you get > into the less populated areas. Sprint does pretty well, for now, because > they have a great deal of roaming on Verizon, as their map shows. sprint doesn't need to roam in san francisco bay area, even when it first was launched more than 20 years ago. > Verizon does better in every region of the country, no it doesn't. <https://www.tomsguide.com/best-picks/best-phone-carrier> Based on our criteria for evaluating wireless providers, T-Mobile and Verizon remain neck-and-neck as the best phone carriers. We give the edge to T-Mobile, thanks to the Uncarrier's attractively priced unlimited data plan and its strong network performance in major cities. T-Mobile is also the first carrier to provide coast-to-coast 5G coverage.
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