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| Started by | micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> |
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| First post | 2025-01-02 22:55 -0500 |
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More about RCS. micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2025-01-02 22:55 -0500
Re: More about RCS. Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2025-01-03 06:58 +0100
Re: More about RCS. micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2025-01-03 08:02 -0500
Re: More about RCS. Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2025-01-03 15:25 +0100
Re: More about RCS. micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2025-01-03 09:36 -0500
Re: More about RCS. Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-01-03 15:38 +0000
Re: More about RCS. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-01-03 22:27 +0100
Re: More about RCS. Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-01-04 18:41 +0000
Re: More about RCS. Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2025-01-03 18:26 +0100
Re: More about RCS. Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-01-03 23:22 +0100
Re: More about RCS. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-01-04 02:55 +0100
Re: More about RCS. Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2025-01-04 09:02 +0100
Re: More about RCS. Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-01-04 09:59 +0000
Re: More about RCS. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-01-04 13:00 +0100
Re: More about RCS. Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2025-01-04 13:49 +0100
Re: More about RCS. micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2025-01-04 20:52 -0500
Re: More about RCS. Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-01-05 12:57 +0100
Re: More about RCS. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-01-05 15:18 +0100
Re: More about RCS. Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2025-01-05 17:26 +0100
Re: More about RCS. Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-01-05 16:31 +0000
Re: More about RCS. Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2025-01-05 17:31 +0100
Re: More about RCS. Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-01-05 18:40 +0100
Re: More about RCS. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-01-05 21:59 +0100
Re: More about RCS. Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2025-01-05 22:19 +0100
Re: More about RCS. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-01-05 22:30 +0100
Re: More about RCS. Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-01-06 16:36 +0000
Re: More about RCS. Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-07 13:42 +0000
Re: More about RCS. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-01-07 15:05 +0100
Re: More about RCS. Joe Beanfish <joebeanfish@nospam.duh> - 2025-01-03 13:46 +0000
Re: More about RCS. Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-01-03 23:25 +0100
Re: More about RCS. Dave Royal <dave@dave123royal.com> - 2025-01-04 07:52 +0000
Re: More about RCS. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-01-04 13:03 +0100
Re: More about RCS. Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2025-01-04 13:51 +0100
Re: More about RCS. Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-01-05 13:01 +0100
Re: More about RCS. Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-01-05 13:14 +0000
Re: More about RCS. Joe Beanfish <joebeanfish@nospam.duh> - 2025-01-07 13:38 +0000
Re: More about RCS. Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2025-01-08 10:28 +0100
Re: More about RCS. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-01-08 13:32 +0100
Re: More about RCS. Joe Beanfish <joebeanfish@nospam.duh> - 2025-01-08 13:53 +0000
Re: More about RCS. Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-01-08 15:40 +0000
Re: More about RCS. Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2025-01-08 17:07 +0100
Re: More about RCS. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-01-08 21:06 +0100
Re: More about RCS. Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2025-01-10 10:23 +0100
Re: More about RCS. Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-01-10 18:25 +0100
Re: More about RCS. Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-01-10 18:24 +0100
Re: More about RCS. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-01-08 21:10 +0100
Re: More about RCS. Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-01-10 18:21 +0100
Re: More about RCS. Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-01-05 13:00 +0100
Re: More about RCS. micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2025-01-04 20:45 -0500
Re: More about RCS. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-01-05 04:05 +0100
Re: More about RCS. micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2025-01-05 10:46 -0500
Re: More about RCS. Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-01-05 16:04 +0000
Re: More about RCS. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-01-05 21:45 +0100
Re: More about RCS. Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-01-05 13:03 +0100
Re: More about RCS. micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2025-07-01 08:19 -0400
Re: More about RCS. "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2025-01-04 11:00 +0100
Re: More about RCS. Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2025-01-04 12:21 +0100
Re: More about RCS. Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-01-05 13:04 +0100
Re: More about RCS. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-01-05 15:20 +0100
Re: More about RCS. Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-01-05 14:42 +0000
Re: More about RCS. "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2025-01-06 20:17 +0100
Re: More about RCS. Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2025-01-05 17:34 +0100
Re: More about RCS. Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-01-05 18:46 +0100
Re: More about RCS. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-01-05 21:48 +0100
Re: More about RCS. Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2025-01-05 22:25 +0100
Re: More about RCS. Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-01-10 18:28 +0100
Re: More about RCS. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-01-10 20:32 +0100
Re: More about RCS. Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-01-11 12:53 +0100
Re: More about RCS. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-01-11 15:32 +0100
Re: More about RCS. Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-01-12 16:37 +0100
Re: More about RCS. Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2025-01-10 22:19 +0100
Re: More about RCS. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-01-10 22:41 +0100
Re: More about RCS. Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2025-01-11 07:40 +0100
Re: More about RCS. Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-01-11 12:58 +0100
Re: More about RCS. Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-01-11 12:56 +0100
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| From | micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> |
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| Date | 2025-01-02 22:55 -0500 |
| Subject | More about RCS. |
| Message-ID | <vcmenj5cvbs3u0ir6k9upuvhat8t9vm7rc@4ax.com> |
More about RCS. First, I see that my phone now I has RCS for its text-replying. It's a Xiaomi phone using Mint Mobile for service (mint Mobile is now owned by T-mobile. RCS has this cool service. When you send a text, it shows a little circle with a check mark in it. When the other party receives the text, it shows also an overlapping little circle with a check mark. When the other party READS the text I've sent, it shows both circles in blue. HOw cool is that. In my case the two circles even show up in the table of contents page . Today, I am the contact for the snow removal company and they texted me this afternoon wanting authority to salt tomorrow. The weather report shows almost no snow tomorrow , and we've had them be over aggressive before. So I texted them back not to salt . And it shows the two circles that they received the text but seven hours later it doesn't show that they read it. It's now 10:00 PM . You can't solve this problem for me but it shows how I know we still got a problem. Maybe they are ignoring the text so they can salt anyhow . The weather report has gotten even better since 3:00 this afternoon. I will do something , but this shows the advantage of knowing whether or not your text has been read , something which i don't think RCS predecessors showed. Did they?
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| From | Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> |
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| Date | 2025-01-03 06:58 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <vl7u9o$1o6iu$1@solani.org> |
| In reply to | #146076 |
On 03.01.25 04:55, micky wrote: > More about RCS. > > First, I see that my phone now I has RCS for its text-replying. It's a > Xiaomi phone using Mint Mobile for service (mint Mobile is now owned by > T-mobile. > > RCS has this cool service. When you send a text, it shows a little > circle with a check mark in it. When the other party receives the text, > it shows also an overlapping little circle with a check mark. When the > other party READS the text I've sent, it shows both circles in blue. > > HOw cool is that. All other messengers have this functionality for years. This is minimum standard. Nothing to write home about. -- "De gustibus non est disputandum."
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| From | micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> |
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| Date | 2025-01-03 08:02 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <6snfnj5880vigl6guglovgq28nr3pl1tp4@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #146080 |
In comp.mobile.android, on Fri, 3 Jan 2025 06:58:16 +0100, Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> wrote: >On 03.01.25 04:55, micky wrote: >> More about RCS. >> >> First, I see that my phone now I has RCS for its text-replying. It's a >> Xiaomi phone using Mint Mobile for service (mint Mobile is now owned by >> T-mobile. >> >> RCS has this cool service. When you send a text, it shows a little >> circle with a check mark in it. When the other party receives the text, >> it shows also an overlapping little circle with a check mark. When the >> other party READS the text I've sent, it shows both circles in blue. >> >> HOw cool is that. > >All other messengers have this functionality for years. This is minimum >standard. Nothing to write home about. Really? I never noticed any indication that my emails had been read before I got RCS.
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| From | Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> |
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| Date | 2025-01-03 15:25 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <vl8s07$25fia$1@solani.org> |
| In reply to | #146092 |
On 03.01.25 14:02, micky wrote: > In comp.mobile.android, on Fri, 3 Jan 2025 06:58:16 +0100, Jörg Lorenz > <hugybear@gmx.net> wrote: > >> On 03.01.25 04:55, micky wrote: >>> More about RCS. >>> >>> First, I see that my phone now I has RCS for its text-replying. It's a >>> Xiaomi phone using Mint Mobile for service (mint Mobile is now owned by >>> T-mobile. >>> >>> RCS has this cool service. When you send a text, it shows a little >>> circle with a check mark in it. When the other party receives the text, >>> it shows also an overlapping little circle with a check mark. When the >>> other party READS the text I've sent, it shows both circles in blue. >>> >>> HOw cool is that. >> >> All other messengers have this functionality for years. This is minimum >> standard. Nothing to write home about. > > Really? I never noticed any indication that my emails had been read > before I got RCS. Simply because we are not discussing emails. And there it is also possible if needed. You seem not to understand the nature of RCS. -- "Roma locuta, causa finita." (Augustinus)
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| From | micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> |
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| Date | 2025-01-03 09:36 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <n8tfnjdc30kfu4c4dojqipeidreh1ff222@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #146100 |
In comp.mobile.android, on Fri, 3 Jan 2025 15:25:11 +0100, Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> wrote: >On 03.01.25 14:02, micky wrote: >> In comp.mobile.android, on Fri, 3 Jan 2025 06:58:16 +0100, Jörg Lorenz >> <hugybear@gmx.net> wrote: >> >>> On 03.01.25 04:55, micky wrote: >>>> More about RCS. >>>> >>>> First, I see that my phone now I has RCS for its text-replying. It's a >>>> Xiaomi phone using Mint Mobile for service (mint Mobile is now owned by >>>> T-mobile. >>>> >>>> RCS has this cool service. When you send a text, it shows a little >>>> circle with a check mark in it. When the other party receives the text, >>>> it shows also an overlapping little circle with a check mark. When the >>>> other party READS the text I've sent, it shows both circles in blue. >>>> >>>> HOw cool is that. >>> >>> All other messengers have this functionality for years. This is minimum >>> standard. Nothing to write home about. >> >> Really? I never noticed any indication that my emails had been read >> before I got RCS. > >Simply because we are not discussing emails. And there it is also >possible if needed. I used email in the last line when I meant to say texts. I never noticed any indication that my texts had been read before I got RCS. > >You seem not to understand the nature of RCS. As usual, you are not much help. But you are good at insults. Perhaps that makes up for it.
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| From | Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-01-03 15:38 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <vl93pk.u9g.1@ID-201911.user.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #146103 |
micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote: > In comp.mobile.android, on Fri, 3 Jan 2025 15:25:11 +0100, Jörg Lorenz > <hugybear@gmx.net> wrote: > > >On 03.01.25 14:02, micky wrote: > >> In comp.mobile.android, on Fri, 3 Jan 2025 06:58:16 +0100, Jörg Lorenz > >> <hugybear@gmx.net> wrote: > >> > >>> On 03.01.25 04:55, micky wrote: > >>>> More about RCS. > >>>> > >>>> First, I see that my phone now I has RCS for its text-replying. It's a > >>>> Xiaomi phone using Mint Mobile for service (mint Mobile is now owned by > >>>> T-mobile. > >>>> > >>>> RCS has this cool service. When you send a text, it shows a little > >>>> circle with a check mark in it. When the other party receives the text, > >>>> it shows also an overlapping little circle with a check mark. When the > >>>> other party READS the text I've sent, it shows both circles in blue. > >>>> > >>>> HOw cool is that. > >>> > >>> All other messengers have this functionality for years. This is minimum > >>> standard. Nothing to write home about. > >> > >> Really? I never noticed any indication that my emails had been read > >> before I got RCS. > > > >Simply because we are not discussing emails. And there it is also > >possible if needed. > > I used email in the last line when I meant to say texts. I never > noticed any indication that my texts had been read before I got RCS. Jörg said "other messengers", not other SMS/MMS apps. You're probably confused because - being an American - you equate "messenger", "messages", etc. with 'texting', i.e. SMS. But with "messengers", Jörg refers to IM (Instant Messsging) platforms such as WhatsApp, Signal, Telegram, etc., etc.. These platforms have had received and read indicator for many, many years. That's why we non-Americans don't get it why you Americans are still stuck in the - relative - stone age and do not even know/realize what you're missing. > >You seem not to understand the nature of RCS. > > As usual, you are not much help. But you are good at insults. Perhaps > that makes up for it. In this case, it's not an insult, but a statement of fact.
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-01-03 22:27 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <ma1m4lxd7m.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #146104 |
On 2025-01-03 16:38, Frank Slootweg wrote: > micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote: >> In comp.mobile.android, on Fri, 3 Jan 2025 15:25:11 +0100, Jörg Lorenz >> <hugybear@gmx.net> wrote: >> >>> On 03.01.25 14:02, micky wrote: >>>> In comp.mobile.android, on Fri, 3 Jan 2025 06:58:16 +0100, Jörg Lorenz >>>> <hugybear@gmx.net> wrote: >>>> >>>>> On 03.01.25 04:55, micky wrote: >>>>>> More about RCS. >>>>>> >>>>>> First, I see that my phone now I has RCS for its text-replying. It's a >>>>>> Xiaomi phone using Mint Mobile for service (mint Mobile is now owned by >>>>>> T-mobile. >>>>>> >>>>>> RCS has this cool service. When you send a text, it shows a little >>>>>> circle with a check mark in it. When the other party receives the text, >>>>>> it shows also an overlapping little circle with a check mark. When the >>>>>> other party READS the text I've sent, it shows both circles in blue. >>>>>> >>>>>> HOw cool is that. >>>>> >>>>> All other messengers have this functionality for years. This is minimum >>>>> standard. Nothing to write home about. >>>> >>>> Really? I never noticed any indication that my emails had been read >>>> before I got RCS. >>> >>> Simply because we are not discussing emails. And there it is also >>> possible if needed. >> >> I used email in the last line when I meant to say texts. I never >> noticed any indication that my texts had been read before I got RCS. > > Jörg said "other messengers", not other SMS/MMS apps. You're probably > confused because - being an American - you equate "messenger", > "messages", etc. with 'texting', i.e. SMS. > > But with "messengers", Jörg refers to IM (Instant Messsging) platforms > such as WhatsApp, Signal, Telegram, etc., etc.. > > These platforms have had received and read indicator for many, many > years. > > That's why we non-Americans don't get it why you Americans are still > stuck in the - relative - stone age and do not even know/realize what > you're missing. But we non-Americans should be aware of the fact that texting (meaning SMS) is very popular at the other side of the pond, whereas platforms like whatsapp, signal, telegram... are not. Thus for them RCS is a big improvement. And Jörg knows all this, but chose to feign ignorance. -- Cheers, Carlos.
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| From | Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-01-04 18:41 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <vlc2te.13e0.1@ID-201911.user.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #146132 |
Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote: > On 2025-01-03 16:38, Frank Slootweg wrote: [...] > > Jörg said "other messengers", not other SMS/MMS apps. You're probably > > confused because - being an American - you equate "messenger", > > "messages", etc. with 'texting', i.e. SMS. > > > > But with "messengers", Jörg refers to IM (Instant Messsging) platforms > > such as WhatsApp, Signal, Telegram, etc., etc.. > > > > These platforms have had received and read indicator for many, many > > years. > > > > That's why we non-Americans don't get it why you Americans are still > > stuck in the - relative - stone age and do not even know/realize what > > you're missing. > > But we non-Americans should be aware of the fact that texting (meaning > SMS) is very popular at the other side of the pond, whereas platforms > like whatsapp, signal, telegram... are not. Yes, I'm sure all non-Americans in this group are well aware of that. > Thus for them RCS is a big improvement. So which age comes after the stone age!? :-) > And Jörg knows all this, but chose to feign ignorance. Well, IMO, in Jörg terms, this one wasn't so bad.
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| From | Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> |
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| Date | 2025-01-03 18:26 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <vl96jl$1orn1$1@solani.org> |
| In reply to | #146103 |
On 03.01.25 15:36, micky wrote: > In comp.mobile.android, on Fri, 3 Jan 2025 15:25:11 +0100, Jörg Lorenz > <hugybear@gmx.net> wrote: > >> On 03.01.25 14:02, micky wrote: >>> In comp.mobile.android, on Fri, 3 Jan 2025 06:58:16 +0100, Jörg Lorenz >>> <hugybear@gmx.net> wrote: >>> >>>> On 03.01.25 04:55, micky wrote: >>>>> More about RCS. >>>>> >>>>> First, I see that my phone now I has RCS for its text-replying. It's a >>>>> Xiaomi phone using Mint Mobile for service (mint Mobile is now owned by >>>>> T-mobile. >>>>> >>>>> RCS has this cool service. When you send a text, it shows a little >>>>> circle with a check mark in it. When the other party receives the text, >>>>> it shows also an overlapping little circle with a check mark. When the >>>>> other party READS the text I've sent, it shows both circles in blue. >>>>> >>>>> HOw cool is that. >>>> >>>> All other messengers have this functionality for years. This is minimum >>>> standard. Nothing to write home about. >>> >>> Really? I never noticed any indication that my emails had been read >>> before I got RCS. >> >> Simply because we are not discussing emails. And there it is also >> possible if needed. > > I used email in the last line when I meant to say texts. I never > noticed any indication that my texts had been read before I got RCS. >> >> You seem not to understand the nature of RCS. > > As usual, you are not much help. But you are good at insults. Perhaps > that makes up for it. That was a simple diagnosis based on your bewildered post. -- "Gutta cavat lapidem." (Ovid)
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| From | Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> |
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| Date | 2025-01-03 23:22 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <ltr698FcivtU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #146092 |
micky, 2025-01-03 14:02: > In comp.mobile.android, on Fri, 3 Jan 2025 06:58:16 +0100, Jörg Lorenz > <hugybear@gmx.net> wrote: [...] >> All other messengers have this functionality for years. This is minimum >> standard. Nothing to write home about. > > Really? I never noticed any indication that my emails had been read > before I got RCS. "email" is not "messenger". Don't get confused with that - these are to fundamental different services. E-Mail uses long existing standard protocols like SMTP, POP3, IMAP and can be used with clients like K9 mail, Google Mail and so on. It is also a federated infrastrucutre, which means you can have a GMail account but you can also send e-mails to people at Hotmail or any other custom domain which has e-mail services enabled - because servers of the providers accept messages from other providers outside their own network. Yes, this has some limitations to avoid spam, but this is the general idea of federation. Messengers on the other hand are mostly proprietary non-federated services like WhatsApp, Signal, Telegram, Threema etc. which use servers of the respective provider (like Meta in the case of WhatsApp) and they send messages using these servers. You also can not send message from WhatsApp to Signal or Threema. If you have friends using Threema you either also need a Threema account or you have to convince your friends to join the messenger service you use yourself. -- Arno Welzel https://arnowelzel.de
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-01-04 02:55 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <e2hm4lxss3.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #146137 |
On 2025-01-03 23:22, Arno Welzel wrote: > micky, 2025-01-03 14:02: > >> In comp.mobile.android, on Fri, 3 Jan 2025 06:58:16 +0100, Jörg Lorenz >> <hugybear@gmx.net> wrote: > [...] >>> All other messengers have this functionality for years. This is minimum >>> standard. Nothing to write home about. >> >> Really? I never noticed any indication that my emails had been read >> before I got RCS. > > "email" is not "messenger". Don't get confused with that - these are to > fundamental different services. > > E-Mail uses long existing standard protocols like SMTP, POP3, IMAP and > can be used with clients like K9 mail, Google Mail and so on. It is also > a federated infrastrucutre, which means you can have a GMail account but > you can also send e-mails to people at Hotmail or any other custom > domain which has e-mail services enabled - because servers of the > providers accept messages from other providers outside their own > network. Yes, this has some limitations to avoid spam, but this is the > general idea of federation. > > Messengers on the other hand are mostly proprietary non-federated > services like WhatsApp, Signal, Telegram, Threema etc. which use servers > of the respective provider (like Meta in the case of WhatsApp) and they > send messages using these servers. You also can not send message from > WhatsApp to Signal or Threema. If you have friends using Threema you > either also need a Threema account or you have to convince your friends > to join the messenger service you use yourself. Whereas SMS is guaranteed to exist on any (mobile) phone. -- Cheers, Carlos.
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| From | Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> |
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| Date | 2025-01-04 09:02 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <vlapu6$26e7q$1@solani.org> |
| In reply to | #146156 |
On 04.01.25 02:55, Carlos E.R. wrote: > Whereas SMS is guaranteed to exist on any (mobile) phone. SMS yes. RCS no. -- "Roma locuta, causa finita." (Augustinus)
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| From | Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> |
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| Date | 2025-01-04 09:59 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <ltsf3sFimn1U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #146161 |
Jörg Lorenz wrote: > Carlos E.R. wrote: >>> Whereas SMS is guaranteed to exist on any (mobile) phone. > > SMS yes. RCS no. On new year's eve, I received for the first time an RCS message from an iPhone user (a corporate device which I have no doubt is remotely provisioned to within an inch of its life).
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-01-04 13:00 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <jgkn4lxahs.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #146161 |
On 2025-01-04 09:02, Jörg Lorenz wrote: > On 04.01.25 02:55, Carlos E.R. wrote: >> Whereas SMS is guaranteed to exist on any (mobile) phone. > > SMS yes. RCS no. Why do you think I said SMS? -- Cheers, Carlos.
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| From | Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> |
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| Date | 2025-01-04 13:49 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <vlbaoo$26ng6$1@solani.org> |
| In reply to | #146177 |
On 04.01.25 13:00, Carlos E.R. wrote: > On 2025-01-04 09:02, Jörg Lorenz wrote: >> On 04.01.25 02:55, Carlos E.R. wrote: >>> Whereas SMS is guaranteed to exist on any (mobile) phone. >> >> SMS yes. RCS no. > > Why do you think I said SMS? Why do think I wrote the post in the first place? RCS no. -- "Roma locuta, causa finita." (Augustinus)
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| From | micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> |
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| Date | 2025-01-04 20:52 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <5bpjnjl3m4p2ut47mju0fgq91vt09m8mdq@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #146182 |
In comp.mobile.android, on Sat, 4 Jan 2025 13:49:28 +0100, Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> wrote: >On 04.01.25 13:00, Carlos E.R. wrote: >> On 2025-01-04 09:02, Jörg Lorenz wrote: >>> On 04.01.25 02:55, Carlos E.R. wrote: >>>> Whereas SMS is guaranteed to exist on any (mobile) phone. >>> >>> SMS yes. RCS no. >> >> Why do you think I said SMS? > >Why do think I wrote the post in the first place? Because you are a cantankerous person, and that is by far too gentle a term. There are much, much stronger ones that apply. You show it all the time and not just with me. Surely you know that about yourself. >RCS no.
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| From | Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> |
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| Date | 2025-01-05 12:57 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <ltvadcF1tepU7@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #146156 |
Carlos E.R., 2025-01-04 02:55: > On 2025-01-03 23:22, Arno Welzel wrote: [... >> Messengers on the other hand are mostly proprietary non-federated >> services like WhatsApp, Signal, Telegram, Threema etc. which use servers >> of the respective provider (like Meta in the case of WhatsApp) and they >> send messages using these servers. You also can not send message from >> WhatsApp to Signal or Threema. If you have friends using Threema you >> either also need a Threema account or you have to convince your friends >> to join the messenger service you use yourself. > > Whereas SMS is guaranteed to exist on any (mobile) phone. Yes - but it is not guaranteed any longer to be delivered. At least in Germany I experienced it more than once that SMS from one provider to another did not get delivered to the recipient. Since providers don't earn extra money for SMS any longer, they tend not to care about interoperability any longer. -- Arno Welzel https://arnowelzel.de
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-01-05 15:18 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <6vgq4lxl1s.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #146247 |
On 2025-01-05 12:57, Arno Welzel wrote: > Carlos E.R., 2025-01-04 02:55: > >> On 2025-01-03 23:22, Arno Welzel wrote: > [... >>> Messengers on the other hand are mostly proprietary non-federated >>> services like WhatsApp, Signal, Telegram, Threema etc. which use servers >>> of the respective provider (like Meta in the case of WhatsApp) and they >>> send messages using these servers. You also can not send message from >>> WhatsApp to Signal or Threema. If you have friends using Threema you >>> either also need a Threema account or you have to convince your friends >>> to join the messenger service you use yourself. >> >> Whereas SMS is guaranteed to exist on any (mobile) phone. > > Yes - but it is not guaranteed any longer to be delivered. At least in > Germany I experienced it more than once that SMS from one provider to > another did not get delivered to the recipient. Since providers don't > earn extra money for SMS any longer, they tend not to care about > interoperability any longer. Gosh :-/ -- Cheers, Carlos.
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| From | Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> |
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| Date | 2025-01-05 17:26 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <vlebrq$28a1f$1@solani.org> |
| In reply to | #146247 |
On 05.01.25 12:57, Arno Welzel wrote: > Yes - but it is not guaranteed any longer to be delivered. It never was. Russian Roulette. RCS is even worse. -- "Roma locuta, causa finita." (Augustinus)
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| From | Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-01-05 16:31 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <vleflg.v18.1@ID-201911.user.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #146265 |
Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> wrote: > On 05.01.25 12:57, Arno Welzel wrote: > > Yes - but it is not guaranteed any longer to be delivered. > > It never was. Russian Roulette. RCS is even worse. 'Russian Roulette' with 999 of 1000 chambers *filled* instead of empty (*if* that 'bad').
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