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  Note pad Dieter Britz <dieterhansbritz@gmail.com> - 2021-01-01 13:34 +0000
    Re: Note pad "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2021-01-01 14:40 +0100
      Re: Note pad  Arlen   Holder <arlen_holder@newmachines.com> - 2021-01-01 15:52 +0000
      Re: Note pad Davidm <davidm_uk-notme@hotmail.com> - 2021-01-01 16:11 +0000
        Re: Note pad Arlen   Holder <arlen_holder@newmachines.com> - 2021-01-01 16:37 +0000
          Re: Note pad "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2021-01-01 20:55 +0100
            Re: Note pad  Arlen   Holder <arlen_holder@newmachines.com> - 2021-01-01 20:43 +0000
              Re: Note pad "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2021-01-01 22:33 +0100
                Re: Note pad Arlen   Holder <arlen_holder@newmachines.com> - 2021-01-02 04:46 +0000
                  Re: Note pad "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2021-01-02 13:36 +0100
                    Re: Note pad AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2021-01-02 08:40 -0700
                      Re: Note pad Arlen   Holder <arlen_holder@newmachines.com> - 2021-01-02 18:49 +0000
                        Re: Note pad "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2021-01-02 20:38 +0100
                          Re: Note pad Arlen   Holder <arlen_holder@newmachines.com> - 2021-01-03 20:12 +0000
                      Re: Note pad "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2021-01-02 20:36 +0100
                    Re: Note pad Arlen   Holder <arlen_holder@newmachines.com> - 2021-01-02 17:09 +0000
                      Re: Note pad "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2021-01-02 21:01 +0100
                        Re: Note pad AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2021-01-02 14:36 -0700
                          Re: Note pad "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2021-01-02 22:55 +0100
                        Re: Note pad  Arlen   Holder <arlen_holder@newmachines.com> - 2021-01-03 20:12 +0000
                          Re: Note pad "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2021-01-03 22:54 +0100
                            Re: Note pad Arlen   Holder <arlen_holder@newmachines.com> - 2021-01-04 00:21 +0000
    Re: Note pad philo <philo@privacy.net> - 2021-01-01 09:50 -0600
      Re: Note pad Arlen   Holder <arlen_holder@newmachines.com> - 2021-01-01 16:19 +0000
        Re: Note pad philo <philo@privacy.net> - 2021-01-01 10:56 -0600
          Re: Note pad  Arlen   Holder <arlen_holder@newmachines.com> - 2021-01-01 17:32 +0000
            Re: Note pad philo <philo@privacy.net> - 2021-01-01 11:49 -0600
              Re: Note pad Arlen   Holder <arlen_holder@newmachines.com> - 2021-01-01 19:32 +0000
                Re: Note pad philo <philo@privacy.net> - 2021-01-01 17:44 -0600
                  Re: Note pad  Arlen   Holder <arlen_holder@newmachines.com> - 2021-01-02 00:17 +0000
                    Re: Note pad philo <philo@privacy.net> - 2021-01-01 18:36 -0600
                      Re: Note pad Arlen   Holder <arlen_holder@newmachines.com> - 2021-01-02 04:53 +0000
                    Re: Note pad philo@novabbs.i2p (philo) - 2021-01-02 01:47 +0000
                      Re: Note pad Arlen   Holder <arlen_holder@newmachines.com> - 2021-01-02 05:06 +0000
                        Re: Note pad philo@novabbs.i2p (philo) - 2021-01-02 05:34 +0000
                          Re: Note pad Arlen   Holder <arlen_holder@newmachines.com> - 2021-01-02 17:09 +0000
                            Re: Note pad philo@novabbs.i2p (philo) - 2021-01-02 19:12 +0000
                              Re: Note pad Arlen   Holder <arlen_holder@newmachines.com> - 2021-01-03 20:12 +0000
                            Re: Note pad philo@novabbs.i2p (philo) - 2021-01-03 02:49 +0000
                              Re: Note pad Arlen   Holder <arlen_holder@newmachines.com> - 2021-01-03 21:55 +0000
                                Re: Note pad philo <philo@privacy.net> - 2021-01-03 17:44 -0600
                                  Re: Note pad  Arlen   Holder <arlen_holder@newmachines.com> - 2021-01-04 01:05 +0000
                                    Re: Note pad Arlen   Holder <arlen_holder@newmachines.com> - 2021-01-04 01:49 +0000
      Re: Note pad Arlen   Holder <arlen_holder@newmachines.com> - 2021-01-04 02:19 +0000
    Re: Note pad VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2021-01-01 10:12 -0600
      Re: Note pad  Arlen   Holder <arlen_holder@newmachines.com> - 2021-01-01 16:33 +0000
    Re:Note pad Libor Striz <poutnik4REMOVEnntp@gmailCAPITALS.com.INVALID> - 2021-01-02 14:43 +0100
      Re: Note pad  Arlen   Holder <arlen_holder@newmachines.com> - 2021-01-02 18:44 +0000
        Re: Note pad Libor Striz <poutnik4REMOVEnntp@gmailCAPITALS.com.INVALID> - 2021-01-03 10:29 +0100
          Re: Note pad Libor Striz <poutnik4REMOVEnntp@gmailCAPITALS.com.INVALID> - 2021-01-03 11:05 +0100
          Re: Note pad Arlen   Holder <arlen_holder@newmachines.com> - 2021-01-03 21:55 +0000
            Re: Note pad Libor Striz <poutnik4REMOVEnntp@gmailCAPITALS.com.INVALID> - 2021-01-05 21:37 +0100
              Re: Note pad  Arlen Holder <arlen_holder@newmachines.com> - 2021-01-05 23:58 +0000
                Re: Note pad Libor Striz <poutnik4REMOVEnntp@gmailCAPITALS.com.INVALID> - 2021-01-07 18:03 +0100
    Re: Note pad Dieter Britz <dieterhansbritz@gmail.com> - 2021-01-02 14:18 +0000

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#72988

On 03/01/2021 21.12, Arlen Holder wrote:
> On Sat, 2 Jan 2021 21:01:49 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> 
>>> Some people consider it a blessing that their personal contacts are
>>> automatically uploaded to Google's servers.  I don't.
>>
>> Who cares? I might care, but it is pointless when many of my contacts
>> already have google accounts, use facebook, etc. I gave up.
> 
> Hi Carlos,
> 
> You bring up good points where neither one of us disagrees on the facts
> o Since we both agree on facts, we can reasonably disagree on assessments
> 
> My assessment is that it sucks that my neighbors are too stupid to _not_
> upload my contact data, and that of my kids and their kids, to Google.
> 
> I'm intelligent enough _not_ to upload _their_ kid's data to Google...
> o Why can't they extend the same intelligence quotient to me?

No.

You are judging intelligence based on things that are a matter of
opinion. Don't judge.


If you want that information not to be uploaded, lobby your congressman
representatives to pass laws against that. Privacy laws. We have some in
Europe. Americans typically hate those laws. You can not have both ends.


>> Here, it is forbidden that the owner installs the gas appliances. 
> 
> Wow. Really? That's like forbidding the owner to install a light bulb.
> o Here we can install anything we want (AFAIK).

No.

A badly setup gas installation is a risk of explosion that can kill
people besides yourself, and destroy property besides your own.

A badly setup light bulb endangers no one, because a bulb has been
designed to be user replaceable, and doesn't explode.


And of course we can call the gas company (or the fire brigade) if we
smell a leak, and they do come fast. Once in an apartment building we
smelled what we thought was gas. They came in minutes. Turned out it was
gasoline, not gas. Someone had dumped gasoline on the toilet, flooding
the entire tower with the leaked smell through the shared drains. They
did charge the building for the false alarm, though.

If they come after a call and find a fault with a gas installation that
was not inspected by a registered and licensed technician, you are in
trouble. If there is some type of accident with damages, the insurance
can refuse to cover, besides the fines.


>> You
>> need a certified installer and a periodical inspection for leaks and
>> compliance. They even do a test of the exhaust from the hot water flash
>> boiler to verify that it burns properly. I simply don't have the
>> equipment, and certainly I don't have the certifications.
> 
> Here, in the USA, as far as I know, at least in California, you can do
> anything you want as long as it's to code. The codes are specified, so it's
> not rocket science to figure out the code. 

It is not rocket science, but the law says an inspector has to inspect
it. In fact, the installation can be done by anyone, then the inspector
comes. If he finds a fault, he can be nice and repair it himself if it
is trivial, or refuse to write the certificate, charge for the visit,
and schedule another visit.




> California is strange though, as it's a nanny state.

You call them nanny states, we call it normal. We elect the politicians
to work.


>> As for other stuff, the warranty on the machines may be voided if not
>> installed by a proper technician. The washing machine I would not have
>> been able to move it myself, so...  The air conditioner also needs a
>> certified technician to handle those gases, which are controlled
>> substances sometimes. Other AC units may use flammable gasses. There are
>> papers to sign.
> 
> Ah. AC. I think we have rules on who can recharge and recycle A/C, but I'm
> not sure as I haven't recharged an automotive A/C in quite a long while
> myself.
> 
> We certainly have rules on A/C (particularly for recycling), of that I'm
> sure; but I'm not sure if it has to be a "certified" technician (who are
> usually just high-school-educated kids who couldn't go to college, IMHO, so
> I don't put much stock in technicians myself, personally, as it's not
> rocket science if you can read the codes).

It is not simply reading the codes. It is having the tools, and also
having the experience. I can do many things, but I don't have all the
tools (nor the testers), and I certainly do not have the experience. It
takes me longer to do those things.

For instance, I do my house new wiring, but I don't like to touch the
ancient wiring⁽¹⁾. I do have the equipment and the knowledge. But it
takes me weeks of spare time, when they do it in a few hours. They
instinctively know what is each cable (all black) because it is their
trade and they know how other electricians work(ed). I don't. I do
things correctly, but I do them my own way that is different from
theirs. Similarly, it is more difficult for me to guess what they did
and why.

(1) For instance, I can not easily test where a wire goes without some
helper to test at the other end of the wire. Nor can I pull at one end
of a cable with nobody pushing at the other end.


And yes, a certified electrician has to come and sign the papers after
inspection.



>>> o Joplin was my off-the-cuff response to Keep given I don't use Google stuff.
>>
>> Oh, I'm certainly interested in that application, I might set it up for me.
> 
> I installed Joplin but I haven't used it, where I "think" it was intended
> to be a FOSS replacement for Evernote, more so than for Google Keep.
> 
> And others seem to exist, e.g., this Google Keep review suggests:
> o Joplin
> o Zoho Notebook
> o Microsoft OneNote
> <https://au.pcmag.com/software/84425/google-keep>
> 
> Even so, I saw when I was researching Joplin plenty of tutorials on
> converting Google Keep to Joplin, where each has its own advantages
> (e.g., Joplin apparently allows markup & reputedly handles complexity).
> 
> For example, this is dated December 2020, so it's up to date (we hope)
> o Moving notes from Google Keep to Joplin
> <https://blog.jfx.ac/moving-notes-from-google-keep-to-joplin.html>
> 
> There are also decent tutorials for migrating Google Keep to Evernote:
> o How to transfer Notes from Google Keep to Evernote
> <https://www.guidingtech.com/transfer-notes-google-keep-evernote/>
> 
> While this lists a ton of other notetaking apps for Android & iOS:
> o Best note taking apps of 2020
> <https://www.tomsguide.com/round-up/best-note-taking-apps>
> o Evernote
> o OneNote
> o Google Keep
> o Notion
> o MyScript Nebo
> o Dropbox Paper
> o Joplin
> o Standard Note
> o Notebook
> o SimpleNote
> o Bear
> o Notes
> o Noteshelf
> o Penultimate
> o Notability
> o Squid
> 
> I generally prefer the FOSS stuff myself
> o Especially since it's free and presumably works on all platforms
> 
> First step, of course, is to export your data from Google Keep:
> o <https://support.google.com/keep/answer/10017039>
> 
> Which, this being the EOY, isn't a bad idea for archival purposes.
>  
>>> Understood, although a text file works on all platforms, does it not?
>>> o All it has to be is "saved & accessible" when & where you need it.
>>
>> It is the saving to somewhere accessible which is the difficulty, and
>> the beauty of the "cloud". I certainly can do without, but I appreciate
>> the niceties.
> 
> Understood. 
> 
> The cloud is "handy" just as a chain saw is handy
> o They both have their inherent dangers though
> 
>> Some do intentionally log into youtube so that it keeps their history of
>> what they see and the AI suggests to them new cute cat videos to watch :-)
>>
>> I don't.
> 
> Just so you know, NewPipe can be set to save its own YouTube history
> o That way your history isn't known to Google (AFAIK)

There are advantages to let google keep that history that many people
like or even love.

> 
> Between you and me, given you seem to comprehend the difference between
> Android aficionados versus the average Android user, if someone uses
> YouTube, I think they're just crazy, given NewPipe is just about everything
> anyone would want in a YouTube replacement app.

Again, you are judging. Don't judge.

...

-- 
Cheers, Carlos.

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#72995

On Sun, 3 Jan 2021 22:54:18 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote:

> You are judging intelligence based on things that are a matter of
> opinion. Don't judge.

They're the ones uploading my kids' & grandkids' contacts to Google.
o Not me.
 
> If you want that information not to be uploaded, lobby your congressman
> representatives to pass laws against that. Privacy laws. We have some in
> Europe. Americans typically hate those laws. You can not have both ends.

I voted "yes" on this November election day proposition 24 on privacy:
o <https://votersedge.org/en/ca/ballot/election/2020-11-03/measure/proposition-24>

It wasn't as easy a call as one might think because a good law badly
written or badly implemented is not a good law in the end.

So it was a judgment call:
a. Should I vote for privacy, or, 
b. Should I opt to not increase the government bureaucracy 

I worried about this creation of an entirely new government bureaucracy,
which, let's face it, only the largest states in America can pull it off,
where California has used its clout in the past (e.g., in California you
can only buy a vehicle certified for California, which no other state can
get away with because cars happen to have wheels ... just ask Jim Florio in
NJ what happened when he tried a similar trick on the sale of trucks).

Whether I like it or not, the bill passed 
o 9,384,125 votes yes (56.2%)
o 7,305,026 votes no (43.8%)

Where I'd prefer "big decisions" be forced to earn a super majority
o But it's law which the California lawmakers can't stop

Note: In California, the "people" get to make the laws when/if they want
o This is often abused by well funded corporations though 

>>> Here, it is forbidden that the owner installs the gas appliances. 
>> 
>> Wow. Really? That's like forbidding the owner to install a light bulb.
>> o Here we can install anything we want (AFAIK).
> 
> No.
> 
> A badly setup gas installation is a risk of explosion that can kill
> people besides yourself, and destroy property besides your own.

Carlos,
Don't be like Poutnik and hand me pure platitudes
o If I install an appliance to code - the appliance is safe.

Whether you like facts or not, the fact is still a fact.
o If I install a hot water heater to code (and I've done it many times)
  then it's safe.

Whether you think it's not safe or not is immaterial.
o If it's to code, it's safe.

Do I sound like someone who doesn't know what the codes are?
o Do you think they _hide_ the codes from us in America?

It doesn't work the way you _wish_ it would work, Carlos.
o Just because you're too scared to do something doesn't make it unsafe.

It just means you're too scared to do it.
o Here, in America, most of us aren't scared to do anything.

It's partly what makes us Americans, Carlos.
o Our spirit is we can do whatever we want to do, Carlos.

And we do.

> A badly setup light bulb endangers no one, because a bulb has been
> designed to be user replaceable, and doesn't explode.

Agreed.

> And of course we can call the gas company (or the fire brigade) if we
> smell a leak, and they do come fast. Once in an apartment building we
> smelled what we thought was gas. They came in minutes. Turned out it was
> gasoline, not gas. Someone had dumped gasoline on the toilet, flooding
> the entire tower with the leaked smell through the shared drains. They
> did charge the building for the false alarm, though.

Hmmm... In the Silicon Valley we have pretty blue and white roadside signs
painted almost everywhere saying that the water drains to the bay so please
don't dump stuff into the drainage system. Particularly stuff like benzene.

Up here, in the mountains, every one of us has our own well and septic
system, so we wouldn't think of dumping gasoline into the drainage system.

We have places to recycle used oil, where, I've never been refused when I
bring a container of old motor oil to the stores that I bought the original
oil (I think it's a law they must accept not only the old oil but also the
old oil filter but I'm not sure about that).

And the recycling gives us five (yes, five) bins each of the recycling
which is ten bins total (five for household recycling and five for
landscape recycling) where these wheeled bins come up to your armpits.

Of course, they charge us over $100 every three months for the one puny
gray trash bin (I think it's 20 gallons?) so they get us in the end. :)

> If they come after a call and find a fault with a gas installation that
> was not inspected by a registered and licensed technician, you are in
> trouble. If there is some type of accident with damages, the insurance
> can refuse to cover, besides the fines.

What if it's 100% to the code?

> It is not rocket science, but the law says an inspector has to inspect
> it. In fact, the installation can be done by anyone, then the inspector
> comes. If he finds a fault, he can be nice and repair it himself if it
> is trivial, or refuse to write the certificate, charge for the visit,
> and schedule another visit.

I suspect it's similar here for the devices which _require_ a permit.
o Hell, we can't even substantially re-roof a house here without one.

But I suspect the permit is more of a tax than anything else.
       
>> California is strange though, as it's a nanny state.
> 
> You call them nanny states, we call it normal. We elect the politicians
> to work.

I'm not a native Californian, as I grew up in the upper northeast.
o The native Californians are, IMHO, morons.

They trust government.
o I don't.

> It is not simply reading the codes. It is having the tools, and also
> having the experience. I can do many things, but I don't have all the
> tools (nor the testers), and I certainly do not have the experience. It
> takes me longer to do those things.

The tools are, almost always, free, in the sense that usually you can
re-use them for the rest of your life.

As an example, my first brake job, oh, when was that, probably in the early
sixties, I needed jack stands and a floor jack, which I'm still using
today.

The first time I mounted a car tire, I had to buy a tire mounting tool, and
then a bead breaker, and then a static balancer, which cost, oh, about $300
or so, but I've done scores of tires since, such that the tools long ago
paid for themselves such that mounting & balancing tires is free:
o Questions about mounting & balancing new LT tires on new steel rims
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rec.autos.tech/J5-7TxdDpBw>
o Clare - are smaller car tires easier to balance than SUV tires? 
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.home.repair/So4om4fLtmI>
o Clare, Xeno.... did you ever have a batch of tires that just wouldn't seal after the final bead? 
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rec.autos.tech/n4bqsqo6ObY>

Even the gas cans paid for themselves, as a single trip to the gas station
for a retired person is 30 miles, which, oh, say, at 30 miles to a gallon
(to make the math easy) is three or four bucks each trip just in gas.

When I replaced a clutch, they said it would be around twelve hundred
bucks, so I bought the clutch plate & diaphragm, throw out bearing, main
bearing, flywheel, and transmission seals for, oh, about $300 or so and
then I had to buy a transmission jack, for another $250. Plus a few 30 inch
extensions to my 1/2 inch sockets, for a total of, oh, say, about half of
what it would have cost to pay someone else to replace that SUV clutch.
o Clutch bolts and locktite
<https://groups.google.com/g/rec.autos.tech/c/wEVm6kdNo2o/>
 
> For instance, I do my house new wiring, but I don't like to touch the
> ancient wiring⁽¹⁾. I do have the equipment and the knowledge. But it
> takes me weeks of spare time, when they do it in a few hours. 

Yes but. Do they do a good job?

I always liken your argument to the one about cleaning toilets.
o Sure, they clean them fast - but do they care about the results?

> They
> instinctively know what is each cable (all black) because it is their
> trade and they know how other electricians work(ed). I don't. I do
> things correctly, but I do them my own way that is different from
> theirs. Similarly, it is more difficult for me to guess what they did
> and why.

Out here, we have codes. 
o Black is hot
o White is neutral 
o Bare or green is ground

Even the bolts are often color coded
o Brass is hot
o Silvered is neutral
o Green is ground

We also have red & blue for special situations (e.g., 3-way switches).

> (1) For instance, I can not easily test where a wire goes without some
> helper to test at the other end of the wire. Nor can I pull at one end
> of a cable with nobody pushing at the other end.

That's why we all have Fluke meters.
 
> And yes, a certified electrician has to come and sign the papers after
> inspection.

We have to wire to code.
o AFAIK, it doesn't matter who does the wiring, as long as it's to code.

Home wiring is about as easy a home-repair task there is.
o If that's too complex, then I understand you point of view.

But here we can do our own wiring & plumbing & car repairs.

>> Just so you know, NewPipe can be set to save its own YouTube history
>> o That way your history isn't known to Google (AFAIK)
> 
> There are advantages to let google keep that history that many people
> like or even love.

OK. But there are disadvantages also (mostly to your privacy).

> Again, you are judging. Don't judge.

I don't mind ignorance as much as I mind stupidity.
o Ignorance is simply not knowing that NewPipe exists
o Stupidity is knowing that, and yet still watching commercials on YouTube

Same with people who don't know Android doesn't need to be set to a Google
Account, or with people who don't know that Google Maps tracks them
everywhere.

Ignorance can be fixed; stupidity cannot.
-- 
Usenet allows those with different points of view to exchange ideas.

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#72894

On 1/1/21 7:34 AM, Dieter Britz wrote:
> What is the best simple note pad app? I have tried one,
> and it has bells & whistles, which irritate. I want one
> that is just a plain sheet I can make notes in, nothing more.
> 
My phone came with "Notes"

Full name is Super Simple Notes

About as simple and straight forward as you can get


I also love Quick Memo

Though it can be used simply as a text note pad,
one can also draw with your finger.

I like doodling in my spare time

Even a few friends think I'm creating art.

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#72898

On Fri, 1 Jan 2021 09:50:06 -0600, philo wrote:

> My phone came with "Notes"
> Full name is Super Simple Notes

Hi philo,

Happy New Year!

Thanks for being purposefully helpful for the OP where I also have an
interest myself in finding the best notepad-like apps for Android.

The classic problem of many Android apps having the same name, and even
worse, the same name for the icon, shows up in spades for notepad apps.

Searching on the Google Play scraper Aurora Store for "Simple Notes" with
the default filter of (a) free, (b) ad free, (c) GSF free, and as always
(d) Google free, I find:
o Simple Notes To-do list <com.simplemobiletools.notes>
o Simple Notepad <org.mightyfrog.android.simplenotepad

If I allow GSF based apps, this adds
o Simplenote <com.automattic.simplenote> [sic]
o Simple Notes <com.simpleappsdevelopment.notes>

If I allow ads, more come to the fore:
o Simple Notes <com.angkorworld.memo>
o Simple Notes Widget <ru.igarin.notes>
o Super Simple Notes <com.bitwize10.supersimplenotes>
o Simple Notes <net.softandroid.simplenotes2>
o Simple Notes Offline Notepad <com.notes.keepnotes>
etc.

> About as simple and straight forward as you can get

Out of _that_ list, the _simplest_, I would think, is:
o Simple Notes, by Simple Mobile Tools
<https://www.simplemobiletools.com/notes/>
<https://github.com/SimpleMobileTools/Simple-Notes>
 
> I also love Quick Memo

You bring up a good point that a "search" for a good note taking tool has a
lot of basic keywords, such as "memo" and "notes" and "editor" and "text" 
and "list", etc.

Also note that there are multiple "Quick Memo" apps on Google Play where,
as I said above, this is one case where almost all the apps have almost the
same name, and even worse, almost the same icon name once installed.

> Though it can be used simply as a text note pad,
> one can also draw with your finger.
> I like doodling in my spare time
> Even a few friends think I'm creating art.

Running the obligatory Google Play search via the Aurora Store set to the
default filters of (a) free, (b) ad free, (c) GSF free, and as always
(d) Google free, I find only two apps on Google Play of a similar name:
o quickmemo+ <com.becool.notepad>
o Quick Memo <com.trisnjolly.quickmemo>

Loosening the Google Play filters to allow crapware comes up with more:
o Quick Memo <com.jsoh.drawmemo>
o Quick Memo <jp.co.doublecircle.memo.quick>
o Quick Memo ColorNote <com.socialnmobile.dictapps.notepad...>
o Quick Memo Notes <com.abhi.newmemo>
etc.

As I said prior, I hope to run a comprehensive Android note-taking app
review, to choose the best, where the best will almost always (if not
always) be FOSS software which is (a) free, (b) ad free, (c) most likely
GSF free, and (d) almost certainly Google free.

But that's for a later date, so I take special interest in what the OP ends
up choosing for his best freeware simple note taking app.
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#72903

On 1/1/21 10:19 AM, Arlen Holder wrote:
> On Fri, 1 Jan 2021 09:50:06 -0600, philo wrote:
> 
>> My phone came with "Notes"
>> Full name is Super Simple Notes
> 
> Hi philo,
> 
> Happy New Year!
> 
> Thanks for being purposefully helpful for the OP where I also have an
> interest myself in finding the best notepad-like apps for Android.
> 
> The classic problem of many Android apps having the same name, and even
> worse, the same name for the icon, shows up in spades for notepad apps.
> 
> Searching on the Google Play scraper Aurora Store for "Simple Notes" with
> the default filter of (a) free, (b) ad free, (c) GSF free, and as always
> (d) Google free, I find:
> o Simple Notes To-do list <com.simplemobiletools.notes>
> o Simple Notepad <org.mightyfrog.android.simplenotepad
> 
> If I allow GSF based apps, this adds
> o Simplenote <com.automattic.simplenote> [sic]
> o Simple Notes <com.simpleappsdevelopment.notes>
> 
> If I allow ads, more come to the fore:
> o Simple Notes <com.angkorworld.memo>
> o Simple Notes Widget <ru.igarin.notes>
> o Super Simple Notes <com.bitwize10.supersimplenotes>
> o Simple Notes <net.softandroid.simplenotes2>
> o Simple Notes Offline Notepad <com.notes.keepnotes>
> etc.
> 
>> About as simple and straight forward as you can get
> 
> Out of _that_ list, the _simplest_, I would think, is:
> o Simple Notes, by Simple Mobile Tools
> <https://www.simplemobiletools.com/notes/>
> <https://github.com/SimpleMobileTools/Simple-Notes>
>   
>> I also love Quick Memo
> 
> You bring up a good point that a "search" for a good note taking tool has a
> lot of basic keywords, such as "memo" and "notes" and "editor" and "text"
> and "list", etc.
> 
> Also note that there are multiple "Quick Memo" apps on Google Play where,
> as I said above, this is one case where almost all the apps have almost the
> same name, and even worse, almost the same icon name once installed.
> 
>> Though it can be used simply as a text note pad,
>> one can also draw with your finger.
>> I like doodling in my spare time
>> Even a few friends think I'm creating art.
> 
> Running the obligatory Google Play search via the Aurora Store set to the
> default filters of (a) free, (b) ad free, (c) GSF free, and as always
> (d) Google free, I find only two apps on Google Play of a similar name:
> o quickmemo+ <com.becool.notepad>
> o Quick Memo <com.trisnjolly.quickmemo>
> 
> Loosening the Google Play filters to allow crapware comes up with more:
> o Quick Memo <com.jsoh.drawmemo>
> o Quick Memo <jp.co.doublecircle.memo.quick>
> o Quick Memo ColorNote <com.socialnmobile.dictapps.notepad...>
> o Quick Memo Notes <com.abhi.newmemo>
> etc.
> 
> As I said prior, I hope to run a comprehensive Android note-taking app
> review, to choose the best, where the best will almost always (if not
> always) be FOSS software which is (a) free, (b) ad free, (c) most likely
> GSF free, and (d) almost certainly Google free.
> 
> But that's for a later date, so I take special interest in what the OP ends
> up choosing for his best freeware simple note taking app.
> 

I guess I was lucky in that both the apps I mentioned just came with my 
phone.

I did try some others with more features only to realize I did not need 
anything "fancier."


Here is a cartoon character I scribbled this morning



https://scontent-ort2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/135365477_4179401488753855_3094668575073065359_o.jpg?_nc_cat=108&ccb=2&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=4D_gcsKnLpIAX-8uCIt&_nc_ht=scontent-ort2-1.xx&oh=626be8119882ac24e6f49a911ace1410&oe=6014DAA4

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#72905

On Fri, 1 Jan 2021 10:56:58 -0600, philo wrote:

> Here is a cartoon character I scribbled this morning

Hi philo

That's quite a professional nice clean looking hand/face doodle!
o Kudos to your for a job well done using a tool that helps you do it.

The problem with trying to find a "simple" note tool for the OP
o Is that there are so many of them out there, it's not funny

For example:
o SimpleMemo, by Skysense Co., Ltd.
<https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=jp.co.skysense.android.simplememo>

Even with the keywords you provided, I'm still trying to find _which_
o quick memo

For example, I searched but over 300 apps came up in just this one search:
o <https://play.google.com/store/search?q=quick%20memo&c=apps>

Those that are named "quick memo" seem to be among these:
o quick memo, by fmouriTools, Contains Ads
  <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.fmouri.memo>
o Quick Memo, by overman
  <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.makestorming.quicknote>
o Quick Memo, by KayJee StudioLifestyle, Contains Ads
  <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.kayjee.quickmemo>
o QuickMemo, by James AlfeiProductivity, Contains Ads
  <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.alfei.quickmemo>
o Quick Memo, by jollyTris
  <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.trisnjolly.quickmemo>
o Quick Memo, by js OhTools, Contains Ads
  <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.jsoh.drawmemo>
o Quick Memo, by Blacksmith DoubleCircleProductivity, Contains Ads
  <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=jp.co.doublecircle.memo.quick>
o QuickMemo+, by Andreas Kempe
  <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=de.byte_artist.quickmemoplus>
o Ultra quick memo, by Lightweight Apps, Contains Ads
  <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=gj.memo>
etc.

Which "Quick Memo" of the above is the one you have on your device?
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#72906

On 1/1/21 11:32 AM, Arlen Holder wrote:
> On Fri, 1 Jan 2021 10:56:58 -0600, philo wrote:
> 
>> Here is a cartoon character I scribbled this morning
> 
> Hi philo
> 
> That's quite a professional nice clean looking hand/face doodle!
> o Kudos to your for a job well done using a tool that helps you do it.
> 
> The problem with trying to find a "simple" note tool for the OP
> o Is that there are so many of them out there, it's not funny
> 
> For example:
> o SimpleMemo, by Skysense Co., Ltd.
> <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=jp.co.skysense.android.simplememo>
> 
> Even with the keywords you provided, I'm still trying to find _which_
> o quick memo
> 
> For example, I searched but over 300 apps came up in just this one search:
> o <https://play.google.com/store/search?q=quick%20memo&c=apps>
> 
> Those that are named "quick memo" seem to be among these:
> o quick memo, by fmouriTools, Contains Ads
>    <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.fmouri.memo>
> o Quick Memo, by overman
>    <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.makestorming.quicknote>
> o Quick Memo, by KayJee StudioLifestyle, Contains Ads
>    <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.kayjee.quickmemo>
> o QuickMemo, by James AlfeiProductivity, Contains Ads
>    <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.alfei.quickmemo>
> o Quick Memo, by jollyTris
>    <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.trisnjolly.quickmemo>
> o Quick Memo, by js OhTools, Contains Ads
>    <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.jsoh.drawmemo>
> o Quick Memo, by Blacksmith DoubleCircleProductivity, Contains Ads
>    <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=jp.co.doublecircle.memo.quick>
> o QuickMemo+, by Andreas Kempe
>    <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=de.byte_artist.quickmemoplus>
> o Ultra quick memo, by Lightweight Apps, Contains Ads
>    <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=gj.memo>
> etc.
> 
> Which "Quick Memo" of the above is the one you have on your device?
> 


It appears the app I use is not available for download. It seems to be 
specific to my LG phone


It is called QuickMemo+     (version 8.0.26)

Although I could find QuickMemo+ on a Google search for apps, it is not 
the one I have on my phone.



I'm amazed at how good it works.

Though I dabble a bit with art from time to time,I never thought I'd 
ever be able to create cartoon characters.

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#72907

On Fri, 1 Jan 2021 11:49:03 -0600, philo wrote:

> I could find QuickMemo+ on a Google search for apps, 
> it is not the one I have on my phone.

Hi philo,

That's _exactly_ what I was worried about, although the app still "could" be on 
Google Play if we knew the unique app name we could search by that unique name.

Thanks for looking though, as that's the problem with Android apps
o There are so many with the same name which is why I use unique names

A bunch of "app managers" will tell you the unique name, by the way:
o How do you find the unique app package real name on your Android device? 
  <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/comp.mobile.android/4TcwyAcSPqM>

Once we have the unique name, a search can be more fruitful.
o Freeware to list all apps to editable text file of URLs, automatic backup of all versions, & restore
  <https://groups.google.com/g/comp.mobile.android/c/vKeIRGMVMu8/m/JXdhHT0FAQAJ>

In addition, for your own use, you can _save_ the APK to use elsewhere
o Android Free, GSF free, ad free APK app backup & restore programs for already installed apps (including system apps)
  <https://groups.google.com/g/comp.mobile.android/c/-Y97dk5-uI0/m/FwXV-zpTBwAJ>

With those two hints, two nice things are enabled:
1. Others can find the same app you have by searching on its unique APK appname,
2. You can re-use that system-installed app on another device yourself.

See also:
o What method you use to backup & share your installed apps on Android?
  <https://groups.google.com/g/comp.mobile.android/c/FsRRoQbdKeo/m/UxMPdDI3BwAJ>

o What free non-root Android backup & restore solution do you recommend for general use?
  <https://groups.google.com/g/comp.mobile.android/c/jZ8IxxgXFys/m/_Jh-JgoJAwAJ>

o Tutorial: How to back up non-root Android apps and their data over Wi-Fi using Helium freeware on Windows
  <https://groups.google.com/g/comp.mobile.android/c/ZUEJUrPrEog/m/YZo2Sx3jAgAJ>
-- 
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#72915

On 1/1/21 1:32 PM, Arlen Holder wrote:
> On Fri, 1 Jan 2021 11:49:03 -0600, philo wrote:
> 
>> I could find QuickMemo+ on a Google search for apps,
>> it is not the one I have on my phone.
> 
> Hi philo,
> 
> That's _exactly_ what I was worried about, although the app still "could" be on
> Google Play if we knew the unique app name we could search by that unique name.
> 
> Thanks for looking though, as that's the problem with Android apps
> o There are so many with the same name which is why I use unique names
> 
> A bunch of "app managers" will tell you the unique name, by the way:
> o How do you find the unique app package real name on your Android device?
>    <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/comp.mobile.android/4TcwyAcSPqM>
> 
> Once we have the unique name, a search can be more fruitful.
> o Freeware to list all apps to editable text file of URLs, automatic backup of all versions, & restore
>    <https://groups.google.com/g/comp.mobile.android/c/vKeIRGMVMu8/m/JXdhHT0FAQAJ>
> 
> In addition, for your own use, you can _save_ the APK to use elsewhere
> o Android Free, GSF free, ad free APK app backup & restore programs for already installed apps (including system apps)
>    <https://groups.google.com/g/comp.mobile.android/c/-Y97dk5-uI0/m/FwXV-zpTBwAJ>
> 
> With those two hints, two nice things are enabled:
> 1. Others can find the same app you have by searching on its unique APK appname,
> 2. You can re-use that system-installed app on another device yourself.
> 
> See also:
> o What method you use to backup & share your installed apps on Android?
>    <https://groups.google.com/g/comp.mobile.android/c/FsRRoQbdKeo/m/UxMPdDI3BwAJ>
> 
> o What free non-root Android backup & restore solution do you recommend for general use?
>    <https://groups.google.com/g/comp.mobile.android/c/jZ8IxxgXFys/m/_Jh-JgoJAwAJ>
> 
> o Tutorial: How to back up non-root Android apps and their data over Wi-Fi using Helium freeware on Windows
>    <https://groups.google.com/g/comp.mobile.android/c/ZUEJUrPrEog/m/YZo2Sx3jAgAJ>
> 



I was still looking and it seems like it's on my LG-6 and maybe no where 
else.
I still have my old LG-4 and there is no sign of it there or ability to 
install it.

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#72919

On Fri, 1 Jan 2021 17:44:40 -0600, philo wrote:

> I was still looking and it seems like it's on my LG-6 and maybe no where 
> else.

Hi philo,

If it's on your phone, then you already know the unique name of the app

If it's on one phone, you can almost always put it on any phone.
o It's not 100%always, but almost always (like 99% of the time always).

You just do three things most of us do all day, every day
1. You extract the APK on the 1st phone
2. You put the APK on the 2nd phone
3. You tap that APK to install it on the 2nd phone

I do it all the time
o Only once or twice out of, oh, many hundreds of APKs, has that not worked

> I still have my old LG-4 and there is no sign of it there or ability to 
> install it.

You can slide the APK from one to the other in so many ways it's not funny.
o Perhaps the simplest way is just plug both phones into USB 

Then just slide the extracted APK from the 1st phone to the 2nd phone
o Tap on the APK on the 2nd phone, and it will install (99% of the time)

If it doesn't, let us know what it says when you tap the APK to install it.
-- 
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#72921

On 1/1/21 6:17 PM, Arlen Holder wrote:
> On Fri, 1 Jan 2021 17:44:40 -0600, philo wrote:
> 
>> I was still looking and it seems like it's on my LG-6 and maybe no where
>> else.
> 
> Hi philo,
> 
> If it's on your phone, then you already know the unique name of the app
> 
> If it's on one phone, you can almost always put it on any phone.
> o It's not 100%always, but almost always (like 99% of the time always).
> 
> You just do three things most of us do all day, every day
> 1. You extract the APK on the 1st phone
> 2. You put the APK on the 2nd phone
> 3. You tap that APK to install it on the 2nd phone
> 
> I do it all the time
> o Only once or twice out of, oh, many hundreds of APKs, has that not worked
> 
>> I still have my old LG-4 and there is no sign of it there or ability to
>> install it.
> 
> You can slide the APK from one to the other in so many ways it's not funny.
> o Perhaps the simplest way is just plug both phones into USB
> 
> Then just slide the extracted APK from the 1st phone to the 2nd phone
> o Tap on the APK on the 2nd phone, and it will install (99% of the time)
> 
> If it doesn't, let us know what it says when you tap the APK to install it.
> 



Thank you

something for me to check out.
Appreciate the help!

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#72927

On Fri, 1 Jan 2021 18:36:53 -0600, philo wrote:

> something for me to check out.

Hi philo,

Happy New Year!

Yes, it's worthwhile to know that any free app that is already installed on
your phone can instantly be extracted to an APK where most of those
extracted APKs (99%) will work fine when re-installed on another phone.

The minor 1% (or even less) would be those that are built _only_ for one
phone or for one brand or for one Android SDK version, etc.,. but almost
all apps (even the pre-installed apps) work on almost all phones (IME).

Note: That only applies to Android & Windows & Linux but not Apple stuff.
o Apple IPAs are designed to be limited from the start so all bets are off.

As for the unique app name, every app has one, and without that, it's
something that matters if someone else is trying to use the same app as
lots of apps have the same informal name but none have the same unique name
(AFAIK).

Happy New Year!
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#72923

Tried an apk backup app.
It does not see QuickMemo+

It seems to be built on to the OS and not a stand alone app

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#72930

On Sat, 2 Jan 2021 01:47:00 +0000, philo wrote:

> Tried an apk backup app.
> It does not see QuickMemo+
> 
> It seems to be built on to the OS and not a stand alone app

Hi philo,

IMHO, what you just claimed is (AFAIK) completely unheard of.

Did you use an APK backup app that I posted in the cites?
o Which of those APK backup apps I had suggested did you use?
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#72932

I tried one you has suggedted: My APKs
plus one I found on my own called App Backup and Restore.
Both gave identical results.

They saw mostly just apps I had installed myself.

Neither saw QuickMemo+

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#72943

On Sat, 2 Jan 2021 05:34:54 +0000, philo wrote:

> Neither saw QuickMemo+

Everything you said is unheard of, in my humblest of experiences:
1. I can always find the unique app name (always!)
2. I can always extract the APK after the fact (even system APKs!).

I don't have any more advice for you than what I already gave though.
o So we're just gonna have to leave you at this point as you are.

Bear in mind here's just one year's worth of my extracted APKs:
o <https://i.postimg.cc/bN875p8b/apk01.jpg>

That's 1,600 extracted APKs on one phone alone for only one year of use.
o My point is that what I say is based on my humblest of experiences.

Everything you said is unheard of, to me, in my humble experience.
o But I can't offer you any more help than I already have provided.

Good luck.
-- 
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#72952

Everything I've read about QuickMemo+
says it's not a stand alone app.

If you have extracted it, please let me know exactly how you did so.

Not a big deal though. Thanks

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#72979

On Sat, 2 Jan 2021 19:12:27 +0000, philo wrote:

> Everything I've read about QuickMemo+
> says it's not a stand alone app.
> 
> If you have extracted it, please let me know exactly how you did so.
> 
> Not a big deal though. Thanks

AFAIK, there is no such thing as "not a stand alone app".
o Nor is there such a thing as an app without a unique name

If it has an icon called something, oh, say, "QuickMemo+" then 
a. It has a unique name (and that's _not_ QuickMemo+ for sure!)
b. And, it can be extracted to an APK (it just can)

Based on experience that I've been finding names & extracting APKs 
o For as long as Android has existed (well, almost as long)

Just my one phone alone, barely a year old, has 1,600 APKs:
o <https://i.postimg.cc/bN875p8b/apk01.jpg> 1600 APKs extracted
o <https://i.postimg.cc/cLXyGjTH/apk02.jpg> 16GB of archive storage

So, unless you know a _lot_ more than I do, I doubt what you claim
o But it's no big deal.

I can't help you any more than I've already done so.
o If you read the cites, you would be able to perform the tasks.

Good luck!
-- 
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#72966

Success!

The program APP Backup & Restore had a setting to find system apps.

And I now have QuickMemo+ backed up.

 I did not see such a setting on My APKs.


Anyway thank you so much.

Now if I get a new Android without the app..

I can install it.

Again thank you!

Really nice to know this.

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#72985

On Sun, 3 Jan 2021 02:49:48 +0000, philo wrote:

> Success!
> The program APP Backup & Restore had a setting to find system apps.
> And I now have QuickMemo+ backed up.

Good. I knew it would work to back up _any_ installed app, even system
apps. 

What was the full name of the APK that it backed up?

> Now if I get a new Android without the app.. 
> I can install it.

Just a warning that any one free APK works on any other Android phone under
two circumstances, which only happen less than 1% of the time:
1. If the manufacturer of the app _limited_ it to a specific phone, or, 
2. If the SDK version of the app no longer works on a newer Android version

In my humblest of experiences, where I must have extracted thousands of
APKs over the years for re-use on other Android devices, this happens only
a handful of times.

> Again thank you!
> Really nice to know this.

I am glad to help as I was starting to wonder if you were a troll, so I'm
glad you reported back.

It's a favorite tactic of the "highwinds" trolls (such as "T", "micky",
"Bod", and a few others I'm watching closely) to ask a question that they
simply fabricate, and then to throw hurdle after hurdle into the responses
aimed at graciously helping them.

Not even clicking nor reading (or comprehending) the cites provided is a
classic child-like game that the Apple apologists do all the time, by the
way, as do the infantile trolls, where they don't even attempt the
solutions so kindly suggested of them (e.g., you still haven't bothered to
list the full name of the app you have, which is trivial to do if you
followed my directions).

So I'm glad you reported success.
o What is the name of the APK you extracted?
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