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  Move Service to New Phone (?) croy <croy@spam.invalid.net> - 2024-09-03 14:00 -0700
    Re: Move Service to New Phone (?) Andrew <andrew@spam.net> - 2024-09-03 22:02 +0000
    Re: Move Service to New Phone (?) micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2024-09-03 20:24 -0400
      Re: Move Service to New Phone (?) Andrew <andrew@spam.net> - 2024-09-04 05:01 +0000
      Re: Move Service to New Phone (?) Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2024-09-04 07:12 +0200
        Re: Move Service to New Phone (?) micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2024-09-04 13:10 -0400
    Re: Move Service to New Phone (?) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-09-04 03:57 +0200
      Re: Move Service to New Phone (?) Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2024-09-04 07:13 +0200
        Re: Move Service to New Phone (?) Gelato <gelato@.is.invalid> - 2024-09-04 01:48 -0400
        Re: Move Service to New Phone (?) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-09-04 13:18 +0200
        Re: Move Service to New Phone (?) "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2024-09-04 22:04 +0200
          Re: Move Service to New Phone (?) The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2024-09-04 13:18 -0700
            Re: Move Service to New Phone (?) "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2024-09-09 20:39 +0200
        Re: Move Service to New Phone (?) Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2024-09-08 11:25 +0200
          Re: Move Service to New Phone (?) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-09-08 14:55 +0200
      Re: Move Service to New Phone (?) "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2024-09-04 21:57 +0200
        Re: Move Service to New Phone (?) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-09-08 14:57 +0200
          Re: Move Service to New Phone (?) AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2024-09-08 15:54 +0000
            Re: Move Service to New Phone (?) Andrew <andrew@spam.net> - 2024-09-08 17:11 +0000
              Re: Move Service to New Phone (?) AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2024-09-08 13:58 -0700
          Re: Move Service to New Phone (?) "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2024-09-09 20:29 +0200
            Re: Move Service to New Phone (?) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-09-09 21:06 +0200
    Re: Move Service to New Phone (?) VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2024-09-03 22:22 -0500
      Re: Move Service to New Phone (?) Peter <confused@nospam.net> - 2024-09-04 06:05 +0100
      Re: Move Service to New Phone (?) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-09-04 13:24 +0200
        Re: Move Service to New Phone (?) VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2024-09-04 10:42 -0500
          Re: Move Service to New Phone (?) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-09-04 19:53 +0200
            Re: Move Service to New Phone (?) Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2024-09-05 08:42 +0000
    Re: Move Service to New Phone (?) Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2024-09-04 07:08 +0200

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#143326

On Sun, 8 Sep 2024 14:57:47 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote:

> > They don't have to be...
 
> Why not? :-o
> 
> If I am moving to another phone, I absolutely want everything exactly 
> the same.

I just meant the phone will work (with the new SIM) even without those
app and data. They don't /have/ to be copied (but of course it's
something what most people will want).

-- 
s|b

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#143331

On 2024-09-09 20:29, s|b wrote:
> On Sun, 8 Sep 2024 14:57:47 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> 
>>> They don't have to be...
>   
>> Why not? :-o
>>
>> If I am moving to another phone, I absolutely want everything exactly
>> the same.
> 
> I just meant the phone will work (with the new SIM) even without those
> app and data. They don't /have/ to be copied (but of course it's
> something what most people will want).
> 

Ah, of course.

-- 
Cheers, Carlos.

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#143277

croy <croy@spam.invalid.net> wrote:

> If I get another phone of the same make and model (in this case a Moto g5
> Plus), can I just move the SIM card to the new phone and continue on?

The IMEI for the phones is different.  Some lock to the IMEI of the
phone, not to the SIM card.  Check with your cellular provider.  They
should know how they track an account.  Tell them which make and model
of phones you have, and if they are SIM card or cardless (eSIM).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Mobile_Equipment_Identity

You can go into the Android setting -> General -> About phone -> Status
to see the IMEI for each of your phones.  That is fixed to each phone,
and why it provides a means of tracking.

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#143280

VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> wrote:

>> If I get another phone of the same make and model (in this case a Moto g5
>> Plus), can I just move the SIM card to the new phone and continue on?
> 
> The IMEI for the phones is different.  Some lock to the IMEI of the
> phone, not to the SIM card.

To that point, I've popped my SIM card in a variety of phones over the last
ten years & EVERY *(network unlocked) phone worked with my mobile carrier.

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#143290

On 2024-09-04 05:22, VanguardLH wrote:
> croy <croy@spam.invalid.net> wrote:
> 
>> If I get another phone of the same make and model (in this case a Moto g5
>> Plus), can I just move the SIM card to the new phone and continue on?
> 
> The IMEI for the phones is different.  Some lock to the IMEI of the
> phone, not to the SIM card.  Check with your cellular provider.  They
> should know how they track an account.  Tell them which make and model
> of phones you have, and if they are SIM card or cardless (eSIM).

I've never noticed such a thing.

I just moved over the card (sometimes with a size change), then moved 
the data.

-- 
Cheers, Carlos.

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#143291

"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

> VanguardLH wrote:
>
>> croy <croy@spam.invalid.net> wrote:
>> 
>>> If I get another phone of the same make and model (in this case a Moto g5
>>> Plus), can I just move the SIM card to the new phone and continue on?
>> 
>> The IMEI for the phones is different.  Some lock to the IMEI of the
>> phone, not to the SIM card.  Check with your cellular provider.  They
>> should know how they track an account.  Tell them which make and model
>> of phones you have, and if they are SIM card or cardless (eSIM).
> 
> I've never noticed such a thing.
> 
> I just moved over the card (sometimes with a size change), then moved 
> the data.

Again, depends on the cellular provider.  I use an MVNO (Tracfone), and
asked them about moving the SIM card from my old phone to a new phone
that I might get later.  They said No, that I couldn't just move over
the SIM card to the new phone.  I had to buy another SIM card from them
(~$5 USD) for the new phone, and register it with them which is when
they link the new phone's IMEI with their SIM card's ID.  I remember
having to get a new SIM card from them before when I got a new phone
(now my current/old phone).  During the registration process to grant
access to their service, they ask for the IMEI of the phone in which I
use their SIM card.  They link IMEI + ICCID to my account.

Getting your cellular carrier to track your phone on your behalf
requires jumping through a lot of hoops proving you're the owner of the
phone and account, and may even require a court order.  They don't have
to jump through any loops to link IMEI to SIM ID (aka ICCID), but
they'll make you jump.  You can ask the police since the mobile carriers
will work with them, but obviously the police get involved in criminal
situations, not because you lost your phone, or it was stolen.  

https://www.airdroid.com/parent-control/how-to-track-phone-using-imei-online/

While most phones will show the IMEI somewhere under Settings -> About
phone -> SIM [Status|Card], not all will show you the SIM card's ID aka
ICCID (Integrated Circuit Identification number), a 18-22 digit number
usually printed on the SIM card.  On some phones, you can dial *#06# to
get IMEI, MEID, ICCD, MSISDN, and serial number.  On my ancient phone
(c.2016, Android 8), just the IMEI is returned.  

Because the ICCID is unique to every SIM card, mobile carriers can
simply track accounts to the ICCID, and not bother with the IMEI, yes,
you should be able to simply move the old SIM card to a new phone.  All
depends on how a mobile carrier tracks which IDs in an account to
determine if you can access their services.

https://www.infobip.com/glossary/iccid-number
https://onomondo.com/blog/iccid-number-explained/

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#143295

On 2024-09-04 17:42, VanguardLH wrote:
> "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
> 
>> VanguardLH wrote:
>>
>>> croy <croy@spam.invalid.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> If I get another phone of the same make and model (in this case a Moto g5
>>>> Plus), can I just move the SIM card to the new phone and continue on?
>>>
>>> The IMEI for the phones is different.  Some lock to the IMEI of the
>>> phone, not to the SIM card.  Check with your cellular provider.  They
>>> should know how they track an account.  Tell them which make and model
>>> of phones you have, and if they are SIM card or cardless (eSIM).
>>
>> I've never noticed such a thing.
>>
>> I just moved over the card (sometimes with a size change), then moved
>> the data.
> 
> Again, depends on the cellular provider.  I use an MVNO (Tracfone), and
> asked them about moving the SIM card from my old phone to a new phone
> that I might get later.  They said No, that I couldn't just move over
> the SIM card to the new phone.  I had to buy another SIM card from them
> (~$5 USD) for the new phone, and register it with them which is when
> they link the new phone's IMEI with their SIM card's ID.  I remember
> having to get a new SIM card from them before when I got a new phone
> (now my current/old phone).  During the registration process to grant
> access to their service, they ask for the IMEI of the phone in which I
> use their SIM card.  They link IMEI + ICCID to my account.
> 
> Getting your cellular carrier to track your phone on your behalf
> requires jumping through a lot of hoops proving you're the owner of the
> phone and account, and may even require a court order.  They don't have
> to jump through any loops to link IMEI to SIM ID (aka ICCID), but
> they'll make you jump.  You can ask the police since the mobile carriers
> will work with them, but obviously the police get involved in criminal
> situations, not because you lost your phone, or it was stolen.
> 
> https://www.airdroid.com/parent-control/how-to-track-phone-using-imei-online/
> 
> While most phones will show the IMEI somewhere under Settings -> About
> phone -> SIM [Status|Card], not all will show you the SIM card's ID aka
> ICCID (Integrated Circuit Identification number), a 18-22 digit number
> usually printed on the SIM card.  On some phones, you can dial *#06# to
> get IMEI, MEID, ICCD, MSISDN, and serial number.  On my ancient phone
> (c.2016, Android 8), just the IMEI is returned.
> 
> Because the ICCID is unique to every SIM card, mobile carriers can
> simply track accounts to the ICCID, and not bother with the IMEI, yes,
> you should be able to simply move the old SIM card to a new phone.  All
> depends on how a mobile carrier tracks which IDs in an account to
> determine if you can access their services.
> 
> https://www.infobip.com/glossary/iccid-number
> https://onomondo.com/blog/iccid-number-explained/


Maybe the regulators here impede charging money to move to another 
phone, impeding this silliness.


-- 
Cheers, Carlos.

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#143302

Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
> On 2024-09-04 17:42, VanguardLH wrote:
>> "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>> 
>>> VanguardLH wrote:
>>> 
>>>> croy <croy@spam.invalid.net> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> If I get another phone of the same make and model (in this case a Moto g5
>>>>> Plus), can I just move the SIM card to the new phone and continue on?
>>>> 
>>>> The IMEI for the phones is different.  Some lock to the IMEI of the
>>>> phone, not to the SIM card.  Check with your cellular provider.  They
>>>> should know how they track an account.  Tell them which make and model
>>>> of phones you have, and if they are SIM card or cardless (eSIM).
>>> 
>>> I've never noticed such a thing.
>>> 
>>> I just moved over the card (sometimes with a size change), then moved
>>> the data.
>> 
>> Again, depends on the cellular provider.  I use an MVNO (Tracfone), and
>> asked them about moving the SIM card from my old phone to a new phone
>> that I might get later.  They said No, that I couldn't just move over
>> the SIM card to the new phone.  I had to buy another SIM card from them
>> (~$5 USD) for the new phone, and register it with them which is when
>> they link the new phone's IMEI with their SIM card's ID.  I remember
>> having to get a new SIM card from them before when I got a new phone
>> (now my current/old phone).  During the registration process to grant
>> access to their service, they ask for the IMEI of the phone in which I
>> use their SIM card.  They link IMEI + ICCID to my account.
>> 
>> Getting your cellular carrier to track your phone on your behalf
>> requires jumping through a lot of hoops proving you're the owner of the
>> phone and account, and may even require a court order.  They don't have
>> to jump through any loops to link IMEI to SIM ID (aka ICCID), but
>> they'll make you jump.  You can ask the police since the mobile carriers
>> will work with them, but obviously the police get involved in criminal
>> situations, not because you lost your phone, or it was stolen.
>> 
>> https://www.airdroid.com/parent-control/how-to-track-phone-using-imei-online/
>> 
>> While most phones will show the IMEI somewhere under Settings -> About
>> phone -> SIM [Status|Card], not all will show you the SIM card's ID aka
>> ICCID (Integrated Circuit Identification number), a 18-22 digit number
>> usually printed on the SIM card.  On some phones, you can dial *#06# to
>> get IMEI, MEID, ICCD, MSISDN, and serial number.  On my ancient phone
>> (c.2016, Android 8), just the IMEI is returned.
>> 
>> Because the ICCID is unique to every SIM card, mobile carriers can
>> simply track accounts to the ICCID, and not bother with the IMEI, yes,
>> you should be able to simply move the old SIM card to a new phone.  All
>> depends on how a mobile carrier tracks which IDs in an account to
>> determine if you can access their services.
>> 
>> https://www.infobip.com/glossary/iccid-number
>> https://onomondo.com/blog/iccid-number-explained/
> 
> 
> Maybe the regulators here impede charging money to move to another 
> phone, impeding this silliness.

Am with you. Never had to get a new SIM card and simply moved the SIM from
one phone to the next. 

If you do need a new SIM here, it's usually free. 

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#143281

Am 03.09.24 um 23:00 schrieb croy:
> If I get another phone of the same make and model (in this case a Moto g5
> Plus), can I just move the SIM card to the new phone and continue on?
> 
Yes.

-- 
"Gutta cavat lapidem." (Ovid)

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