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  Where are MMS-messages stored in Android 15 ? Jesper <Vitsky.kasperski@gmail.com> - 2024-12-13 15:13 +0100
    Re: Where are MMS-messages stored in Android 15 ? Andrew <andys@nospam.com> - 2024-12-13 14:31 +0000
    Re: Where are MMS-messages stored in Android 15 ? Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2024-12-13 14:45 +0000
      Re: Where are MMS-messages stored in Android 15 ? Jesper Kaas <jesperk@neitakk.online.no> - 2024-12-13 16:00 +0100
    Re: Where are MMS-messages stored in Android 15 ? VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2024-12-13 13:55 -0600
      Re: Where are MMS-messages stored in Android 15 ? Jesper <Vitsky.kasperski@gmail.com> - 2024-12-13 21:20 +0100
        Re: Where are MMS-messages stored in Android 15 ? VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2024-12-13 16:05 -0600
        Re: Where are MMS-messages stored in Android 15 ? Andrew <andys@nospam.com> - 2024-12-17 03:26 +0000
    Re: Where are MMS-messages stored in Android 15 ? micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2024-12-14 03:00 -0500
    Re: Where are MMS-messages stored in Android 15 ? Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2024-12-14 12:11 +0100
      Re: Where are MMS-messages stored in Android 15 ? Chris Green <cl@isbd.net> - 2024-12-14 12:08 +0000
        Re: Where are MMS-messages stored in Android 15 ? Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2024-12-14 13:43 +0100
          Re: Where are MMS-messages stored in Android 15 ? Chris Green <cl@isbd.net> - 2024-12-14 14:57 +0000
            Re: Where are MMS-messages stored in Android 15 ? Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2024-12-14 18:00 +0100
              Re: Where are MMS-messages stored in Android 15 ? Chris Green <cl@isbd.net> - 2024-12-14 19:50 +0000
                Re: Where are MMS-messages stored in Android 15 ? Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2024-12-14 22:49 +0100
                  Re: Where are MMS-messages stored in Android 15 ? Chris Green <cl@isbd.net> - 2024-12-14 22:10 +0000
      Re: Where are MMS-messages stored in Android 15 ? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-12-14 15:59 +0100
        Re: Where are MMS-messages stored in Android 15 ? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-12-14 15:50 +0000
          Re: Where are MMS-messages stored in Android 15 ? Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2024-12-15 23:33 +0100
            Re: Where are MMS-messages stored in Android 15 ? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-12-16 14:33 +0000
              Re: Where are MMS-messages stored in Android 15 ? Andrew <andys@nospam.com> - 2024-12-17 03:25 +0000
                Re: Where are MMS-messages stored in Android 15 ? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-12-17 15:11 +0100
        Re: Where are MMS-messages stored in Android 15 ? Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2024-12-15 23:32 +0100
          Re: Where are MMS-messages stored in Android 15 ? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-12-16 00:47 +0100
            Re: Where are MMS-messages stored in Android 15 ? Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2024-12-17 11:36 +0100
          Re: Where are MMS-messages stored in Android 15 ? "R.Wieser" <address@is.invalid> - 2024-12-16 10:08 +0100
            Re: Where are MMS-messages stored in Android 15 ? Jesper <Vitsky.kasperski@gmail.com> - 2024-12-16 15:21 +0100
              Re: Where are MMS-messages stored in Android 15 ? "R.Wieser" <address@is.invalid> - 2024-12-16 16:08 +0100
              Re: Where are MMS-messages stored in Android 15 ? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-12-16 15:15 +0000
                Re: Where are MMS-messages stored in Android 15 ? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-12-17 00:04 +0100
                  Re: Where are MMS-messages stored in Android 15 ? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-12-17 16:27 +0000
                    Re: Where are MMS-messages stored in Android 15 ? Andrew <andys@nospam.com> - 2024-12-18 02:18 +0000
              Re: Where are MMS-messages stored in Android 15 ? croy <croy@spam.invalid.net> - 2024-12-16 08:40 -0800
                Re: Where are MMS-messages stored in Android 15 ? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-12-16 18:50 +0000
          Re: Where are MMS-messages stored in Android 15 ? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-12-16 14:49 +0000
            Re: Where are MMS-messages stored in Android 15 ? VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2024-12-16 11:51 -0600
              Re: Where are MMS-messages stored in Android 15 ? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-12-16 18:38 +0000
                Re: Where are MMS-messages stored in Android 15 ? Jesper Kaas <jesperk@neitakk.online.no> - 2024-12-16 21:08 +0100
                  Re: Where are MMS-messages stored in Android 15 ? Andrew <andys@nospam.com> - 2024-12-17 03:37 +0000
                Re: Where are MMS-messages stored in Android 15 ? Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2024-12-17 11:41 +0100
            Re: Where are MMS-messages stored in Android 15 ? Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2024-12-17 11:38 +0100
              Re: Where are MMS-messages stored in Android 15 ? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-12-17 18:16 +0000
                Re: Where are MMS-messages stored in Android 15 ? Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2024-12-18 00:30 +0100
                  Re: Where are MMS-messages stored in Android 15 ? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-12-18 10:27 +0000
                    Re: Where are MMS-messages stored in Android 15 ? Andrew <andys@nospam.com> - 2024-12-18 19:15 +0000

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#145235

Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> wrote:
> Frank Slootweg, 2024-12-14 16:50:
> 
> > Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
> >> On 2024-12-14 12:11, Arno Welzel wrote:
> >>> Jesper, 2024-12-13 15:13:
> >>>
> >>>> I have now spent some time searching for ways to find where MMS-messages
> >>>> are stored on my OnePlus 12 mobile with Android 15. There is no end of
> >>>> suggestions on how to do this, but nothing I have tested works.
> >>>> Referring to menus or file structure not existing on my mobile.
> >>>> It can't be that difficult, can it?
> >>>
> >>> For security reasons *all* Apps store their data in their *private*
> >>> storage by default which is *not* accessible with file managers if you
> >>> don't have root access. If this would not be the case, *all* apps which
> >>> have the "read files" permission could read *all* your data, including
> >>> all your MMS, SMS, contacts and so on.
> >>>
> >>> Gaining root access usually also means you need to unlock the bootloader
> >>> of your device and install at least software like Magisk. This is often
> >>> not possible without wiping the whole device and even installing a
> >>> custom ROM.
> >>
> >> I am not sure this is fully true. I make backups from Linux via USB 
> >> cable, and I get the WhatsApp store, the photos, many things. There are 
> >> just a few directories from the system that are not readable.
> > 
> >   Indeed. The same is the case if you connect the Android device [1] via
> > a USB-cable to a Windows system. All normal folders and specifically
> > \Android\* (data, media, obb , obj) are accessible in (Windows) File
> > Explorer. Of course this isn't a scurity/privacy issue, because you need
> > physical access to the device and the device must be unlocked.
> 
> And "normal folders" are *not* private app storage folders. For example
> you can *not* read the contact database this way.

  True, you probably need 'adb pull' to access those. Anyway, as has
been said, things like contacts, (SMS/MMS) messages, etc. are the easy
bit, because there are lots of apps wich can can backup/export those.
The critical/difficult ones are the app-private folders and - as said - a
USB connection can access those.

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#145301

Frank Slootweg wrote on 16 Dec 2024 14:33:06 GMT :

>> And "normal folders" are *not* private app storage folders. For example
>> you can *not* read the contact database this way.
> 
>   True, you probably need 'adb pull' to access those. Anyway, as has
> been said, things like contacts, (SMS/MMS) messages, etc. are the easy
> bit, because there are lots of apps wich can can backup/export those.
> The critical/difficult ones are the app-private folders and - as said - a
> USB connection can access those.

Unrooted... 

Frank is completely correct that Windows adb (& Android WebDAV servers)
allow my Windows PC almost complete read-only access to many of the Android
"system" files & folders over USB cable (which are not available otherwise)
 <https://i.postimg.cc/Zngy0SGT/filesys03.jpg>

As Frank noted, these folders that are accessible to Windows adb (& to
WebDav servers) are NOT generally accessible to Android file managers.

Specifically for the one-and-only Android contacts sqlite database, in the
past I had tried to access the contacts folders with adb and, as I recall,
I failed - but if it's possible - I'd love to know how it can be done!

Why is it that any app can access the default Android contacts sqlite
database & the default Android SMS/MMS sqlite database, but I can't access
it?
 <https://xdaforums.com/t/why-is-it-that-any-app-can-access-the-default-android-contacts-sqlite-database-the-default-android-sms-mms-sqlite-database-but-i-cant-access-it.4679128/>

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#145317

On 2024-12-17 04:25, Andrew wrote:
> Why is it that any app can access the default Android contacts sqlite
> database & the default Android SMS/MMS sqlite database, but I can't access
> it?

Probably because they are using an API, not trying to open the sqlite 
files themselves.

-- 
Cheers, Carlos.

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#145223

Carlos E.R., 2024-12-14 15:59:

> On 2024-12-14 12:11, Arno Welzel wrote:
>> Jesper, 2024-12-13 15:13:
>>
>>> I have now spent some time searching for ways to find where MMS-messages
>>> are stored on my OnePlus 12 mobile with Android 15. There is no end of
>>> suggestions on how to do this, but nothing I have tested works.
>>> Referring to menus or file structure not existing on my mobile.
>>> It can't be that difficult, can it?
>>
>> For security reasons *all* Apps store their data in their *private*
>> storage by default which is *not* accessible with file managers if you
>> don't have root access. If this would not be the case, *all* apps which
>> have the "read files" permission could read *all* your data, including
>> all your MMS, SMS, contacts and so on.
>>
>> Gaining root access usually also means you need to unlock the bootloader
>> of your device and install at least software like Magisk. This is often
>> not possible without wiping the whole device and even installing a
>> custom ROM.
>>
>>
> 
> I am not sure this is fully true. I make backups from Linux via USB 
> cable, and I get the WhatsApp store, the photos, many things. There are 
> just a few directories from the system that are not readable.

Yes - that's a *backup*. But *backup* is not "access files with a file
manager on the device" and not all apps allow to backup their data.


-- 
Arno Welzel
https://arnowelzel.de

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#145227

On 2024-12-15 23:32, Arno Welzel wrote:
> Carlos E.R., 2024-12-14 15:59:
> 
>> On 2024-12-14 12:11, Arno Welzel wrote:
>>> Jesper, 2024-12-13 15:13:
>>>
>>>> I have now spent some time searching for ways to find where MMS-messages
>>>> are stored on my OnePlus 12 mobile with Android 15. There is no end of
>>>> suggestions on how to do this, but nothing I have tested works.
>>>> Referring to menus or file structure not existing on my mobile.
>>>> It can't be that difficult, can it?
>>>
>>> For security reasons *all* Apps store their data in their *private*
>>> storage by default which is *not* accessible with file managers if you
>>> don't have root access. If this would not be the case, *all* apps which
>>> have the "read files" permission could read *all* your data, including
>>> all your MMS, SMS, contacts and so on.
>>>
>>> Gaining root access usually also means you need to unlock the bootloader
>>> of your device and install at least software like Magisk. This is often
>>> not possible without wiping the whole device and even installing a
>>> custom ROM.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> I am not sure this is fully true. I make backups from Linux via USB
>> cable, and I get the WhatsApp store, the photos, many things. There are
>> just a few directories from the system that are not readable.
> 
> Yes - that's a *backup*. But *backup* is not "access files with a file
> manager on the device" and not all apps allow to backup their data.

I seem to recall that filemanagers in Android need a special permission 
to be able to see "everything". Or most things, anyhow.

-- 
Cheers, Carlos.

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#145310

Carlos E.R., 2024-12-16 00:47:

> On 2024-12-15 23:32, Arno Welzel wrote:
[...]
>> Yes - that's a *backup*. But *backup* is not "access files with a file
>> manager on the device" and not all apps allow to backup their data.
> 
> I seem to recall that filemanagers in Android need a special permission 
> to be able to see "everything". Or most things, anyhow.

Yes, they need to be a "system" app provided by the manufacturer so they
can more or less act the same way as if they got root access.


-- 
Arno Welzel
https://arnowelzel.de

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#145233

Arno,

>> I am not sure this is fully true. I make backups from Linux via USB
>> cable, and I get the WhatsApp store, the photos, many things. There are
>> just a few directories from the system that are not readable.
>
> Yes - that's a *backup*. But *backup* is not "access files with a file
> manager on the device" and not all apps allow to backup their data.

Has the OP mentioned anywhere a restriction to any method for accessing that 
data ?  If not, don't complain that someone suggested a viable one you 
didn't think of.

Also, your compaint that "not all apps allow" ... well, not what the OP 
asked for is only good as a "it might not work" remark, but certainly not as 
rejection of what Carlos suggested.  And no, he wasn't suggesting that the 
OP should make a backup.  But you already knew that.

IOW, you would throw a perfectly good suggestion (solution?) away because 
you think that there "is a chance" that it would not work ?   Thats 
downright stupid.

OP:
Follow Carlos suggestion, connect your smartphone to a PC and see what its 
filebrowser* allows you to access.  :-)

* or perhaps a specialized browser for your smartphone.

Regards,
Rudy Wieser

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#145234

On 16.12.2024 10:08, R.Wieser wrote:
> Arno,
> 
>>> I am not sure this is fully true. I make backups from Linux via USB
>>> cable, and I get the WhatsApp store, the photos, many things. There are
>>> just a few directories from the system that are not readable.
>>
>> Yes - that's a *backup*. But *backup* is not "access files with a file
>> manager on the device" and not all apps allow to backup their data.
> 
> Has the OP mentioned anywhere a restriction to any method for accessing that
> data ?  If not, don't complain that someone suggested a viable one you
> didn't think of.
> 
> Also, your compaint that "not all apps allow" ... well, not what the OP
> asked for is only good as a "it might not work" remark, but certainly not as
> rejection of what Carlos suggested.  And no, he wasn't suggesting that the
> OP should make a backup.  But you already knew that.
> 
> IOW, you would throw a perfectly good suggestion (solution?) away because
> you think that there "is a chance" that it would not work ?   Thats
> downright stupid.
> 
> OP:
> Follow Carlos suggestion, connect your smartphone to a PC and see what its
> filebrowser* allows you to access.  :-)

When this Android 15 smartphone is connected to my Windows11 PC via USB, 
it does not show up in Windows Explorer at all. And no message on the 
phone about allowing access. Therefore I use an app, Cx File Explorer, 
for transfering files between Phone and PC. I have tried different 
cables: one with USB-A in one end and USB-C in the other, and one with 
USB-C in both ends.
My old Android 4 phone is visible in Windows Explorer on PC when 
connected via USB, and files can be transferred.

> 
> * or perhaps a specialized browser for your smartphone.
> 
> Regards,
> Rudy Wieser
> 
> 


-- 
Jesper

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#145237

Jesper,

> When this Android 15 smartphone is connected to my Windows11 PC via USB, 
> it does not show up in Windows Explorer at all. And no message on the 
> phone about allowing access.

It might be that you first need to allow possible access to your phone, 
after which you, on connection, get such a "are you sure" confirmation 
dialog.

IOW, look in your phones settings.

> Therefore I use an app, Cx File Explorer, for transfering files between 
> Phone and PC

An app on your phone to talk with the PC ?  That should mean that there is 
nothing wrong with the connection/cable itself.

Regards,
Rudy Wieser

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#145238

Jesper <Vitsky.kasperski@gmail.com> wrote:
[...]

> When this Android 15 smartphone is connected to my Windows11 PC via USB, 
> it does not show up in Windows Explorer at all. And no message on the 
> phone about allowing access.

  Does it not show up at all or does it not show any folders/files?
Normally, there should be an icon with a picture of a phone and the
name of the phone. Mine shows a smartphone, i.e. just a screen. and
"Frank's Galaxy A51".

  If you *do* see the icon+name, but no folders/files, that's probably
because your phone is (screen) locked. If so, just unlock the phone and
follow the prompts, if any.

>			       Therefore I use an app, Cx File Explorer, 
> for transfering files between Phone and PC. I have tried different 
> cables: one with USB-A in one end and USB-C in the other, and one with 
> USB-C in both ends.

  Use the cable which came with the phone! That cable should allow
charging and data transfer.

> My old Android 4 phone is visible in Windows Explorer on PC when 
> connected via USB, and files can be transferred.

  If the cable is the right one and not defective, it's probably a
matter of installing the right USB driver on your computer. The
website/documentation of the phone should be able to help you with that.
It may be as simple as installing the needed devices/drivers with Device
Manager. You should have a phone device under 'Portable Devices' and a
USB device under 'Universal Serial Bus Controllers' (mine is called
'SAMSUNG Mobile USB Composite Device').

  As your old Android 4 phone works, you can use that to compare which
devices should be visible in Device Manager, i.e. connect *both* phones,
unlock them and compare.

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#145293

On 2024-12-16 16:15, Frank Slootweg wrote:
>    As your old Android 4 phone works, you can use that to compare which
> devices should be visible in Device Manager, i.e. connect*both* phones,
> unlock them and compare.

No, modern phones use MTP 
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Media_Transfer_Protocol), while old 
phones actually mounted the phones similar as an USB stick.

-- 
Cheers, Carlos.

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#145322

Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
> On 2024-12-16 16:15, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> >    As your old Android 4 phone works, you can use that to compare which
> > devices should be visible in Device Manager, i.e. connect*both* phones,
> > unlock them and compare.
> 
> No, modern phones use MTP 
> (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Media_Transfer_Protocol), while old 
> phones actually mounted the phones similar as an USB stick.

  As quoted above, Jesper's phone is Android 4. My Huawei Ascend Y300
phone came with Android 4.1.1 and that already had MTP (and PTP) and -
as you mentioned - 'USB mass storage'. I bought that phone in September
2013.

  That's why I assumed Jesper can compare his old and new phone setups.

  Anyway, this is all moot, because Jesper has reported that the
'problem' with the new phone was that he hadn't looked in the drag down
the notification area. Once he did, he saw the USB connection options.

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#145372

Frank Slootweg wrote on 17 Dec 2024 16:27:13 GMT :

>   Anyway, this is all moot, because Jesper has reported that the
> 'problem' with the new phone was that he hadn't looked in the drag down
> the notification area. Once he did, he saw the USB connection options.

 <https://i.postimg.cc/JnDTWH9M/usb01.jpg> USB default settings

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#145240

On Mon, 16 Dec 2024 15:21:23 +0100, Jesper <Vitsky.kasperski@gmail.com>
wrote:

>When this Android 15 smartphone is connected to my Windows11 PC via USB, 
>it does not show up in Windows Explorer at all. And no message on the 
>phone about allowing access. Therefore I use an app, Cx File Explorer, 
>for transfering files between Phone and PC. I have tried different 
>cables: one with USB-A in one end and USB-C in the other, and one with 
>USB-C in both ends.
>My old Android 4 phone is visible in Windows Explorer on PC when 
>connected via USB, and files can be transferred.

With respect to my Moto G5 Plus (circa 2017), when I connect it to my
Windows 10 PC, I have to go to Settings on the phone and tell it that I
want to allow file transfers (I can't remember just now what the exact
wording is).  Then, on the PC, I have to tell Explorer to "Refresh", and
then the phone shows up.  Explorer acts a little odd, when a device like a
phone or eReader is plugged in, in that when I click on the phone, any
other directory that was open, immediately collapses, and if I go back to
that directory, the phone directory collapses--weird.  It took me qhhuite a
while to figure all this out, when I was recently given this phone (my
first cell phone).  Anroid phones are incrdible devices, but for this old
DOS/Windows guy, the Android file system is still a mystery.

-- 
croy

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#145248

croy <croy@spam.invalid.net> wrote:
[...]

> With respect to my Moto G5 Plus (circa 2017), when I connect it to my
> Windows 10 PC, I have to go to Settings on the phone and tell it that I
> want to allow file transfers (I can't remember just now what the exact
> wording is).  Then, on the PC, I have to tell Explorer to "Refresh", and
> then the phone shows up. ...

  Good point (for Jesper)!

  When you connect the phone, drag down the notification area from the
top of your screen. There you should see a notification mentioning
'USB'. Tap the down arrow. It should be set to 'USB for file transfer'.
If not, tap on 'Tap  for other USB options' and correct the setting. Do
*not* use the 'Transferring images' setting. With 'USB for file
transfer' you can transfer images *and* other files. With 'Transferring
images' you can only transfer images and probably not from/to all
places.

[...]

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#145236

Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> wrote:
> Carlos E.R., 2024-12-14 15:59:
> 
> > On 2024-12-14 12:11, Arno Welzel wrote:
> >> Jesper, 2024-12-13 15:13:
> >>
> >>> I have now spent some time searching for ways to find where MMS-messages
> >>> are stored on my OnePlus 12 mobile with Android 15. There is no end of
> >>> suggestions on how to do this, but nothing I have tested works.
> >>> Referring to menus or file structure not existing on my mobile.
> >>> It can't be that difficult, can it?
> >>
> >> For security reasons *all* Apps store their data in their *private*
> >> storage by default which is *not* accessible with file managers if you
> >> don't have root access. If this would not be the case, *all* apps which
> >> have the "read files" permission could read *all* your data, including
> >> all your MMS, SMS, contacts and so on.
> >>
> >> Gaining root access usually also means you need to unlock the bootloader
> >> of your device and install at least software like Magisk. This is often
> >> not possible without wiping the whole device and even installing a
> >> custom ROM.
> > 
> > I am not sure this is fully true. I make backups from Linux via USB 
> > cable, and I get the WhatsApp store, the photos, many things. There are 
> > just a few directories from the system that are not readable.
> 
> Yes - that's a *backup*. But *backup* is not "access files with a file
> manager on the device" and not all apps allow to backup their data.

  As Rudy mentioned, I don't think the OP (Jesper) said that the
information/file(s) should be accessible by a file manager *on the
(Android) device*. That's your restriction, not his.

  Most, if not all, posters here have a computer. Jesper posted with
Mozilla Thunderbird, so he has a Windows or Linux (or mac?) computer
which he can use with a USB connection to his phone.

  As to "not all apps allow to backup their data.": With the USB
connection, one can backup all app-private folders and files, so one
*can* backup the data of all apps. Unless there's some other kind of
restriction you're not divulging.

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#145245

Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:

> As Rudy mentioned, I don't think the OP (Jesper) said that the
> information/file(s) should be accessible by a file manager *on the
> (Android) device*. That's your restriction, not his. 
> 
> Most, if not all, posters here have a computer. Jesper posted with
> Mozilla Thunderbird, so he has a Windows or Linux (or mac?) computer
> which he can use with a USB connection to his phone. 
> 
> As to "not all apps allow to backup their data.": With the USB
> connection, one can backup all app-private folders and files, so one
> *can* backup the data of all apps. Unless there's some other kind of
> restriction you're not divulging.

And shall we delve into encrypted files?  A file may get backed up, but
that doesn't mean you can get inside it.  Also, just because you know
where is a file, and can access or copy it, doesn't mean you can
casually view it.  On Android, SMS messages are stored in an SQLite
database, so you need an SQLite viewer, editor, or extractor.  You need
to know which record to extract, and perhaps the structure of those
records.  Repetitive inspection might lead to which record and which
field.  There are SQLite apps for Android, but I haven't used any there.

All of this is now somewhat moot as of 3 days ago after Jesper noted he
managed to get at the picture inside an MMS that he wanted to share.
However, that doesn't bar wandering off onto tangents discussing the
trials and tribulations of using an over-wresting OS.

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#145247

VanguardLH <V@nguard.lh> wrote:
> Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:
> 
> > As Rudy mentioned, I don't think the OP (Jesper) said that the
> > information/file(s) should be accessible by a file manager *on the
> > (Android) device*. That's your restriction, not his. 
> > 
> > Most, if not all, posters here have a computer. Jesper posted with
> > Mozilla Thunderbird, so he has a Windows or Linux (or mac?) computer
> > which he can use with a USB connection to his phone. 
> > 
> > As to "not all apps allow to backup their data.": With the USB
> > connection, one can backup all app-private folders and files, so one
> > *can* backup the data of all apps. Unless there's some other kind of
> > restriction you're not divulging.
> 
> And shall we delve into encrypted files?  A file may get backed up, but
> that doesn't mean you can get inside it.

  Yes, put this part of the thread *is* about backup, not about getting
inside the information/file(s).

>					    Also, just because you know
> where is a file, and can access or copy it, doesn't mean you can
> casually view it.  On Android, SMS messages are stored in an SQLite
> database, so you need an SQLite viewer, editor, or extractor.  You need
> to know which record to extract, and perhaps the structure of those
> records.  Repetitive inspection might lead to which record and which
> field.  There are SQLite apps for Android, but I haven't used any there.

  As I mentioned elsewhere [1] in the (sub-)thread, both backing up and
exporting SMS/MMS messages and contacts is *not* a problem on Android.
There are umpteen apps that do that kind of thing.

> All of this is now somewhat moot as of 3 days ago after Jesper noted he
> managed to get at the picture inside an MMS that he wanted to share.
> However, that doesn't bar wandering off onto tangents discussing the
> trials and tribulations of using an over-wresting OS.

  What!? Thread drift!? On *Usenet*!? Can't be!

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#145262

On 16 Dec 2024 18:38:25 GMT, Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid>
wrote:

>VanguardLH <V@nguard.lh> wrote:
>> Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:
>> 
>> > As Rudy mentioned, I don't think the OP (Jesper) said that the
>> > information/file(s) should be accessible by a file manager *on the
>> > (Android) device*. That's your restriction, not his. 
>> > 
>> > Most, if not all, posters here have a computer. Jesper posted with
>> > Mozilla Thunderbird, so he has a Windows or Linux (or mac?) computer
>> > which he can use with a USB connection to his phone. 
>> > 
>> > As to "not all apps allow to backup their data.": With the USB
>> > connection, one can backup all app-private folders and files, so one
>> > *can* backup the data of all apps. Unless there's some other kind of
>> > restriction you're not divulging.
>> 
>> And shall we delve into encrypted files?  A file may get backed up, but
>> that doesn't mean you can get inside it.
>
>  Yes, put this part of the thread *is* about backup, not about getting
>inside the information/file(s).
>
>>					    Also, just because you know
>> where is a file, and can access or copy it, doesn't mean you can
>> casually view it.  On Android, SMS messages are stored in an SQLite
>> database, so you need an SQLite viewer, editor, or extractor.  You need
>> to know which record to extract, and perhaps the structure of those
>> records.  Repetitive inspection might lead to which record and which
>> field.  There are SQLite apps for Android, but I haven't used any there.
>
>  As I mentioned elsewhere [1] in the (sub-)thread, both backing up and
>exporting SMS/MMS messages and contacts is *not* a problem on Android.
>There are umpteen apps that do that kind of thing.
>
>> All of this is now somewhat moot as of 3 days ago after Jesper noted he
>> managed to get at the picture inside an MMS that he wanted to share.
>> However, that doesn't bar wandering off onto tangents discussing the
>> trials and tribulations of using an over-wresting OS.
>
>  What!? Thread drift!? On *Usenet*!? Can't be!
>
There are spin-offs in thread-drifting, so it sure can be a good
thing. To sum up: I was hoping to dig a picture in a MMS-message out
as a separate file, but quite early in this thread I learnt from wise
people, that most apps in Android store their data in a restricted
restricted area you can only see if the phone is rooted (or something
like that).
Then in the part about getting access to the the phones storage from
windows I learnt something: All my prior phones popped up a message
asking why to do, as soon as a USB-connection to a PC was established.
Not with this new one. It did not cross my mind to drag down to see
the information area. But drag down and there it is, asking what to
do. 
Anyway, it is easier to connect to PC via wifi and use a file explorer
on the phone.

Best regards
-- 
Jesper Kaas - jesperk@neindanke.online.no

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#145303

Jesper Kaas wrote on Mon, 16 Dec 2024 21:08:34 +0100 :

>  I was hoping to dig a picture in a MMS-message out
> as a separate file, but quite early in this thread I learnt from wise
> people, that most apps in Android store their data in a restricted
> restricted area you can only see if the phone is rooted (or something
> like that).

I want to clarify that statement above because, as I understand the
situation, originally you asked a completely *different* question than what
you found as your solution.

What you found as your solution is that every text messenger app seems to
have an option for automatically (or manually) saving incoming media to a
location on your Android file system that the file manager can access.

But what you originally asked, as I understand it, is where is the original
messaging data (including all the text messages) stored. 

Those are two completely different questions.
Therefore, the answers are completely different.

One is stored in a plaintext file out in the open for all to see.
The other is stored in an XML database only accessible to text messengers.

In summary, if all you wanted was a copy of the incoming media (not the
originals, mind you), then that is what you found was very easy to access.

Getting a hold of the original database is what is hard to do without
rooting.

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