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Is there a single bit of functionality on iOS that isn't already on Android?

Started byHorace Algier <horatio@horatio.net>
First post2016-09-07 05:04 +0000
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  Is there a single bit of functionality on iOS that isn't already on Android? Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net> - 2016-09-07 05:04 +0000
    Re: Is there a single bit of functionality on iOS that isn't already on Android? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-09-07 15:57 +1000
      Re: Is there a single bit of functionality on iOS that isn't already on Android? Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net> - 2016-09-07 17:15 +0000
        Re: Is there a single bit of functionality on iOS that isn't already on Android? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-09-08 04:50 +1000
          Re: Is there a single bit of functionality on iOS that isn't already on Android? Horace Algier  <HoraceAlgier@nowhere.com> - 2016-11-01 01:38 +0000
            Re: Is there a single bit of functionality on iOS that isn't already on Android? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-31 22:33 -0400
              Re: Is there a single bit of functionality on iOS that isn't already on Android? Algeria Horan <algeriahoran@algeria.horan.net> - 2016-11-01 02:38 +0000
                Re: Is there a single bit of functionality on iOS that isn't already on Android? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-31 22:49 -0400
                  Re: Is there a single bit of functionality on iOS that isn't already on Android? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-11-01 04:15 +0000
                    Re: Is there a single bit of functionality on iOS that isn't already on Android? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-11-01 16:17 +1100
                      Re: Is there a single bit of functionality on iOS that isn't already on Android? Algeria Horan <algeriahoran@algeria.horan.net> - 2016-11-01 15:55 +0000
                        Re: Is there a single bit of functionality on iOS that isn't already on Android? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-11-02 03:05 +1100
                          Re: Is there a single bit of functionality on iOS that isn't already on Android? Algeria Horan <algeriahoran@algeria.horan.net> - 2016-11-04 00:48 +0000
                            Re: Is there a single bit of functionality on iOS that isn't already on Android? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-11-04 12:33 +1100
                          Re: Is there a single bit of functionality on iOS that isn't already on Android? Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> - 2016-11-04 06:56 +0100
                    Re: Is there a single bit of functionality on iOS that isn't already on Android? Algeria Horan <algeriahoran@algeria.horan.net> - 2016-11-01 15:54 +0000
                      Re: Is there a single bit of functionality on iOS that isn't already on Android? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-11-02 03:05 +1100
                        Re: Is there a single bit of functionality on iOS that isn't already on Android? Algeria Horan <algeriahoran@algeria.horan.net> - 2016-11-04 00:48 +0000
                          Re: Is there a single bit of functionality on iOS that isn't already on Android? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-11-04 12:33 +1100
                  Re: Is there a single bit of functionality on iOS that isn't already on Android? Algeria Horan <algeriahoran@algeria.horan.net> - 2016-11-01 15:54 +0000
                    Re: Is there a single bit of functionality on iOS that isn't already on Android? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-11-02 03:05 +1100
                      Re: Is there a single bit of functionality on iOS that isn't already on Android? Algeria Horan <algeriahoran@algeria.horan.net> - 2016-11-04 02:23 +0000
                        Re: Is there a single bit of functionality on iOS that isn't already on Android? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-11-04 13:41 +1100
                    Re: Is there a single bit of functionality on iOS that isn't already on Android? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-11-01 12:25 -0400
                      Re: Is there a single bit of functionality on iOS that isn't already on Android? John Carter <me@mymailsvr.org> - 2016-11-12 05:16 +0000
                Re: Is there a single bit of functionality on iOS that isn't already on Android? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-11-01 14:49 +1100
                  Re: Is there a single bit of functionality on iOS that isn't already on Android? Algeria Horan <algeriahoran@algeria.horan.net> - 2016-11-01 15:54 +0000
                    Re: Is there a single bit of functionality on iOS that isn't already on Android? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-11-02 03:03 +1100
            Re: Is there a single bit of functionality on iOS that isn't already on Android? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-11-01 14:30 +1100
              Re: Is there a single bit of functionality on iOS that isn't already on Android? Algeria Horan <algeriahoran@algeria.horan.net> - 2016-11-01 15:54 +0000
                Re: Is there a single bit of functionality on iOS that isn't already on Android? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-11-02 03:02 +1100
                Re: Is there a single bit of functionality on iOS that isn't already on Android? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-11-01 12:25 -0400
                  Re: Is there a single bit of functionality on iOS that isn't already on Android? Algeria Horan <algeriahoran@algeria.horan.net> - 2016-11-04 03:21 +0000
                    Re: Is there a single bit of functionality on iOS that isn't already on Android? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-11-04 14:51 +1100
                      Re: Is there a single bit of functionality on iOS that isn't already on Android? Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> - 2016-11-04 06:58 +0100
                        Re: Is there a single bit of functionality on iOS that isn't already on Android? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-11-04 17:00 +1100
                          Re: Is there a single bit of functionality on iOS that isn't already on Android? Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> - 2016-11-04 07:09 +0100
                            Re: Is there a single bit of functionality on iOS that isn't already on Android? "Hankat" <hyes342@nospam.com> - 2016-11-04 17:19 +1100
            Re: Is there a single bit of functionality on iOS that isn't already on Android? Algeria Horan <algeriahoran@algeria.horan.net> - 2016-11-04 03:21 +0000
              Re: Is there a single bit of functionality on iOS that isn't already on Android? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-11-04 14:46 +1100
              Re: Is there a single bit of functionality on iOS that isn't already on Android? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-11-04 00:15 -0400
                Re: Is there a single bit of functionality on iOS that isn't already on Android? Algeria Horan <algeriahoran@algeria.horan.net> - 2016-11-05 02:34 +0000
                  Re: Is there a single bit of functionality on iOS that isn't already on Android? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-11-04 23:57 -0400
                    Re: Is there a single bit of functionality on iOS that isn't already on Android? Algeria Horan <algeriahoran@algeria.horan.net> - 2016-11-05 12:54 +0000
            Re: Is there a single bit of functionality on iOS that isn't already on Android? Algeria Horan <algeriahoran@algeria.horan.net> - 2016-11-05 02:34 +0000
              Re: Is there a single bit of functionality on iOS that isn't already on Android? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-11-05 16:20 +1100
                Re: Is there a single bit of functionality on iOS that isn't already on Android? Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> - 2016-11-05 07:10 +0100
                  Re: Is there a single bit of functionality on iOS that isn't already on Android? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-11-05 17:54 +1100
                  Re: Is there a single bit of functionality on iOS that isn't already on Android? BobbyK <bknight@Conramp.net> - 2016-11-05 16:49 -0500
                    Re: Is there a single bit of functionality on iOS that isn't already on Android? Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> - 2016-11-06 06:17 +0100
                      Re: Is there a single bit of functionality on iOS that isn't already on Android? "Jack Johnson" <jhj34d@gmail.com> - 2016-11-06 19:35 +1100
                        Re: Is there a single bit of functionality on iOS that isn't already on Android? Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> - 2016-11-06 09:42 +0100
                          Re: Is there a single bit of functionality on iOS that isn't already on Android? "Jack Johnson" <jhj34d@gmail.com> - 2016-11-06 21:01 +1100
                            Re: Is there a single bit of functionality on iOS that isn't already on Android? Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> - 2016-11-06 11:57 +0100
                              Re: Is there a single bit of functionality on iOS that isn't already on Android? "Jack Johnson" <jhj34d@gmail.com> - 2016-11-07 07:23 +1100
                        Re: Is there a single bit of functionality on iOS that isn't already on Android? Bob Martin <bob.martin@excite.com> - 2016-11-07 08:00 +0000
                          Re: Is there a single bit of functionality on iOS that isn't already on Android? Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> - 2016-11-07 21:48 +0100
              Re: Is there a single bit of functionality on iOS that isn't already on Android? Algeria Horan <algeriahoran@algeria.horan.net> - 2016-11-06 03:05 +0000
                Re: Is there a single bit of functionality on iOS that isn't already on Android? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-11-06 14:26 +1100
                  Re: Is there a single bit of functionality on iOS that isn't already on Android? Algeria Horan <algeriahoran@algeria.horan.net> - 2016-11-06 03:53 +0000
                    Re: Is there a single bit of functionality on iOS that isn't already on Android? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-11-06 15:54 +1100
                Re: Is there a single bit of functionality on iOS that isn't already on Android? Algeria Horan <algeriahoran@algeria.horan.net> - 2016-11-06 03:33 +0000
                  Re: Is there a single bit of functionality on iOS that isn't already on Android? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-11-06 15:51 +1100
                  Re: Is there a single bit of functionality on iOS that isn't already on Android? Algeria Horan <algeriahoran@algeria.horan.net> - 2016-11-06 05:11 +0000
                    Re: Is there a single bit of functionality on iOS that isn't already on Android? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-11-06 19:32 +1100
                      Re: Is there a single bit of functionality on iOS that isn't already on Android? Algeria Horan <algeriahoran@algeria.horan.net> - 2016-11-06 21:55 +0000
                        Re: Is there a single bit of functionality on iOS that isn't already on Android? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-11-07 09:12 +1100
            Re: Is there a single bit of functionality on iOS that isn't already on Android? Algeria Horan <algeriahoran@algeria.horan.net> - 2016-11-06 05:19 +0000
              Re: Is there a single bit of functionality on iOS that isn't already on Android? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-11-06 19:33 +1100
                Re: Is there a single bit of functionality on iOS that isn't already on Android? Algeria Horan <algeriahoran@algeria.horan.net> - 2016-11-06 21:54 +0000
                  Re: Is there a single bit of functionality on iOS that isn't already on Android? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-11-07 09:11 +1100
        Re: Is there a single bit of functionality on iOS that isn't already on Android? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2016-09-07 19:23 +0000
          Re: Is there a single bit of functionality on iOS that isn't already on Android? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2016-09-10 19:29 +0000
            Re: Is there a single bit of functionality on iOS that isn't already on Android? Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net> - 2016-09-11 00:27 +0000
              Re: Is there a single bit of functionality on iOS that isn't already on Android? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2016-09-11 15:26 +0000
        Re: Is there a single bit of functionality on iOS that isn't already on Android? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2016-09-08 09:13 +1200
          Re: Is there a single bit of functionality on iOS that isn't already on Android? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-09-07 22:21 +0000
      Re: Is there a single bit of functionality on iOS that isn't already on Android? Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net> - 2016-09-11 09:52 +0000
        Re: Is there a single bit of functionality on iOS that isn't already on Android? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-09-11 20:34 +1000
    Re: Is there a single bit of functionality on iOS that isn't already on Android? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2016-09-07 08:48 -0400
    Re: Is there a single bit of functionality on iOS that isn't already on Android? M-M <nospam@ny.more> - 2016-09-07 10:46 -0400
      Re: Is there a single bit of functionality on iOS that isn't already on Android? Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net> - 2016-09-11 09:50 +0000
        Re: Is there a single bit of functionality on iOS that isn't already on Android? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-09-11 20:32 +1000
          Re: Is there a single bit of functionality on iOS that isn't already on Android? Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net> - 2016-09-11 18:53 +0000
            Re: Is there a single bit of functionality on iOS that isn't already on Android? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-09-12 07:02 +1000
              Re: Is there a single bit of functionality on iOS that isn't already on Android? Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net> - 2016-09-13 16:54 +0000
                Re: Is there a single bit of functionality on iOS that isn't already on Android? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-09-13 13:00 -0400
                Re: Is there a single bit of functionality on iOS that isn't already on Android? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-09-13 17:50 +0000
                Re: Is there a single bit of functionality on iOS that isn't already on Android? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-09-14 04:46 +1000
        Re: Is there a single bit of functionality on iOS that isn't already on Android? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2016-09-11 11:23 -0400
          Re: Is there a single bit of functionality on iOS that isn't already on Android? Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net> - 2016-09-11 18:53 +0000
            Re: Is there a single bit of functionality on iOS that isn't already on Android? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-09-11 14:55 -0400
              Re: Is there a single bit of functionality on iOS that isn't already on Android? Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net> - 2016-09-13 16:54 +0000
                Re: Is there a single bit of functionality on iOS that isn't already on Android? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-09-14 04:49 +1000
                  Re: Is there a single bit of functionality on iOS that isn't already on Android? Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net> - 2016-09-14 10:03 +0000
                    Re: Is there a single bit of functionality on iOS that isn't already on Android? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-09-14 20:24 +1000
                      Re: Is there a single bit of functionality on iOS that isn't already on Android? Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net> - 2016-09-14 19:50 +0000
                        Re: Is there a single bit of functionality on iOS that isn't already on Android? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-09-15 05:57 +1000
            Re: Is there a single bit of functionality on iOS that isn't already on Android? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-09-12 06:52 +1000
              Re: Is there a single bit of functionality on iOS that isn't already on Android? Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net> - 2016-09-13 16:54 +0000
                Re: Is there a single bit of functionality on iOS that isn't already on Android? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-09-13 13:00 -0400
                Re: Is there a single bit of functionality on iOS that isn't already on Android? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-09-14 04:43 +1000
                  Re: Is there a single bit of functionality on iOS that isn't already on Android? Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net> - 2016-09-14 10:03 +0000
                    Re: Is there a single bit of functionality on iOS that isn't already on Android? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-09-14 20:22 +1000
        Re: Is there a single bit of functionality on iOS that isn't already on Android? The Mighty Ant <mightyant@antheap.com> - 2016-09-12 06:29 +0700
    Re: Is there a single bit of functionality on iOS that isn't already on Android? MalcolmO <user@domain.invalid> - 2016-09-10 21:12 -0400
      Re: Is there a single bit of functionality on iOS that isn't already on Android? Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net> - 2016-09-11 09:48 +0000
        Re: Is there a single bit of functionality on iOS that isn't already on Android? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2016-09-11 11:22 -0400
          Re: Is there a single bit of functionality on iOS that isn't already on Android? Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net> - 2016-09-11 18:53 +0000

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#33966 — Is there a single bit of functionality on iOS that isn't already on Android?

FromHorace Algier <horatio@horatio.net>
Date2016-09-07 05:04 +0000
SubjectIs there a single bit of functionality on iOS that isn't already on Android?
Message-ID<nqo74b$1oo1$1@gioia.aioe.org>
Can anyone name a single bit of functionality that is "on" iOS that isn't
already on Android?

NOTE: Functionality is not brand names.
This is not about jailbroken phones.
And the functionality has to be *on* the phone (not on a mainframe server
or a desktop computer).

Is there a *single* bit of functionality on iOS that isn't *already* on
Android?

Just one?

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#33967

From"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com>
Date2016-09-07 15:57 +1000
Message-ID<e39p91FduplU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#33966
Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net> wrote 

> Can anyone name a single bit of functionality 
> that is "on" iOS that isn't already on Android?

Already did, repeatedly. Sandboxing. 

And airdrop, continuity, handoff, only being able to
get apps from the store so you can be sure that it has
been checked by apple to ensure that it isnt malicious
and with a mechanism that allows apple to remove
it from your iOS device if it manages to slip thru the 
checks and is discovered to be malicious later. 
 
> NOTE: Functionality is not brand names.

All of the above are functionality. 

> This is not about jailbroken phones.

None of the above has anything to do with jailbroken iOS devices. 

> And the functionality has to be *on* the phone 
> (not on a mainframe server or a desktop computer).

None of the above is. 
 
> Is there a *single* bit of functionality 
> on iOS that isn't *already* on Android?
 
> Just one?

All of the above are, and plenty more too.

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#33982

FromHorace Algier <horatio@horatio.net>
Date2016-09-07 17:15 +0000
Message-ID<nqphun$1u81$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#33967
On Wed, 7 Sep 2016 15:57:45 +1000, Rod Speed wrote:

> Sandboxing. 
> airdrop, 
> continuity, 
> handoff
> only being able to get apps from the store 
> a mechanism that allows apple to remove
> it from your iOS device 

Rod,
This is good input, and deserves a thread of its own, instead of being
buried inside some other thread.

Let's take "AirDrop® ad hoc services" first.

There is no such thing as "Airdrop". 
Apple says so themselves.
http://www.apple.com/legal/intellectual-property/trademark/appletmlist.html

Just like RCA and ThinkPad are trademarks that are bought and sold among
companies (none of which are currently from the "original" RCA or IBM), the
word you use is merely a meaningless M-A-R-K-E-T-I-N-G "adjective" which
Apple *bought* on Thursday, July 08, 2010 from another company.

- Apple Officially Acquires ´AirDrop¡ Trademark
http://www.mactrast.com/2011/06/apple-officially-acquires-airdrop-trademark/
http://www.trademarkia.com/airdrop-85080406.html

Apple M-A-R-K-E-T-I-N-G also registered the *logo* on March 7, 2013
http://www.patentlyapple.com/patently-apple/2013/03/apples-airdrop-logo-is-now-a-registered-trademark.html

Where the point is that it's a purely  M-A-R-K-E-T-I-N-G  tool that, in and
of itself, is entirely meaningless (just as "Tylenol", in and of itself, is
entirely meaningless and can be used for *anything* J&J wants to use it for
just as Techron is used for a ton of unrelated products).

It's  M-A-R-K-E-T-I-N-G Rod. 
Pure unadulterated (and very clever) M-A-R-K-E-T-I-N-G .

Which means it means nothing. It means whatever Apple MARKETING wants it to
mean. And they clearly say it means nothing in and of itself.

The fact is that Apple says you must "include an appropriate generic term
after the trademark the first time it appears. Thereafter, the generic term
should appear frequently with the trademark." 

This is no different than any other M-A-R-K-E-T-I-N-G trademark much as
Adobe and Ford and Mercury and Techron and Tylenol, etc.

For you to succumb so readily to meaningless M-A-R-K-E-T-I-N-G is a
problem, because M-A-R-K-E-T-I-N-G's job is to feed you manure and your job
is to pay for that manure (while Apple corporate laughs all the way to the
bank).

OK. So we've shown that you must always follow the meaningless trademark
with meaningful generic functionality.

The generic term for what the AirDrop® "software feature" does is called
"ad hoc services":
 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AirDrop
 - The AirDrop® software feature is an ad hoc service.

An ad hoc service is defined here:
 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobile_ad_hoc_network
 - Smart phone ad hoc networks leverage the existing hardware (primarily
Bluetooth and Wi-Fi) in commercially available smart phones to create
peer-to-peer networks without relying on cellular carrier networks,
wireless access points, or traditional network infrastructure. SPANs differ
from traditional hub and spoke networks, such as Wi-Fi Direct, in that they
support multi-hop relays and there is no notion of a group leader so peers
can join and leave at will without destroying the network.

*Clearly Android has ad hoc services.*

In fact, the Android ad hoc services work both inside and outside the
walled garden, whereas the AirDrop® brand ad hoc services only work
*inside* the walled garden.

So clearly, not only does Android have plenty of modern ad hoc services,
but Android had them before Apple ever bought the exclusive rights to use
the word "AirDrop®" as a legal trademark adjective for its limited
primitive brand of ad hoc services.

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#33989

From"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com>
Date2016-09-08 04:50 +1000
Message-ID<e3b5r3FocvmU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#33982
Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote

>> Sandboxing.
>> airdrop,
>> continuity,
>> handoff
>> only being able to get apps from the store
>> a mechanism that allows apple to remove
>> it from your iOS device

> Rod,
> This is good input, and deserves a thread of its own, instead of being
> buried inside some other thread.

> Let's take "AirDrop® ad hoc services" first.

> There is no such thing as "Airdrop".
> Apple says so themselves.
> http://www.apple.com/legal/intellectual-property/trademark/appletmlist.html

And yet
https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT204144

> Just like RCA and ThinkPad are trademarks that are bought and sold among
> companies (none of which are currently from the "original" RCA or IBM), 
> the
> word you use is merely a meaningless M-A-R-K-E-T-I-N-G "adjective"

Wrong, as always.

> which Apple *bought* on Thursday, July 08, 2010 from another company.

It is in fact a useful one word name for a particular functionality.

> Which means it means nothing.

Wrong, as always.

> It means whatever Apple MARKETING wants it to mean.

Wrong, as always.

> And they clearly say it means nothing in and of itself.

They say nothing of the sort.

> The fact is that Apple says you must "include an appropriate
> generic term after the trademark the first time it appears.

Apple doesn’t in fact do that.
https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT204144

> OK. So we've shown that you must always follow the meaningless
> trademark with meaningful generic functionality.

You have done nothing of the sort and Apple doesn’t even do that.
https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT204144

<reams of your even sillier mindlessly repetitive shit flushed where it 
belongs>

Now try that with sandboxing and then wipe that egg that is all over your 
silly face.
With apple's approach to ensuring that apps are safe for your personal data 
in spades.

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#35574

FromHorace Algier <HoraceAlgier@nowhere.com>
Date2016-11-01 01:38 +0000
Message-ID<nv8rn9$1lv8$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#33989
On Wed, 7 Sep 2016 05:04:15 +0000 (UTC), Horace Algier wrote:

> Is there a *single* bit of functionality on iOS that isn't *already* on
> Android?
> 
> Just one?

The topic came up today that Rod Speed feels that Apple Pay is functionality 
that is on iOS alone, the response to which I wrote in another thread just
now:

 On Tue, 1 Nov 2016 06:42:46 +1100, Rod Speed wrote:

> airdrop, 
> continuity,
> handoff, 
> sandboxing, 
> applepay 

We've long ago debunked the airdrop myth.

Let's take the Apple Pay (aka Google Virtual Wallet, PayPass, etc.) 
suggestion, shall we?

And let's entirely forget that Apple Pay *requires* network computers on the 
other end, which was not in the spirit of the question since the question 
was what can the iOS device do all by its itty bitty self.

Not only does Apple Pay require other computers, but it also requires the 
specific cloud, iCloud, which, as we said many times, is not in the spirit 
of the question of what the mobile device can do all by its itty bitty self.

Nonetheless, let's look at this Apply Pay (Google Wallet, PayPass, etc.), 
shall we.

What's the functionality outside the trademark bullshit?
It's the ability to pay for stuff using the phone.

You can also say it's the ability to pay for stuff using the phone without 
the retailer having "direct access" to your credit card details.

Nice. But it's not iOS all by itself, and, even if we forget that it 
requires both the iCloud specifically, and network computers, it's the same 
functionality as Google Wallet or PayPass anyway.

All of which came well before Apple Pay, which is merely a copy of an 
existing system. Nothing wrong with a copy, mind you, but it's nothing 
unique.

Even worse, Apple reputedly gets a cut of the transaction, so, Apply Pay is 
actually worse than Google Wallet in some ways; but the main point is that 
it's nothing that wasn't already there, and besides, it's not something that 
iOS has all by itself anyway.

As I said, Android does lots that iOS can't hope to do, and yet, there's 
absolutely nothing that iOS does that Android doesn't already do.

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#35575

Fromnospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
Date2016-10-31 22:33 -0400
Message-ID<311020162233550767%nospam@nospam.invalid>
In reply to#35574
In article <nv8rn9$1lv8$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Horace Algier
<HoraceAlgier@nowhere.com> wrote:

> 
> We've long ago debunked the airdrop myth.

it's not a myth. it's something android cannot do. period.

> Let's take the Apple Pay (aka Google Virtual Wallet, PayPass, etc.) 
> suggestion, shall we?
> 
> And let's entirely forget that Apple Pay *requires* network computers on the 
> other end, which was not in the spirit of the question since the question 
> was what can the iOS device do all by its itty bitty self.

apple pay does not require anything other than the merchant's point of
sales terminal with contactless enabled.

android pay, on the other hand, *does* require internet connectivity
from the user's phone because android devices do not have a secure
enclave.

in other words, you have everything backwards. 

> Not only does Apple Pay require other computers, but it also requires the 
> specific cloud, iCloud, which, as we said many times, is not in the spirit 
> of the question of what the mobile device can do all by its itty bitty self.

nope.

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#35576

FromAlgeria Horan <algeriahoran@algeria.horan.net>
Date2016-11-01 02:38 +0000
Message-ID<nv8v7d$1pt6$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#35575
On Mon, 31 Oct 2016 22:33:55 -0400, nospam wrote:

>> We've long ago debunked the airdrop myth.
> 
> it's not a myth. it's something android cannot do. period.

You Apple guys fall for meaningless trademarks every single time!
AirDrop is just ad hoc services, which were on Android first.

This is a post made with respect to your AirDrop claim.

------------------------------------------
Let's take "AirDrop® ad hoc services" first.

There is no such thing as "Airdrop".
Apple says so themselves.
http://www.apple.com/legal/intellectual-property/trademark/appletmlist.html

Just like RCA and ThinkPad are trademarks that are bought and sold among
companies (none of which are currently from the "original" RCA or IBM), the
word you use is merely a meaningless M-A-R-K-E-T-I-N-G "adjective" which
Apple *bought* on Thursday, July 08, 2010 from another company.

- Apple Officially Acquires ´AirDrop¡ Trademark
http://www.mactrast.com/2011/06/apple-officially-acquires-airdrop-trademark/
http://www.trademarkia.com/airdrop-85080406.html

Apple M-A-R-K-E-T-I-N-G also registered the *logo* on March 7, 2013
http://www.patentlyapple.com/patently-apple/2013/03/apples-airdrop-logo-is-now-a-registered-trademark.html

Where the point is that it's a purely  M-A-R-K-E-T-I-N-G  tool that, in and
of itself, is entirely meaningless (just as "Tylenol", in and of itself, is
entirely meaningless and can be used for *anything* J&J wants to use it for
just as Techron is used for a ton of unrelated products).

It's  M-A-R-K-E-T-I-N-G Rod.
Pure unadulterated (and very clever) M-A-R-K-E-T-I-N-G .

Which means it means nothing. It means whatever Apple MARKETING wants it to
mean. And they clearly say it means nothing in and of itself.

The fact is that Apple says you must "include an appropriate generic term
after the trademark the first time it appears. Thereafter, the generic term
should appear frequently with the trademark."

This is no different than any other M-A-R-K-E-T-I-N-G trademark much as
Adobe and Ford and Mercury and Techron and Tylenol, etc.

For you to succumb so readily to meaningless M-A-R-K-E-T-I-N-G is a
problem, because M-A-R-K-E-T-I-N-G's job is to feed you manure and your job
is to pay for that manure (while Apple corporate laughs all the way to the
bank).

OK. So we've shown that you must always follow the meaningless trademark
with meaningful generic functionality.

The generic term for what the AirDrop® "software feature" does is called
"ad hoc services":
 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AirDrop
 - The AirDrop® software feature is an ad hoc service.

An ad hoc service is defined here:
 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobile_ad_hoc_network
 - Smart phone ad hoc networks leverage the existing hardware (primarily
Bluetooth and Wi-Fi) in commercially available smart phones to create
peer-to-peer networks without relying on cellular carrier networks,
wireless access points, or traditional network infrastructure. SPANs differ
from traditional hub and spoke networks, such as Wi-Fi Direct, in that they
support multi-hop relays and there is no notion of a group leader so peers
can join and leave at will without destroying the network.

*Clearly Android has ad hoc services.*

In fact, the Android ad hoc services work both inside and outside the
walled garden, whereas the AirDrop® brand ad hoc services only work
*inside* the walled garden.

So clearly, not only does Android have plenty of modern ad hoc services,
but Android had them before Apple ever bought the exclusive rights to use
the word "AirDrop®" as a legal trademark adjective for its limited
primitive brand of ad hoc services.

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#35577

Fromnospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
Date2016-10-31 22:49 -0400
Message-ID<311020162249316922%nospam@nospam.invalid>
In reply to#35576
In article <nv8v7d$1pt6$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Algeria Horan
<algeriahoran@algeria.horan.net> wrote:

> 
> >> We've long ago debunked the airdrop myth.
> > 
> > it's not a myth. it's something android cannot do. period.
> 
> You Apple guys fall for meaningless trademarks every single time!
> AirDrop is just ad hoc services, which were on Android first.

it's much more than 'just ad hoc services' and your repeated trademark
comments is not only grasping at straws but it displays sheer ignorance
about what's involved.

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#35580

FromJolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
Date2016-11-01 04:15 +0000
Message-ID<e7qj7tFu53sU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#35577
nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> In article <nv8v7d$1pt6$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Algeria Horan
> <algeriahoran@algeria.horan.net> wrote:
> 
>> 
>>>> We've long ago debunked the airdrop myth.
>>> 
>>> it's not a myth. it's something android cannot do. period.
>> 
>> You Apple guys fall for meaningless trademarks every single time!
>> AirDrop is just ad hoc services, which were on Android first.
> 
> it's much more than 'just ad hoc services' and your repeated trademark
> comments is not only grasping at straws but it displays sheer ignorance
> about what's involved.

He's readily admitted right here In these groups that he's never used ad
hoc services on Android or otherwise; but that won't stop the dumb ass from
claiming he knows more about it than those of us who *do* actually use such
features routinely. The "Algeria Horan" troll is a complete ignoramus.

-- 
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I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR

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#35581

From"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com>
Date2016-11-01 16:17 +1100
Message-ID<e7qmqtFc4sU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#35580

"Jolly Roger" <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote in message 
news:e7qj7tFu53sU1@mid.individual.net...
> nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>> In article <nv8v7d$1pt6$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Algeria Horan
>> <algeriahoran@algeria.horan.net> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>>> We've long ago debunked the airdrop myth.
>>>>
>>>> it's not a myth. it's something android cannot do. period.
>>>
>>> You Apple guys fall for meaningless trademarks every single time!
>>> AirDrop is just ad hoc services, which were on Android first.
>>
>> it's much more than 'just ad hoc services' and your repeated trademark
>> comments is not only grasping at straws but it displays sheer ignorance
>> about what's involved.
>
> He's readily admitted right here In these groups that he's
> never used ad hoc services on Android or otherwise;

That's overstated. He stupidly uses bluetooth all the time.

> but that won't stop the dumb ass from claiming he knows more about
> it than those of us who *do* actually use such features routinely.

> The "Algeria Horan" troll is a complete ignoramus.

That's not correct either, a very incomplete ignoramus in fact, nothing
viable between the ears and a pathetic excuse for a lying troll too.

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#35588

FromAlgeria Horan <algeriahoran@algeria.horan.net>
Date2016-11-01 15:55 +0000
Message-ID<nvadub$1teu$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#35581
On Tue, 1 Nov 2016 16:17:13 +1100, Rod Speed wrote:

> That's not correct either, a very incomplete ignoramus in fact, nothing
> viable between the ears and a pathetic excuse for a lying troll too.

Number three of the three musketeers has spoken...

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#35592

From"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com>
Date2016-11-02 03:05 +1100
Message-ID<e7rsqcF967pU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#35588

"Algeria Horan" <algeriahoran@algeria.horan.net> wrote in message 
news:nvadub$1teu$1@gioia.aioe.org...
> On Tue, 1 Nov 2016 16:17:13 +1100, Rod Speed wrote:
>
>> That's not correct either, a very incomplete ignoramus in fact, nothing
>> viable between the ears and a pathetic excuse for a lying troll too.

<reams of your desperate attempt to bullshit and lie your
way out of your predicament flushed where it belongs>

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#35603

FromAlgeria Horan <algeriahoran@algeria.horan.net>
Date2016-11-04 00:48 +0000
Message-ID<nvglso$s6p$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#35592
On Wed, 2 Nov 2016 03:05:30 +1100, Rod Speed wrote:

>> On Tue, 1 Nov 2016 16:17:13 +1100, Rod Speed wrote:
>>
>>> That's not correct either, a very incomplete ignoramus in fact, nothing
>>> viable between the ears and a pathetic excuse for a lying troll too.
> 
> <reams of your desperate attempt to bullshit and lie your
> way out of your predicament flushed where it belongs>

Heh heh ... 

In your repeated trolling attempts, you actually responded to your own post
that you spew bullshit!

Please keep your mindless trolling cutting and pasting straight.

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#35605

From"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com>
Date2016-11-04 12:33 +1100
Message-ID<e826r9Fp4tgU2@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#35603
Algeria Horan <algeriahoran@algeria.horan.net> wrote 

<reams of your desperate attempt to bullshit and lie your
way out of your predicament flushed where it belongs>

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#35614

FromJoerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch>
Date2016-11-04 06:56 +0100
Message-ID<nvh7v8$a2n$1@news.albasani.net>
In reply to#35592
Am 01.11.2016 um 17:05 schrieb Rod Speed:
> 
> 
> "Algeria Horan" <algeriahoran@algeria.horan.net> wrote in message 
> news:nvadub$1teu$1@gioia.aioe.org...
>> On Tue, 1 Nov 2016 16:17:13 +1100, Rod Speed wrote:
>>
>>> That's not correct either, a very incomplete ignoramus in fact, nothing
>>> viable between the ears and a pathetic excuse for a lying troll too.
> 
> <reams of your desperate attempt to bullshit and lie your
> way out of your predicament flushed where it belongs>
>  
> 
You are a troll.

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#35587

FromAlgeria Horan <algeriahoran@algeria.horan.net>
Date2016-11-01 15:54 +0000
Message-ID<nvadr2$1t91$6@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#35580
On 1 Nov 2016 04:15:57 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:

> He's readily admitted right here In these groups that he's never used ad
> hoc services on Android or otherwise; but that won't stop the dumb ass from
> claiming he knows more about it than those of us who *do* actually use such
> features routinely. The "Algeria Horan" troll is a complete ignoramus.

Number two of the three musketeers has spoken...

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#35591

From"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com>
Date2016-11-02 03:05 +1100
Message-ID<e7rspnF965fU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#35587

"Algeria Horan" <algeriahoran@algeria.horan.net> wrote in message 
news:nvadr2$1t91$6@gioia.aioe.org...
> On 1 Nov 2016 04:15:57 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:
>
>> He's readily admitted right here In these groups that he's never used ad
>> hoc services on Android or otherwise; but that won't stop the dumb ass 
>> from
>> claiming he knows more about it than those of us who *do* actually use 
>> such
>> features routinely. The "Algeria Horan" troll is a complete ignoramus.

<reams of your desperate attempt to bullshit and lie your
way out of your predicament flushed where it belongs>

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#35604

FromAlgeria Horan <algeriahoran@algeria.horan.net>
Date2016-11-04 00:48 +0000
Message-ID<nvglsp$s6p$2@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#35591
On Wed, 2 Nov 2016 03:05:09 +1100, Rod Speed wrote:

>> On 1 Nov 2016 04:15:57 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:
>>
>>> He's readily admitted right here In these groups that he's never used ad
>>> hoc services on Android or otherwise; but that won't stop the dumb ass 
>>> from
>>> claiming he knows more about it than those of us who *do* actually use 
>>> such
>>> features routinely. The "Algeria Horan" troll is a complete ignoramus.
> 
> <reams of your desperate attempt to bullshit and lie your
> way out of your predicament flushed where it belongs>

Heh heh ... 

Yet again you failed in the simplest of tasks, which is to keep your
trolling cutting and pasting straight.

In this case, your cut-and-paste troll responded to the Jolly Troll...

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#35606

From"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com>
Date2016-11-04 12:33 +1100
Message-ID<e826s8Fp4ufU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#35604
Algeria Horan <algeriahoran@algeria.horan.net> wrote 

<reams of your desperate attempt to bullshit and lie your
way out of your predicament flushed where it belongs>

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#35586

FromAlgeria Horan <algeriahoran@algeria.horan.net>
Date2016-11-01 15:54 +0000
Message-ID<nvadr1$1t91$5@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#35577
On Mon, 31 Oct 2016 22:49:31 -0400, nospam wrote:

>> You Apple guys fall for meaningless trademarks every single time!
>> AirDrop is just ad hoc services, which were on Android first.
> 
> it's much more than 'just ad hoc services' and your repeated trademark
> comments is not only grasping at straws but it displays sheer ignorance
> about what's involved.

Number one of the three musketeers has spoken... 

We've already long ago debunked your AirDrop claims, and nobody came to your
rescue.

Just the fact you *call* it AirDrop means you don't have a clue what you're
talking about.

The word AirDrop is an utterly meaningless word, just like "Techron" is
utterly meaningless, or "Vibram" is utterly meaningless. It's just a
trademark. Apple bought it. They can use the word for anything they want.

They can use AirDrop to put on sneakers for heaven's sake.
And yet, you persist in calling basic ad hoc services by a meaningless word.

Fact is, you can't find *anything* that iOS can do that Android doesn't
already do (all by its itty bitty self), while I have listed numerous times
plenty that Android does that iOS can't hope to do.

You can't even load an advanced modern launcher, for heaven's sake, to
replace your primitive one-button-mouse launcher, for example.

iOS is for people who "just give up".

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