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  Let's attempt Frank Slootweg's freeware solution for backing up Android to Windows  Arlen_Holder <a%rle%20nh.older@no.spam.net> - 2018-11-11 17:31 +0000
    Re: Let's attempt Frank Slootweg's freeware solution for backing up Android to Windows Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-11-17 14:48 +0000
      Re: Let's attempt Frank Slootweg's freeware solution for backing up Android to Windows arlen michael holder <arlen_michael_holder@example.com> - 2018-11-17 20:14 +0000
        [OT] How to use a 'news:' URL. (was: Let's attempt Frank Slootweg's freeware solution for backing up Android to Windows) Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-11-17 21:14 +0000
          Re: [OT] How to use a 'news:' URL. arlen michael holder <arlen_michael_holder@example.com> - 2018-11-17 22:54 +0000
            Re: [OT] How to use a 'news:' URL. Alek <alek.trishan@gmail.com> - 2018-11-17 19:53 -0500
              Re: [OT] How to use a 'news:' URL. "J. P. Gilliver (John)" <G6JPG-255@255soft.uk> - 2018-11-18 03:57 +0000
                Re: [OT] How to use a 'news:' URL. arlen michael holder <arlen_michael_holder@example.com> - 2018-11-18 16:14 +0000
                  Re: [OT] How to use a 'news:' URL. Alek <alek.trishan@gmail.com> - 2018-11-18 14:31 -0500
            Re: [OT] How to use a 'news:' URL. arlen michael holder <arlen_michael_holder@example.com> - 2018-11-18 03:27 +0000
            Re: [OT] How to use a 'news:' URL. Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-11-18 19:14 +0000
              Re: [OT] How to use a 'news:' URL. arlen michael holder <arlen_michael_holder@example.com> - 2018-11-19 03:39 +0000
                Re: [OT] How to use a 'news:' URL. Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-11-19 11:22 +0000
              Re: [OT] How to use a 'news:' URL. arlen michael holder <arlen_michael_holder@example.com> - 2018-11-19 03:52 +0000
          Re: [OT] How to use a 'news:' URL "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-11-18 21:54 +0100
            Re: [OT] How to use a 'news:' URL Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-11-19 12:13 +0000
              Re: [OT] How to use a 'news:' URL nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-19 08:45 -0500
              Re: [OT] How to use a 'news:' URL "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-11-19 15:49 +0100
                Re: [OT] How to use a 'news:' URL nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-19 10:13 -0500
                  Re: [OT] How to use a 'news:' URL Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2018-11-19 20:23 +0000
                  Re: [OT] How to use a 'news:' URL "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-11-20 12:12 +0100
                    Re: [OT] How to use a 'news:' URL nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-20 09:04 -0500
                      Re: [OT] How to use a 'news:' URL "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-11-21 14:59 +0100
                        Re: [OT] How to use a 'news:' URL Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2018-11-21 09:30 -0500
                          Re: [OT] How to use a 'news:' URL "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-11-21 23:08 +0100
                        Re: [OT] How to use a 'news:' URL nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-21 09:41 -0500
                          Re: [OT] How to use a 'news:' URL Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2018-11-21 10:02 -0500
                            Re: [OT] How to use a 'news:' URL nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-21 10:07 -0500
                              Re: [OT] How to use a 'news:' URL Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2018-11-21 10:18 -0500
                                Re: [OT] How to use a 'news:' URL nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-21 10:25 -0500
                                  Re: [OT] How to use a 'news:' URL Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2018-11-21 13:10 -0500
                                    Re: [OT] How to use a 'news:' URL nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-21 15:10 -0500
                                      Re: [OT] How to use a 'news:' URL Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2018-11-21 15:42 -0500
                                        Re: [OT] How to use a 'news:' URL nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-21 15:47 -0500
                                      Re: [OT] How to use a 'news:' URL Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2018-11-21 15:44 -0500
                                        Re: [OT] How to use a 'news:' URL Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-11-21 21:43 +0000
                                      Re: [OT] How to use a 'news:' URL "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-11-21 23:12 +0100
              Re: [OT] How to use a 'news:' URL Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-11-20 16:44 +0000
      Re: Let's attempt Frank Slootweg's freeware solution for backing up Android to Windows Alek <alek.trishan@gmail.com> - 2018-11-17 15:29 -0500
        Re: Let's attempt Frank Slootweg's freeware solution for backing up Android to Windows nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-17 15:34 -0500
          Re: Let's attempt Frank Slootweg's freeware solution for backing up Android to Windows "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-11-20 12:12 +0100
            Re: Let's attempt Frank Slootweg's freeware solution for backing up Android to Windows nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-20 09:04 -0500
        Re: Let's attempt Frank Slootweg's freeware solution for backing up Android to Windows Alek <alek.trishan@gmail.com> - 2018-11-17 15:39 -0500
        Re: Let's attempt Frank Slootweg's freeware solution for backing up Android to Windows Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-11-17 21:58 +0000
        Re: Let's attempt Frank Slootweg's freeware solution for backing up Android to Windows "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-11-20 12:15 +0100
        Re: Let's attempt Frank Slootweg's freeware solution for backing up Android to Windows Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2018-11-20 08:07 -0500
        Re: Let's attempt Frank Slootweg's freeware solution for backing up Android to Windows Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2018-11-20 08:21 -0500
          Re: Let's attempt Frank Slootweg's freeware solution for backing up Android to Windows Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-11-20 16:34 +0000
            Re: Let's attempt Frank Slootweg's freeware solution for backing up Android to Windows "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-11-21 15:04 +0100
              Re: Let's attempt Frank Slootweg's freeware solution for backing up Android to Windows "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-11-22 13:09 +0100

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#57688 — Re: [OT] How to use a 'news:' URL

On 19/11/2018 16.13, nospam wrote:
> In article <m4vacf-sbi.ln1@Telcontar.valinor>, Carlos E.R.
> <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
> 
>>>   As nospam wrote, clicking on the news URL should work.
>>
>> It doesn't here.
>>
>> Right click offers to open in browser, then a dialog ask to say what
>> application to open it with (choose other application). And it does not
>> suggest any by default, just the entire disk tree.
> 
> normal click, not contextual click, and the problem appears to be
> thunderbird.

Yes, but the point is that not every NNTP client supports locating
"news://..." URLS. And it is demonstrated.

-- 
Cheers, Carlos.

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#57696 — Re: [OT] How to use a 'news:' URL

In article <dp6dcf-efo.ln1@Telcontar.valinor>, Carlos E.R.
<robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

> >>>   As nospam wrote, clicking on the news URL should work.
> >>
> >> It doesn't here.
> >>
> >> Right click offers to open in browser, then a dialog ask to say what
> >> application to open it with (choose other application). And it does not
> >> suggest any by default, just the entire disk tree.
> > 
> > normal click, not contextual click, and the problem appears to be
> > thunderbird.
> 
> Yes, but the point is that not every NNTP client supports locating
> "news://..." URLS. And it is demonstrated.

that just means you're using a broken news client. replace it with a
better one.

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#57718 — Re: [OT] How to use a 'news:' URL

On 20/11/2018 15.04, nospam wrote:
> In article <dp6dcf-efo.ln1@Telcontar.valinor>, Carlos E.R.
> <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
> 
>>>>>   As nospam wrote, clicking on the news URL should work.
>>>>
>>>> It doesn't here.
>>>>
>>>> Right click offers to open in browser, then a dialog ask to say what
>>>> application to open it with (choose other application). And it does not
>>>> suggest any by default, just the entire disk tree.
>>>
>>> normal click, not contextual click, and the problem appears to be
>>> thunderbird.
>>
>> Yes, but the point is that not every NNTP client supports locating
>> "news://..." URLS. And it is demonstrated.
> 
> that just means you're using a broken news client. replace it with a
> better one.

That's your opinion. Better one? Such as...? On Linux, remember.

-- 
Cheers, Carlos.

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#57721 — Re: [OT] How to use a 'news:' URL

Carlos E.R. wrote:
> On 20/11/2018 15.04, nospam wrote:
>> In article <dp6dcf-efo.ln1@Telcontar.valinor>, Carlos E.R.
>> <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>>>>>   As nospam wrote, clicking on the news URL should work.
>>>>> It doesn't here.
>>>>>
>>>>> Right click offers to open in browser, then a dialog ask to say what
>>>>> application to open it with (choose other application). And it does not
>>>>> suggest any by default, just the entire disk tree.
>>>> normal click, not contextual click, and the problem appears to be
>>>> thunderbird.
>>> Yes, but the point is that not every NNTP client supports locating
>>> "news://..." URLS. And it is demonstrated.
>> that just means you're using a broken news client. replace it with a
>> better one.
> 
> That's your opinion. Better one? Such as...? On Linux, remember.
> 

I did some experiments on a modern copy of Firefox and Thunderbird.

In Firefox, I tried "news://12345678abcdef". A MID URI.

I see the network LED flash a tiny bit (only a few flashes).

Then Thunderbird pops to the front. And it stops.

If I were to enter "news://nntp.aioe.org" then Thunderbird
can pop to the front, and maybe a new account entry ends up
added to Thunderbird. This isn't a MID based search, so a
separate code path is being followed.

OK, in the first case, in Thunderbird, if I use the
Config Editor (otherwise known as about:config if I was
in Firefox), I see one entry in there for "messageid".

The string stored in the entry, is a groups google com search.

    http://groups.google.com/blahblah%mid

It would seem that Thunderbird is not "arranged by MID" internally.
If you look at various search options within Thunderbird, the MID
is never an option in the searches. This is also why you end up reading
messages cross-posted to three groups, three times. Reading a message
with a particular MID, doesn't remove it from all groups it is crossposted to.

Thunderbird, when there's a handoff using news://URI in Firefox,
seems to be calling groups.google.com to look up a MID. Rather
than handle the MID with its own client-entered server details.
Since there's no MID engine, it bails and cheats by doing an HTTP
call instead.

Something is broken about that handling. It actually worked
in Seamonkey, which is a suite. But something in Thunderbird
is botching the information returned by the attempt
to access http://groups.google.com.

If you were to modify the messageid string in the Config Editor
in Thunderbird, you might get it working. I've run out of
things to try myself.

When I look in Seamonkey right now, it's set up the same way
as the Firefox/Thunderbird duo. Maybe this should be changed
to https, but it might not matter.

mailnews.messageid_browser.url    string    http://groups.google.com/search?as_umsgid=%mid

A bug report suggests the search string might have been intended to be

    http://groups.google.com/search?as_umsgid=%mid&rnum=1

and yet another thread participant said the rnum was unnecessary.

So, the steps that seem to happen:

1) Firefox realizes it doesn't have a URI handler for news://
    It knows there is a protocol binding for Thunderbird for that.
    Maybe Thunderbird is registered as the email/news handler.
2) Thunderbird examines the incoming URI.
    It successfully recognizes non-MID URIs and handles them as usual.
    (In the same broken way it always had :-) )
3) When Thunderbird sees one with a MID (no angle brackets, no quotes),
    it seems to resort to http. The LED for the NIC blinks a few times.
    A manual test of the URL above, shows it can work. A result comes back.
4) But Thunderbird doesn't seem to be doing anything with the result.
    I suspected a "popup preventer" entry in Config Editor, was preventing
    the groups.google.com web page from being presented. That's what
    would have happened in Seamonkey. My attempts to modify that, did not help.

There are two areas of experimentation:

1) Improve the messageid search command.
2) Remove whatever popup blocker prevents the gg page from displaying in TB.

As for the approach, it's kinda dumb. Not all newsgroups are
in Google Groups. The only reason the MID being used in this
thread was searchable, was because it was crossposted. A post
to only the Windows7 group, would not be held by Google. But
since the message went to three groups, the test message is
stored in groups.google.com because of some group other than
the windows7 one.

    Paul

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#57765 — Re: [OT] How to use a 'news:' URL

On 21/11/2018 15.30, Paul wrote:
> Carlos E.R. wrote:


> I did some experiments on a modern copy of Firefox and Thunderbird.
> 
> In Firefox, I tried "news://12345678abcdef". A MID URI.
> 
> I see the network LED flash a tiny bit (only a few flashes).
> 
> Then Thunderbird pops to the front. And it stops.
> 
> If I were to enter "news://nntp.aioe.org" then Thunderbird
> can pop to the front, and maybe a new account entry ends up
> added to Thunderbird. This isn't a MID based search, so a
> separate code path is being followed.
> 
> OK, in the first case, in Thunderbird, if I use the
> Config Editor (otherwise known as about:config if I was
> in Firefox), I see one entry in there for "messageid".
> 
> The string stored in the entry, is a groups google com search.
> 
>    http://groups.google.com/blahblah%mid

That link works. I concocted:

<https://groups.google.com/search?as_umsgid=%mid>

replace %mid with the actual mid, and finally I got

<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!search/messageid$3Apql56t.8k8.1@ID-201911.user.individual.net>


> It would seem that Thunderbird is not "arranged by MID" internally.
> If you look at various search options within Thunderbird, the MID
> is never an option in the searches. This is also why you end up reading
> messages cross-posted to three groups, three times. Reading a message
> with a particular MID, doesn't remove it from all groups it is
> crossposted to.

It is, in Edit/Find/search messages. You can tick "search on server" and
select "Message-ID" as a field to search on. Here it is instant, but the
server is local (leafnode). But I just tried "no search on server" and
it also was instant, thus it keeps an index.

Indeed, file
"/home/cer/.thunderbird/random.default/News/server.name/comp.mobile.android.msf
 contains the messageid I seek for:

  (123B3=66c0)(13DCC=26321)(12390=5bcdfc05)(12391
    =pql56t.8k8.1@ID-201911.user.individual.net)(12392
    =<pphbtg\$3nq\$1@news.mixmin.net> <pqiii9\$2si\$3@news.mixmin.net>)


Maybe "12391" is the message item. Humm... leafnode has it in
"/var/spool/news/comp/mobile/android/26322".



> Thunderbird, when there's a handoff using news://URI in Firefox,
> seems to be calling groups.google.com to look up a MID. Rather
> than handle the MID with its own client-entered server details.
> Since there's no MID engine, it bails and cheats by doing an HTTP
> call instead.
> 
> Something is broken about that handling. It actually worked
> in Seamonkey, which is a suite. But something in Thunderbird
> is botching the information returned by the attempt
> to access http://groups.google.com.

Maybe that page changed the format of the result and Thunderbird fails
to parse it.


> If you were to modify the messageid string in the Config Editor
> in Thunderbird, you might get it working. I've run out of
> things to try myself.
> 
> When I look in Seamonkey right now, it's set up the same way
> as the Firefox/Thunderbird duo. Maybe this should be changed
> to https, but it might not matter.
> 
> mailnews.messageid_browser.url    string   
> http://groups.google.com/search?as_umsgid=%mid
> 
> A bug report suggests the search string might have been intended to be
> 
>    http://groups.google.com/search?as_umsgid=%mid&rnum=1
> 
> and yet another thread participant said the rnum was unnecessary.
> 
> So, the steps that seem to happen:
> 
> 1) Firefox realizes it doesn't have a URI handler for news://
>    It knows there is a protocol binding for Thunderbird for that.
>    Maybe Thunderbird is registered as the email/news handler.
> 2) Thunderbird examines the incoming URI.
>    It successfully recognizes non-MID URIs and handles them as usual.
>    (In the same broken way it always had :-) )
> 3) When Thunderbird sees one with a MID (no angle brackets, no quotes),
>    it seems to resort to http. The LED for the NIC blinks a few times.
>    A manual test of the URL above, shows it can work. A result comes back.
> 4) But Thunderbird doesn't seem to be doing anything with the result.
>    I suspected a "popup preventer" entry in Config Editor, was preventing
>    the groups.google.com web page from being presented. That's what
>    would have happened in Seamonkey. My attempts to modify that, did not
> help.
> 
> There are two areas of experimentation:
> 
> 1) Improve the messageid search command.
> 2) Remove whatever popup blocker prevents the gg page from displaying in
> TB.
> 
> As for the approach, it's kinda dumb. Not all newsgroups are
> in Google Groups. The only reason the MID being used in this
> thread was searchable, was because it was crossposted. A post
> to only the Windows7 group, would not be held by Google. But
> since the message went to three groups, the test message is
> stored in groups.google.com because of some group other than
> the windows7 one.
> 
>    Paul


-- 
Cheers, Carlos.

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#57723 — Re: [OT] How to use a 'news:' URL

In article <vu4gcf-2v1.ln1@Telcontar.valinor>, Carlos E.R.
<robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

> >>>>>   As nospam wrote, clicking on the news URL should work.
> >>>>
> >>>> It doesn't here.
> >>>>
> >>>> Right click offers to open in browser, then a dialog ask to say what
> >>>> application to open it with (choose other application). And it does not
> >>>> suggest any by default, just the entire disk tree.
> >>>
> >>> normal click, not contextual click, and the problem appears to be
> >>> thunderbird.
> >>
> >> Yes, but the point is that not every NNTP client supports locating
> >> "news://..." URLS. And it is demonstrated.
> > 
> > that just means you're using a broken news client. replace it with a
> > better one.
> 
> That's your opinion.

it's not an opinion.

when something does not work, it's broken. very simple.

> Better one? Such as...? On Linux, remember.

i don't keep track of every newsreader that's available for linux (or
other platforms for that matter). try them all and see what works and
what doesn't.

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#57724 — Re: [OT] How to use a 'news:' URL

On 2018-11-21 09:41, nospam wrote:
> In article <vu4gcf-2v1.ln1@Telcontar.valinor>, Carlos E.R.
> <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
> 
>>>>>>>    As nospam wrote, clicking on the news URL should work.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It doesn't here.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Right click offers to open in browser, then a dialog ask to say what
>>>>>> application to open it with (choose other application). And it does not
>>>>>> suggest any by default, just the entire disk tree.
>>>>>
>>>>> normal click, not contextual click, and the problem appears to be
>>>>> thunderbird.
>>>>
>>>> Yes, but the point is that not every NNTP client supports locating
>>>> "news://..." URLS. And it is demonstrated.
>>>
>>> that just means you're using a broken news client. replace it with a
>>> better one.
>>
>> That's your opinion.
> 
> it's not an opinion.
> 
> when something does not work, it's broken. very simple.
> 
>> Better one? Such as...? On Linux, remember.
> 
> i don't keep track of every newsreader that's available for linux (or
> other platforms for that matter). try them all and see what works and
> what doesn't.

"Better" and similar words are ascriptive, not descriptive adjectives. 
They signal opinions. It may be a well founded opinion, but it's still 
an opinion.

"One man's meat is another man's poison."


-- 
Wolf K
kirkwood40.blogspot.com
People worry that computers will get too smart
and take over the world, but the real problem is
that they’re too stupid and they’ve already taken over
the world (Pedro Domingos)

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#57725 — Re: [OT] How to use a 'news:' URL

In article <zseJD.599349$OM2.264708@fx37.iad>, Wolf K
<wolfmac@sympatico.ca> wrote:

> >>>> Yes, but the point is that not every NNTP client supports locating
> >>>> "news://..." URLS. And it is demonstrated.
> >>>
> >>> that just means you're using a broken news client. replace it with a
> >>> better one.
> >>
> >> That's your opinion.
> > 
> > it's not an opinion.
> > 
> > when something does not work, it's broken. very simple.
> > 
> >> Better one? Such as...? On Linux, remember.
> > 
> > i don't keep track of every newsreader that's available for linux (or
> > other platforms for that matter). try them all and see what works and
> > what doesn't.
> 
> "Better" and similar words are ascriptive, not descriptive adjectives. 
> They signal opinions. It may be a well founded opinion, but it's still 
> an opinion.

except when it isn't.

something that works will always be better than something that doesn't
work.

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#57726 — Re: [OT] How to use a 'news:' URL

On 2018-11-21 10:07, nospam wrote:
> In article <zseJD.599349$OM2.264708@fx37.iad>, Wolf K
> <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> 
>>>>>> Yes, but the point is that not every NNTP client supports locating
>>>>>> "news://..." URLS. And it is demonstrated.
>>>>>
>>>>> that just means you're using a broken news client. replace it with a
>>>>> better one.
>>>>
>>>> That's your opinion.
>>>
>>> it's not an opinion.
>>>
>>> when something does not work, it's broken. very simple.
>>>
>>>> Better one? Such as...? On Linux, remember.
>>>
>>> i don't keep track of every newsreader that's available for linux (or
>>> other platforms for that matter). try them all and see what works and
>>> what doesn't.
>>
>> "Better" and similar words are ascriptive, not descriptive adjectives.
>> They signal opinions. It may be a well founded opinion, but it's still
>> an opinion.
> 
> except when it isn't.
> 
> something that works will always be better than something that doesn't
> work.
> 

a) If a program lacks a feature which I never use, it works.

b) If a program has a buggy version of a feature which I never use, it 
works.

c) Many people use obsolete or non/no-longer working objects for other 
purposes, such as interior decoration.

d) A non-working or broken example of an artefact is better than nothing 
from a museum's POV.

Etc.

-- 
Wolf K
kirkwood40.blogspot.com
People worry that computers will get too smart
and take over the world, but the real problem is
that they’re too stupid and they’ve already taken over
the world (Pedro Domingos)

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#57727 — Re: [OT] How to use a 'news:' URL

In article <ZGeJD.935094$tK2.881422@fx42.iad>, Wolf K
<wolfmac@sympatico.ca> wrote:

> >> "Better" and similar words are ascriptive, not descriptive adjectives.
> >> They signal opinions. It may be a well founded opinion, but it's still
> >> an opinion.
> > 
> > except when it isn't.
> > 
> > something that works will always be better than something that doesn't
> > work.
> 
> a) If a program lacks a feature which I never use, it works.
> 
> b) If a program has a buggy version of a feature which I never use, it 
> works.

no. it's still broken. 

it's also a feature he is actually trying to use.

> c) Many people use obsolete or non/no-longer working objects for other 
> purposes, such as interior decoration.
> 
> d) A non-working or broken example of an artefact is better than nothing 
> from a museum's POV.

this isn't about interior decoration or museum exhibits.

not even a good attempt at diversion.

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#57737 — Re: [OT] How to use a 'news:' URL

On 2018-11-21 10:25, nospam wrote:
> In article <ZGeJD.935094$tK2.881422@fx42.iad>, Wolf K
> <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> wrote:

Hey, you snipped context-providing material. Tsk, tsk, naughty!

>>>> "Better" and similar words are ascriptive, not descriptive adjectives.
>>>> They signal opinions. It may be a well founded opinion, but it's still
>>>> an opinion.
>>>
>>> except when it isn't.
>>>
>>> something that works will always be better than something that doesn't
>>> work.
>>
>> a) If a program lacks a feature which I never use, it works.
>>
>> b) If a program has a buggy version of a feature which I never use, it
>> works.
> 
> no. it's still broken.

So what? It still works as expected or desired by me.

> it's also a feature he is actually trying to use.

Yes, and in that context, your opinion may be useful. But it's still an 
opinion.

>> c) Many people use obsolete or non/no-longer working objects for other
>> purposes, such as interior decoration.
>>
>> d) A non-working or broken example of an artefact is better than nothing
>> from a museum's POV.
> 
> this isn't about interior decoration or museum exhibits.

Ah, but it is relevant to your claim something that works is "always 
better" than something that doesn't.

> not even a good attempt at diversion.

Oh, I wouldn't have bothered, but you used "always", and I was bored. 
Don't use "always" when you are expressing an opinion.

It may comfort you to know that I agree with your advice to get a 
newsreader that does what he wants.

Have good day,

-- 
Wolf K
kirkwood40.blogspot.com
People worry that computers will get too smart
and take over the world, but the real problem is
that they’re too stupid and they’ve already taken over
the world (Pedro Domingos)

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#57752 — Re: [OT] How to use a 'news:' URL

In article <schJD.497273$um3.90179@fx32.iad>, Wolf K
<wolfmac@sympatico.ca> wrote:

> 
> Hey, you snipped context-providing material. Tsk, tsk, naughty!

nope. i snipped excess text that is no longer relevant, but those who
wish to review it can *easily* do so with a single click.

> >>>> "Better" and similar words are ascriptive, not descriptive adjectives.
> >>>> They signal opinions. It may be a well founded opinion, but it's still
> >>>> an opinion.
> >>>
> >>> except when it isn't.
> >>>
> >>> something that works will always be better than something that doesn't
> >>> work.
> >>
> >> a) If a program lacks a feature which I never use, it works.
> >>
> >> b) If a program has a buggy version of a feature which I never use, it
> >> works.
> > 
> > no. it's still broken.
> 
> So what? It still works as expected or desired by me.

you aren't the final arbiter.

windows 10 1809 had a broken feature that deleted user data, which
according to microsoft, only affected 1/100th of 1% of users. 

in other words, most people did not encounter it, yet it was broken
enough to be major news, forcing microsot to pull it and rerelease it
several weeks later.

> > it's also a feature he is actually trying to use.
> 
> Yes, and in that context, your opinion may be useful. But it's still an 
> opinion.

it's not an opinion. the feature is broken.

> >> c) Many people use obsolete or non/no-longer working objects for other
> >> purposes, such as interior decoration.
> >>
> >> d) A non-working or broken example of an artefact is better than nothing
> >> from a museum's POV.
> > 
> > this isn't about interior decoration or museum exhibits.
> 
> Ah, but it is relevant to your claim something that works is "always 
> better" than something that doesn't.

you're arguing just to argue.

> > not even a good attempt at diversion.
> 
> Oh, I wouldn't have bothered, but you used "always", and I was bored. 
> Don't use "always" when you are expressing an opinion.

you're deliberately taking things out of context.

> It may comfort you to know that I agree with your advice to get a 
> newsreader that does what he wants.

further proof that you're arguing just to argue.

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#57756 — Re: [OT] How to use a 'news:' URL

On 2018-11-21 15:10, nospam wrote:
> In article<schJD.497273$um3.90179@fx32.iad>, Wolf K
> <wolfmac@sympatico.ca>  wrote:
> 
>> Hey, you snipped context-providing material. Tsk, tsk, naughty!
> nope. i snipped excess text that is no longer relevant, but those who
> wish to review it can*easily*  do so with a single click.
> 
>>>>>> "Better" and similar words are ascriptive, not descriptive adjectives.
>>>>>> They signal opinions. It may be a well founded opinion, but it's still
>>>>>> an opinion.
>>>>> except when it isn't.
>>>>>
>>>>> something that works will always be better than something that doesn't
>>>>> work.
>>>> a) If a program lacks a feature which I never use, it works.
>>>>
>>>> b) If a program has a buggy version of a feature which I never use, it
>>>> works.
>>> no. it's still broken.
>> So what? It still works as expected or desired by me.
> you aren't the final arbiter.
[...]

Pointless remark. No one is "the final arbiter".

However, I am the arbiter for whatever decides I decide to use.

Have a good day,

-- 
Wolf K
kirkwood40.blogspot.com
People worry that computers will get too smart
and take over the world, but the real problem is
that they’re too stupid and they’ve already taken over
the world (Pedro Domingos)

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#57758 — Re: [OT] How to use a 'news:' URL

In article <jrjJD.599431$OM2.241462@fx37.iad>, Wolf K
<wolfmac@sympatico.ca> wrote:

> >>>> a) If a program lacks a feature which I never use, it works.
> >>>>
> >>>> b) If a program has a buggy version of a feature which I never use, it
> >>>> works.
> >>> no. it's still broken.
> >> So what? It still works as expected or desired by me.
> > you aren't the final arbiter.
> 
> Pointless remark. No one is "the final arbiter".

wrong. the manufacturer of the product decides that.

> However, I am the arbiter for whatever decides I decide to use.

for you, but not for the product itself.

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#57757 — Re: [OT] How to use a 'news:' URL

On 2018-11-21 15:10, nospam wrote:
[...]> you're arguing just to argue.[...]

Self-satire is a pleasure to observe.

Thanks.

Have a good day,


-- 
Wolf K
kirkwood40.blogspot.com
People worry that computers will get too smart
and take over the world, but the real problem is
that they’re too stupid and they’ve already taken over
the world (Pedro Domingos)

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#57760 — Re: [OT] How to use a 'news:' URL

Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> On 2018-11-21 15:10, nospam wrote:
> [...]> you're arguing just to argue.[...]
> 
> Self-satire is a pleasure to observe.

  Yup. As a famous poster once said "He's just a compulsive arguer."

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#57766 — Re: [OT] How to use a 'news:' URL

On 21/11/2018 21.10, nospam wrote:
> In article <schJD.497273$um3.90179@fx32.iad>, Wolf K
> <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> wrote:

...


>>> it's also a feature he is actually trying to use.
>>
>> Yes, and in that context, your opinion may be useful. But it's still an 
>> opinion.
> 
> it's not an opinion. the feature is broken.

Ah, finally! The feature is broken, not the entire program :-)
I can agree with that.

-- 
Cheers, Carlos.

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#57701 — Re: [OT] How to use a 'news:' URL

Yesterday, I wrote:

[Lots deleted.]

>   Now we 'only' need someone who can show us how to teach TB to do a
> direct lookup of a news URL.

  For more useless information about my further fruitless attempts to
get TB to behave, see my response to Paul.

  For (non-)easy reference, I'll give the news URL :-) of my post:

<news:pt1gia.aoc.1@ID-201911.user.individual.net>

  Or, for wimps :-),:

<http://al.howardknight.net/msgid.cgi?STYPE=msgid&A=0&MSGI=%3Cpt1gia.aoc.1@ID-201911.user.individual.net%3E>

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#57615

Frank Slootweg wrote on 11/17/2018 9:48 AM:
> 
>   You apparently missed - or don't remember - my recent (October 22)
> response to you about what I use to backup my Android devices, so here's
> the news URL of my post. And yes, it ticks all your boxes. Have fun.
> 
> <news:pql56t.8k8.1@ID-201911.user.individual.net>

Not sure how to use this link.

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#57616

In article <psptmn$epv$1@dont-email.me>, Alek <alek.trishan@gmail.com>
wrote:

> > 
> >   You apparently missed - or don't remember - my recent (October 22)
> > response to you about what I use to backup my Android devices, so here's
> > the news URL of my post. And yes, it ticks all your boxes. Have fun.
> > 
> > <news:pql56t.8k8.1@ID-201911.user.individual.net>
> 
> Not sure how to use this link.

click on it, and it will show the post.

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