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  App that screens incoming calls Alek <alek.trishan@gmail.com> - 2018-09-25 13:19 -0400
    Re: App that screens incoming calls VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2018-09-25 12:43 -0500
      Re: App that screens incoming calls nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-09-25 13:53 -0400
      Re: App that screens incoming calls Alek <alek.trishan@gmail.com> - 2018-09-25 14:49 -0400
        Re: App that screens incoming calls VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2018-09-25 16:16 -0500
        Re: App that screens incoming calls M.L. <me@privacy.invalid> - 2018-09-25 17:29 -0500
          Re: App that screens incoming calls VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2018-09-25 18:05 -0500
            Re: App that screens incoming calls VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2018-09-25 18:11 -0500
      Re: App that screens incoming calls "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-09-25 21:36 -0400
        Re: App that screens incoming calls Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> - 2018-09-26 07:36 +0200
        Re: App that screens incoming calls VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2018-09-26 00:56 -0500
          Re: App that screens incoming calls nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-09-26 07:07 -0400
            Re: App that screens incoming calls "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-09-26 13:20 -0400
    Re: App that screens incoming calls 123456789 <12345@12345.com> - 2018-09-25 15:28 -0700
      Re: App that screens incoming calls Joe Beanfish <joebeanfish@nospam.duh> - 2018-09-26 16:21 +0000
        Re: App that screens incoming calls 123456789 <12345@12345.com> - 2018-09-26 11:18 -0700
    Re: App that screens incoming calls "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-09-25 21:43 -0400

#56021 — App that screens incoming calls

Does anyone know of an app that will screen an incoming call and NOT
ring unless the caller is not blocked?

I have a few that will ring once and then act on the blocked number.

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#56022

Alek wrote:

> Does anyone know of an app that will screen an incoming call and NOT
> ring unless the caller is not blocked?
> 
> I have a few that will ring once and then act on the blocked number.

On the receiving end (your phone), there is no information about the
caller's number until AFTER the first ring.  Caller ID is sent between
the 1st and 2nd ring.  There is zero lag when YOU hear the first ring,
so there is no way for you to pickup the phone until after the first
ring.  Wait for a second ring, or more, before picking up the phone.

You could reverse your scheme.  Instead of having the phone ring for
every call except for those blocked (after the caller's ID has been
supplied and your blacklist then checked), why not have your phone not
ring for all calls except those in your contacts list.  That is, instead
of blacklisting some callers (after identification) to block their
calls, why not whitelist the other callers to allow their calls.
Configure the default ringtone to silent.  Then go into your contacts
manager to either set a ringtone for each contact or on a group that
includes all contacts.  

On my LG V20 phone, all my contacts are included automatically in the My
Contacts group.  Instead of having to edit every contact to add a
ringtone, I edited the My Contacts group to define its ringtone.  What
you can do with contact and group properties depends on your brand and
model of smartphone (not yet identified) and what its contact manager
can do.

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#56023

In article <18yepm8snvu3i.dlg@v.nguard.lh>, VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH>
wrote:

> > Does anyone know of an app that will screen an incoming call and NOT
> > ring unless the caller is not blocked?
> > 
> > I have a few that will ring once and then act on the blocked number.
> 
> On the receiving end (your phone), there is no information about the
> caller's number until AFTER the first ring.  Caller ID is sent between
> the 1st and 2nd ring.  There is zero lag when YOU hear the first ring,
> so there is no way for you to pickup the phone until after the first
> ring.  Wait for a second ring, or more, before picking up the phone.

for landlines yes. for cellular no.

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#56024

VanguardLH wrote on 9/25/2018 1:43 PM:
> Alek wrote:
> 
>> Does anyone know of an app that will screen an incoming call and NOT
>> ring unless the caller is not blocked?
>> 
>> I have a few that will ring once and then act on the blocked number.
> 
> You could reverse your scheme.  Instead of having the phone ring for
> every call except for those blocked (after the caller's ID has been
> supplied and your blacklist then checked), why not have your phone not
> ring for all calls except those in your contacts list.  That is, instead
> of blacklisting some callers (after identification) to block their
> calls, why not whitelist the other callers to allow their calls.
> Configure the default ringtone to silent.  Then go into your contacts
> manager to either set a ringtone for each contact or on a group that
> includes all contacts.  

Great idea!

> On my LG V20 phone, all my contacts are included automatically in the My
> Contacts group.  Instead of having to edit every contact to add a
> ringtone, I edited the My Contacts group to define its ringtone.  What
> you can do with contact and group properties depends on your brand and
> model of smartphone (not yet identified) and what its contact manager
> can do.

OnePlus 3T and 6. I'll have to find a 3rd party contact manager.

Thanks for the great idea!

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#56028

Alek wrote:

> VanguardLH wrote on 9/25/2018 1:43 PM:
>> Alek wrote:
>> 
>>> Does anyone know of an app that will screen an incoming call and NOT
>>> ring unless the caller is not blocked?
>>> 
>>> I have a few that will ring once and then act on the blocked number.
>> 
>> You could reverse your scheme.  Instead of having the phone ring for
>> every call except for those blocked (after the caller's ID has been
>> supplied and your blacklist then checked), why not have your phone not
>> ring for all calls except those in your contacts list.  That is, instead
>> of blacklisting some callers (after identification) to block their
>> calls, why not whitelist the other callers to allow their calls.
>> Configure the default ringtone to silent.  Then go into your contacts
>> manager to either set a ringtone for each contact or on a group that
>> includes all contacts.  
> 
> Great idea!
> 
>> On my LG V20 phone, all my contacts are included automatically in the My
>> Contacts group.  Instead of having to edit every contact to add a
>> ringtone, I edited the My Contacts group to define its ringtone.  What
>> you can do with contact and group properties depends on your brand and
>> model of smartphone (not yet identified) and what its contact manager
>> can do.
> 
> OnePlus 3T and 6. I'll have to find a 3rd party contact manager.
> 
> Thanks for the great idea!

https://s3.amazonaws.com/oneplussupport/OnePlus-3T-USER_MANUAL_Android_N.pdf

Download the PDF for the 3T's manual to see if there was any decent
description on how to *use* the dialer or whatever is the inbuilt
contacts manager.  Nope, nothing about how to edit a contact (to look at
its properties to see, for example, if you can pick a ringtone to use
for incoming calls from that contact) or what gets shown when you hit
the menu button (3-button icon), like if their dialer can group contacts
so you can assign contacts to group (easy if it automatically adds all
contacts to some global or all-contact group), so you could edit a
contact group to assign it a ringtone.

Like most manuals for smartphones, they only give an intro to the apps
and function but don't go into the details.  They expect their customers
to learn-on-the-fly and to experiment.

I couldn't even see they mentioned a Contacts app, just their Dialer app
to access contacts.  I found a Youtube video that shows at timemark 0:16
there is a Contacts app.  See:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9fvDetnYX4

When creating a new contact and after pressing "More fields", there is
an option to set Group Name.  So their contact manager appears to let
you define groups into which to categorize your contacts.  Check if
there is a default one that automatically adds all contacts.  

Back in Android 4.4 and 5 for my Samsung phones and, I think, in Android
7.0 for this LG phone I'm using now, there was a My Contacts group that
had all contacts added to it.  LG updated my phone from 7 to 8 and I
lost the My Contacts global contacts group.  So my choices now are:
define each contact to be in a contact group and edit the contact
group's properties to define its ringtone, or edit each contact to
assign a ringtone to just that contact.  Oh joy, Oreo giveth and taketh
away.  Oh well, at least when showing the contact groups, there's a "Not
grouped" contacts group, so I only have to add those contacts to a group
(My Contacts, General, or whatever name you like).

I would've preferred an automated contacts group where all contacts were
listed, so I would have only one group to edit (to change the ringtone).
You'll have to see if the Dialer or Contacts app on the 3T lets you
define groups where you can assign your contacts and just edit the
group's ringtone instead of editing every contact to define its
ringtone.

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#56034

>>> Does anyone know of an app that will screen an incoming call and NOT
>>> ring unless the caller is not blocked?
>>> 
>>> I have a few that will ring once and then act on the blocked number.
>> 
>> You could reverse your scheme.  Instead of having the phone ring for
>> every call except for those blocked (after the caller's ID has been
>> supplied and your blacklist then checked), why not have your phone not
>> ring for all calls except those in your contacts list.  That is, instead
>> of blacklisting some callers (after identification) to block their
>> calls, why not whitelist the other callers to allow their calls.
>> Configure the default ringtone to silent.  Then go into your contacts
>> manager to either set a ringtone for each contact or on a group that
>> includes all contacts.  
>
>Great idea!
>
>> On my LG V20 phone, all my contacts are included automatically in the My
>> Contacts group.  Instead of having to edit every contact to add a
>> ringtone, I edited the My Contacts group to define its ringtone.  What
>> you can do with contact and group properties depends on your brand and
>> model of smartphone (not yet identified) and what its contact manager
>> can do.
>
>OnePlus 3T and 6. I'll have to find a 3rd party contact manager.

I follow the idea Vanguard described above to only allow known
contacts to ring. However, since my Moto phone doesn't natively
support contacts groups, I use Group Ringtone Lite to assign an
audible ringtone to a contacts group. The app reminds you to refresh
the contacts list whenever a new contact is added. Unknown callers get
the silent treatment.

Group Ringtone Lite
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.insadco.groupringtonelite

silent.mp3 (12kB)
https://ia800206.us.archive.org/16/items/SilentRingtone/silence_64kb.mp3

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#56036

M.L. wrote:

>>>> Does anyone know of an app that will screen an incoming call and NOT
>>>> ring unless the caller is not blocked?
>>>> 
>>>> I have a few that will ring once and then act on the blocked number.
>>> 
>>> You could reverse your scheme.  Instead of having the phone ring for
>>> every call except for those blocked (after the caller's ID has been
>>> supplied and your blacklist then checked), why not have your phone not
>>> ring for all calls except those in your contacts list.  That is, instead
>>> of blacklisting some callers (after identification) to block their
>>> calls, why not whitelist the other callers to allow their calls.
>>> Configure the default ringtone to silent.  Then go into your contacts
>>> manager to either set a ringtone for each contact or on a group that
>>> includes all contacts.  
>>
>>Great idea!
>>
>>> On my LG V20 phone, all my contacts are included automatically in the My
>>> Contacts group.  Instead of having to edit every contact to add a
>>> ringtone, I edited the My Contacts group to define its ringtone.  What
>>> you can do with contact and group properties depends on your brand and
>>> model of smartphone (not yet identified) and what its contact manager
>>> can do.
>>
>>OnePlus 3T and 6. I'll have to find a 3rd party contact manager.
> 
> I follow the idea Vanguard described above to only allow known
> contacts to ring. However, since my Moto phone doesn't natively
> support contacts groups, I use Group Ringtone Lite to assign an
> audible ringtone to a contacts group. The app reminds you to refresh
> the contacts list whenever a new contact is added. Unknown callers get
> the silent treatment.
> 
> Group Ringtone Lite
> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.insadco.groupringtonelite
> 
> silent.mp3 (12kB)
> https://ia800206.us.archive.org/16/items/SilentRingtone/silence_64kb.mp3

I think I found the reason why some of my contacts aren't group: they
come from a different synchronization source (Outlook.com) than for the
Google contacts.  While I synchronized my contacts at one time (by
exporting from one to import to the other), there is still a chance I
add a contact in one but not add it to the other contacts source.  If
Outlook is the only source for a contact, it cannot be assigned to a
group.  Groups are a Google thing (like them pretending tags are folders
in e-mail).

To ensure each contact gets a ringtone, I will have to go into each
contact (that has a phone number since I add some just for their e-mail
or address) and check which ringtone is assigned to it.  I'll make the
contact groups match on the ringtone but some contacts might not be in a
group, so only the contact's ringtone gets used.

The app you mentioned looks good but it is adware.  I try to stay away
from installing adware on my phone unless I'm sure that I'll want to buy
it later to continue using it without the ads.  Alas, there are some
apps the authors don't make an ad-free version, and won't even let you
pay for an ad-free version.  They're already making enough from
distributing their adware platform.  This app does have a payware
ad-free version.  However, I only have 28 contacts in Google (plus a few
synchronized from my Outlook.com - and why I discovered those were the
ones that couldn't be grouped unless duplicated over in my Google
account), so adding a ringtone to each is not an onerous task.  If I had
hundreds of contacts, yeah, I'd look into this app or similar (but only
if it was ad-free version).

Apparently Zedge Ringtones is very popular (6.6 million) versus the
Group Ringtone app (266).  One user's review noted the Group Ringtone
app won't list ringtones added by the Zedge app.  Could be Zedge, as a
service, puts its ringtones somewhere other than the default location
for ringtones, so Group Ringtone can't find those Zedge ringtones.

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#56037

VanguardLH wrote:

> M.L. wrote:
> 
>> Group Ringtone Lite
>> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.insadco.groupringtonelite

Went to the app's web site where it mentions:

  No contact groups are shown

  Group Ringtone only shows those contacts groups that have contacts 
  assigned - maybe you did not put any contacts in a contact group yet.

Oh oh.  That means contacts synchonized from my Outlook.com account to
my phone that cannot get grouped cannot be managed by this app.  This
app works only with Google contacts.  Looks like this app does what I
did with contact groups: edit a contact group to assign a ringtone to
that group.  However, only contacts in groups will use the group's
ringtone.  I cannot get Outlook-only contacts put into a group.  That's
a Google thing.  If a contact is from my Google account (whether or not
duplicated in my Outlook.com account), it can get grouped.  

Actually when editing the duplicate-sourced contact, I see two sections:
one for the Google contact and another for the Outlook contact.  The
section for the Google contact has the group field.  The section for the
Outlook contact doesn't.  If a contact comes only from Outlook, it
cannot be grouped and this app won't help.

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#56039

On 25/09/2018 13.43, VanguardLH wrote:
> Alek wrote:
> 
>> Does anyone know of an app that will screen an incoming call and NOT
>> ring unless the caller is not blocked?
>>
>> I have a few that will ring once and then act on the blocked number.
> 
> On the receiving end (your phone), there is no information about the
> caller's number until AFTER the first ring.  Caller ID is sent between
> the 1st and 2nd ring.  There is zero lag when YOU hear the first ring,
> so there is no way for you to pickup the phone until after the first
> ring.  Wait for a second ring, or more, before picking up the phone.

That's for analog land lines. Not for mobile (which is entirely digital,
both voice and signalling), and AFAIK not for ISDN either.

-- 
Cheers,
       Carlos E.R.

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#56044

Am 26.09.18 um 03:36 schrieb Carlos E. R.:
> On 25/09/2018 13.43, VanguardLH wrote:
>> Alek wrote:
>>
>>> Does anyone know of an app that will screen an incoming call and NOT
>>> ring unless the caller is not blocked?
>>>
>>> I have a few that will ring once and then act on the blocked number.
>>
>> On the receiving end (your phone), there is no information about the
>> caller's number until AFTER the first ring.  Caller ID is sent between
>> the 1st and 2nd ring.  There is zero lag when YOU hear the first ring,
>> so there is no way for you to pickup the phone until after the first
>> ring.  Wait for a second ring, or more, before picking up the phone.
> 
> That's for analog land lines. Not for mobile (which is entirely digital,
> both voice and signalling), and AFAIK not for ISDN either.
> 
What you say in essence: Almost all connections are digital. Especially 
those on comp.mobile.android ...

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#56045

Carlos E. R. wrote:

> VanguardLH wrote:
>
>> Alek wrote:
>> 
>>> Does anyone know of an app that will screen an incoming call and NOT
>>> ring unless the caller is not blocked?
>>>
>>> I have a few that will ring once and then act on the blocked number.
>> 
>> On the receiving end (your phone), there is no information about the
>> caller's number until AFTER the first ring.  Caller ID is sent between
>> the 1st and 2nd ring.  There is zero lag when YOU hear the first ring,
>> so there is no way for you to pickup the phone until after the first
>> ring.  Wait for a second ring, or more, before picking up the phone.
> 
> That's for analog land lines. Not for mobile (which is entirely digital,
> both voice and signalling), and AFAIK not for ISDN either.

Where do you see a protocol that specifies the CID data is sent before
the first ring on the *receiving* end (the user's phone)?

Whether POTS or digital, CID data is still sent as an analog stream
using Bell 202 modulation between the first and second rings from the
local switch.  If a call is immediately picked up during the 1st ring,
the callee may not see the CID data.  This is how it works in the USA.
In the UK, line reversal using v.23 or DTMF might be used to announce
the CID data without or without issuing a ringing signal.  I don't know
where Alek is situated.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caller_ID#Regional_differences

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#56046

In article <14u6auk9cxuoj.dlg@v.nguard.lh>, VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH>
wrote:

> >> On the receiving end (your phone), there is no information about the
> >> caller's number until AFTER the first ring.  Caller ID is sent between
> >> the 1st and 2nd ring.  There is zero lag when YOU hear the first ring,
> >> so there is no way for you to pickup the phone until after the first
> >> ring.  Wait for a second ring, or more, before picking up the phone.
> > 
> > That's for analog land lines. Not for mobile (which is entirely digital,
> > both voice and signalling), and AFAIK not for ISDN either.
> 
> Where do you see a protocol that specifies the CID data is sent before
> the first ring on the *receiving* end (the user's phone)?

cellphones and voip send clid during call setup, which is why the
number shows up *immediately*.

cellphone ringing is generated by the cellphone itself, not the central
office as with pots, so there is no concept of first or second ring as
far as the phone network is concerned.

> Whether POTS or digital, CID data is still sent as an analog stream
> using Bell 202 modulation between the first and second rings from the
> local switch. If a call is immediately picked up during the 1st ring,
> the callee may not see the CID data.  This is how it works in the USA.
> In the UK, line reversal using v.23 or DTMF might be used to announce
> the CID data without or without issuing a ringing signal. 

only pots.

there is no 'analog stream' on voip or mobile, which should have been
the first clue that it does not apply.

> I don't know
> where Alek is situated.

it doesn't matter where he is.

> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caller_ID#Regional_differences

it would help if you actually understood what you blindly pull up in a
search.

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#56049

On 26/09/2018 07.07, nospam wrote:
> In article <14u6auk9cxuoj.dlg@v.nguard.lh>, VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH>
> wrote:
> 
>>>> On the receiving end (your phone), there is no information about the
>>>> caller's number until AFTER the first ring.  Caller ID is sent between
>>>> the 1st and 2nd ring.  There is zero lag when YOU hear the first ring,
>>>> so there is no way for you to pickup the phone until after the first
>>>> ring.  Wait for a second ring, or more, before picking up the phone.
>>>
>>> That's for analog land lines. Not for mobile (which is entirely digital,
>>> both voice and signalling), and AFAIK not for ISDN either.
>>
>> Where do you see a protocol that specifies the CID data is sent before
>> the first ring on the *receiving* end (the user's phone)?
> 
> cellphones and voip send clid during call setup, which is why the
> number shows up *immediately*.

Correct.

> cellphone ringing is generated by the cellphone itself, not the central
> office as with pots, so there is no concept of first or second ring as
> far as the phone network is concerned.

Correct.

>> Whether POTS or digital, CID data is still sent as an analog stream
>> using Bell 202 modulation between the first and second rings from the
>> local switch. If a call is immediately picked up during the 1st ring,
>> the callee may not see the CID data.  This is how it works in the USA.
>> In the UK, line reversal using v.23 or DTMF might be used to announce
>> the CID data without or without issuing a ringing signal. 
> 
> only pots.

Correct.

> there is no 'analog stream' on voip or mobile, which should have been
> the first clue that it does not apply.

Correct.

> 
>> I don't know
>> where Alek is situated.
> 
> it doesn't matter where he is.
> 
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caller_ID#Regional_differences
> 
> it would help if you actually understood what you blindly pull up in a
> search.
> 

Well, the article should be clear that the technology is different for
mobiles.

-- 
Cheers,
       Carlos E.R.

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#56033

On 9/25/2018 10:19 AM, Alek wrote:

> Does anyone know of an app that will screen an incoming call and NOT
>  ring unless the caller is not blocked?

> I have a few that will ring once and then act on the blocked number.

I use the app Blacklist Plus. Stops all rings except those in my contact
list. (Can be set to let them go to Voice mail but in my experience most
junk calls don't-YMMV.) A list of all blocked calls are available in the
app. You have settings for time scheduling, blocking mode, hang up or
mute, block SMS or not, notifications, and a whitelist.

It's not for those who expect a lot of strange calls (not in contact
list) but for me it's perfect. I average 2 junk calls a day and my phone
remains silent. Love this app.

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#56048

On Tue, 25 Sep 2018 15:28:31 -0700, 123456789 wrote:

> On 9/25/2018 10:19 AM, Alek wrote:
> 
>> Does anyone know of an app that will screen an incoming call and NOT
>>  ring unless the caller is not blocked?
> 
>> I have a few that will ring once and then act on the blocked number.
> 
> I use the app Blacklist Plus. Stops all rings except those in my contact
> list. (Can be set to let them go to Voice mail but in my experience most
> junk calls don't-YMMV.) A list of all blocked calls are available in the
> app. You have settings for time scheduling, blocking mode, hang up or
> mute, block SMS or not, notifications, and a whitelist.
> 
> It's not for those who expect a lot of strange calls (not in contact
> list) but for me it's perfect. I average 2 junk calls a day and my phone
> remains silent. Love this app.

I use a very similar app called Calls Blacklist - Call Blocker by Vlad Lee.
I get half a vibrate (no sound) for the blocked calls. I'm guessing I
wouldn't even get that half vibrate if I let it be the default phone app
which it suggests.

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#56050

On 9/26/2018 9:21 AM, Joe Beanfish wrote:
> On Tue, 25 Sep 2018 15:28:31 -0700, 123456789 wrote:

>> I use the app Blacklist Plus PRO. Stops all rings except those in
>> my contact list. (Can be set to let them go to Voice mail but in
>> my experience most junk calls don't-YMMV.) A list of all blocked
>> calls are available in the app. You have settings for time
>> scheduling, blocking mode, hang up or mute, block SMS or not,
>> notifications, and a whitelist.
>> 
>> It's not for those who expect a lot of strange calls (not in 
>> contact list) but for me it's perfect. I average 2 junk calls a
>> day and my phone remains silent. Love this app.
> 
> I use a very similar app called Calls Blacklist - Call Blocker by 
> Vlad Lee.

Vlad Lee wrote my "Blacklist Plus PRO" also.

Interestingly when I look up your blocker "Calls Blacklist" in the Play
Store and it says "Contains ads - In app purchases". When I look up
"Blacklist Plus" there's no such warning. And both are written by Vlad Lee.

> I get half a vibrate (no sound) for the blocked calls.

I do also.

> I'm guessing I wouldn't even get that half vibrate if I let it be
> the default phone app which it suggests.

Perhaps you should try "Blacklist Plus" and see what it wants to do. I
long ago upgraded to "Blacklist Plus PRO" so don't remember all the
details of the basic app other than there's not much gained by the
upgrade. It's mainly a donation vehicle for the author which I was glad
to give as I liked the app.

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#56041

On 25/09/2018 13.19, Alek wrote:
> Does anyone know of an app that will screen an incoming call and NOT
> ring unless the caller is not blocked?
> 
> I have a few that will ring once and then act on the blocked number.
> 

I'm trying Hiya these days. They say that they need some time to process
the incoming call and find out about it, and in that time it rings.

My phone (a Motoroloa) now has two block lists: one native, and another
by Hiya. I suspect the second is slower.

On some brands (Samsung) it appears that Hiyo comes integrated with the
native dialer.

-- 
Cheers,
       Carlos E.R.

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