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  No keyboard. At all. Anywhere. "J. P. Gilliver (John)" <G6JPG-255@255soft.uk> - 2018-10-28 16:37 +0000
    Re: No keyboard. At all. Anywhere. sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2018-10-28 09:57 -0700
      Re: No keyboard. At all. Anywhere. "J. P. Gilliver (John)" <G6JPG-255@255soft.uk> - 2018-10-28 18:03 +0000
        Re: No keyboard. At all. Anywhere. sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2018-10-28 11:44 -0700
          Re: No keyboard. At all. Anywhere. micky <NONONOmisc07@bigfoot.com> - 2018-10-30 07:41 -0400
    Re: No keyboard. At all. Anywhere. Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2018-10-28 17:46 +0000
      Re: No keyboard. At all. Anywhere. "J. P. Gilliver (John)" <G6JPG-255@255soft.uk> - 2018-10-28 18:09 +0000
        Re: No keyboard. At all. Anywhere. Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2018-10-28 18:33 +0000
          Re: No keyboard. At all. Anywhere. "J. P. Gilliver (John)" <G6JPG-255@255soft.uk> - 2018-10-28 18:44 +0000
            Re: No keyboard. At all. Anywhere. Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> - 2018-10-28 19:12 +0000
              Re: No keyboard. At all. Anywhere. "J. P. Gilliver (John)" <G6JPG-255@255soft.uk> - 2018-10-28 20:48 +0000
                Re: No keyboard. At all. Anywhere. Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> - 2018-10-29 22:21 +0000
                  Re: No keyboard. At all. Anywhere. "J. P. Gilliver (John)" <G6JPG-255@255soft.uk> - 2018-10-30 01:02 +0000
                    Re: No keyboard. At all. Anywhere. Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> - 2018-10-30 12:22 +0000
                      Re: No keyboard. At all. Anywhere. "J. P. Gilliver (John)" <G6JPG-255@255soft.uk> - 2018-10-30 15:41 +0000
                        Re: No keyboard. At all. Anywhere. Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> - 2018-10-30 18:02 +0000
                          Re: No keyboard. At all. Anywhere. "J. P. Gilliver (John)" <G6JPG-255@255soft.uk> - 2018-10-30 18:37 +0000
                            Re: No keyboard. At all. Anywhere. Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2018-10-30 18:46 +0000
                              Re: No keyboard. At all. Anywhere. "J. P. Gilliver (John)" <G6JPG-255@255soft.uk> - 2018-10-30 19:00 +0000
                                Re: No keyboard. At all. Anywhere. Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2018-10-30 19:07 +0000
                                  Re: No keyboard. At all. Anywhere. "J. P. Gilliver (John)" <G6JPG-255@255soft.uk> - 2018-10-31 10:19 +0000
                                    Re: No keyboard. At all. Anywhere. Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2018-10-31 10:29 +0000
                                      Re: No keyboard. At all. Anywhere. "J. P. Gilliver (John)" <G6JPG-255@255soft.uk> - 2018-10-31 10:39 +0000
                                        Re: No keyboard. At all. Anywhere. Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2018-10-31 10:43 +0000
                                          Re: No keyboard. At all. Anywhere. "J. P. Gilliver (John)" <G6JPG-255@255soft.uk> - 2018-10-31 11:11 +0000
                                            Re: No keyboard. At all. Anywhere. Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2018-10-31 11:27 +0000
                                              Re: No keyboard. At all. Anywhere. "J. P. Gilliver (John)" <G6JPG-255@255soft.uk> - 2018-10-31 11:40 +0000
                                Re: No keyboard. At all. Anywhere. Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> - 2018-10-30 18:25 +0000
                            Re: No keyboard. At all. Anywhere. Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-10-30 19:45 +0000
                              Re: No keyboard. At all. Anywhere. 123456789 <123456@123456.com> - 2018-10-30 14:17 -0700
                                Re: No keyboard. At all. Anywhere. "J. P. Gilliver (John)" <G6JPG-255@255soft.uk> - 2018-10-31 10:36 +0000
                                  Re: No keyboard. At all. Anywhere. 123456789 <123456@123456.com> - 2018-10-31 08:42 -0700
                                    Re: No keyboard. At all. Anywhere. "J. P. Gilliver (John)" <G6JPG-255@255soft.uk> - 2018-10-31 16:55 +0000
                                      Re: No keyboard. At all. Anywhere. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-10-31 13:40 -0400
                                      Re: No keyboard. At all. Anywhere. 123456789 <123456@123456.com> - 2018-10-31 11:11 -0700
                                        Re: No keyboard. At all. Anywhere. "J. P. Gilliver (John)" <G6JPG-255@255soft.uk> - 2018-10-31 21:13 +0000
                                          Re: No keyboard. At all. Anywhere. 123456789 <12345@12345.com> - 2018-10-31 15:26 -0700
                              Re: No keyboard. At all. Anywhere. "J. P. Gilliver (John)" <G6JPG-255@255soft.uk> - 2018-10-31 10:31 +0000
                                Re: No keyboard. At all. Anywhere. Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2018-10-31 10:36 +0000
                                  Re: No keyboard. At all. Anywhere. "J. P. Gilliver (John)" <G6JPG-255@255soft.uk> - 2018-10-31 10:45 +0000
                                    Re: No keyboard. At all. Anywhere. Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2018-10-31 10:52 +0000
                                      general 'phone chat (was: Re: No keyboard. At all. Anywhere.) "J. P. Gilliver (John)" <G6JPG-255@255soft.uk> - 2018-10-31 11:14 +0000
                                  Re: No keyboard. At all. Anywhere. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-10-31 09:09 -0400
                                Re: No keyboard. At all. Anywhere. Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-10-31 19:00 +0000
                                  Re: No keyboard. At all. Anywhere. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-10-31 15:11 -0400
                                  Re: No keyboard. At all. Anywhere. "J. P. Gilliver (John)" <G6JPG-255@255soft.uk> - 2018-10-31 21:18 +0000
                        Re: No keyboard. At all. Anywhere. Joe Beanfish <joebeanfish@nospam.duh> - 2018-10-31 13:37 +0000
                          Re: No keyboard. At all. Anywhere. "J. P. Gilliver (John)" <G6JPG-255@255soft.uk> - 2018-10-31 14:49 +0000
                            Re: No keyboard. At all. Anywhere. 123456789 <123456@123456.com> - 2018-10-31 08:42 -0700
                              Re: No keyboard. At all. Anywhere. M.L. <me@privacy.invalid> - 2018-11-06 07:07 -0600
                                Re: No keyboard. At all. Anywhere. 123456789 <12345@12345.com> - 2018-11-06 10:33 -0700
                            Re: No keyboard. At all. Anywhere. Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2018-10-31 15:57 +0000
                            Re: No keyboard. At all. Anywhere. Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-10-31 18:55 +0000
                              Re: No keyboard. At all. Anywhere. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-10-31 15:11 -0400
                                Re: No keyboard. At all. Anywhere. "J. P. Gilliver (John)" <G6JPG-255@255soft.uk> - 2018-10-31 21:27 +0000
                                  Re: No keyboard. At all. Anywhere. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-10-31 17:58 -0400
                                    Re: No keyboard. At all. Anywhere. "J. P. Gilliver (John)" <G6JPG-255@255soft.uk> - 2018-10-31 22:11 +0000
                                      Re: No keyboard. At all. Anywhere. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-10-31 18:25 -0400
                                      Re: No keyboard. At all. Anywhere. Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2018-11-01 07:26 +0000
                                  Re: No keyboard. At all. Anywhere. Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2018-11-01 07:19 +0000
                              Re: No keyboard. At all. Anywhere. "J. P. Gilliver (John)" <G6JPG-255@255soft.uk> - 2018-10-31 21:21 +0000
                            Re: No keyboard. At all. Anywhere. sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2018-10-31 14:11 -0700
                              Re: No keyboard. At all. Anywhere. "J. P. Gilliver (John)" <G6JPG-255@255soft.uk> - 2018-10-31 21:32 +0000
                          Re: No keyboard. At all. Anywhere. Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2018-10-31 15:48 +0000
            Re: No keyboard. At all. Anywhere. Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2018-10-28 20:37 +0000
              Re: No keyboard. At all. Anywhere. "J. P. Gilliver (John)" <G6JPG-255@255soft.uk> - 2018-10-28 21:16 +0000
                Re: No keyboard. At all. Anywhere. Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2018-10-28 21:27 +0000
                  Re: No keyboard. At all. Anywhere. "J. P. Gilliver (John)" <G6JPG-255@255soft.uk> - 2018-10-28 22:26 +0000
                  Re: No keyboard. At all. Anywhere. sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2018-10-29 08:19 -0700
                    Re: No keyboard. At all. Anywhere. Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2018-10-29 15:43 +0000
                    Re: No keyboard. At all. Anywhere. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-10-29 12:04 -0400
                    Re: No keyboard. At all. Anywhere. "J. P. Gilliver (John)" <G6JPG-255@255soft.uk> - 2018-10-29 21:44 +0000
                      Re: No keyboard. At all. Anywhere. Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2018-10-30 07:18 +0000
        Re: No keyboard. At all. Anywhere. Mark Blain <mblain2@yahoo.com> - 2018-10-28 19:59 +0000
          Re: No keyboard. At all. Anywhere. Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2018-10-28 20:39 +0000
            Re: No keyboard. At all. Anywhere. Mark Blain <mblain2@yahoo.com> - 2018-10-29 14:04 +0000
              Re: No keyboard. At all. Anywhere. "J. P. Gilliver (John)" <G6JPG-255@255soft.uk> - 2018-10-29 21:45 +0000
    Re: No keyboard. At all. Anywhere. Joe Beanfish <joebeanfish@nospam.duh> - 2018-10-29 13:28 +0000
      Re: No keyboard. At all. Anywhere. "J. P. Gilliver (John)" <G6JPG-255@255soft.uk> - 2018-10-29 21:50 +0000
        Re: No keyboard. At all. Anywhere. Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2018-10-30 07:25 +0000
        Re: No keyboard. At all. Anywhere. Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-10-30 17:21 +0000
          Re: No keyboard. At all. Anywhere. "J. P. Gilliver (John)" <G6JPG-255@255soft.uk> - 2018-10-30 18:44 +0000
            Re: No keyboard. At all. Anywhere. Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-10-30 19:16 +0000
              Re: No keyboard. At all. Anywhere. "J. P. Gilliver (John)" <G6JPG-255@255soft.uk> - 2018-10-31 11:35 +0000
            Re: No keyboard. At all. Anywhere. Bill <Billaboard@gmail.com> - 2018-10-30 23:54 +0000
              Re: No keyboard. At all. Anywhere. "J. P. Gilliver (John)" <G6JPG-255@255soft.uk> - 2018-10-31 11:51 +0000
                Re: No keyboard. At all. Anywhere. Bill <Billaboard@gmail.com> - 2018-10-31 16:59 +0000
                  Re: No keyboard. At all. Anywhere. "J. P. Gilliver (John)" <G6JPG-255@255soft.uk> - 2018-10-31 21:37 +0000
                    Re: No keyboard. At all. Anywhere. "J. P. Gilliver (John)" <G6JPG-255@255soft.uk> - 2018-11-03 09:10 +0000
                      Re: No keyboard. At all. Anywhere. Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2018-11-03 09:21 +0000
                        Re: No keyboard. At all. Anywhere. "J. P. Gilliver (John)" <G6JPG-255@255soft.uk> - 2018-11-03 09:28 +0000
                      Re: No keyboard. At all. Anywhere. Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-11-03 15:38 +0000
                        Re: No keyboard. At all. Anywhere. Bill <Billaboard@gmail.com> - 2018-11-03 19:23 +0000
                          Re: No keyboard. At all. Anywhere. Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-11-03 20:04 +0000
                        Re: No keyboard. At all. Anywhere. "J. P. Gilliver (John)" <G6JPG-255@255soft.uk> - 2018-11-03 22:39 +0000
                          Re: No keyboard. At all. Anywhere. Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-11-04 14:31 +0000
                            Re: No keyboard. At all. Anywhere. "J. P. Gilliver (John)" <G6JPG-255@255soft.uk> - 2018-11-04 20:13 +0000
                              Re: No keyboard. At all. Anywhere. 123456789 <12345@12345.com> - 2018-11-04 14:31 -0700
                                Re: No keyboard. At all. Anywhere. The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2018-11-04 14:12 -0800
                                  Re: No keyboard. At all. Anywhere. 123456789 <12345@12345.com> - 2018-11-04 16:45 -0700
                                    Re: No keyboard. At all. Anywhere. "J. P. Gilliver (John)" <G6JPG-255@255soft.uk> - 2018-11-05 01:57 +0000
                                      Re: No keyboard. At all. Anywhere. 123456789 <12345@12345.com> - 2018-11-04 20:02 -0700
                                        Re: No keyboard. At all. Anywhere. "J. P. Gilliver (John)" <G6JPG-255@255soft.uk> - 2018-11-05 10:05 +0000
                                      Re: No keyboard. At all. Anywhere. Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2018-11-05 08:10 +0000
                                        Re: No keyboard. At all. Anywhere. "J. P. Gilliver (John)" <G6JPG-255@255soft.uk> - 2018-11-05 10:07 +0000
                                Re: No keyboard. At all. Anywhere. "J. P. Gilliver (John)" <G6JPG-255@255soft.uk> - 2018-11-05 01:53 +0000
                                  Re: No keyboard. At all. Anywhere. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-04 21:06 -0400
                                    Re: No keyboard. At all. Anywhere. "J. P. Gilliver (John)" <G6JPG-255@255soft.uk> - 2018-11-05 02:14 +0000
                              Re: No keyboard. At all. Anywhere. Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-11-05 15:57 +0000
                                Re: No keyboard. At all. Anywhere. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-05 11:04 -0400
                                  Re: No keyboard. At all. Anywhere. Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-11-05 18:11 +0000
                                    Re: No keyboard. At all. Anywhere. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-05 14:14 -0400
                                      Re: No keyboard. At all. Anywhere. "J. P. Gilliver (John)" <G6JPG-255@255soft.uk> - 2018-11-05 19:29 +0000
                                Re: No keyboard. At all. Anywhere. Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2018-11-05 16:54 +0000
                                  Re: No keyboard. At all. Anywhere. Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-11-05 18:11 +0000
                                    Re: No keyboard. At all. Anywhere. Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2018-11-05 19:14 +0000
                                      Re: No keyboard. At all. Anywhere. Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-11-05 19:23 +0000
                                Re: No keyboard. At all. Anywhere. "J. P. Gilliver (John)" <G6JPG-255@255soft.uk> - 2018-11-05 18:52 +0000

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#56955

In message <g3rog7Ff2hfU1@mid.individual.net>, Andy Burns 
<usenet@andyburns.uk> writes:
>J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
>
>> but how long before that 2-3 year old 'phone will be laughed at by 
>>most  of those here
>
>another couple of years maybe, it would run 8.0 where 9.0 is only 
>recently out.

Thanks for your honesty. I don't like buying things with that close a 
useless-by (!) date.
>
>> (a) necessitating the expenditure of yet another 100 pounds
>
>well, it's £100 every 2 years vs £500 to £1k every 3 years? But if you 
>don't need it, stick with what you've got ...

If the latter figures were meant to be for a Windows PC, then I don't 
buy those new either (-:
-- 
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

Who can refute a sneer? - Archdeacon Paley, in his book Moral Philosophy

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#56956

J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:

> Andy Burns wrote:
> 
>> £100 every 2 years vs £500 to £1k every 3 years
> 
> If the latter figures were meant to be for a Windows PC, then I don't 
> buy those new either (-:

No, that is what a flagship phone costs nowadays

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#56960

In message <g3tefnFpk1mU1@mid.individual.net>, Andy Burns 
<usenet@andyburns.uk> writes:
>J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
>
>> Andy Burns wrote:
>>
>>> £100 every 2 years vs £500 to £1k every 3 years
>>  If the latter figures were meant to be for a Windows PC, then I 
>>don't  buy those new either (-:
>
>No, that is what a flagship phone costs nowadays

What, even on Android? Wow! I expect to spend less than that a year 
keeping my _car_ going! (Excluding fuel - well, I suppose by the time 
insurance and tax are taken into account, maybe not less than that, but 
not _that_ much _more_ ...)
-- 
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

Who can refute a sneer? - Archdeacon Paley, in his book Moral Philosophy

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#56961

J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:

> Andy Burns wrote:
> 
>> that is what a flagship phone costs nowadays
> 
> What, even on Android? Wow! 

Newest Google phone £969

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#56968

In message <g3tfa2Fplh0U2@mid.individual.net>, Andy Burns 
<usenet@andyburns.uk> writes:
>J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
>
>> Andy Burns wrote:
>>
>>> that is what a flagship phone costs nowadays
>>  What, even on Android? Wow!
>
>Newest Google phone £969
>
New DooGee X50 43.99 (46.99 if you want a blue one, for some reason). 
You sure pay for the names ... OK, I'm sure that one has a much better 
camera, more storage ... but the X50 has 1G/8G, Android 8.1, quad core, 
dual SIM, unlocked, 2Ah, 5" ...

Probably rubbish - but, there again, just keeping up with what to _look_ 
for is almost a full-time thing!
-- 
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

science is not intended to be foolproof. Science is about crawling toward the
truth over time. - Scott Adams, 2015-2-2

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#56970

J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:

> X50 has 1G/8G, Android 8.1, quad core, dual SIM, unlocked, 2Ah, 5"

1/4 the RAM and FLASH I'd look for, no 4G, doubt the battery would last 
a day away from home, resolution is a bit on the low side, but at least 
it has android 8.1, do they ship firmware upgrades?

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#56973

In message <g3thskFqa6rU1@mid.individual.net>, Andy Burns 
<usenet@andyburns.uk> writes:
>J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
>
>> X50 has 1G/8G, Android 8.1, quad core, dual SIM, unlocked, 2Ah, 5"
>
>1/4 the RAM and FLASH I'd look for, no 4G, doubt the battery would last 
>a day away from home, resolution is a bit on the low side, but at least 
>it has android 8.1, do they ship firmware upgrades?

There you are - I don't know what to look for! So - for a current 
'phone, you'd look for 4G/32G, and maybe 4G (I don't think I'd be 
worried about 4G). Yes, I was surprised at how low the resolution was. 
The battery on my 300 lasted 6h40 yesterday - that's actually on; but 
you're right, not long even in standby (I'd not expect much over a day).

But then at under 40 as opposed to getting on for 600 pounds ... (-:
-- 
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

science is not intended to be foolproof. Science is about crawling toward the
truth over time. - Scott Adams, 2015-2-2

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#56938

J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
> In message <g3rn7nFeqimU1@mid.individual.net>, Andy Burns 
> <usenet@andyburns.uk> writes:
>> J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
>>
>>> At what annual cost
>>
>> You could buy a 2-3 year old phone (of a 'good' model e.g. now perhaps 
>> a Galaxy S7) keep an eye on eBay and I should think some slip by for 
>> not much over £100
>>
>> Pssst! Wanna buy a Nexus5X :-P
> 
> Yes, but how long before that 2-3 year old 'phone will be laughed at by 
> most of those here, (a) necessitating the expenditure of yet another 100 
> pounds, (b) the generation of a redundant - but still working perfectly 
> - 'phone?
> 
> My Windows PCs, in contrast, last me many years, and remain usable for 
> what I want to do with them.

Wouldn't you like to do what the young Turks do?
They walk through busy shopping centres with earphones, and talk loudly 
to themselves; so that everybody has to turn and listen.
Or they stride purposefully up and down outside a bank, with a mobile 
pressed to their ear, banging into one and all while they tell mum that 
they'll be home for tea.
Or the women with mobile phones! Sheeshh! This is the new woman, born 
with a mobile hanging from her ear, and wending her way through streets 
with a new way of walking.

Yes, it's all waiting for you if you just sign up.

Ed

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#56939

"J. P. Gilliver (John)" <G6JPG-255@255soft.uk> wrote:
> In message <pra6bf$3b5$1@dont-email.me>, Ed Cryer 
> <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> writes:
[...]

> >A good smart phone with at least 32GB local memory (plus, usually, an 
> >SD card) is almost indispensable these days.

[...]

> At what annual cost (I'm talking about the hardware), though? And what 
> do I do with the superseded 'phones (which still do what they did when I 
> bought them)?

  If you don't want/need the latest-and-greatest - especially no
expensive cameras, etc. -, the annual cost can be quite reasonable.

  For me, cost over the last five years, for two phones, excluding the
cost of two 32GB MicroSD cards, was 160 Euro. So with the cards and some
paid apps thrown in, that would be some 50 Euro per year.

  That low cost is why I tried Android - instead of iDevices - in the
first place and why I'm sticking to Android, despite its quirks.

  No way an iDevice could come even remotely close to that low cost.

  What to do with the superseded phones? Because that's becoming a
common problem (also I dislike throwing stuff away), you'll see
information/recommendations on that very subject, in the mainstream
media.

  Some examples are:

- Portable WiFi hotspot
- 'GPS' (navigation device)
- Music player
- eReader (for eBooks)
- Podcasts
- RSS reader

  For example I've turned one of my Android tablets into a audio/video
Media Center, which can stream audio/video to my sound-system and TV. I
happened to have a spare tablet, but I could have done the same with a
spare phone.

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#56943

On 10/30/2018 12:45 PM, Frank Slootweg wrote:

> "J. P. Gilliver (John)" <G6JPG-255@255soft.uk> wrote:

>> At what annual cost (I'm talking about the hardware),

Depends on your area. My local Target store sells new Android 
smartphones starting at $29 (US) and up. Course those are likely loss 
leaders and lock you to the cell provider. I bought 2 in the past on the 
sale rack for $12 and $13. I played with them as Android iPods using the 
built in WiFi. Got my money's worth in fun and eventually gave them to 
grandkids.

>   What to do with the superseded phones?
>   Some examples are:

> - Portable WiFi hotspot
> - 'GPS' (navigation device)
> - Music player
> - eReader (for eBooks)
> - Podcasts
> - RSS reader

   - Give to Grandkids... ;)

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#56959

In message <prahoh$tp4$1@gioia.aioe.org>, 123456789 <123456@123456.com> 
writes:
>On 10/30/2018 12:45 PM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
>
>> "J. P. Gilliver (John)" <G6JPG-255@255soft.uk> wrote:
>
>>> At what annual cost (I'm talking about the hardware),
>
>Depends on your area. My local Target store sells new Android 
>smartphones starting at $29 (US) and up. Course those are likely loss 
>leaders and lock you to the cell provider. I bought 2 in the past on

I wouldn't buy a locked 'phone on principle - the true price is obscured 
...

>the sale rack for $12 and $13. I played with them as Android iPods 
>using the built in WiFi. Got my money's worth in fun and eventually

... unless you're just buying them not intending to use the 'phone part 
(including data).

>gave them to grandkids.
[]
>  - Give to Grandkids... ;)
>
I don't have any of those (-:!

But also, won't the grandkids be far more tech-savvy than even their 
parents, and depending on how well they've been brought up, either smile 
sweetly and say thank you granddad/ma, or be even less complimentary (-:
-- 
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

Who can refute a sneer? - Archdeacon Paley, in his book Moral Philosophy

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#56981

On 10/31/2018 3:36 AM, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
> 123456789 <123456@123456.com writes:

>>>> At what annual cost (I'm talking about the hardware),

>> Depends on your area. My local Target store sells new Android
>> smartphones starting at $29 (US) and up. Course those are likely
>> loss leaders and lock you to the cell provider. I bought 2 in the
>> past on

> I wouldn't buy a locked 'phone on principle - the true price is
> obscured

The cell service prices are not obscured. They are listed on the Target
phone rack. You can pay by cash, prepaid card or online. The cheapest
rate I saw recently was $10/mo US. Obviously that doesn't get you much,
but it goes up from there and you can pick the service that fits your needs.

>> the sale rack for $12 and $13. I played with them as Android iPods

> ... unless you're just buying them not intending to use the 'phone
> part (including data).

That's exactly why I bought them. A very cheap iPod type toy. However
they were not obsolete and could have been connected to a cell service.

>> gave them to grandkids.

> I don't have any of those (-:!

Give them to nieces and nephews? neighbor kids? It'll make their day...

> But also, won't the grandkids be far more tech-savvy than even their
> parents

My wife is on the iStuff side of the family. When she needs help she
obviously goes to the grandkids.  (Doesn't everyone... ;)

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#56985

In message <prcigt$3nm$2@gioia.aioe.org>, 123456789 <123456@123456.com> 
writes:
>On 10/31/2018 3:36 AM, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
>> 123456789 <123456@123456.com writes:
>
>>>>> At what annual cost (I'm talking about the hardware),
>
>>> Depends on your area. My local Target store sells new Android
>>> smartphones starting at $29 (US) and up. Course those are likely
>>> loss leaders and lock you to the cell provider. I bought 2 in the
>>> past on
>
>> I wouldn't buy a locked 'phone on principle - the true price is
>> obscured
>
>The cell service prices are not obscured. They are listed on the Target
[]
No, the price of the _'phone_ is obscured. You think you're getting it 
at x, but can only _use_ it - as a 'phone, anyway - on network y, which 
is going to be more expensive than network z. So you end up paying more 
for the 'phone than the x you thought.
-- 
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

"Bother," said Pooh, as he tasted the bacon in his sandwich.

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#56987

In article <aNB20P$q5d2bFwVU@255soft.uk>, J. P. Gilliver (John)
<G6JPG-255@255soft.uk> wrote:

> >>> Depends on your area. My local Target store sells new Android
> >>> smartphones starting at $29 (US) and up. Course those are likely
> >>> loss leaders and lock you to the cell provider. I bought 2 in the
> >>> past on
> >
> >> I wouldn't buy a locked 'phone on principle - the true price is
> >> obscured
> >
> >The cell service prices are not obscured. They are listed on the Target
> []
> No, the price of the _'phone_ is obscured. 

no it isn't. either you pay full price or you finance it over 1-2
years. either way, the actual price is known.

> You think you're getting it 
> at x, but can only _use_ it - as a 'phone, anyway - on network y, which 
> is going to be more expensive than network z. 

only if it's locked. if you want to switch networks, buy an unlocked
phone. if network y is what you want, then a phone locked to it is fine
and you may be able to save a few bucks versus an unlocked phone. if
you want to use network z, then don't buy a phone locked to network y.
either get one locked to z or ideally, an unlocked phone.

> So you end up paying more 
> for the 'phone than the x you thought.

nope.

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#56989

On 10/31/2018 9:55 AM, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
> 123456789 <123456@123456.com writes:

>> The cell service prices are not obscured. They are listed on the
>> Target rack

> No, the price of the _'phone_ is obscured.

So Gilliver's Travels have taken you to MY Target store then?

> You think you're getting it at x, but can only _use_ it - as a
> 'phone, anyway - on network y, which is going to be more expensive
> than network z. So you end up paying more for the 'phone than the x
> you thought.

Not HERE. The smartphone's cost is plainly marked. And the plans are
plainly marked as well. So many $$ for so many minutes and so much data.
YOU pick the plan that suits you best and pay the exact monthly price
you expect.

You're welcome to come by my Target and take a look. It's only a 1000
league trip (or so)... ;)

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#57003

In message <prcr8m$akh$1@dont-email.me>, 123456789 <123456@123456.com> 
writes:
>On 10/31/2018 9:55 AM, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
>> 123456789 <123456@123456.com writes:
>
>>> The cell service prices are not obscured. They are listed on the
>>> Target rack
>
>> No, the price of the _'phone_ is obscured.
>
>So Gilliver's Travels have taken you to MY Target store then?
>
>> You think you're getting it at x, but can only _use_ it - as a
>> 'phone, anyway - on network y, which is going to be more expensive
>> than network z. So you end up paying more for the 'phone than the x
>> you thought.
>
>Not HERE. The smartphone's cost is plainly marked. And the plans are
>plainly marked as well. So many $$ for so many minutes and so much data.
>YOU pick the plan that suits you best and pay the exact monthly price
>you expect.
>
>You're welcome to come by my Target and take a look. It's only a 1000
>league trip (or so)... ;)
>
(-:
Here, _some_ of the tariffs are hire purchase - you actually get the 
'phone "free", on the understanding that you take a higher monthly cost. 
But there's been quite a lot of coverage of companies "forgetting" to 
tell the customers that they can switch to a lower monthly plan when the 
handset has been paid off (after a year or two), so people are still 
paying for a 'phone well after they've bought it.
-- 
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

"I do not feel obliged to believe that the God who endowed me with sense,
reason, and intellect intends me to forego their use". - Gallileo Gallilei

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#57015

On 10/31/2018 2:13 PM, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:

> Here, _some_ of the tariffs are hire purchase - you actually get the
>  'phone "free", on the understanding that you take a higher monthly
> cost.

I was on that kind of system with Verizon for many years. You could
still figure out the total cost if you wanted to but most didn't.

> But there's been quite a lot of coverage of companies "forgetting" to
> tell the customers that they can switch to a lower monthly plan when
> the handset has been paid off (after a year or two)

As I remember I couldn't switch to a cheaper plan when the two years
were up and keep my same (needed) service. So I just got a new phone
whether I needed it or not. Silly to pay for it and not get one.

Now my postpaid Verizon plan is like the phones/plans at the Target
store. Pick a phone for known $$ and add a plan for known $$. No surprises.

And best, my phone is over the two year mark now and I still like it so
no reason to get another. It's on Android 7.0 and had its last update
almost a year ago so I'm thinking it's likely there are no more coming.
In a few years there will probably be a discussion here about my ancient
Android version 7.0... ;)

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#56957

In message <prafq6.ahg.1@ID-201911.user.individual.net>, Frank Slootweg 
<this@ddress.is.invalid> writes:
>"J. P. Gilliver (John)" <G6JPG-255@255soft.uk> wrote:
>> In message <pra6bf$3b5$1@dont-email.me>, Ed Cryer
[]
>> At what annual cost (I'm talking about the hardware), though? And what
>> do I do with the superseded 'phones (which still do what they did when I
>> bought them)?
>
>  If you don't want/need the latest-and-greatest - especially no
>expensive cameras, etc. -, the annual cost can be quite reasonable.
>
>  For me, cost over the last five years, for two phones, excluding the
>cost of two 32GB MicroSD cards, was 160 Euro. So with the cards and some
>paid apps thrown in, that would be some 50 Euro per year.

While still feeling high, that's a lot better than what some of the 
other posters in this thread have been quoting as acceptable!
>
>  That low cost is why I tried Android - instead of iDevices - in the
>first place and why I'm sticking to Android, despite its quirks.
>
>  No way an iDevice could come even remotely close to that low cost.

Indeed not. I've seen iDevices - my blind friends have them; they're 
nice and work well (though I think either OS it's largely a matter of 
familiarity), but the cost is indeed phenomenal. I don't know the 
underlying cost of the hardware, but for PCs, I know Apple gear is about 
3-4 times the cost of the equivalent on Windows, so I assume the 'phones 
are similar (though look to be even more).
>
>  What to do with the superseded phones? Because that's becoming a
>common problem (also I dislike throwing stuff away), you'll see
>information/recommendations on that very subject, in the mainstream
>media.
>
>  Some examples are:
>
>- Portable WiFi hotspot

That's out unless you have a suitable tariff. (I have a 3-2-1 SIM, on 
which I put ten pounds when I bought it several years ago; last time I 
checked, it had about 7 pounds left on it ...) A lot of the PAYG tariffs 
specifically exclude tethering, though I can't see why (as you'd be 
paying for what you use - and how can they even tell anyway?): is that 
just a UK thing, or is it common in other countries too?

>- 'GPS' (navigation device)
>- Music player
>- eReader (for eBooks)
>- Podcasts
>- RSS reader

All sound good ideas, thanks. But unless you're in the habit of using 
multiple devices at once, why wouldn't you just use your latest 'phone 
for all of those?
[]
-- 
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

Who can refute a sneer? - Archdeacon Paley, in his book Moral Philosophy

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#56958

J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:

> I've seen iDevices [...] I don't know the underlying cost of the
> hardware

Up to £1449 for the biggest, baddest iPhone!

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#56962

In message <g3teucFplh0U1@mid.individual.net>, Andy Burns 
<usenet@andyburns.uk> writes:
>
>J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
>
>> I've seen iDevices [...] I don't know the underlying cost of the
>> hardware
>
>Up to £1449 for the biggest, baddest iPhone!
>
No, that's the retail price. (Although I didn't know it was _that_ much; 
I thought the 999 was ridiculous. [I've just bought a new-looking _car_ 
for 1850!]) I said the _underlying_ cost - by which I meant what it cost 
to _make_ it, plus a _reasonable_ markup as I'd expect for any other hoe 
electronics - a hifi, a TV, a Windows PC (the latter maybe plus 30-60 
for the Windows licence). Apple stuff does seem to carry a ridiculous 
premium for "joining the club" - along with high membership fees for 
_staying_ in the club.
-- 
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

Who can refute a sneer? - Archdeacon Paley, in his book Moral Philosophy

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