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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | comp.mobile.android, alt.comp.freeware, alt.windows7.general |
| Subject | Re: [OT] How to use a 'news:' URL |
| Date | 2018-11-21 23:08 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <nk1hcf-hme.ln1@Telcontar.valinor> (permalink) |
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Cross-posted to 3 groups.
On 21/11/2018 15.30, Paul wrote:
> Carlos E.R. wrote:
> I did some experiments on a modern copy of Firefox and Thunderbird.
>
> In Firefox, I tried "news://12345678abcdef". A MID URI.
>
> I see the network LED flash a tiny bit (only a few flashes).
>
> Then Thunderbird pops to the front. And it stops.
>
> If I were to enter "news://nntp.aioe.org" then Thunderbird
> can pop to the front, and maybe a new account entry ends up
> added to Thunderbird. This isn't a MID based search, so a
> separate code path is being followed.
>
> OK, in the first case, in Thunderbird, if I use the
> Config Editor (otherwise known as about:config if I was
> in Firefox), I see one entry in there for "messageid".
>
> The string stored in the entry, is a groups google com search.
>
> http://groups.google.com/blahblah%mid
That link works. I concocted:
<https://groups.google.com/search?as_umsgid=%mid>
replace %mid with the actual mid, and finally I got
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!search/messageid$3Apql56t.8k8.1@ID-201911.user.individual.net>
> It would seem that Thunderbird is not "arranged by MID" internally.
> If you look at various search options within Thunderbird, the MID
> is never an option in the searches. This is also why you end up reading
> messages cross-posted to three groups, three times. Reading a message
> with a particular MID, doesn't remove it from all groups it is
> crossposted to.
It is, in Edit/Find/search messages. You can tick "search on server" and
select "Message-ID" as a field to search on. Here it is instant, but the
server is local (leafnode). But I just tried "no search on server" and
it also was instant, thus it keeps an index.
Indeed, file
"/home/cer/.thunderbird/random.default/News/server.name/comp.mobile.android.msf
contains the messageid I seek for:
(123B3=66c0)(13DCC=26321)(12390=5bcdfc05)(12391
=pql56t.8k8.1@ID-201911.user.individual.net)(12392
=<pphbtg\$3nq\$1@news.mixmin.net> <pqiii9\$2si\$3@news.mixmin.net>)
Maybe "12391" is the message item. Humm... leafnode has it in
"/var/spool/news/comp/mobile/android/26322".
> Thunderbird, when there's a handoff using news://URI in Firefox,
> seems to be calling groups.google.com to look up a MID. Rather
> than handle the MID with its own client-entered server details.
> Since there's no MID engine, it bails and cheats by doing an HTTP
> call instead.
>
> Something is broken about that handling. It actually worked
> in Seamonkey, which is a suite. But something in Thunderbird
> is botching the information returned by the attempt
> to access http://groups.google.com.
Maybe that page changed the format of the result and Thunderbird fails
to parse it.
> If you were to modify the messageid string in the Config Editor
> in Thunderbird, you might get it working. I've run out of
> things to try myself.
>
> When I look in Seamonkey right now, it's set up the same way
> as the Firefox/Thunderbird duo. Maybe this should be changed
> to https, but it might not matter.
>
> mailnews.messageid_browser.url string
> http://groups.google.com/search?as_umsgid=%mid
>
> A bug report suggests the search string might have been intended to be
>
> http://groups.google.com/search?as_umsgid=%mid&rnum=1
>
> and yet another thread participant said the rnum was unnecessary.
>
> So, the steps that seem to happen:
>
> 1) Firefox realizes it doesn't have a URI handler for news://
> It knows there is a protocol binding for Thunderbird for that.
> Maybe Thunderbird is registered as the email/news handler.
> 2) Thunderbird examines the incoming URI.
> It successfully recognizes non-MID URIs and handles them as usual.
> (In the same broken way it always had :-) )
> 3) When Thunderbird sees one with a MID (no angle brackets, no quotes),
> it seems to resort to http. The LED for the NIC blinks a few times.
> A manual test of the URL above, shows it can work. A result comes back.
> 4) But Thunderbird doesn't seem to be doing anything with the result.
> I suspected a "popup preventer" entry in Config Editor, was preventing
> the groups.google.com web page from being presented. That's what
> would have happened in Seamonkey. My attempts to modify that, did not
> help.
>
> There are two areas of experimentation:
>
> 1) Improve the messageid search command.
> 2) Remove whatever popup blocker prevents the gg page from displaying in
> TB.
>
> As for the approach, it's kinda dumb. Not all newsgroups are
> in Google Groups. The only reason the MID being used in this
> thread was searchable, was because it was crossposted. A post
> to only the Windows7 group, would not be held by Google. But
> since the message went to three groups, the test message is
> stored in groups.google.com because of some group other than
> the windows7 one.
>
> Paul
--
Cheers, Carlos.
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Re: [OT] How to use a 'news:' URL "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-11-21 23:08 +0100
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