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  Another advantage of removable batteries ... tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2016-10-02 18:36 -0400
    Re: Another advantage of removable batteries ... nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-02 18:48 -0400
      Re: Another advantage of removable batteries ... tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2016-10-02 23:44 -0400
        Re: Another advantage of removable batteries ... nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-03 07:26 -0400
          Re: Another advantage of removable batteries ... tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2016-10-03 14:22 -0400
          Re: Another advantage of removable batteries ... tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2016-10-03 14:51 -0400
            Re: Another advantage of removable batteries ... nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-03 15:32 -0400
              Re: Another advantage of removable batteries ... tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2016-10-04 02:37 -0400
        Re: Another advantage of removable batteries ... Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2016-10-03 19:08 +0000
          Re: Another advantage of removable batteries ... tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2016-10-04 03:06 -0400
            Re: Another advantage of removable batteries ... nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-04 10:29 -0400
              Re: Another advantage of removable batteries ... tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2016-10-04 13:35 -0400
                Re: Another advantage of removable batteries ... "Kerr Mudd-John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2016-10-05 13:53 +0100
                  Re: Another advantage of removable batteries ... tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2016-10-05 23:53 -0400
    Re: Another advantage of removable batteries ... Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2016-10-03 10:12 +0100
      Re: Another advantage of removable batteries ... tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2016-10-03 14:26 -0400
    Re: Another advantage of removable batteries ... XS11E <xs11eNO@SPAMyahoo.com> - 2016-10-03 15:02 -0700
      Re: Another advantage of removable batteries ... tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2016-10-04 03:16 -0400
        Re: Another advantage of removable batteries ... AL <234nomail186@invalid.com> - 2016-10-04 10:24 -0700
          Re: Another advantage of removable batteries ... nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-04 13:48 -0400
            Re: Another advantage of removable batteries ... AL <234nomail186@invalid.com> - 2016-10-04 12:26 -0700
              Re: Another advantage of removable batteries ... nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-04 22:15 -0400
                Re: Another advantage of removable batteries ... AL <234nomail186@invalid.com> - 2016-10-04 22:35 -0700
                  Re: Another advantage of removable batteries ... nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-06 20:15 -0400
            Re: Another advantage of removable batteries ... David Lesher <wb8foz@panix.com> - 2016-11-27 19:52 +0000
              Re: Another advantage of removable batteries ... nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-11-27 14:53 -0500
                Re: Another advantage of removable batteries ... David Lesher <wb8foz@panix.com> - 2016-11-29 16:44 +0000
                  Re: Another advantage of removable batteries ... nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-11-29 12:23 -0500
          Re: Another advantage of removable batteries ... Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2016-10-04 18:50 +0000
            Re: Another advantage of removable batteries ... AL <234nomail186@invalid.com> - 2016-10-04 16:50 -0700
      Re: Another advantage of removable batteries ... Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2016-10-04 19:11 +0100

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#35023

On 10/4/2016 10:48 AM, nospam wrote:
> AL <234nomail186@invalid.com>> wrote:

>> Yup. Let's hope the earphone jack doesn't go away anytime soon.
>
> kick and scream all you want but the 3.5mm analog jack is going away,

See tlvp, how easily I can summon the iSpam crowd...

> to be replaced with a digital version that offers greater reliability,
> higher quality audio, noise cancellation and much, much more.

Not everyone agrees. A Google search finds many dissenters.

BTW Some folks actually drilled holes in their new iPhones trying to get 
the jack back. Guess those were the real desperate ones.

> it can't happen soon enough.

That would be IYO of course.

> it's *already* gone on several android phones, including the moto z,
> all of which were *before* apple released the iphone 7.

That's what I've always liked about the Android world....Choice.

> the usb-c audio spec was also just released this past week.

Do you suppose the iPhone will ever have a USB-C connector?

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#35028

In article <nt0vp4$plu$1@dont-email.me>, AL <234nomail186@invalid.com>
wrote:

> 
> >> Yup. Let's hope the earphone jack doesn't go away anytime soon.
> >
> > kick and scream all you want but the 3.5mm analog jack is going away,
> 
> See tlvp, how easily I can summon the iSpam crowd...

see how easily you show yourself to be a troll.

> > to be replaced with a digital version that offers greater reliability,
> > higher quality audio, noise cancellation and much, much more.
> 
> Not everyone agrees. A Google search finds many dissenters.

a google search finds whatever you want. it'll even tell you the earth
is flat and the moon landing was faked.

it boils down to people hate change. 

there will always be those who want to hold technology back and remain
in the past. fortunately, they're a small minority. 

over thirty *years* after the cd debuted, there are still those who
insist on using vinyl records. 

people complained when broadcast tv went digital and they had to buy
new tvs or use clumsy adapters, but when they saw just how much better
hdtv was, they quickly shut up. 

even cheap hdtvs these days blow away those old crt tvs, where 25" was
considered to be 'big'.

technology involves continual change. 

> BTW Some folks actually drilled holes in their new iPhones trying to get 
> the jack back. Guess those were the real desperate ones.

some folks are stupid for believing what was obviously a satire video.
fortunately, very few people thought it was true.

> > it can't happen soon enough.
> 
> That would be IYO of course.

absolutely, along with the usb implementors forum, who just released
the usb-c audio spec, intel, apple, motorola, oppo and many others. i'm
in incredibly good industry-wide company.

> > it's *already* gone on several android phones, including the moto z,
> > all of which were *before* apple released the iphone 7.
> 
> That's what I've always liked about the Android world....Choice.

it won't be long until most android phones have digital audio jacks.

there will probably be a few that don't, but they won't be the flagship
phones.

transitions are always a pain, but once it's done, people will be
thrilled about the numerous advantages of a digital audio jack.

> > the usb-c audio spec was also just released this past week.
> 
> Do you suppose the iPhone will ever have a USB-C connector?

nope. usb-c is thicker than lightning and does less, so there's no
point in that. there are adapters if you really need one.

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#35031

On 10/4/2016 7:15 PM, nospam wrote:
> In article <nt0vp4$plu$1@dont-email.me>, AL
> <234nomail186@invalid.com> wrote:

> see how easily you show yourself to be a troll.

See how easily I can summon you to feed me.

>>> to be replaced with a digital version that offers greater
>>> reliability,

>>> higher quality audio,

Nope. It makes no difference whether the analog signal travels a 3 foot
cord or a hair's width micro trace. The audio quality depends on the
equipment used, not the length of the analog wire.

>>> noise cancellation

Wired headphones with noise cancellation abound. And Bluetooth too.
Nothing new there. But IMO charging yet another device is a PITA.

>>> and much, much more.

And much(1) much(2) more what?

> there will always be those who want to hold technology back and
> remain in the past.

No one holds technology back. Unless you count not buying it.

> over thirty *years* after the cd debuted, there are still those who
> insist on using vinyl records.

Yep. My local Barnes & Noble sells new 33 rpm records. Choice is great.

> it won't be long until most android phones have digital audio jacks.

You have crystal balls now? The market will decide.

> people will be
> thrilled about the numerous advantages of a digital audio jack.

Hope it takes wired headphones that don't need a charge.

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#35068

In article <nt23dp$ijd$1@dont-email.me>, AL <234nomail186@invalid.com>
wrote:

> 
> >>> to be replaced with a digital version that offers greater
> >>> reliability,
> 
> >>> higher quality audio,
> 
> Nope. It makes no difference whether the analog signal travels a 3 foot
> cord or a hair's width micro trace. The audio quality depends on the
> equipment used, not the length of the analog wire.

nobody said anything about length. you're confused.

the major advantage is that headphones are no longer limited to the dac
in the device. they can use any dac they want.

the better headphones will use higher end dacs while cheaper headphones
will use cheap dacs. giving the user a *much* wider choice of options.

even audiophiles who think there's an advantage to high bitrate audio
can get headphones with appropriate dacs.

> >>> noise cancellation
> 
> Wired headphones with noise cancellation abound. And Bluetooth too.
> Nothing new there.

nope. quite a lot new there.

existing noise canceling headphones have their own noise canceling
circuitry, making them relatively expensive.

with a digital link, noise cancelation can entirely be done using the
phone's existing noise cancelation hardware (it already does it for
phone calls), which means that noise-canceling headphones can be *less*
expensive than they are now.

yet another win for consumers.

furthermore, the processor in a phone is far more capable than anything
you'd find in headphones meaning the noise cancelation could be even
more effective than it is now *and* be cheaper.

> But IMO charging yet another device is a PITA.

who said anything about charging?

wired headphones don't need to be charged.

you're very confused.

> >>> and much, much more.
> 
> And much(1) much(2) more what?

more benefits. do try to keep up.

among the numerous benefits include biometric sensors. the ear is a
perfect place to monitor pulse, body temp and many other things,
particularly for those not interested in wearing fitness bands or
smartwatches. 

> > there will always be those who want to hold technology back and
> > remain in the past.
> 
> No one holds technology back. Unless you count not buying it.

those that complain about keeping a 100+ year old interface are doing
exactly that.

> > over thirty *years* after the cd debuted, there are still those who
> > insist on using vinyl records.
> 
> Yep. My local Barnes & Noble sells new 33 rpm records. Choice is great.

they don't sell very many, my local barnes&noble closed and good luck
finding a record player.

> > it won't be long until most android phones have digital audio jacks.
> 
> You have crystal balls now? The market will decide.

it's quite obvious in what direction the market is going.

> > people will be
> > thrilled about the numerous advantages of a digital audio jack.
> 
> Hope it takes wired headphones that don't need a charge.

why would wired headphones need a charge? it wouldn't.

you're very confused and don't understand the industry. no surprise
there.

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#36298

nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> writes:

>In article <nt0oj6$uk8$1@dont-email.me>, AL <234nomail186@invalid.com>
>wrote:

>> 
>> Yup. Let's hope the earphone jack doesn't go away anytime soon.

>kick and scream all you want but the 3.5mm analog jack is going away,
>to be replaced with a digital version that offers greater reliability, 
>higher quality audio, noise cancellation and much, much more. it can't
>happen soon enough.

And DRM.... Gotta have that.

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& no one will talk to a host that's close..........................
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#36299

In article <o1fdik$bik$2@reader2.panix.com>, David Lesher
<wb8foz@panix.com> wrote:

> >> Yup. Let's hope the earphone jack doesn't go away anytime soon.
> 
> >kick and scream all you want but the 3.5mm analog jack is going away,
> >to be replaced with a digital version that offers greater reliability, 
> >higher quality audio, noise cancellation and much, much more. it can't
> >happen soon enough.
> 
> And DRM.... Gotta have that.

there is no drm.

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#36333

nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> writes:

>In article <o1fdik$bik$2@reader2.panix.com>, David Lesher
><wb8foz@panix.com> wrote:

>> >> Yup. Let's hope the earphone jack doesn't go away anytime soon.
>> 
>> >kick and scream all you want but the 3.5mm analog jack is going away,
>> >to be replaced with a digital version that offers greater reliability, 
>> >higher quality audio, noise cancellation and much, much more. it can't
>> >happen soon enough.
>> 
>> And DRM.... Gotta have that.

>there is no drm.

You miss the point; an earphone jack is analog, defeating DRM.

-- 
A host is a host from coast to coast.................wb8foz@nrk.com
& no one will talk to a host that's close..........................
Unless the host (that isn't close).........................pob 1433
is busy, hung or dead....................................20915-1433

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#36336

In article <o1kb96$oq5$1@reader2.panix.com>, David Lesher
<wb8foz@panix.com> wrote:

> 
> >> >> Yup. Let's hope the earphone jack doesn't go away anytime soon.
> >> 
> >> >kick and scream all you want but the 3.5mm analog jack is going away,
> >> >to be replaced with a digital version that offers greater reliability, 
> >> >higher quality audio, noise cancellation and much, much more. it can't
> >> >happen soon enough.
> >> 
> >> And DRM.... Gotta have that.
> 
> >there is no drm.
> 
> You miss the point; an earphone jack is analog, defeating DRM.

*you* miss the point. there is no drm to defeat.

and if there was drm content, it would never make it to the analog
headphone jack in the first place. back in the day of drm'ed music,
such content didn't play on unauthorized devices, all of which had
*analog* headphone jacks.

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#35022

AL <234nomail186@invalid.com> wrote:
> On 10/4/2016 12:16 AM, tlvp wrote:
> 
>> I don't think I'd risk an inadvertent data wipe or factory reset just so I
>> can avoid popping the back so as to remove/replace the battery :-) .
> 
> FWIW I liked my old phones with the pop out batteries. Though I never 
> had to replace a defective battery I was once able to upgrade to a 
> larger battery on a phone with poor battery life.
> 
>> But we all have our own unique 'drothers -- that one's mine. YMMV.
> 
> Yup. Let's hope the earphone jack doesn't go away anytime soon.

Given the new pixel phones from Google have them, you should be ok for a
while.

> (Get ready to hear the whines from the iSpam crowd... ;)

> 

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#35025

On 10/4/2016 11:50 AM, Chris wrote:
> AL <234nomail186@invalid.com> wrote:

>> Let's hope the earphone jack doesn't go away anytime soon.
>
> Given the new pixel phones from Google have them, you should be ok for a
> while.

If the new Pixels have no SD card slot as the reviews I've read so far 
say, I'll probably look elsewhere even if they do have a headphone jack.

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#35021

XS11E wrote:

> Many phones (or possibly all of 'em?) allow a 'virtual battery pull'

This netbook (Acer E3-112) has a supposedly non-removable battery, it 
too has a "battery reset" button concealed underneath.

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