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  Google calc trouble "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-29 11:53 +0200
    Re: Google calc trouble ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-06-29 10:16 +0000
      Re: Google calc trouble "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-29 12:37 +0200
        Re: Google calc trouble ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-06-29 10:53 +0000
          Re: Google calc trouble Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-06-29 12:06 +0100
            Re: Google calc trouble Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2026-06-30 07:27 +0000
            [OT] LLM-generated content in articles (was: Re: Google calc trouble) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-30 09:03 +0100
              Re: [OT] LLM-generated content in articles ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-06-30 09:20 +0000
    Re: Google calc trouble Dave Royal <dave@dave123royal.com> - 2026-06-29 12:15 +0100
    Re: Google calc trouble Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2026-06-30 08:51 +0200
      Re: Google calc trouble Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2026-06-30 07:27 +0000
        Re: Google calc trouble "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-30 11:24 +0200
          Re: Google calc trouble Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2026-06-30 17:33 +0200
            Re: Google calc trouble "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-30 19:19 +0200
              Re: Google calc trouble Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2026-07-02 12:58 +0200
                Re: Google calc trouble "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-02 13:07 +0200
          Re: Google calc trouble Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2026-06-30 19:56 +0000
            Re: Google calc trouble "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-01 12:30 +0200
              Re: Google calc trouble Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2026-07-02 12:59 +0200
      Re: Google calc trouble Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-30 08:52 +0100
        Re: Google calc trouble Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2026-06-30 17:34 +0200
      Re: Google calc trouble "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-30 11:19 +0200
        Re: Google calc trouble Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2026-06-30 17:36 +0200
          Re: Google calc trouble "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-30 19:20 +0200

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#154301 — Google calc trouble

I have been using Google Calc spread sheet for some years, to track how 
much gasoline I buy for the car, and how many kilometres it does.

Well, one day it lost me entries. It said there was some sync problem, 
maybe it had stored a local copy that did not match the cloud version. 
Now that file is impossible to open in the phone, it stalls. I could 
open it on the computer and save to a different name, but one or two 
lines are lost.

It's done it again. Can't open the file in the phone.

The file is simple, some 400 lines and a dozen of columns with two 
trivial formulas.

So I searched for an alternative. ChatGPT told me of Collabora Office, 
both in F-droid and Google play. Turns out it is not directly on 
F-droid, so google play it is.

Opened the file just fine in the computer (FFx opening session on 
Google), click download to ODS format, check the local file in Libre 
Office Calc, use the USB cable to transfer to the phone, done. Now the 
spreadsheet is a local file on the phone. Maybe I could use it via 
Google Drive. We'll see.


But the question is, have people been having problems with Google Calc 
on Android phones?


-- 
Cheers,
        Carlos E.R.
        ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;

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#154302

"Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote or quoted:
>But the question is, have people been having problems with Google Calc 
>on Android phones?

| Yes, users have reported problems with Google Sheets (often referred to
| as "Calc" in some contexts, but specifically the Google Sheets app) on
| Android phones where files stall when opening, and in some cases, data
| access issues arise.
| 
| Key Issues Reported:
| 
| Stalling/Freezing on Open   Users have reported that Google Sheets can
| freeze or stall while trying to open, particularly with large files.
| 
| File Access Issues   Users on older Android versions (e.g., Android
| 9/S8) have reported being unable to open any sheets at all, sometimes
| experiencing this after attempting to toggle offline access.
| 
| Data Concerns/Lag   While data loss is less common, the inability to
| open files (as in the cases mentioned above) creates the perception of
| data loss or unavailability.
| 
| Troubleshooting Steps Recommended by Users:
| 
| Clear Cache/Cookies   Clearing the app’s cache and data can sometimes
| fix loading issues.
| 
| Duplicate the File   If one sheet is failing, creating a copy of it
| may allow it to open properly.
| 
| Check Offline Settings   If a file was previously set to "available
| offline," toggling this off and on, or ensuring you have a stable
| connection, can help.
| 
| Reinstall the App   Uninstalling and reinstalling the Google Sheets
| app has worked for some, though it may not solve the issue
| permanently.

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#154303

On 2026-06-29 12:16, Stefan Ram wrote:
> "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote or quoted:
>> But the question is, have people been having problems with Google Calc
>> on Android phones?
> 
> | Yes, users have reported problems with Google Sheets (often referred to
> | as "Calc" in some contexts, but specifically the Google Sheets app) on
> | Android phones where files stall when opening, and in some cases, data
> | access issues arise.
> |
> | Key Issues Reported:

This seems an AI reply :-D

> |
> | Stalling/Freezing on Open   Users have reported that Google Sheets can
> | freeze or stall while trying to open, particularly with large files.
> |
> | File Access Issues   Users on older Android versions (e.g., Android
> | 9/S8) have reported being unable to open any sheets at all, sometimes
> | experiencing this after attempting to toggle offline access.
> |

Nah, I have version 13.

> | Data Concerns/Lag   While data loss is less common, the inability to
> | open files (as in the cases mentioned above) creates the perception of
> | data loss or unavailability.
> |
> | Troubleshooting Steps Recommended by Users:
> |
> | Clear Cache/Cookies   Clearing the app’s cache and data can sometimes
> | fix loading issues.
> |

Did that just now, and it worked.

> | Duplicate the File   If one sheet is failing, creating a copy of it
> | may allow it to open properly.

Did not work, already tried. It worked temporarily, with one line lost, 
and a week later, same trouble.

> |
> | Check Offline Settings   If a file was previously set to "available
> | offline," toggling this off and on, or ensuring you have a stable
> | connection, can help.
> |
> | Reinstall the App   Uninstalling and reinstalling the Google Sheets
> | app has worked for some, though it may not solve the issue
> | permanently.
> 
> 


-- 
Cheers,
        Carlos E.R.
        ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;

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#154304

"Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote or quoted:
>On 2026-06-29 12:16, Stefan Ram wrote:
>>| Key Issues Reported:
>This seems an AI reply :-D

  Yes, I mark chatbot replies as quoted using "|".

  Personally, I use "| " (vertical bar plus one space) for
  chatbot quotes exclusively, while I use "|" (vertical bar
  without space) for other quotations.

  ">quoted from the preceding post"

  "| quoted from a chatbot"

  "|quoted from any other source"

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#154305

Stefan Ram wrote:

>    Yes, I mark chatbot replies as quoted using "|".

I'm not sure why people think getting an answer from an LLM and pasting 
it here is a good thing?  A lot of forums seem to have someone who does 
the same thing.

If I wanted a chatGPT answer, I'd go ask it myself, sorry if that sounds 
ungrateful ...

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#154310

Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:
> Stefan Ram wrote:
> 
>> Yes, I mark chatbot replies as quoted using "|".
> 
> I'm not sure why people think getting an answer from an LLM and pasting 
> it here is a good thing?  A lot of forums seem to have someone who does 
> the same thing.
> 
> If I wanted a chatGPT answer, I'd go ask it myself, sorry if that sounds 
> ungrateful ...

It isn't ungrateful. It's the modern equivalent of LMGTFY. I don't get why
people think it's helpful...?

If I wanted an AI answer I wouldn't be posting on a human forum. 

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#154313 — [OT] LLM-generated content in articles (was: Re: Google calc trouble)

On 2026-06-29, Andy Burns wrote:

> Stefan Ram wrote:
>
>>    Yes, I mark chatbot replies as quoted using "|".
>
> I'm not sure why people think getting an answer from an LLM and
> pasting it here is a good thing?  A lot of forums seem to have someone
> who does the same thing.
>
> If I wanted a chatGPT answer, I'd go ask it myself, sorry if that
> sounds ungrateful ...

Besides mentioning that | means that somewhere in the message, perhaps
there would be a point in using some header to denote, when that's the
case, the following situations:

A) "This article includes LLM-generated content [but has
non-LLM-generated content that is not merely filler]", and

B) "This article *only* contains LLM-generated content"

(I don't mean these exact sentences, I mean a header with short values
to represent these two options.)


And, while at it, Stefan,

1) Consider fixing your copyright header to remove the misleading "All
rights reserved" that has been said to be possibly required under the
Buenos Aires convention (as all parties are now under Berne, which does
not require this), and

2) Consider not claiming copyright on LLM-generated posts.

-- 
Nuno Silva

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#154315 — Re: [OT] LLM-generated content in articles

Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> wrote or quoted:
>2) Consider not claiming copyright on LLM-generated posts.

  I also do not claim copyright for what I just quoted from you above.
  I hope people can deduce that I do not claim copyright for material I
  marked as quoted, because that header line cannot carry all details.

  I might own the copyright for a machine-generated output if I had put
  an extraordinary effort in refining my prompt across many trials and
  errors to finally get the desired output. However, if I just put in
  a trivial question like, "What's the news?", I have no copyright in
  the output.

  This was the judicial part. In reality it's rarely that binary.
  When posting a chatbot's answer, I do put in some effort:

  - reading and understanding the OP

  - deciding that this might be a good candidate for an AI prompt
    based on my experience of which prompts worked and which did 
    not work well in the past

  - deciding on which chatbot might be suited best for this question

  - judging the output and possibly refining and repeating my prompt
    until I'm satisfied, sometimes doing additional research for 
    writing the prompt

  - judging the output again and deciding whether it could possibly
    help the Usenet thread advance, so deciding whether to post it
    or throw it away

  - running my custom script to convert the Markdown from the chatbot
    to the formatting I prefer for my chatbot quotations in Usenet

  - trimming the text, removing redundant or irrelevant parts

  - Sometimes, I manually edit or reformat parts of the text with more
    or less effort.

  FWIW, here's a part of an answer in Markdown as I get it
  from the chatbot, and then the same part as I get it from
  my script with no manual edit.

  The original Markdown:

## The Legal Status of Chatbot Replies

* Public Domain: Anyone can copy, share, or reuse a raw chatbot reply without asking for permission. [5, 6] 
* No Corporate Ownership: The company that built the chatbot (like OpenAI or Google) does not own the copyright to the output either. They usually disclaim ownership in their Terms of Service and assign any potential rights to you, but they cannot grant a legal copyright that does not exist under the law. [7, 8, 9] 
* The Monkey Analogy: This follows the famous "Monkey Selfie" legal precedent. If a non-human (an animal or a machine) takes a photo or writes a text, the law states it cannot hold a copyright. [10, 11, 12, 13] 

  The unedited output of my script (even the "| " was inserted by
  my script):

| The Legal Status of Chatbot Replies
| 
| Public Domain   Anyone can copy, share, or reuse a raw chatbot reply
| without asking for permission.
| 
| No Corporate Ownership   The company that built the chatbot (like
| OpenAI or Google) does not own the copyright to the output either.
| They usually disclaim ownership in their Terms of Service and assign
| any potential rights to you, but they cannot grant a legal copyright
| that does not exist under the law.
| 
| The Monkey Analogy   This follows the famous "Monkey Selfie" legal
| precedent. If a non-human (an animal or a machine) takes a photo or
| writes a text, the law states it cannot hold a copyright.

  .

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#154306

"Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> Wrote in message:
> 
> But the question is, have people been having problems with Google Calc 
> on Android phones?
> 

So, what you should have asked is "have you personally, or anyone
 you know,  been having problems..." ;-)
-- 
Remove numerics from my email address.

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#154309

Carlos E. R., 2026-06-29 11:53:

> I have been using Google Calc spread sheet for some years, to track how 
> much gasoline I buy for the car, and how many kilometres it does.
> 
> Well, one day it lost me entries. It said there was some sync problem, 
> maybe it had stored a local copy that did not match the cloud version. 
> Now that file is impossible to open in the phone, it stalls. I could 
> open it on the computer and save to a different name, but one or two 
> lines are lost.
> 
> It's done it again. Can't open the file in the phone.

That's the reason, why we have a thing called "backup" ;-).

> The file is simple, some 400 lines and a dozen of columns with two 
> trivial formulas.
> 
> So I searched for an alternative. ChatGPT told me of Collabora Office, 
> both in F-droid and Google play. Turns out it is not directly on 
> F-droid, so google play it is.

There is also OpenOffice for Android which works quite well:

<https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.andropenoffice>

> Opened the file just fine in the computer (FFx opening session on 
> Google), click download to ODS format, check the local file in Libre 
> Office Calc, use the USB cable to transfer to the phone, done. Now the 
> spreadsheet is a local file on the phone. Maybe I could use it via 
> Google Drive. We'll see.
> 
> 
> But the question is, have people been having problems with Google Calc 
> on Android phones?

I never used Google Office products in my life, so I can't tell.


-- 
Arno Welzel
https://arnowelzel.de

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#154311

Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> wrote:
> Carlos E. R., 2026-06-29 11:53:
> 
>> I have been using Google Calc spread sheet for some years, to track how 
>> much gasoline I buy for the car, and how many kilometres it does.
>> 
>> Well, one day it lost me entries. It said there was some sync problem, 
>> maybe it had stored a local copy that did not match the cloud version. 
>> Now that file is impossible to open in the phone, it stalls. I could 
>> open it on the computer and save to a different name, but one or two 
>> lines are lost.
>> 
>> It's done it again. Can't open the file in the phone.
> 
> That's the reason, why we have a thing called "backup" ;-).

It's also a reminder that "cloud" is not synonymous with "backup". 

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#154316

On 2026-06-30 09:27, Chris wrote:
> Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> wrote:
>> Carlos E. R., 2026-06-29 11:53:
>>
>>> I have been using Google Calc spread sheet for some years, to track how
>>> much gasoline I buy for the car, and how many kilometres it does.
>>>
>>> Well, one day it lost me entries. It said there was some sync problem,
>>> maybe it had stored a local copy that did not match the cloud version.
>>> Now that file is impossible to open in the phone, it stalls. I could
>>> open it on the computer and save to a different name, but one or two
>>> lines are lost.
>>>
>>> It's done it again. Can't open the file in the phone.
>>
>> That's the reason, why we have a thing called "backup" ;-).
> 
> It's also a reminder that "cloud" is not synonymous with "backup".

How do you a backup of a calc sheet that is corrupted the instant you 
use it?

  * Open file, add a line.
  * File is corrupted, silently.
  * make a backup,
    · backup is also corrupted.

Do you do backups every 10 minutes, of the calc sheet files you edit, 
every time you save the file? On a phone, while driving?

Typically you do a backup at the end of the office day, or the week.

-- 
Cheers,
        Carlos E.R.
        ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;

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#154317

Carlos E. R., 2026-06-30 11:24:

> On 2026-06-30 09:27, Chris wrote:
>> Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> wrote:
>>> Carlos E. R., 2026-06-29 11:53:
>>>
>>>> I have been using Google Calc spread sheet for some years, to track how
>>>> much gasoline I buy for the car, and how many kilometres it does.
>>>>
>>>> Well, one day it lost me entries. It said there was some sync problem,
>>>> maybe it had stored a local copy that did not match the cloud version.
>>>> Now that file is impossible to open in the phone, it stalls. I could
>>>> open it on the computer and save to a different name, but one or two
>>>> lines are lost.
>>>>
>>>> It's done it again. Can't open the file in the phone.
>>>
>>> That's the reason, why we have a thing called "backup" ;-).
>>
>> It's also a reminder that "cloud" is not synonymous with "backup".
> 
> How do you a backup of a calc sheet that is corrupted the instant you 
> use it?

You back it up before opening it of course - and ideally in *many*
versions. My preferred solution is a Nextcloud server which holds every
version within the last 60 days and in addition I have Borg backup for
the host which goes back up to 6 months if neccessary.

> Do you do backups every 10 minutes, of the calc sheet files you edit, 
> every time you save the file? On a phone, while driving?

No, daily. At the moment I have 60 versions of every important file for
the last two months and in addition 16 versions for the 4 months before
that (one version per week).

The whole backup repository is around 406 GB - but this includes the
data of my whole family and close friends too who use my servers as well
and alse include a lot of photos and videos.


-- 
Arno Welzel
https://arnowelzel.de

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#154320

On 2026-06-30 17:33, Arno Welzel wrote:
> Carlos E. R., 2026-06-30 11:24:
> 
>> On 2026-06-30 09:27, Chris wrote:
>>> Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> wrote:
>>>> Carlos E. R., 2026-06-29 11:53:
>>>>
>>>>> I have been using Google Calc spread sheet for some years, to track how
>>>>> much gasoline I buy for the car, and how many kilometres it does.
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, one day it lost me entries. It said there was some sync problem,
>>>>> maybe it had stored a local copy that did not match the cloud version.
>>>>> Now that file is impossible to open in the phone, it stalls. I could
>>>>> open it on the computer and save to a different name, but one or two
>>>>> lines are lost.
>>>>>
>>>>> It's done it again. Can't open the file in the phone.
>>>>
>>>> That's the reason, why we have a thing called "backup" ;-).
>>>
>>> It's also a reminder that "cloud" is not synonymous with "backup".
>>
>> How do you a backup of a calc sheet that is corrupted the instant you
>> use it?
> 
> You back it up before opening it of course - and ideally in *many*
> versions. My preferred solution is a Nextcloud server which holds every
> version within the last 60 days and in addition I have Borg backup for
> the host which goes back up to 6 months if neccessary.
> 
>> Do you do backups every 10 minutes, of the calc sheet files you edit,
>> every time you save the file? On a phone, while driving?
> 
> No, daily. At the moment I have 60 versions of every important file for
> the last two months and in addition 16 versions for the 4 months before
> that (one version per week).

Daily doesn't solve the problem I have.

> 
> The whole backup repository is around 406 GB - but this includes the
> data of my whole family and close friends too who use my servers as well
> and alse include a lot of photos and videos.
> 
> 


-- 
Cheers,
        Carlos E.R.
        ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;

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#154329

Carlos E. R., 2026-06-30 19:19:

> On 2026-06-30 17:33, Arno Welzel wrote:
>> Carlos E. R., 2026-06-30 11:24:

[...]

>>> How do you a backup of a calc sheet that is corrupted the instant you
>>> use it?
>>
>> You back it up before opening it of course - and ideally in *many*
>> versions. My preferred solution is a Nextcloud server which holds every
>> version within the last 60 days and in addition I have Borg backup for
>> the host which goes back up to 6 months if neccessary.
>>
>>> Do you do backups every 10 minutes, of the calc sheet files you edit,
>>> every time you save the file? On a phone, while driving?
>>
>> No, daily. At the moment I have 60 versions of every important file for
>> the last two months and in addition 16 versions for the 4 months before
>> that (one version per week).
> 
> Daily doesn't solve the problem I have.

If the sheet does not open any longer, you can go back daily and check
which version is still useable. If *no* version is usable, then you have
chosen the wrong tool in the first place, sorry. A calc sheet program
which corrupts its own data is just broken.


-- 
Arno Welzel
https://arnowelzel.de

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#154331

On 2026-07-02 12:58, Arno Welzel wrote:
> Carlos E. R., 2026-06-30 19:19:
> 
>> On 2026-06-30 17:33, Arno Welzel wrote:
>>> Carlos E. R., 2026-06-30 11:24:
> 
> [...]
> 
>>>> How do you a backup of a calc sheet that is corrupted the instant you
>>>> use it?
>>>
>>> You back it up before opening it of course - and ideally in *many*
>>> versions. My preferred solution is a Nextcloud server which holds every
>>> version within the last 60 days and in addition I have Borg backup for
>>> the host which goes back up to 6 months if neccessary.
>>>
>>>> Do you do backups every 10 minutes, of the calc sheet files you edit,
>>>> every time you save the file? On a phone, while driving?
>>>
>>> No, daily. At the moment I have 60 versions of every important file for
>>> the last two months and in addition 16 versions for the 4 months before
>>> that (one version per week).
>>
>> Daily doesn't solve the problem I have.
> 
> If the sheet does not open any longer, you can go back daily and check
> which version is still useable. If *no* version is usable, then you have
> chosen the wrong tool in the first place, sorry. A calc sheet program
> which corrupts its own data is just broken.

Which is what I am saying from the start, and that I switched to another 
app.

-- 
Cheers,
        Carlos E.R.
        ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;

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#154322

Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
> On 2026-06-30 09:27, Chris wrote:
>> Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> wrote:
>>> Carlos E. R., 2026-06-29 11:53:
>>> 
>>>> I have been using Google Calc spread sheet for some years, to track how
>>>> much gasoline I buy for the car, and how many kilometres it does.
>>>> 
>>>> Well, one day it lost me entries. It said there was some sync problem,
>>>> maybe it had stored a local copy that did not match the cloud version.
>>>> Now that file is impossible to open in the phone, it stalls. I could
>>>> open it on the computer and save to a different name, but one or two
>>>> lines are lost.
>>>> 
>>>> It's done it again. Can't open the file in the phone.
>>> 
>>> That's the reason, why we have a thing called "backup" ;-).
>> 
>> It's also a reminder that "cloud" is not synonymous with "backup".
> 
> How do you a backup of a calc sheet that is corrupted the instant you 
> use it?

It doesn't. This tells you that the tool doesn't meet your needs. Use a
tool that works instead. 

>  * Open file, add a line.
>  * File is corrupted, silently.
>  * make a backup,
>    · backup is also corrupted.
> 
> Do you do backups every 10 minutes, of the calc sheet files you edit, 
> every time you save the file? 

Some systems save all versions of a file. 

> On a phone, while driving?

I mean, that raises questions of why are you fiddling with your phone while
driving? 

> Typically you do a backup at the end of the office day, or the week.

I do backups hourly. 

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#154327

On 2026-06-30 21:56, Chris wrote:
> Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>> On 2026-06-30 09:27, Chris wrote:
>>> Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> wrote:
>>>> Carlos E. R., 2026-06-29 11:53:
>>>>
>>>>> I have been using Google Calc spread sheet for some years, to track how
>>>>> much gasoline I buy for the car, and how many kilometres it does.
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, one day it lost me entries. It said there was some sync problem,
>>>>> maybe it had stored a local copy that did not match the cloud version.
>>>>> Now that file is impossible to open in the phone, it stalls. I could
>>>>> open it on the computer and save to a different name, but one or two
>>>>> lines are lost.
>>>>>
>>>>> It's done it again. Can't open the file in the phone.
>>>>
>>>> That's the reason, why we have a thing called "backup" ;-).
>>>
>>> It's also a reminder that "cloud" is not synonymous with "backup".
>>
>> How do you a backup of a calc sheet that is corrupted the instant you
>> use it?
> 
> It doesn't. This tells you that the tool doesn't meet your needs. Use a
> tool that works instead.

I said I did.

> 
>>   * Open file, add a line.
>>   * File is corrupted, silently.
>>   * make a backup,
>>     · backup is also corrupted.
>>
>> Do you do backups every 10 minutes, of the calc sheet files you edit,
>> every time you save the file?
> 
> Some systems save all versions of a file.
> 
>> On a phone, while driving?
> 
> I mean, that raises questions of why are you fiddling with your phone while
> driving?

Drive, stop for gas, write it down, continue driving. Yiks!

> 
>> Typically you do a backup at the end of the office day, or the week.
> 
> I do backups hourly.

And everybody can automate that trivially in an Android phone.

-- 
Cheers,
        Carlos E.R.
        ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;

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#154330

Carlos E. R., 2026-07-01 12:30:

> On 2026-06-30 21:56, Chris wrote:

[...]

>> I do backups hourly.
> 
> And everybody can automate that trivially in an Android phone.

FolderSync, Syncthing etc... and yes, they do it hourly as well if you want.


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Arno Welzel
https://arnowelzel.de

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#154312

On 2026-06-30, Arno Welzel wrote:

> Carlos E. R., 2026-06-29 11:53:
>
>> I have been using Google Calc spread sheet for some years, to track how 
>> much gasoline I buy for the car, and how many kilometres it does.
>> 
>> Well, one day it lost me entries. It said there was some sync problem, 
>> maybe it had stored a local copy that did not match the cloud version. 
>> Now that file is impossible to open in the phone, it stalls. I could 
>> open it on the computer and save to a different name, but one or two 
>> lines are lost.
>> 
>> It's done it again. Can't open the file in the phone.
>
> That's the reason, why we have a thing called "backup" ;-).
>
>> The file is simple, some 400 lines and a dozen of columns with two 
>> trivial formulas.
>> 
>> So I searched for an alternative. ChatGPT told me of Collabora Office, 
>> both in F-droid and Google play. Turns out it is not directly on 
>> F-droid, so google play it is.
>
> There is also OpenOffice for Android which works quite well:
>
> <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.andropenoffice>

"In-app purchases"? Also, seems to be under some individual's name,
instead of "Apache Software Foundation"?

-- 
Nuno Silva

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